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If not, it's not clear why you are here 00:58:25 you're probably not going to have many answers here on the philosophical side of strong ai, neuropsychology and futurism, nor will random queries about ai code be answered well 00:58:32 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:36 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:59:34 -!- TuckerD [~tucker@c-98-216-148-67.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:00:55 my sense have a direct connection to the brain, the bandwidth is just narrow 01:01:00 senses 01:01:04 (also, such questions are why I no longer frequent Artificial Intelligence community on G+. Too many people too lazy to even crack open a first year psychology book, perfectly willing to use arguments from Bible) 01:01:40 *stassats* tries to count the number of people p_l is trying to outsmug with one sentence 01:02:03 I really enjoyed norvig's book 01:02:14 stassats: ... dunno about outsmugging, but I've been getting progressively cynical grumpy cat over the last two weeks 01:02:28 doesthiswork: too bad GOFAI is old, eh 01:03:12 stassats: and my degree actually required us to pass the first year psychology. the horror (of remembering specific patients in specific cases as examples for questions regarding specific parts of the brain...>_>) 01:03:53 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:04:37 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:05:16 was a good school, though. taught me a lot. 01:05:50 now, it's 0305, and unless the channel suddenly needs a banhammer *right* now, I'm going to fall asleep before I get even grumpier 01:06:03 it's funny to me how many linguistics books end up talking about things that can be tested by trying to implement them as ai 01:07:09 Regis_ [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 01:07:47 KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has joined #lisp 01:08:40 as ai? 01:08:43 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 01:09:42 Fare: I suspect he means parsing and such engines for natural language (generally speaking, NLP and NLG - processing and generating) 01:10:05 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:10:07 HectorAE [~Panhuman@74-134-161-138.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 01:10:11 quite interesting topic of study in AI, not necessarily into the AGI/strong ai variety most of the time, but quite effectual 01:10:23 ... effective? 01:10:44 Effectian. 01:11:23 I was reading books on semantics but I can't remember the titles 01:11:30 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:03 ah the term is Cognitive Linguistics 01:12:53 ok, I'm not hitting the right keys anymore. Good night everyone, dobranoc, , 01:13:14 that's a lot of wrong keys 01:13:14 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@D-173-250-159-8.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:13:24 gute nacht and bonne nuit 01:14:38 Buenos noches. 01:14:55 can we not enumerate all the languages, please? 01:15:41 maj rahm, ylQongchu'! 01:15:44 How about Latin 01:15:54 Does anyone know the Latin phrase 01:16:00 bonam noctem 01:16:04 Cool 01:16:33 chnja [bb725f65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.114.95.101] has joined #lisp 01:16:40 https://boards.4chan.org/sci/res/5684052 01:17:23 *stassats* is doubting his presence in the right channel 01:17:30 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17:54 Sorry 01:18:01 But you guys might like it (a lot) 01:18:04 -!- chnja [bb725f65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.114.95.101] has left #lisp 01:18:14 stassats: there is #linguistics if you want more 01:18:18 That was random 01:18:27 -!- ryankarason is now known as 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[~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 03:25:35 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 03:26:16 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-209-2-227-96.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 03:29:06 is there a way to use getf with the from-end key? there's a plist with several keyword args with the same name and i need the last one. 03:29:33 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:30:32 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:31:17 momo-reina, probably not directly 03:31:51 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:32:58 yep, tried reverse too and that obviously jumbled up the plist 03:33:26 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35:34 momo-reina, convert to alist and use find with from-end 03:36:04 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.81.58] has joined #lisp 03:36:06 -!- pierpa [~user@host28-20-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:37:17 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-rjlbryrovwowvmbn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:39:50 Fare, not sure but I think there is a simpler solution. 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05:24:21 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 05:24:21 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:41 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:26:20 flip214_: parenscript can't handle when? 05:26:36 guther: you could try some variant of this: (format t "~30@{~w~:*~}" #\A) 05:27:32 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:27:51 joekarma: I'd like the character count as one of the format argument 05:28:05 Bike: not if it's in a deeper expression. (LOOP WHEN...) should be fine. 05:28:16 Guthur: then use "~v@" 05:28:30 flip214_: but... that's just simple loop. it expands into an easy tagbody. 05:28:54 or, perhaps, "(princ (make-array N :initial-element CHAR :element-type 'character))) 05:29:14 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:29:21 Guthur: stassats gave me this once: (format t "~v@{~a~:*~}" 10 "-") 05:29:26 bike: parenscript doesn't expect the extra level. 05:29:41 samebchase: hehe, works for me, cheers 05:30:06 flip214_: what, but it can handle all of format's pretty printing? 05:30:32 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 05:31:50 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32:30 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:33:16 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 05:33:37 Bike: no. I tried to provide a bit via (FLET ((write-string...)(princ...))) etc. 05:33:45 at least, not yet. 05:34:24 Perhaps you could also macrolet loop to fix that. 05:34:26 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:36:16 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-iebjwewvhopbqgiq] has joined #lisp 05:36:27 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@118.112.70.4] has left #lisp 05:37:22 another word for end-users? 05:37:23 idiots? 05:38:17 lusers? 05:42:00 I thought that #+nil makes the reader ignore the next form ... but parenscript throws me an error. 05:42:37 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:42:52 Do you have :nil in *features*? 05:43:12 no 05:43:23 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:43:53 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:44:07 reader should be skipping it, then, if it can 05:44:12 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:32 looks like macros are still run 05:44:44 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 05:46:13 qwebirc78699 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 05:47:19 should it be possible to use :onclick (PS (function)) within who-ps-html? 05:50:23 #+(or) 05:51:15 syrinx_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 05:51:15 Fare: yes, that works. thanks.... 05:51:25 -!- krrrcks [~krrrcks@46.182.19.96] has left #lisp 05:52:32 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 05:52:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 05:52:33 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:53:03 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75659d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:53:08 Ah, I need to use PS-INLINE. 05:53:51 tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:57:46 KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has joined #lisp 05:59:27 Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-36.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #lisp 05:59:53 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 06:00:14 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 06:00:52 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:01:34 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:05:33 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:06:26 -!- Yuuhi``` [benni@pD9F99824.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:40 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:13:43 -!- jji [~jji@d175-39-18-39.sbr800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:14:33 frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 06:16:59 flip214_: #+(or) or #+() works fine 06:17:11 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 06:19:02 #+() is the equivalent of #+nil though (: 06:19:17 I prefer #+#:disable-the-next-form (: 06:19:39 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.181.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:20:57 antifuchs: and i thought #+(or) was long enough! 06:21:02 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.9] has joined #lisp 06:21:20 #+(or) doesn't tell the reader why you want to disable the next form though (: 06:21:26 #:this-doubles-as-a-comment (: 06:21:27 Maybe it would be nice to have a reader macro to just unconditionally skip the next form. 06:21:32 Block comments are so passé. 