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[Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:22 what happened to cl.net again? 09:33:20 The RSA host key for common-lisp.net has changed 09:34:20 weirdo [sthalik@kronstadt.misaki.pl] has joined #lisp 09:34:21 hey 09:34:26 but git does not work 09:34:35 is it hard to get commonqt to work on windows? 09:34:56 it talks about some smoke libraries 09:34:58 not if you have all the build tools 09:35:14 i've just installed vs2008, but i have qt 4.8, and no smoke libs 09:36:15 you'd need mingw 09:36:33 -!- myk267 [~myk@adsl-75-23-132-24.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Ack! Hans, run! It's the lhurgoyf!] 09:37:44 ok 09:37:55 so compile qt with mingw? btw i'm using ccl 09:38:19 figure it out yourself, i can't help you 09:38:37 ok 09:39:13 -!- splittist [bc3f1563@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.63.21.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:39:25 and now cl.net doesn't recognize my ssh key, fascinating 09:39:52 arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-046-005-061-181.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:40:32 Hi Lispers! I have a question about arrays and classes. Is it possible to make some own class of mine behave like an array, or for example a (simple-array double-float (3)) ? 09:40:51 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:40:56 aajmakin: no 09:40:56 aajmakin: no 09:41:12 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has joined #lisp 09:41:15 it's possible with structures 09:41:40 but what do you really want to do? 09:41:51 hmm 09:42:30 I want to have some object that have some additional information and to be able to use functions that I have made for arrays 09:43:20 store an array in a slot 09:43:41 The operations on the array would be some linear algebra, so aref and array-dimension functions are used 09:44:06 <|3b|> if you can't change those functions and they don't replace the arrays with other arrays, you could track the extra info in a (possibly weak) hash table 09:44:07 use an EQ weak hash table to store the additional information 09:45:21 aajmakin, what data you need? isn't ARRAY-DIMENSIONS and the like enough? 09:45:50 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:47:15 For example, I have an image class, that has a small set of 2dpoints in it. I would like to have a pointer from the 2dpoint to the image aswell. 09:48:00 why do you need that? 09:48:01 aajmakin: don't represent your 2dpoint as array, but as clos object instance. 09:49:19 I may have to do that. Will need a lot of refactoring though 09:49:36 Is there some overhead of wrapping the array in a slot? 09:49:52 aajmakin: of course, there will be an extra indirection 09:49:53 there's, but you shouldn't worry about it 09:51:05 I'm pretty sure H4ns was suggesting a class with two slots for the coordinates, and whatever else you need. 09:51:12 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:51:31 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has joined #lisp 09:54:14 Ok. Thanks for helping! I'll have to think about what to do. Probably making a matrix class will be the way to go. 09:56:48 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.161.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:58:43 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 09:59:00 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.181.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:59:21 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.134.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 09:59:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:01:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:04:59 I have really been liking lisp btw! :) It's the first time I have been programming for fun :) Started a few months ago 10:09:20 -!- xorp [~xorp@ec2-50-16-219-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:16:01 xorp [~xorp@ec2-50-16-219-79.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 10:16:07 ncw [~ncw@212.44.61.138.ip.redstone-isp.net] has joined #lisp 10:16:37 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 10:17:25 dsadsdasd [~Adium@93.152.149.84] has joined #lisp 10:17:49 wg1024 [~wg1024@dslb-084-058-046-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 10:19:51 -!- wg1024 [~wg1024@dslb-084-058-046-077.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:20:32 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:22:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:24:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:26:09 -!- dsadsdasd [~Adium@93.152.149.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31:54 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-185-51.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:34:20 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 10:36:39 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-84-63.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 10:38:07 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 10:38:20 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:07 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:41:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:47:20 -!- prip [~foo@host135-131-dynamic.43-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:50 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:49:34 stassats: last night drewc said common-lisp.net migrated servers, that it will probably be up/down this weekend while he gets things working, and that at least last night he was going to be in #common-lisp.net while he worked on it. 10:50:17 Vivitron: thanks 10:51:44 -!- ncw [~ncw@212.44.61.138.ip.redstone-isp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:53 <_8david`> weirdo, stassats: Last time I checked, Visual Studio (not MinGW) was the toolchain of choice when building kdebindings & commonqt on Windows. 10:53:22 on [~on@91.Red-83-43-31.