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Harag: in "defmethod make-box-container ((box um-box) &key content)" with packages, the make-box-container is interned in test-site since you didn't export it from dx-whatever. 03:00:12 ldionmarcil [~maden@dsl-216-221-33-139.mtl.aei.ca] has joined #lisp 03:00:21 Harag: pay more attention to style warnings (and tell me to pay more attention to style warnings :P) 03:00:22 -!- ldionmarcil [~maden@dsl-216-221-33-139.mtl.aei.ca] has quit [Changing host] 03:00:22 ldionmarcil [~maden@unaffiliated/maden] has joined #lisp 03:00:58 darn 03:01:12 thank you Bike you are a life saver! 03:01:33 its so obvious now that you pointed it out! 03:05:04 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:07:32 -!- yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 03:14:17 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18ba43ef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:18:28 gmcastil [~user@75-166-221-214.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:18:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.212] 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Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-123-42.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:10:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.73] has joined #lisp 07:10:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.13.73] has quit [Changing host] 07:10:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 07:11:31 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:04 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 07:12:23 Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.88.235] has joined #lisp 07:13:17 Morning! 07:14:50 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.52.247] has joined #lisp 07:15:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:15:16 Hello everybody. 07:16:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:16:16 jdz: if you interested, I rewrote lots of code and now it correctly receives and sends packets. 07:16:28 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:16:28 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:16:28 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:16:36 hitecnologys: good job, keep it up! 07:16:49 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:17:12 jdz: thanks 07:17:38 hitecnologys: i bet the code looks better and is more clear now? 07:18:24 jdz: yep, it looks better. I got rid of about 5 functions and removed almost half of my networking code but everything works even better now 07:19:24 jdz: I'll push what I did tomorrow as I'm working on new packets processing system at the moment 07:19:54 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:20:12 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:20:36 -!- Chaos`Eternal [~chaos@140.206.88.235] has left #lisp 07:23:27 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 07:27:33 -!- primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:30:09 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:30:31 -!- zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:35:51 -!- alch___ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:55 alch____ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:38:28 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:40:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:40 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:40:40 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:40:40 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:41:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-144.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:41:45 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:42:10 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 07:46:07 hello. I'm reading http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf/Configuring-ASDF.html and I have some .asd links under ~/.local/share/common-lisp/source/ directory , but when asdf is loaded by the implementation's init script, I'm not able to find the packages simlinked in that standard location. Thx for any useful help... 07:50:17 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 07:51:18 Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 07:51:21 pnpuff: reading the documentation i get an impression that in the said directory one should have software, not .asd links 07:52:18 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55:43 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:56:06 dalecooper [~chris@xdsl-85-197-9-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:56:50 -!- zRecursive [~czsq888@118.112.156.8] has left #lisp 07:58:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:00:56 ch077179 [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 08:01:54 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:06:57 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:07:12 Joreji [~thomas@69-144.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 08:08:46 jdz: all ok after (asdf:load-system "name-of-the-system"). thanks 08:09:03 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:12:42 -!- surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:12:57 surrounder_ [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:14:26 -!- namtsui [~user@108.240.216.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:48 namtsui [~user@108.240.216.189] has joined #lisp 08:15:25 -!- surrounder_ [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:16:06 surrounder [~surrounde@095-096-032-026.static.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:20:37 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:46 nostoi [~nostoi@160.Red-88-27-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:50 seifuku_aken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 08:24:08 -!- nug700_ [~nug700@174-19-131-178.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 08:24:48 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:24:57 ck`` [~ck@dslb-188-097-130-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:25:12 zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 08:30:28 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:30:56 -!- SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has quit [Quit: SrPx] 08:31:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:32:02 SrPx [~SrPx@177.133.252.42] has joined #lisp 08:34:22 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-251-78.uio.no] has joined #lisp 08:34:38 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:36:44 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:41:43 seifuku_1ken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 08:43:31 solvip [~solvip@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has joined #lisp 08:44:55 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:46:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:47:25 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:48:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:49:58 -!- zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:51:16 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 08:51:31 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:54:02 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@160.Red-88-27-67.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Seite geschlossen] 08:54:10 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:54:52 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:54:52 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:54:52 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:57:18 -!- seifuku_aken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:06:58 I'm experimenting this error: (WITH-OPEN-FILE (s "/home/nayo/hacking/lisp/my-code/script.lisp" ) (READ-LINE s)) 09:07:24 -!- seifuku_1ken [~aken@li227-80.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:07:35 ops ..this error: SYSTEM::LINE-COMMENT-READER: Invalid byte #xE2 in CHARSET:ASCII conversion 09:08:24 pnpuff: you need to specify the proper external format for the file in with-open-file 09:08:50 and (print custom:*pathname-encoding*) give me: # 09:09:11 pnpuff: the pathname encoding is not relevant here. 09:09:25 I've read http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/faq.html A.4.5 but I do not know how to solve. 09:09:58 pnpuff: read about the :external-format keyword argument to cl:open 09:10:23 nialo [~nialo@ool-18ba43ef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 09:12:55 ryoshu [~kamil@unaffiliated/ryoshu] has joined #lisp 09:13:08 hello 09:13:19 zacharias_ [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 09:13:39 yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has joined #lisp 09:13:41 (set 'detective 'SherlockHolmes) 09:13:53 how to print the value of 'detective? 09:14:02 H4ns: ok, I just added :direction :input :EXTERNAL-FORMAT CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 09:14:10 (printl 'detective) doesn't work 09:14:28 ryoshu: printl, set, what kind of lisp book are you using to learn? 09:14:39 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18ba43ef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:14:54 h4ns, scheme book, but CL interpreter 09:15:08 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 09:15:18 ryoshu: scheme and cl are two completely different languages. you need to use a scheme implementation together with your scheme book. 09:15:46 ok, I'm forced to read it, is my problem solvable? 09:15:49 ryoshu: scheme and cl are as different as javascript and java. 09:16:02 ryoshu: yes. use a scheme implementation and ask your questions in #scheme. 09:19:18 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:19:58 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:20:27 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 09:20:27 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 09:20:27 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:21:34 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:14 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:25:23 weie_ [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 09:26:04 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 09:26:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-144.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:26:29 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:26:31 -!- spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:45 dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 09:33:23 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:33:26 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 09:33:26 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 09:33:26 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 09:34:09 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 09:35:39 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37:21 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-237-24-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:37:49 (WITH-OPEN-FILE (s "/home/nayo/hacking/lisp/my-code/script.lisp" :direction :input :EXTERNAL-FORMAT CHARSET:ISO-8859-1 ) (do\ ((l (read-line s) (read-line s nil 'eof))) ((eq l 'eof) "Reached end of file.") (format t "~&*** ~A~%" l))) is now ok, but I'm experimenting the same error when I'm doing (load "/home/nayo/hacking/lisp/my-code/script.lisp"). So what can I do to load the file? 09:38:12 do not paste code chunks to the channel. use paste.lisp.org 09:38:18 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-sgpestkykaplmgls] has joined #lisp 09:38:19 ok, sorry 09:38:28 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:38:30 you need to adjust your implementation's default external format. 09:39:29 paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 09:44:03 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:30 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:44:40 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 09:45:16 jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.32.203] has joined #lisp 09:46:40 Does anyone know id there is any solution (with SBCL) flatform specific, or not, that allows me to decode ISO-2022-JP? Flexi-streams doesn't know about it, and neither does Babel 09:48:26 Thra11 [~Thra11@46.208.1.219] has joined #lisp 09:48:47 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:49:13 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:49:29 bitonic [~user@97e105e8.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 09:51:01 -!- dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:54:30 -!- yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:55:52 ehu [~ehu@109.35.53.250] has joined #lisp 10:00:35 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.35.53.