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[~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 02:26:26 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:26:59 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:27:12 Is there an API by which I can provide new path providers? 02:28:55 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 02:33:12 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 02:34:53 nothing portable, I fear 02:35:14 mindCrime [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 02:35:49 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:06 p_l: Hmm... Which CL's have support? 02:37:09 SBCL has? 02:37:58 I think you could hack something in, and *some* might have some form of support (ABCL actually mgiht have something lurking in java.io) 02:39:16 Just to provide some background: I would like my Gdata API to expose the Google Drive integration via pathnames. Today, it's just a disconnected set of functions. 02:40:15 loke: nothing in the standard, I'd say 02:40:28 it verges into OS territory, too 02:41:11 in define-method-combination I am trying to get the entire argument list of the calling method from the documentation I assumed (:arguments &whole args) should do this, but what I seem to get is &whole bound to a var and then args bound to the next; using LispWorks 02:41:21 p_l: Yeah. I know the standard doesn't have anything, but if enough implementations support it one could build a trivial-xxx library around it. 02:41:43 Am I misunderstanding what (:arguments &whole args) should do 02:42:18 loke: in general, while I like that kind of functionality, I prefer such integrations to be on OS-level 02:43:01 Guthur: it's possible lispworks has a bug. d-m-c is not often used 02:43:18 Bike: yeah I was considering that a possibility as well 02:43:39 Bike: about to try with SBCL, just thought I'd ask incase there was something obvious 02:44:13 Bike: Thanks for shortening it to d-m-c. Now I have "walk this way" playing in my head. 02:44:25 not a bad outcome, surely 02:44:51 It is. I have no speakers nor headphones in the office, so I can't listen to the song right now :-) 02:45:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_UYYPb-Gk 02:45:52 Now it'll ring in your ears too :-) 02:49:21 ah it does indeed seem to be an issue with LispWorks 02:49:29 it does exactly what I expect with SBCL 02:49:39 time to file a bug report me thinks 02:56:36 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:58:17 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@ip68-231-209-84.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:01:59 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 03:03:39 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06:02 -!- pierpa` [~user@host76-53-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:06:12 -!- Shozan [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:06:36 Shozan [~shozan@fsf/member/shodan] has joined #lisp 03:08:14 -!- youlysses [~youlysses@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:09:28 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:09 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:27 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:11:08 hey guys anyone ever do the hackerrank challenges? 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That is using a setf expander, not a place, right? 08:13:51 a place cannot be "used", it is a concept 08:14:11 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:15:09 right 08:16:03 I want to articulate the idea that even if the code looks "functional" to the untrained, it's actually easy to write in imperative style in CL thanks to (in particular) the notion of a place that you can change 08:16:13 that leads me to showing a little example with setf 08:16:18 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:16:42 code which has setf in it does not look very "functional" to me in the first place. 08:16:43 and I've been using (set (gethash ...)) which I like as a "magic" available to the programmer 08:16:45 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 08:16:59 yes you're very much not the untrained 08:17:07 it's still a function call 08:17:27 and people I've been talking to want to believe that assignment and function calls are not the same things 08:17:50 (setf ...) is a function call? 08:17:56 that's why I think explaining places and showing some setf/incf etc examples is important and warrants a carefully chosen example 08:18:10 looks like it for the untrained 08:18:38 well, the first thing that you got to tell them is that setf is common lisp's general syntax for assignment 08:18:38 you need to actually open the documentation to know it's not a function call 08:18:45 not at all. 08:18:58 oh, so much things I need to learn still ;) 08:19:42 general syntax for assignment is way better than "generalized references" in my little article, yes 08:20:01 and it allows me to keep my favourite setf example, with a hash table 08:20:03 thanks 08:20:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:20:26 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:20:40 so, how do you figure out that setf is a macro (not a function) without opening the docs? 08:21:37 i learn it. it is a wrong preconsumption to assume that everything starting with an opening parenthesis is a function call. there is a certain number of special forms, functions and macros that one just has to learn to be able to read lisp code. 08:22:17 agreed, I should take that angle in my little article maybe 08:28:58 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:29:11 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:29:11 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:29:19 would you use define-setf-expander or defsetf or some other forms to add to setf? (I've never done that yet) 08:30:03 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:30:08 i've never used define-setf-expander, defsetf maybe once or twice. (defun (setf ..) ..) fit my needs in general. 