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be compiled 02:02:47 and the answer is generally a combination of static type determination, and runtime type information. 02:02:48 Bike: are you sure? 02:03:00 quite sure 02:03:23 Bike: I'm aware of Python's Psycho that tries to guess at types but I heard it isn't so effective 02:03:48 <|3b|> compiling and producing an executable are unrelated anyway 02:04:04 i have no idea about how python compilers function, i'm going off of my understanding of lisp compilers. i imagine the principles are pretty similar. 02:04:20 Bike: They can, I've seen it before. 02:04:29 <|3b|> many CL implementations compile even when used interactively, and bytecode implementations can produce executables 02:04:37 anyway, for example, it's common to have "fixnums" as machine words with the least significant few bits as zeroes. that way you can distinguish them as fixnums at runtime. 02:04:40 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:15 sellout: , you sellout! 02:06:38 theseb: You may be confusing yourself with static analysis. 02:07:50 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:07:55 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:09:28 theseb: Have a look at pypy, perhaps. 02:11:16 theseb: And then you might consider compilation as the partial application of a program to an interpreter. 02:11:44 the Futurama projections! 02:11:55 Zhivago: Py2exe and PyInstaller *can* make Python standalones but they pretty much must embed the entire Python interpreter/VM system for the ride....do Lisp executables do something similar? 02:12:24 <|3b|> many do, but they still might be compiling to efficient machine code 02:12:36 theseb: Stand-alone is completely and utterly irrelevant to anything. 02:13:12 theseb: Lisp implemetations use various compilation and interpretation strategies. 02:13:20 i guess i need to learn about compilers 02:13:48 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 02:14:24 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 02:14:29 Zhivago: i think it is common knowledge that Lisp can compile to fast efficient executables....I don't hear that with Python...made me think it was something in the language preventing that 02:14:39 maybe i'm wrong 02:14:44 theseb: See pypy, again. 02:15:14 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:14 Zhivago: yea..pypy uses a JIT like Java 02:15:20 Zhivago: that is yet another strategy 02:15:26 theseb: You are confused. 02:15:46 theseb: Go and understand how pypy actually works, and then you should be able to talk about these more sensibly. 02:16:13 ok :) 02:16:16 -!- chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:03 -!- theseb [d807e14e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.7.225.78] has left #lisp 02:18:36 short answer: Python is pretty intensely resistant to compilation 02:19:14 No more than javascript. :) 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I imagine read-char-no-hang will be useful, plus some implementation specific wait-with-timeout. 11:56:32 clhs read-char-no-hang 11:56:32 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_c_1.htm 11:57:07 But be aware that your lisp might have some more direct system call for listening on a stream. RtM. 11:59:30 NickLevine: thankx 12:02:44 which gtk lib is easier cl-gtk2 or cells-gtk? 12:03:12 wrong question, qt is easier! 12:03:30 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 12:03:31 nop. the question is about gtk libs :| 12:04:54 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 12:06:17 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:07:52 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754643.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:08:19 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-192.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Is there a CL for 8086 or 80286? 13:18:06 jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-188-93.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 13:18:13 for ms dos, yes 13:18:17 star sapphire 13:18:17 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:18:48 also some special deployment-oriented ZetaLisp variant that might have supported CL as well 13:19:00 there's one more I think 13:20:08 turbopape [~turbopape@41.230.44.101] has joined #lisp 13:22:59 fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:46 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 13:27:20 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:28:56 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:29:25 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:31:57 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-189-164.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:34:46 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-188-93.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:39 <|3b|> Xach: at least they are less confusing than .cl when you use both common lisp and opencl :) 13:37:31 so many clashes 13:37:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:38:31 *nyef* just went from thinking of ".cl" meaning "chloride" to "rock the casbah". 13:39:14 i imagine people angry at why .lisp is used for common lisp and not for "lisp in general" 13:40:02 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:43:35 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-33-110.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:44:46 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-215-54.