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I found it quite nice to write. 00:22:06 unreadable. 00:22:16 For a C programmer, perhaps, but not for a lisper. 00:22:53 well I'd consider growing into being both and I really would hate being on the hook to maintain that piece of code 00:23:11 Ok, there are strange parentheses like { and [, and they're all misplaced, and there are strange commas and semicolons, but otherwise, it's rather like lisp. 00:23:15 but well I'd better go have a beer 00:23:22 anyone in San Francisco on #lisp? ;) 00:23:26 -!- Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27:46 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:28:03 vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-240.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:05 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28:22 dim, i'm in the bay 00:28:27 not in SF though 00:28:53 *sykopomp* is living on Treasure Island, which is technically SF :> 00:29:13 pjb: Really needs to learn how to use whitespace. 00:29:36 francisl [~anonymous@69.157.142.155] has joined #lisp 00:30:27 Zhivago: don't you use a non-proportional font to read code? 00:31:27 I don't see what that has to do with leavingallofthespacesout ... 00:31:57 There's already a lot of space after the commas and the dots, in a non-proportional font. 00:32:07 So it's leaving,all,the,spaces,out. 00:32:26 instead of the nicer lisp: leaving all the spaces out. 00:32:53 That depends on the font. Anyhow, that's significantly horrible to read. 00:33:31 Not for me. I find the spaces (and newlines before #\}) to be horrible to read. 00:33:43 jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has joined #lisp 00:34:06 You don't put spaces between #\( and #\+ in lisp, so why should you put spaces around #\+ in C? 00:35:08 dim: there's at least one other lisper in here that lives in SFO 00:38:24 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:41:11 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: cyphase.com] 00:41:41 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:41:59 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-69-240.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 00:43:52 Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:46:13 neoesque [~neoesque@122-116-18-21.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:48:14 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:01 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-134-241.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:49:17 In stumpwm, Both (run-or-raise "opera" `(:class "Opera")) and (run-or-raise "emacs" '(:class "Emacs")) will leave "csh" in memory, it is too bad ?! 00:49:34 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:56 In which memory? 00:50:12 Do you mean as a running process? 00:50:45 besides Opera process, there is a corresponding csh process 00:50:57 same to emacs 00:51:31 When emacs opera terminates does the csh stick around? 00:52:34 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 00:53:34 seems yes 00:54:25 no, `/bin/csh -c` exits 00:54:59 Is the process a zombie? 00:55:33 -!- Fare [~fare@cpe-69-203-115-132.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:55:46 try (run-or-raise "exec opera") or "opera &" 00:56:44 "exec" is most likely what you want 00:57:37 it sounds like r-o-r sends its argument to $SHELL .. I use exec in some of my ~/bin/*.sh scripts to avoid exactly what you're describing 00:57:43 (run-or-raise "exec opera") is illegal 00:58:01 in stumpwm 00:58:53 Check to see if the csh state is Z. 00:59:07 It might just be that stumpwm isn't collecting the exit code. 00:59:56 state is pause 01:01:03 multiple args perhaps? "exec" "opera" 01:01:29 You could attach to the csh process with a debugger and find out what it is doing -- that might give a clue. 01:01:30 maybe csh doesn't know "exec" 01:02:33 i donot know where i ever set *shell-program* ? 01:02:44 seems odd that it indirects execution through a shell in the first place 01:02:46 sykopomp: well doesn't seem to be currently reading the chan, too bad 01:05:55 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B1A3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 01:06:41 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:06:50 it is csh problem, (setf *shell-program* "/bin/sh") fix it ! 01:07:33 dim: I assume you're around here, too? 01:07:49 *sykopomp* wonders if there's a #lisp-approved lisp meetup in SFO. 01:08:03 how bizarre 01:11:14 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B1A3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:04 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 01:14:18 normanrichards 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known as pjb 10:34:27 lukas_ [~lukas@170.89.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 10:34:48 pjb: ok, I was reading the emacs' docs 10:35:18 pnpuff-: just loading your lisp code in the cl implementation connected to slime, allows you to use M-. in slime-mode to find the definition of the symbols. 