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:56 -!- alch____ [~michael@pb6abea75.tokyff01.ap.so-net.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: alch____] 10:02:33 y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has joined #lisp 10:03:44 namtsui` [~user@69.111.143.133] has joined #lisp 10:04:23 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 10:04:43 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:05:25 -!- namtsui [~user@108.240.216.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:05:26 sometimes i wonder if cl wouldn't be more popular with todays kids if the hyperspec was fluffy... 10:06:30 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 10:06:39 zorkmoid: Actually 10:06:43 (been digging through some ugly ruby code an phd wrote ... the documentation for ruby is pretty .. though quite vauge) 10:06:44 zorkmoid: I agree with you 10:06:49 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:10 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:09:55 -!- ckoch786_ [~quassel@108-70-143-173.lightspeed.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:10:08 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.79.175] has joined #lisp 10:10:11 pitty that the legality of our spec is fubar.. 10:10:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:11:10 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 10:11:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:12:28 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 10:12:50 -!- kdas__ [kdas@nat/redhat/x-gukaowppqhogcrmv] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:13:14 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:14:35 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:55 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:41 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:28:53 ehu [~ehu@109.35.53.250] has joined #lisp 10:29:36 spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:31:07 antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 10:34:23 I've talked to Pitman about it. His stance is that anyone who wanted to do something with the dpans3 sources would be in the clear. 10:35:43 Xach: Really? That would be cool... 10:36:09 -!- y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz] 10:36:12 One of my random dreams is making a decent hardcover of it, and I thought there could be real problems, but he didn't think there would be. 10:36:47 He isn't a lawyer, but he does have a lot more historical context than I do. 10:36:52 Mm... you think people would use a hardcover these days? 10:37:27 That's one of the reasons why it's only a dream. 10:37:36 :-) 10:37:49 I guess one first step would be convertign the thing into something machine parsable... 10:38:11 The tex sources are available. 10:38:21 They aren't very friendly to pase... 10:38:23 The comments are sometimes entertaining. 10:38:40 :-) 10:39:39 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-190-225.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41:13 is the spec reference available in some machine readable form? 10:41:19 Yes, it is. 10:41:22 where? 10:41:40 http://quimby.gnus.org/circus/cl/dpANS3/ 10:41:59 among several other places. key search term is dpans3. 10:42:04 there's no hyperlinks 10:42:07 or dpANS3R... 10:42:36 It is kinda machine readable... tex is hard to parse sanley.. 10:42:56 zorkmoid: some heuristic parsing could do something with this 10:43:12 There's one public program, dpans2texi, that converts it to something else. And kmp wrote something to convert it to the hyperspec, though I doubt that will see the light of day. 10:43:28 Xach: yeah, dpans2texi is nice.. 10:43:37 -!- paddymahoney [~patrick@198-84-186-52.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:01 what is the most common documentation format thesedays? 10:44:22 maybe one could be sufficient enough using org-mode or something ... 10:44:33 I want to take this, and create a "pretty" website that can also bring in documentation from third-party libraries 10:44:36 without loosing enough info 10:44:38 with crossrefs 10:44:58 loke_: i think one should get the spec into a easy parsable format first.. 10:45:16 zorkmoid: of course. that'd be step one. 10:45:20 just ripping dpans3 as is, and spitting out some html .. well, you've got the hyperspc for that! 10:45:27 zorkmoid: No 10:45:49 zorkmoid: the hyperspec isn't extensible. We were talking about something that'd rival _other_ languages documentation, weren't we? 10:46:08 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:46:11 face it, we know how to use the hyperspec, but it can be a pain in the arse for a beginner to deal with 10:46:30 I know I was swearing over it 10:46:55 problem with any effor like this is that everyone will want something just a bit different :-) 10:46:57 loke_: is your twilio stuff ready for other users? 10:47:10 Xach: Hmm... Not really 10:47:14 ok. 10:47:24 Xach: Well, it works, but it's not complete 10:47:46 pretty css won't make it any easier for the unwashed to understand 10:48:06 stassats: That's not my intention 10:49:26 Xach: You want to do something with twilio? 10:51:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:53:00 loke_: what format would you use? 10:53:44 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:53:57 zorkmoid: I don't know. I'm definitely not looking to supersede the hyperspec. This would be a pure ference, so it wouldn't contain whole sections. 10:54:05 zorkmoid: reference 10:54:10 loke_: oh, pitty... 10:54:22 I'd like something to supersede it.. 10:54:54 -!- jerryzhou [~gururui@119.52.32.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:07 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.35.53.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:56:43 -!- ykm [4627b034@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.39.176.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:57:29 zorkmoid: Too much work for me. :-) 10:57:33 :-) 10:57:37 zorkmoid: However, if you want to work on that, I'd be happy to help 10:57:44 alch___ [~michael@EM117-55-68-2.emobile.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 10:57:56 loke_: maybe... thinking how one would go about sanley.. 10:58:02 namtsui`` [~user@108.226.191.101] has joined #lisp 11:01:47 Gooder` [~user@218.69.12.194] has joined #lisp 11:01:55 -!- namtsui` [~user@69.111.143.