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I print a variable and i got in return ("string_content") instead of "string_content" what's goin on? 00:25:30 it's a list 00:26:05 so instead of concat everything i should add another element ? 00:26:35 and then concat the list ? 00:29:14 -!- kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:29:33 kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 00:30:26 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:35:07 antonv [5d7d2a74@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.116] has joined #lisp 00:37:57 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-181-88.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:38:13 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-172-219.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:42:25 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@209.162.10.252] has joined #lisp 00:43:04 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:45:12 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:23 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[~yonaguska@71.232.33.49] has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:11 -!- pierpa``` [~user@host35-233-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07:28 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:12 Xach: im simply trying to get a string from a list 01:08:23 im using elisp 01:08:47 elisp is off-topic, but that still sounds like a trivial matter 01:08:53 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-222-53-233.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:08 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:26 -!- antgreen [~green@207.112.99.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:31 stassats: well i think concatenate is what i need but the function is not in elisp from what i can see 01:10:07 isn't there "concat" or something 01:10:09 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 01:10:42 loke [~user@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 01:12:37 Bike_: concat return this : (wrong-type-argument characterp "mysubtitle") 01:12:48 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.255.18] has joined #lisp 01:12:51 what are you really doing? 01:13:13 your confusion is confusing 01:14:06 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@host-77-46-236-24.midco.net] has left #lisp 01:15:02 stassats: epokmedia is on #emacs and got his answer 01:15:38 yes stassats thanks for your help but i think my problem is emacs related 01:17:35 I use "(funcall (intern (string '#:create-server) :swank) ..." before swank loaded, how about "(setf swank:*log-output nil)" ? 01:18:12 (setf (symbol-value (intern goop here)) nil) 01:18:38 an opportunity to confound reviewers with SET, too 01:18:48 Bike: great, thanks 01:19:14 consider FIND-SYMBOL instead 01:21:04 (setf (symbol-value (intern "*log-output*" :swank)) nil) => intern: there is no package with name "SWANK" 01:21:23 how did you expect it to work? 01:21:33 stassats: do you mean not using intern ? 01:21:44 no, nothing will help you here 01:22:10 zRecursive: you trying to set a symbol value before the package is created? 01:22:14 and "*log-output*" most probably wrong has the wrong case 01:22:42 but "(funcall (intern (string '#:create-server) :swank) ..." works 01:23:21 it doesn't 01:23:52 stassats: it indeed works 01:24:15 i have tested in ~/.stumpwmrc 01:24:30 without any error 01:24:54 did you test the symbol-value one in the same conditions? 01:24:57 do you realize that the two forms are the same and if one does not work, the other wouldn't either? 01:25:41 Bike: yeah but symbol-value one reports error 01:25:58 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:21 "yeah" as in "no"? 01:26:27 well, stassats is right, obviously the swank package either exists or doesn't 01:27:21 sorry, it is my fault. putting both after (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :swank) works great! thanks 01:27:41 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@123.208.84.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:41:08 -!- Anarch 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I don't get why he does this: (defmacro defspel (&rest rest) `(defmacro ,@rest)) and then (defspel foo (bar baz) ...) when he could simply have done (defmacro foo (bar baz) ...) for exactly the same effect. Am I missing something? 05:25:10 sdemarre [~serge@215.182-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 05:25:41 *|3b|* suspects the point is to be 'fun' :) 05:25:52 yati, it's more fun to write DEFSPEL ! 05:26:07 you're not supposed to know what this weird C preprocessor "macro" thing is. They're SPELs! 05:26:14 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:07 <|3b|> actually, i guess it explains it in the link right before doing that: http://www.lisperati.com/no_macros.html 05:31:15 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 05:32:23 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 05:35:21 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:14 Quadrescence, |3b|, oh fun it definitely is :) 05:36:41 Ah I was reading his pdf offline - missed that link. 05:36:56 mal___ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 05:37:11 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 05:39:11 This guy knows how to teach stuff. 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07:37:20 cppiii [~chatzilla@220.232.224.86] has joined #lisp 07:39:09 (cons (cons 1 2 ) 3) and (lisp 1 2 3) are they same? 07:39:11 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 07:40:10 cppiii: no 07:40:46 p_l: sorry should be (list 1 2 3) 07:40:50 (cons (cons 1 2) 3) => ((1 . 2) . 3) 07:41:00 while (list 1 2 3) => (1 2 3) 07:41:09 the latter produces a proper list (with last CDR being nil) 07:41:41 (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 nil))) => (1 2 3) 07:44:07 p_l: thanks, so (1 2 3 ) is (1 . 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http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_loop.htm 11:19:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:21:11 redSnow1 [~Thunderbi@113.96.145.44] has joined #lisp 11:21:28 petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-15-61.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 11:21:56 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:23:37 -!- redSnow1 [~Thunderbi@113.96.145.44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:06 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:36 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.145.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:26:19 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.145.44] has joined #lisp 11:31:20 heh, if i make missing asdf system metadata a build failure, a lot of quicklisp disappears. 11:33:07 can we have a full list ? 11:33:13 I can fix my packages right away 11:34:27 http://paste.lisp.org/display/138094 is the list - some of those are indirect failures 11:36:41 I think Faré declared fare-matcher as obsolete in favour of optima 11:36:52 Xach: what's the missing metadata? or, in other words, what are the required fields? 