00:00:18 has anyone tried converting IR2 to llvm? 00:00:33 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:01:13 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:25 cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 00:02:33 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:44 ryankarason: you'll have to also re-implement all the cpu specific stuff; see compiler/x86 00:03:10 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:03:11 IIRC the PRNG used by RANDOM and friends is cpu specific, for example 00:04:40 alright thanks. 00:04:51 jasom: no. It's mersenne twister. x86 has a hand-rolled asm routine for the inner loop, but it's still MT19337. 00:05:06 pkhuong: is there an indep implementation of MT19337? 00:05:27 pkhuong: I meant the implementation, not the underlying algorithm 00:05:48 jasom: independent of what? 00:06:14 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 00:06:28 pkhuong: architecture; i.e. do you have to rewrite the inner-loop for each architecture, or will it fall back on a less-optimized one? 00:07:13 only x86 has an asm inner loop. Everything else just uses our awesome modular arithmetic. 00:07:26 ah 00:07:31 -!- abend_ [~quassel@75-148-54-130-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:56 -!- cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:08:10 sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.217.81.206] has joined #lisp 00:09:26 the modular arithmetic is pretty awesome; I ported a PRNG to test it out and it was something like < 2x the C version I based it on. Biggest difference was that gcc would more aggressively change the orders of operations to make the instruction scheduler happy; sbcl had basically the same number of instructions, but was worse for the scheduler 00:09:49 -!- Regis__ [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:10:25 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:39 SBCL has basically no scheduler. 00:11:37 That explains why gcc got something like 45% higher IPC 00:11:42 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:05 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 00:13:50 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:27 frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has joined #lisp 00:15:26 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:16:39 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:16:40 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:18:59 -!- frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:00 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 00:19:17 frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has joined #lisp 00:21:59 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:23:55 frkout_ [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:23:59 -!- frkout [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:30 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 00:32:00 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:32:09 snyp [~snyp@nas2.meghbelabroadband.in] has joined #lisp 00:35:44 jimrthy [~james@cpe-70-112-206-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:38:32 Since things seem so dead just now, can I request a double-check of a quicklisp package? (Or is there a better place to ask these days?) 00:38:34 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:40 a double-check? 00:39:06 cl-glfw seems broken for me. 00:39:51 I seem to be at least vaguely inheriting maintership, and I don't want to break anything that's already working 00:40:21 It installs OK, but a bunch of the examples don't work. 00:40:26 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:21 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:43:50 This could *easily* be because of misconfiguration on my side. 00:44:42 -!- setmeaway [oosool3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:46:01 KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has joined #lisp 00:53:30 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 00:54:42 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.241.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:02 -!- ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:00:23 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:31 -!- breakds [~breakds@wifi-116.cs.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:04:14 -!- Guest19869 [~lukas@194.228.13.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:04:44 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:07:34 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:10:31 syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:31 -!- syrinx [~quassel@ip68-1-175-223.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:10:31 syrinx [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 01:14:28 Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has joined #lisp 01:14:43 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 01:17:10 -!- rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has quit [Quit: Attempting weechat downgrade for Unicode support] 01:17:47 rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has joined #lisp 01:21:59 How fast is (nth)? e.g. (nth 5 foo) or (nth 57 bar)? 01:22:24 probably O(n) 01:27:44 ISF [~ivan@187.106.36.28] has joined #lisp 01:30:17 zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:30:30 zulu_inuoe [~quassel@184.89.111.53] has joined #lisp 01:30:50 -!- quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:30:51 -!- zulu_inuoe [~quassel@184.89.111.53] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:31 quackv4 [~quack@vps-1058467-4367.manage.myhosting.com] has joined #lisp 01:32:05 zulu_inuoe [~quassel@184.89.111.53] has joined #lisp 01:32:13 -!- snyp [~snyp@nas2.meghbelabroadband.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:19 Novimundus [~eodnhoj@66.44.30.54] has joined #lisp 01:38:31 Hello. Is there a certain symbol i can use to check if a variable is a certain function? (equal x xfunc) doesn't seem to do the trick. IGF. For example, a variable I use will iterate through +,-,*,/,and app functions. 01:39:10 Novimundus: (let ((x #'/)) (eq x #'/)) => T 01:39:41 It's that hash mark again! What is that thing called? I don't fully understand it. 01:40:15 clhs #' 01:40:15 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/02_dhb.htm 01:41:00 Ah. So it creates a nickname for a function. 01:41:32 Uh, no. 01:41:35 clhs function 01:41:36 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_fn.htm 01:41:43 clhs function/s 01:41:44 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_fn.htm 01:41:49 there. 01:42:58 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 01:43:15 Novimundus: what would you do with that information if you had it? 01:43:54 Practicing lisp. Trying to get this script to use a list of 10-9 and place operators as either infix/postfix/prefix and getting that list to evaluate to some number. 01:44:12 I can do it in Python in like 15 lines. But lisp is...different. 01:45:46 I'm a total newb, too, really, but: lisp *is* different 01:46:18 Novimundus: basically variables and defined functions have different namespaces. #'list is the function LIST, list is just the variable. 01:46:49 rendlein [~rendlein@71-90-155-204.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:47:07 Okay. 01:47:37 And once you have the actual functions EQ works fine to compare them. 01:48:18 hmm. I don't see why my code isn't working them. 01:48:26 paste.lisp.org itt 01:48:27 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 01:48:31 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:40 Is that true? Or does that depend on the implementation? 01:48:50 Is what true. 01:49:31 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136767 01:49:50 Novimundus: You're 01:49:54 comparing symbols, not functions. 01:50:14 (eq op '+) 01:50:41 that means i am comparing op with the literal function +? 01:50:50 I'm sorry, my bad. Like I said: clooless newb here. 01:51:08 Novimundus: '+ is the symbol +. #'+ is the function named by that symbol, is all. 01:51:21 '(app +) is the list of two symbols, APP and +. Not functions. 01:51:56 Okay. So let me say something and you tell me if I am right or wrong to further my understanding. 01:52:21 go for it 01:52:28 the QUOTE function aka ' treats its argument as a string/atom/symbol, whatever lowest level thing that makes sense at that point in time 01:52:35 i.e. it doesn't evaluate 01:52:38 because there's nothing to evaluate. 01:52:53 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:52:58 The quote special operator takes its unevaluated operand and just returns it. 01:53:16 Ah. That's much more concise and airtight. 01:53:35 So then the #' is the POINTER to a function, right? 01:53:58 Lisp doesn't really have "pointers". (function +) is the function named +. 01:54:54 functional programming is hard to wrap my head around 0.o 01:55:54 http://paste.lisp.org/+2XJ3/1 might make more sense, and might or might not be more correct. 01:56:20 Common Lisp isn't really functional, by itself. 01:56:59 jimrthy: I see what you're doing. Not quite what I had in mind, but it might be useful. 01:57:17 eq gets weird. 01:58:13 I'm no expert (by any means), but, from what I've read the result of (eq 1 1) depends on the implementation 01:58:50 Have you read Practical Common Lisp? 01:59:27 No. I started messing around with Emacs and recently discovered slime. 01:59:49 Practical Common Lisp is a good book for learning common lisp. 01:59:52 <- One semester CS student, totally new to the game. 02:00:06 It's worth the time it takes. 