06:22:09 antifuchs: comments? I thought that was what comments are made for :D 06:22:31 H4ns: no comment! 06:22:54 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:23:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:25:07 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:25:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:26:12 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 06:27:34 sw2wolf [~czsq888@118.112.70.4] has joined #lisp 06:27:50 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:31:58 -!- ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:35:45 ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has joined #lisp 06:37:04 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:36 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:05 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:44:14 -!- ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:44:40 nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has joined #lisp 06:44:47 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 06:45:21 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 06:46:22 antifuchs, hi 06:46:42 Bike: like #; in racket? 06:48:06 I don't know. 06:49:18 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:50:16 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 06:50:21 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-kxqeyvnxjjtvvhoz] has joined #lisp 06:52:36 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:53:07 CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@110.84.34.236] has joined #lisp 06:53:13 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53:27 -!- qwebirc78699 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:53:37 Joreji [~thomas@65-136.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 06:54:11 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 06:55:15 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:39 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:56:22 -!- Guthur [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:58:28 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 06:58:45 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.130.81.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:03:07 ASau [~user@p5797F4B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:16 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 07:06:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:06:45 arquebus [~arquebus@d21-29.rb2.gh.centurytel.net] has joined #lisp 07:10:24 lets use #^ and call it the hop operator! 07:11:03 as in hop.inria.fr ? 07:11:54 meh all the cool names are taken 07:12:57 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:14:53 What is the benefit of using CHAR vs. AREF? (I didn't even know about CHAR until just now) 07:18:07 cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:46 like the notes say: (char s j) == (aref (the string s) j) 07:19:48 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-71-181.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:19:53 loke: for one it can be faster as it translates to (aref (the string s) i) and self-explanatory 07:20:21 nan: fair enough, but in practive I see the opposite 07:20:44 loke: in what way? 07:21:14 because in practice (high safety level) I bet it checks that the argument is a string 07:21:29 The function: (defun foo (x) (aref x 2)) is smaller (5 instructions, with optimise 3 and safety 0)) than the same function with schar or char 07:21:37 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:21:53 When safety is >0 they are almost similar, although aref seems to be shorter still 07:22:00 (this is on SBCL) 07:22:07 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-iebjwewvhopbqgiq] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:22:50 Which is weird, since I can see a source transform that should transform schar to aret 07:22:52 aref 07:23:25 Ah, however... I can see that the definition of schar itself has (declare (optmize (safety 1))) 07:23:34 Aref doesn't 07:25:08 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:25:42 -!- arquebus [~arquebus@d21-29.rb2.gh.centurytel.net] has left #lisp 07:26:17 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:27:18 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75659d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:27:23 qwebirc76316 [507997a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.121.151.166] has joined #lisp 07:27:23 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:27:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:27:56 aref has plenty of deftransforms dealing with specialized arrays, i think 07:29:06 Bike: right, but since CHAR and SCHAR acts on subsets of what AREF does, it shouldn't be slower 07:29:07 -!- qwebirc76316 [507997a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.121.151.166] has quit [Client Quit] 07:29:24 otherwise, once could just map CHAR to AREF and be done with it 07:29:32 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:29:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:30:32 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:30:32 loke: adeht might be onto something then. 07:35:50 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:36:04 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 07:36:15 -!- doesthiswork [~Adium@75.87.251.5] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:36:39 ogamita [~t@host.34.193.23.62.rev.coltfrance.com] has joined #lisp 07:37:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:37:17 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:39:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:43:20 Bike: like #-(and) ? 07:43:25 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:16 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 07:46:38 -!- fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:46:45 yes 07:47:15 fmu [~^fmu@unaffiliated/fmu] has joined #lisp 07:47:53 yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has joined #lisp 07:48:50 -!- scode [~scode@pollux.scode.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:49:06 scode [~scode@pollux.scode.org] has joined #lisp 07:49:14 -!- abend_ [~quassel@75-148-54-130-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:49:34 -!- eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:49:58 qwebirc31716 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 07:50:16 kanru` [~kanru@201.red-88-12-18.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:52 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:04 eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has joined #lisp 07:54:12 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:58:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.6] has joined #lisp 08:00:33 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-kxqeyvnxjjtvvhoz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:37 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:38 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 08:01:30 whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:08:28 -!- yusup [~yusup@42.120.72.142] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 08:08:31 how can i construct a class-type from a string? (find-class (symbolicate "SOME-PREFIX" key)) or (find-class (symbolicate "PACKAGE::SOME-PREFIX" key)) can't find it 08:08:59 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 08:09:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:09:34 teggi [~teggi@123.20.30.201] has joined #lisp 08:09:47 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:10:56 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:11:03 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 08:12:06 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:13:29 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 08:13:41 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 08:15:21 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:16:32 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 08:18:05 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 08:18:12 -!- ASau [~user@p5797F4B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:18:51 ASau [~user@p5797F4B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:18:53 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@108.Red-88-23-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:19:12 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:33 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:01 -!- qwebirc31716 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:22:17 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 08:22:45 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@118.112.70.4] has left #lisp 08:22:49 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-183-184-43.lns17.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:25:31 Is there a way to bind a lambda to a name in the function namespace directly? For implementing memoization and the like. 08:25:46 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-165-183.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:25:47 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 08:25:52 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:25:59 abeaumont [~abeaumont@246.Red-79-148-145.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 08:26:12 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:26:47 (setf (fdefinition 'foo) (lambda () (print 'he))) is one way 08:27:46 Awesome, thanks 08:28:06 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:29:31 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:33:05 (intern str package) instead of symbolicate does the trick 08:33:19 -!