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:53:28 <_8david`> To build kdebindings, you will also need cmake. 10:53:37 a pain either way, i can imagine 10:53:45 -!- on is now known as Guest51210 10:54:20 <_8david`> I'd point you to a zip a made once upon a time that has everything needed to run a matching CommonQt, but I think it's on common-lisp.net, hence currently inaccessible. Besides, it would be nice to update it. 10:55:44 <_8david`> The possibly painful part is really only that kdebindings has/had build-time bugs on Windows more often than not. But those are kdebindings bugs, so if it even still happens, there are people to whom one can report them. 10:55:49 well, a long term plan is: make releases of commonqt, put libraries for those releases for all the platforms 10:56:05 AeroNotix [~xeno@aboh186.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:57:02 and i keep wanting to rewrite smoke in CL 10:57:39 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has joined #lisp 10:57:45 prxq__ [~mommer@mnhm-5f75fa87.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:07 smokegen, rather 10:58:40 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:59:04 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has joined #lisp 10:59:37 prip [~foo@host93-128-dynamic.49-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:00:24 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:48 -!- prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d011468.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:00:48 PixelCrumbs [~pixelcrum@unaffiliated/pixelcrumbs] has joined #lisp 11:03:13 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quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:13:53 when are we planning to release 1.2? 14:14:09 Yes, I would like to release 1.2 some time soon. 14:14:11 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:14:17 ok 14:14:25 it has too many improvements over 1.1 to go sift and backport fixes, I think. 14:14:39 I'll sit in a project review meeting in Brussels for 3 days next week, should have plenty of hacking time ;) 14:14:52 lol 14:15:08 does it work that way 14:15:14 always? 14:15:31 if you're not coordinator or reviewer, mostly yes 14:16:05 easye seems to have had some of his most productive development periods in those times as well. 14:16:44 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:22 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:28 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:33 ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-150-188.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:41 rudi: are there things you would want to have in before we go with 1.2? 14:20:18 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 14:20:23 nothing comes to mind, except the accidental fix. I think we have 1 ansi-test regression, that should be checked 14:20:44 also it would be nice if "ant test.abcl" had no unexpected failures :) 14:21:05 agreed. 14:21:12 -!- dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:21:51 so, we're looking at fixing my f-s-o fix, the ansi-regression and any private testset regressions. 14:21:56 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:00 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 14:22:18 yes 14:22:31 it shouldn't be too hard to identify those and list them to be checked. 14:22:34 and waiting for svn to come back online 14:22:58 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 14:23:18 yea. that's really a problematic issue. 14:23:40 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has joined #lisp 14:23:47 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:24:10 I can continue here - all hail git-svn ;) 14:24:40 yea. easye replicates to hg. that helps as well. I have always worked directly against the main repository. 14:26:02 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:26:16 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:26:19 With the imminent death of Google Reader, I've added an RSS feed aggregator to Lisplog, my blogging software. I've started a list of Lisp feeds. Comment on this post to recommend more: http://blog.quicklisp.org/2013/04/updates-coming-soon.html . The aggregator is at https://lisplog.org/aggregator/ 14:26:30 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:26:34 Sorry wrong link 14:26:36 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:26:41 https://lisplog.org/lisp_news_aggregator.html 14:27:18 dented42 [~dented42@opengroove.org] has joined #lisp 14:27:20 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:27:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:28:36 heh 14:29:29 You, Xach, were at the top of the aggregator page, and I snarfed that link 14:30:05 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:29 ok. drew moved everything to the new Amsterdam based server. 14:31:55 (according to the dns) 14:32:01 so, this must be migration fall-out 14:32:46 wow. 14:32:52 even my ssh key doesn't work. 14:33:08 -!- breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-173-79.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:33:14 Corvidium [~cosman246@24.56.241.224] has joined #lisp 14:34:01 wilbeibi [~wilbeibi@61.150.43.100] has joined #lisp 14:36:27 -!- wilbeibi [~wilbeibi@61.150.43.100] has left #lisp 14:37:32 ellusioner [ellusioner@c-227-216.eduroam.liu.se] has joined #lisp 14:41:25 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.134.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:47:03 *rudi* follows sbcl's lead and makes abcl's funcallable-standard-object's metaclass funcallable-standard-class 14:49:07 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.36.42] has joined #lisp 14:50:12 dioxriane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 14:51:20 -!- Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:51:38 Saturn_ [~rose@113.14.39.253] has joined #lisp 14:53:00 -!