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timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:22 hwiersma [~hwiersma@d50-92-237-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 01:43:02 quazimodo [~quazimodo@d110-33-17-116.bla800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:43:42 fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-55-195.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #lisp 01:44:29 is it proper to have a LET withn a tag body and to exit that lexical env using go to a tag before it and then reentering it again? (e.g. continually looping over same let until a condition is satisfied) 01:44:38 -!- harish [~harish@119.234.185.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45:00 I dsont want to accumulate garbage in other words 01:45:06 it works, if that's what you mean 01:45:21 (loop (let ...)) does that, after all 01:45:40 I'm more familiar with doing this with catch/throw which I know unwindds the stack in the manner Im seeking 01:46:04 ok. Ive just never used tag body yet. 01:46:39 lexical scope is a static (compile-time) construct. 01:47:36 -!- lazyr0t [~lazyr0t@c-24-98-175-231.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:47:46 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:13 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 01:48:53 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:11 msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has joined #lisp 01:50:22 lazyr0t [~lazyr0t@c-24-98-175-231.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:52 in other words its not that if I exit via a go, it no longer exists; it only seems to exists because I happen to be in a section of code that was affected by it at compile time? 01:51:10 -!- lazyr0t [~lazyr0t@c-24-98-175-231.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:51:56 that is probably a lousy way to express it but I think I get the gist of what you mean. 01:52:09 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 01:52:49 in any event i don't have to resort to catch/throw which was my concern 01:54:01 when does one need prog? ever? 01:54:15 -!- breakds [~breakds@cpe-74-79-147-26.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:56:30 if 01:56:47 I've never come across anything that ever used it 01:57:02 <_tca> i use it for brevity 01:59:06 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-126-167-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 01:59:16 instead of something like (let ((..)) (tagbody )) ? 01:59:59 <_tca> yes, and it gives you a block to return to so you dont need an "end" tag 02:00:52 <_tca> i usually to set up some bindings or containers before a tagbody so i usually end up using prog 02:00:58 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:01:17 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.86.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:19 you can (return-from progname ..) instead 02:02:14 <_tca> yea you can, it's just a macro with no primitives 02:02:17 or just (return-from nil ...) 02:02:26 cool. 02:02:36 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-btbdcriqtqottslw] has joined #lisp 02:03:08 -!- jocke_pirat [~kgarricks@host-77-46-236-24.midco.net] has quit [Quit: jocke_pirat] 02:05:35 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip70-178-95-137.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:20 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.224.104] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08:02 estebistec [~estebiste@72.133.228.205] has 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I.e. a string delimited by newline to a list of strings. 07:26:40 bitonic [~user@ppp-93-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 07:26:54 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 07:27:14 hello 07:28:12 i've seen planet lisp and the new post about plot-window. i wanted to try this out, but it's not in quicklisp: https://github.com/bhyde/plot-window 07:32:26 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-93-137.27-151.libero.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:27 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:33:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:33:45 hajovonta: Hi! 07:33:53 hajovonta: what is your question then? ;) 07:34:29 bitonic [~user@ppp-93-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 07:35:40 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:36:06 mrSpec: um. if you take a look at the link, in the readme, the author says it can load in quicklisp. but it's not. i'm just curious about the reason: a) is the author lying, and his project never made into quicklisp, b) it was in quicklisp, but it was taken out, c) something is broken and it should be in quicklisp, or x). 07:36:49 no, its true 07:36:51 there is "(ql:quickload "plot-window")" 07:37:04 you need to clone it to ~/quicklisp/localprojects/ and it will work ;) 07:37:26 ah. x) then. "i'm dumb" :) 07:37:28 thanks. 07:37:37 (if its really not in quicklisp :) but I didnt try) 07:38:17 i tried to find it on the webpage list and via ql:system-apropos 07:38:59 -!- jeff280 [~Jeff@c-69-181-192-147.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jeff280] 07:39:42 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 07:41:05 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:20 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:46:25 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:47:01 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 07:48:06 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 07:48:09 -!- hwiersma [~hwiersma@d50-92-237-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 07:48:57 kanru [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:16 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has quit [Quit: spacefrogg] 07:53:18 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53:32 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has joined #lisp 07:53:39 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has quit [Changing host] 07:53:39 spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 07:53:54 -!- p_nathan [~vlion@174-21-140-82.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:54:10 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:16 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:57:22 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:20 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:01:08 kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-239-139.