- whist [~whist@c-98-232-204-76.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:33:48 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:34:26 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:34:35 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-24-6-156-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:34:52 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-24-6-156-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:51 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@dyn-130-194-155-36.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:36:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:37:19 -!- stardiviner [~Thunderbi@218.74.176.11] has quit [Quit: stardiviner] 08:37:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:37:51 stardiviner [~Thunderbi@218.74.176.11] has joined #lisp 08:41:35 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 08:42:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:43:40 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-239-36.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:43:42 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 08:43:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:44:13 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:44:14 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:44:39 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.229] has joined #lisp 08:45:51 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46:09 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 08:46:22 youlysse` [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 08:46:23 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-183-184-43.lns17.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:47:33 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51:31 tekai [~tekai@e176040139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:51:32 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@246.Red-79-148-145.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:54:08 -!- frkout [~frkout@124x35x85x74.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:54 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 09:02:52 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-000-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:03:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:04:26 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:05:19 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:06:34 bitonic [~user@151.225.36.236] has joined #lisp 09:09:53 sebyte [~sebyte@24.20.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 09:13:11 segv- [~mb@95-91-243-251-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:14:51 Anyone know where to set your c-l.net mailing list prefs? 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Does anyone know why it looks so unmodern and if it really *has* to be that way? Shouldn't changing (for example) what the scrollbar look like be relatively simple? 11:41:26 no technical reasons 11:41:36 just the people making it didn't care about that 11:41:41 kanru` [~kanru@201.red-88-12-18.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:41:46 but mcclim has bigger problems than look and feel 11:41:53 -!- jandres [~user@89.Red-80-38-219.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 11:42:15 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-vlgatyfowcthqvkc] has joined #lisp 11:42:22 no development activity, for starters 11:42:24 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 11:42:33 and the dada macro 11:42:46 The dada macro? 11:42:55 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@D57D21E3.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 11:43:05 ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-152-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:43:20 "This is an evil macro." 11:43:25 (http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/flux/pr-tree.lisp) 11:43:27 panes.lisp line 431 11:44:56 zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 11:45:49 H4ns: What a helpful docstring /s, thanks for the link. rudi: Does it have any immediate usability problems? 11:46:58 i would say it's unusable 11:47:06 it is an immediate usability problem 11:47:36 every bright-eyed, aspiring McCLIM hacker encounters it eventually. Lovecraft ensues. 11:49:03 stassats: Why would you say that? rudi: Well, that's 'only' for devs (right?), how about actual users of the framework/library? 11:49:06 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:49:32 ejbs: nobody uses mcclim because it is not usable. 11:49:39 ejbs: it is really that simple. 11:50:11 ejbs: because i couldn't use it 11:50:20 on [~on@33.Red-81-36-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:35 ejbs: you can try to use it, but you'll come to the point where you recognize that you cannot continue, that you cannot fix it and that you've wasted your time. 11:50:41 -!- leo2007 [lsd@192.94.73.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:45 -!- on is now known as Guest89118 11:50:51 H4ns: In that case, should it really be on the list of recommended GUI libs on CLiki? 11:50:51 ejbs: take it as an opportunity to prove me wrong and fix mcclim :) 11:51:03 ejbs: feel free to remove it. 11:51:23 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:51:44 I would rather have someone who knows what they're talking about remove it 11:52:07 why? 11:52:47 the first thing that's evil about that macro is that it uses a destructive function on a rest list 11:54:16 H4ns: If someone asks me "Hey, why did you remove that?" then my only answer would be "Oh, a couple of guys said it was pretty much unusable, I'm not that sure why. But anyway, seems like it doesn't fit in" 11:54:27 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:55:02 ejbs: *shrug* you'd help the next person to look for a recommended gui library, but who am i to suggest anything. 11:55:15 H4ns: Somebody put it there. 11:55:36 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:55:58 can we ask them why they put a reference to an unusable library there? no. that is my point. 11:55:59 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:20 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-250-241.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 11:59:22 oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.228.71] has joined #lisp 12:00:33 ccorn [~ccorn@D57D21E3.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 12:01:18 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:02:10 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 12:02:33 Is something wrong with LTK? It was quite usable at least on Linux/SBCL last time I checked. 12:02:57 clox [~user@rrcs-208-125-109-116.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:05:20 naryl: Ltk is pretty nice and simple, I've found nothing wrong with it. Perhaps a little lacking in docs 12:06:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:08:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:09:12 Welp. I removed McCLIM 12:09:22 \o/ 12:09:31 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@2.54.228.71] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:11:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:15:07 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:11 ejbs: Replace it with LTK now. :D 12:15:16 z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has joined #lisp 12:15:16 -!- z0d [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:15:16 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 12:16:09 naryl: Oh man... You guys are letting me do all the hard work, "remove this, add that" 12:16:18 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-018-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:50 -!- Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 12:17:11 Tarential [~Tarential@li472-156.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 12:17:46 then clim:compute-difference-set 12:19:54 -!- kanru` [~kanru@201.red-88-12-18.staticip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:28:51 dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:17 -!- youlysse` [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:34 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:32 oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has joined #lisp 12:35:05 ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has joined #lisp 12:36:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:37:10 -!- Forgetaboutit [~sammy@s15731961.onlinehome-server.info] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 12:37:34 frkout [~frkout@80.112.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp] has joined #lisp 12:38:04 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 12:38:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:45:14 -!- Guest89118 [~on@33.Red-81-36-107.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:46:33 zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:28 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has left #lisp 12:52:58 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-21-199.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:39 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-71-181.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:59:05 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:00:06 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:00:52 ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 13:01:05 -!