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:47:07 :D 13:47:20 schemers with pitchforks 13:48:51 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:55:04 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 13:56:08 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.118.78] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:04 do the allegro and lispworks IDEs on windows default to .lsp? 13:57:16 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:57:59 camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-c-227.princeton.org] has joined #lisp 13:58:47 .lsp is almost as annoying as .htm 14:00:37 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-dytjswzogvivhspc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:48 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-189.uio.no] has quit [Quit: rudi] 14:01:05 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:01:40 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-189.uio.no] has joined #lisp 14:02:33 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-247-189.uio.no] has quit [Client Quit] 14:04:50 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.188.53] has joined #lisp 14:07:00 ignas_ [~textual@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 14:08:25 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:08:40 -!- ignas_ [~textual@office.pov.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 14:08:52 ignas_ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 14:09:20 -!- ignas_ is now known as ignas 14:10:14 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:11:44 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 14:12:45 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:14:03 wheelsucker [~user@168.114.240.151] has joined #lisp 14:14:50 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 14:14:59 hi 14:20:08 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 14:21:33 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-24-173-33-110.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 14:23:11 loke` [~user@42.61.218.195] has joined #lisp 14:23:17 -!- loke [~user@42.61.218.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:40 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:28:24 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:12 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 14:29:22 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:29:42 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 14:30:43 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:32:43 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:35:07 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-243-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:19 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:26 alama [~jessealam@HSI-KBW-095-208-248-180.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:37:13 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:38:31 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:38:51 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 14:38:54 -!- s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:37 s00pcan [~chris@108-208-64-149.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:07 ryoshu [~user@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has joined #lisp 14:48:38 Please help me with ECL: http://susepaste.org/69d5b0a3 isn't working: gcc plik.c -lecl ; what's wrong? 14:48:50 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50:13 I'd say incorrect use of ECL 14:51:53 p_l: what line? 14:52:14 generally the whole fib() bit 14:52:52 I don't have ECL on hand to compile the code, but I don't think it works like that 14:53:03 gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:57 kdas__ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-mpsjwujxhjftdgor] has joined #lisp 14:54:14 kanru` [~kanru@114-42-12-29.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:47 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:54:58 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:55:27 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:56:12 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-gtgtxjgxyuibqkna] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:58:01 -!- kdas__ is now known as kushal 14:58:09 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-mpsjwujxhjftdgor] has quit [Changing host] 14:58:10 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:58:42 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 15:02:16 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-mekuijbvmzxzdpuc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:52 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:13 -!- Guest73368 [~dbe@79.136.106.38] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:03:40 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:05:16 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07:16 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:08:04 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 15:08:38 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:09:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.188.189] has joined #lisp 15:09:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.188.189] has quit [Changing host] 15:09:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:12:47 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 15:14:38 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:45 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has joined #lisp 15:15:48 ryoshu: The first error is Condition of type: TYPE-ERROR 15:15:49 (DEFUN FIB ...) is not of type FUNCTION. 15:15:49 No restarts available. 15:16:25 It is unclear to me whether this is in the c_string_to_object() or in the cl_funcall() compiling with the funcall commented out to see. 15:17:08 It's in the funcall so I think the problem would be that you've turned your string into a list but that list hasn't been evaluated or compiled yet. 15:17:20 -!- kanru` [~kanru@114-42-12-29.