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there a way to export and use a macro from one package in another package? 02:56:03 packages only handle symbols 02:56:11 you can export a symbol that refers to a macro 02:56:34 In this case, this snippet https://github.com/ahungry/glyphs/blob/master/glyphs.lisp is what I'm having trouble with 02:56:45 if i'm in my glyphs package, they work great 02:56:51 but in cl-user, the cond never expands 02:57:18 Which maccro? All of them? 02:57:40 Primarily the  and  02:57:52 didn't test the // and || outside of my glyphs package yet 02:57:54 ahungry: you should specify packages for INTERN. 02:58:04 Otherwise it will use the current value of CL:*PACKAGE* 02:58:20 e.g. (intern ... '#:glyphs) or similar 02:58:24 ah thanks Xach, let me give it a go 02:58:38 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:45 hm, "(and (symbolp arg) (equal ' (intern (string arg))))" seems suspicious 02:58:48 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:55 why not (string= ' arg) 02:59:06 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:32 inexperience :) 02:59:36 let me test it, thank you 03:01:18 ah no, string= fails 03:01:34 well, if I make that the only case 03:01:38 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:01:39 let me add the symbolp check in front again 03:01:41 fightback [~david@209-6-131-21.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:02:12 oh, yes. 03:02:24 when (and (symbolp arg) (string= ' arg)) 03:02:28 perfect 03:02:33 right, my mistake. 03:02:35 and now I learned something about intern and string comparison 03:02:36 thanks guys 03:03:03 the reason string= works, specifically, is that string= takes a "string designator", which includes strings but also symbols (in which case it does basically symbol-name implicitly) 03:03:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has joined #lisp 03:03:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has quit [Changing host] 03:03:59 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:04:35 oh very nice 03:05:22 <|3b|> instead of all the (- iter 1) (which could be (1- iter)), maybe you want FOR PREV = ARG before FOR ARG IN REST? 03:05:59 <|3b|> or possibly FOR (PREV ARG NEXT) ON REST 03:11:03 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 03:11:48 <|3b|> might also want to consider what happens when there are more or less than 2 forms between ' 03:12:29 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.91.49] has joined #lisp 03:12:41 hi. i am having a problem installing commonqt. i get the error "[Condition of type ASDF:OPERATION-ERROR]". please help 03:13:22 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:13:32 -!- fightback [~david@209-6-131-21.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 03:15:59 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 03:15:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:26 Do you have the prerequisites installed? 03:16:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has joined #lisp 03:16:35 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has quit [Changing host] 03:16:35 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:19:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 03:19:32 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:20:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has joined #lisp 03:20:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.10.5] has quit [Changing host] 03:20:19 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:22:16 nbouscal [~nbouscal@75.106.62.19] has joined #lisp 03:22:37 -!- Pip [~Pip__@unaffiliated/pip] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:22:41 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1168090361.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:22:46 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@75.106.62.19] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 03:22:51 -!- adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:23:54 -!- callen [~callen@198.199.80.102] has quit [Changing host] 03:23:54 callen [~callen@unaffiliated/callen] has joined #lisp 03:23:59 adnap [~adnap@cpe-70-112-164-154.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:29:22 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.103.146] has joined #lisp 03:34:05 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:45 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 03:36:27 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:38:03 -!- ebobby [~fms@173.228.63.34] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:39:20 pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.15.253] has joined #lisp 03:39:21 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@122.164.15.253] has quit [Changing host] 03:39:21 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 03:40:32 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 03:46:09 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 03:46:57 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:48:58 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:54:43 -!- Kruppe [~user@CPE602ad0938e9a-CM602ad0938e97.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:55:12 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:57:04 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 04:01:09 is there a way to have a macro nested in a macro and require the inner one to expand before hte outer one reads it? 04:01:22 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:01:24 For instance, using my glyphs program, I want to pass it to parenscript's ps 04:01:24 have the outer macro call macroexpand 04:01:48 doesn't parenscript have a functional version? 04:01:49 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 04:04:18 the (ps* just ends up attempting to eval the entire thing down 04:04:19 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:04:50 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 04:04:58 <|3b|> define your macros as ps macros too? 04:05:08 -!