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BUT then why this is an error: (defmacro m (a) `(defmacro b `(fn ,a))) ? 00:45:19 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@71-82-124-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 00:45:28 (list 'defmacro 'b (list 'list ''fn 'a)) 00:46:32 in other words the a is looked up only when the inner expansion is evaluated, by which time the macro argument is of course out of scope. 00:47:21 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 00:47:56 what's the formals for b ? 00:49:03 maybe you mean something like `(defmacro ,(compute-name a) (...formals...) ,(fn a)) ? 00:50:27 -!- mc40 [~mc40@host86-148-31-142.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: mc40] 00:50:51 Fare: i dont know what "formals" in this context means but the example macro has problems as it is, no other information needed. 00:50:59 lambda-list 00:51:00 Bike i need to think about it a bit 00:51:19 ah it is empty, sorry about that 00:51:22 nan_: what implementation are you using? 00:51:33 sbcl 00:51:40 mrm 00:51:51 with nested backquotes i think it's useful to look at the "expansion" 00:52:11 or (defmacro b (arg1 arg2) `(foo ,arg1 ,',(baz a))) 00:52:15 i have a short function to translate sbcl backquote forms into standard forms if you want 00:52:20 Bike: i am doing it constantly with slime-macroexpand 00:52:31 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:38 that's not the same. 00:52:45 (debackquote '(defmacro m (a) `(defmacro b `(fn ,a)))) => (DEFMACRO M (A) '(DEFMACRO B (LIST (QUOTE FN) A))) 00:52:50 oh please, that would help great 00:53:36 Fare: it is empty lambda list () 00:53:46 http://paste.lisp.org/+2XHW 00:54:05 My advice is: start from the expansion, then abstract it away 00:54:18 -!- GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:54:36 hm, i wonder why the labels got indented weird... 00:54:36 and learn of the difference between ,,a ,',a ',,a ,',a ',',a 00:55:30 Bike: thanks for the code! 00:57:05 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 00:57:49 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 00:57:51 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 00:58:39 Fare: thank you too! 00:59:56 This was a fun boondoggle  https://github.com/bhyde/heroku-buildpack-ccl64-example1#readme 01:00:07 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:01:27 How'd it go? 01:01:33 Ready to give a talk about it? 01:02:12 it's more the scale of a lightning talk + q&a :) 01:04:51 Xach: can you send questions about asdf ? 01:05:17 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:05:42 KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has joined #lisp 01:06:16 *Fare* wonders whether poiu should be part of asdf by default. Probably not, for now. 01:07:00 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:10 *Xach* will try 01:10:18 spacefro1 [~spacefrog@drsd-4db38c85.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:10:32 -!- nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:11:40 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:13:18 -!- spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 01:18:29 mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has joined #lisp 01:18:48 Bike: Fare: scheme spec on backtick answers my question with "Substitutions are made only for unquoted components appearing at the same nesting level as the outermost backquote" 01:23:46 Xach: thanks 01:24:34 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025029.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:25:11 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:27:10 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:15 -!- ffilozov [~user@2a02:8071:2223:6a00:990f:843b:db8c:34af] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:23 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.222.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:34:13 -!- damncanuck [~user@CPE0021299205a6-CMbc1401e089d0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:47 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 01:40:34 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:41:35 -!- Henesy [~h3n3sy@adsl-75-23-116-147.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:45:10 ISF [~ivan@189.61.222.251] has joined #lisp 01:49:42 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:50:09 Yinne [~Knirr@c-da4ae555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:50:41 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:43 AntiSpamMeta2 [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 01:50:43 -!- AntiSpamMeta2 is now known as AntiSpamMeta 01:53:52 -!- Knirr [~Knirr@c-da4ae555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:11 Henesy [~h3n3sy@76.253.185.4] has joined #lisp 01:56:50 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:33 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:44 capcrunch [~capcrunch@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:16 momo-reina [~user@217.23.15.245] has joined #lisp 02:10:01 Sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 02:14:56 -!- casion [~AdmiralBu@pool-71-99-141-240.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: casion] 02:17:27 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: perpetual darkness] 02:17:40 -!- Henesy [~h3n3sy@76.253.185.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:18:00 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:31:04 Henesy [~h3n3sy@adsl-75-23-115-2.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:34:22 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:34:38 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:36:15 -!- weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:40:15 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:41:31 is multiple-value-bind still recommended as a best practice or is it being deprecated? 02:43:38 nalaginrut [~nalaginru@61.14.130.226] has joined #lisp 02:44:56 why would it be deprecated? 02:45:20 -!- erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: erikc] 02:47:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has joined #lisp 02:47:00 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@crlspr-24.233.190.221.myacc.net] has quit [Changing host] 02:47:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@unaffiliated/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:47:32 i remember reading somewhere a few months ago (i think it was some sort of code review) that it wasn't a good idea to use multiple-value-bind anymore because it was going to be removed in the (far?) future... haven't thought about it since but I came across it while reading PAIP so just wanted to know what the real deal was 02:47:58 the CL standard isn't set to be revised until heat death, i think you're good 02:48:51 haha ok I'll take that 02:52:15 the most famous actually deprecated operator is remove-if-not 02:52:22 I don't think you need to worry about using that one, either. 02:53:13 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:18 -!- Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:54:19 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 02:55:13 What was multiple-value-bind to be replaced with? :) 02:55:49 I also was wondering, would multiple values no longer be supported in such a hypothetical future revision 02:55:55 heh 02:56:29 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:03 -!- Guest36791 [~lukas@194.228.13.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:57:59 I think it was saying that it wasn't going to be replaced with anything, just write your functions differently 02:58:03 i'll see if i can find it again 03:03:05 I don't doubt that some people might dislike or generally avoid multiple values though, CL is however very multi-paradigm 03:03:29 stuff like that d-whatever kernel lisp and the kernel spec are anti-multiple-values, i guess 03:04:02 what's the problem with multiple-value-bind? 03:04:12 functions should only return one value? 03:08:37 hmm all I know is that many languages lack them, at a lower level they're often slightly harder to implement, traditionally multiple values are returned through one register (or two if the architecture has separate address/value registers)... others might have better answers 03:08:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:58 err traditionally one value I mean, not multiple 03:09:44 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.181.72] has joined #lisp 03:12:14 I remember that some cs courses will emphasize that a function should return a single value and that its code flow must always reach the end before returning, etc, but that's discipline and theory, and often specific to the particular langage they use for teaching 03:12:31 s/langage/language/ 03:12:44 I don't think "one return point" is really related... 03:13:01 only related to the discipline aspect (i.e. non-technical reason) 03:13:17 I mean, you could have one return point with multiple values. 03:13:26 ah yes I agree 03:14:06 have a look at Prolog which has real multiple outputs :) 03:14:51 vicfred [~vicfred@189.232.30.23] has joined #lisp 03:15:27 Bor0 [~sitnik@unaffiliated/boro/x-000000001] has joined #lisp 03:17:46 -!- vicfred [~vicfred@189.232.30.23] has quit [Client Quit] 03:25:53 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:28 phadthai: If you follow that dicipline strictly, code can be difficult to follow 03:27:40 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 03:28:01 loke: :) 03:28:27 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:28:41 -!