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:04:28 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:05:45 -!- Gooder [~user@51.155.200.192.client.dyn.strong-in144.as13926.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05:53 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:101:f1b1:c517:f717:6f60] has joined #lisp 11:06:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:08:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:08:55 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:09:49 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:11:03 nilsi [~nilsi@student-246-170.eduroam.uu.se] has joined #lisp 11:12:19 -!- bitonic [~user@97e105e8.skybroadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:12:37 zorkmoid: Well, just let me know 11:13:05 http://lokedhs.com 11:13:52 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:14:49 loke_: i'm always looking for new and useful libraries for quicklisp 11:15:10 Xach: Ah I see. I thought about that, but twilio isn't ready for that yet 11:15:47 (I'm not sure if it ever will though, since the project I was working on where I needed it has been shelved for the moment) 11:19:14 loke_: will do.. 11:19:52 -!- Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:19:55 -!- gmcastil [~user@75-166-221-214.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:21:38 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:22:10 davazp [~user@31.200.190.32] has joined #lisp 11:22:48 Kabaka [kabaka@botters/kabaka] has joined #lisp 11:23:49 loke_: what do you think about using texinfo for any such efforts? 11:24:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:26:29 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:26:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-110.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:28:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:32:24 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:35:33 y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has joined #lisp 11:35:53 What should I read first to start learning clojure if I already know CL good enough? 11:36:43 hitecnologys: you should forget everything that you know about cl, then ask in #clojure about the best clojure book and read it. 11:36:53 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:37:02 Clojure is that different? 11:37:10 hitecnologys: clojure is different enough from cl to make applying cl ideas while learning it be a bad idea. 11:37:16 hitecnologys: yes. very very different. 11:37:25 hitecnologys: and off-topic in cl, fwiw 11:37:31 that's bad, I just wanted to play with it a bit =( 11:37:47 sorry for off-topic, I thought it's another lisp 11:38:16 hitecnologys: yes. #lisp is about a specific lisp, common lisp. 11:43:01 -!- y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispIndentation 13:14:09 aeth: you mean why is _your_ emacs not smarter? 13:14:14 aeth: you could look at setting some of the lisp-...loop-...-indentation variables.. 13:14:27 aeth: my does what the first snippet shows 13:14:33 Matt_S_G [~Matt_S_G@87.109.43.48] has joined #lisp 13:14:44 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:33 aeth, lisp-simple-loop-indentation lisp-loop-keyword-indentation lisp-loop-forms-indentation ... 13:16:18 -!- zacharias is now known as zacharias_ 13:16:33 -!- zacharias_ is now known as zacharias 13:16:40 aeth: it's because of the slime-indentation contrib 13:16:47 stassats: my emacs does something in the middle with DECF aligned with the space right before SETF rather than the left paren right before 13:17:37 so the d is right under the ( of setf 13:18:17 oohhh... i like slime-indentation! 13:18:28 alch____ [~michael@EM119-72-193-232.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:20:35 -!- alch___ 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[~chris@xdsl-85-197-9-132.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: dalecooper] 15:34:01 -!- Gavilan2 [~Gavilan2@198.144.156.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:37:39 (lambda (phrase) (if (member phrase +greetings+ :test #'string-equal) "hello")) 15:37:42 I can automate it! :o 15:39:26 pierpa [~user@host117-20-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:41:01 -!- svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@2a02:6b8:0:101:15be:d22a:54f6:f8f5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:44:30 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44:31 -!- primenum [~primenum@c-71-231-57-77.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:45:21 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 15:47:53 przl [~przlrkt@p4FE64EDD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 15:47:54 ykm [~ykm@180.148.41.21] has joined #lisp 15:50:31 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.101.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:37 I would like to talk, but I really don't have a subject 15:56:38 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:56:52 I'm not working with CL right now, only the scripts 15:56:58 boo 15:57:48 seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:09 -!- ykm [~ykm@180.148.41.21] has left #lisp 15:58:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-78-112.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:00:56 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:01:08 nilsi [~nilsi@host-95-199-203-12.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:28 miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:01:42 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:01:53 I was reading about lambda calculus on wikipedia yesterday 16:02:14 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:02:45 ykm [~ykm@180.148.41.21] has joined #lisp 16:02:53 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:13 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:17 Denommus: I haven't studied that much of lambda calculus, but right away I notice a big difference between lambda calculus anonymous functions and lambda procedures in CL. 16:05:57 Wikipedia says lambda calculus functions only accept one variable, using currying for functions with multiple variables. 16:07:12 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:30 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:11 -!- ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ivjpvuhwrpfxrgjz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:11 -!