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 08:01:19 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 08:04:14 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07:46 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 08:12:35 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:43 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 08:20:16 -!- fenton [~fenton@ppp-124-121-55-195.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:26 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:20:58 carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:22:48 hello hajovonta, how are you? 08:22:48 hitecnologys, memo from pjb: have a look at (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper) (documentation (find-package "CL-STEPPER") t) 08:25:00 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:02 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:10 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:25:40 hello hitecnologys 08:26:28 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 08:27:16 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.113.175.245] has joined #lisp 08:27:35 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:28:52 i evaluated (equal * (eval +)) and sbcl crashed 08:28:55 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has joined #lisp 08:29:10 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 08:29:24 it's from let over lambda 08:29:38 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 08:29:52 hajovonta: what did you evaluate before that? 08:30:11 (asdf:load-system :asdf) 08:30:19 hajovonta: * expands into result of previous command 08:30:28 (equal * (eval -)) is more fun 08:30:46 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:30:48 or evaluating (equal * (eval +)) twice 08:30:58 What does (eval -) mean? 08:30:59 I know what perl eval does. 08:31:03 What does lisp eval do? 08:31:13 hitecnologys: it means evaluate the value of - 08:31:13 fenton: Such a function may be named split-string or split-sequence. Note that newlines may be composed of two characters, depending on the platform. If you want to place a newline in a string, use the character designator #\Newline. 08:31:15 stassats`: sbcl crashes for these too 08:31:17 Teratogen: it evaluates epxression 08:31:26 Teratogen: it performs evil 08:31:36 stassats`: and what is the value of - then? 08:31:53 clhs -/v 08:32:00 bloody netsplit 08:32:17 \me notes that fenton has left and sighs. 08:33:12 specbot [~specbot@common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 08:33:15 clhs -/v 08:33:16 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v__.htm 08:33:44 but is it a bug or feature ? 08:33:54 i mean sbcl to crash on that 08:33:54 what is? 08:34:08 i'll let you decide for yourself 08:34:11 stassats`: sbcl crashes on (equal * (eval +)) 08:35:08 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:35:09 hajovonta: how does SBCL crash? 08:35:20 does it make an explosion sound? 08:35:44 why would someone need this - thing? 08:35:46 no. i get a window that states it has stopped working unexpectedly or something like that 08:35:53 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-232-189.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:09 I can't imagine any application where I whould need to get form that is currently evaluating. 08:38:46 hitecnologys: how many REPL utilities have you written? 08:39:03 hitecnologys: it can be useful sometimes 08:39:28 i guess there was a good reason to implement it 08:39:30 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.84] has joined #lisp 08:39:34 jdz: zero so far 08:39:58 I love how the example of using PROG in CLHS is named KING-OF-CONFUSION and the example immediately proceeds to show how to write it more clearly without using PROG 08:41:19 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.8.252.15] has joined #lisp 08:42:56 -!- Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43:14 Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 08:44:52 Gooder`` [~user@58.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has joined #lisp 08:46:46 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has quit [Ping 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10:46:28 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:49:32 NickLevine: 25 years of CL? Wow. 10:49:50 :) 10:50:15 that's nothing, i have 50 years of CL experience 10:51:46 running double threaded, stassats? There was lisp in the 60s but no CL yet 10:51:48 Oh crap. 10:52:34 Anyway, I have only 3. 10:52:39 NickLevine: that's the point! 10:52:46 Ah, the new generation. 10:52:48 i was using CL before it was invented 10:58:13 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:58:58 I programmed plug boards back in the day. 10:59:20 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:00:11 Ah, why I was born so late? 11:00:46 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 11:01:25 are you in a hurry? 11:01:32 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 11:03:04 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:03:16 zorkmoid [c2ed8e0a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.10] has joined #lisp 11:03:20 ;Hello! 11:03:27 stassats`: not really, but life was much slower before internets were invented. I can't catch up with modern things so I'm always behind. When people make money, I study new technologies. 11:04:13 CL is not a modern thing 11:04:54 Sure, that's why I learn it. 11:05:13 fsvehla [~fsvehla@046074087150.atmpu0003.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 11:06:03 hitecnologys: you need to learn the new fangled ajakcs on trains technometdology for the cloud! 11:07:37 zorkmoid: the cloud is so last decade, storing your data at the NSA is the new thing 11:07:46 I used to read lots of books about modern stuff to catch up with progress, but now I don't care. 11:08:32 are you implying that there's a progress? 11:08:59 stassats`: hahaha 11:09:15 hitecnologys: what is progress? learning yet another language? 11:09:21 That's why I dropped it, the "progrss" used to be a new versions of PHP. 11:09:38 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@046074087150.atmpu0003.highway.a1.