11:36:56 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:37:18 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:38:44 Obsolete to fare, maybe, but not to everyone else. 11:38:58 jdz: I am checking for :description/:author/:license 11:39:37 in all systems, *-test too ? 11:39:48 In every system file. 11:39:55 Joreji_ [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:40:09 And every system named by that file, iirc. 11:40:53 sykopomp: chronicity works great! thanks very much! 11:43:43 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.145.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:44:08 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@37.152.240.225] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 11:45:53 Xach: is it :license or :licence? 11:47:35 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:48:39 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: This computer 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ZZZzzz] 12:08:38 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:08:53 fixed fiveam, osicat, parse-number and split-sequence 12:09:49 francisl [~anonymous@69.159.142.181] has joined #lisp 12:10:09 Thanks. 12:10:57 I'm currently getting fiveam-1.1.tar.gz. Is there a fiveam-latest.tar.gz url? 12:11:54 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109.65.187.45] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:12:30 Xach: do I need to fix something in the dwim.hu stuff? 12:14:03 attila_lendvai: spot checking shows missing :license info 12:14:11 e.g. for walker and delico 12:14:33 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 12:15:46 Xach: now there is 12:15:54 Thanks! 12:16:32 Do you intend to release 1.1.1 or something with the new system info? 12:16:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:18:46 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 12:19:29 Xach: what's your deadline ? 12:22:02 None at the moment. It's too disruptive to enforce right now, but I'd like to avoid adding new projects with missing info, and gradually clean up old stuff. 12:22:33 lamida [~androirc@cm82.psi186.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 12:22:48 -!- lamida [~androirc@cm82.psi186.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:30 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-29.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 12:27:50 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:58 Hmm, from where should I fetch split-sequence these days? 12:28:59 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:26 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 12:30:42 https://github.com/sharplispers/split-sequence/releases 12:30:51 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:32:23 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.159.142.181] has quit [Quit: francisl] 12:32:48 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Client Quit] 12:33:05 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:33:52 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 12:36:01 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:36:05 Xach: at least one of those failing systems (zpng) is yours! 12:39:51 -!- yati [~yati@122.170.62.221] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:57 Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:42:47 loke [~user@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 12:47:11 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 12:48:02 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-012-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:56 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:52:03 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 12:52:12 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@108.87.23.204] has joined #lisp 12:55:15 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.21.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:15 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 12:55:29 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-99-6.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:55:52 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:00:46 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:59 -!- mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:02:29 kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-126-200.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 13:02:32 s 13:02:43 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:04:13 NickLevine: way more than just one. 13:06:58 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:09 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:07:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:13:03 Xach: hm, were you previously fetching split-sequence from one of my servers? 13:14:31 kdas__ [~kdas@114.143.161.139] has joined #lisp 13:15:13 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 13:15:53 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.158.7] has joined #lisp 13:16:52 francisl [~anonymous@69.159.141.5] has joined #lisp 13:17:13 -!- kdas__ [~kdas@114.143.161.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:17:28 -!- francisl [~anonymous@69.159.141.5] has quit [Client Quit] 13:18:57 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:19:16 No, from github. but they changed their download system some time ago. 13:19:33 Well, "previously" I was, possibly years ago 13:19:46 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105-236-205-79.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:19:49 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.158.7] has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:10 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.158.7] has joined #lisp 13:20:37 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:21:00 Xach: fine, thanks. I lost a hard disk last week, and I wanted to check whether you were inconvenienced as a result. :-) 13:21:07 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:22:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:23:21 If it has slowed down your SBCL hacking, I am inconvenienced 13:24:06 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:32 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-165-123.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:27:33 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-223-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:27:33 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:28:07 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:28:12 I don't think it's possible to slow down from completely stationary :( 13:28:49 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:28:52 You could freeze yourself. 13:29:30 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-012-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:34:14 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-29.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34:38 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:39:26 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:59 G'morning all. 13:40:51 hi nyef 13:41:04 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:12 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:41:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:44:37 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47:03 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:49:51 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:50:58 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-29.