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:27 -!- mikaelj_ [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:17:34 Not sure how to do that in ECL. 15:18:22 pnpuff [~empty@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:18:38 kanru` [~kanru@114-42-12-29.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:14 mikaelj [~tic@c83-248-1-208.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 15:19:39 how would a declaim for a function that only accepts one parameter, which is itself a parameter that accepts only a number? 15:20:28 jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:20:45 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-215-54.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:20 Denommus: Do you mean "itself a FUNCTION that accepts only a number"? 15:23:23 ryoshu: http://paste.lisp.org/+2YJJ 15:23:39 nyef: yes 15:23:43 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:47 nyef: I mistyped and didn't notice 15:24:20 Start by figuring out how to describe the parameter, since it's a function itself. 15:24:45 DESCRIBE is your friend here, particularly on SBCL. 15:25:30 nyef: I would think that it should be (declaim (ftype (function ((function (number) number)) (function (number) number)) my-function)) 15:25:39 (declaim (ftype (function ((function (integer) integer)) integer) foo)) 15:26:05 Oh returning a function, too I'd think that's right. 15:26:50 it's a declaim for a function that calculates a derivative 15:28:25 How do you map from the lisp function to the more abstract mathematical function? 15:28:30 why bother? 15:28:41 Seems right to me http://paste.lisp.org/+2YJK 15:29:02 nyef: it's aproximated 15:29:12 -!- pierpa``` [~user@host35-233-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:22 What's the derivative of CDR? (-: 15:29:29 there isn't going to be any typechecking or optimizations 15:29:32 pierpa``` [~user@host35-233-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:30:42 CDR isn't a: (function (number) number) :) 15:31:23 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@62.182.192.239] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 15:31:36 Okay, good answer. 15:31:38 stassats: I just noticed. Only if I also declaimed the function to be derivated, right? 15:32:13 I think declaims can have use for the human-reader, too.... 15:32:29 patrickwonders: indeed 15:33:10 patrickwonders: if I (describe 'derivative), I'll have actual useful information about the parameters and return types 15:33:14 patrickwonders: english prose have more use for humans 15:33:48 if you want types like that, haskell is that way 15:34:12 or Typed Racket 15:34:19 stassats: English prose isn't significantly more vague in this particular instance (if you're a fluent English speaker) 15:34:29 but no, I'm just doing that for learning how to declaim properly 15:35:23 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:38 -!- pnpuff [~empty@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 15:37:07 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:50 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:32 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 15:39:02 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@62.182.192.239] has joined #lisp 15:39:14 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:39:35 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:39:48 ryoshu: http://susepaste.org/92468185 15:39:51 is there any significative difference between a sharpquoted and not sharpquoted lambda? 15:40:13 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 15:40:33 -!- turbopape [~turbopape@41.230.44.101] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:51 Denommus: I think it was a historical leftover 15:41:14 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:41:43 Denommus: no, it's a bike shed 15:43:11 right, thanks 15:43:11 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@62.182.192.239] has quit [Client Quit] 15:43:25 stassats: "bike shed" -- had to look it up are you meaning something trivial that the standards folk couldn't agree on? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkinson's_law_of_triviality 15:43:43 -!- Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@201.164.188.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:45 patrickwonders: given the context, I would say it's what he means 15:43:59 patrickwonders: no the standard folks, the current folks 15:44:15 That'd make sense, too... 15:44:47 people attribute magical properties to adding #' before lambda 15:45:59 as you can see, i'm against #' 15:46:26 also against using setq, prefixing : in LOOP 15:46:39 It's another one of those things that I think can be useful to the human-reader. Albeit, the human reader should twig on the word "lambda", too but. 15:46:44 and against &aux 15:47:03 if there's some kind of reason for using sharpquote, the compilers should get smart enough for implying it 15:47:27 for lambda? absolutely no reason 15:48:00 Denommus: it's part of the macroexpansion process. If there's a difference, the implementation is broken. 15:48:11 Denommus: there was *once* a reason, before the standard was finished. By the time it became ANSI standard, it was left only as compatibility for code already written 15:49:01 afk 15:49:43 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:50:21 I used to hate aux until I found that it's a great place to put function-local constant parameters 15:50:42 xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has joined #lisp 15:50:53 things like max-search-depth that don't really belong on top level 15:51:20 I still wouldn't use it for normal operational variables 15:51:24 &aux doesn't make them any more constant than LET 15:51:42 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@37.152.240.