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:09:48 s/progrss/progress/ 11:10:29 the reason why i stick, and have stuck with cl is because it is a language you can tweak... i don't need to learn php, rails, whatever ... 11:10:33 i do need to solve problems. 11:10:50 The only thing I learned is that I can't know everything so I decided to become good at something specific. 11:12:29 being good at languages isn't specific though. 11:14:16 But I may help with something specific. 11:16:22 peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has joined #lisp 11:17:10 So, what did you decide to become good at? 11:18:53 -!- antgreen [~green@207.112.101.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:19:25 First of all, I need to learn how to design good programs, I presume. 11:20:10 redSnow [~Thunderbi@113.96.147.126] has joined #lisp 11:20:26 Kaisyu [~sanggi0.l@121.50.21.19] has joined #lisp 11:21:18 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:22:09 -!- robgssp [~user@cpe-24-93-28-218.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:23:03 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 11:24:54 antgreen [~green@207.112.101.211] has joined #lisp 11:29:32 stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.252.74] has joined #lisp 11:29:40 stardiviner_ [~quassel@122.236.252.74] has joined #lisp 11:37:46 -!- msmith [~msmit297@23.31.147.162] has left #lisp 11:39:09 xkosh [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 11:42:00 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:44:06 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:44:22 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:36 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 11:45:37 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:29 any good git repo for slime? git.boinkor.net times out 11:46:50 prxq: https://github.com/antifuchs/slime 11:46:52 and on the machine I am working there is git, but not cvs 11:46:56 ok thanks 11:49:27 -!- sad0ur_ [~sad0ur@ip-89-102-144-158.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:49:28 xkosh_ [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:28 -!- xkosh [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:50:43 -!- xkosh_ is now known as xkosh 11:50:48 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:51:35 -!- stardiviner_ [~quassel@122.236.252.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:36 sz0 [~user@78.188.67.26] has joined #lisp 11:58:15 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 11:58:49 hitecnologys: designing programs is boring... 11:59:09 design APIs instead. 12:01:02 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 12:01:33 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 12:03:13 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:03:40 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:04:05 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:04:08 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:15 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 12:05:28 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 12:06:07 How can I design API without designing programs? 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You can reconnect by refreshing the page." 13:18:15 -!- ayeaye92` [~user@dsl-173-206-68-24.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18:33 kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-244-198.v4.ngi.it] has joined #lisp 13:19:27 "There was an unexpected error on the client side. This might be due to a browser incompatibility, so please make sure your browser is supported and updated. If the problem persist using a supported browser, then please contact the operator. 13:19:45 response to my first click. 13:20:00 i like how the program puts the blame on me. 13:21:04 yeah 13:21:40 basically you use one of the three tested browsers with exactly the configuration it expects, or go away and you get a page that tells you that in hungarian 13:23:31 -!- Kaisyu [~sanggi0.l@121.50.21.19] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:25:58 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-71-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27:19 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:29:08 redSnow [~Thunderbi@119.131.89.49] has joined #lisp 13:29:45 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:30:10 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:30:50 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.84] has quit [Quit: heading home] 13:32:33 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:32:46 ckoch786 [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 13:33:08 bitonic [~user@ppp-93-137.27-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 13:34:15 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 13:34:34 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:35:01 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has joined #lisp 13:35:31 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-71-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:41:22 how do you create an "executable" from a simple lisp file? Let's say you have one file foo.lisp which has a function main that you'd like to start from a shell 13:42:14 it depends on your implementation 13:42:27 sbcl, forgot to mention 13:42:32 xificurC: look at buildapp 13:42:36 the easy way is just to do something like sbcl --load foo.lisp --eval (main) 13:43:03 dlowe: you only say that because you don't want to discuss image size! :D 13:43:24 it's like it's scripted 13:44:40 yeah I tried save-lisp-and die and got a 32MB file 13:44:54 only 32MB? 13:45:09 -!- redSnow [~Thunderbi@119.131.89.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45:24 isn't it going to be slow though if you simply load a lisp file? 13:45:33 how fast do you need it? 13:46:28 H4ns: what executables does buildapp make? I feel lost in the terms since I started using slackware, executable always meant .exe for me before 13:46:57 you're trying to learn unix and lisp at the same time? 13:46:58 xificurC: i don't understand the question, really. 13:47:26 igotnole_ [~igotnoleg@70-58-36-233.slkc.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:30 executable is just a flag in unix 13:48:23 dlowe: i'm just theoretizing about speed 13:48:34 dlowe: no, im learning linux, lisp and programming in general at the same time 13:48:42 ambitious 13:48:53 -!- igotnolegs- [~igotnoleg@71-219-141-83.slkc.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:48:54 -!