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 13:52:51 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 13:53:56 lmj` [~lmj`@c-71-233-221-227.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:09 Is there a LOOP keyword highlighter that only applies to the scope of the LOOP form? 13:56:29 lmj`: In Emacs? 13:56:34 karbak [~kar@198.211.96.131] has joined #lisp 13:56:41 I'd rather not use :keyword LOOP keywords. 13:56:49 loke: yes 13:57:10 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:57:17 lmj`: I don't think so, but is the lack of that a big problem for you? 13:58:09 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:58:35 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:59:10 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 13:59:37 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: exit(EXIT_FAILURE);] 14:00:02 loke: nope, just wondering. If it's already written then I'd use it. 14:00:16 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:03:12 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-066-191.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:05 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:05:09 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:09:31 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[wrkwrkwrk] 14:09:47 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 14:10:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:13:09 paddymahoney [~patrick@24.137.221.230] has joined #lisp 14:13:11 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:20 *stassats* adds :license and :description for [common]qt.asd 14:13:26 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:28 Xach: should there be a dot at the end of :description? 14:13:50 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:59 If possible I'd include AWKLisp under s-exp syntax Cliki's section... Is it possible? 14:16:44 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.158.7] has quit [Quit: redSnow] 14:18:03 stassats: If it is a sentence, yes. 14:18:04 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:18:18 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:18:43 how do i tell? 14:19:03 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:19:12 <|3b|> does it have a verb? 14:19:47 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 14:19:50 Xach: well, i already went without a dot, to save you some hosting costs 14:20:02 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 14:20:18 :-) 14:22:04 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:22:12 Guest56800 [~user@ec2-54-244-195-20.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 14:22:21 flex 14:22:55 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:25:24 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003a4a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:56 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-126-200.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26:27 teggi [~teggi@123.20.119.146] has joined #lisp 14:28:23 billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-173.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:23 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-173.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:28:23 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:28:40 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:29:39 stassats: thanks 14:29:41 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:29:55 -!- Guest56800 [~user@ec2-54-244-195-20.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has left #lisp 14:31:17 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.211.69] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 14:33:12 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:33:45 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:34:12 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 14:34:22 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:40:42 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:41:55 AeroNotix [~xeno@abor238.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:42:22 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:54 antgreen [~green@out-on-253.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 14:47:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:49:58 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 14:54:06 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 14:54:21 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:28 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 14:57:28 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 14:57:28 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:58:07 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:58:22 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:58:45 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:00:21 ferada: ping 15:00:36 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:21 pung 15:02:46 loke: ?? 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I just used (SETF (VALUES (SLOT-VALUE. I'm not at all sure how to feel about such a construct. 15:38:06 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:38:23 how about ecstatic ? 15:38:34 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:39:03 Well, it's cute, but it also feels like a bit of a hack. 15:39:12 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:40:03 Lisp is , that's good :) 15:40:30 ... I could read that, that's good. (-: 15:40:31 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:41:49 -!- Triclops|lunch is now known as Triclops256 15:42:13 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:42:14 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42:15 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:42:41 fe[nl]ix: okay, i made two new requests which now should apply cleanly 15:43:06 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:43:40 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:46:15 -!- loke [~user@42.61.218.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:46:21 loke` [~user@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 15:49:09 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:50:16 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:50:17 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:50:49 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:50:55 quick poll: which implementations would you like to see in a CI environment to test your libraries agains? 15:51:02 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:51:21 all of them? 15:51:42 (really) 15:51:50 Xach: well I assume proprietary ones will be rather out of the question... 15:52:00 Why? 15:52:24 I don't understand how you might make that assumption, can you expand? 15:52:25 because I can't afford them? I'm creating a chef recipe for travis CI 15:52:57 can we include proprietary implementations in that? can they be downloaded from a public repository? 15:52:58 j_king: I think it is very likely that you could get free licenses if your project is appealing to LispWorks, Franz, and Scieneer 15:53:16 I don't know what "chef recipe for travis CI" means, though. 