- dioxirane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:54:04 style question: (error "An error has occured.") or (error "An error has occurred") ? 14:55:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:56:13 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 14:56:29 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:44 -!- CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:57:32 with the dot 14:57:38 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:57:42 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:36 spelled properly 14:59:16 yeah, that too. 14:59:30 I was mostly wondering about the dot. 14:59:50 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:01:20 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:54 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:05 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 15:02:29 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:02:29 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest77403 15:02:35 zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has joined #lisp 15:04:15 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-173-59-25-70.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:23 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:06:35 rudi: yes, with the dot. It is important, since otherwise, there may be some other output following that would change the meaning. 15:06:48 -!- Guest77403 [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:06:54 Unfortunately, in emacs, they don't want the dot. :-( They are really strange, emacs-lispers 15:07:05 bolcselo [~x@pool-108-45-77-30.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:15 I think I picked up my dot-doubt from them, yes 15:07:16 -!- joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:01 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:08:03 pjb, i'd shove the dot down their collective throat 15:08:08 so weird thing: for some reason whenever i see 'perl' i think 'lisp' 15:08:09 :-) 15:08:19 i was planning on learning lisp so i put this in my autojoin 15:08:25 but i had actually put in perl 15:08:30 so for the last month... 15:08:33 joe9 [~user@c-71-236-20-61.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:35 bolcselo: perl | lisp they're about mirror images. 15:08:49 risupu no parenthesusu 15:08:58 qerl woud be closer. 15:09:19 q2il 15:10:27 suiskyz [ofuziu@69.41.182.137] has joined #lisp 15:10:48 Wassup 15:11:00 -!- suiskyz [ofuziu@69.41.182.137] has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:11:32 -!- Keshi is now known as Keshi` 15:11:41 -!- Keshi` is now known as Keshi_ 15:11:51 -!- Keshi_ is now known as Keshi^ 15:11:58 -!- Keshi^ is now known as Keshi 15:12:04 erikc [~erikc@CPE00222d53fe78-CM00222d53fe75.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 15:12:26 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.1.234] has joined #lisp 15:13:02 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:14:49 dioxirane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 15:15:57 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@109.120.36.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:16:00 *rudi* dots some error messages 15:16:05 -!- patric [~patric@m37-197-16-251.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:16:43 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 15:18:12 -!- dioxriane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:18:12 -!- honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has quit [] 15:21:53 billstclair: sorry, but maybe would be better remove "/-/en" from "http://lisp-univ-etc.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/en" in http://lisplog.org/rss.xml . Anyway good work . Thx for the interesting feeds! 15:22:55 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 15:23:01 dioxirane: you want to see the Ukranian language posts? 15:23:07 Or you don't tag them any more 15:23:07 ? 15:24:13 I just used the link in the "Feeds" section in the right column of the blog 15:25:10 -!- ellusioner [ellusioner@c-227-216.eduroam.liu.se] has quit [Quit: Hihi] 15:25:30 billstclair: the github lisp project feed is fun 15:25:31 I'm outa here. 15:25:47 how noisy is it? 15:26:02 hmm, 2-10 items a day 15:26:04 billstclair: don't pay attention to dioxirane 15:26:23 "I am Oz, the great and powerful!" 15:26:45 doesn't sound too bad, Xach. I'll look at it 15:27:27 stassats`: did dioxirane have a different nickname in the past? 15:28:04 Xach: pnpuff or something like that 15:28:47 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30:13 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.234.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:30:58 -!- hpd [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:31:09 tsetumel [~shimoco@bzq-109-65-115-103.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 15:31:17 -!- varjag_ [uid4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fnxqcasepuwigzjn] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:31:58 Xach: I'm not finding a lisp project feed on github 15:32:03 billstclair: ok, I'm sorry. It was only an akregator problem. I was unable to add the feed. Now it works. 15:32:14 k 15:32:24 I wasn't interested in cyrillic posts 15:33:41 Xach: there is maybe any troubles with my nicks? 15:33:48 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 15:34:18 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.65.115.103] has joined #lisp 15:37:41 -!- tsetumel [~shimoco@bzq-109-65-115-103.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:39:42 dioxriane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 15:39:44 spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 -!- dioxirane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:42:55 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:44:48 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.209.196.13.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 15:45:28 stassats`: so you rememeber my old nick... wow. 15:45:41 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:46:10 stassats`: what is your problem? 