- igotnole_ is now known as igotnolegs- 13:48:55 or stupid, the difference is very subtle 13:49:14 not necessarily. Linux is a nice environment for programmers 13:49:16 -!- Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:49:23 and common lisp is a nice language for programming 13:49:43 so, in general, programmers only worry about speed after correctness 13:50:02 *programmers should 13:50:09 H4ns: ok different question, what would be the size of a hello world lisp file built with buildapp, 30MB like sbcl does? 13:50:29 yeah, your hello world app will be including a lisp compiler and runtime 13:50:46 xificurC: yes. buildapp uses save-lisp-and-die 13:51:18 unless you write a large program, it will probably not get much larger than that 13:51:19 thanks for clarification 13:51:53 yeah I can't make 100 lines of code work in lisp very well yet :) 13:52:04 also it's hard for me to find what to code 13:52:32 Amadiro [jonathri@dalvik.ping.uio.no] has joined #lisp 13:52:41 I've read like 6 books by now but have no good idea what to test it on 13:52:58 write a number guessing game. Take user input, and say whether it's higher or lower. Count the number of turns to win. 13:54:08 dlowe: these kinds of task are not a problem (especially after reading Land of Lisp) 13:54:32 the "biggest" project was an othello game but I didnt bother finishing an AI 13:55:07 Write a webapp 13:55:12 xificurC, convert your old projects to CL? 13:55:25 dtw: he's learning to program. 13:56:47 web is a pain in the ass but I might try it again 13:57:08 Avoid sitting on it. 13:57:40 I have a bit of coding experience but languages like Pascal or VBA are far far away from CL 13:57:55 yeah, it's a pain in the ass. But it's not computationally complicated and it benefits from an iterative approach 13:57:57 Zhivago: thanks for the tip 13:58:35 You could work your way through Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming 13:58:36 dlowe: can you recommend some libraries or a tutorial or something? 13:58:41 which is an excellent book 13:58:51 and uses common lisp as its language of choice 13:59:01 xificurC: have you worked through Practical Common Lisp, btw? 13:59:35 dlowe: PAIP was nice but I couldn't keep up, I'll surely get back to it though 14:00:44 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@158.127.31.162] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 14:00:45 p_l: yes but I didnt do all the practical parts. I tired the HTML interpreter and compiler parts but there werent many examples 14:02:30 xificurC: I read Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs as first book on LISP 14:03:00 xificurC: it's not Common Lisp, but I really enjoyed it 14:03:34 doomlord [~doomlod@host86-180-26-144.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:03:54 xani [~user@178.183.135.181.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 14:04:31 for "app" binaries, you can also just run the .fasl from sbcl... 14:04:37 much smaller than dumping core 14:05:13 xificurC: ^^ 14:06:16 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:23 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:07:50 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 14:08:28 Blkt, zorkmoid: thanks 14:09:32 Harag [~Thunderbi@41-135-132-52.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:11:42 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-031-002.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:53 davazp [~user@92.56.26.10] has joined #lisp 14:16:02 billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-178-47.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 14:16:02 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-67-158-178-47.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:16:02 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 14:16:29 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:16:41 -!- Z_Mass [~zmassia@bas1-cornwall24-1279267718.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:25:42 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 14:25:57 -!- rvncerr [rvncerr@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:772c] has quit [] 14:27:16 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:28:33 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:28:55 Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:55 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:22 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 14:30:21 Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:30:33 camm` [~user@nat-tvwna-outside-visitornet2-b-32.princeton.org] has joined #lisp 14:31:59 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:33:59 why does this http://paste.lisp.org/+2YHR work in the REPL but not when I run it in a shell through the --load and --eval? 14:34:40 I only have this and a defpackage and in-package in the file. The read-line doesn't seem to read the line correctly, it just emits one " 14:34:49 -!- Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:03 xificurC: What kind of command-line are you using? 14:36:16 Xach: the best one, cmd 14:36:32 I suspect it's the line-ending convention on that platform. 14:36:54 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: I shouldn't really be here - dircproxy 1.0.5] 14:36:59 sbcl is treating only one character as the line ender, but there are really two. so one of them gets stuck in the returned string. 14:37:35 it worked in git bash 14:38:07 Kabaka [~Kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 14:38:40 Xach: thanks 14:42:42 Tarential [~Tarential@li421-205.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 14:43:43 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 14:45:35 _d3f [~gnu@94.242.252.66] has joined #lisp 14:48:43 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-vfpuishirctviuok] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:18 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is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:07:17 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:25 Hello all. 16:07:33 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:54 what's the quicklisp-fu to get the entire dependency graph of a system? 16:08:06 drmeister [~drmeister@184.71.117.234] has joined #lisp 16:09:04 More S-SQL fun: (:select (:array (:select ...))) converts to SELECT "array"((SELECT ...)), which doesn't work because it tries to find a function called "array" instead of using the array constructor. 