15:53:44 Are you making a project that does the testing, or is it a project that lets someone else do their own testing? 15:53:57 travis is a continuous integration service 15:54:03 it's free for open source projects 15:54:36 and they use a tool called "chef" which does the automation of setting up a blank virtual machine with the various services your app requires. 15:54:41 oh 15:55:02 I'm creating a recipe to allow us to include CL implementations 15:55:10 Who is "us"? 15:55:11 so we can run CL apps in the travis environment. :) 15:55:27 well anyone with a project who wants to run it on travis 15:55:55 So if I wrote a library and I wanted to test it, I would need to learn about how to use travis? Or would someone else (like you?) do that? 15:56:17 Xach: so Franz et al. would need to give Travis the licence 15:56:24 Xach: https://travis-ci.org 15:56:50 Xach: you'd just include a YAML file describing a few config options and create an account on that site 15:56:51 Xach: you need to include into the source repository a special file that tells Travis how to test it 15:57:10 then it does everything by github hooks 15:57:22 then you enable the github hook and Travis tests each commit 15:57:24 Ok. That doesn't sound all that great, but if someone made it easier, it sounds great. 15:58:01 It's part of my lisp in summer projects project :( 15:58:03 what do you mean it doesn't sound great ? 15:58:06 it's awesome 15:58:24 It sounds like a lot to learn and do to set up. 15:58:38 sdemarre [~serge@128.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 15:58:39 and if a commit fails tests, an IRC bot will notify out 15:58:41 *you 15:59:14 Xach: it's easy to setup https://github.com/agentultra/Horton/blob/master/.travis.yml 15:59:19 Xach: somebody only has to do it once, then it's cut&paste for all CL libraries 15:59:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.167] has joined #lisp 15:59:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.167] has quit [Changing host] 15:59:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:59:36 more or less 15:59:47 ikki [~ikki@201.164.188.53] has joined #lisp 15:59:49 Do you have to put those files in your project sources? 16:00:03 kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-126-200.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 16:00:05 it's one file at the top level 16:00:13 That doesn't sound very great, either. 16:00:14 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-cnvthomehfblpmpn] has joined #lisp 16:00:35 If it does a lot of great stuff, maybe it's worth it. 16:00:42 it does a lot of great stuff 16:00:51 I don't trust your judgement on the topic yet. 16:00:56 fair enough 16:03:02 -!- sdemarre [~serge@128.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:41 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:57 -!- agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:04:47 agumonkey [~agu@245.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:25 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:06:56 fe[nl]ix: if the v1.2 branch is integrated(?) someday there will be probably more stuff than just in-suite* which should be checked for whether anybody uses/d them 16:08:14 we'll have to have a discussion with segv- about it 16:08:36 fe[nl]ix: no, you don't have to have a discussion with me 16:08:59 i'm extremely unreliable at this time, don't let me hold anything up 16:09:00 please 16:09:06 aha 16:09:22 ferada: how about you send an email to the mailing list with the list of features you'd like to add ? 16:09:32 it makes this discussion less ephemeral 16:11:22 fe[nl]ix: yes, can do, although at the moment it'll be more about removing some unreliable ones 16:11:30 daimrod [daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 16:11:58 and probably integrating the rt stuff, but i haven't looked at it yet 16:12:05 ferada: ok 16:20:55 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:23:19 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 16:24:42 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:25:15 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:26:09 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:26:17 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@209.162.10.252] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 16:27:12 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:44 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:48 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:13 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:27 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:28:28 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:28 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 16:29:28 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:46 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:50 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:30:22 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:22 -!- inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:31:36 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 16:31:36 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-73-232.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:32:57 -!- macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 16:33:38 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:34:44 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 16:36:46 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:37:19 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-161-202.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 16:37:21 eldariof [~CLD@213.80.196.60] has joined #lisp 16:38:40 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:41:32 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 16:41:35 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 16:45:34 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-29.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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What did you pass to EVAL? 17:04:24 is it another one of these "pass random forms to random functions"? 17:05:07 Xach: I'm trying to evalutate this expression: (LABEL FF (LAMBDA (X) (COND ((ATOM X) X) (T (FF (CAR X))))) (QUOTE ((A B) C))) 17:05:23 that doesn't look like common lisp 17:05:24 stassats: I'm reading here: http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/pub/misc/micromanualLISP.pdf 17:06:54 try compiling it with GCC instead 17:07:16 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@99.102.66.135] has joined #lisp 17:08:39 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:09:43 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:59 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.23.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:59 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 17:11:05 Xach: sorry: ((LABEL FF (LAMBDA (X) (COND ((ATOM X) X) ( T (FF (CAR X)))))) (QUOTE ((A B) C))) 17:11:30 should give me A ... 17:11:40 as reported at point 10. 17:13:53 I'm not able to understand why I don't get that result...surely I'm missing something/I'm doing something wrong. 