02:00:24 I will keep that in mind. Every language has a bible. I guess that is Lisp's. 02:00:34 Not exactly. 02:01:08 It's more like the basic tutorial. 02:01:15 Oh. 02:01:17 Common Lisp has a dictionary, where you can look up precise meaning for each of the words in its vocabulary. And then a bunch of books about learning how to write meaningful prose. 02:01:31 Whaaattttt. Is there a pdf version? 02:01:39 is it free? 02:01:42 nvm googling. 02:01:46 Coming from the python world, it *definitely* broadened my horizons (thanks, Xach, for recommending it!) 02:01:47 http://l1sp.org/cl/ 02:02:03 gigamonkeys.com/book, I think 02:02:05 http://l1sp.org/pcl/ 02:02:06 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: bleeding] 02:02:10 Xach you're quoted! 02:02:15 "that book is dead sexy" 02:02:34 Novimundus: I was about to point that out! 02:02:35 That's right! I get a nickel every time someone reads it online. And a quarter every time someone buys the book! 02:02:59 It's *well* worth buying. 02:03:20 I sent my only copy as a token of thanks to one of the people who probably needs it least :( 02:03:39 And Xach's probably rich from all the times I've looked it up online since. 02:04:24 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 02:04:33 And on an unrelated note, since you're here, Xach, can I ping you about a ql project? 02:04:40 What's up? 02:04:50 (let ((x #'+)) (eq x #'+)) is really not working. Is clisp different from sbcl/emacs lisp? 02:05:05 Nevermind. 02:05:27 emacs lisp is hugely different from Common Lisp. 02:05:44 that should work in clisp, though. 02:05:48 sbcl and clisp differ in how the implement and extend the Common Lisp specification, but they are pretty similar within the spec. 02:06:02 I'm having issues w/ cl-glfw. I've kind-of/sort-of been granted a "Good Luck With All That" blessing to do what I can to fix whatever I find wrong with it. 02:07:32 Novimundus: eq gets weird. 02:07:51 Yeah. I am finding that out lol. 02:07:58 Where clisp and sbcl differ is usually where there is some room for interpretation, e.g. whether pathname functions work on directories. 02:09:52 Xach: Anyway, I'm starting to work my way through bugs that I see in the package. Everyone I can find who is involved seems thrilled that someone else might be interested. 02:10:23 ok! 02:10:31 Xach: I don't think I'm really qualified, but we all have to start somewhere. 02:11:43 Xach: should I start by emailing my basic problem (just as evidence that I didn't create it), or send you the link to my github fork (which is equally broken)? 02:12:02 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:12:19 If you're the maintainer and your version is no worse than what's already there, open up a github issue to let me know where to get it now. 02:12:42 Will do. Thanks. 02:13:10 BTW, since I haven't told you this lately: quicklisp *rocks*!! 02:13:15 Thanks! 02:13:27 Novimundus: Get quicklisp! 02:13:57 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 02:14:07 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:14:15 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:28 I'll expand my lisp powers when I understand it. I feel like a young Jedi Knight who just discovered Force Lightning and keeps zapping himself. 02:17:00 nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has joined #lisp 02:17:57 brisbin 02:18:05 -!- rendlein [~rendlein@71-90-155-204.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:20:23 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-165-183.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 02:22:41 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:22:41 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:10 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:25:15 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 02:27:52 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:43 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:31:11 -!- ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:34:41 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-15-102.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:35:34 ahoops [~ahoops__@121.96.14.223] has joined #lisp 02:36:58 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:40:53 Natch [~Natch@c-10cfe155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 02:44:13 What SQL library is commonly used? 02:44:31 postmodern 02:50:13 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:58 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 02:53:37 Why does (caar '(1 2)) not return 2? 02:54:15 And yet (second '(1 2)) does? I thought car = first and caar = second and so on and so forth (based on count of a's) 02:54:55 caar is car of car. 02:55:02 The car of '(1 2) is 1. 02:55:08 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:24 ooooooooh 02:55:34 cadr = second 02:55:37 car of cdr 02:55:42 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:59:50 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:02:03 -!- pierpa [~user@host28-20-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:03:34 -!- ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:33 -!- fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:56 kurk_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 03:05:03 -!- kurk_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:05:13 -!- j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:14 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@unaffiliated/wccoder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:19 kurk_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 03:05:33 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:34 -!- nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:34 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:05:47 -!- kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:53 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:14 j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 03:06:21 wccoder [~wccoder@S01060026f3c6bad7.no.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:06:27 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:06:30 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 03:06:33 -!- jonasac [~jonasac@li298-140.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:37 nuba [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 03:06:45 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:07 Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has joined #lisp 03:07:35 fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 03:07:51 -!- kurk_ [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Client Quit] 03:08:07 kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 03:08:07 -!- youlysses is now known as youlysses_zzz 03:08:14 -!- kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:08:30 kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 03:09:00 jonasac [~jonasac@li298-140.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 03:09:23 ivan [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 03:10:47 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 03:12:20 Does Lisp get easier? It's such a different way of thinking. 03:12:28 All these...lists...being processed...EVERYWHERE. 03:12:37 Getting a serious case of list-PTSD. 03:14:18 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14:18 Almost all things become easier with practice. 03:14:27 And lisp doesn't involve many lists, generally speaking. 03:14:45 (defun square (x) (* x x)) (square 10) <- where are the lists here? 03:15:36 A better statement to make would be: it's hard to keep track of all this recursion. 03:15:53 At least for me. I'm writing a tail-recursive function and I can't tell if it's a good idea or not. 03:15:57 You may find that you will become more productive in once you cross the initial hurdles 03:16:11 s/in/in it/ 03:16:23 frkout_ [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has joined #lisp 03:16:24 ? What does "s/in/in it/" mean 03:16:30 Novimundus: It just takes practice. 03:16:39 Novimundus: sed. replace "in" with "in it". 03:16:47 thanks Bike 03:17:08 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:17 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:17:21 -!- frkout_ [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:17:39 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 03:17:42 I'm going to sleep. Learned a lot tonight. Thanks a lot guys. My path to becoming a jedi master will surely be expedited by such a group. 03:17:46 Novimundus: Then you will be able to write the code that you want/need much more easily 03:18:15 That's what I'm expecting. the way it's hyped, people make it seem like it's some kind of reverse-pandora's box where once you understand lisp you see the world in a different light. 03:18:27 I'm excited either way. It's intellectually challenging/different. 03:18:59 -!- Novimundus [~eodnhoj@66.44.30.54] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:19:06 Of course, you can write the code you need in any other language as well. A matter of taste, that's all 03:19:15 oh 03:24:26 Zhivago: Here are the lists! (defun squares (x) (map 'list #'square x)) (squares '(1 2 3 4)) 03:24:29 :-) 03:25:18 -!- two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 03:26:22 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 03:26:25 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:28:08 DrCode_ [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 03:28:21 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28:52 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 03:29:39 -!