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If you have a defun with many case statements, would it be possible for your code to track the most commonly used cases and reform the very structure of the function on occasion? 04:14:18 To optimize. 04:14:51 possible but unlikely, i think? i mean i don't think any implementation does that. 04:15:08 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:30 ryan_: yes. But you could also try to store functions in a look up table and call into that. 04:15:30 Just thought of the idea as a sort of "what if". 04:15:40 if you were feeling fancy you could set up some macros to do tracking for you, do some monte carlo runs, and then rearrange things as necessary 04:16:14 i've heard there are old fortran compilers that do that, no source though. 04:16:22 Lisp is wonderful, you can actually have a program that rewrites parts of itself. 04:16:27 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:17:01 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl10-122-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:27 chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 04:20:16 -!- Ryan_Burnside [~root@63-153-69-21.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:22:25 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:24:07 So is self modifying code used much in Lisp? It seems to have limited uses but it seems very very powerful. 04:24:23 uh, not really at all as far as i'm aware. 04:26:50 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:27 -!- gmcastil` [~user@50.23.113.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:29:44 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:45 PCL. 04:33:44 Hello everyone. 04:33:58 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:34:30 I'm trying to use salza2 and I don't really get how to decompress data using it. Is it possible or not? 04:34:31 where's PCL use self-modifying code? I thought it was just caching 04:34:55 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 04:34:59 i wish i understood it better. i only recently have any idea of how ctors work 04:35:36 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 04:37:17 Bike: caching of runtime-compiled code fragments. Call that what you will. 04:38:34 seems more jitty than modifying... Guess it could be termed in any of a number of ways 04:38:37 pkhuong: where's it in PCL? I didn't see things like this there. 04:38:56 hitecnologys: portable common loops. 04:39:01 ryan_: I guess that if you call those self-modifying functions by symbol, and have a custom defun which registers dynamic functions, custom case-like construct which accumulates some profiling statistics, you could run from time to time some function running through dynamic functions and depending on their stats regenerate/recompile them and assign them to the symbol (there could be concurrency issues if symbol assignment is not atomic though, ... 04:39:08 ... but to aid interactive development it usually should be) 04:39:21 pkhuong: ah, I thought about practical common lisp, sorry. 04:40:05 Thanks for the idea phadthai. 04:40:33 -!- PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:41:21 there remains something to test: in which cases is it worth it, considering the overhead of the profiling.. 04:42:00 and considering that dynamic functions are best called by symbol, the compiler can't just issue a simple direct call 04:43:04 -!- Tanami_ [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:08 although a symbol reference might be as fast as an array or hash table lookup 04:43:24 phadthai: barring file compilation and inline declarations, compilers must always be prepared to handle (setf fdefinition). 04:46:54 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-26-41.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:49:38 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:50:30 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:50:54 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 04:51:23 <|3b|> hitecnologys: salza2 just compresses, try chipz for decompression 04:52:19 |3b|: ok, thanks. I don't really need decompression, just curious. 04:52:43 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:54:54 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 04:55:29 -!- weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:55:48 ryan_: another idea might be to cache those statistics and save them, such that the cases are properly ordered at next file/function compilation, another idea might be supporting classes/groups, where when easily known by humans or computers can easily be ordered (i.e. if you look for something between 10 to 20 or if it's 21, it's more likely to be within 10 to 20 04:59:50 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-12-27.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 05:00:18 -!- meiji11 [~user@75.158.41.148] has left #lisp 05:01:52 ryan_: also look at http://cvs.pulsar-zone.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/mmondor/mmsoftware/cl/test/do-sxhash-case.lisp?rev=1.2;content-type=text%2Fplain and http://cvs.pulsar-zone.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/mmondor/mmsoftware/cl/server/character.lisp?rev=1.5;content-type=text%2Fplain's member-character-intervals-p for other case-like optimization hack ideas perhaps (the latter case reorders ranges at compile-time) 05:02:10 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:44 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:39 .. right, because it's widely known that sxhash never collides. 05:04:15 it very well may, and it'll generate a compile-time error :) 05:04:26 @phadthai, thanks for the url. I'm going to look. 05:04:50 Mostly this is just a concept I want to play with. No real need just interest. 05:05:23 Lisp must have really been jaw dropping when it became widespread in the 80's. 05:05:29 Way ahead of the times. 05:05:50 phadthai: only if the keys collide. If you pass a value that's different from the keys, you may get NIL, or a false positive. 05:06:29 -!- chu [~user@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:06:45 sure 05:08:07 Is there a way to write something like (loop repeat 10 do (loop repeat 10 do (something))) without using MOD or nesting? 05:08:16 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-19.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:08:21 hitecnologys: no. 05:08:40 <|3b|> if you don't need the indices, (loop repeat 100 do (something)) :p 05:08:57 (well, there are alternatives to mod, but, really, no) 05:09:13 |3b|: I'm iterating over multidimensional array. 05:09:24 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-118-11.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 05:09:31 <|3b|> row-major-aref? 05:09:33 row-major-aref. 05:09:43 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:09:43 It's length fixed so I don't need to recalculate it. 05:09:56 length is* 05:10:00 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 05:10:47 Wow, r-m-a is cool. Thanks. 