08:30:38 ok, on my way to find the docs about it :) 08:31:40 Yuuhi` [benni@pD9F9828D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 08:31:53 maybe in (info "(ansicl) Kinds of Places") 08:33:32 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5DC6231E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:34:09 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:34:12 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.88.18.168] has left #lisp 08:34:19 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 08:34:43 like clos, places are an example of where common lisp went into great lengths to provide an implementation of a certain idea or concept that one can completely ignore, too :) 08:35:43 H4ns: What do you mean by that? That CLOS has no business in CL, or that CLOS is overspecified? 08:36:32 -!- ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:02 loke: neither of that. i mean that cl has areas that are engineered in a very deep fashion but that are not crucial to the language itself. it is that deepness that i find admireable, even though i may not actually use the specific features much or at all. 08:37:20 Oh, roght 08:37:22 right 08:38:01 But on the other hand, there are things that are very deep, but somewhat misplaced. (deep in the wrong places, not deep enough where it should be). I.e. pathnames or sequences 08:39:13 certainly so. but then, there are language where the beauty is only skin deep and you don't have to look hard to recognize how little thought has gone into them in the first place. 08:40:19 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:40:53 H4ns: Oh yeah. I'm not disagreeing with you at all 08:41:27 I totally agree with you H4ns, that's one of the reasons why I like CL very much: every little problem I have, when it's part of the specs, has received so much detailed attention than I can relax and use the provided solution 08:41:36 well after spending enough time to actually understand them 08:41:54 the problem with pathnames IMV is that the solution is nowadays more complex than the problem, mostly 08:42:13 I do feel, however, that we could do well to have a small targeted standardisation effort on some small things that are needed to provide the necessary scaffolding for some of these things, like extendable sequences, extendable LOOP, pathnames, etc... 08:43:16 the old "we can have a new common lisp" fallacy :D 08:43:33 -!- Krystof changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: ELS'13 Registration Open, CL-PPCRE 2.0.4, DRAKMA 1.3.2, CFFI 0.11.1, Hunchentoot 1.2.17 08:44:02 H4ns: not at all. I feel that for the most part, the "standard" (or common) libraries like bordeaux-threads, closer-mop, etc. provide a de-facto standard and do a pretty good job at it. 08:44:48 H4ns: There are just some things that hasn't been standardised in such a way yet. That includes pathnames, sequences and more extensible docstrings (introspection). Also, a debugger API would be useful too 08:45:16 all of that would be useful, but it is very hard to please this community. 08:45:17 (deftype cell () `(integer 1 5)) (make-array 5 :element-type 'cell :initial-element 0) but I don't get an error, even I'm running with (optimize (debug 3) (safety 3))? 08:45:19 If such things could be standardised through third-party libraries, that'd be good enough for me, although a docstring syntax would be hard 08:45:34 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:45:43 H4ns: QL has done a lot 08:45:53 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:13 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 08:46:13 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 08:46:13 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:46:26 loke: right. quicklisp _is_ the de-facto standard. 08:47:42 loke: (in the open source lisp world, which is probably only a fraction of the common lisp user base) 08:48:05 I used QL in a major commercial deployment too 08:49:30 when do you mean by "major"? 08:49:38 foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has joined #lisp 08:50:11 s/when/what/ 08:50:14 H4ns: Major national bank, web application used by all branch offices 08:50:41 a few hundred branch offices, handling forex trading 08:50:50 that's nice, congratulations :) 08:51:04 how many people have written code for that? 08:51:06 H4ns: yeah, I liked it 08:51:13 Me, primarily 08:51:28 a few people at the bank have been managing it after that 08:51:31 -!- gmcastil [~user@207-224-44-98.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:52:07 The application itself aggregates the trades and nets everything to the backend risk system 08:55:42 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@213.red-83-61-64.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:57:21 abeaumont [~abeaumont@53.Red-83-34-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined 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Joreji [~thomas@64-063.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:21:53 antoszka: where are these events? 12:22:49 protist: Madrid. If you google for ELS 2013 and ECLM 2013 you'll find all the info. 12:23:00 ah...i am in new zealand 12:23:17 -!- clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:18 Come on over! Should be fun. 12:24:22 mindCrime [~prhodes@12.198.68.2] has joined #lisp 12:24:32 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:25:37 protist: Then I suppose you could liven up #lisp-nz a bit. It's been pretty much dormant for the past few years ;) 12:25:48 clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:25:53 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.231.63] has joined #lisp 12:26:32 antoszka: lol 12:26:40 Xach: if only 12:27:01 I am from America...and constantly realizing how nothing comes here 12:27:26 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:27:26 goodnight #lisp 12:28:15 -!- protist [~protist@205.173.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:28:28 Greetings! 12:37:36 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-95.