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:52:02 eudoxia [~eudoxia@r186-53-189-251.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #lisp 15:54:33 I, too, think &aux is useless. LET is just perfect for local variables 15:55:36 ISTR that there's still ONE case where &AUX is the right tool for the job, but it's not a case that I tend to run into, so I don't remember what that case is. 15:55:44 but there was apparently not enough variable-binding constructs to confuse new users, so they decided to add &aux 15:55:54 nyef: BOA defstruct constructors 15:56:28 nyef: &aux is just like a let*, but made for retrocompatibility. So... no 15:56:42 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 15:56:58 no, it doesn't make them constant. It does put them in a nicely visible bit of the function signature, however. 15:56:58 stassats: That sounds about right, yes. 15:57:20 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-mwtitllobqzsvywk] has joined #lisp 15:57:22 So... yes. 15:57:46 dlowe: why does the client code need to know what variables are used inside of the function implementation? This breaks encapsulation 15:57:52 pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:58:14 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:58:26 Denommus: &aux is invisible to the client code, so I don't know what you're talking about 15:58:44 dlowe: if coming from "no symbol left behind", but i don't imagine you would be crying if there was no &aux 15:58:50 dlowe: it's not important to make the local variables visible in the function signature 15:59:00 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 15:59:13 stassats: no, it's pretty rare that the situation comes up 15:59:47 if i wanted a thousand ways to do the same thing, i'd be writing in perl 16:00:01 stassats: that's what the schemers say, and look where it got them 16:00:11 dlowe: if you create a function that uses &aux and use DESCRIBE on it, the &aux variables will appear on the signature 16:00:25 dlowe: no, they say "i want bondage and discipline" 16:00:55 dlowe: so yes, it is visible to client code 16:01:07 it's perfectly easy to define a special variable, in any case 16:01:21 ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-62.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:21 dlowe: ...? 16:02:27 Denommus: if your client code is using DESCRIBE, there's just no helping you 16:03:19 dlowe: of course the client code will not use DESCRIBE, but one may use DESCRIBE to check the apropriated documentation of the function in question. And them there will be the &aux, there, mocking the user 16:03:44 s/them/then/ 16:04:17 dlowe: when a LET does not affect the function's documentation 16:04:26 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:40 -!- CrazyEddy [~irrecogni@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:04:51 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 16:05:40 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Quit: going to play videogames] 16:06:16 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-mwtitllobqzsvywk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:14 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@dhcp237.dmi.ens.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:46 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:09:59 Shruubi [~Damon@d211-31-210-66.sun802.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:10:02 &AUX parameters also show up in SLIME arglist hinting, don't they? 16:10:07 nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-84-236.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:21 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-84-236.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:37 -!- Shruubi [~Damon@d211-31-210-66.sun802.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:16:17 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:00 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:25:23 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:45 -!- Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:25:53 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 16:26:00 Bike_ [~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:30 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops|lunch 16:27:49 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:28:14 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-210-1.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:29:29 hello bike 16:29:36 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:29:37 hello loke`. 16:29:40 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 16:31:39 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@78-134-126-200.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:31:43 skalawag [user@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3ad2] has joined #lisp 16:32:05 -!- skalawag [user@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3ad2] has left #lisp 16:32:14 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:32:33 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:32:37 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-62.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:33:40 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 16:35:53 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:40 AeroNotix [~xeno@abod149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:37:08 -!- Wukix`` [~user@76-198-128-124.lightspeed.mtvwca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 16:37:30 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:25 -!- Triclops|lunch is now known as Triclops256 16:39:47 ericmathison [~ericmathi@66-192-9-62.