- ravster [~ravi@71-19-174-130.dedicated.allstream.net] has left #lisp 13:01:19 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:35 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.223.206] has joined #lisp 13:02:56 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 13:03:05 KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.231.66] has joined #lisp 13:03:40 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:03:53 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:16 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:31 Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192240.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 13:08:53 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-000-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:25 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 13:09:25 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 13:09:25 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:11:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:12:14 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:14:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:16:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:18:07 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192240.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 13:18:57 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:22 bitonic [~user@dyn1221-215.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:20:22 dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has joined #lisp 13:20:23 hi. has anyone used mel-base for imap? 13:20:36 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20:37 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:23:18 ravster [~ravi@66.207.222.14] has joined #lisp 13:24:00 z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has joined #lisp 13:27:58 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-vlgatyfowcthqvkc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:56 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:33:55 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:57 brkpnt [~ezequiel@190.48.175.209] has joined #lisp 13:36:02 what is the meaning of #? What is the difference in ussing it or not in (defpackage #:something)?? 13:37:40 brkpnt: # is the first character in a pair of characters designating a read macro of some sort. 13:37:56 brkpnt: i use #:-prefixed symbols in defpackage because they are not interned and are not case-sensitive. 13:38:05 defpackage needs only the string that is its name 13:38:25 -!- zickzackv [~faot@port-92-198-30-130.static.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:58 leo2007 [lsd@192.94.73.30] has joined #lisp 13:40:13 but (equalp :a :A) returns T, is not necesary use # to make them case-insensitive 13:40:27 and what u refer with "not interned"? 13:40:28 brkpnt: # has a concrete meaning only with the next character. #: before a symbol means that it won't be interned into the current package by the reader. 13:40:32 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:40 brkpnt: for further discussion look for "Uninterned" here: http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/programming-in-the-large-packages-and-symbols.html 13:41:26 brkpnt: technically, it returns COMMON-LISP:T 13:42:15 oh, I misunderstood. 13:42:20 *dlowe* tries to wake up a little more 13:42:32 brkpnt: If you do: (list 'foo) and then (find-symbol "FOO") it will return T. If you do (list #:bar) and then (find-symbol "BAR") it will return NIL. 13:42:35 brkpnt: using :a will intern the symbol A into the KEYWORD package 13:42:41 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:43:07 brkpnt: using #:a will intern the symbol A but without a package 13:43:22 -!- tekai [~tekai@e176040139.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.3.1] 13:43:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43:45 err (list '#:bar) 13:44:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:47:31 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 13:48:10 hey all 13:49:00 Hey ravster 13:49:06 kanru` [~kanru@201.red-88-12-18.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:47 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 13:50:09 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:06 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@D57D21E3.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 13:52:07 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:53:48 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:54:03 ccorn [~ccorn@D57D21E3.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 13:54:09 been a while since I've been on this channel 13:54:13 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:59 ahungry [~null@66.184.106.97] has joined #lisp 13:56:51 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 13:57:16 oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has joined #lisp 13:58:58 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 13:59:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:30 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-250-241.uio.no] has joined #lisp 14:02:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:39 enymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has joined #lisp 14:03:07 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 14:03:21 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:05:01 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:05:40 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06:48 -!- dbh [~user@182.55.3.19] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:53 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:16 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 14:14:44 alopez [~alopez@pcmatali.ac.upc.edu] has joined #lisp 14:15:17 -!- alopez [~alopez@pcmatali.ac.upc.edu] has left #lisp 14:17:26 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:17:37 doesthiswork [~Adium@75.87.251.5] has joined #lisp 14:17:44 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:36 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.51.233.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:19:39 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-72-225-195-95.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:16 brkpnt: both symbol and package names *are* case sensitive (including #:symbols), but they can be case converted by the reader. By the default setting the reader folds them all into upper case (that's why your symbols were equalp). But with other settings the reader might not convert the case. That's one reason it's a good idea to name your package with a symbol instead of a string: the case of th 14:20:16 e package name will then match the case the reader is setup to convert to 14:22:16 Vivitron: thanks for that information!! 14:24:48 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-90-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:25:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:26:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:30:01 How do I convert a string to a keyword-symbol? i.e. "foo" => :foo 14:30:43 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:32:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:21 (intern (string-upcase string) (find-package "KEYWORD")) 14:33:43 okay (alexandria:make-keyword (string-upcase "foo")) 14:33:54 if you like 14:33:58 hmm 14:34:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:34:33 What's the difference between :|foo| and :foo? 14:34:48 samebchase: the symbol-name of the former is unconditionally "foo" 14:34:54 samebchase: all symbols in CL a usually converted to upcase. 14:35:04 samebchase: the symbol-name of the latter is normally "FOO", but might also be "foo" depending on reader settings. 14:35:08 samebchase: || forces CL not to do this. 14:35:24 rszeno [~rszeno@79.114.105.21] has joined #lisp 14:35:41 a symbol is printed so that it can be read back in again given the current reader settings, hence the bars 14:35:52 samebchase: (eq (intern "test") '|test|) => t 14:36:40 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:36:47 Cool. Thanks guys. 14:38:11 -!- zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:21 -!- leo2007 [lsd@192.94.73.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:59 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.red-83-61-69.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:00 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.red-83-61-69.dynamicip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:52 You're welcome, man. 14:43:02 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:43:34 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:55 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:04 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:45:20 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:03 bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has joined #lisp 14:47:20 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002abc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:47:23 -!- brkpnt [~ezequiel@190.48.175.209] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:28 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:48:29 nyef [~nyef@c-76-119-183-159.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:47 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.143.175] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:52:53 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:57:37 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has joined #lisp 15:01:01 zhkzyth` [~user@113.64.112.49] has joined #lisp 15:02:03 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@D57D21E3.