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 12:38:35 -!- spacefro1 [~spacefrog@wf0334.dip.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38:56 Hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has joined #lisp 12:40:43 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:10 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 12:43:15 -!- dbh [~dbh@182.55.3.19] 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Once I'm done I hope I'll be able to do source level debugging of CL in GDB. 14:14:33 drmeister: good luck with that. 14:15:03 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has joined #lisp 14:15:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:15:45 brucem: Thank you. 14:17:30 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:18:01 Juanito-Jons [~jreynoso@177.224.211.211] has joined #lisp 14:18:05 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:18:49 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:20:06 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:20:44 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:21:39 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:22:01 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:22:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:23:17 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:23:53 sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 14:24:36 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:24:38 did anyone solve the "Fair and square" problem of Google Code Jam with a fast algorithm? 14:24:39 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:25:34 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:26:39 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 14:27:00 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:28:37 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:45 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003835.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:31:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has joined #lisp 14:31:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has quit [Changing host] 14:31:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:31:36 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:24 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:33:09 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 14:33:09 andy_arvid [~andy@201-3-34-170.cbace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 14:33:38 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:34:09 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:39:05 Kenjin_ [~kenjin@193.136.206.220] has joined #lisp 14:40:52 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-95.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:41:22 victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has joined #lisp 14:42:38 Is there a function to test if one list is sublist of another? I tried sublistp but it doesn't care about an order. 14:42:52 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 14:43:09 hitecnologys: search is one option 14:43:17 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:51 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:43:53 Although if you mean they share structure, I suppose tailp is more appropriate 14:44:59 clhs subsetp 14:44:59 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_subset.htm 14:45:17 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:37 Subsetp tests if list elements is part of some _set_ so it doesn't care about order. 14:46:40 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:47:31 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@36.43.153.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:49 Ener2 [~enerccio@158.194.169.56] has joined #lisp 14:47:57 Hello 14:48:03 p_nathan [~vlion@76.178.163.213] has joined #lisp 14:48:15 Search looks like what I need, thx. 14:48:20 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 14:48:24 I have theoretical question, what do you think is the smallest possible subset of objects in lisp that you would need to make everything rest in CL? 14:48:32 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-21-199.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:48:34 hello to all #lisp members!? 14:48:53 Ener2: 13 14:49:34 Xach: that many? 14:49:35 I've heard about 7. 14:49:45 Someone already suggested Baker's paper on the topic, I see. 14:49:51 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:49:52 Baker probably thought about it more than most. 14:49:56 I have noted down so far: fixnum, float, cons cell, arra, hash table, compiled function 14:50:31 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:09 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:51:16 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has joined #lisp 14:51:58 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:52:39 oh and symbols, duh 14:53:27 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 14:53:57 bakers paper displays some fun macrology atleast. I thought labels defined as a macro on flet was pretty cool! You'll have to make some minor changes to some of the macros to get them to run, though 14:54:30 Xach: s 14:54:35 so what are those 13? 14:55:29 -!- xristos` is now known as xristos 14:55:49 on [~user@244.Red-88-13-201.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:12 -!- on is now known as Guest8936 14:56:34 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:57 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has joined #lisp 14:56:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:57:23 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:58:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:58:08 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:24 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:58:32 thomas_yzj [~user@175.0.168.68] has joined #lisp 14:58:46 Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] has joined #lisp 14:59:03 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.0.168.68] has quit [Client Quit] 14:59:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:59:21 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has joined #lisp 15:00:12 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00:32 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.84.