- pw_ [uid2072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsrreinoaftsfkxk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:11 -!- SeanTAllen [uid4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kunyjszhhjttfhop] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:11 -!- d4gg4d 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I thought it is something clever though, like the y-combinator. 16:50:32 makes it easier to read academic papers about fun tricks 16:50:54 There's no utility to it. It's just something cool that attracts mathematicians. 16:51:14 yes, I just found it interesting 16:52:18 who needs applications of theory? :-P 16:54:32 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f754b99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:58:39 -!- Tordek_ is now known as Tordek 16:59:16 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-185.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59:25 -!- seangrove [~user@c-69-181-197-122.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:59:45 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:02:09 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 17:03:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-139.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:04:00 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:04:50 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-156-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:44 surely no one study the formal language theory to write a parser or a lexer or to use a regular expression ... 17:06:20 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: normanrichards] 17:07:01 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 17:07:18 compiler and parser generator authors sure do 17:07:39 I would hope they would, in any case 17:10:01 zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has joined #lisp 17:10:41 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:10:58 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-243.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:11:23 pnpuff_ [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:13:44 lusory [~lusory@42.60.25.228] has joined #lisp 17:14:05 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:14:25 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:43 dotemacs_ [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmernvmuxegdyoma] has joined #lisp 17:14:51 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:21 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:19:18 what is the current fashion on portable run-program? 17:20:06 I found :lisp-executable, :trivial-shell.. did not H4ns had a lib for that too? 17:20:09 but I can't find his 17:20:26 uiop has something iirc 17:20:46 well I'm using trivial-shell, since plenty full-featured to me 17:20:48 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:21:46 hmm uiop is officially exported never gonna go away thing? 17:21:53 with fare you never know 17:21:54 ha ha ha ha ha 17:22:13 ok guess not 17:22:23 If it breaks you get a full refund, I guess. 17:22:35 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-37-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 17:23:09 -!- n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:23:21 no, what I meant Fare did say he wants other ppl to use it, or is it his internal utilities? I did not follow new asdf stuff, but from what I understand he was at one of meetups etc 17:23:39 I think it's meant to be used. 17:23:47 ok cool 17:24:20 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:25:01 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 17:25:02 If you're using iolib, I think it has something too 17:26:09 photex [uid2006@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwtborzdjdfogzcu] has joined #lisp 17:26:11 doh, somehow left my mind to check "umbrella" libs first 17:26:45 pw_ [uid2072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nagiopzidzricugh] has joined #lisp 17:28:28 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:28:40 maxm-: zombie-making libraries ? 17:30:16 I can't find exported iolib one, there is iolib-grovel::invoke 17:31:09 fe[nl]ix: heh, btw will you apply cffi optimization patch? 17:31:25 iolib/os:run-program and iolib/os:create-process 17:31:30 for the (foreign-type-size :int) thing? 17:31:53 maxm-: this weekend, I promise :) 17:32:06 hmm I don't have iolib/os, is it a separate system from just iolib? 17:32:12 during the ECLM 17:32:23 it's in iolib.asd 17:32:54 zacts [~zacts@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 17:33:01 ah I forgot about ECLM.. Man you guys have more conferences and meetups then anyone, surprisinly there is any time to code at all :-) 17:33:31 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1216-172.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:33:32 there's so much extra time because of how little work it takes to get something working D: 17:34:08 may as well be lots of conferences, boomerang-throwing competitions, and internet fights 17:34:12 well, time between asdf major versions seems to decrease exponentially 17:34:29 asdf's versions will eventually reach singularity 17:35:05 josemanuel [~josemanue@70.174.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:35:51 someone summon xkcd or smbc guy, to make a graph joke with ASDF achiving singularity around 2023, resurrecting joe mccarthy, and making him dictator of Earth 17:36:07 lol, great minds think alike 17:36:21 but as a deep thinker I take things farther :-) 17:36:21 PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pdpuqaqytbctfzfa] has joined #lisp 17:36:29 inelegant 17:36:57 armchair criticism, do better 17:38:45 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ueehjoumqrryqmwz] has joined #lisp 17:43:37 AeroNotix [~xeno@abob31.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:43:54 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:45:25 -!- pnpuff_ is now known as pnpuff 17:47:50 SeanTAllen [uid4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jewmizumicpaqvlb] has joined #lisp 17:48:57 varjag [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lmhbuwbeibfbcttk] has joined #lisp 17:49:07 ehu [~Erik@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:52:39 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:54:31 rvirding [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdpvdfonjpklnagh] has joined #lisp 17:54:38 -!