10:35:40 With C-h k M-. in slime-mode and in c-mode, you can see they're bound to different commands. 10:36:31 M-. uses etags or not? 10:36:58 M-. uses whatever command it is bound to. 10:37:07 With C-h k M-. in slime-mode and in c-mode, you can see they're bound to different commands. 10:37:22 ok ... so I've created a TAGS file 10:37:31 is easy and clean to use 10:37:42 not in #lisp, not with slime. 10:37:59 -!- asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:39:20 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:40:11 josemanuel [~josemanue@141.207.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 10:40:39 pjb: ok.. so now I've to bind m-. to find-tag 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Not a good move for lisp, but so be it. 10:41:29 Have fun, try to tag a file containing: (defstruct point x y) and to type (point-x M-. 10:41:38 lukas_ [~lukas@170.89.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 10:43:28 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:51:43 -!- pnpuff- [~v@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: bye] 10:54:28 Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B0ED2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 10:55:21 -!- lukas_ [~lukas@170.89.broadband7.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55:50 -!- przl_ [~przlrkt@p5B298DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55:55 lukas_ [~lukas@170.89.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 10:58:52 nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:02 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 10:59:58 asedeno [~asedeno@66.102.14.16] has joined #lisp 11:02:05 przl [~przlrkt@p5B298DB0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:02:07 sdemarre 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I'd try to gather info on what's triggering that failure 13:10:43 memory allocation triggers it 13:12:27 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:12:42 jd__: I don't know what ldb is, but there are profiling tools you can use with SBCL. 13:13:25 ffilozov: ldb seems to be the low level lisp debugger of sbcl, launched when it explodes 13:13:36 stassats: I could have guessed that indeed :) 13:14:24 jd__: and that particular allocation is not necessary the one that caused exhaustion 13:14:54 and profiling would only show allocations, not memory which was retained 13:15:23 something which allocates a lot, but everything is garbage collected, will show at the top but won't be the culprit 13:15:37 nothing like valgrind for Lisp? :) 13:16:25 jd__: you don't need it 13:16:30 ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has joined #lisp 13:17:02 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-56-105.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 13:17:18 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 13:17:21 stassats: You might be able to see some particular structures accumulating and not being garbage collected. 13:17:47 not in the profiler 13:17:52 well, I need something to trace what's been allocated and (not) freed, whatever is it 13:18:00 ROOM will show you allocated objects 13:19:22 stassats: didn't know that function, thanks that might help! 13:20:51 -!- HerrBlume [~HerrBlume@ip-109-43-0-48.web.vodafone.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:21:08 AndChat66969 [~HerrBlume@ip-109-43-0-48.web.vodafone.de] has joined #lisp 13:22:40 -!- guyal [~anonymous@108.235.117.64] has quit [Quit: The Sleeper has Aquitten] 13:24:49 -!- agumonkey [~agu@245.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:25 stassats: I briefly looked at the :alloc profiling from SBCL. Seems like it's showing the functionas that did the most allocation, but not which particular types of structures were allocated. Is that correct? 13:27:09 just the amount allocated 13:34:02 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:41:16 agumonkey [~agu@245.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:55 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 13:47:28 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:49:09 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:50:35 zickzackv [~faot@g225059171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:54:52 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-067-127.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:06 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:02 Barkin [~bb_mm@92.62.170.193] has joined #lisp 13:58:40 hi 13:58:54 iam male 32 is any one there 13:58:55 ? 13:59:11 nobody here 13:59:18 why? 14:00:10 hello 14:00:23 c a n u h e a r m e 14:00:26 Barkin: Go away. 14:00:27 go away 14:00:40 why is there an explosion 14:00:45 no please 14:00:46 no 14:00:50 please 14:01:02 what happens 14:01:07 hey please tell me 14:01:09 hello 14:01:15 can u hear me 14:01:18 please 14:01:20 hey 14:01:43 please 14:01:46 hello 14:01:47 jangle [~jimmy1984@198.151.8.4] has joined #lisp 14:01:51 hi 14:01:54 hello 14:01:56 hi 14:01:58 hello 14:02:00 hi 14:02:02 hello 14:02:04 hi 14:02:06 hello 14:02:08 hi 14:02:09 -!