- capcrunch [~capcrunch@pc-33-7-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:28:47 weie [~eie@softbank221078042071.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 03:29:09 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.181.72] has left #lisp 03:29:27 The code base at work (C, mostly) used to strictly adhere to that, which means that most of the code is full if very deeply nested if's with plenty of if(retCode...) and finally a return retCode. 03:29:51 -!- Bor0 [~sitnik@unaffiliated/boro/x-000000001] has quit [] 03:29:54 Painful as hell, when they could have gotten away with simply doing a return much earlier 03:30:29 Now in Lisp, of course, RETURN and RETURN-FROM are much more rare. 03:30:34 phadthai: anyway i don't know the runtimes very well but i'm reasonably sure multiple values complicate the calling convention 03:30:43 loke: yes, definitely it can't suit every circumstance... just like a goto can make the code cleaner in some scenarios, despite it being often frowned upon 03:33:21 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:53 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 03:34:25 Bike: yes it requires some work, ECL for instance uses an array in an environment closure-like object to allow them, and for multiple threads multiple ones are needed of course 03:34:45 Bike: In SBCL, it seems as though the Carry flag indicates whether or not there are more than one return value 03:35:23 So in functions returning one return value only, the function normally ends with a CLC instruction 03:35:54 I think it can probably help efficiency though... I know they try to compile to similar things in haskell-land 03:36:02 loke: ooh is that why that happens? nice. 03:36:32 Do: (disassemble #'(lambda () (values 1 2))) 03:36:38 and then you'll see a call to STC 03:36:50 yeah, i've seen them before but didn't know what to think. that's pretty neat. 03:37:41 interesting 03:38:00 It's an interesting repurposing of the flag, yes. Useful, since normally one can't make any assumptions on the content of the C flag safter a call anyway 03:40:00 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 03:40:53 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:41:13 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025029.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: au revoir] 03:42:30 As far as I can tell, the first three values are returned in registers, and the remaining ones are passed back on the stack 03:43:54 That's clever, as if the extra return values are not used, next usage of the stack will simply overwrite those values 03:44:53 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.222.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:45:17 Fare: whatever monofasl error I was talking about doesn't seem to be an issue now 03:45:34 with a fresh compile with ASDF 2.33.2, anyway... 03:46:38 i'm going my CCL dumplisp now, then i can try the poiu build on linux. 03:46:58 my environment automatically upgrades to 2.33.2 so is that ok for testing? 03:47:21 and how does poiu work --- just a drop-in replacement for asdf, like (poiu:load-system :gendl) ? 03:49:37 rhinux_ [~rhinux@27.115.15.9] has joined #lisp 03:50:27 asdf, poiu, zxcv... What's next? |8ik,| ? 03:50:57 -!- Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50:57 8ike 03:51:16 -!- meiji11 [~user@d75-158-41-148.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51:40 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:55:36 I kind of suspect that it might be more elegant to implement multiple-value returns by passing a callback instead, these days. 03:55:40 8ik, 03:57:03 Zhivago: wouldn't that cause a lot of extra work on the part of the caller? 03:57:41 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:57:49 Zhivago: If I do (the fixnum (foo)), the call to (foo) wouldn't be able to return (values 1 2) 03:58:20 Zhivago: That is in violation of the spec, I believe 03:58:37 ISF [~ivan@189.61.222.251] has joined #lisp 03:59:20 Just macrologize the buggery out of it. 04:03:04 gendl, poiu overrides asdf::*default-plan-class*, so you just use the normal (asdf:load-system :gendl) after loading poiu 04:04:19 loke: someone suggested jkl; 04:05:11 Fare: How about =[;. ? 04:05:45 loke: is that a hat or a mohawk? 04:06:33 Fare: Hat 04:06:54 It means Half-Automatic Tasks 04:06:57 and a duck mouth? 04:07:10 (whatever, I can't come up with anything good :-) ) 04:07:21 Fare: i might need to sleep before i can test 04:07:43 i feel the purple cloak taking over, i'll be more effective after some shut-eye... 04:09:36 -!- pers` [~user@ec2-54-234-103-44.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:53 nity nite! 04:19:18 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19:23 Fare: "Component :poiu not found." 04:19:28 what am i missing? 04:19:57 git clone ssh://common-lisp.net/project/qitab/git/poiu.git 04:20:21 into my quicklisp/local-projects/ ? 04:20:33 or git clone git://common-lisp.net/projects/qitab/poiu.git 04:20:50 for instance, or anywhere in your source-registry 04:21:13 beware to load the latest asdf before you load quicklisp 04:21:39 normally i just let quicklisp load the asdf 04:21:46 i put the latest asdf.lisp into quicklisp/asdf.lisp 04:22:02 and delete quicklisp/cache/ 04:22:07 and restart 04:22:36 i have 2.33.2 in quicklisp/asdf.lisp at present. 04:22:57 -!- Henesy [~h3n3sy@adsl-75-23-115-2.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:24:11 just letting quicklisp should work most of the time... except where it doesn't. Typically on implementations that have to "punt" on upgrad 04:25:46 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:01 ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:56 i'm trying on allegro/linux now -- i'm pretty sure it upgrades smoothly. 04:27:34 I'm not sure poiu works on allegro 04:27:54 that was one of the 3 you asked me to test on 04:28:20 on my allegro express thing (32-bit), it fails to load some libraries (using a 64-bit ubuntu) 04:28:32 so yes, if you can test it, that's great 04:28:49 a recent clisp might work, too, except I haven't managed to compile it. 04:30:13 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 04:38:10 -!- momo-reina [~user@217.23.15.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:38:13 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-229-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 04:39:09 git clone git://common-lisp.net/projects/gitab/poiu.git --> 04:39:16 fatal: remote error: 04:39:26 access denied or repository not exported 04:39:34 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-lxotcwqozadxpbgc] has joined #lisp 04:39:39 and the ssh one asks me for a password, which I don't have. 04:39:54 uh? 04:39:59 sigh 04:40:01 try this one: 04:40:20 git@github.com:fare/poiu.git 04:40:48 qitab, not gitab 04:40:53 above 04:42:25 ah ok thanks. my bad for typing by hand. 04:42:53 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-229-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:43:06 a name starting with q is an old ITA joke of sort 04:43:15 youlysses [~jsgrant@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 04:45:06 -!- ejohnson [~Thunderbi@c-67-181-201-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:46:36 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@cpe-70-112-10-105.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:46:37 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@cpe-70-112-10-105.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Changing host] 04:46:37 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 04:46:52 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:48:47 welp the poiu build is failing on allegro with ".../apps/yadd/source/zzinit.fasl does not exist, cannot load." 04:49:04 tried on SMP and non-SMP allegro, same result. 04:49:20 non-poiu build works as expected to completion. 04:49:29 trying ccl and sbcl now... 04:50:03 :( 04:50:25 it might be a missing dependency, too, if you're using funky asdf extensions 04:51:56 same error on sbcl, and apparently ccl is not on this machine's linux vm at the moment... 04:52:15 i'm not using any extensions, and specify :serial t in every .asd file. 04:52:49 on sbcl I did get a warning about "you are running threads so it's not safe to fork, running build serially" or something like that 04:53:58 you should be able to replicate, git clone git://github.com/genworks/gendl.git 04:54:13 are you running threads during the build? 04:54:24 i guess 04:54:33 that's weird 04:54:35 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has joined #lisp 04:54:59 i mean, i'm just doing my normal development bootstrap, 04:55:03 not actually doing a build 04:55:21 how do you define "build' ? 04:57:38 i just looked at that zzinit.lisp 04:57:50 compiling gendl... so far so good 04:57:50 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:58:02 what's a bit unusual about that file is it has no definitions of anything 04:58:02 it only calls a function at the toplevel 04:58:16 with sbcl using poiu, on linux/amd64 04:58:19 (glisp:set-features *these-features*0 04:58:54 where/how is zzinit defined? 04:59:11 gendl/apps/yadd/source/zzinit.lisp 04:59:15 (I'm at apps/tasty) 04:59:29 yadd comes pretty much last 04:59:45 ; /home/tunes/.cache/common-lisp/sbcl-1.1.5.5.master.2-ff7fc7a-linux-x64/home/tunes/cl/THIRDPARTY/gendl/apps/yadd/source/zzinit-ASDF-TMP.fasl written 04:59:54 no problem, all working for me 05:00:09 done building? 05:00:23 back to repl prompt? 05:00:48 should i try turning off threads before building? 05:00:57 if you're done building, try 05:01:06 (gendl:start-gendl!) 