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 15:03:07 Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.115.139] has joined #lisp 15:04:45 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@114.243.231.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:05:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 15:05:08 Natch [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:06:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:07:37 bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@athedsl-4509091.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:09:38 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:10:02 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:10:50 -!- bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@athedsl-4509091.home.otenet.gr] has left #lisp 15:13:00 ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 15:13:30 tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-25-187.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:36 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:18:05 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:19:32 -!- frkout [~frkout@80.112.147.124.dy.bbexcite.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:29 jandres [~user@89.red-80-38-219.staticip.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 15:21:43 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:39 -!- natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:25:40 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:50 -!- ignas_ is now known as ignas 15:26:07 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-90-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:26:35 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:28:21 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:37 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-vmriwyzlgnuakyuy] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:47 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:30:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:31:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:32:18 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 15:33:02 zvrba [96456@diamant.ifi.uio.no] has joined #lisp 15:36:57 does anyone know offhand what license sbcl is released under? 15:37:05 there is no license file 15:37:16 <|3b|> mostly public domain 15:37:28 *|3b|* thought it said so somewhere 15:37:30 hmm 15:37:46 <|3b|> COPYING file? 15:38:23 is it kosher to just adopt src/code/format-time.lisp into one of my projects? 15:38:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:38:41 ah 15:38:46 right in front of me. 15:39:00 |3b|: thanks 15:39:39 why is format-time in sb-int? 15:39:50 leo2007 [lsd@192.94.73.30] has joined #lisp 15:39:58 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 15:40:17 seems like something that could be sb-ext'ed 15:40:27 Natch_l [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:41:17 its damn helpful 15:41:21 -!- rk[secret-place] is now known as ryankarason 15:41:25 -!- freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 15:41:30 Natch_y [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 15:42:05 freiksenet [~freiksene@freiksenet.com] has joined #lisp 15:42:33 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 15:43:05 bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has joined #lisp 15:43:14 I guess "public domain" means all bets are off and we can do with it as we will, though 15:43:20 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:01 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1221-215.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:14 -!- Natch_y is now known as Natch 15:45:31 -!- Natch_l [~Natch@c-fecee155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:32 -!- Natch is now known as Natch_l 15:45:45 -!- Natch_l is now known as Natch 15:46:01 -!- kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has quit [] 15:47:16 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:48 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 15:48:54 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:49:10 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-018-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:49:43 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.32.181.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:31 I feel guilty but sure am glad i didn't have to write it 15:52:53 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:53:31 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 15:53:37 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53:49 There's local-time if you want considerably more powerful time formatting 15:54:12 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:54:20 yeah for this once Im trying to avoid any dependencies 15:54:46 except bordeaux-threads. No real getting around that one 15:55:32 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 15:55:42 There's also a format-iso8610-time or some such in wilbur, butb this is much nicer 15:55:59 8601 15:56:04 whatever 15:56:11 is there a built-in functional way to create a hash table, more or less like Clojure? 15:56:35 Denommus: (make-hash-table)? 15:56:36 you mean from a literal? 15:57:10 -!- jandres [~user@89.red-80-38-219.staticip.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 15:57:16 like { ( a . 1) (b . 2)} or some such? 15:57:19 Denommus: (alexandria:alist-hash-table) works pretty well 15:57:36 dlowe: beat me to the punch :) 15:58:06 or plist-hash-table if that's your preference 15:58:09 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.223.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:22 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:59:01 thanks 15:59:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:44 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.197.153] has joined #lisp 16:01:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:01:35 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.197.153] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01:46 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:04:14 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:04:23 Vicfred [~anon@189.232.30.23] has joined #lisp 16:05:12 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:07:46 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-98.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:09:38 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:10:44 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-45-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:51 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 16:11:00 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@62-90-110-122.barak.net.il] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:11:03 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 16:13:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:07 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@92.47.252.144] has joined #lisp 16:13:07 -!- attila_lendvai1 is now known as attila_lendvai 16:13:07 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.252.144] has quit [Changing host] 16:13:07 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:14:08 kanwei [~kanwei@unaffiliated/kanwei] has joined #lisp 16:14:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:23 Has anyone ever worked with DWARF debugging information and Common Lisp? 16:15:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:15:54 I'm trying to map DWARF debugging descriptors onto the Common Lisp language - I have a good guide for mapping C++ onto DWARF but CL is a little different. 16:16:08 doesn't ccl provide a read me about that or am i misremembering 16:16:21 Really? I'll google it. 16:16:36 -!- _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 16:16:56 The top link is about hamsters. 16:16:56 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 16:17:36 using shark and ccl under macos. isn't that dwarf? Im pretty much igborant about it 16:17:44 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 16:18:35 What does ccl compile to? 16:18:39 hamsters are probably not compatible 16:18:54 Does it compile to "C"? 16:18:57 no 16:19:02 -!- ravster [~ravi@66.207.222.14] has left #lisp 16:19:24 machine code 16:19:29 _d3f [~gnu@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 16:19:31 arm, x86, or ppc' 16:19:51 google ccl and shark 16:21:01 zoey0 [~Zoey0@114.241.128.21] has joined #lisp 16:21:50 sorry I'm probably not much help. I'm just procrastinating... 16:21:58 So shark is Apple's "shark" application - that's been removed and replaced with Instruments. 16:22:16 oh yeah. its been a while since i used ccl 16:22:20 -!- leo2007 [lsd@192.94.73.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:57 But the idea was to use shark to profile ccl generated code - right? 16:23:13 And I'm guessing that required DWARF metadata. 16:23:20 I thought it used the dwarf format files tho 16:23:30 yes 16:23:51 if i recall correctly 16:24:05 Ok, so I'll take a look at ccl. 16:24:08 Thanks. 16:24:38 no prob. i kind of pulled that out of my ass :) 16:26:21 -!- ck`` [~ck@dslb-094-219-152-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:27:12 Here's something for your trouble: http://imgur.com/H183tRF 16:27:14 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-240-156.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:40 :) 16:27:41 cdidd [~cdidd@89-178-222-27.