15:46:23 you 15:46:24 -!- cades [~mac@host-61-70-191-50.static.kbtelecom.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:46:53 sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 15:48:32 stassats`: you're my solution. 15:49:29 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 15:50:05 billstclair: http://planet.lisp.org/github.atom 15:50:10 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:50:26 dioxriane: You have a pattern of rambly nonsense that seemed vaguely familiar. 15:52:30 interestingly, for i to 5000000 is faster in sbcl than repeat 5000000 15:52:34 s/to/below/ 15:53:05 (because the counter is declared as integer in repeat 5000000 case) 15:54:21 no, not really because of in for i to 5000000 the type is even worse, (AND NUMBER REAL), but it derives a fixnum type anyway 15:54:33 -!- antoszka_ is now known as antoszka 15:55:35 froydnj had a note on that, iirc. Counting down from 5000000 would work better both for type inference and the final machine code. 15:56:47 for i to 5000000 appears to be a nudge faster than downto, at least for normal declarations 15:57:33 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 15:57:51 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-215-183-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 15:58:39 not that i care about it, just want to drive microoptimization tests with it, and get the least noise from the loop itself 15:59:51 nialo` [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:19 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:02:19 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:03:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:04:16 SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-65-115-103.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:17 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.1.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:21 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:04:42 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.27.106] has joined #lisp 16:04:47 -!- banjiewen [~banjiewen@184.173.74.133-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:04:51 dioxirane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 16:06:50 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:07:37 banjiewen [~banjiewen@184.173.74.133-static.reverse.softlayer.com] has joined #lisp 16:08:00 -!- dioxriane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:08:03 -!- tsetumel_ [~shimoco@109.65.115.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:09:40 -!- dioxirane [~subnormal@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:12 dioxirane [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/dioxirane] has joined #lisp 16:12:24 thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has joined #lisp 16:14:18 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has quit [Client Quit] 16:16:09 thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has joined #lisp 16:16:59 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has quit [Client Quit] 16:17:38 which is bound it to be lost in the noise 16:17:47 err, wrong buffer 16:17:48 thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has joined #lisp 16:19:31 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-208.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:03 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:21:07 corni [~corni@p4FE3849E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:21:08 -!- corni [~corni@p4FE3849E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:21:08 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 16:22:52 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:45 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:28:47 thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has joined #lisp 16:28:53 when I want to perform an operation like:(/ 10.d0 3.d0) in double precision there is not problem. Any suggestion to perform the same operation with a precision of 34 decimal digits? thx. 16:30:17 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has quit [Client Quit] 16:32:21 arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 16:34:15 thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has joined #lisp 16:34:19 tsetumel_ [~shimoco@bzq-109-65-115-103.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 16:35:46 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:35:54 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:36:27 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:39 -!- thomas_yzj [~user@175.8.23.154] has quit [Client Quit] 16:37:42 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:37:58 -!- SKC [~shimoco@bzq-109-65-115-103.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:38:19 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has 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stassats`: I think I'm just confused by the argument order 17:34:26 thanks 17:34:27 set symbol-function of foo to alarm ? 17:34:47 sepi``: new-value first. 17:35:17 -!- dsadsdasd [~Adium@93.152.149.84] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:37:10 Think about (setf (ref array i0 .. in) new-value) Since the arguments to (ref array ) can be in variable numbers, it's easier to put new-value as first argument in (setf ref). 17:37:30 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:37:53 Thra11 [~thrall@92.114.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 17:38:00 I see 17:38:51 Is the order of evaluation specified when I (setf (f1) (f2))? 17:39:24 Yes. (f2) first (f1 new-value) then. 17:39:41 Again, it's consistent: the new value is evaluated first. 