05:02:17 why are you starting them at all? 05:02:25 i'm not 05:02:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.243.133] has joined #lisp 05:02:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.243.133] has quit [Changing host] 05:02:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:02:30 poiu can't run if threads are running currently 05:02:38 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.23.123.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:02:42 i'm running sbcl+threads 05:02:47 i guess it starts them automatically? 05:02:58 can i turn them off? 05:03:18 or do i have to run plain sbcl without threads 05:03:43 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.194.137] has joined #lisp 05:03:59 sbcl shouldn't be starting them by default... but SLIME might 05:04:11 if that's ho you're using it 05:04:31 yes i'm running thru slime 05:05:10 rlwrap :-( 05:05:14 gotta go 05:05:17 nity nite 05:05:20 zzzz 05:05:27 or M-x shell 05:05:33 slime won't help you 05:05:41 there are slime options w/o threads 05:05:43 anyway 05:05:44 bye 05:05:49 ok i'll try from a shell real quick 05:05:54 will let u know tomorrow 05:05:55 bye 05:10:06 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:15:25 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 05:15:54 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:59 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has joined #lisp 05:17:02 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c29ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:17:24 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl_] 05:17:27 kmox83 [~kmox83@host251-148-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 05:17:48 Vicfred [~anon@189.232.30.23] has joined #lisp 05:19:12 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:19:19 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:27:29 teggi [~teggi@123.21.175.188] has joined #lisp 05:30:12 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:31:24 -!- arrsim [~user@mail.fitness2live.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:42 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:40:00 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:40:16 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@host251-148-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: kmox83] 05:41:17 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 05:42:52 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:31 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 05:47:05 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:48:54 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:48:59 bind [~bind@D57DEC5A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #lisp 05:49:09 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:50:14 -!- youlysses [~jsgrant@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:51:02 youlysses [~jsgrant@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 05:51:53 asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has joined #lisp 05:53:00 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:55:30 pegu [~user@cF469BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #lisp 05:55:35 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:56:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-37-88.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-183.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:57:32 Bike [~Glossina@174-25-37-88.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:57:44 zickzackv [~faot@g225054129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 05:57:53 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 05:58:24 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 06:02:25 tu_lokito [~canaima@190.38.55.121] has joined #lisp 06:02:49 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-37-88.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:02:55 -!- tu_lokito [~canaima@190.38.55.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:55 -!- jji [~jji@d175-39-18-39.sbr800.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:06:06 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-37-88.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:07:05 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:08:26 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:09:32 Is there a free-text search engine available for CL? 06:10:45 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.112.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:05 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:11:38 -!- zickzackv [~faot@g225054129.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:12:02 -!- youlysses [~jsgrant@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Quit: youlysses] 06:12:24 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:12:25 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:40 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:12:52 Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 06:13:22 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 06:13:29 -!- Sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 06:14:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:14:37 loke, (search "a" "abcd") 06:15:44 Well, yes. I know that :-) 06:15:53 The answer seems to be Montezuma though 06:16:11 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 06:16:28 zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:17:11 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:19:33 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:21:35 -!- Vicfred [~anon@189.232.30.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:21:45 yea that looks good 06:24:07 kmox83 [~kmox83@2-229-13-115.ip194.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:24:44 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 06:27:29 -!- spacefro1 [~spacefrog@drsd-4db38c85.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:28:35 -!- kmox83 [~kmox83@2-229-13-115.ip194.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30:00 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:31:44 kmox83 [~kmox83@2-229-13-115.ip194.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:31:53 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 06:35:00 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:35:31 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 06:37:30 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:38:26 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 06:40:52 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 06:40:52 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:40:52 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:42:20 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.215.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:47:37 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.50] has joined #lisp 06:49:34 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@171.217.83.233] has left #lisp 06:56:17 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 06:58:44 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:00:43 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:01:13 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.251] has joined #lisp 07:01:32 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-229-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 07:03:36 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:47 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04:29 teggi_ [~teggi@123.20.24.160] has joined #lisp 07:04:45 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:05:52 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.175.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:06:32 xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-dyyzsousarcsaqye] has joined #lisp 07:07:37 yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 07:09:27 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:09:41 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:53 -!- KDr2 [~KDr2@111.161.70.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:09:54 Odyessus [~odyessus@guest-wlan.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 07:10:35 If ASDF:COMPILE says "caught 1 fatal ERROR condition", "caught 1 WARNING condition" but the REPL only shows output for "caught WARNING:" and later on "... .fasl written" - is it interpreting the WARNING as ERROR? 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12:39:27 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 12:39:39 hi 12:39:52 so SBCL managed to go to GSoC 12:39:58 Denommus: hello 12:40:15 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:40:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:43 I wish I had time to help, but besides being a student, I'm a professional... 12:42:37 just upgraded the kernel. Rebooting 12:42:38 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:43:03 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:57 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.251] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:10 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.251] has joined #lisp 12:46:29 -!- Harag [~Thunderbi@105.225.36.72] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:46:41 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-151-235.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:47:11 -!- hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 12:47:38 I'm not finding an Informix database driver at http://cliki.net/Database, is there any hope of finding one elsewhere? (Google isn't helping much) 12:48:07 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 12:48:10 dim: you have some chances in using ODBC 12:48:12 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:48:18 no idea about the state of ODBC FFI, though 12:48:22 back 12:48:44 hq1 [~aerosol@unaffiliated/hq1] has joined #lisp 12:48:55 ODBC is a good idea, maybe even JDBC using ABCL, if that's really needed 12:49:16 do we have (I think that makes sense) a pure-lisp ODBC module? 12:49:28 there's no such thing as pure-lisp ODBC 12:49:32 does. not. computer 12:49:34 *compute 12:49:59 however, I do believe there were at least some libs that implemented ODBC calling standard 12:50:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:50:16 (unless you're talking about a generic db interface to be reused by libraries in lisp?) 12:50:48 what's the subject? DB Connection in CL? 12:51:06 that's something that I would like to know about. Do I have to use CFFI? 12:51:35 Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:35 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-222-103.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:51:40 Denommus: depends. postmodern speaks Postgres' protocol directly, similarly bindings for TokyoTyrant 12:51:44 -!- fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:00 fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 12:52:02 Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has joined #lisp 12:52:45 but if I want to use MariaDB or MySQL, on the other hand... 12:53:16 not that I really need to. I always end up preferring SQLite for lightweight stuff, and Postgres for heavyweight 12:54:11 and I know there is cl-sqlite 12:55:10 I though that the ODBC thing was about a protocol, too, but I might be totally mistaken on that, it's a C level interface, right? 12:55:36 PostgreSQL and postmodern are working great, Denommus 12:55:45 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:56:01 I'm only interested into other drivers to work on a tool that migrates away from other databases into PostgreSQL :) 12:56:04 -!- Joreji [~thomas@69-083.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:56:47 -!- fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:01 fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 12:57:03 for MySQL I've been using cl-mysql which is a CFFI based driver 12:57:43 Denommus: ODBC is afaik based on Oracle's calling standard 12:57:51 -!- fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:16 ahhh, not oracle 12:58:44 fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 13:03:13 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:23 -!- gendl [~gendl@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 13:07:40 well maybe I should integrate clsql into pgloader next, to cover lots of grounds in one stone 13:09:30 rk[bus] [~rak@cpe-76-189-227-224.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:10:04 -!- rk[bus] is now known as ryankarason 13:10:29 -!- Guest34057 is now known as xristos 13:10:45 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:12:25 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:12:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:12:41 ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 13:15:12 -!- xificurC [xificurC@nat/ibm/x-dyyzsousarcsaqye] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:17:18 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-173-206-64-86.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:20:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.90] has joined #lisp 13:20:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.90] has quit [Changing host] 13:20:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:20:16 -!- protist [~protist@126.172.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:24:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:24:46 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-006-076.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:26:43 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:27:33 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:27:50 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:29:07 arrdem [~arrdem@dhcp-53-132.ece.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 13:29:39 jandres [~user@89.Red-80-38-219.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:30:21 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:30:27 Emacs is telling me that flet is obsolete when I open a new .lisp file, that I should use cl-flet or cl-letf 13:30:54 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:05 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:31:41 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:12 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:33:18 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 13:34:27 -!- knob [~knob@66-50-7-81.prtc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:33 Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.143.175] has joined #lisp 13:36:03 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 13:36:45 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:37:06 enymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has joined #lisp 13:37:14 Denommus: You're writing Elisp, right? Then I'd say that asking #emacs is a better idea 13:37:22 segv- [~mb@95-91-241-29-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:37:43 KDr2 [~KDr2@123.120.157.87] has joined #lisp 13:39:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:39:36 ejbs: I'm asking here because I'm not sure if it's ELisp or CL. But now that you're saying, it must be something from Lisp mode (which is written in ELisp) 13:39:41 I don't use flet anywhere in my init file 13:41:19 Denommus: Well, it shouldn't matter that the Lisp-mode is written in Elisp or not. What exactly is the name of the file you've opened and what are you trying to do? 13:41:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:41:58 -!- bind [~bind@D57DEC5A.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:43:21 ejbs: I just created a .lisp file and Emacs complained about flet. It must be Elisp's flet that is obsolete 13:44:00 Denommus: slime's .el code uses flet (which in recent emacs' is now obsolete), if you're lazily loding slime that could be the reason. 13:45:12 -!- xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:45:21 Denommus: do you get the message: "`flet' is an obsolete macro; use either `cl-flet' or `cl-letf'." ? 13:45:40 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 13:45:41 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 13:45:41 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:46:15 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:47:27 xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 13:47:39 I get that message whenever I start emacs 13:47:45 -!- xristos is now known as Guest79804 13:47:52 I think certain emacs packages use it and it throws an error on latest emacs start up 13:47:57 (or on certain file loads apparently) 13:48:08 ahungry: it's not an error (on my emacs at least), just a warning. 13:48:22 ah my bad, but I definitely get the message spat out at me each time I start emacs 13:48:23 and a lot of emacs package use flet (one of these packages being slime) 13:48:48 ahungry: me too, and it's annoying, and there's no reason it should be cl-flet instead of just flet, but i'm not going to go argue about it. 13:49:53 :) 13:51:05 kanru` [~kanru@104.Red-79-159-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:20 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:51:30 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:53:08 prip_ [~foo@host93-120-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:54:06 -!- prip [~foo@host93-120-dynamic.250-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:55:10 Joreji [~thomas@68-094.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:56:42 Sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has joined #lisp 13:57:22 -!- Sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [Client Quit] 13:59:06 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 14:01:38 jtza8_ [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:02:19 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:02:38 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:14 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 14:05:10 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:05:47 Denommus` [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus/x-89635553] has joined #lisp 14:06:16 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:57 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:06 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 14:07:48 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:09:04 -!- jtza8_ [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:09:22 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:55 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 14:11:00 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:12:16 "Iterate does not know how to handle the special form (MACROLET ((HTM ...)))" - ie. (CL-WHO:WITH-HTML-OUTPUT ..) in ITERATE. 14:12:25 any ideas how I can make that work? 14:12:28 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-119-244-165-183.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:05 flip214_: can you wrap the code that uses cl-who into a local function? 14:13:07 or use loop? 14:13:08 ITERATE sources have ;(macrolet . walk-macrolet) ; uncomment to raise error 14:13:27 (iterate's code walker never learnt how to deal with macrolet and symbol-macrolet (it's hard)) 14:13:44 segv-: I specifically migrated _from_ loop because of PREVIOUS and others 14:14:12 Can I just tell ITERATE to ignore some forms? 