05:11:03 How does it work? 05:11:27 Does array really looks like normal vector in memory? 05:11:41 most probably. 05:11:46 <|3b|> probably, since that is what memory looks like in general 05:11:59 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.99.105] has joined #lisp 05:12:17 Nice, thanks again. 05:12:27 -!- pierre1 [~pierre1@186.205.149.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:12:31 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@184-98-125-19.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:14:40 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:14:44 Another quick question: does sbcl expand (* 1 2 3) while compilation, right? Or I need to write #.? 05:15:25 yes, that's constant folded, and please don't. 05:16:00 Okay, got it, thanks. 05:16:17 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.99.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:21:28 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 05:21:39 -!- ghotiphud [~yale@173.170.251.208] has left #lisp 05:21:49 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 05:23:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:27:32 -!- kimochiwarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Quit: I have set my priorities straight - 0:23 is not time for IRCing, it is time for watching anime.] 05:29:55 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:31:11 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 05:31:37 ghotiphud [~yale@173.170.251.208] has joined #lisp 05:32:15 -!- ghotiphud [~yale@173.170.251.208] has left #lisp 05:32:22 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.41.26] has joined #lisp 05:32:26 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:32:48 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 05:36:38 leo2007 [~leo@119.161.133.157] has joined #lisp 05:37:18 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:37:49 -!- hispinae54 [~Hispinae5@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:38:12 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:04 hispinae54 [~Hispinae5@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:17 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:41:57 -!- snits [~snits@184-98-238-14.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:42:51 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:43:32 snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has joined #lisp 05:45:41 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 05:46:17 -!- ryan_ [~ryan@63-153-69-21.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:48:28 shifty` [~user@114-198-28-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 05:50:20 -!- shifty [~user@114-198-28-159.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:51:42 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.161.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:52:20 protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 05:54:59 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:57:03 huangjs [~huangjs@114.84.155.252] has joined #lisp 05:57:13 -!- protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:59:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.91.146] has joined #lisp 06:00:56 -!- jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:02 jaaso [~user@109.175.27.246] has joined #lisp 06:01:19 mrSpec [~Spec@host166-12-static.253-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 06:01:20 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@host166-12-static.253-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 06:01:21 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:02:02 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.41.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:03:48 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 06:05:29 mach [~root@59.91.10.69] has joined #lisp 06:05:53 -!- mach [~root@59.91.10.69] has left #lisp 06:06:52 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 06:08:17 Is this possible to somehow modify result returned by method? 06:08:29 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:08:55 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 06:08:56 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@114.84.155.252] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:10:49 hitecnologys: Like :after in DEFMETHOD? 06:11:30 Odyessus: maybe, I just wonder if this safe and right way to do this. 06:12:26 ASau` [~user@p4FF9605D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 06:12:33 this is* 06:14:46 Odyessus: wait, how can I modify result by :after? I tired modifying (call-next-method) result in :around, but how I can do this in :after? 06:15:40 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F582.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:17:14 mishoo [~mishoo@93.113.190.121] has joined #lisp 06:17:32 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.107.117] has joined #lisp 06:18:41 Ah, I'm idiot, just needed some more googling, question is closed. 06:18:54 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:20:59 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:04 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 06:25:06 mach [~root@59.91.10.69] has joined #lisp 06:28:38 jewel [~jewel@105-236-190-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:33:17 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:33:54 -!- mach [~root@59.91.10.69] has left #lisp 06:36:44 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:37:08 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest6495 06:37:15 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:39:17 protist [~protist@125-237-130-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 06:41:20 -!- Guest6495 [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:46:09 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:27 _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:57 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:52:09 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:58:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:01:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:02:16 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:06:23 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:08:35 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:11:25 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15:44 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 07:18:08 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 07:18:42 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:20:54 robot-be` [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:41 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:23:50 funny quizz: 42 is a literal: it is self-evaluating. Is 0b101010 a literal? 07:23:57 -!