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:59 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:55 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has joined #lisp 15:05:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.69.29] has quit [Changing host] 15:05:55 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:08:30 Ener2: cons, car (but NOT cdr), subst, nreconc, conjugate, lambda (duh), schar, and make-load-form-saving-slots. 15:08:37 hmm, that's not 13 yet, oops. 15:08:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:09:40 sdsl [~sdsl@a95-92-86-215.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 15:12:46 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 15:13:08 hello to all #lisp members! 15:13:56 hi 15:14:49 Xach: car? 15:15:48 Ener2: Sorry, I can't get excited about theoretical questions like that, so I resort to jokes. There is no meaning to it. 15:16:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@85-039.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:17:37 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@chello084112185050.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 15:18:23 just encode everything with integers, it was enough for gödel! 15:19:04 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@ip-4761.sunline.net.ua] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:21:42 Xach: I think all you need is subtypep 15:21:51 well what I want to do is implementation of lisp that has minimal objects in implementation and everything else built on top of that 15:22:52 Ener2: then just start with it. maybe get "lisp in small pieces" if you really want to learn how a lisp compiler is implemented. 15:22:57 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-234-17.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:24:33 As evidence of Zachs propensity to joke on the matter: http://compgroups.net/comp.lang.lisp/minimal-keywords-needed-for-constructing-a-ful/701489 15:24:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-101.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:47 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 15:25:02 spacefro1 [~spacefrog@141.76.92.57] has joined #lisp 15:25:43 Just implement EVAL. Done. 15:27:23 oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.135.219] has joined #lisp 15:27:42 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 15:28:13 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:59 Ener2, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ImplementingLisp 15:30:01 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.210.168] has joined #lisp 15:30:52 -!- spacefro1 [~spacefrog@141.76.92.57] has quit [Quit: spacefro1] 15:31:08 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 15:31:11 How could I have forgotten LOGICAL-CHUNKIFY? 15:31:19 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.231.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:51 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@123.20.27.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:35 Xach: does not look like it belongs to the set -- seems to me it can be implemented using PRIMIFY, CONSIFY and HEAPIFY. 15:35:50 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:36:37 -!- Kruppe [~user@93.90.164.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:48 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:37:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:38:57 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 15:39:01 lies! 15:39:09 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:51 oh, sorry, must have misundestood your paper! 15:40:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:42:02 hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564027.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:42:29 -!- _8david [~user@port-212-202-134-139.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:42:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 ellusioner [ellusioner@c-171ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:43:54 -!- hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564027.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:43:59 http://enthusiasm.cozy.org/archives/2013/04/whats-new-in-quicklisp 15:44:09 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:18 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:44:20 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:44:57 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:45:03 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 15:45:43 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:45:48 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.55.135.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:13 Xach: do you have any spare capacity to test quicklisp with the current sbcl tree? 15:46:31 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 15:47:18 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Client Quit] 15:47:35 -!- hugoduncan [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564027.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:48:04 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 15:49:33 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 15:51:17 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:51:27 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279564027.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 15:54:48 -!- Hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:55:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:55:01 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-031-020.