14:14:28 there are no ITERATE clauses in there anyway. 14:15:03 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:15:43 flip214_: i think there was a reason (at some point in the distant past) that that wasn't implemented, but it seems to be a reasonable enough action to take. 14:16:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:03 flip214_: i think uncommenting that and just unil nil as the walker will work (totally untested and it has been a looooong time since i actually tried to read that code) 14:18:04 Czechton [~Czechton@cpc8-lewi14-2-0-cust162.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:19:17 segv-: not nice, but it works ... http://paste.lisp.org/display/136731 14:20:07 -!- kanru` [~kanru@104.Red-79-159-200.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:20:20 segv-: there's no way for iterate to portably update the lexenv. 14:21:08 ISF [~ivan@189.61.222.251] has joined #lisp 14:22:06 pkhuong: i know, i'm not saying iterate should properly handle macrolet (it's a mess) 14:22:20 but i'm not convinced disallowing it totally is the best response to that. 14:22:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22:54 (not that i'm in a pasition to dictate how iterate should work) 14:25:31 -!- Denommus` is now known as Denommus 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known as xristos 14:39:21 has anyone successfully compiled clisp recently, including its "linux" module? 14:39:36 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:39:43 -!- Joreji [~thomas@68-094.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:33 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:40:37 Fare: HEAD ? 14:41:37 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002523.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:42:45 bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has joined #lisp 14:46:11 Anyone still trying to solve c-o-m? 14:46:25 Or everybody already solved it and I'm too slow? 14:46:29 -!- bolcselo [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:41 *|3b|* wasted way too much time on it :/ 14:46:57 <|3b|> (and hasn't done very well so far) 14:47:13 Joreji [~thomas@68-094.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:47:34 I've just finished implementing c-o-m itself on lisp and thought it may be useful for someone. 14:47:56 It seems to work pretty well and I'm refactoring code right now. 14:47:59 what's c-o-m? 14:48:05 knob [~knob@66-50-7-81.prtc.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:11 dim: you missed all fun. 14:48:11 GOMADWarrior [~Regis@189.34.44.144] has joined #lisp 14:48:18 sellout- [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has joined #lisp 14:48:18 dim: https://www.hackerrank.com/monthly/challenges/click-o-mania 14:48:19 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:48:20 damn, again 14:48:39 I do not have access to this problem 14:48:41 leo2007 [~leo@111.161.47.175] has joined #lisp 14:48:44 dim: but you need to complete https://www.hackerrank.com/monthly/challenges/icecream-parlor to get access to c-o-m. 14:49:04 dim: it's pretty fun, definitely try it. 14:49:06 <|3b|> basically play http://games.bugaco.com/games/clickomania/ with code 14:49:18 well I don't have much free time, if at all 14:49:55 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kxqudcpnfrdsidqm] has joined #lisp 14:50:23 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:25 bolcselo [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:51:50 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:52:02 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 14:52:23 <|3b|> would be nice if they had more than 4 test cases, seems too easy to get a full score just by luck (unless the top scorers are doing a lot better than i suspect they are) 14:52:57 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-38.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:53:12 <|3b|> (luck as in 'picking the right heuristic' rather than picking moves at random that is) 14:55:51 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:56:11 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 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16:05:52 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=SP-MCTS :) 16:06:25 -!- akovalenko [~user@195.18.46.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:06:43 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:07:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:08:19 Hydan: Oh, it sounded like something you had come up with, ty 16:08:54 I have a c-o-m solver that 'should' work finished 16:09:01 just need to fix the bugs in it 16:09:35 Strigoides: 'should work' as in 'leaves an empty board'? 16:09:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:10:17 nah, should work as in 'inexplicably chooses squares with no connecting squares of the same color' 16:10:22 Strigoides: because actually getting a decent score seems to be quite hard as I see 16:10:34 I had a version which worked and got me ~20 points 16:10:48 trying to improve upon it with this 16:10:57 -!- Fare [~fare@173-9-65-97-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:11:34 oh wait, I see what you meant with your 'should work' comment 16:11:40 yeah, should leave an empty board 16:11:40 ;) 16:11:57 depending on how large the board is 16:12:03 always 20x10 16:12:04 Shinmera [~linus@xdsl-188-155-176-171.adslplus.ch] has joined #lisp 16:12:17 rather, how many groups there are 16:12:57 *|3b|* 's best score was from my first 'just pick a valid move' version :( 16:13:14 what was your score? 16:13:23 <|3b|> 21 or so 16:13:23 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:27 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-wvveyrxtwetlnjol] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13:29 my "pick the biggest group" version was what got me my ~20 16:13:46 my is 30.26, i'm not really sure what it does 16:14:04 ha 16:14:09 what was it intended to do? 16:14:30 do you guys score yourselves in your code? 16:14:51 <|3b|> problem description says how they score 16:15:45 <|3b|> pretty much just have to submit it and see though, since there is no way to tell what the test problems look like (aside from how many colors is implied by the scoring) 16:17:36 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:17:45 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@50.12.146.82] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 16:18:52 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192006.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:18:59 smazga [~acrid@64.55.45.194] has joined #lisp 16:19:29 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-DDF54100.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 16:19:53 I am writing a test case generator, and scoring myself. but as I said, far form done.. benefit being I actually will see the test case where it does good/bad. 16:20:02 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:13 got a problem with trying out an example from // Written by Ch. Tronche (http://tronche.lri.fr:8000/) 16:20:16 ups 16:20:26 -!- kliph` [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:20:32 from // Written by Ch. Tronche (http://tronche.lri.fr:8000/) 16:20:35 bah 16:20:46 from http://picpaste.de/pics/ragged-right-w3vrNP9i.1366042784.png 16:21:00 oh man, my pasting is totally booze today.... 16:21:08 wbooze: who are you talking to? 16:21:16 billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:16 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-69-195-51-245.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:17 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:21:27 i meant from http://www.cawtech.demon.co.uk/clx/simple/examples.html and the above was an example of ragged-right failing on sbcl 16:21:55 dunno what the error exactly is tho.... 16:22:10 there's nobody who can help you with mcclim here 16:23:03 dude just fuck off it's not clx, it's xlib 16:23:03 anyway, good luck / have fun for now.. I hope to find some more time for it later as well. Bye 16:23:25 wbooze: with such attitude, especially 16:23:31 don't answer me everytime your made up answer of mcclim here 16:23:31 cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 16:23:39 Fare [fare@nat/google/x-aomcdazzzscpvxom] has joined #lisp 16:23:43 -!- Hydan [~hydan@ip-89-103-110-116.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:00 yes mcclim is xlib related too, but this example uses bare lib 16:24:05 err xlib* 16:24:18 not thru mcclim 16:24:25 you're not asking any questions, you're just rambling about your problems, can you do it in your own twitter or somewhere else? 16:25:10 i did paste exactly two links, one showing the debug output for the error the other saying where the example stems from and it's name 16:25:36 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-vdnbpmzswvgcwftt] has joined #lisp 16:25:50 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:25:58 there's nothing to ask other then "does anyone have an idea what maybe is going wrong here...." 16:26:27 and that's almost implicit.... if i had a more specific question i'd state it here 16:26:57 <|3b|> did you try reading the errors and looking at the code? 16:27:19 yes 16:28:25 <|3b|> so you saw where it failed, an verified you get a :configure-notify event before :exposure? 16:28:32 i tried completing the fontname for just lucida to lucidatypewriter, no change, changed like said on that link page to use ...