- copec is now known as copec_ 04:05:37 good idea 04:05:39 -!- copec_ is now known as copec 04:10:50 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 04:11:07 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: ] 04:11:49 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fekortlmtfdeklta] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 04:13:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-225.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:14:41 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:44 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:17:20 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 04:21:13 fridim_ [~fridim@65.93.78.88] has joined #lisp 04:24:13 -!- ericmathison [~ericmathi@172.15.249.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:24:31 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:25:25 -!- homie__ [~homie@xdsl-78-35-133-178.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30:40 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 04:45:43 Xach yes i do have prerequisites installed 04:47:27 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49:05 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-196-60-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:49:53 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:50:19 Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has joined #lisp 04:53:02 jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:05 hi. i am having a problem installing commonqt. i get the error "Error while invoking # on #SO "qt" "so" "commonqt"> [Condition of type ASDF:OPERATION-ERROR]". please help 04:53:08 -!- Karl_dscc [~localhost@ipdsw03.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:34 slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has joined #lisp 04:57:15 -!- jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:57:41 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 04:59:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: breathing] 05:03:26 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:aac0:a9d4:5cd8:50ac:65c4] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:03:53 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:06:19 :| 05:07:38 theos: did you try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH? just a thought 05:07:56 DataLinkDroid how to set it? :D 05:08:34 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1168090361.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 05:09:10 found it. i dont think thats the issue though 05:09:30 ok 05:09:47 -!- codd64 [~admin@148.Red-79-148-241.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:10:07 it looks like the .so library is not being found to me (could be wrong) 05:10:29 asdf is supposed to compile it no? 05:10:46 maybe there is some other way to indicate a library search path 05:11:07 how wold asdf compile a CPP library? 05:11:08 "The ASDF system runs make for you automatically to build the C++ wrapper library libcommonqt.so " 05:11:22 i see 05:11:28 that would be a C wrapper 05:11:48 ok 05:11:53 do you have the dev tool chain installed? 05:12:07 i do. i guess 05:12:24 libqt4-dev libsmokeqtgui4-3 05:12:27 perhaps it can't compile because it can't find a compiler?? what platform are you on? 05:12:38 i am on ubuntu 05:12:50 x86 05:12:57 ok 05:13:58 use synaptic and see if you have something like "build-essential" installed. 05:17:24 i do 05:18:24 theos: i'm out of ideas then atm :( 05:18:33 thanks for trying :) 05:19:00 i think gcc covers c++ building? 05:19:27 http://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/ 05:19:29 yes but i think it's invoked with g++ as the command 05:21:07 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:21 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:22 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:30:13 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:30:19 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:19 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:32:41 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.91.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:34:16 -!- fentonTraversAnd [~androirc@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:36:06 benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-82-168.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 05:36:32 theos, commonqt is package in ubuntu? 05:36:48 drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:38:37 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:40:55 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:41:40 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 05:44:38 -!- nicdev [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:44:39 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:44:39 -!- nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:fb24] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:29 nicdev [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 05:45:58 rszeno is it? 05:46:34 i don't know, this is why i asked, :) 05:46:51 its not. i just checked repositories 05:48:43 rszeno you got ideas? 05:48:48 i don't use ubuntu but since is upstream to debian many things work on it too 05:49:04 yea it should work :/ 05:49:06 if you don't have a deb, is hard 05:49:44 commonqt is a CL package. quicklisp has it. but idonno why it cant be installed 05:50:30 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.22.20] has joined #lisp 05:50:41 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:51:00 i have no idea but problems i had was because asdf and cffi are keept by common-lisp-controler to the old version 05:51:04 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.22.