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:27:46 iAmThor [~iamthor@31.221.70.154] has joined #lisp 16:30:00 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[~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12:40 brkpnt [~ezequiel@190.48.175.209] has joined #lisp 17:14:58 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:31 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:15:58 I am trying to understand "packages and symbols". I can figure how exactly, the "interning symbols" works. Why i have to use #: to avoid interning, if (equalp :A :B) (find-symbol "A")=>NIL NIL 17:16:14 those symbols wasn't interned 17:16:21 but if do (foo) it will 17:16:53 why, :a and :b are interned into KEYWORD 17:17:46 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:17:47 :a :b are in keybord and foo in the current *package*? 17:19:28 brkpnt: Yes, :a is shorthand for "Intern the symbol a in the package keyword" 17:19:37 (or whatever the package is called) 17:20:09 :a is short for keyword::a 17:20:11 fnsi [bb725f65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.114.95.101] has joined #lisp 17:20:12 https://boards.4chan.org/sci/res/5684052 17:20:17 -!- fnsi [bb725f65@gateway/web/freenode/ip.187.114.95.101] has left #lisp 17:21:08 Bike_ [~Glossina@67-5-207-229.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:22 Well, that was weird. 17:22:21 ok, and what could be the problem of (defpackage :pack-foo) without the #? 17:22:22 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:22:37 brkpnt: none 17:22:45 `fogus [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 17:23:26 xd! ok, but in the web i see always with # 17:23:35 brkpnt: you would clutter up the keyword package with :pack-foo 17:23:43 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:48 "clutter" 17:23:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-240-156.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:52 *dlowe* shrugs. 17:24:13 I'm not one of the people who care, but many do. 17:24:47 The whole thing feels slightly OCD 17:24:48 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:24:52 maybe in the 80s it was a big deal 17:25:04 There's some value for distinguishing a symbol used only as a designator and a symbol used for binding something 17:25:05 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:25:26 I am working on a project now that uses ':foo when using a keyword as a value rather than as a keyword argument marker 17:25:30 Why would it have been a problem in the 80's? 17:25:40 I get it but don't really dig it. 17:25:42 urgosum: Less memory, I assume 17:25:42 symbols take memory 17:25:51 urgosum: 1 MB costed $1M in the 80's. 17:25:59 But specifically placing it in the KEYWORD package? 17:26:06 no GC in KEYWORD! 17:26:21 Heh, $1M 17:26:22 GCTWA to the rescue! 17:26:37 it wasn't that bad. The Lisa had 512K of memory stock and it cost $10k 17:26:55 Lisa was in the 81's :-) 17:27:06 ... u say, i have to use #:my-pack to avoid using the same keyword that could be defined in other place. or to avoid the generation of other symbol? 17:27:12 All right, it was less than $1M but it was still more than one year of salary. 17:27:22 brkpnt: it's not that important 17:27:37 brkpnt: it's just preference now 17:27:56 hello. is it possible to have sb-ext:compare-and-swap or something similar on arrays? (I actually just need an array of booleans which is synchronized between two threads, but a lock will probably waste a lot of time, because their changes on that array will usually not conflict) 17:28:38 schoppenhauer: so have a lock per element 17:28:53 or, you know, compare and swap on the array element 17:29:02 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:29:14 SVREF is casable 17:29:17 dlowe: that will be a *lot* of locks. and: compare-and-swap on (elt ...) does not work and throws an error. 17:30:03 stassats: ok, thanks, I'll try that 17:31:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:31:53 stassats: works, thx. 17:32:18 do you know how i knew that? i read the docstring for sb-ext:cas 17:33:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:33:27 iofhjvdsoiv0idsp [4e4e8aa2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.78.138.162] has joined #lisp 17:34:02 Yeah, some people have super powers, they read the docstrings 17:34:07 -!- incredulous [~lex@c-98-248-97-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:34:54 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:35:16 DrCode_ [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:35:18 -!- DrCode_ is now known as DrCode 17:37:24 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:37:26 valeryz [~user@33-0-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 17:40:22 i didn't have the source installed ... (which will change soon, as I am currently building the current git-thingy) 17:40:51 (documentation 'sb-ext:compare-and-swap 'function) 17:41:28 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 17:42:10 http://sbcl.org/manual/#index-g_t_0040sbext_007bcompare_002dand_002dswap_007d-390 17:42:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has joined #lisp 17:42:36 svref is even listed twice 17:42:45 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:07 schoppenhauer: you can also use (sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location "path/to/sources/") 17:43:17 i really want someone to use that feature because i wrote it. 17:43:24 drmeister: yes, somebody had fun with DWARF in CL. 17:43:43 drmeister: see http://www.xach.com/lisp/lispvan-2008-02-28.pdf 17:43:50 Xach: i use it! 17:44:15 ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 17:44:21 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 17:45:30 stassats: yay 17:45:53 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 17:47:42 Xach: Oh, thanks, I always forget how to fix the sources 17:49:03 the manual way is to set up a logical pathname translation 17:49:23 can i remove the docstring with some option when i compile? 17:49:28 well, the ironic part about this is that I was originally trying to build iolib's documentation, and somehow got carried away ... 17:51:11 ... and it still won't build ... 17:51:12 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:51:23 not a big loss 17:51:32 why not? 17:52:09 I have no readable starting point now... 17:52:20 it's patchy 17:52:31 ? 17:53:08 -!- valeryz [~user@33-0-135-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:09 schoppenhauer: use http://common-lisp.net/project/iolib/manual/ 17:54:37 I haven't updated the documentation since I generated that 17:55:05 oudeis [~oudeis@94.159.171.51] has joined #lisp 17:56:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:57:02 fe[nl]ix: is there documentation for things different from sockets? (e.g. things like select/epoll, or whatever higher-level-api there might be) 17:57:40 pjb` [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-15-231.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:58:04 -!- cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:58:53 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:58:57 DrCode_ [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:59:29 protist [~protist@40.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #lisp 17:59:36 -!- syrinx_ [~quassel@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:59:41 pjb: Thanks! 18:00:15 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:00:50 -!- DrCode_ is now known as DrCode 18:01:31 erikc [~erikc@209.20.28.194] has joined #lisp 18:01:32 -!- pjb [~user@AMontsouris-651-1-192-178.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:01:48 -!- brkpnt [~ezequiel@190.48.175.209] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02:19 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:51 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@i52104.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 18:04:52 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 18:05:10 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.30.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:15 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 18:06:35 -!- iofhjvdsoiv0idsp [4e4e8aa2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.78.138.162] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:10:47 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Client Quit] 18:12:53 Hydan [~hydan@176.74.140.3] has joined #lisp 18:13:33 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 18:14:20 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has joined #lisp 18:19:44 schoppenhauer: there's http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~psilord/blog/data/iolib-tutorial/tutorial.html 18:22:10 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:22:39 bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@athedsl-4501141.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:23:28 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:24:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:26:13 sd34 [~ase@ip56583baa.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #lisp 18:26:29 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:26:32 -!- epsylon [~epsylon@193.183.98.140] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:28:35 j0ni [~j0ni@tomos.lollyshouse.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:44 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:16 -!- Vicfred [~anon@189.232.30.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:31:24 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:34 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:31:34 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 18:33:10 -!- iAmThor [~iamthor@31.221.70.154] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 18:33:34 i have been running clisp for a while but thought i would try out sbcl 18:34:06 when i run sh make.sh, i get the error "can't guess target SBCL architecture, please specify --arch=" 18:34:39 ryankarason: are you trying to build it with clisp? 