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:31 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:45:55 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:46:56 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:49:57 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-184-25.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 16:50:24 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:51 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:53:48 sdemarre [~serge@215.182-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 16:55:45 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 16:56:37 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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How can I do to perform properly and efficiently operations with infinite-degree polinomials using Common Lisp? (.....maybe using streams.....) Thx for any useful suggestion. 17:49:05 wbooze: I think that needs to really be handled outside the library 17:49:23 ok, so i have todo it myself in beirc then....meh 17:49:29 but thank you dlowe 17:50:34 currently i'm using xchat because of that.... 17:50:56 it sucks, i don't know if i'm disconnected at some time, and the discover i am or so.... 17:50:58 optikalmouse [~quassel@gw.trapeze.com] has joined #lisp 17:52:13 -!- sharvey[F] is now known as b2coutts 17:52:54 pnpuff: SICP goes over that in detail, i believe 17:53:00 wbooze: just send a ping to the server occasionally and see how long it takes to come back 17:53:12 aah 17:53:18 or if it comes back 17:54:25 dlowe: i don't know howto do that via cl-irc..... 17:54:54 dlowe: i'd have to use cl-irc cause the connection is actually done via it i think..... 17:55:08 dlowe: i'll read on 17:55:44 Bike: I'm reading a McIlroy's article now..... 17:55:49 ignas [~ignas@ip-195-14-170-66.bnk.lt] has joined #lisp 17:55:50 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 17:56:02 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:56:06 if cl-irc were thread-safe, I'd say use a thread 17:56:33 p_l: thank you too! 17:56:50 my irc bot uses iolib with cl-irc, so it uses an iolib timer to schedule pings and timeouts 17:57:53 .....so I should read something about data streams I think.....any suggestion about what I can read? 17:58:04 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:23 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:58:24 hi. is there a common cause for a problem such that printing formatted output works in slime but not in an xterm repl (e.g. "sbcl --script file.lisp")? (if not I'll post a paste and ask for more specific help) 17:58:29 BlankVerse [~pankajm@192.241.216.75] has joined #lisp 17:58:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-23.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:59:05 what does "not work" mean here? 17:59:40 What stream are you printing to? Also, I usually have the alternative problem- not printing in slime. 18:00:03 pkhuong: sorry, I was unclear. I loop over a list with LOOP and use FORMAT to print each thing in the list. In SLIME I get all lines i expect, in an xterm the first line is printed 18:00:15 minion uses this https://github.com/stassats/lisp-bots/blob/master/irc-bot/connection.lisp 18:00:18 vlion: (format t ...) 18:00:47 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:12 Paste plz? 18:01:40 I'll paste my problem as detailed as I can, back shortly 18:01:50 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:23 -!- ignas [~ignas@ip-195-14-170-66.bnk.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:27 Bike [~Glossina@75-164-162-114.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:30 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [] 18:03:22 zickzackv [~faot@g225057106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:04:45 tankrim: are you using (finish-output)? 18:05:01 -!- namtsui` [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:20 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] 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18:14:47 tankrim: works here. 18:15:21 pkhuong: I see. probably something I'm doing (or not doing) then, I kind of suspected that 18:15:41 Oberon4278 [~dcrooksto@38.113.0.254] has joined #lisp 18:16:46 and that code is confused about mutating objects versus assignment to bindings, particularly special ones. 18:17:20 pkhuong: I won't deny that, i'm pretty new both to programming and common lisp 18:17:54 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-158-191.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 18:18:40 luckily both are hobbies and not something anyone depends on 18:19:01 even more reason to write good code! 18:19:19 i'm trying :) 18:19:24 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 18:20:49 -!- Oberon4278 is now known as Oberon_Phone 18:22:04 agumonkey [~agu@156.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:20 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:55 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: patrickwonders] 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19:30:42 any fix for that? 19:32:14 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 19:32:22 -!- pnpuff [~void@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 19:33:02 that doesn't look like the right place 19:33:05 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:33:36 -!- lkjh [~lkjh@170.20.11.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:24 karol`: for a quick fix, you can add a cc-flag form in libffi/libffi-unix.lisp 19:34:25 that's where arch's pacman put it. where should it go? 19:35:03 pkhuong: will try that, thanks 19:35:27 seangrov` [~user@2600:1010:b023:dc3e:e4a8:f171:69ca:291c] has joined #lisp 19:35:37 I'd expect somewhere in /usr/include. 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