17:39:47 pjb: ah, good. 17:39:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:39:51 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:39:52 thanks for your help 17:40:31 it's a b c, then "alarm" 17:40:35 from left to right, as usual 17:42:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 17:43:03 tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:43:28 clhs 5.1.2.9 17:43:34 oh bloody cl.net 17:44:09 sepi``: see http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/05_abi.htm for details 17:45:05 so, the order of evaluation is the following: (setf (some-function 1 2 3) 4) 17:45:36 pr0filer [~pr0filer_@dhcp-077-251-121-095.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 17:45:56 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-171-15-196.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:18 -!- pr0filer [~pr0filer_@dhcp-077-251-121-095.chello.nl] has left #lisp 17:48:33 clariprincess [~princesit@186.89.95.147] has joined #lisp 17:50:08 stassats`: I didn't think about my question a lot. I was actually wondering if some-function might be called before the arguments of setf and some function have been evaluated 17:50:19 but that wouldn't make sense I think 17:51:36 walter [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:53:05 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:53:15 ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-150-188.unity-media.net] has joined #lisp 17:54:12 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:55:35 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:55:36 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:55:47 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 17:57:00 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 17:57:05 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:09 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:14 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 18:03:04 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:54 -!- walter [~walter@c-75-73-211-125.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:06:33 -!- sambio [~sambio@unaffiliated/sambio] has quit [] 18:10:16 sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 18:12:01 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has joined #lisp 18:13:20 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:15:16 -!- GuglielmoS [~guglielmo@ppp-15-123.21-151.libero.it] has quit [Quit: GuglielmoS] 18:18:48 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:18:57 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 18:19:00 -!- clariprincess [~princesit@186.89.95.147] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:23:56 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:26:29 -!- Guest94695 [~on@80.31.89.48] has left #lisp 18:27:41 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:15 tcr1 [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:30:15 -!- tcr [~tcr@46-126-110-164.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:59 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:31:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:32:27 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 18:34:03 sdemarre [~serge@143.184-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:35:27 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.200] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:36:25 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:38:28 pw_ [uid2072@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ycwyagztdwvnhhrg] has joined #lisp 18:40:41 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:57 Hi, git on common-lisp.net down? 18:41:25 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:41:38 yes 18:44:10 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:04 -!- agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:12 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.19] has joined #lisp 18:45:38 k0001_ [~k0001@host144.186-125-147.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:47:10 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47:19 agumonkey [~agu@8.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:47:34 stassats: i'm gettign no output for dirs without a ending slash in cmucl's mcclim..... 18:47:51 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-183-198.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:47:58 like . and .. but i get output as soon as i put a ending slash like ../ or ./ there.... 18:48:02 why are you telling me this? 18:48:43 so the ,Show Directory RET command does not show anything.... 18:48:59 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host45.181-1-162.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:49:07 not the case with sbcl tho 18:49:18 it works in sbcl, so assume it's someting cmucl related.... 18:49:46 przl [~przlrkt@p5B29807A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:49:48 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:49:59 in CL, any path not terminated with #\/ (physical) or #\; (logical) is NOT a directory. 18:50:03 stassats`: i thought maybe you are erm acquainted with many lisp systems ..... 18:50:17 hmmmmm 18:50:24 cf the difference between open(2) and opendir(3) 18:51:14 ok 18:54:31 wbooze: my answer would be "if you use cmucl and your name isn't raymond toy, then you're doing it wrong" 18:55:27 oh, man i forget always to check if rtoy is around.... 18:55:43 wbooze: rtoym 18:55:50 erm yep 18:57:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-237.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:57:43 and my other answer would be "if you're using anything with 'clim' in its name, then you're doing it wrong too" 19:00:40 not there yet to base my own windowing system on top of X or so..... 19:00:45 lol 19:02:12 I'm looking for a format directive that allows me to print all the bits contained in the mantissa of a given long-float number. thx. 19:03:02 clhs i-d-f 19:03:19 I'll let stassats` swear for me. 19:03:23 no working cl.net, no specbot 19:03:35 i could run it locally, but i'm going to sleep soon anyway 19:05:01 -!- RenJuan [~juan@cpe-76-180-168-166.