16:09:13 I see QL:WHO-DEPENDS-ON, but that's the opposite of what I want 16:09:26 anyone know how to get in contact with the alexandria devs, im getting weird errors when I try and compile their project 16:09:46 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:53 Or, possibly, I'm doing something stupid with the argument. Hrm... 16:09:59 they are so weird that ordinary people can't help? 16:10:35 ... Nope, definitely broken, using an obviously-valid argument. 16:11:12 (ql::dependency-tree (ql::find-system "hu.dwim.perec")) 16:11:16 to answer myself 16:11:22 nymo` [~user@67.137.177.90] has joined #lisp 16:11:54 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:12:05 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:12:13 -!- nymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:24 przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has joined #lisp 16:14:29 -!- codeburg [~folker@194.6.195.43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:43 inkjetunito [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has joined #lisp 16:17:50 -!- xani [~user@178.183.135.181.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:35 In SBCL, is calling ADJUST-ARRAY in a loop to "walk" a 1-dimensional "slice" of a 2-dimensional array across the bounds of the 2-dimensional array likely to be a good idea in terms of efficiency? 16:19:53 I'm thinking displaced arrays, here. 16:20:08 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:20:59 displaced arrays and efficiency don't usually belong in one sentence 16:21:08 better just use row-major-aref 16:21:27 Hrm. 16:22:08 -!- hugoduncan is now known as hugod 16:22:28 On the other hand, I'm already likely to be using PARSE-INTEGER in this loop unless I can properly fix my SQL problems, so efficiency beyond a certain point is very likely to be pointless. 16:22:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23:46 Hrm. "could not find array type for data type character varying[]". I was afraid of that. 16:29:15 iglu [~nick@203-59-86-232.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 16:29:19 Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:29:44 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 16:30:03 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:30:12 hi 16:37:11 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@184.71.117.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:35 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:19 nyef [~nyef@c-50-157-244-41.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:50 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@62.217.45.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:57 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-214-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45:17 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:23 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75481e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:46:01 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@gw-isr.deec.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:09 Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-184-138.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 16:46:39 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:00 oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has joined #lisp 16:48:24 xani [~user@178.183.134.232.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has joined #lisp 16:49:51 ... Next S-SQL annoyance: Not being able to apply an :order-by clause to aggregate functions. 16:50:24 -!- quasisane [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:52:21 that's a postgres problem 16:52:55 even if you bind the aggregate, you can't use the binding, you must repeat the aggregate 16:52:59 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:53:10 brown` [user@nat/google/x-keksvbqquzwpqbue] has joined #lisp 16:53:20 or you can use a subquery 16:53:22 But an aggregate can take an order-by clause. 16:54:01 I can SELECT array_cat_agg(... order by ...), and it will work, but there's no way to express that in S-SQL without using RAW. 16:54:58 I'm tired of using :RAW all the time with S-SQL. It's not right. 16:56:38 quasisane [~sanep@24.218.184.186] has joined #lisp 16:58:51 -!- rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:00:43 nibalizer [nibz@reaver.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 17:01:51 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@88-149-244-198.v4.ngi.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:02:59 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:05 -!- walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:04:36 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 17:04:51 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 17:04:54 Joreji_ [~thomas@130-044.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:04:58 rvchangue [~rvchangue@unaffiliated/rvchangue] has joined #lisp 17:05:23 drmeister [~drmeister@184.71.117.234] has joined #lisp 17:05:46 walter [~walter@97-88-38-33.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:06:59 ikki [~ikki@201.164.188.53] has joined #lisp 17:13:36 redSnow [~Thunderbi@119.131.89.49] has joined #lisp 17:14:16 -!- arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:14:29 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 17:18:26 Z_Mass [~zmassia@bas1-cornwall24-1279267718.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:23:23 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has joined #lisp 17:26:00 handuel [~handuel@host81-157-164-217.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:39 Is there any way of producing executable binary from lisp, like you can with C etc. 17:27:00 handuel: sure. it depends on which implementation you use, but they all support it one way or another. 17:27:02 many 17:27:13 I use sbcl 17:27:29 handuel: I use the buildapp program to produce executables with SBCL. 17:28:05 Xach: is that built into sbcl, or do I need to download it from somewhere? 17:28:14 -!- xkosh [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:31 save-lisp-and-die is built in 17:28:34 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Brb?] 17:28:35 handuel: buildapp simplifies the process that is built-in to sbcl 17:28:55 handuel: you can do it all without buildapp, but it's pretty convenient. http://xach.com/lisp/buildapp/ has buildapp info. 17:29:06 Xach: thanks :) 17:29:12 handuel: what does your program do? 17:29:16 stassats: thanks :) 17:29:57 Xach: not much :) I'm still learning lisp, I was just wondering if it was possible 17:30:55 youlysses [~user@75-132-28-10.