- granata_ [~aleksei@sa-84-52-31-6.saturn.infonet.ee] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:02:14 hello 14:02:16 hi 14:02:18 hello 14:02:19 hi 14:02:21 hello 14:02:23 hi 14:02:27 hey 14:02:29 hello 14:02:31 what kind of stupidity is this? 14:02:32 please 14:02:36 hi 14:02:41 please talk to mr 14:02:50 please only 1 min 14:02:53 hi 14:02:56 hello 14:02:58 please 14:03:00 hi 14:03:03 hello 14:03:05 please 14:03:07 hi 14:03:09 hello 14:03:12 please 14:03:14 hi 14:03:18 hello 14:03:20 please 14:03:22 hi 14:03:28 please 14:03:29 hi 14:03:31 hi 14:03:33 hi 14:03:35 hi 14:03:36 hi 14:03:37 hi 14:03:38 hi 14:03:39 hi 14:03:40 hi 14:03:41 hi 14:03:42 hi 14:03:42 hi 14:03:43 hi 14:03:44 fascinating 14:03:44 hi 14:03:45 hi 14:03:54 only talk to me 1 min 14:04:05 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has left #lisp 14:04:19 -!- davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:04:39 -!- Barkin [~bb_mm@92.62.170.193] has left #lisp 14:04:48 he seemed friendly 14:06:11 barkin' mad 14:12:20 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 14:13:15 oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:13:59 -!- nialo [nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:14:26 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:18:37 gadmyth [8ccec9b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.206.201.182] has joined #lisp 14:18:47 -!- gadmyth [8ccec9b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.140.206.201.182] has left #lisp 14:22:05 granata [~aleksei@89-235-228-128.saturn.infonet.ee] has joined #lisp 14:25:23 -!- ffilozov [~user@119.red-80-28-107.adsl.static.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:26:30 but.... he just wanted to talk :-) 14:27:57 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@37.142.174.210] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:31:24 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:34:13 -!- schoppenhauer [~quassel@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:30 naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has joined #lisp 14:46:44 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:49 ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has joined #lisp 14:47:42 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:53:38 -!- CrazyEddy [~Alcippe@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Quit: .] 14:53:57 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:54:42 CrazyEddy [~bucksaw@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 14:55:29 -!- davorb-cellphone [~davorb-ce@194.47.245.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:52 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:58:18 lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has joined #lisp 14:58:47 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@218.22.21.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:13 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:59:33 -!- gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:59:49 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:13 gadjo [~gggg@109.102.72.188] has joined #lisp 15:00:53 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:03:11 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:30 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8691fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I am using closure-html and cxml-stp! The html has blocks like http://paste.lisp.org/display/138123. My current approach is using stp:do-recursively with an increasing list of when clauses... The code become to be quite ugly and monolitic! Any suggestion? 15:54:45 ckoch786_ [~quassel@adsl-75-22-101-128.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:43 arademaker: In my application I load the HTML using Closure-HTML into a DOM tree and then use Xpath to manipulate it 15:57:29 loke 15:57:49 loke: you have any code available so I can have an example? 15:57:59 -!- zickzackv [~faot@g225059171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:58:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-101.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 15:58:36 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-84-44-208-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:58:54 arademaker: Sure. Here's my code. This function processes all IMG tags in the HTML document: https://github.com/lokedhs/gnus-outlook-style/blob/master/format-html-email/format.lisp#L245 16:00:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@156-246.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:00:33 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8691fe.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:01:35 Oddity [~Oddity@d154-20-70-67.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:41 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@d154-20-70-67.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:01:41 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 16:02:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:51 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@122-116-18-21.