- DrCode_ is now known as DrCode 03:31:43 Hmm, actually, that raises an interesting question. What's the difference between (map 'list #'foo bar) and (mapcar #'foo bar) ? 03:33:39 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 03:34:02 -!- casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: casion] 03:34:06 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:08 second operates on only lists i think, first one can take any seq 03:34:28 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:42 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 03:34:53 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 03:35:49 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 03:38:59 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:40:40 zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:41:15 Joreji_ [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 03:45:50 arquebus [~arquebus@d21-29.rb2.gh.centurytel.net] has 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We could as well use the CAR instead, putting the elements in the CDR slots. Then CAAR would return the rest of the rest (still not the second, that would be CDAR). A good exercise is it implement a few list functions with this new representation, 10:17:28 (new-first x) = (cdr x), (new-rest x) = (car x), implement new-list, new-member, new-append, new-print, etc. 10:17:28 Remembered. I'll tell Novimundus when he/she/it next speaks. 10:17:32 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.207.5] has joined #lisp 10:17:45 awesome. 10:17:48 minion: memo for Novimundus: (new-first x) = (cdr x), (new-rest x) = (car x), implement new-list, new-member, new-append, new-print, etc. 10:17:49 Remembered. I'll tell Novimundus when he/she/it next speaks. 10:17:56 H4ns: what's awesome? 10:18:19 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:49 ogamita: it is awesome how you miss the point of "real time communication" 10:19:12 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:20:33 -!- Kenjin_ [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:20:55 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:20:56 H4ns: Perhaps I should restrict the size of my erc buffers? 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I've been using slime-eval-async for that, but I have to explicitly qualify every symbol with the CL namespace I mean. I can't use forms like `in-package` to establish a package context for subsequent s-expressions. 11:57:48 Any idea how to do this more conveniently? 11:57:55 needing, above. 11:59:48 I believe ACL supports foo::(forms read in package foo). 12:00:07 pkhuong: excellent suggestiong 12:00:28 except that emacs lisp's reader does not support this syntax 12:00:37 So I can't write it from emacs lisp 12:00:52 youlysse` [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 12:01:09 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:07 I should mention, slime-eval-async seems to ignore its third argument, which purports to allow me to specify a package 12:02:36 -!- youlysses_zzz [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:03:53 -!- setekhid [~setekhid@113.121.54.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:05:07 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06:09 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has 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I just recompiled the method with a (break) in it. 13:29:31 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:30:08 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:22 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 13:31:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:32:30 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1096771616.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:32:35 -!- snyp [~snyp@nas2.meghbelabroadband.in] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:32:54 kanru` [~kanru@106.Red-83-46-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:33:01 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177937334.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:33:53 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:43 enymo [~user@h66-173-127-171.mntimn.dedicated.static.tds.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:17 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:39:14 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 13:39:55 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:41:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:42:14 nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:01 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177937334.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:43:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:44:02 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176440872.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:45:12 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:45:23 -!- cades [~mac@111-249-113-242.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:45:44 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 13:46:32 dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 13:46:56 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:46:57 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:47:35 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:47:36 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:48:09 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:48:10 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:48:44 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:48:44 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:49:19 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:49:19 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:49:53 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:49:54 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:49:57 cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #lisp 13:50:29 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:50:30 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:51:03 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:51:04 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:51:38 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:51:40 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:52:13 -!- jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:15 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:52:16 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:52:49 techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has joined #lisp 13:53:27 -!- cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:55:00 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:43 -!- cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:56:01 baggers [c2b06990@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.144] has joined #lisp 13:56:09 -!- dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:16 -!- techlife [~jimmy@123.130.6.89] has quit [K-Lined] 13:59:56 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:00:08 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-kkfqitojuusisldg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:12 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-152-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:00:37 schjetne [~user@fsf/member/schjetne] has joined #lisp 14:04:02 cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has joined #lisp 14:05:02 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: brb] 14:05:19 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 14:05:20 -!- baggers [c2b06990@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.176.105.144] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:06:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:06:43 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.207.225] has joined #lisp 14:06:44 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07:03 -!- cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:08:33 is there a lisp group in chicago? 14:08:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:09:02 cibs [~cibs@118-163-170-73.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:50 not on Xach's calendar 14:10:27 -!- cibs_ [~cibs@219-87-142-18.static.tfn.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:10:36 I'm sure that there's a joke about them being "too shy" / "too chi" to publicize themselves that way, but it might not be worth making. 14:11:13 there was something (a few meetups at least) in 2008 14:11:20 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 14:11:28 i didn't know xach was in chicago 14:11:36 oh, he's not. 14:13:07 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.115.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13:57 segv-: Xach keeps a public google calendar of lisp meeting around the world 14:14:18 -!- kanru` [~kanru@106.Red-83-46-193.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:15:33 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.221] has joined #lisp 14:15:34 -!- setmeaway [oosool3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:38 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 14:17:41 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:20:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:20:51 fe[nl]ix: do you have a link to that calendar? 14:21:42 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:21:58 schjetne: It's on the right sidebar of planet lisp. 14:22:39 Thanks 14:24:46 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 14:26:53 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-209-2-226-127.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 14:33:50 -!