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:23 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:08:37 (bits (float-radix 1.0l0)) ? 19:09:55 -!- spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:10:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:11:57 (format t "~A" (integer-decode-float 1.0l0)) 19:12:40 stassats`: still awake? if you tell me how (or let me give you a login to the new box for now) I/you can start up the bots. 19:13:33 drewc: screen -S bots; then go to ~/lisppaste/new-bots and do ./startup.sh 19:13:54 then do C-a d 19:14:44 k ... does it have to be in ~lisppaste? because on that box it is /tiger/home/lisppaste .. I can of course sym or hardlink it 19:15:12 isn't that the same? 19:15:31 sorry? 19:15:38 stassats`: not necessarily. 19:15:41 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@46.36.172.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:20 there are a number of things the require the PATHNAMES to be correct, so hence my question 19:16:51 oh .. and user, what user should they run as? 19:16:58 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 19:17:04 you should be under lisppaste user, and user-homedir-pathname should point to ~lisppaste 19:17:10 naturally 19:17:48 k makes sense 19:18:58 drewc: did you see edi's problem with the eclm mailing list? would be great if that'd be fixed soon. 19:19:18 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:57 jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has joined #lisp 19:22:36 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:22:46 fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has joined #lisp 19:22:55 H4ns: the mailing thing is on my list .. but since I have never used exim4 or mailman, well... it may take a while. And no, I did not see what the problem is, but given that cl-net MX has been down for 24 hours already that is my first priority. 19:23:38 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:27:33 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b524e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:07 ok, thanks 19:29:26 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:32:20 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 19:33:05 -!- nialo` [~nialo@ool-44c53f01.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 19:33:34 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:38:06 -!- sirdancealo2 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:14 -!- jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:43:04 btw ,Show Directory RET "." or anything within "" does not work, but ,Show Directory RET ./ does work, at least it returns an object named ./ and when i click on it directory contents are shown..... 19:43:17 weird..... 19:43:20 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.32.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:27 jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has joined #lisp 19:45:40 nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b524e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:40 bitonic [~user@176.27.234.82] has joined #lisp 20:01:22 why using this code: #+clisp (setf (ext:long-float-digits) 64) (format nil "~34$" (/ 10.l0 3.l0)) there are only 19 decimal non-zero digits in the result? What I have to do to print the remaining non-zero digits? thx. 20:02:00 -!- bitonic [~user@176.27.234.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:02:35 pnpuff: you have to setf l-f-d before reading that form. 20:03:16 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550e5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:03 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:43 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:06:39 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:10:11 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-161.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:16 pnpuff: (format nil "~34$" (/ 10.l0 3.l0)) --> "3.3333333333333333333000000000000000" 20:10:19 -!- nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:26 What do you mean? 20:10:46 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 20:10:58 -!- Keshi is now known as Keshi` 20:11:33 (/ 64 (/ (log 10) (log 2))) --> 19.26592 ; what more do you want? 20:12:58 pnpuff: what about reading What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19957-01/806-3568/ncg_goldberg.html ? 20:13:53 p_l|omoikane [~pl@81-18-213-39.static.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 20:14:49 pjb: #+clisp (setf (ext:long-float-digits) 64) (format nil "~D" (length (write-to-string (/ 10.l0 3.l0)))) = 23 ==> 19 decimal digits + (1 digit before the decimal point, 1 digit for the decimal point , 2 digits for the string "L0") 20:15:21 -!- ellusioner [ellusioner@c-951ee755.05-23-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Hihi] 20:17:07 what I have to do to print more decimal digits than 19? thx. 20:18:40 sorry ... more non-zero decimal digits than 19... 20:19:06 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 20:22:13 reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-39-187.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:31 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:23:32 banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has joined #lisp 20:24:31 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:24:44 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:24:46 pnpuff: you would have to specify more bits to your long floats. 20:24:56 pnpuff: read the cited paper. 20:25:04 ..but (float-precision (/ 10.l0 3.l0)) = 64 ... so the mantissa has 64 bits. What I have to do to print all the digits contained in the mantissa of a float precision number? Could you give me an example? 20:25:09 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@183.Red-79-157-215.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:25:24 pnpuff: 64 bit = 19 decimal digits. 20:26:19 The ceiling of the logarithm base B of N gives the number of digits needed to write a number N in base B (for N>0). 