17:13:56 pnpuff: that's not legal CL code 17:14:45 fe[nl]ix: thanks a lot. Can you kindly translate to legal CL code? 17:15:06 use labels 17:15:35 that's seems like something unrewarding that people would only do if they got paid 17:16:06 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:09 pnpuff: You are trying to evaluate a list that is not a lambda expression. That doesn't work per the evaluator rules. 17:16:17 Or rather, the list in the car 17:16:22 pnpuff: you need to concentrate on other things first before looking at how trivial lisp evaluators were written 40 years ago 17:16:34 -!- maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:16:49 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:16:51 but i keep forgetting that learning CL is not your goal, so, maybe you shouldn't 17:16:53 -!- Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:17:13 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:17:51 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:21:16 maybe it was not even a goal for McCarthy. :) 17:21:41 what's that supposed to mean? 17:22:03 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:45 Anarch [~olaf@c-67-183-64-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:51 I believe he's comparing himself to a luminary of computer science. 17:22:58 noo... 17:23:56 he wrote only trivial evaluators :) 17:24:07 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:24:38 pnpuff, if you're reading mccarthy why are you using CL rather than Scheme? 17:25:04 ... Or PDP-6 assembly language? 17:25:04 dlowe: it wouldn't be a valid comparison without a white beard 17:26:15 sorry !!! thanks for suggestions guys.... 17:28:24 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:29 I like read something of historical interest anyway... (even If don't understand fully the meaning so sometimes I ask for help) 17:28:50 *I don't ... 17:31:01 reading historical CS papers is a worthy pursuit I'd recommend to anybody, but I think you'll find Scheme a much friendlier language for experimenting with stuff like McCarthy's evaluator and fun tricks with lambda calculus 17:32:49 reading historical CS papers is worthless if you know nothing about CS 17:33:07 and Scheme isn't any more friendlier than CL for things like this 17:33:26 define "nothing" :) 17:34:33 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:35:09 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:35:19 the amount of knowledge you possess 17:36:28 -!- inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qQQ] 17:36:34 I'm learning... 17:36:37 i'm just saying that your approach to learning is bogus, trying to understand hard things before the easy ones 17:37:23 now things are no more trivial :) 17:37:39 Meh. The hard things are also the INTERESTING things. 17:37:48 did you learn linguistics before being able to speak too? 17:38:48 *nyef* points out that it's a whole lot easier to teach a computer to deal with linguistics than it is to teach a computer to converse naturally. 17:39:27 For that matter, learning to speak is HARD. 17:42:09 stassats: anyway I agrre with you... maybe my approach is wrong, but I think is interesting (at least for me) 17:42:21 *agree 17:42:47 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-161-202.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:43:14 -!- blrm [~blair@twdp-174-109-132-216.nc.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 17:43:36 if only it didn't lead to a deluge of strange questions on #lisp 17:44:31 ok. 17:44:50 thanks fe[nl]ix , now works!! ... :) 17:46:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:46:48 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:46:55 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48:31 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:51 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:50:20 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-161-202.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 17:50:27 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 17:50:41 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 17:51:18 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:10 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:41 -!- Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:53 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:54:56 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:21 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:55:38 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:40 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:49 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 17:59:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:02:39 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:03:49 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 18:04:08 ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 18:04:16 oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.249.184] has joined #lisp 18:06:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:06:41 drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-34.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:09:52 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 18:11:08 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-50-108.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:12:55 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-52-6.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:30 cabaire [~nobody@p5DCD2A61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:13:46 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-161-202.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:21 fihi09 [~user@pool-108-27-85-242.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:34 cornihilio [c0f1c79c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.241.199.156] has joined #lisp 18:14:53 minion: memo for yati: actually, renaming operators (defspel for defmacro), is one of the easiest way to introduce (functional) abstraction. For example, using first, rest, second, third, instead of car, cdr, cadr, caddr let the (human) reader of the program know that we're talking at the level of lists, not at the level of cons cells. 18:14:54 Remembered. I'll tell yati when he/she/it next speaks. 18:15:06 ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has joined #lisp 18:16:37 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.249.184] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:18:39 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:19:31 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:21:05 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:51 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:18 theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has joined #lisp 18:22:50 Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:23:37 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:23:55 an compiling Lisp to C be as fast as using a virtual machine and compiling to bytecode or is it inherently slower?...Also what about say comiling Python to Lisp? 18:24:03 can* 18:24:10 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:24:26 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:24:52 i know fastest is compiling to assembly but i wondered if "piggybacking" on these other languages will be competitive with that 18:25:29 -!- davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:23 theseb: dunno. Pypy might be a good target to experiment with writing a JIT'd CL implementation. Seems like a pretty low barrier to get running. 