(xlib:gcontext-font grakon).. in some of the calls (replaced them there) no change 16:28:34 -!- notori0us is now known as GNUtori0us 16:28:45 and even added the font variable in the let body.....with no change.... 16:28:56 just throwing some code (to a piece of software which not many people are using) and an error message, is not going to get you very far 16:29:01 <|3b|> why would you expect those to affect the > call that is failing? 16:30:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:30:14 cause those ones are the ones the author had problems with...too ? 16:30:20 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:31:07 *|3b|* usually tries to figure out which problem i'm having and fix that rather than try to fix problems someone else has or had at some point 16:31:20 so obvious step do them correct first, but no change....and no hint either....which lets me with not much then throwig some code and and error message....if it gets me far or not that's another matter.... 16:32:00 PuercoPop [~user@190.222.252.106] has joined #lisp 16:32:09 email the author 16:32:10 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:32:26 if i call the same code from the sb-repl the same error (not thru mcclim listener).... 16:32:49 <|3b|> what part of a stack trace is 'no hint'? 16:33:02 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 16:33:10 -!- yacks [~py@180.151.36.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:33:14 http://www.cawtech.freeserve.co.uk/email-addr.2.html 16:33:26 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 16:33:38 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 16:35:29 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:38:13 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 16:38:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 16:38:14 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 16:39:12 easye` [~user@50-192-159-219-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:40:20 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:40:26 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 16:40:35 stassats: thanks for the email address tho 16:41:45 -!- bioevolgenec [~bioevolge@unaffiliated/bioevolgenec] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:41:49 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:09 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-38.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:35 spacefrogg_ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has joined #lisp 16:43:26 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-38.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:43:31 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 16:43:37 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 16:46:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:47:04 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:49:23 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-183.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:49:51 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-212.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:50:05 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 16:50:07 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - 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http://znc.in] 18:10:00 Joreji [~thomas@68-094.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:12:00 nha [~prefect@65.172.24.27] has joined #lisp 18:14:49 ehaliewicz [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:14:53 redline6561 [~redline65@li69-162.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:15:21 -!- pib1956 [~pib1956@your.friendly.media.team.coder.ark-cr.info] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:44 Ener2 [~enerccio@158.194.169.56] has joined #lisp 18:15:55 how would I load a lisp file into list? 18:16:07 ie reader without any reader macros etc 18:16:29 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 18:16:38 without reader macros? 18:16:40 fisxoj_ [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:45 basically, I want to read whole lisp file, do some "macro" work with it and then output it as another lisp file 18:17:01 most Lisp syntax is reader macros, including (), "", etc. 18:17:14 yeah I kinda figured that out 18:17:26 so if you really want to get rid of macros, write your own parser. It's trivial to parse lisp, anyway. 18:17:32 and that way, you can even preserve the formatting. 18:17:32 Ener2: the short answer is "it can't be done" 18:17:37 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:17:45 H4ns: alright, I guess 18:17:56 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.250] has joined #lisp 18:17:57 Ener2: and pjb's answer is "you just need to use a better reader, here is mine" 18:18:07 Ener2: is there a reason you don't want CL to do the preprocessing? 18:18:16 H4ns: "btw it's GPL. SURPRISE!" 18:18:30 there will be two lisps doing with that file 18:18:44 one is normal lisp, other will be mine which will need the stuff "precompiled" 18:19:15 basically, I want to add new macro that will call gcc and compile the code in it on the fly and inserts the binary in vector in palce of the riginal c code 18:19:41 just write your own reader. 18:20:06 -!- MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:20:15 (inlinefunction someargs "void foo(int i){ return i * i; }") would turn into (compiledfunction somargs #(55 141 ... etc)) 18:20:15 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:20:33 I suppose I will have to 18:20:40 Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192006.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:16 this reminds me of Greenspun's tenth rule, for some reason 18:21:30 the what? 18:21:31 Ener2: it is not too hard, unless you want to implement a common lisp reader 18:21:46 H4ns: well I only need symbol, string and list reader 18:21:54 -!- Knirr [~Knirr@c-da4ae555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun's_tenth_rule 18:21:55 with symbol being everything else 18:22:04 Knirr [~Knirr@c-da4ae555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:22:58 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@123.20.24.160] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:43 hmm now the question is, what is whitespace for cl, only space or end line? 18:26:21 Xach: lispdoc.com broken? 18:26:37 Ener2: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/26_glo_w.htm 18:26:39 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:26:53 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 18:29:42 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:29:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@68-094.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:30:54 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:31 Ener2: which read-ermacros are the issue? 18:36:03 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37:05 jasom: well any that evaluates code, or do the features 18:37:18 habva2013 [~habva2013@ti0125a380-0772.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 18:37:18 easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has joined #lisp 18:39:34 Ener2: yeah, not really doable using the lisp reader. 18:40:14 Ener2: but I don't see why you need to process it twice in order call gcc and compile the code on the fly 18:40:29 its two different lisps 18:40:47 second one will not have any access to gcc 18:40:54 clhs *read-eval* 18:40:54 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_rd_eva.htm 18:41:10 Bike: that doesn't solve #+ and #- 18:41:25 no, but it's close 18:41:35 you could make a new readtable without those, if you really wanted to 18:41:48 but what about symbols? 18:41:59 foo::bar will be come bar in package foo after read 18:42:03 Yeah, rewriting the entire readtable to load those in as part of the tree-structure might be the best way to do it 18:42:20 Ener2: that's not a read-macro, that's interning 18:42:29 but isnt that during the read? 18:42:34 Ener2: yeah 18:42:48 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:48 Ener2: the usual solution to that is to write out the code with all the symbols fully qualified 18:44:30 -!- Sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 18:46:19 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:48:41 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.250] has joined #lisp 18:51:23 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:52:40 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:53:35 archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 18:54:02 -!- amal [amal@unaffiliated/amal] has left #lisp 18:54:53 -!- Ener2 [~enerccio@158.194.169.56] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:06 <|3b|> heh, into top 10 in c-o-m :p 18:55:41 <|3b|> yay for luck 18:56:08 what is c-o-m ? 18:56:26 <|3b|> https://www.hackerrank.com/monthly/challenges/click-o-mania 18:56:53 <|3b|> which is to write a program to play something like http://games.bugaco.com/games/clickomania/ 19:01:56 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@isr-dhcp-35.isr.uc.