- Watcher7 is now known as Watcher7|off 07:25:06 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-63-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:13 it's a potential number 07:28:33 -!- pierpa`` [~user@host126-61-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:29:21 and you haven't told us what's read-base 07:31:08 (let ((x 0b101010)) (eql (eval x) x)), good enough for me 07:32:28 Dalek_Baldwin1 [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 07:33:31 rpgsimmaster_ [~rpgsimmas@system00.packetstability.com] has joined #lisp 07:33:53 jayne| [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 07:33:54 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.60.222] has joined #lisp 07:34:57 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-165-182.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:35:03 Harag1 [~Thunderbi@41-135-132-52.dsl.mweb.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:35:03 ferada_ [~ferada@37.221.196.86] has joined #lisp 07:35:07 eak_ 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The point is that 42 or 0b101010 are representations of the number. They're not really self-evaluating: they evaluate to the number they represent. 07:57:37 leoc` [~leoc.git@p5480A5F8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 07:57:41 Bike: good point: it's not the representation that's self-evaluating, that's the value represented. 07:58:15 -!- jayne| is now known as jayne 08:00:11 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p5DDB9F45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:33 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:00:55 also, do you mean #b101010 or is this ##c :P 08:01:18 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:01:36 -!- dfox [~dfox@178.248.252.200] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:04:17 Aiwass [~user@unaffiliated/aiwass] has joined #lisp 08:07:38 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-34-96.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:14:16 Argh, yes, #b, not 0b. (*^.^*) 08:14:42 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:01 the definition of self-evaluating is pretty straightforward "an object that is neither a symbol nor a cons." 08:16:35 What's the name of the variable that contains max integer possible? 08:16:52 most-positive-bignum 08:16:57 Thanks. 08:20:43 nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:22:09 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c-5eeaaa68-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:26:09 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:28:46 -!- nilsi_ [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:30 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl10-122-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 08:29:52 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl10-122-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:30:30 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@171.217.20.45] has left #lisp 08:34:38 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:37:08 PuercoPop [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:32 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest71684 08:38:08 Guest85485 [~kdas@114.143.165.150] has joined #lisp 08:40:11 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40:58 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41:08 -!- Guest85485 [~kdas@114.143.165.150] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:25 kdas_ [~kdas@114.143.165.150] has joined #lisp 08:41:55 -!- Guest71684 [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:42:11 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 08:42:13 statl [~statl@dslb-094-218-229-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:42:24 -!- ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:42:32 ELLIOTTCABLE [~me@ell.io] has joined #lisp 08:44:06 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.13.161] has joined #lisp 08:48:31 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:41 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:51:32 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 08:52:00 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:52:38 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:52:39 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 08:53:02 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 08:56:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-255.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:56:43 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:57:33 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:58:16 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:00:09 -!- beaumonta is now known as abeaumont 09:01:04 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:02:30 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:03:26 pavelpenev [~quassel@85.130.70.65] has joined #lisp 09:08:41 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@109.226.13.161] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 09:11:23 Server successfully handles login, hooray! 09:11:41 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:26 and did you find most-positive-bignum? 09:12:48 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:13:10 stassats: I needed that to generate random integers 09:13:29 i hope you have enough memory 09:14:01 stassats: what do you mean? 09:14:07 because most-positive-bignum takes all possible addressable memory 09:14:41 For me it evaluates to 2^32, what am I doing wrong? 09:14:56 well, you're typing most-positive-FIXNUM 09:15:08 Ah, yeah, my mistake. 09:15:09 but you have asked for the maximum integer possible 09:15:18 and there's no maximum 09:15:26 hitecnologys: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008/03/most-positive-bignum/ 09:15:42 i was waiting for you to say "most-positive-bignum is undefined" and reply with this 09:16:11 but you took your wrong question with my wrong answer, and got the answer you actually needed anyway 09:16:27 you need most-positive-fixnum indeed 09:16:37 but it's not the largest integer 09:16:48 Lol 09:17:27 -!- johs_ is now known as johs 09:18:18 what do you think this is to have bounded integers, C of some kind? 09:19:19 C have some types to represent bignums, but they are hard to use 09:19:33 and most-positive-fixnum is widely implementation dependent, you probably don't want it to use as an argument to random 09:20:14 stassats: yep, I'll fix that later, but for now it's ok. 09:20:22 on x86-64 sbcl: 4611686018427387903, on x86-64 ccl 1152921504606846975 09:20:48 on 32-bit sbcl: 536870911 09:21:05 Oh, looks terrible 09:21:08 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 09:21:33 what did you expect? 09:21:45 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:22:57 Why do ccl have smaller integers? 09:23:09 sbcl has larger 09:23:13 -!- nug700 [~nug700@184-98-125-19.