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:51:11 oh 05:53:26 i suppose the only way to make lisp to work properly on debian is to uninstall all related debs and build by hand or to fix the debs 05:54:06 this mean all is lisp and depend on clc 05:54:31 :| 05:54:41 i think i am missing a dev lib 05:54:59 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.206.78] has joined #lisp 05:55:20 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56:25 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.144.206.78] has quit [Client Quit] 05:56:59 maybe i need qt dev tools. its 100mb :D 05:57:05 if dependeces are updated you can find them with apt-cache depends libsmokeqtgui4-3 for example 05:57:43 and same for libqt4-dev 05:58:01 thanks. nice tip 05:58:03 nightshade427 [nightshade@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:feae:fb24] has joined #lisp 05:58:20 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 05:58:46 or just try to build them using dpkg-buildpackage 05:59:14 this way will tell what is missing 06:00:18 theos, 'apt-get source libqt4-dev' then cd into the dir and do 'dpkg-buildpackage' 06:00:56 dependencies look good 06:01:42 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:02:17 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-irdviykupfnascxq] has joined #lisp 06:02:34 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:03:25 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:03:25 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:03:25 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:04:44 apt-cache is looking in the dsc of the package and sometime dependences are missing from dsc but are ok inside the package 06:06:01 installed. still same problem 06:07:22 https://github.com/mame/quine-relay <- WHOA 06:10:11 theos, you know the location of the .so ? 06:10:13 -!- ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:10:47 rszeno its not compiled yet? 06:12:08 find? find /lib -name '*common*' 06:12:29 or where should be /usr/lib 06:12:32 i did a find on all system 06:12:56 jangle_ [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-188-93.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 06:13:10 dpkg -L package-name will show files 06:13:57 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@ip-64-134-188-93.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:13:58 -!- jangle_ is now known as jangle 06:14:04 find prune some directories and depend on updatedb 06:14:31 /usr/lib/libsmokeqtgui.so.3 06:14:43 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15:04 but its not libcommonqt.so 06:15:11 try a ldd /usr/lib/libsmokeqtgui.so.3 | grep 'not found' 06:15:34 if something is missing will show else is a path problem 06:15:48 no output 06:16:07 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 06:16:09 then is ok, must be other so or the path to so 06:16:29 we are looking for libcommonqt.so? 06:17:11 i don't know, you can find what doesn't work in lisp? 06:17:30 backtrace or else? 06:18:54 maybe first thing to check is what version of asdf see the interpreter 06:19:53 hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has joined #lisp 06:19:53 -!- hkBst [~marijn@80.120.175.18] has quit [Changing host] 06:19:53 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:20:27 -!- isomorph1smes is now known as isomorphismes 06:23:16 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:23:23 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@107.200.11.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:23:49 backtrace doesnt show any error afais 06:24:22 and *asdf-version* ? 06:26:33 how do i find asdf version? :D 06:27:05 in sbcl type, inside interpretor, asdf::*asdf-version* 06:27:19 thanks 06:27:26 welcome, :) 06:27:57 i use to forget so usualy i do (apropos "asdf") before 06:28:32 The function ASDF::*ASDF-VERSION* is undefined. 06:28:38 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-82-168.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:50 its in autocomplete though 06:28:57 Should just be a variable 06:29:22 and (list-all-packages) show that asdf is visible? 06:31:24 cant find it in the list 06:31:50 then (require 'asdf) 06:33:20 i loaded it 06:35:00 File error: Cannot open load file, asdf 06:37:00 maybe i need to give load path 06:37:08 cibs [~cibs@60-251-40-253.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 06:37:49 -!- mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:40:16 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@222.209.243.41] has left #lisp 06:42:30 how is happend to not be already there? did you build sbcl by hand? 06:43:31 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 06:43:49 i dont remember 06:44:01 ok 06:44:21 SBCL 1.1.1.0.debian 06:44:40 i usually build from source so its highly probable i built sbcl from source too 06:46:09 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.251.53] has joined #lisp 06:47:38 are many patches, wrappers, all kind of stuff in debian, so building from sources using debs and by hand give different results 06:48:30 probably is better by hand if you have time to do it, :) 06:48:50 yes :) 06:49:05 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:52 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:53:31 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-wafdmeriiqitseqw] has joined #lisp 06:54:02 this is so frustrating :| 06:54:45 benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-82-168.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 06:54:54 yes, need a lot of patience 06:56:03 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 06:56:07 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 06:56:43 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:57:51 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:58:22 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:59:23 looks like asdf problem 07:02:42 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-196-106.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:04:16 Greetings! 07:05:17 hey! 07:06:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.201] has joined #lisp 07:06:58 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.201] has quit [Changing host] 07:06:58 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:06:58 dheerajrav [~dheeraj@122.172.121.49] has joined #lisp 07:07:08 how can I install yason library for lisp? 07:07:18 any easy way of doing ths? 07:07:31 quicklisp? 