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 16:04:04 Xach: are there plans that quickutils will be download- and installable with quicklisp? 16:04:53 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.57.184] has joined #lisp 16:07:08 Greetings! 16:07:35 thanks loke! I will see. 16:10:01 arademaker: Good luck 16:11:59 Are there something like status line in stumpwm for displaying stuff like CPU load or used memory amount? I've searched through all docs and I can't find such thing. Reading and understanding all the code will take lots of time. Can someone give me any pointers? 16:13:29 -!- joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:58 joe9 [~user@ip70-179-153-227.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:22 hitecnologys: You mean CPU and memory stats of a running image? 16:15:23 Artheist [~quassel@modemcable079.49-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:16:18 ffilozov: nope, stats from /proc/blah/blah. 16:17:10 (or /sys/blah/blah) 16:17:15 hitecnologys: cpu.lisp and mem.lisp in contrib/ 16:17:29 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 16:19:54 Bike: oh, there are lots of nice stuff in contrib. 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23:30:28 I tried (directory "*") but it mysteriously filters the results 23:31:15 I am trying sb-unix:unix-opendir ... but I get "system-area-pointers" which are still opaque to me. 23:32:22 mjb9Mike, Use CL-FAD? 23:32:30 http://weitz.de/cl-fad/#list-directory 23:33:21 (concatenate 'list (directory "*.*") (directory "*") (directory "*/")) 23:33:27 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:33:32 Shinmera_ [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 23:33:52 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:00 My biggest issue with lisp has never been the parentheses.. but the poor system access and integration. 23:34:17 I like that: (concatenate 'list (directory "*.*") (directory "*") (directory "*/")) .. in that it seems to work. 23:34:24 Why *.* I have no clue. 23:34:37 if only it was designed with POSIX in mind, eh 23:34:52 mjb9Mike: in CL pathnames, the name and the type of the file are distinguished. 23:35:07 If only non POSIX systems still existed 23:35:11 I would have never thought of *.* (because I'm on a unix system) 23:35:23 mjb9Mike: no, you're on a lisp machine. 23:35:26 In unix... the file extensions have nothing to do with the file type. 23:35:29 Each CL implementat is a lisp machine. 23:35:33 +ion 23:35:38 :) 23:35:43 Maybe taht's my problem (I'm on a lisp machine) 23:36:04 mjb9Mike: on the other hand, it'd be a good idea to write a CL implementation that would be a unix program. 23:36:08 .. Oh, and the poor documentation. 23:36:22 mjb9Mike: or rather, you don't know how to find it. 23:36:49 Exactly. And if I can't find it... then it must not be that great. 23:37:06 You can tell I'm a bit frustrated. 23:37:28 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:37:30 mjb9Mike: can't you use google? 23:37:38 sbcl documentation gives nice links. 23:37:46 I thought I could... but then I' on a lisp machine! 23:38:37 M-x browse-url RET http://www.google.com/search?q=sbcl+documentation RET works nicely on the emacs lisp machine too. 23:38:49 I was looking at the source and there's a lot of real-name and type junk... when I want a simple opendir/readdir/closedir. 23:39:11 Again, this is not a unix system, this is a lisp machine system. 23:39:25 You just use DIRECTORY. 23:39:41 Is there a unix implementation that's a little closer to UNIX than others? I'm a unix nerd... 23:39:48 gotta make it all platform/filesystem portable somehow. 23:39:56 mjb9Mike: none. I'd be a good idea to write one. 23:40:03 mjb9Mike: there's iolib. 23:40:17 -!- oleo [~oleo@xdsl-87-79-197-168.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:19 If the DIRECTORY documentation said... this is how you read a directory... then I would not have to ask here. 23:40:22 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 23:40:34 I don't want a lisp system that's so portable that I can't use it. 23:40:38 clhs directory 23:40:38 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_dir.htm 23:40:52 What more do you need??? 23:41:18 mjb9Mike: it'd be a good idea to write a lisp system that would cater to the precise needs of unix users. 23:41:19 The concept of "truenames" is baffeling to me (though it was a good early sfi fi story) 23:41:20 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 23:42:10 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-35-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:14 Ok.. looking at http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/f_dir.htm ... I don't see where it says.. directory reads some entries in the directory, but not others... unless you ask it to do others and concatenate them... did I miss it there? 23:42:23 fridim__ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has joined #lisp 23:42:37 Determines which, if any, files that are present in the file system have names matching pathspec, and returns a fresh list of pathnames corresponding to the truenames of those files. 