- christopher [~christoph@67.197.41.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:40 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 17:55:18 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-188-097-130-138.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:55:27 imu96 [~imran@91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 17:57:05 -!- zacharias [~zacharias@unaffiliated/zacharias] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1-dev] 17:57:31 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:58:19 ehu` [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:00:23 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:13 tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:01:52 d4gg4d [uid7020@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ckxegcrbvudpnbrh] has joined #lisp 18:03:23 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.52.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03:54 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:05:37 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 18:05:46 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:06:05 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 18:09:47 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:10:07 maxm-: do those two functions work for you ? 18:12:40 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12:50 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@46.208.1.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:38 yea works fine, thanks 18:15:28 -!- miql [~miql@ip68-98-19-126.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:23:19 maxm-: which one do you use ? 18:23:27 -!- jangle [~jimmy1984@dsl-162.7-238.gtb.net] has quit [Quit: jangle] 18:24:21 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:24:29 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 18:25:41 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:25:57 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:27:07 Thra11 [~Thra11@46.208.201.254] has joined #lisp 18:27:10 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abob31.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:27:29 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 18:28:56 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:32:58 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 18:33:57 can ECL be used to generate an executable, or only object files? 18:35:31 yes, you can dump a standalone binary. 18:35:47 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[aft] 18:35:52 but it is only a image, like SBCL's? 18:36:05 ggherdov [uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjsuaoilxshjosju] has joined #lisp 18:36:13 SBCL can dump a standalone binary, as well. 18:36:33 "only an image" compared to what amazing technological leap? 18:37:13 I'm still understanding common Lisp's compilation process, so don't mock me 18:37:49 Sorry, it wasn't intended to be ill-humored 18:38:45 Denommus: pretty much all major lisp implementations are able to dump a standalone binary that includes everything you need (modulo external C libraries) to run the application. 18:39:20 bitonic [~user@97e105e8.skybroadband.com] has joined #lisp 18:39:24 so, it's not like the C process, where you translate your code to some kind of assembly 18:39:29 however, they tend to just dump the runtime in an executable segment with a image as a big blob 18:39:34 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 18:39:43 no, no. The code is translated to assembly in the image 18:39:48 er, machine code 18:39:52 AeroNotix [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:40:21 Denommus: in the case of SBCL, it translates lisp code to assembly and assembles it itself. 18:40:38 The runtime and compiler share the same memory space as your program 18:40:39 mattrepl [~mattrepl@ip-64-134-99-142.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:45 in the case of ECL, the code is translated to C, which is then compiled to machine code by a C compiler. 18:41:17 then you save the environment, not only your program. That's why a compressed Hello World application is 13 MB 18:41:53 you save the environment including the entire compiler and all that jazz. Yes. 18:42:05 some implementations are able to treeshake which removes most things you're not actively using. 18:42:21 sykopomp: which implementations? 18:42:27 unfortunately, I have to admit CL isn't the best language for deploying Hello World to the unwashed masses. 18:42:35 dlowe: LW has a treeshaker. 18:42:53 hm. wonder how effective it is 18:43:08 slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:25 istr "effective enough" 18:43:40 not as good as factor's treeshaker, though, iirc :) 18:43:55 factor can get you something sick-small like a couple of K 18:44:11 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:55 when I do: clisp -M/usr/local/lib/cpc.mem I get a strenge error: initialization file `/usr/local/lib/cpc.mem' was not created by this version of CLISP runtime . Why? 18:45:03 I'm worried about that because I'm considering ECL as a scripting language for a project 18:45:08 *strange 18:45:18 but I have to deploy to mobile, so I don't have all this storage 18:46:27 -!- ckoch786 [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:46:35 ecl images are *much* smaller than SBCL's 18:46:43 I think something like 5mb uncompressed or something? icr 18:46:50 pnpuff: possibly exactly what it says? 18:50:26 Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-143-81-52.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 18:54:41 ckoch_ [~ckoch@98.103.82.66] has joined #lisp 18:54:57 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@ip-64-134-99-142.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:54:58 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 18:55:07 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:55:46 Denommus: size of image = CL environment + libs + your code. So the share of the CL environment gets smaller in proportion the more you code and the more libs you use. 18:56:08 that is, "hello world" is not a very good test. 18:56:25 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:56:45 prxq: but 13 MB raw is too much for a mobile app, don't you think? 