18:27:08 they might get around to a CLR-like interop at some point 18:27:44 has anyone attempted an CL implementation in OCaml? 18:27:58 nug700 [~nug700@174.26.153.44] has joined #lisp 18:28:00 a full CL implementation is hard. :S 18:28:11 of course 18:29:47 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:30:27 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:47 bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has joined #lisp 18:30:47 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [Client Quit] 18:31:00 bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has joined #lisp 18:31:18 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:31:23 j_king: make pypy emit CL? interesting idea 18:31:36 j_king: there *is* CLPython already 18:31:56 I think it was just a proof of concept 18:32:06 pretty neat concept, though 18:32:08 bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has joined #lisp 18:32:12 theseb: there is, I was suggesting writing a CL implementation on pypy; ie: bootstrapping the lispy bits in RPython and building up from there 18:32:15 there was a cl jvm running around at one point too 18:32:16 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:32:27 bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has joined #lisp 18:32:27 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [Client Quit] 18:32:34 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:33:05 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:33:07 I would but don't have the time/interest. plenty of good CL implementations and I'm not sure what a JIT runtime could do for CL. I'd certainly tip a project to experiment with it 18:33:17 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:10 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 18:34:24 benkard [~benkard@82.113.99.220] has joined #lisp 18:37:12 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:31 Does https://github.com/davazp/jscl count? 18:37:48 bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has joined #lisp 18:40:00 j_king: i think implementing lisps on mature VMs is a great idea..helps to leverage their portability and libraries 18:42:21 iglu [~nick@124-148-237-235.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 18:42:21 hello I have been working on cl in my spare time and I am incredibly desperate for a remote/contract job that lets me use common lisp. I am a python/sysadmin guy who had an okay job but I am willing to work for $20 an hour if the job helps me with mastering cl. 18:46:41 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 18:47:09 cornihilio: Go through http://lispjobs.wordpress.com/ and start sending out e-mails. 18:48:57 loke`` [~user@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 18:49:27 -!- loke` [~user@42.61.218.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:49:59 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:06 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:18 -!- loke`` [~user@42.61.218.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:29 ffilozov: I have looked at that and have tried sending a few emails... but my problem is primarily experience. I have not worked on any big open source projects and I don't really have a resume. I was just hoping someone on here might see me and contract me for something I guess. 18:51:47 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:36 -!- ckoch_ [~cory@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52:45 Why does C have a reputation as the language of SPEED? I'd like to see Lisp be used for speed w/ an awesome compiler that is equal or BETTER? impossible? 18:52:53 yeah I know it's lame to post here and I could probably get a job and use lisp secretly... but I don't want to do that. I want to really learn cl and be around other smart people to learn from. 18:52:53 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-158-184.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 18:53:03 cornihilio: Consider volunteering at first. 18:53:14 klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has joined #lisp 18:53:14 volunteering? 18:53:19 :) 18:53:28 ckoch_ [~cory@cpe-98-27-140-191.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:54:32 cornihilio: There aren't many CL jobs out there. Let alone remote jobs that are looking for junior developers. 18:55:40 I know I know... but surely there must be something I can offer? I am competent, I know how to use git and the basics of setting up/administering *nix systems... and I'd be happy to work for less than $20. I mean there must be someone interested in that, right? 18:55:52 oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.133.204] has joined #lisp 18:55:57 dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:06 and I'm already a half-decent programmer when it comes to certain turing tar pits 18:56:50 I need to get on board some open source projects so that when the time rolls around for wanting a new job I have extra experience 18:56:51 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:52 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:21 cornihilio: Your best bet is to contact the owner directly and plead you rcase. 18:58:21 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58:34 cornihilio: so *get* some open source experience but contributing something...problem solved 18:59:00 cornihilio: and work for free for some company for 1 week....now you have work experience 19:00:51 well thank you ffilozov and theseb for your advice. I really am clueless here and I know how difficult it is to get a job like that... but I was just hoping. 19:00:54 Also, if you're just happy to work with Lisp in general, you might try getting in touch with some Clojure company. There's quite a few of them. 19:01:30 nha [~prefect@koln-5d8156fb.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:23 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:02:31 minion: memo for pnpuff: you should consider #lisp-lab to ask questions about LISP 1.5 19:02:31 Remembered. I'll tell pnpuff when he/she/it next speaks. 19:02:39 -!- _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:03:19 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:04:43 cornihilio: ah yes....ffilozov is right....Clojure is probably the "hottest" l isp right now 19:04:48 lisp* 19:05:58 , but CL is the hottest in here 19:06:54 (progn (open "/tmp/foo" :direction :output :if-exists :supersede) 19:07:13 wrong buffer 19:08:05 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:00 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:31 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 19:12:15 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-184-38.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:12:18 well I would prefer CL for this hypothetical dream job 19:12:37 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 19:15:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:16:15 if you want to be around smart people, why are you looking for remote working? 