- iAmThor [~iamthor@31.221.70.154] has left #lisp 14:34:10 oudeis [~oudeis@62.219.134.114] has joined #lisp 14:35:28 casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:15 -!- ThatOtherPerson [~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:39:33 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.215.190] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 14:41:21 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has joined #lisp 14:41:41 -!- CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:43:07 -!- enymo [~user@h66-173-127-171.mntimn.dedicated.static.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:43:53 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:46:33 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:38 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-44-21.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 14:46:49 I wonder if there's anyone in almaty... 14:47:30 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:47:55 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:14 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-181.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:50:31 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 14:50:32 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 14:50:32 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 14:50:51 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:50:54 Huh, I live in Omsk. That's even bigger problem. 14:51:05 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 14:51:29 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:42 hitecnologys: I'm planning to visit Aral lake this summer - a couple thousand km's of detour and we can have a lisp meeting in Omsk! :) 14:53:56 CrazyEddy [~isonomous@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 14:54:46 attila_lendvai: lol, sounds pretty cool. 14:55:32 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:20 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.30.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:47 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:57:31 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.249.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:58:58 hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 14:58:58 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 14:58:58 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 15:03:17 jasond [~user@of1-nat2.aus1.rackspace.com] has joined #lisp 15:03:29 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.215.190] has joined #lisp 15:03:42 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:04:27 -!- tsuru``` is now known as tsuru` 15:06:05 -!- leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has quit [Quit: reboot] 15:08:12 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 15:08:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:09:39 -!- segv- [~mb@95-91-241-83-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:12:40 -!- Guest27909 [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:42 ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 15:13:48 w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has joined #lisp 15:15:57 kanru` [~kanru@201.Red-88-12-18.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:17:11 Lets say that I have a :BEFORE method that wants to assert that some condition is true before the rest of the methods are ran. Lets then say that the condition is false (hasn't been fulfilled), how would I then 'cancel' the execution of the rest of the methods? 15:17:31 ejbs: you don't. Declare an :around method 15:17:35 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-152-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:45 ejbs: then you can just fail to call call-next-method 15:18:19 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-152-119.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:18:21 assuming you don't want to raise a signal 15:18:36 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 15:18:42 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-64-86.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:19:06 p_nathan [~Adium@76.178.163.213] has joined #lisp 15:19:35 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:19:43 what would be an idiomatic way to define some "message types"? My current approach is to use a plist (defparameter *msg-type* '(:base-station-beacon 1 :node-beacon 2)) 15:20:07 dlowe: Alright, also, I guess it's more sensible to raise a signal anyway. 15:20:36 Kenjin: do you need the numbers? 15:20:49 dlowe: not really 15:20:53 Kenjin: What do you mean with "message type"? 15:21:18 Kenjin: just use symbols, then 15:21:20 doesthiswork [~Adium@75.87.251.5] has joined #lisp 15:21:27 cades [~mac@60.245.65.168] has joined #lisp 15:21:27 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:28 ejbs: its in the context of a routing protocol 15:22:23 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:24:55 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:25:46 now that I think of it, It might be better to keep the numbers. This is a "message" field from an RFC, that will be serialized 15:26:07 -!- ryankarason is now known as rk[aft] 15:26:11 cades_ [~mac@60.245.65.168] has joined #lisp 15:26:11 -!- cades [~mac@60.245.65.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:26:57 (userial:serialize :uint8 :node-beacon) wouldn't work 15:27:28 setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.138] has joined #lisp 15:28:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:30:19 -!- cades_ [~mac@60.245.65.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:19 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:46 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-209-2-226-127.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:33:07 cades_ [~mac@60.245.65.168] has joined #lisp 15:33:27 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:33:48 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:33:51 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:34:30 -!- fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:34:35 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 15:34:53 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 15:35:00 -!- cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:30 cades [~mac@60.245.65.168] has joined #lisp 15:36:09 fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 15:36:11 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:36:45 cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has joined #lisp 15:37:33 -!- cades_ [~mac@60.245.65.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:39:57 -!- cades [~mac@60.245.65.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:52 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@76.178.163.213] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:11 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:42:12 -!- tali713 [~tali713@2001:0:53aa:64c:2054:6e9c:b3ee:137e] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:43:03 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:10 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.224.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:43:16 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:23 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.238.240] has joined #lisp 15:43:58 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 15:44:39 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 15:46:04 -!- youlysse` [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Class-time! 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(push s stats) stats), (insert-parch-stats (make-parch-stats *stats*)) leaves *stats* at nil 16:36:29 ideas about why? 16:36:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:58 Because you mutate STATS rather than *STATS* ? 16:36:59 well the parens are wrong here in the example sorry 16:37:09 (insert-parch-stats (make-parch-stats) *stats*) is the call 16:37:24 the &optional writing isn't making them the same thing? 16:37:36 I expect stats to be bound to the same place as *stats* 16:37:42 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:37:45 No, it's making one a copy of the other. 16:38:02 They are different variables both bound to the same value. 16:38:19 value, not place, then 16:38:20 And PUSH mutates a place, in this case a variable, not a value. 16:38:27 I still have to wrap my mind around that 16:38:42 ok there's some sort of copy-on-write happening in there I guess? 16:38:42 dim: think of it this way (setf stats *stats*) (setf stats 2) (print *stats*) 16:38:46 dim: no 16:39:23 the setf is a copy, so is the &optional? 16:39:33 dim: correct 16:39:42 dim: lisp is pass-by-value 16:39:45 Yes, where the value being copied is typically a single word in memory. 16:39:52 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:54 (Very often, a pointer.) 16:41:00 (push x y) could be implemented as (setf y (cons x y) 16:41:03 mmm, I certainly will read more about that, thanks 16:41:21 Well, it couldn't, but it's a workable first approximation. 16:41:32 right, they evaluate todifferent things 16:41:35 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:45 They multiply-evaluate Y. 16:41:51 ah, that's it 16:41:54 Well, the SETF version does. 16:42:02 The PUSH version doesn't. 16:42:16 (once-only (y) `(setf ,y (cons ,x ,y)) 16:42:18 And this matters, even with a symbol for the place, because of symbol-macros. 16:42:31 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:35 Nope, because now you're mutating the wrong binding. 