23:42:45 The first sentence of the description. 23:43:00 Don't you understand the meaning of the verb "to match"? 23:43:18 I guess I really should try to figure out what a pathspec is... 23:43:30 That'd be a good idea too. 23:44:38 A pathname has six components: a ``host,'' a ``device,'' a ``directory,'' a ``name,'' a ``type,'' and a ``version.'' 23:44:51 but where does it say how it maps a string into a pathname? 23:45:07 "implementation dependent" 23:45:27 I see "type" and I think dir/link/dev etc.. not *.dat 23:45:29 as it would have to be to support multiple types of pathnames 23:45:53 think MacOS classic four character invisible file types too 23:46:02 Let the "pathnames" be handled by the system.. no need to overcomplicate things. 23:46:12 mjb9Mike: in the chapter 19, for logical pathnames. 23:46:17 you can certainly get by without ever touching logical pathnames 23:46:36 if you want them, they're there 23:46:58 mapping a string such as "HOST:DIR1;DIR2;FILE.TYPE" to a logical pathname is perfectly specified. 23:47:10 mjb9Mike: That isn't possible because the cases can be ambiguous between systems, so it wouldn't be deterministic. 23:47:43 there's no way to safely determine what a string exactly means in terms of a pathname with the different systems in mind that CL was built for. 23:48:19 mjb9Mike: so do you write "/home/mjb/lisp/mypgm.lisp" or do you write "C:\\USERS\\MJB\\LISP\\MYPGM.LSP" ? 23:48:25 if you want to drop the baggage and make it os specific, write a wrapper library for it. 23:48:55 Well I sort of depends on what system your running your lisp on... 23:49:01 mjb9Mike: the solution is to write "USERS:MJB;LISP;MY-PGM.LISP" and let the system translate to physical pathnames for you. 23:49:02 MYPGM.LISP :)))) 23:49:44 Quadrescence: yes, abreviations are idiosyncratic, and should be avoided. 23:50:30 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@p5B2B0ED2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:14 Is it just me.. or is the HyperSpec just too much of a political document? 23:51:47 It is a political document. I don't know if it is too much. I find that it underspecifies the language too much to my taste. 23:52:12 It is a contract, that's for sure. 23:52:32 Then, I guess my complaint comes down to ... why, on UNIX, would they use *.XXX as a type? That is an error. 23:52:34 we don't have the same definition of politics. 23:52:50 mjb9Mike: it's the closest cross-platform mapping. 23:53:07 Now that the world is unixy enough, the decision would likely be different. 23:53:08 mjb9Mike: (make-pathname :name :wild :type "XXX" :case :local) 23:53:14 mjb9Mike: otherwise I don't understand what you mean. 23:53:46 again, nothing prevents you to write a CL implementation targetting unix. 23:53:50 UNIX has a lot of the same problems... too many versions, and too many interested parties negotiating. That's probably why Windows is still kicking ass. 23:54:05 You can provide a UNIX package with unix:opendir, unix:readdir, unix:closedir. 23:54:14 I imagine you'd be even less pleased if CL had standardised on VMS pathnames. 23:54:16 Some implementations have a POSIX package, or similar. 23:54:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@mobile-166-147-083-194.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:41 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012bd7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:43 Oh, ya... I could do it all myself. ... well, I did write most of a lisp interpreter in .... maybe 1990. 23:55:13 VMS... you see the version in the paths! 23:55:31 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has commenced electric sheep tracking protocol.] 23:55:52 mjb9Mike: Try: #+clisp (let ((dir (linux:opendir "/tmp/"))) (unwind-protect (loop for entry = (linux:readdir dir) while entry collect entry) (linux:closedir dir))) 23:56:04 I don't want LISP to standardize for all systems everywhere... provide a URL... and if it's UNIX-FILESYSTEM:* then... do that. 23:56:28 mjb9Mike: just like in CL: #P"USERS:MJB;LISP;MYPGM.LISP.42" #P"USERS:MJB;LISP;MYPGM.LISP.NEWEST" 23:56:38 -!- gjord [~gjord@ool-18babf32.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:40 dcguru [~chatzilla@66.129.60.130] has joined #lisp 23:56:43 (or, I mean... strip the UNIX-FILESYSTEM: and do "*" on the syste. 23:56:54 You're starting to become a bore. 23:57:08 The standard's fixed, deal with it 23:57:15 You are getting to know me now. 23:57:30 (I did mention that I was venting a little) 23:57:40 mjb9Mike: there are a couple libraries that bypass the standard more or less completely and only provide straight unixy semantics 23:57:41 Thanks for the help. 23:57:48 I already mentionned iolib 23:57:57 and somebody mentionned cl-fad. 23:58:32 (directory "*.*") is what I needed... I just needed a lispy view of the world so I could see it. 23:59:13 mjb9Mike: my advice is not to try to use cl:directory to process random unix files. 23:59:51 For one thing, you won't get conforming results. For another you probably won't get expected results.