19:16:46 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:19:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:20:14 well for smart people: they are usually good people... interesting conversation... good code base... good documentation... minimal bs. At the same time I would like to try remote because I have social anxiety sometimes. 19:20:22 keep your enemies close but your co-workers on another continent 19:20:24 doomlord [~doomlod@46.255.116.194] has joined #lisp 19:20:33 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:21:02 doomlord_ [~doomlod@46.255.116.194] has joined #lisp 19:24:14 -!- ffilozov [~user@84.77.187.252] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:51 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@d205-250-223-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:27:20 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:49 -!- benkard [~benkard@82.113.99.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:29:58 -!- bondar [~bondar@197.156.132.62] has quit [] 19:29:59 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:182f:734e:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:30:26 -!- theseb [~cs@74.194.237.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:30:54 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:17 remote work has its disadvantages. i work remotely full time (and have been for a while now). 19:31:45 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:32:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:08 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 19:33:24 cornihilio: given your situation, the easiest way to get a lisp job, is to start up your own company. As CEO+CTO, you will be able to impose CL ;-) 19:34:14 -!- daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 19:34:25 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 19:34:26 -!- daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35:18 tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:3086:4514:b3ee:137e] has joined #lisp 19:36:49 *Xach* has been suffering this week from a lack of home cooling for his remote lisp job 19:38:12 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 19:38:43 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.133.204] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:39:31 remote work, they dont know i spend 90 hours a week and onlybill for 40 :) 19:40:28 Xach: (ql:quickload :cl-airconditioning) 19:40:31 out to take care of it 19:40:34 *ought 19:41:44 -!- davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:03 i was putting off AC.. liike for a week or even two.. like.. it'll pass only maybe at most 2 weeks of heat left.. but.. newpaper for a used AC.. it was less than 100$ USD.. it was nuts to not just get one 19:44:38 10k btu style.. its worth it 19:46:04 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:46:20 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.144] has joined #lisp 19:46:51 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 19:46:58 95 degress outsidew and i am wearing a coat indoors! .. seroiusly .. since this dang thing if i set it at anything below freezing it'll blow a fuse when it toggles on/off 19:47:17 anything avove freezing^ 19:47:35 sounds like you need to upgrade your wiring 19:47:57 *Xach* is sorry to have brought it up 19:48:12 yeah seems the entire hour upstairs is one fuse downstairs it's like 15 fuses 19:48:14 -!- eldariof [~CLD@213.80.196.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:21 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p5DCD2A61.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:51:22 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:34 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:55:26 my suggestion Xach, get a thermometer. and if its hotter than 85 degrees where you sit there is still time to make the AC purchase worth it 19:55:50 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:52 *sykopomp* enjoys being able to pause work to run errands, cook meals, etc, and being able to roll over in the morning at 9am and just grab the laptop to start working instead of doing 45min commutes to and fro. 19:57:03 Xach: bought a new AC this morning. baby went to bed sweating last night too much. 19:57:23 but yeah, wfh is nice when you have a kid which is why I like it. 19:57:45 we use sqwiggle/screenhero to keep in touch and it feels like there's still an office 19:58:35 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:39 -!- daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has quit [Quit: brb] 19:59:19 vterron [~vterron@udit65.iaa.csic.es] has joined #lisp 19:59:43 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:59:58 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 20:01:06 I'm writing a commit message, something along the lines of "Add new function: foo". Should I better write foo(), or (foo)? What's the recommended way of referring to the name of a function? 20:01:20 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.144] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:01:29 what you have seems ok to me 20:02:33 zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.144] has joined #lisp 20:02:54 Thanks. And I wanted to avoid explicitly describing it as a function? E.g: "Add foo() -- compute the MD5 hash" 20:02:59 Is that idiomatic? 20:03:25 "Add #'foo -- compute the MD5 hash" 20:03:49 #'foo, cool 20:03:55 vterron: CAPS are sometimes useful to disambiguate. 20:04:03 i mean, you have "function" right there, so 20:04:30 Bike, yes, but I wanted to avoid having to write "function" 20:04:36 ah. 20:05:03 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-184-38.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 20:05:29 i'd add the package though.. #'FRODO:FOO 20:06:05 (if it makes sense to anyhow) 20:06:43 ok 20:06:55 thank you all so much 20:07:47 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 20:09:30 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 20:10:19 camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-b-226.princeton.org] has joined #lisp 20:10:43 vterron: Why do you want to avoid having to write that? 20:12:23 Xach, the summary needs to fit on one line. 20:13:22 What is the actual line that was too long? 20:13:42 vterron: «New function FOO» 20:13:51 "Add #'delete-old-backups  remove old files in ~/.emacs-backups" 20:13:57 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:14:17 That fits, saying that it is a function doesn't 20:14:49 ... Why do you need to mention the function name specifically? 20:15:20 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:24 somebody is too much into GNU-style commit messages 20:15:46 felideon, admittedly 20:17:53 nyef, I don't *have* to, but I find it helpful when I have to go through the commit log (particularly, git shortlog) 20:18:01 - 20:19:23 vterron: I git blame a lot. 20:21:29 Mmm... Have you considered linux-style or SBCL-style commit messages? 20:21:39 I blame git a lot 20:22:16 *nightfly* couldn't resist the joke and seldom has actual problems with git 20:22:38 nyef, I'll take a deep look at them --I appreciate the suggestion 20:24:18 *dmiles* worked with an author of appletalk.. who used a 80x32 monitor with this code.. lol http://logicmoo.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/logicmoo/openmodaliy/iso-prolog/logicmoo_tap_belief.pl?hideattic=0&revision=1.1&view=markup 20:25:03 (Well, I say "SBCL-style commit messages", but there's a decent amount of variation there by committer.) 