07:07:55 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 07:08:50 dheerajrav, http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 07:09:21 rszeno, thanks. Can I install libraries using clisp? Or should I use sbcl only? 07:09:49 i suppose it work with clisp too 07:10:09 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10:46 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-tvxbydrpgoakzpne] has joined #lisp 07:10:47 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-tvxbydrpgoakzpne] has quit [Changing host] 07:10:47 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 07:11:16 quicklisp is sure it work with many implementations, will complain if doesn't know what you use 07:11:37 ah ok 07:11:43 installing 07:12:17 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:12:25 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 07:12:28 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 07:12:34 holy cow! i needed the libsmokeqt4-dev package :D commonqt is installed now 07:13:33 if someone can edit this http://common-lisp.net/project/commonqt/ please add libsmokeqt4-dev in the dependencies list to help other people. 07:13:56 but is there, or i'm wrong? 07:14:18 i couldnt find it :? 07:14:23 (ql:quicklisp "yason") 07:14:47 see the "Dependecies (C++)" section 07:15:00 is a line sudo apt-get ... 07:15:23 i installed both packages. they dont install libsmokeqt4-dev 07:15:40 theos: commonqt works horribly, I doesn't work on osx where smokeqt was installed with brew for example. 07:16:01 the gui lib should ask for it 07:16:03 hitecnologys fortunately, i dont use osx :D 07:16:13 getting the C++ side of commonqt isn't exactly simple for the first time 07:16:14 -!- benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-82-168.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 07:16:35 hitecnologys: if I were using OSX, I'd be on CCL with its ObjC bridge :P 07:16:52 hitecnologys do you suggest another qt lib? 07:16:59 ltk? 07:17:03 p_l: this is not cross-platform. 07:17:29 dont like tk :| 07:17:48 fentonTraversAnd [~androirc@49.231.101.110] has joined #lisp 07:18:06 ok, is personal, i don't like qt in general, :) 07:18:31 You can try cl-smoke, it worked for me a log time ago. 07:18:32 me neither. i was going for gtk instead 07:19:03 For gtk there's wonderful library called cells-gtk, try this one too. 07:19:22 i read about it yesterday. its under development 07:19:39 or they didnt update the page 07:19:41 But it worked great for me. 07:19:50 yea it looks great 07:20:01 It was about a year ago so now it may be broken. 07:20:13 :< 07:20:38 I consider getting any version of cells to work outside ACL to be a success :> 07:21:00 Anyway, now I use ncurses. Ncurses works great and works everywhere. And if something is broken I can wrote my own cffi wrapper because ncurses is simple. 07:21:08 p_l: it worked under sbcl for me, lol 07:21:14 Package QL does not exist. 07:21:25 Ah, damn, s/I can wrote/I can write/ 07:21:28 I get this error while installing libraries through quicklist 07:21:35 *quicklisp 07:21:45 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-196-106.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:21:52 who to fix this? 07:22:03 dheerajrav: you should install qt first with you OS package manager (emerge qt, apt-get qt or something) 07:22:18 isnt ncurses for command line and not gui? 07:22:26 is there another way of installing? Other than quicklisp? 07:22:33 dherajrav, *package* value? 07:22:35 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 07:22:36 I just want to install cl-json 07:22:41 theos: ncurses is gui for command line, yeah, but it's gui. 07:22:59 dheerajrav its ql error. you need to install quicklisp correctly. follow all steps on the page 07:23:00 rszeno, as in? 07:23:20 type *package* and see 07:23:32 Oh crap, I didn't read it correctly. 07:23:52 rszeno, I get this # 07:23:54 You should load quicklisp first and write (ql:add-to-init-file) 07:24:23 dheerajrav: (load "quicklisp") (ql:add-to-init-file) 07:24:41 or simple load every time without adding it to init 07:25:29 Or add to initfile, load sbcl and save core. Instant loading, saved time, saved money. 07:25:56 antoszka [~antoszka@89-76-91-235.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 07:25:58 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@89-76-91-235.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:25:58 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 07:27:07 I get this error 07:27:08 https://gist.github.com/dheerajrav/4ff9912511089d75c425 07:27:10 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-40-227.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:11 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75585a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:19 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:27:23 hitecnologys, ^^ 07:27:39 (load "quicklisp.lisp") 07:28:06 sbcl --load whatever should be equivalent. 07:28:14 antoszka, that didn't work 07:28:28 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 07:28:59 By (load "quicklisp") I mean load installed quicklisp. 07:29:20 For me it's (load "~/.quicklisp/setup.lisp") 07:29:59 But I have a custom install path so your location of setup lisp may differ. 07:30:26 http://mamememo.blogspot.no/2010/09/qlobe.html 07:31:09 hitecnologys, got it working. Thanks :) 07:31:26 rszeno, theos , thank you 07:31:35 :) 07:31:52 welcome, :) 07:31:52 mathrick: how is it related to CL? 07:32:00 dheerajrav: np 07:32:49 hitecnologys: I linked the cyclical quine before which contains CL, this is related and by the same guy. Also it's damn cool programming 07:33:37 mathrick: yeah, it's absolutely cool, I agree. I just didn't know it contains CL. Where can I find sources or something? 