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 09:23:15 Oh 09:23:20 Weird 09:23:21 it's not integers! 09:23:23 goddamn 09:23:31 it's fixnums 09:23:40 Oh, I'm idiot. 09:24:06 integers are divinded into fixnums and bignums, fixnums are expected to fit into one word and be fast 09:24:13 bignums are unbounded and slow 09:24:25 s/divinded/divided/ 09:27:28 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:28:11 dfox [~dfox@178.248.252.201] has joined #lisp 09:30:21 d4gg4d [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwqdcndmtittoqhj] has joined #lisp 09:31:34 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 09:32:28 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:33:19 Okay, I changed (1- (ash most-positive-fixnum -1)) to (1- (ash 2 16)). Now I did things right? 09:34:04 if you're content with such a small distribution 09:35:13 I don't need really large number. 09:35:45 Server send them to check if client is still there because client must respond with the same number. 09:35:53 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:36:40 -!- kdas_ is now known as kushal 09:36:46 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.150] has quit [Changing host] 09:36:46 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:38:24 (if you interested, look here http://mc.kev009.com/Protocol#Keep_Alive_.280x00.29) 09:38:41 (i'm not) 09:39:37 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:41:01 <|3b|> if you have a defined size (looks like 32 bit?) probably should just use that 09:41:44 <|3b|> or 31 i guess, since it seems to be signed 09:41:59 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:25 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:51 |3b|: I don't need that large numbers, maybe some time in future 09:43:52 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 09:44:02 <|3b|> yeah, 2^16 probably won't break anything (unlike using fixnum), just seems odd to pick something arbitrary less than the allowed range 09:44:32 2^15-1 is better 09:44:45 I'm actually just lazy to change it =P 09:49:25 -!- nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:56:47 setmeaway2 [stemearay@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 10:03:11 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:03:15 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 10:08:22 teggi [~teggi@113.173.3.200] has joined #lisp 10:10:50 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:11:36 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 10:11:53 talas 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How can I determine which socket is broken without checking each? 14:04:49 Or it's just stream error and I can't do that? 14:06:04 mrSpec [~Spec@host166-12-static.253-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:06:04 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@host166-12-static.253-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 14:06:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:06:50 clhs stream-error-stream 14:06:50 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_stm_er.htm 14:07:16 Wow, thanks a lot. 14:07:51 But why do I sometimes get this and sometimes get end-of-file? 14:08:25 hitecnologys: why would it be a stream other than the one you're trying to read from? 14:08:31 hitecnologys: (just curious) 14:09:07 H4ns: supposedly, hitecnologys handles errors from multiple threads 14:09:14 H4ns: there are some problems about determining from which stream I tried to read 14:09:19 ok. 14:09:39 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 14:10:18 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@rrcs-24-105-153-109.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:30 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-63-165.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:12:23 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:39 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:21 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.57.57] has joined #lisp 14:20:57 lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:08 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756344.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:06 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d857456.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:28:18 mal___ [mal@ks24170.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:12 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04c20d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:30:28 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:02 -!- hlavaty`` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:20 hlavaty`` [~user@friedrichstrasse.knowledgetools.de] has joined #lisp 14:36:06 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:37:34 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 14:37:34 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:28 Kosmos [~Speaker@178.139.131.191] has joined #lisp 14:38:45 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:40:43 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:41:08 Hello, I'm trying to learn Common Lisp and I thought I'd start by reading a book or tutorial of some sort. I ask here because I haven't really found something useful. Do any of you know of any book or tutorial on the net? 14:41:40 minion: please tell Kosmos about pcl 14:41:40 Kosmos: have a look at pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 14:42:29 sykopomp, thanks :) does that cover advanced stuff too? 14:42:40 semi-advanced 14:42:53 there's a few more books to pick up once you've got a good handle on CL 14:43:13 sykopomp, I'd be very happy if you could tell me about them 14:43:25 minion: onlisp 14:43:25 onlisp: An advanced textbook on Common Lisp, with special focus on macros. at http://www.cliki.net/On%20Lisp 14:43:29 minion: paip 14:43:30 paip: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/paip 14:43:32 hmmm 14:43:40 PAIP :) 14:44:03 thanks sykopomp :D 14:44:06 drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:28 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:31 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04c20d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:45 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:50:24 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:22 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:31 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.57.57] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:55:08 drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:47 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Change the pg-hba.conf file? 15:39:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.254] has joined #lisp 15:39:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.254] has quit [Changing host] 15:39:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:39:51 <|3b|> if you don't have any lines like that with md5, then password login probably won't work until you change it and reload the config 15:40:28 *|3b|* isn't really saying you /need/ to do anything, aside from maybe read postgres docs :p 15:40:30 ghotiphud: if you're just playing with it, try to allow all connections from localhost. 