20:26:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-180-161.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:27:10 (defun log-of-base (n base) (/ (log n) (log base))) 20:27:17 (log-of-base 32 2) --> 5.0 20:27:24 (log-of-base 32 10) --> 1.5051499783199058 20:27:42 (ceiling (log-of-base 32 10)) --> 2 == you need 2 digits to write 32. 20:27:55 -!- Keshi` [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Keshi`] 20:27:59 (ceiling (log-of-base 32 2)) --> 5 == you need 5 bits to write 10000. 20:28:38 So you already have printed all the digits contained in that mantissa. 20:29:00 anonus [~user@citadel.niflheim.info] has joined #lisp 20:30:47 -!- banjara [~Adium@unaffiliated/banjara] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:31:58 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:30 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:36 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 20:34:00 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest19033 20:34:40 -!- Guest19033 is now known as PuercoPop` 20:34:48 -!- PuercoPop` is now known as PuercoPop 20:34:52 -!- jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:35:22 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:38:51 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:39:12 PuercoPo` [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 20:40:26 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:40:27 pjb: wrong. You also need to add one 20:40:48 (log-of-base 32 0) --> not the number of digits you need to write 0 20:41:11 abeaumont [~abeaumont@183.Red-79-157-215.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:43 actually, 0 is a special case 20:41:59 just write zero as the empty string, of course! 20:42:25 That's why I had N>0. 20:42:35 but even (log-of-base 32 1) --> not what you want 20:42:51 Otherwise, you're right, for N=B^p, it's one more digit. 20:43:06 Bases are >1. 20:43:16 sorry, I mean (log-of-base 1 32) 20:43:22 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.64.222.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:43:59 Ok, so I have a off-by-1 error, sorry. 20:44:04 bitonic [~user@176.27.234.82] has joined #lisp 20:44:18 so a better formula is (if (zerop n) 1 (ceiling (log (1+ n) base))) 20:44:35 asdf isn't reading my ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/*.conf, i wonder why.. 20:45:32 zophy: it isn't? what if you (trace asdf::process-source-registry) then (asdf::flatten-source-registry) ? 20:45:49 i'll see 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[~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:54 i want to make a loop to print something fn x times on x lines 21:37:12 sodel [~user@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:54 well, on each line i want it to be double of what it was before. 21:38:05 http://pastebin.com/ZtnLNbwJ 21:38:14 -!- sodel [~user@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 21:38:17 somethine like this but i dont know how to write it correctly 21:38:36 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:41 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:07 http://pastebin.com/BtnDf7Dn 21:39:10 -!- shortcutmedia [~shortcutm@95.111.2.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:39:11 sorry like that 21:39:27 shortcutmedia [~shortcutm@95.111.2.27] has joined #lisp 21:39:46 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:43 (loop for i from min to max by step for z = i then (funcall fn i) do (format t "~V,,,'*<~>~%:" (round (funcall fn z)))) 21:44:05 wow. haha. i wanted to exercise my let and loop and if statement understanding. thanks though 21:44:09 jenia: (if first loop let z eq i, otherwise let z eq (funcall fn i)) <--- if your lisp implementation does not error with improper syntax, well, it must error for the unbound variables! OR: that is not lisp. 21:44:24 tell me one thing please, where can i find some exercises for lisp 21:44:50 loop, let and setq and if and so one exercises 21:45:02 http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~meidanis/courses/mc336/2006s2/funcional/L-99_Ninety-Nine_Lisp_Problems.html 21:45:10 with solutions here https://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/l99/index.html 21:45:28 jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has joined #lisp 21:45:38 nice thanks 21:46:29 -!- ck`` [~user@aftr-37-24-150-188.unity-media.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:17 jenia: also, there are several automatic programming judges proposing a lot of exercises, and a few of them accept solutions in CL. 21:47:35 for example http://www.spoj.com/ 21:49:50 thanks a lot pjb and drewc 21:49:54 Now, those problems are language agnostic, and often don't let lisp shine for what it's good at. Eg. when the problem is to optimize byte I/O, it's not too fun. 21:50:04 But for other problems, it's ok and fun. 21:50:37 -!- gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gendl_] 21:51:01 -!- shortcutmedia [~shortcutm@95.111.2.27] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:18 -!- zophy [ceb02321@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.176.35.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:51:19 shortcutmedia [~shortcutm@95.111.2.27] has joined #lisp 21:53:20 jenia: there is also this : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ . It is a good starter for sure, and has exercises (The first not involving syntax or programming per se at all!) that are quite nice. 21:55:00 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7550e5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:56:23 -!- jenia [~jenia@modemcable058.145-162-184.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:58:34 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-228-33.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:20 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-240-13.