20:26:21 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:26:49 nyef: where are the style guides for linux-style and sbcl-style commit messages? are there examples somewhere? 20:28:17 sdemarre [~serge@128.176-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 20:29:56 optikalmouse: i think SBCL commit history has examples of those 20:30:23 pjb` [~t@90.24.241.80] has joined #lisp 20:30:43 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:44 optikalmouse: I imagine that the style guide for the Linux-style messages are somewhere under Documentation/. I'm not sure if there's an official style guide for SBCL, but if there is, it's probably under doc/. In either case, examples of commit messages can be found (oddly enough) in the source repositories for each project, and these are available via gitweb somewhere or other, I'm sure. 20:30:52 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.212.203.144] has left #lisp 20:31:50 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:00 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:24 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 20:32:49 nyef: my god, commit messages open to the public?! 20:32:55 ;) 20:34:21 -!- pjb [~t@90.24.196.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:30 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 20:37:01 sometimes git users forget but the commit message, the first line up until the first blank line is treated as a summary. you can have your GNU/cake and eat it too 20:37:49 "GNU/cake" doesn't sound particularly appetizing. 20:38:16 too much blubber 20:42:30 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abos178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has 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-!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:50:27 ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 21:50:38 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:04 mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:40 nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:06 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 22:01:16 -!- Sagane_ [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:35 Is there something similar to MAPCAR, but that uses APPLY instead of FUNCALL? 22:06:23 duber [~user@173.199.153.194] has joined #lisp 22:06:28 <_death> mapply? 22:07:50 -!- _death is now known as adeht 22:08:09 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 22:08:11 Not seeing that in CLHS... 22:08:20 i don't think there's anything standard 22:08:32 Okay, fair enough. Thanks. 22:08:41 it's just (mapcar (lambda (&rest args) (apply #'apply fn args)) ...) isn't it, though 22:09:17 -!- duber [~user@173.199.153.194] has left #lisp 22:09:17 ... Almost. You don't need to apply #'apply, you can apply fn directly. 22:09:44 that would be just mapcar 22:09:53 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:09:54 -!- mgile [~mgile@74-92-220-177-Colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Parting is such sweet sorrow...] 22:10:15 (mapcar (lambda (x) (apply fn x)) list) 22:10:17 -!- daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has quit [Client Quit] 22:10:18 (mapcar (lambda (&rest args) (apply #'+ args)) '(1 2) '(3 4)) => (4 6) 22:10:24 I think that's what nyef was thinking, Bike 22:10:42 Just dealing with only being able to take one argument and that is a list... 22:11:10 (mapcar (lambda (x) (apply #'+ x)) '((3 4) (5 10))) 22:11:20 Yeah, that last example. 22:11:34 nyef: it's not standard, just the conventional name 22:11:46 My actual use-case is somewhat more complicated than #'+, though. 22:12:31 I think it'll be more efficient if I alter the function I'm calling to take a list rather than spread arguments. 22:12:43 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 22:12:45 So, thank you all for your input. 22:12:49 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: ZzZ~] 22:15:34 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:18:58 Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 22:19:40 daat418 [~daat_un@chammerling-mini.xinet.COM] has joined #lisp 22:21:30 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abos178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:21:48 AeroNotix [~xeno@abos178.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:21:58 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:23:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25:00 Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 22:29:21 benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-73-132.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 22:36:51 BitPuffin [~quassel@m83-178-10-91.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 22:37:59 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 22:41:16 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:41:28 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:42:36 -!- doomlord_ [~doomlod@46.255.116.194] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:45:16 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@46.255.116.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:45:23 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:48:04 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:49:08 ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 22:49:08 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@h165043.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 22:49:22 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:50:19 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 22:51:28 macrobat [~beep@h-199-47.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 22:52:16 -!- agumonkey [~agu@245.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:56:46 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:57:02 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 22:57:45 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 23:00:59 francisl [~anonymous@69.159.141.5] has joined #lisp 23:02:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B2980EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:03:57 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: no future] 23:04:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-165-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:05:05 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-156-159.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:05:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@137-071.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:05:26 -!- camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-b-226.princeton.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:48 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:16:45 -!- d2biG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:52 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:21:32 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.150.50.149] has joined #lisp 23:25:16 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:26:37 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-73-132.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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