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:56:55 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-oxjschwpxijhiuiq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:57:02 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:58:17 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 15:58:23 Krystof: Did it right after the freeze email 15:58:40 Krystof: Did you see my remark about new define-condition strictness re :default-initargs? 15:58:56 It busted make-hash, but the author fixed it pretty quickly. That was all the breakage I found. 16:00:32 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: mental deadlock] 16:00:39 -!- notori0us is now known as czl 16:00:44 -!- czl is now known as notori0us 16:01:35 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 16:03:49 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:04:14 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Client Quit] 16:06:42 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 16:08:23 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 16:08:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:09:02 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:11:36 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:11:55 Xach: I did not! 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I'm pretty sure that you made a tool for that or something 19:01:51 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:18 ejbs: I don't have any special tool. I get it via git://sbcl.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/sbcl/sbcl.git 19:02:31 -!- pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.103.54] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:02:59 Xach: I didn't mean it like that. I meant for like 'installation' for viewing with SLIME+Emacs 19:03:30 i think ejbs is referring to sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location 19:03:39 oh. i use (sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location "/path/to/sbcl/sources/") in my .sbclrc 19:03:46 Bike: Oh, yes, that's it. Thanks 19:14:03 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:16:08 gcv [~gcv@c-98-248-194-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:17:54 I'm having some problems finding info about this on CLHS. Are the functions defined by DEFCLASS when :accessor, :reader and :writer occurs methods/generic functions? 19:18:11 ejbs: yes. 19:22:41 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:45 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:25:18 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:25:32 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:16 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 19:26:53 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:39 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abon98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 19:30:07 AeroNotix [~xeno@abon98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 19:30:10 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 19:31:14 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:33:32 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:34:12 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 19:34:52 -!- sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:38:40 Ramirez57 [~Ramirez57@c-174-54-148-204.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:26 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:05 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 19:41:13 Greetings lispers 19:41:53 greetings human 19:42:20 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:43:30 sdsl [~sdsl@bl16-150-217.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:45:36 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-21-199.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:59 chrelad [42ea70e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.234.112.230] has joined #lisp 19:47:58 -!- chrelad [42ea70e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.234.112.230] has left #lisp 19:48:01 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003835.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:49:20 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-061-079.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:50:54 drewc: sykopomp: i am told you are running a lisp interpreter on a raspberry pi. which interpreter are you using and have you gotten quicklisp to load correctly? 19:51:22 I got ccl arm to work on it, and quicklisp worked fine. 19:51:48 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-182-8.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:52:16 -!- gcv [~gcv@c-98-248-194-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:41 sykopomp: hmm alright, thanks. i had CLISP working. 19:53:56 but when i attempted to load "quicklisp", the following error ensued 19:54:02 http://pastebin.com/Sfri0Wt4 19:54:18 :(, i haven't a clue where to start debugging such. 19:54:24 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:54:32 i may have to try out ccl for the moment 19:54:34 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:54:59 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:55:38 Hey folks, the following is not a good argument list (defun foo (x &optional y &key z) ...) - correct? Calling (foo x :z 1) will put :z into y - correct? 19:56:16 You'll get an error because there is no keyword for the 1 19:56:19 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 19:56:26 TIAS 19:56:27 It's ok, I got the answer from the gigamonkeys book. 19:56:55 Yes, it's bad because the optional parameter will eat up the keyword if I don't supply the optional argument. 19:57:12 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 19:59:27 mixing &optional and &key is a style-warnable offense 19:59:49 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:21 Thanks. 20:01:39 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-165-183.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:42 I'll have to add style-warnings to my compiler. 20:02:19 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 20:05:42 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:22 -!- stat_vi 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