16:42:40 damn you're right 16:42:42 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:48 *jasom* gives up 16:42:49 Have a look at get-setf-expansion. 16:43:00 Anyone know, is lispdoc dead? Getting 502s from lispdoc search. 16:43:18 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 16:43:20 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 16:43:52 It would have to look like (m-v-b (a bunch of things) (get-setf-expansion y) ... 16:44:57 -!- w37 [~user@31.221.13.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:11 Yup. 16:45:18 And have fun with VALUES places. 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What is the significance of the .? 18:47:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47:23 -!- fogus|away is now known as `fogus 18:47:28 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 18:47:50 JonnieMcDan: A Cons cell has 2 parts named "car" and "cdr" (2 . 3) is a convention for representing a cons cell with a car that is 2 and a cdr that is 3 18:48:02 JonnieMcDan: the significance of the . is that this is one of the first things you learn when you read even the most elementary text on lisp-like languages. 18:48:14 at least that is how I interpret the .! 18:48:42 JonnieMcDan: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/they-called-it-lisp-for-a-reason-list-processing.html 18:48:43 the dot means the last item in the list/cons is not nil but something else 18:48:50 epsylon [~epsylon@2a00:dcc0:eda:98:216:3cff:fea1:ce4] has joined #lisp 18:49:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:49:09 Okay. Thanks. lists are linked lists. nifty. 18:49:53 davazp [~user@178.167.210.13.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 18:50:13 I think JonnieMcDan is the first person I've ever pointed to that link who responded with "Oh they're just linked lists" (which was the expected response the first time I linked it) rather than "Now I'm more confused" 18:51:13 Uh. Thanks I guess. :-) 18:51:51 sykopomp: That was kinda bitch :/ 18:51:52 ejbs, memo from ogamita: if the pre-condition is false, then the negation of the pre-condition is true, therefore you should signal it: (error 'invalid-pre-condition :pre-condition some-sexp :function 'some-generic-function) 18:52:13 oudeis_ [~oudeis@93-172-28-44.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 18:52:22 ylabidi [~ylabidi@208.85.112.101] has joined #lisp 18:52:40 -!- x__ [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:44 y 18:55:17 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:18 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@109-186-120-129.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:55:41 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960518.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:58:40 foeniks [~fevon@p5091E8C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:00:31 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:49 -!- oudeis_ [~oudeis@93-172-28-44.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:01:15 -!- JonnieMcDan [~eodnhoj@147.9.88.15] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:03:51 ipmonger [~IPmonger@c-68-63-82-18.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:08 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 19:04:31 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:18 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-owgdsbovthvtxwsc] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:05:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:41 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:07:25 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 19:07:34 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:08:05 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:10 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:09:39 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 19:13:39 check it out, a toy reverse polish notation calculator in Common Lisp: https://gist.github.com/Denommus/5415395 19:15:23 why are you using recursion for list-smaller-than? 19:15:37 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:15:53 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 19:16:00 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:17:31 (endp (nthcdr (1- size) list)) 19:18:23 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-xitqhdfauvhqbmez] has joined #lisp 19:18:53 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:20:00 -!- Guest18612 [~user@85.Red-193-153-86.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:01 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 19:20:29 Denommus`: I did a similar thing two years ago or so. Though, it converted infix to postfix first 19:20:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:20:53 -!- zorkmoid [c2ed8e07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:20:58 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:21:40 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:21:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:22:03 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 19:23:28 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.Red-79-150-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:23:51 -!- rk[aft] is now known as rk[wind] 19:23:56 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.206] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:25:01 and ~d on lists is a bit strange 19:26:38 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:27:08 stassats: oh, good tip. Thanks 19:27:09 -!- jesusito [~user@40.250.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:27:48 Denommus`: https://gist.github.com/Denommus/5415395#comment-817933 19:30:13 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.133.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:32:34 abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.Red-79-150-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:32:55 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:33:02 ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has joined #lisp 19:33:07 nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has joined #lisp 19:35:35 -!- 16SABBIJB [~habva2013@ti0125a380-0772.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:37:13 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:29 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 19:37:55 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:38:47 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:38:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:40:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:43:24 is there any technical reason let doesn't have a syntax for m-v-b other than one stylistic reason i can think of? (less parens) maybe stylistic reason is good enough as i started to use "iterate" less and less (my code gets blocky when i use it) 19:44:11 m-v-call to the rescue! 19:44:23 hrs [~textual@50-79-188-182-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:59 is there any reason to keep using "p" at the end of predicates, instead of simply using "?"? 19:45:20 stassats: what m-v-c has anything to do with that? enlighten me! 19:46:24 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:46:27 Denommus`: it looks weird next to all the -p stuff in CL itself 19:46:32 Denommus`: with ? it looks somehow ugly and make me uncomfortable >< 19:46:39 nan_: try using metabang-bind for a while and see if you like it more or less than mixing let and m-v-b 19:46:47 Denommus`: p is unshifted and closer to the homerow. 19:47:00 ? is unusable in a conversation 19:47:04 stassats: I have to admit I don't understand why m-v-call would be useful 19:47:14 jasom: like i did it with iterate, good suggestion :) 19:48:15 nan_: because you're not used to it. I'm used to "?" from my times as a rubyist, and now I find "p" weird 19:48:40 one annoyances with -p is, i can't have a slot named p in a struct, other than that it looks fine to me 19:48:42 dlowe: (let ((x y)) (m-v-b (a b) (foo) (m-v-b (p q) (bar) ...))) => (m-v-call (lambda (x a b p q)) y (foo) (bar)) 19:48:50 Denommus`: Then you might find Scheme to be more to your liking than Common Lisp. 19:49:04 stassats: it's not. It could be called something else by convention, like "!" on shell is called "bang" 19:49:19 stassats: ah. interesting. 19:49:26 Denommus`: could it be called "p"? 19:49:32 nyef: don't get me wrong, I love Common Lisp, this is only a minor annoyance to me 19:49:49 stassats: yes, it could be called "p" and represented by a "?", for example 19:50:26 why then would it need to be represented by ?? 19:51:38 -!- cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:52:48 stassats: it doesn't "need" to, it's just a matter of aesthetics. But again, it's just a curiosity, I'm not implying that it should be a new convention 19:53:44 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:54:52 now a more practical question 19:55:04 is there a convention over when using "-p" or only "p"? 19:55:06 on some other language i'd hardly care but since CL designers IMO very smart people i'd like to know if they were trying to encourage some design when they seperated m-v-b from let, that m-v-c for one. 19:55:43 kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 19:56:54 Denommus`: You do know why -p was chosen, right? Like, what the p stands for I mean 19:56:56 Yikes; I fixed an sbcl note and it made the code 2x sloer :( 19:57:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57:24 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 19:57:41 Denommus`: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node69.html 19:58:11 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:58:29 Nevermind, I accidentally also stopped declaring the function inline 19:59:23 Denommus`: "In mathematics, a predicate is commonly understood to be a Boolean-valued function P: X {true, false}, called the predicate on X." - Wiki 19:59:28 ejbs: predicate 19:59:46 ejbs: yeah, I know. Rubyist also call "?" functions predicates 20:00:00 *Rubyists 20:00:16 jasom: the note you fixed, does it have anything to do with the sbcl inline declaration that enables stack allocation on structs? 