07:34:13 https://github.com/mame/quine-relay 07:34:22 hitecnologys: the globe quine doesn't, as far as I know, it's pure ruby. https://github.com/mame/quine-relay does 07:34:32 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:35:40 Oh god, 50 languages... 07:36:26 antgreen_ [~green@207.112.99.60] has joined #lisp 07:39:03 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-67-82.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:39:29 dRbiG [drbig@178.217.184.41] has joined #lisp 07:39:48 hitecnologys, now how do I access cl-json across multiple sessions of lisp? 07:39:54 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 07:39:59 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:40:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:40:46 dheerajrav, working with packages? 07:40:59 dheerajrav: what do you mean by multiple sessins? 07:41:22 dheerajrav: if you have multiple sbcl's running, you need to (ql:quickload "cl-json") in each of them of course. 07:41:33 rszeno, As in. Now if I logout and login back to sbcl. How can I use cl-json which I downloaded. Ahh ok 07:41:49 load, require, use-package, in-package, defpackage, etc. 07:42:18 jewel [~jewel@105-236-99-241.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:42:36 dheerajrav, http://www.flownet.com/gat/packages.pdf 07:42:41 dheerajrav: asdf doesn't download anything, ql doesn't download anything if it's already here. So either (ql:quickload "cl-json") or (asdf:load-system "cl-json) 07:43:09 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 07:43:15 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:43:16 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 07:44:24 -!- ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45:16 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Client Quit] 07:45:33 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 07:45:46 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:45:53 Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 07:48:19 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:48:39 Is (apply #'something arguments list) much slower than (something arguments list)? First one uses &rest in lambda list but another is without &rest. 07:51:29 why to use apply if you can use directly something? 07:51:39 -!- kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:52:06 kbtr [~kbtr@li198-73.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 07:52:36 Well, apply needs to fiddle about with lists of unknown lengths and prepare a function call dynamically. 07:52:42 A simple call doesn't. 07:52:46 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-ghhnlvamnqkwsfik] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53:11 Although in some cases, the compiler might be able to transform one to the other. 07:54:09 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@S010610ddb1c81950.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:51 what i asked was why to do (apply #something arg-list) when you can do (something arg-list), :) 07:54:54 rszeno: because something can be used directly without any higher order functions. 07:55:01 madrik [~user@122.175.197.12] has joined #lisp 07:56:11 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-apxfbrfbgooqgdmv] has joined #lisp 07:57:46 then why to not use it directly? 07:59:04 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 07:59:27 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:59:34 rszeno: are you saying there is no need for APPLY? 08:00:14 no, i'm saying there is no need to use it if you don't use higher order function 08:00:36 and how does this apply to original question? 08:01:51 as i understand this "Is (apply #'something arguments list) much slower than (something arguments list)?" is about choose to use apply or not, right? 08:02:20 Gooder [~user@58.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has joined #lisp 08:02:56 in the specific context when we use list of args with both apply and something 08:02:58 no, it's about the performance hit of using APPLY 08:03:36 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:04:22 is obvious that using apply is indirect so even if difference is very small apply is slower 08:04:34 how much slower? 08:04:53 and it's not so obvious 08:05:02 rszeno: I function 'something' it used by higher order functions but it's allowed to use it directly so I just wanted to make sure that it's not that slower to remove apply. 08:05:03 and there are cases when there's no performance hit 08:05:04 Well, it will depend on the implementation and how smart the compiler is. 08:05:14 As always ... profile first. 08:05:22 sure, but back to my question why to use apply in this condition? 08:06:46 hitecnologys: so you think that using APPLY should actually be faster than direct call? 08:06:49 rszeno: because &rest allows user not to write (something '((lalala stuff) (another stuff))) but write (something '(arg 1) '(arg 2)) 08:06:57 jdz: slower of course 08:07:01 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c8b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 08:07:12 jdz: I'm just curious how much slower 08:07:29 -!- capisce [~srodal@ti0063a380-0987.bb.online.no] has quit [Changing host] 08:07:29 capisce [~srodal@oftn/member/capisce] has joined #lisp 08:10:21 hmm cells-gtk is causing problems installing. Unable to load any of the alternatives: ("libglut.so" "libglut.so.3") 08:10:34 cl-glut bug maybe? 08:11:11 theos: it's complaining about the system library, libglut.so 08:11:18 theos: do you have it installed? 08:11:36 jdz how do i install it? via repositories or quicklisp? 08:12:09 theos: using your system's package manager 08:13:33 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 08:13:53 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 08:14:08 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:14:08 thanks 08:14:24 bobbysmith0071 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:16 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:16:57 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-wafdmeriiqitseqw] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:57 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:17:21 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 08:18:37 -!- kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-vyiiqimzqkgobzcl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:06 kirin` [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-fyhcquavgspqpmlm] has joined #lisp 08:22:16 -!- dheerajrav [~dheeraj@122.172.121.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24:54 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:26:13 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:29:39 Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 08:33:34 benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-253.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has joined #lisp 08:33:53 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75c8b7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:34:17 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 08:35:52 dheerajrav [~dheeraj@122.172.121.49] has joined #lisp 08:37:43 -!- dheerajrav [~dheeraj@122.172.121.49] has left #lisp 08:51:51 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 08:53:57 harish [~harish@cm32.zeta224.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 09:05:50 -!- fentonTraversAnd [~androirc@49.231.101.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:01 Are there any limits of elements count passed to &rest? Is this possible that (list ...) will throw error that I passed too many stuff? 09:14:18 CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT probably applies 09:14:35 bitonic [~user@ppp-243-184.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 09:14:53 Yeah, that's why ask. I'm not sure about it too. 09:15:55 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 09:18:12 if your list was supplied via &REST, in theory there may not be more than what can be supplied to a function 09:19:15 remains to take care in your own code not to exceed the arguments limit when using APPLY with a list that may be close to or reach the limit 09:19:18 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:19:27 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 09:19:31 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:20:00 In this case I need to replace all my (list stuff) in macros to (reduce #'cons stuff), damn. 09:21:43 hmm if the caller can supply arbirary sized lists, why not require a list as parameter instead of &REST? 09:23:10 BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:23:33 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-4-18.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:04 The problem is that I parse input passed to macro and then I need to paste result as a list. 09:25:30 The problem is that contents of this list may be evaluated so I can't just use quit. 09:25:37 s/quit/quote/ 09:25:42 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 09:26:30 Oh, I didn't notice that I started both sentences with the same words. 09:27:26 Thra11 [~Thra11@46.208.96.185] has joined #lisp 09:27:51 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@host-77-46-236-24.midco.net] has quit [Quit: jocke_pirat] 09:28:38 -!- nug700 [~nug700@174-26-153-44.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:28:47 quasiquotation help? 09:31:11 also, the &BODY of macros don't have that argument limit limitation of course 09:32:13 phadthai: but I can't paste list in code if it exceedes CALL-ARGUMENTS-LIMIT. 09:37:42 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:41:33 -!- robgssp [~user@cpe-24-93-28-218.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:42:50 stardiviner [~quassel@218.74.179.222] has joined #lisp 09:43:07 maybe i miss something, but call-arguments-limit here is 536870911, :) 09:43:49 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 09:45:28 -!- benkard [~benkard@dhcp-138-246-84-253.dynamic.eduroam.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 09:46:12 For me it's 4611686018427387903 09:46:54 both are pretty big, imo 09:47:08 Sure. 09:47:54 -!- Gooder [~user@58.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:49:10 with such a big number of arguments probably will occure other problems before exceding the limit 09:50:02 I'm not sure if I have enough memory to handle this number of elements. 09:51:51 memory is a problem, speed of processing second, probably are others too 09:52:41 stack size, is something called recursive and without tco 09:52:54 s/is/if/ 09:53:04 s/is/if is/ 09:57:11 parsing input, evaluation, sound like a virtual machine to me 10:02:31 pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:03:06 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:21 pierpa`` [~user@host82-222-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 10:06:04 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this http://www.w3.org/2005/04/fresnel-info/ 10:45:45 sorry, wrong link, let me find the good one, :) 10:46:13 yes, this one, http://www.w3.org/2005/04/fresnel-info/manual/ 10:47:14 Looks nice, I'll read this later, thanks. 10:47:17 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:47:31 expressing rdf as s-expr is pretty simple 10:48:29 pkhuong: Re http://discontinuity.info/~pkhuong/gf-sealing.lisp ... any chance that some methods can be declared to be inlined? 10:49:04 I actually already wrote css generator, it was pretty easy too. 10:49:58 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.103.146] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:51:14 setmeaway2 [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 10:51:16 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:51:19 -!- setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:51:54 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 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Combinatorial explosion, for one. I think it's possible to get it under control for normal method combinations. Otherwise, we'd need some staticness guarantees on the class hierarchy and/or mostly go for static specialisation and simplified inline caching. 