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:31:11 -!- xani [~user@178.183.134.232.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:42 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:45 Xach: I get this when trying to install buildapp (using sudo make install) 17:32:46 unhandled condition in --disable-debugger mode, quitting 17:33:04 Xach: do you have any idea what is wrong? 17:34:14 Xach: here is the full error: http://pastebin.com/N43N9aDQ 17:34:22 xkosh [~don@30.176-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:38 your sbcl is too old 17:34:48 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-135-13.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:35:13 stassats` speaks the truth 17:35:23 -!- stardiviner [~quassel@122.236.252.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:51 michaeljmcd [~michael@ip-64-134-196-230.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:05 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@130-044.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:37:22 Ah OK, time to go and build it myself instead of using the one in the debian repos :( 17:39:12 handuel: easiest to fetch binary from www.sbcl.org 17:39:36 Xach: Ok, I didn't know they had binary downloads 17:41:12 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-9-188.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:38 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:46 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-184-138.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:42:49 Xach: all done, thanks for the help, and for writing buildapp :) 17:42:58 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@184.71.117.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:12 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 17:43:40 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 275 seconds] 17:43:58 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b07f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:02 no problem 17:44:07 jeff280 [~Jeff@c-69-181-192-147.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:22 i have another treat for your CL enjoyment. when you want to build on the work of others by using their libraries, try out quicklisp. 17:45:04 meaning "if you want to participate in my mass-surveillance program" 17:45:29 :) 17:45:32 thanks 17:47:06 Ugh, sbcl binary on red hat linux 9 (shrike) won't run at all, comes back with Floating point exception 17:47:12 anyone ever see that or know a fix 17:47:26 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:43 that's like, 10 years old 17:47:51 if not more 17:48:12 10 and a half almost 17:48:33 yea, early 2003 17:48:37 10 and ¼ 17:49:44 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:13 -!- jeff280 [~Jeff@c-69-181-192-147.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: jeff280] 17:50:14 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 17:50:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:50:32 Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:50:48 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:38 More questions from me :) When I call (format t ANYSTRING) what does the t actually mean, I guess it's the stream (or whatever the equivalent abstraction in lisp is) to output to, but why is it called t, and what does it actaally mean? 17:51:41 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:59 it means output to *standard-output* 17:53:21 stassats' I guessed as much, do you know why it's called t? 17:53:43 because the authors decided to make it so 17:54:11 stassats' Ok , thanks :) 17:54:13 which is actually different from stream designators 17:54:32 -!- seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:45 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:58 most probably for the symmetry with (format nil), which returns a string 17:55:41 (print 'x t) will print to *terminal-io*, not *standard-output* 17:55:46 which may be a bit confusing 17:56:24 (print 'x nil) will print to *standard-output*, and (read nil) will read from *standard-input* 17:56:36 and (read t) will read from *terminal-io* 17:56:45 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.173] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:56:54 stassats': I might have to read that through several times :D 17:57:17 Anyway, I have to go now thanks to Xach and stassats` for the help 17:57:17 clhs glossary/stream designator 17:57:24 clhs glossary/stream designators 17:57:25 -!- handuel [~handuel@host81-157-164-217.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_s.htm#stream_designator 17:57:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for glossary/stream designators. 17:57:30 handuel: T is a self-evaluating symbol that usually means "true" 17:58:25 minion: ping 17:58:25 ping: pong 17:58:36 -!- maxm- is now known as maxm 18:04:20 przl [~przlrkt@p5B2981F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:05:22 -!- michaeljmcd [~michael@ip-64-134-196-230.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:05:23 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:30 -!- Z_Mass [~zmassia@bas1-cornwall24-1279267718.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:06:24 ski 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"lixo1.log" "lixo1.json") 19:55:34 Help! 11 nested errors. SB-KERNEL:*MAXIMUM-ERROR-DEPTH* exceeded. 19:55:34 Backtrace for: #" 19:55:40 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:56:06 -!- Triclops256 is now known as Triclops256|away 19:56:34 arademaker: what are the steps to make that happen? 19:57:02 the code is at http://paste.lisp.org/+2YHT 19:57:08 arademaker: my guess is a print-object method that errors out. 19:58:17 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 19:59:00 pkhuong: I didn't understand! Did you see the code? 19:59:20 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.108.142] has joined #lisp 19:59:22 varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-drhpddzltqukllrt] has joined #lisp 19:59:24 The same code run fine on alisp (Allegro Lisp)! 19:59:54 nightfly [~sage@rarity.sagenite.