15:41:16 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:18 ghotiphud: host all all ::1/128 trust 15:41:32 *|3b|* isn't a professional (or even particularly active amateur) pg admin, so you probably shouldn't just do whatever i say blindly anyway 15:42:25 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:42:50 I've got this line in my pg_hba.conf - host all all 127.0.0.1/32 md5 15:44:50 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.57.57] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:45:05 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:09 -!- lyanchih [~lyanchih@114-34-99-241.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: lyanchih] 15:45:48 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:21 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:23 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:13 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:07 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:50 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 15:50:54 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:51:01 Framedragger [~k@unaffiliated/framedragger] has joined #lisp 15:51:25 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:53:40 -!- Kosmos [~Speaker@178.139.131.191] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:13 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 15:57:55 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:58:44 ,history 15:59:15 ups 15:59:39 arademaker [~user@177.142.17.109] has joined #lisp 15:59:53 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:53 -!- ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59:59 does anyone know about http://qtl.clacklisp.org? comments? 16:00:19 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:11 oudeis [~oudeis@93-173-252-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 16:02:32 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:59 pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has joined #lisp 16:03:12 "i don't get it" 16:03:36 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:43 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:44 ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:25 drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:29 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:32 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05:43 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:09:04 I can't help but feel that there is a middle ground somewhere between "a bunch of trivial utilities" and "a bundle of problem-domain-specific utilities inextricably tied up with a solution to a big problem" 16:09:08 I'm not sure we've found it yet 16:12:51 Hydan` [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-5.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 16:13:18 -!- Hydan` is now known as hydan` 16:13:21 rudi_ [~rudi@cm-84.215.158.89.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 16:14:30 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:14:40 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:15:29 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:17:05 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:20:34 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:39 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl10-122-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 16:21:19 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21:44 Krystof: agree. It seems to me a similar problem with http://cdr.eurolisp.org. 16:23:02 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl10-122-105.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:38 bananagram [~bot@c-76-30-158-226.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:24:46 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 16:25:29 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:37 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:25:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.254] has joined #lisp 16:25:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.46.22.254] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:25:40 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:46 -!- bitonic [~user@2.126.175.247] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 16:30:33 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:33:01 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:33:47 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:30 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 16:34:48 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:37:09 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@93-173-252-68.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:39:02 -!- danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 16:40:01 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:40:05 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:54 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:52 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:44:55 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:15 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:20 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:58 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:48:20 oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.57.57] has joined #lisp 16:48:49 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc2-cove3-0-0-cust17.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:50:35 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:25 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-34-96.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:44 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@c-98-216-51-139.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:12 Hi there. Can anyone point me to an explanation of the OBJECT argument to PPRINT-LOGICAL-BLOCK? I'm defining a PRINT-OBJECT method for a class I've written and the following works: http://paste.lisp.org/display/137533 but I'm not sure what the NIL I'm passing to the second pprint-logical-block is really doing. 16:52:49 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:50 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:57 Passing the object I'm trying to print fails, of course, since then (according to the clhs) I get a recursive call to write, which calls my print-object again and and and... 16:53:21 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:53:30 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:54:04 But really I think what I fundamentally don't understand is what that argument actually does! Is there some combination of pretty printer variables that causes the body to be ignored and write called on the object or something? 