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:13 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:05:34 *|3b|* wonders if i should try to make it smarter or just throw some more brute-force at it in hopes of getting the last few pints by luck 19:05:46 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-vdnbpmzswvgcwftt] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:06:27 *|3b|* supposes brute-force is easier so might as well try that first 19:09:38 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:09:56 and cl.net is on its knees 19:10:07 real-trac.fcgi viewvc.cgi 19:10:10 ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:10:42 <|3b|> probably missing from robots.txt again 19:10:58 <|3b|> or no robots.txt at all :/ 19:11:10 it's like, all the things that were made on the old systems, are now to be remade again 19:11:16 what a clusterfuck 19:12:29 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:14 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:43 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:15:02 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:15:09 miql [~androirc@32.157.85.218] has joined #lisp 19:16:35 so my ice-cream-parlor is giving a "wrong answer" despite being a naive brute-force solution 19:16:55 you can't choose a single-element block 19:17:24 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:17:36 <|3b|> make sure you don't return the same index twice 19:17:56 ah, I had a typo in the event that the first match wasn't the first element 19:18:01 +1 instead of 1+ 19:18:12 <|3b|> or that :p 19:18:44 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 19:18:55 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kkvdipytclmcmkga] has joined #lisp 19:19:27 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@089144192006.atnat0001.highway.a1.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:20:55 -!- Ralt [Ralt@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:6c69] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:21:04 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:12 -!- davazp [~user@178.167.173.80.threembb.ie] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:12 anyone was in the Google Code Jam? 19:22:55 Ralt [Ralt@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:6c69] has joined #lisp 19:24:45 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:22 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:25:59 *stassats* thought about using the following data-structure for this pesky click-o-mania: each color represented by a different table, the table is an array of 20-bit integers, set bits indicating occupied squares, move can then be represented with shifts and masks 19:26:06 i'm too lazy to write it 19:26:16 -!- Thra11 [~Thra11@87.114.143.175] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 19:26:26 <|3b|> hmm, more brute force didn't seem to help, dropped back to 25 points :( 19:26:35 <|3b|> yeah, was thinking about something similar 19:27:11 do you use backtracking? by copying the grid? 19:27:12 -!- Guest64704 [~on@139.Red-81-38-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:27:59 *stassats* has an efficient array copying routine for SBCL 19:28:46 <|3b|> i don't really do much 'smart' yet, basically just makes a new array for the rsults of a move, then uses that for the next move and so on recursively 19:28:51 http://paste.lisp.org/display/136734 19:28:58 How big of a search-tree fan-out are you seeing? A good heuristic is # of blocks minus all of the currently grouped blocks 19:29:43 unless you're using fixnums, that's much faster 19:29:58 *|3b|* also thought about doing a separate array for each column, so it could share columns that didn't change 19:30:10 <|3b|> (or separate # or whatever) 19:30:33 and to represent individual squares, i changed from using a structure, to using a fixnum, for x, y and color 19:30:57 for assembling blocks 19:31:25 making moves and finding blocks is the bottleneck 19:32:35 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-183-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 19:32:36 using fixnums is nice, since you don't need explicit copying 19:34:21 -!- sellout [~Adium@70.96.9.235] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:35:04 *|3b|* wonders if it would help if i submitted a version with the correct timeout instead of the 'interactive testing' timeout :p 19:35:57 *stassats* haven't come up with a good scoring strategy to give at least something in case of a time out 19:36:07 except for: does it empty the board at the end 19:36:33 *|3b|* just stores the set of moves with least pieces when it runs out of moves, then returns that on timeout 19:36:54 <|3b|> (obviously actually clearing the board gets returned directly) 19:37:27 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-kkvdipytclmcmkga] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:38:01 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-128-221.w92-156.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 19:38:02 maybe we should all come to #lisp-challenge-craze, or something 19:39:08 <|3b|> well, seems to at least be thinking longer this time 19:39:34 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:39:50 <|3b|> and possibly not as long as if it didn't find a solution, which is a good sign 19:40:55 <|3b|> nope, still only 0.01 on the hard ones :( 19:42:28 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:43:39 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:32 ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-146-109.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 19:44:35 -!- Flame_Alchemist [~Flame_Alc@2-225-106-57.ip175.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:12 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:49:27 antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-pwctrvardkxzcifn] has joined #lisp 19:51:10 Joreji [~thomas@66-041.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:52:20 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:56:37 hey 19:57:14 I heard about a competition of Lisp projects 19:57:19 does anyone have a link? 19:57:40 http://lispinsmallprojects.org/ 19:57:47 -!- drmeiste_ [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:34 with a jab to prolog in the rules 19:58:46 -!- xani [~user@178.183.157.196.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:51 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:18 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:04:01 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p549C5E75.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:21 -!- miql [~androirc@32.157.85.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:06:43 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:08:12 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-229-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 20:08:31 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:32 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has joined #lisp 20:09:08 DEFSTRUCT question: the spec says what happens when DEFSTRUCT appears as a top level form. What happens if it appears as a NOT-top level form? 20:09:34 how to set emacs with syntax hight light support using slime? 20:09:57 CrazyWoods: this should be enabled by default 20:10:07 stassats: no 20:10:13 rpg: no (guaranteed) compile-time side effects, i guess 20:10:27 rpg: iirc that'll destroy optimization in sbcl at least 20:11:10 I think the person who wrote the code I am looking at believes that it will provide some lexical scoping on the names..... 20:11:31 stassats: i using SBCL and Slime with emacs but when i change slime mode, there is no syntax hight light 20:12:04 rpg: what code? 20:12:23 I'm looking at a bit of code that has a defstruct form inside a defun. 20:12:48 that'll redefine the struct class every time the function is run... 20:15:06 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:16 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:33 boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:17:54 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:18:23 -!- CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:37 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:19:46 and the repl are likely capital, any idea? 20:20:22 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has joined #lisp 20:20:24 what do you mean "change slime mode"? 20:20:31 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:21:31 stassats: no in the REPL mode i type (cons 'a 'b) will return (A . B) no (a . b) 20:21:48 that is correct 20:21:50 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-229-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:03 CampinSam [~CampinSam@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:26:04 Kruppe [~user@j2petkovich.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 20:26:34 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:35 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002523.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:27:55 pib1963 [pib1963@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:bb80] has joined #lisp 20:30:47 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:53 -!- antgreen [green@nat/redhat/x-pwctrvardkxzcifn] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:12 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.229.94] has joined #lisp 20:34:29 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:11 stassats: correct? 20:35:29 indeed 20:35:34 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.104.17] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:37 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-34-189.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:30 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-241.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:36:31 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 20:37:12 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:39:11 youlysses [~jsgrant@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:40:26 -!- ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:56 -!- CrazyWoods [~nowolfer@120.42.90.54] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:41:16 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:43:28 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@108.Red-88-23-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:43:39 in this macro (defmacro test (n) `(macrolet ((test () `(* ,,n 5))) (test))) i can call it in REPL, but i cant call it withing a function, what am i doing wrong? 20:43:52 within* 20:44:21 why do you use the same names? 20:44:42 oh it was %test, i forgot to change 20:44:56 -!- enymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:45:10 what do you mean, can't call? macros can't be called 20:45:39 on [~on@176.Red-88-26-50.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:42 -!- on is now known as Guest90401 20:46:03 -!- habva2013 [~habva2013@ti0125a380-0772.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:46:23 well you can do (%test 5) 20:46:24 -!- archonix [~none@78.90.30.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:38 CrazyEddy: notice that even if it returns (A . B), it can still print (a . b) if you (setf *print-case* :downcase) 20:47:16 stassats: should i say "evaluate"? 20:47:40 you can just say "use", but it's "expand" 20:47:48 so, what do you mean by that can't? 20:47:53 is there an error message? 20:48:05 abeaumont [~abeaumont@108.Red-88-23-188.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:35 I'm going to guess that nan_ wants ,',n. 20:48:39 are you using variables? 20:49:11 yes error message says the variable not found, say when i call (defun fn (n) (%test n)) 20:49:23 enymo [~user@67.137.177.90] has joined #lisp 20:49:28 "the consequences are undefined if the local macro definitions reference any local variable or function bindings that are visible in that lexical environment." 20:49:30 i can't even compile when it has a lexial variable 20:49:41 Even named test, I can use it in a function as well as in the toplevel. 20:49:53 in ccl. 20:50:13 nan_: how do you expect it to know the value of n at macroexpansion time? 20:50:14 But then of course, I'm calling it with a literal number. 20:51:04 stassats: there are two commas. 20:51:44 preyalone [~preyalone@SSID-MASON-SECURE-211.wireless.gmu.edu] has joined #lisp 20:52:03 pjb: and? 20:52:16 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p549C5E75.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:52:18 I'm trying to use lparallel, but it says "There is no thread support in this instance". 20:52:32 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:36 nan_: you see, without a comment giving the specifications of your test macro, we can only infer its pre-condition from the code you wrote. Since you wrote ,,n, I infered I had to give it a literal value. In this case, no problem. 20:53:08 preyalone: compile your "instance" with threads 20:53:20 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 20:53:21 it should have been ,',n yes. this was a reduced test case for a big macro and i am sure i tried ,',n million times with ,,n. let me check :) 20:53:29 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.250] has joined #lisp 20:53:36 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abny54.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:53:43 stassats: I'm using clisp. What's the status of clisp thread support? 20:53:58 nan_: if you want to call it with an expression, you need indeed ,', 20:54:06 preyalone: they label it as experimental 20:54:31 nan_: without a specification any random form is always CORRECT! 20:54:43 Even if its only purpose is to signal an error. 20:54:59 stassats: Ah, thanks. 20:55:19 Which CL implementations have the best thread support? 20:55:41 sbcl, clozure cl 20:55:42 preyalone: I've seen a report that it was the best thread implementation to run stumpwm or something! 20:55:54 pjb: i need to use ,', for that example yet the original form i preperad this test for still won't work. i'll try to reduce it somehow just a minute 20:56:30 because stumpwm does not use threads? 20:56:33 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abok239.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:56:37 nan_: I don't know if you need to use ,',!!! You didn't give any specification. For me, ie to use it as (test 4), it works perfectly with ,,n 20:56:52 stassats: it does. 20:57:09 since when? 20:57:34 i don't think it does 20:57:40 ebobby [~fms@199.21.86.106] has joined #lisp 20:57:51 it often comes up because people connect to it with slime, and well, if you have the wrong communication style... 20:58:03 z_axis@163.com wrote on Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:43:21 +0800 that "CLISP-threaded is the best implementation to build stumpwm" on clisp-list@lists.sourceforge.net 20:58:03 20:58:46 pjb: can you compile clisp head? with the "linux" module? 21:00:20 right, let's use random strangers sayings as advice 21:01:56 Fare: you can. 21:02:17 Fare: nowdays, modules are always dynamic, so you need (require "linux") to load and use it. 21:02:38 There's no -Kfull anymore. 21:03:02 stassats: I cite my sources, you can ask him! :-) 21:03:18 "Hey Random Stranger! What about clisp threads?" 21:03:36 s/he didn't even say that stumpwm needed the threads 21:03:42 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.241.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:04:11 and running stumpwm in a thread is not really a great showing 21:04:52 Well, if anything's wrong with clisp threads, I suppose you've filled bug reports, so it won't stay wrong long. 21:05:06 was there a clisp git repository somewhere ? 21:06:11 AntiSpamMeta_ [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 21:06:11 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Killed (zelazny.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 21:06:11 -!- AntiSpamMeta_ is now known as AntiSpamMeta 21:06:30 Is there a Scheme equivalent package for lparallel? 21:06:46 #scheme is that way 21:07:05 fe[nl]ix: There's a mercurial one: http://sourceforge.net/scm/?type=hg&group_id=1355 21:07:13 -!- pegu [~user@cF469BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:20 pegu [~user@cF469BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has 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Do you know how to add an arbitrary property (which is not predefined by defclass) to an object? I have objects which I do not control. I am trying to avoid using external hash because of bookkeeping issues... 22:34:53 davazp [~user@178.167.170.27.threembb.ie] has joined #lisp 22:35:22 standard-classes don't work like that. 22:35:45 touch luck then 22:38:10 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:45 use your own class 22:39:23 I do not control the creation of the objects 22:39:35 clhs change-class 22:39:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_chg_cl.htm 22:39:55 <|3b|> weak hash tables might simplify the bookkeeping 22:41:13 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has joined #lisp 22:42:29 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:42:30 walter|r [~walter@ip-64-134-101-130.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:46 -!- walter [~walter@ip-64-134-101-130.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:19 we have high load, weak hash table might became problematic.. 22:45:29 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:45:37 change class works! thanks stassats 22:45:47 change-class might be quite slow 22:46:00 you have high load and you can't modify some third-party code? 22:46:21 it is LW SQL package 22:47:06 technically we can but it is expensive for such minor issue 22:48:41 actually, even weak table will work since we recycle connections.. sorry, I am quite stupid today - too early for me 22:50:21 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-34-189.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:01 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:52:08 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-70.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:52:34 boogie [~boogie@wsip-184-177-188-2.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:53:17 dan_s28 [43bf62cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.191.98.207] has joined #lisp 22:56:44 tensorpuddin [~tensorpud@99.23.125.162] has joined #lisp 22:57:58 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:58:27 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:58:34 -!- t-recx [~t-recx@78.130.45.220.rev.optimus.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:33 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.23.126.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:59:37 -!- tensorpuddin is now known as tensorpudding 23:00:02 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@67.23.204.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:00:48 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-155-38.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:02:05 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:08 -!- dan_s28 [43bf62cf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.191.98.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:35 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:33 Night 23:11:34 -!- ejbs [~user@h-240-50.a176.priv.bahnhof.se] has left #lisp 23:16:22 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abny54.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 23:22:35 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. 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