18:57:10 anyway, just managed to build a hello world in ECL. 13,8 KB. Roughly equivalent to C 18:57:23 the standalone executable? 18:57:28 yes 18:57:32 nice 18:57:49 the big fat .so is somewhere else, i bet. 18:57:59 Denommus: no idea if that's too much. 18:58:14 -!- Praise- is now known as Praise 18:58:26 I have to test if it runs in another Linux machine, but I think it will 18:59:03 and no, 13mb really isn't that much these days, for a mobile app. 18:59:30 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 18:59:58 im not sure what the cutoff is these days, a few years ago an iphone app would get killed at ~25 megs 19:00:27 and the iPhone has more memory than a popular Android 19:00:38 (popular as in cheap, sorry) 19:01:49 AeroNotix [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:01:58 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 19:02:34 nug700 [~nug700@184-98-120-212.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:09 -!- runningskull is now known as zz_runningskull 19:04:47 meow_ [5b8cb04e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.140.176.78] has joined #lisp 19:05:19 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-251-162.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:05:37 meow 19:05:39 okay 19:05:43 -!- meow_ [5b8cb04e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.140.176.78] has quit [Client Quit] 19:05:59 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:28 ... what was this? 19:08:22 Sagane [~Sagane@177.100-226-89.dsl.completel.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:35 a stray cat? 19:10:31 pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-93-94.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:11:13 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 19:12:25 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-251-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:13:46 mattrepl [~mattrepl@ip-64-134-99-142.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:56 -!- zz_runningskull is now known as runningskull 19:20:13 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:20:52 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 19:24:17 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:17 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 19:26:38 snowylike2 [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:26:55 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 19:26:57 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:28:26 -!- _d3f [~gnu@ip-static-94-242-252-66.as5577.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 19:30:40 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abog57.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 19:31:31 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:32:54 pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:33:40 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:34 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-178-140-78-173.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-251-162.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:36:58 that's why you spay and neuter your experimental artificial intelligence cats... so you don't have stray digital cats wandering in and out of various locations of cyberspace. :-) 19:37:59 Bike [~Glossina@75-164-174-173.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:10 chameco [~samuel@cpe-67-241-240-138.stny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:44:10 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 19:45:09 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Bummer 19:57:05 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 20:00:41 -!- pnpuff [~ln@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:01:50 n1x [~n1x@unaffiliated/n1xnc0d3] has joined #lisp 20:02:03 pnpuff [~LlL@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:02:53 Denommus: hmm I've not used -h in a while, that's possible, but you can use (setf c::*delete-files* nil) 20:03:22 which preserves source and header files 20:04:00 AeroNotix [~xeno@abor69.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:04:50 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:26 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:52 _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:09:52 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-71-100-236-211.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:09:52 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 20:10:35 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-63.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read 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flusher thread and such) 22:25:55 (set 'cyfry (list 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)) (print cyfry) <- ECL complains about a style error, why? 22:26:06 but then traced it to printing the time part, and to above 22:26:17 that cyfry is assumed as a global 22:26:33 ryoshu: you shouldn't set undefined variables 22:26:44 and you shouldn't use SET, unless you know what you're doing 22:27:01 ah, undefined? 22:27:02 (defvar cyfry (list 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)) 22:27:06 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:11 (setf cyfry (reverse cyfry)) 22:27:13 etc. 22:27:31 ah, thanks stassats` 22:30:16 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-75-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:31:16 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:33:10 guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has joined #lisp 22:33:51 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e78e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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Seems like glibc bug, I see a fix for netbsd, not sure if its even fixed in glibc 22:47:30 coz killing a thread in the middle of a call to localtime_r(), prevents any farther localtime_r() from working, due to tzset() lock being stuck 22:48:53 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 22:50:26 -!- guiambros [~guiambros@z65-50-88-217.ips.direcpath.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:51:50 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:07 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:53 -!- y5h [~textual@116.36.42.92] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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