18:34:44 why would I ever use (null a-list) instead of just a-list? (Besides passing #'null to other functions) 18:34:57 dlowe: no, but i solved my issue 18:34:57 Denommus: might make code clearer 18:35:05 i ran sh make.sh --arch=armhf 18:35:19 i was trying to run make --arch=armhf 18:35:23 Denommus: because those do two different things? 18:35:25 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:27 and it wasn't working, so i can here to see my issue 18:35:39 Denommus: you mean instead of (not a-list)? 18:35:46 or (endp a-list)? 18:35:53 Umm... I'm the only person who has a chance at building SBCL on an ARM system. 18:36:34 -!- knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36:56 There is no fully working ARM port yet, and my working tree isn't quite at the point of being able to do any sort of call out to C. 18:37:05 ah 18:37:18 yeah, it ended up erroring out:( 18:37:19 dlowe: (not a-list). Sorry 18:37:33 i thought i worked because it was getting father than before i added the --arch flag 18:37:55 On the upside, I rather suspect that I'll see some rather impressive results once I get call-out working, and it's next on my list once I get back to hacking on it. 18:38:00 or simple (if (null a-list) 'b 'a) instead of (if a-list 'a 'b) 18:38:10 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@94.159.171.51] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:13 nyef: well good luck! 18:38:18 Thanks. 18:38:22 i really would like to get sbcl running on my raspberry pi 18:38:26 zickzackv [~faot@g231186089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:38:27 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.207.229] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:37 So would I. At some point after I get my hands on my raspberry pi. 18:38:39 as it seems many projects are choosing sbcl over clisp 18:38:47 oudeis [~oudeis@94.159.171.51] has joined #lisp 18:38:50 wasn't clozure common lisp ported to ARM, though? 18:38:58 clisp works 18:39:09 knob [~knob@76.76.202.244] has joined #lisp 18:39:09 (It arrived something like two weeks ago, but I haven't been home to get at it since.) 18:39:17 stassats: did you make any improvements on your c-o-m score? 18:39:26 i just wanted to play around with orcabot 18:40:27 orcabot! 18:41:32 *dlowe* should probably make it less sbcl-centric if people are actually wanting to poke at it 18:41:47 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:42:17 *ryankarason* agrees!! 18:42:31 Denommus: NOT is for operating on booleans, ENDP is for operating on lists, NULL is for operating on other values that might be nil 18:42:35 dlowe: Wait... Poking around at what? 18:42:56 We demand so much of poor NIL 18:42:58 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:00 ejbs: irc bot I wrote a while back 18:43:18 cddr [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:b02b] has joined #lisp 18:43:57 *Hydan* still hopes to find time to finish his #lisp & co. log analysis bot 18:45:26 Speaking of #lisp and bots... stassats, have you considered rigging minion et al. to log the channel somewhere accessible? 18:46:40 nyef: aren't the logs public already? I miss the way the were accessible as sexps though.. 18:48:03 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:15 I don't actually know anymore, but where's the harm in having a backup log system? 18:48:27 minion: logs 18:48:27 logs: #lisp logs are available at http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ (since 2008-09) and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/lisp/ (since 2000) 18:49:19 for another channel i wrote a nice shell script based on the unix date command to pull a specific day's logs and load into vi for using / to search 18:49:59 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:50:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:51:08 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-52-209-5.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:35 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:51:59 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-142-160-154.range86-142.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:27 -!- oudeis [~oudeis@94.159.171.51] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:59:38 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:00:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:45 dlowe: right, thanks 19:01:00 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 19:01:19 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ejohnson] 19:01:36 cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:46 nyef: i did not 19:02:12 having two log systems seems to be enough for me 19:02:40 Hydan: no, i delete all the code to not distract me 19:02:50 Hydan: 3b achieved the max score 19:03:17 stassats: whoa.. nice. too bad you gave up :p 19:03:35 do lispers really care about case sensitivity? Sometimes I see people come up with this. What difference does it make? 19:03:40 no, i'm too glad i did 19:03:53 are really there any people who actually want camelCase on Lisp? 19:04:02 mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 19:04:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 19:04:02 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:04:58 Denommus: The argument is that it is easier to write symbols that are meant to match up to some case-sensitive thing from somewhere else, like xml element names or java method names or javascript names etc. 19:04:59 *Hydan* liked lisp at first primarily because he could-create-readable-stuff with it 19:05:08 Denommus: It very occasionally comes in handy, mostly in situations with interoperability with another system. 19:05:35 I haven't run into that much myself. When I do I intend to investigate the :invert readtable case a lot more than I have so far. 19:05:47 the choice between having what CL currently has, and also being able to use camelCase, and not being to use it seems to be pretty clear 19:05:52 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 19:05:56 -!- brudgers [~opera@68-119-80-136.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com] has left #lisp 19:06:05 incredulous [~lex@c-98-248-97-211.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:06:12 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06:37 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.241.50] has joined #lisp 19:06:38 And, sure, |camelCase| is slightly annoying as well, but you'll typically confine such to a few, small interface packages anyway. 19:07:03 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-77.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 19:07:08 There's always :invert. 19:07:09 -!- CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@110.84.34.236] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:07:20 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:30 which doesn't work if you want other people to use your code 19:07:42 isn't camelCase is just a bad habit! 19:07:54 s/ is// 19:08:29 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:08:42 It would be nice if you can restrict camel case to packages with the readtable 19:08:49 *ejbs* does not know much about changing the readtable 19:08:55 ejbs: you can do that 19:09:23 -!- bioevolgenec1 [~bioevolge@athedsl-4501141.home.otenet.gr] has left #lisp 19:09:34 stassats: If I am in package non-camelcase and call camel-case-package:camelCaseFunction from that package, then will it work as expected? 19:09:37 but then having different packages using different readtable-cases is a dubious enterprise 19:09:47 ejbs: no 19:10:03 stassats: Yeah, then it's not as cool 19:11:11 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 19:11:24 -!- cades [~mac@1-169-131-162.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:12:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:13:09 -!- fihi09 [~user@pool-108-27-93-109.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:14:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:15:56 your explanations are great, thanks 19:16:57 I was complaining about the lack of an updated spec for common lisp in reddit, and some dude showed me this: http://koioslisp.tumblr.com/ 19:17:30 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-207-229.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:39 it seems to have disappeared now... 19:18:07 anyway, one of his complaints was case-sensitivity 19:19:13 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-207-229.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:20 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:19:28 yet another toy lisp, how quaint 19:20:32 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:20:52 oh, his objective was not to be a toy lisp, but an update for Common Lisp. I think it is a childish initiative, anyway. C'mon, the site is on tumblr, for God's sake 19:21:36 i have a blog on tumblr, what exactly do you imply? 19:21:39 is the conclusion of LLGPL analysis to not use LLGPL nor LGPL for lisp? 19:21:45 or am I reading between the lines? 19:21:55 (http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/article/view/75/146) 19:22:03 kikage [~kakiag@41.201.51.243] has joined #lisp 19:22:44 it's that the LLGPL doesn't add anything substantive to the LGPL, esp. regarding questions of macros and lisp images 19:22:52 stassats: are you trying to update the Common Lisp spec through this blog? 19:23:05 Man.. The ability to extend SEQUENCE would be very nice 19:23:16 ejbs: you can 19:23:25 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@146.90.115.139] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:23:27 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has joined #lisp 19:23:34 stassats: Really? Pretty sure I tried. Wait, what? 19:23:37 ejbs: can't you just write your own methods for SEQUENCE? 