20:00:52 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 20:01:05 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:01:08 nan_: no, I was multiplying two unsigned-byte 32's into an unsigned-byte 64 and was being lazy and using my "multiply two u-b 64s and take the lower 64 bits" 20:01:53 nan_: so I wrote a quick function for handling the types correctl and forgot to declaim it inline 20:02:48 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:03:36 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:03:49 Hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:05:56 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 20:06:16 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.210.13.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:26 jesusito [~user@40.250.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 20:07:16 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:07:25 blargh; I rewrote this to be faster; I halved the number of L2 misses for both dcache and icache while keeping the instruction count the same, and yet it runs slower than the original 20:07:34 performance is hard :( 20:08:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:09:12 instruction count is not a good indicator 20:09:33 stassats: it lets you know if you did something really stupid 20:10:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:11:11 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 20:13:00 -!- Posterdati [~antani@host163-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.1.3 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:13:10 -!- Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:52 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 20:13:52 -!- bind [~bind@5ED5B26C.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:13:57 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:14:12 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14:22 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.232] has joined #lisp 20:14:36 -!- humbug [~humbug@178-164-247-232.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:52 jasom: Could I see the code? Just for fun 20:18:19 ejbs: https://github.com/jasom/kiss-rng 20:18:44 Problem: gcc is about 2.2x faster than sbcl 20:18:47 -!- Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:06 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 20:19:50 at least some of gcc's speedup appears to be that when it inlines the functions to generate the 3 values that get added together at the end, it interlaves them so that the instruction scheduler stalls less 20:20:43 How long is the gcc code? Also, 2.2x faster isn't too bad 20:21:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:21:29 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:21:59 has anybody tested UABCL? 20:22:26 davazp [~user@92.251.204.173.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 20:22:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:23:36 When it comes to CL implementations: I'm really curious about mocl, last news was from nov 2012 20:24:00 ejbs: you mean mkcl ? 20:24:22 fe[nl]ix: mocl the mobile cl 20:24:27 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:24:45 ah 20:24:48 ejbs here's the 64-bit version in C http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/general/44444/ 20:24:56 fe[nl]ix: http://wukix.com/mocl 20:25:13 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:55 jasom: That's... Really short, oh well 20:27:23 jasom: i can't see any "the" in your code, sbcl can optimize multiple operations without it? 20:27:38 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 20:28:08 whoa, actually the 64-bit version is only 60% longer run-time in sbcl 20:28:12 -!- Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:28:20 what's the status of cl.net? 20:28:22 -!- ting12 [~ting12@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ting12] 20:28:43 5.63/8.95 20:29:02 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-xitqhdfauvhqbmez] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:29:15 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 20:29:20 PuercoPo` [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 20:29:37 nan_: I don't need any (the) since sbcl can optimize operations that are word-native sized 20:29:59 nan_: it's more like no need for any (the) because SBCL can infer the ranges. 20:30:00 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:30:38 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:31:07 awesome 20:32:46 jasom: hoist (sks64-Q state) out of the loop. 20:33:24 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:33:26 pkhuong: duh 20:34:28 and there's a bug in writing 20:34:31 -!- `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:35 superkiss64-state even 20:34:36 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:34:53 -!- whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:35:10 The type and initialisation for Q don't match 20:36:35 -!- jesusito [~user@40.250.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 20:36:45 reeker05 [~reeker05@c-67-182-147-102.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:37:23 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: rpg] 20:39:09 Novimundus [~eodnhoj@147.9.88.15] has joined #lisp 20:39:25 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 20:39:25 pkhuong: thanks 20:39:30 Is there a function/method/technique where I iterate through a queue and set priorities to certain elements within that queue? 20:39:31 Novimundus, memo from ogamita: re you caar question, notice that it's only an (immemorial) convention that makes us use the CDR for the rest of the lists (built with chains of conses). We could as well use the CAR instead, putting the elements in the CDR slots. Then CAAR would return the rest of the rest (still not the second, that would be CDAR). A good exercise is it implement a few list functions with this new representation, 20:39:31 Novimundus, memo from ogamita: (new-first x) = (cdr x), (new-rest x) = (car x), implement new-list, new-member, new-append, new-print, etc. 20:39:47 Whoa. There are memos? 20:39:54 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:43:03 -!- cabaire [~nobody@p54A74A04.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:44:13 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop 20:44:47 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f757746.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:45:54 so, no status on cl.net? Everything working nicely? 20:47:09 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:48:08 jasom: one last question! i know the difference between type declaration (array type n) and (array type (n)) but no idea about the difference between (make-aray 5) and (make-array '(5)). is there any difference or just style? *cheers 20:48:51 no difference that I'm aware of 20:49:22 nan_: MAKE-ARRAY takes a list designator as its first argument. an atom designates a list of one element, that atom. 20:50:58 prxq: what's "working nicely"? there's no spamfilter installed. 20:51:42 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-253-105.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 20:52:19 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:52:34 ehu: I have no idea. I was wondering if the migration has been progressing or is stalled. 20:52:40 Anyone know if it's possible to massage ccl into generating unboxed unsigned-byte-64 arithmetic? 20:52:41 Or if there are any news. 20:53:03 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:23 jasom: try something like http://paste.lisp.org/+2XJC 20:53:26 the twitter messages are a few days old by now 20:54:25 and some antispam must be working, because otherwise we'd be seeing a LOT more. 20:54:28 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 20:54:29 prxq: I think it has stalled. 20:54:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54:49 actually, you're not seeing it because it ends up in the moderation queues :-) 20:55:07 I have only one message from a moderation queue. 20:55:07 but my moderation queue is filling up. 20:55:10 Posterdati [~antani@host163-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:55:11 ok. 20:55:12 ok 20:55:22 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abob43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:55:35 spam hits port 22 at about one message per second at least. 20:56:13 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abob43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:56:37 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abob43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:56:44 jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has joined #lisp 20:57:16 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57:38 /who ehu 20:57:41 kal [~kal@dsl-173-206-223-197.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 20:57:56 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aboo172.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:57:58 sorry to insist on this, but - are the repos working? 