12:28:20 pkhuong: What I'd like to have is to remove the generic function overhead in places where "the"[1] method could be safely determined. 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I call the same generic function again, but with different arguments. 13:28:24 find 1 does not work with :start and :end right now 13:28:51 does not work fast 13:29:31 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:48 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:29:56 or maybe it does now 13:30:02 SBCL's own performance depends on a few bitvector operations, so nikodemus gave them some love in 2011. 13:30:53 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:15 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops|away 13:31:23 -!- Triclops|away is now known as Triclops256|away 13:32:03 flip214: now find a way to determine that. Really, if you only need normal method combination, without next method, and you're OK with defining everything ahead of time, it'll be simpler to roll your own dispatch system. 13:32:47 davazp [~user@204.Red-79-153-96.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:11 That's what I was afraid of ;) Of course I can simply register code fragments via some macro and insert the correct one, but that doesn't feel right. 13:33:25 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:34:16 -!- sellout [~Adium@209.117.47.248] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:35:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-196-106.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:30 -!- sharad- [sharad@stumbled.upon.a.broken-pipe.info] has left #lisp 13:37:22 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.104.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:39:07 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 13:40:03 have you guys seen ChangeSafe? 13:40:19 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@62.182.192.239] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 13:40:46 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 13:41:40 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:43:19 petrounias_ [~petrounia@ppp-94-67-241-152.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 13:44:36 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 13:45:13 I have. 13:45:46 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-94-67-255-234.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:45:46 -!- petrounias_ is now known as petrounias 13:46:21 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@62.182.192.239] has joined #lisp 13:46:24 Xach: is it centralized or a DVCS? It's difficult to google for information 13:46:53 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-162-33.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:47:09 is it written in CL? 13:47:40 Denommus: I don't know. 13:47:45 There is no information but the source code. 13:47:47 stassats: Yes. 13:47:56 Well, and jrm's white paper. 13:48:05 http://xach.com/lisp/changesafe.html 13:48:31 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.83] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:51:11 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:51:40 I'm having a wild fantasies about ChangeSage, like using it from a REPL and making it as extensible as Emacs 13:51:46 but... no informations yet 13:52:24 That page has interesting info. The source code needs to be wrestled into modern buildability. 13:53:50 petrounias_ [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-25-160.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 13:55:21 asobrasil [~andre_oli@64.119.216.178] has joined #lisp 13:55:41 Xach: the reason for it existing is fine, but... running as a Java applet on a client? I think this make it clear that: A - It is centralized. B - Fucking Java applets 13:56:16 /quit 13:56:17 petrounias__ [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-51-134.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 13:56:23 fail ha, brb 13:56:23 -!- petrounias [~petrounia@ppp-94-67-241-152.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:24 -!- petrounias__ is now known as petrounias 13:56:27 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:56:51 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:56:58 jlongster [~user@pool-72-84-229-181.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:06 I don't think it's necessarily interesting to run as it was originally intended. I hope it will be interesting to see how a commercial CLOS persistence system was designed by a professional CL hacker. 13:57:06 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-162-33.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:57:32 a *transactional* CLOS persistence system! 13:57:34 Of course, it could be the type of code that was written under deadline pressure and hacked into half-workingness. 13:57:50 Time & study will tell! 13:58:10 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-162-33.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:58:14 -!- petrounias_ [~petrounia@ppp-2-85-25-160.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:19 yeah, deadline pressure transformed my ideal markup language written in a Lisp into creating my screens directly in C++ 13:59:40 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 13:59:45 Denommus: anyway, there are people who, if they write an article or share some software, I want to check it out. joe marshall is one of those people. 14:00:11 pstore/ looks like nice code to me... except for the MOPery. I have little clue about that part, but (defmethod foo #+lispworks (...) [body]) doesn't inspire confidence ;) 14:00:14 indeed 14:00:44 well, they didn't always have closer-mop, did they? :) 14:01:40 p_l: there's no #-lispworks. 14:01:49 well, I'm going back to hacking. 