16:54:18 i think it's just so that you can use pprint-pop and such 16:55:19 Oh, I see. So if I don't care about using the pprint-pop macro, I needn't worry about correctly using that argument? 16:56:00 why are you using print-logical block then? 16:56:12 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@95.35.57.57] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:56:26 Because I want to be able to output a newline and get the right indentation. 16:56:38 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 16:57:07 I just annotated the paste with some example output 16:57:43 Without the pprint-logical-block, pprint-newline doesn't do anything. But just using eg. terpri doesn't respect the indentation 16:57:51 Am I missing something? 16:59:13 -!- arademaker [~user@177.142.17.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:59:22 danlentz [~danlentz@c-68-37-70-235.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:59 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:54 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:05:15 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:06:02 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:06:18 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:07:38 rswarbrick: for the object argument to pprint-logical-block, see the spec, it's pretty clear. That argument is used for *print-circle* and *print-level*. 17:07:53 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:08:15 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:43 the spec even tells you to put a NIL there if you don't expect a list. 17:08:46 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:09:13 Oops. Goodness knows how I managed not to read that comment. 17:09:21 Thank you very much (and also Bike!) 17:09:55 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.161.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 17:11:46 nahiluhmot [~thulihan@pool-173-69-50-113.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:22 -!- johan` [~user@h-208-29.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:17 -!- nahiluhmot [~thulihan@pool-173-69-50-113.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:44 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:15:20 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 17:15:30 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:17:58 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:18:06 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18:47 abeaumont [~abeaumont@242.Red-83-49-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:51 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:20:07 -!- namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:30 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:28 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 17:22:49 -!- nialo- [~yaaic@66-87-133-42.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:25:21 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:19 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:45 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:54 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:37 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:27:52 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.180.91.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:58 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:29:23 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:29:47 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:30:51 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@61.218-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:30:51 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@61.218-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 17:30:51 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 17:31:44 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 17:32:54 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32:56 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl] 17:33:21 -!- pranavrc [~pranavrc@unaffiliated/pranavrc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:33:37 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:46 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:37 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:43 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38:12 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 17:39:38 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 17:45:43 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:26 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-229-231.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:30 hmm. I see Quicklisp fetching stuff from /archive as well as /dist 17:46:35 does that have any meaning? 17:46:37 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 17:46:47 Xach: ^^ ? 17:46:47 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: danielszmulewicz] 17:49:16 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2-dev] 17:49:18 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:49:32 hajovonta [~user@540376E8.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #lisp 17:49:36 hello 17:49:53 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:31 -!- SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:52 namtsui [~user@c-76-102-34-148.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:24 Xach: nm. I think i found out. 17:51:55 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:52:16 danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:22 SHODAN [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 17:52:44 -!- danielszmulewicz [~danielszm@bzq-79-179-66-44.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:52:46 kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-138-80-155.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:54:09 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:47 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 17:54:48 -!- vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:08 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 17:55:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.180.91.146] has joined #lisp 17:55:36 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I didn't get that from your answer. I was indeed reading that section a few times now. 18:18:06 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 18:18:14 i don't know what traverse has exactly, though 18:18:23 vi1 [~vi1@93.92.216.186] has joined #lisp 18:21:49 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:10 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:22:25 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 18:25:35 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:26:04 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:27 fe[nl]ix: aronud? 