19:24:11 ejbs: the problem is in other direction 19:24:18 freiksenet: As in? 19:24:25 -!- kikage [~kakiag@41.201.51.243] has left #lisp 19:24:26 ejbs: yes, just use SBCL 19:24:28 Didn't Krystof do extensible SEQUENCEs for SBCL a while back, with some other implementations also adpoting it? 19:24:30 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:24:37 you cat extend sequence, but you can't make your own sequences unless you go out of standard 19:24:55 'extending' something is a loaded word in CL though 19:25:29 yes, because contrary to Java, in CL you extend a class by writing more methods for it, AFAIK. In Java, extension means heritage 19:25:52 so, you CAN create more methods for sequences 19:25:55 stassats: Can I also make new methods for LENGHT? (which I think is defined as a regular function, and not a generic one) 19:26:03 ejbs: yep 19:26:06 ejbs: in SBCL 19:26:22 Wat. Just out of the box? 19:26:49 yes 19:27:47 https://github.com/sbcl/sbcl/blob/master/src/pcl/sequence.lisp#L20 19:27:49 How? 19:28:02 ejbs: ^ 19:28:28 Oooooh. Hey, cool. Thanks 19:28:39 this is pretty sbcl specific 19:28:55 freiksenet: not really 19:28:59 ABCL implements it 19:29:08 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:36 stassats: ok, didn't know. still not standard *insert other CL progress blocking rants abouth how it's bad to violate standard* 19:29:49 um 19:30:02 minion: advice on portable 19:30:03 #12017: It doesn't need to be portable, it just needs to work on your system. 19:30:06 so I can implement my own length inside of sequence package, or did I get this wrong? 19:30:08 there are distinctions about standards, anyway 19:30:24 ejbs: see http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas01cr/papers/ilc2007/sequences-20070301.pdf 19:30:31 freiksenet: it is bad for implementations to violate standards, because implementing the standard is part of their contract 19:30:46 it is not bad for implementations to provide additional functionality, because that is part of what makes them distinctive 19:30:58 it is not bad for users to use that additional functionality, because um what else is the point? 19:31:06 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.137.28.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:19 I mean, people do seem to be afraid of violating standard 19:31:22 at least so it seemed 19:31:24 to me 19:31:33 that kinda blocks CL progress 19:31:34 and they are 19:31:43 what do you think "violating standard" means? 19:31:46 there's no standard violation in extensible sequences 19:31:54 implementors are afraid of not implementing the standard 19:31:55 I already heard big rants here because I used REQUIRE in a little script of mine, because REQUIRE is not standard 19:32:07 I meant, using non-standard extensions of implementations 19:32:13 everything else is a matter of tradeoffs 19:32:13 REQUIRE is standard, but not portably usable. 19:32:24 but I was running that script only on my computer, and I didn't care if it would work in other people's computers, or if it was cross-implementation 19:32:40 but you were talking to other people about it here, presumably 19:32:44 clhs 1.6 19:32:44 Language Extensions: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/01_f.htm 19:33:12 so it was not just "only on your computer", it was in discussion here too 19:33:36 I do a number of things that are not portable in one way or another, and if someone wants to change it so that they can port it to another system then they may. 19:33:49 I was talking to other people, but about other piece of code not directly related to the REQUIRE 19:33:56 and then (who knows, I wasn't paying attention) maybe you weren't clear enough that no-one other than you right now would ever run your code. Or maybe you hit a hot-button, who knows? 19:34:03 I'll use SB-ALIEN by far in preference to CFFI, for example. 19:34:25 I could easily do ql:quickload, or asdf:require-system. But I was just testing something 19:34:49 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 19:35:26 anyway, I'm not offended or anything like it, I'm just saying that there are people who are afraid of breaking standards, yes 19:36:21 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abod134.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 19:36:27 (Hell, in the "I used SB-UNIX:UNIX-IOCTL" case, someone actually DID port the code to CFFI.) 19:36:41 rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 19:36:45 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:03 using sb-unix is "of course" a bad idea because sb-unix "is supposed to be an internal implementation package" 19:37:11 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37:30 nyef: sb-unix, double vicious 19:38:06 sb-unix is supposed to be internal in some way that sb-alien isn't? 19:38:13 *patrickwonders* scratches head 19:38:15 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 19:38:16 Yup! And I DON'T CARE, because it worked, and comes with explicitly no guarantee. (-: 19:38:36 sb-unix is internal in the way that you shouldn't use it 19:39:01 patrickwonders: Yes, some of SBCL's packages are marked "private", meaning that the SBCL developers reserve the right to break things with no notice, and no sympathy should you be using the things that they break. 19:39:10 *patrickwonders* was thinking of sb-posix 19:39:26 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 19:39:30 It's internal in the way that makes everyone use it anyways, because nobody has a reasonable way to know it's supposed to be internal when looking around for the thing to call. 19:39:31 sb-posix is a contrib, that's a whole other matter. 19:39:37 -!- Hydan [~hydan@176.74.140.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:40:16 if only they read (documentation (find-package 'sb-unix) t) 19:40:41 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:40:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:41:15 -!- rpg_ [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:29 It could be called sb-impl-unix::unix-ioctl instead; that would be a whole lot less ambiguous. Even if you read that once, you'll still do what patrickwonders did up there. 19:41:45 sb-unix vs sb-posix...very confusable 19:41:51 -!- sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:41:57 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:42:15 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:43:50 tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:45:57 ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:46:33 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 19:49:27 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 19:50:48 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:43 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:51:44 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:05 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:55:01 -!- oticat` [~oticat@114-36-247-241.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:17 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:51 foom: but then we'd break all the code out there that uses sb-unix :-) 19:59:52 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:50 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has joined #lisp 20:02:00 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:02:19 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-220-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:02:32 ... 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Shouldn't the :expected-type consider the user defined sequences too? 21:29:31 fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 21:29:53 well, that's just for reporting, and looking up all sequence classes that have that method defined would be a bit of a pain 21:32:08 Mnyeh, still, feels incomplete. 21:39:07 -!- fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:39:22 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:41:30 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 21:43:00 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-43.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:45:24 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 21:46:27 -!- ravster [~ravi@66.207.222.14] has left #lisp 21:47:15 -!- iLogical 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timed out] 23:51:38 -!- davazp [~user@31.200.128.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:40 okay, for the second time, but the first time was a mistake (defmethod (setf foo)...) would have worked the first time, but I didn't know about it then 23:51:41 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@ed-uluka.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:10 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:52:10 adelgado [~TomSawyer@137.52.1.11] has joined #lisp 23:52:15 so, CLISP works just dandy on ARM. where would one start to go about bootstraping SBCL using CLISP? 23:52:53 kurk [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 23:52:58 ryankarason: http://www.sbcl.org/porting.html 23:53:30 i read through that page, but i didn't find it with any instructions of actually how to bootstrap 23:53:50 ryankarason: click on "cross-compilation is straightforward" 23:54:17 ryankarason: but I don't think there's an ARM backend for sbcl, so you'll have to write 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