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:21 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 22:08:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-201.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 22:08:19 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-4d0b524e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:08:47 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.175.65.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:09:59 -!- jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:04 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-71-163-43-88.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 22:14:49 -!- sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:53 jimmy99 [~bonsai@65.111.78.195] has joined #lisp 22:15:43 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 22:16:27 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:17:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-217.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-201.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:39 gendl_ [~dcooper8@c-98-250-10-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:33 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.19.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:33 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.148.202.144] has joined #lisp 22:35:49 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:41:57 -!- dmh [~pi@71-33-206-25.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42:10 mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.84] has joined #lisp 22:42:40 przl [~przlrkt@p5B29807A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:44:45 -!- Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:55 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p5B29807A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:53:22 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:54:40 jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has joined #lisp 22:55:49 jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has joined #lisp 22:57:29 -!- ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:22 -!- jlf [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/jlf] has left #lisp 22:59:49 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:06 honkfestival [~honkfesti@198-84-183-94.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 23:02:52 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:04:36 `arrdem [~user@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 23:07:21 LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:36 ered [~ered@75-101-56-39.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:15 -!- spacefrogg [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:12:39 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-86-44-72.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:05 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:00 Jubb [~Jubb@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:44 who was doing that cycle-accurate 6502 emulator? 23:24:14 redline? 23:24:45 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:23 just found some weird opcodes that apparently were based around details of how NMOS 6502 cpus were made 23:25:41 Forgetaboutit [~sammy@p4FFA7ED1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:26:12 isn't 6502 infamous for undocumented opcodes? 23:26:54 Bike: that was two of them 23:27:31 well, less undocumented as "quirk that should NOT work", basically causing two registers to be connected to data bus at the same time 23:27:57 hey guys, I'm a CL newbie and I have issues loading a package with asdf/quicklisp I wrote myself 23:29:12 When I load a file, which uses a macro defined in the same file, it sometimes complains that functions used during the macro expansions don't exist; even when they have already been compiled 23:29:36 -!- jaaso [~user@178.239.31.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:41 I'm using SBCL 1.1.4 23:29:48 probably need some eval-when 23:30:07 gotta make sure those functions are defined in the compiler 23:30:12 I saw this macro/function earlier, but what is it good for? 23:30:29 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:30:33 Well, when the compiler processes a file, it doesn't just evaluate the forms. 23:30:48 If it sees (defun foo ...) it doesn't have to actually define FOO, like, until the file is loaded. 23:31:01 (defmacro foo ...) it DOES have to define, since maccros are used during compilation. 23:31:17 Ok, I get that 23:31:20 eval-when just tells the compiler that it needs to do something during compilation it wouldn't by default, like define a function during compilation. 23:31:55 so I'd have to wrap the functions in eval-when 'something, aight? 23:31:56 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-74-96-4-63.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:32:08 the defun forms, yeah. 23:32:12 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 23:32:16 (eval-when (:compile-toplevel ...) (defun ...)) probably. 23:32:21 well, that makes sense 23:32:38 gonna try that :) 23:33:10 Thanks a lot, I was stuck with this issue several times 23:33:59 I always lost interest in CL when my macros stopped working :) 23:36:44 it's working now, thank you very much again! 23:37:05 cool. 23:37:43 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-240-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:15 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-86-44-72.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 23:42:09 Xach: yes log4cl fix should be backward compatible with older SBCL too, let me know if there are problems 23:42:26 *maxm-* is back to using IRC like email, responding 3-4 days later 23:43:06 joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@c-98-208-37-38.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:45:09 -!- tekai [~tekai@g224066010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: zZZ]