18:27:30 around? 18:28:23 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:54 -!- aftershave [~textual@h-123-171-229.a336.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:30:25 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30:32 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 18:32:02 AeroNotix [~xeno@abou212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:32:17 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:09 -!- rndnick0xff [~user@stgt-5f719a1e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:19 gump_ [~gautham@host81-156-189-128.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:25 -!- gump_ [~gautham@host81-156-189-128.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:58 gump_ [~gautham@host81-156-189-128.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:38:13 -!- gump_ [~gautham@host81-156-189-128.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:44 -!- PuercoPo` [~user@pool-96-250-219-190.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:46:55 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.106.33] has joined #lisp 18:51:13 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 18:52:07 -!- kimochiwarui [~user@unaffiliated/dijkstragroupie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:52:54 ehu: yes 18:54:12 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:38 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:57 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 18:58:53 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:39 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:02 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:03:11 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-83-66-59.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:03:25 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:05:33 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:43 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-123-20.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:06 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-108-38-175-139.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:10:59 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:46 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:46 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:16 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-195-248.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:16:52 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-217-166-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 19:16:54 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756344.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:19:07 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-190-8.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19:42 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abou212.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:18 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@99.160.220.149] has joined #lisp 19:21:26 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:51 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:49 fe[nl]ix: ah! perfect. I'm looking at iolib.base. 19:23:07 fe[nl]ix: currently, it's one of the major blockers for ABCL on Quicklisp. 19:23:11 xificurC [~xificurC@adsl-dyn183.78-99-137.t-com.sk] has joined #lisp 19:23:35 fe[nl]ix: how should we proceed to get ABCL support? 19:23:36 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:23:53 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.160.222.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:23:54 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 19:24:43 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:26:03 imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 19:26:11 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 19:26:48 -!- imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:59 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:49 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:28 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:37 Codynyx_ [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:39 ehu: what do you mean exactly ? 19:28:51 what's the problem ? 19:29:06 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-187-16.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:29:43 knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:55 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31:28 fe[nl]ix: iolib.base doesn't support ABCL. 19:31:41 fe[nl]ix: it's one of the main root blockers in quicklisp now. 19:31:57 fe[nl]ix: so, I think adding support for it would be a really good addition. 19:32:06 what part of it does not support ABCL ? 19:32:08 (it's a root blocker for 33 systems in quciklisp) 19:32:15 no idea. hold on. 19:32:26 http://cl-test-grid.appspot.com/blob?key=170vjjl2qf 19:32:32 this is what it says ^^^ 19:33:19 -!- rudi_ [~rudi@cm-84.215.158.89.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Client exciting.] 19:33:56 that's weird 19:34:04 see src/new-cl/pkgdcl.lisp 19:34:22 checking 19:35:44 oudeis [~oudeis@bzq-84-111-171-26.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 19:36:09 the #-(or abcl ...) shouldn't get triggered 19:36:33 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:37:57 hmm. mine doesn't have #-(or abcl ...) 19:38:04 it has allegro as the first bit. 19:38:09 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:18 seems my quicklisp has version 0.7.3 19:38:23 isn't that new enough? 19:38:38 2010-11-07?? 19:38:41 seems not really new. 19:38:59 my abcl just downloaded it. 19:39:23 from the quicklisp archives. 19:39:33 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 19:39:34 the latest iolib release should work 19:40:05 but it uses many ASDF3 features so it's not yet in Quicklisp 19:40:05 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04ea28.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz] 20:20:21 hefner: it does. %array-data-vector only works on non-simple-vectors. 20:20:33 non (simple-array * 1) that is. 20:21:20 *hefner* wonders how this code ever worked 20:21:21 thanks. 20:22:12 knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 20:23:19 -!- knob [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:24:21 Vichfret [~anon@189.232.28.143] has joined #lisp 20:26:23 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:48 -!- Watcher7|off is now known as Watcher7 20:27:18 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-245-251.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:44 knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:48 -!- knob3212 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:59 oh, whoops 20:34:13 I'll stop answering questions late at night 20:35:35 -!- knob5312 [~knob@adsl-64-237-237-179.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:36:05 knob5312 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