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seconds] 20:42:17 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abod149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:43:23 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abny30.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:45:51 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:50:09 Heh. I just looked at Planet Lisp and found that I'm not the only one to have complaints about postmodern. (-: 20:51:08 breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:52:14 rova [~rova@189.249.64.150] has joined #lisp 20:52:27 hey good compiler for CL in trisquel? 20:53:13 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:58 rova: SBCL 20:54:06 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:38 *jasom* had never heard of trisquel 20:56:03 it's a linux distro. 20:56:10 Bike: google told me that 20:57:01 jasom: omg , you totally should try trisquel in your PC you will free proud using it ... free as in freedom 20:57:17 Is there a way to get all the 'keys' in a plist or map through them? 20:57:37 PuercoPop: (loop for x in plist by #'cddr) 20:58:08 thanks! 20:58:29 ... free() as in malloc? 21:00:45 -!- BitPuffin [~quassel@s193-13-104-175.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:01:01 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:04:50 jagaj [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:49 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:07:23 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:30 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:30 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:11:30 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 21:12:13 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:21 -!- rova [~rova@189.249.64.150] has left #lisp 21:14:59 I would have asked why trisquel instead of any other GNU/Linux, but then he went away 21:15:58 that would be off topic. 21:16:44 Bike: I know, I'm not being serious 21:17:17 trisquel comes with sbcl ? 21:17:42 hm. Is there an open source application that uses ECL as an embeddable language? 21:18:45 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.83] has joined #lisp 21:20:45 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:27:26 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: mental vacuum] 21:27:56 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:28:19 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:30:18 -!- GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:26 GuilOooo [~GuilOooo@178.20.70.196] has joined #lisp 21:31:16 -!- ph88 [5597cc14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.151.204.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:37:50 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:39:40 -!- camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-a-161.princeton.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:40:23 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-196-106.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:41:31 -!- Blkt_ is now known as Blkt 21:42:20 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:43:35 -!- Triclops256|away is now known as Triclops256 21:44:41 zRecursive [~czsq888@222.209.240.235] has joined #lisp 21:46:46 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:50:52 Is this a proper way to merge plists? https://gist.github.com/PuercoPop/6015465 21:51:30 you can just append... 21:51:37 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:52 Ahh you are right, because the duplicates would be shadowed! 21:53:25 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abod149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55:21 (alexandria:hash-table-plist (alexandria:plist-hash-table plist)) 21:55:52 and it doesn't work as expected 21:55:59 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:56:15 and its behaviour isn't documented 21:56:30 but if it were, that'd be a nice way if you need to get rid of duplicate keys 21:59:10 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:59:27 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 21:59:31 PuercoPop: why on earth is *merged-list* a special variable? 22:00:02 and why are you appending to the end instead of just pushing? 22:00:25 and what if the value is NIL, getf will return NIL and will fail to merge 22:01:02 -!- statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-227-109.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:01:02 and you don't need to copy it 22:01:08 Haven't thought of that case 22:01:15 basically, everything about it is wrong 22:02:59 Can I destructively modify lexical-variables? 22:03:12 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-84-187.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:03:46 you can change values of all kinds of variables 22:04:02 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 22:04:13 where are you getting your list of misconceptions? is it some nefarious book you're reading? 22:05:10 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-232-94.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:11:00 benkard [~benkard@ppp-88-217-82-168.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #lisp 22:13:43 No book just me tinkering with cl and asking questions on IRC. The idea of the special I got it from you, from loop I was doing but I must have failed to understand you correctly. But even so I am not destructively modifying anything so it makes no sense still. 22:15:59 so, no book, there's your problem 22:18:08 -!- jsime [~jsime@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:21:28 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:22:31 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:23:09 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:25:25 I meant I wasn't getting the ideas from a Book. I worked through PCL last year and are reading through Keene's Book. But I also have to write some code to properly learn CL. But I do agree that the code was indefensible. 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