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:16 nha [~prefect@koln-4d0b07f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:00:17 clop [~jared@moat3.centtech.com] has joined #lisp 20:00:21 arademaker: what happens if you don't print the offending line, when there's an error? 20:02:33 arademaker: but without any sample input it's hard to help you 20:03:15 antgreen [~green@out-on-223.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 20:03:31 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has joined #lisp 20:05:39 pkhuong: same error even after remove the handler-case. 20:06:02 -!- feliped is now known as felideon 20:06:23 like I said, my guess is a print-object method that errors out. 20:06:33 or maybe a strange encoding issue. 20:07:07 pkhuong: see one line of the input at http://paste.lisp.org/+2YHT 20:07:21 but my telepathic glands seem off today, so it's hard to help you withou reproducing the issue. 20:07:40 arademaker: does that line cause an error on your end? 20:07:46 yep 20:07:56 ckoch786 [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 20:08:43 arademaker: what's json->value? 20:08:44 robgssp [~user@cpe-24-93-28-218.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:09:03 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 20:09:42 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 20:09:50 pkhuong: a macro 20:10:19 (defmacro json->value (key obj) 20:10:20 `(cdr (assoc ,key (cl-json:decode-json-from-string ,obj)))) 20:10:39 why is it a macro? 20:11:36 stassats: not necessary, I agree! 20:12:32 arademaker: works fine here, when I make sure everything is opened in utf-8. 20:13:29 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: sleeping zzz...] 20:13:54 How to make sure that the file is opened in utf-8? 20:14:07 :external-format :utf-8 is one way 20:14:26 a protip: (format *standard-input*) == (format t) 20:14:50 ultimately I think my issue is due to the /usr/lib directory containing the libmysql files and the Makefile with clsql only looking in /usr/lib{64}/mysql 20:15:04 not sure why this system was set up with files for mysql-devel in /usrlib 20:16:04 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:11 pkhuong: strange! Even using :external-format :utf-8 in the with-open-file the same problem! What is your version of sbcl? 20:17:28 is that on windows? 20:17:29 stassats`: do you mean standard-output? 20:17:43 not sure how format works with input... yet! 20:17:43 nymo`: naturally 20:17:50 -!- Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:58 Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:18:03 arademaker: 1.1.8.48 20:18:19 normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-100-079.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 20:18:21 ok, thanks for the confirmation 20:18:32 arademaker: I assume you modified both with-open-file forms. 20:18:44 CRLF may be a problem 20:19:25 fine. I will upgrade the sbcl. BTW, I am running on Mac and the problem start when I changed the code to make the substring of line0. Without the position and substring in the code, everything is fine. 20:19:47 s/substring/subseq 20:20:06 pkhuong: yes I modified both with-open-file 20:20:43 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 20:20:50 which error do you get exactly? 20:22:16 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 20:22:42 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@mobile-166-147-100-079.mycingular.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:46 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:44 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-180-154-209.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:53 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 20:28:14 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:29:04 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:41 carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 20:30:44 seangrove [~user@208.80.69.42] has joined #lisp 20:31:40 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has joined #lisp 20:32:19 gak-pdx [~GKlimowic@gw0-cust-threeoaks.com.ptle.eli.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:25 arademaker: a clearer way to write this would be: http://paste.lisp.org/display/138017#3 20:33:27 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-79-180-154-209.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:33:46 -!- gak-pdx1 [~GKlimowic@gw0-cust-threeoaks.com.ptle.eli.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:16 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:50 arademaker: or even http://paste.lisp.org/display/138017#4 20:34:52 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p5DCD26C5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:36:08 -!- handuel [~handuel@host81-157-164-217.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:44 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 20:38:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:38:08 -!- antgreen [~green@out-on-223.wireless.telus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39:55 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 20:40:43 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.56.114] has joined #lisp 20:43:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.164.188.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:35 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:39 -!- matko [~matko@ip82-139-123-169.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:21 -!- [1]JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:45:53 zenbalrog [~chatzilla@adsl-98-70-125-87.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:53 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@188.251.191.81] has joined #lisp 20:46:14 -!- jeff280 [~Jeff@199-83-220-112.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: jeff280] 20:46:50 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 20:47:18 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:47:28 stassats`: thanks! You are right. the loop macro makes the code more clean 20:47:42 > 20:47:54 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:48:27 the idea to use cl-ppcre for fix the line is also better then position/subseq 20:50:27 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-210-215.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:52:19 mal___ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:22 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:26 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 20:57:53 -!- Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:42 holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:45 -!- inkjetunit [~hf999@unaffiliated/inkjetunit] has quit [Quit: qQQQ] 20:59:23 -!- zenbalrog [~chatzilla@adsl-98-70-125-87.tys.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:12 zenbalrog [~chatzilla@adsl-98-70-125-87.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:52 -!- nbouscal [~nbouscal@c-67-168-113-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:03:13 jeff280 [~Jeff@199-83-220-112.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:10 Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 21:07:42 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 21:08:59 -!- ferada_ is now known as ferada 21:09:22 Bike_ [~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:09:57 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-41-134.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:11:46 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.127.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:12:26 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:14:51 nug700 [~nug700@174-26-159-207.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:55 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 21:15:28 -!- Myk267 [~myk@unaffiliated/myk267] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 21:15:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@160-076.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:16:12 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:19:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-77-150.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:41 -!- fortitude [~mts@rrcs-24-97-165-124.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:20:29 pjb [~t@90.24.196.163] has joined #lisp 21:20:38 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:22:52 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:27 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:23:49 -!- nymo` [~user@67.137.177.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:23:53 -!- jeff280 [~Jeff@199-83-220-112.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: jeff280] 21:24:27 jeff280 [~Jeff@199-83-220-112.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:25 -!- milanj [~milanj@82.117.199.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:26:53 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-92-22.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:28:51 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.210] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 21:29:03 Bike [~Glossina@71-222-38-246.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:12 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:07 lduros`` [~user@pool-108-52-158-77.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:54 -!- lduros` [~user@pool-108-52-158-77.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:57 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 21:31:14 -!- lduros`` [~user@pool-108-52-158-77.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:24 pkhuong: using a line with only plan ascii chars I didn't have the problem. 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a FOLD function for common lisp? 23:13:41 clhs reduce 23:13:42 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_reduce.htm 23:13:47 sanku! 23:14:06 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-216-251-135-194.bchsia.skywaywest.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:14:22 okay, 23:14:42 i am confused on when it makes proper sense when passing a function 23:14:46 to use '# or ' 23:14:56 i mean #' or ' 23:15:04 # is apply right? 23:15:08 no 23:15:29 if you pass 'foo you're just passing the name of the global function, whereas #'foo is "the function itself", and in the local scope 23:15:38 -!- gak-pdx [~GKlimowic@gw0-cust-threeoaks.com.ptle.eli.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:16:50 ohhh hm. 23:16:56 that is going to take a moment to digest. 23:20:32 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:22:01 i guess this leads me into the question of, when does it make sense to pass the function and when does it make sense to pass the name of the function. because with name the callee can always look it up 23:22:21 DalekBaldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:22:46 ryankarason: local functions. redefinitions. 23:23:01 pkhuong: oh, okay. i will consider this. 23:24:56 http://assets.yodawgpics.com/hashed_silo_content/silo_content/5928/resized/lisp.jpg wow 23:25:33 glad we've pared it down from text to dumb images 23:27:08 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has left #lisp 23:27:10 jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 23:29:17 how do I use SBCL's type checkings properly? 23:29:55 there's a section in the manual. 23:30:13 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-69-91-152-61.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:31:04 Bike: yes, I have (declaim (optimize (speed 3))), which, according to the manual, should handle type checking 23:32:01 Bike: but then I created a function (defun sum (a b) (declare (number a) (number b)) (+ a b)) and then (defun blah () (let ((x "Blah") (y 'bleh)) (declare (string x) (symbol y)) (sum x y))) 23:32:07 Bike: and no warning is given 23:32:16 er, what manual are you reading exactly 23:32:34 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/#Declarations-as-Assertions 23:32:43 Bike: exactly this one 23:33:18 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-168-169.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:34:42 -!- jerryzhou [~jerryzhou@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:54 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:01 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:36:42 -!- jeff280 [~Jeff@199-83-220-112.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: jeff280] 23:37:30 well, it says it'll give you a type error at runtime, and that's what it does 23:39:17 davazp [~user@112.Red-88-15-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:30 and it derives blah's return type to be NIL which is right 23:39:49 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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