20:58:36 Xach: good time to read the clhs section on designators 20:58:42 Hello! 20:58:57 -!- clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:00 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:59:43 I'd like to ask about #'cffi:convert-to-foreign. I'm trying (cffi:convert-to-foreign -1 :unsigned-int) and I get -1. Shouldnt I get #xFFFFFFFF ? 20:59:54 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 20:59:55 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:59:58 (as (fli:cast-integer -1 '(:unsigned :int)) returns) 21:00:01 kall [~kal@dsl-173-206-223-197.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 21:00:18 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 21:00:33 mrSpec: I guess anything can happen in the conversion back to lisp. 21:00:38 Notably sign extension. 21:00:47 mrSpec: Perhaps you'd like to convert FROM foreign instead? 21:00:53 perhaps try: (the (unsigned-byte 32) (cffi:convert-to-foreign -1 :unsigned-int)) 21:01:15 or indeed, from foreing. 21:01:24 pkhuong: doesn't seem to work 21:01:28 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:57 pkhuong: oh, it works, but ~10000x slower 21:02:15 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:02:33 hum I have the same result using from instead of to. 21:02:41 and second solutions "The value -1 does not satisfy the type specifier (unsigned-byte 32)." 21:02:43 mrSpec: convert-to-foreign invokes type translators that may exist for the specified type. There aren't any for the basic integer types. 21:03:03 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:06 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 21:03:16 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:03:26 ah 21:03:46 has anybody in here run into an issue building the manual for sbcl lately? 21:04:26 PuercoPo` [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 21:04:26 I haven't done a full build in awhile, but I'm getting an error with makeinfo 5.1 21:04:56 mrSpec: feel free to add cast-integer to CFFI, if you find that's useful. :) (Never needed it myself.) 21:05:03 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop` 21:05:28 luis: ok ;) thanks for answer 21:05:38 mrSpec: why do you want -1 to be #xF..F? 21:05:48 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:06:02 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 21:06:11 it is the value returned by mmap() in case of error 21:06:14 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Client Quit] 21:06:27 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:06:52 so I'd like to check return value. 21:07:22 -!- PuercoPop` is now known as PuercoPop 21:08:22 Hmm. Maybe (1- (expt 2 (* 8 (cffi:foreign-type-size :pointer)))) ? 21:08:54 why not use a) sb-posix:mmap b) iolib:mmap? 21:09:09 mrSpec: doesn't cffi already convert the return value into a lisp integer? 21:09:43 (defcfun "strlen" :int (n :string)) (strlen "abc") --> 3 21:09:50 what else do you want? 21:09:52 c) osicat d) failing that, why not grovel MAP_FAILED? 21:12:48 mrSpec: you don't need casts because CFFI is untyped 21:13:22 -!- ngz [~user@91.224.148.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:13:22 pjb: I didnt check this good question 21:14:00 oki, so I see there is no problem 21:14:51 (defcfun "strlen" :int (n :string)) and you are done. how awesome is that? 21:14:58 -!- nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 21:15:25 mrSpec: (with-foreign-object (p :int) (setf (mem-ref p :int) -1) (mem-ref p :unsigned-int)) 21:15:26 nan_: less awesome than (include "string.h")? :) 21:15:41 -!- Novimundus [~eodnhoj@147.9.88.15] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 21:16:04 fe[nl]ix: a good wait to discover WORDSIZE. 21:16:20 fe[nl]ix: that's one possible implementation strategy for a cast-integer :) 21:16:25 luis: you mean it can do that too? :) 21:16:35 ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:40 nan_: I mean it'd be nice if it could do that. :) 21:17:21 tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-31-86.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:30 pjb: (/ (integer-length (mem-ref p :unsigned-int)) 8) ? 21:18:01 fe[nl]ix: well, you need to initialize it as you did above, but yes. 21:18:34 assuming 8 bit CHARBITS. Which could be checked doing the same with :unsigned-char. 21:18:36 instead of (foreign-type-size :unsigned-int)? 21:18:42 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:24 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-44-21.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:19:36 yes, if it didn't exist. 21:20:25 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:55 -!- ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:21:08 Actually foreign-type-size has been affected by a number of bugs in the past. 21:21:36 That sounds look a good test to include in cffi-tests. 21:21:39 *like 21:21:56 pjb: well, with-foreign-object uses foreign-type-size 21:23:00 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 21:25:30 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:18 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.Red-79-150-205.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:27:32 -!- foeniks [~fevon@p5091E8C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #lisp 21:28:31 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 21:29:54 bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has joined #lisp 21:29:54 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.232] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:30:16 abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.red-79-150-205.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:18 -!- Hydan [90a0e235@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.160.226.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:32:36 jasom: are you sure you didn't load my code in the same package as yours? 21:34:30 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:35:53 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-250-200.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:36:37 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0240.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:36:45 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:36:48 Nosceteipsum [~merodach@e183236044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:37:55 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-194-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:38:16 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:39:47 jasom: and that you used the annotated versions. 21:40:12 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 21:40:28 is there a FORMAT recipe to write a list backwards? 21:40:29 ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:52 (format t "~:{~A~^, ~}" (reverse list)) 21:40:59 durr 21:41:06 I feel idiot 21:41:07 Sorry, s/:// 21:42:31 no problem, I'm writing with "(~{~A~^ ~})~%" 21:42:48 (print (reverse list)) works too, then. 21:42:51 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:42:57 or princ, if that's what you want. 21:43:33 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:43:40 ie: (format t "~A~%" (reverse list)) or (format t "~S~%" (reverse list)) 21:44:18 I have a strange issue with print on SBCL 21:44:29 for some reason, it'll only print after the program is finished 21:44:39 but I want it to print interactivelly, so I used format 21:44:49 kcj_ [~casey@203-173-192-140.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:44:59 learn about buffering. It's an important technique in computers. 21:45:13 cf finish-output and force-output. 21:45:50 I didn't know print buffered my output 21:45:59 nice to know 21:47:04 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:49:07 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:50:19 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 21:50:42 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:50:49 -!- hrs [~textual@50-79-188-182-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:54:22 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 21:55:18 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:55:28 -!- talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:25 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 21:57:25 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:58:05 -!- ylabidi [~ylabidi@208.85.112.101] has left #lisp 21:58:55 jasom: fwiw, it saves 15% off github here... 21:59:03 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:59 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:01:35 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 22:04:46 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 22:04:53 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:06:10 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.204.173.threembb.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:07:43 -!- kcj_ [~casey@203-173-192-140.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:22 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 22:09:55 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:08 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:12:21 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:12:48 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17:14 Mattykins [~matt@69.43.176.6] has joined #lisp 22:19:46 dreish_ [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:20:00 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:20:00 -!- dreish_ is now known as dreish 22:20:30 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20:42 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:43 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:21:06 do you usually prefer code written with DO or LOOP? 22:22:03 LOOP 22:22:15 I don't even know how to use DO. /lazy 22:22:52 funny, because LOOP is a whole DSL, do is just a operator 22:24:27 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 22:25:19 -!- Nosceteipsum [~merodach@e183236044.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:25:46 Yeah well, I don't know all of LOOP. A lot of people like ITERATE btw 22:27:12 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:27:12 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:29:14 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-180-198.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:41 ... iterate? 22:32:00 http://common-lisp.net/project/iterate/doc/Don_0027t-Loop-Iterate.html 22:32:16 (ql:quickload :iterate) 22:34:58 subtlepath [~walker@subtlepath.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:55 -!- dim [~dim@orion.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:36:13 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 22:36:23 dim [~dim@orion.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 22:37:41 -!- notori0us [~irc@osuosc/notori0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:38:22 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 22:39:02 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.145.87.108] has joined #lisp 22:39:29 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:41:53 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:57 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:45:07 -!- rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.104.211] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:45:45 IMHO iterate is a great construct with one flaw. (any lisp form can appear part) i think it would be much better if it was seperate. (iter ((for a from 0 below 5)) body) or (iter (for a from 0 below 5) (do body)). well... my opinion 22:46:44 davazp [~user@92.251.204.173.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 22:46:52 -!- kal [~kal@dsl-173-206-223-197.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:54 -!- kall [~kal@dsl-173-206-223-197.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:47:14 tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has joined #lisp 22:48:40 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 22:50:01 iterate seems interesting, but I wouldn't like to load another package only because of this 22:50:12 notori0us [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has joined #lisp 22:50:13 -!- schjetne [~user@fsf/member/schjetne] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50:22 -!- notori0us is now known as Guest94894 22:50:30 Denommus: this consideration is mute nowadays, in 99% of the cases. 22:50:40 moot 22:50:47 moot yes. 22:51:09 I know, but it is too similar to loop for me to bother 22:51:20 if I have a need for it someday, I'll try 22:52:26 What you could do, is to load it (along with a few other libraries), and save an executable lisp image, and use that for your lisp system instead of a raw implementation. 22:52:53 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:36 -!- epsylon [~epsylon@2a00:dcc0:eda:98:216:3cff:fea1:ce4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:53:58 -!- jerryzhou [~slackerui@58.245.253.218] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:06 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:55:06 or I could put it on my .sbclrc 22:55:34 I don't like with files from my package manager 22:55:39 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:52 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 22:55:54 s/like/like to mess/ 22:58:19 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:45 -!- davazp [~user@92.251.204.173.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:03 epsylon [~epsylon@2a00:dcc0:eda:98:216:3cff:fea1:ce4] has joined #lisp 23:00:57 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-186-64.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:01:44 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:04:33 walter|r [~walter@ip-64-134-101-130.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:08:12 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:22 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abob43.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 23:08:43 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.202] has joined #lisp 23:11:48 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.red-79-150-205.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:12:15 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:12:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:25 loop 23:15:40 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@216.1.187.162] has joined #lisp 23:16:50 (return-from-jason's-loop-so-he-can-continue-posting) 23:17:22 s/jason/jasom/ 23:18:38 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:18:49 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:37 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:00 Xach: hi. do you still have that standardized test that gauges how much of CL you know? 23:24:17 pkhuong: looked at disassembly of your version and (declare (inline pump)) for the FLET'ed pump fixes the slowdown 23:26:30 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:29 pkhuong: it also doesn't return the same value as my implementation, leading me to think there's something different about the algorithm 23:27:33 standardized test? 23:28:10 -!- smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 23:28:22 -!- Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:28:59 dto: Not exactly 23:29:09 http://xach.livejournal.com/312567.html 23:30:14 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:30:28 Xach: thanks. 23:30:53 hmm, didn't someone have a big form where you rated your knowledge of all 900+ symbols 23:32:36 clhs 11.1.2.1.2 23:32:36 Constraints on the COMMON-LISP Package for Conforming Programs: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/11_abab.htm 23:33:28 -!- rk[wind] is now known as ryankarason 23:33:31 jasom: the later annotations fix discrepancies. 23:33:42 I ran the test and it gets the right result. 23:33:52 dto: Hmm, I vaguely remember something like that. But maybe I'm confusing it with the HTML element test. 23:34:12 well, the same as yours. 23:34:45 pkhuong: ah, missed the annotations 23:34:58 jasom: annotated with the final version I tested with. 23:35:37 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:56 Xach: ok. maybe im thinknig of someone else. 23:35:58 I think most of the gain is from map-into and hoisting sks64-carry out of the loop 23:36:57 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:37:32 can we get "clhs" results as private messages? (assuming i can't do something like clhs 11.1.2.1.2 on slime) 23:38:03 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.202] has joined #lisp 23:38:07 Sure the rest is just showing that you don't need to insert modularity annotations everywhere, so I don't think it's really useful to have modular arithmetic versions of every arithmetic operator. 23:38:28 nan_: privmsg specbot. 23:38:46 pkhuong: I know I don't need to insert the annotations everywhere, but it doesn't hurt, as far as I can tell 23:38:56 pkhuong: *cheers thanks 23:39:34 nan_: http://www.xach.com/clhs?q= <-- you can also add that as a search in your browser 23:39:42 duh... i was looking for the user name "clhs" instead of specbot >< 23:41:23 jasom: i got slime-documentation-lookup pointing to a local hyperspec but it couldn't search above string. (probably i need to read more about slime doc lookup) 23:41:24 23:42:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-152-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:45:40 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.107.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:48 pkhuong: I got a 2.5% decrease in run-time; what hardware were you running on? 23:47:00 (just curious)( 23:47:57 ASau`` [~user@p5797F361.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:48:48 PuercoPo` [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 23:49:06 Intel E5-4617 23:49:41 It's ~5-10% on the macbook with a puny core 2 duo 23:50:06 casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:50:29 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 23:50:30 tattedsxy33 [~tattedsxy@117.117.230.47] has joined #lisp 23:51:12 -!- ASau` [~user@p5797F5CF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:51:39 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:55:12 -!- Guest94894 is now known as notori0us 23:55:19 -!- notori0us [~irc@notoriouscw.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:55:19 notori0us [~irc@osuosc/notori0us] has joined #lisp 23:55:23 trying to work on my profile...just signed up http://tinyurl.com/cjkvr8q 23:55:24 -!- tattedsxy33 [~tattedsxy@117.117.230.47] has quit [Killed (idoru (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] 23:56:34 -!- jasond [~user@of1-nat2.aus1.rackspace.com] has left #lisp 23:57:02 tattedsxy33 [~tattedsxy@61.50.138.100] has joined #lisp 23:57:03 frkout_ [~frkout@113.37.230.101] has joined #lisp 23:57:13 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40GHz; not sure how to get the model number out of linux 23:57:23 -!- enymo [~user@c-76-17-216-101.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:57:48 -!- PuercoPo` is now known as PuercoPop 23:58:05 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 23:59:30 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]