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I'm sorry 00:37:55 Suomin: in general # by itself means nothing 00:37:59 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-202-41.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:03 It's a dispatch thing. 00:38:10 Suomin, like I said, think of "#'" as one thing representing "the function", and "#\" as one thing meaning "the character" 00:38:19 #' dispatches to the function macro (and isn't related to the ') and #\ dispatches to the character macro, etc 00:38:31 I gotcha, thank you ! 00:38:45 Qworkescence: I don't know, why do you ask? 00:38:51 jasom, why not! 00:38:59 Qworkescence: b/c I'm always busy 00:39:22 jasom, I like to think any sufficiently motivated person is never busy enough. 00:39:35 95%+ of my time is doing either stuff I'm paid for, or stuff for my family 00:39:39 or sleeping 00:40:00 symbole` [~user@krlh-5f71e672.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:56 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:59 2.5% of my time is exercising and another 1% or so of my time is volunteering with stuff, which leaves me with 1.5% of my time for recreation (including projects) 00:40:59 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:21 jasom, that is a very tough balance, IMO 00:41:40 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:42:29 The nearly 30% of my time sleeping is the real killer, if only I could live without sleeping I could get lots done. And be in a Nancy Kress book. 00:42:45 haha 00:43:44 you could try what erdos did and replace sleep with stimulants 00:43:54 -!- symbole [~user@krlh-4d02b54b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44:11 doesthiswork, and move from mathematician's house to mathematician's house 00:44:36 yeah, if you ditch the work and family you have even more time :) 00:44:49 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-66.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:45:25 does it lower my Erdös number if I buy amphetamines from the same source? 00:45:49 jasom: depends on the number, assuredly. 00:46:08 masondesu [~textual@adsl-98-71-129-117.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 00:46:37 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.32.133] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 00:46:43 pkhuong, you're the other one with whom i need to collaborate sometime. except you too, like everyone else, are too busy with $REAL_LIFE 00:47:28 bitonic`` [~user@027b666c.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:51 Qworkescence: I'm afraid I can only bring someone else's Erdos number to a measly 5 ;) [and not yet, even] 00:49:32 i don't care about erdos #s, i care about the experience! 00:49:45 sbplr [~sbplr@c-67-177-11-244.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:50:11 I wonder what a negative erdos number would represent 00:50:25 -!- bitonic` [~user@027b4ce2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:50:42 cdidd [~cdidd@93-80-133-148.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 00:51:43 doesthiswork, The distance between you and your colleague's contribution to the procreation of Erdos? :) 00:51:48 -!- sbplr [~sbplr@c-67-177-11-244.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:52:34 have you ever tried going back as far as possible in the mathematics genealogy project? it's fun finding all the 13th century theologians. 00:52:50 Qworkescence: I was under the impression that erdos was rather opposed to procreation 00:53:28 Bike, I don't think I've went that far back. I did find interesting lineages between some of the greats (e.g. Gauss) and people today. 00:54:02 rasterbar [~sbplr@c-67-177-11-244.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:24 -!- rasterbar [~sbplr@c-67-177-11-244.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:04 also, just to make sure, are questions like the one I asked ok for this irc? 00:55:21 suomin, sure. 00:55:42 ah thank you, I 00:55:51 I'll always try to look it up myself first, of course 00:56:47 but no one around me is really into lisp at all, and sometimes it gets difficult to understand something just through the internet 00:58:02 natechan [~natechan@c-71-56-124-186.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:00 Well, # by itself, in the default standard readtable, means dispatching reader macro. 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seconds] 04:33:04 huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has joined #lisp 04:38:19 What is a fast way to MAP-INTO a subseq of an array? Any suggestions? (Ideally not a plain ol loop) 04:38:59 Could you use a displaced vector? 04:39:29 I was thinking along those lines 04:39:31 -!- bitonic [~user@b0fb66be.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:40:23 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 04:40:32 Create a displaced array and use MAP-INTO. But I wonder if at that point it's just faster to loop? 04:40:53 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest14684 04:41:44 i would imagine it's faster to loop... 04:44:01 -!- Guest14684 is now known as PuercoPop 04:44:10 But someone told me that the S in SBCL stands for Sufficiently-smart... 04:45:29 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 04:45:57 You could write map-into-with-keyparams, implement it as a loop, and tuck the ideal into a comment 04:49:40 -!- huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:49:46 S0da [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has joined #lisp 04:50:38 -!- S0da [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:58 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:56:40 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host86-171-15-248.range86-171.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:56:43 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.178.220.191] has joined #lisp 04:57:05 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:57:48 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-153-240.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:59:12 -!- youlysse` [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:02:26 huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has joined #lisp 05:04:00 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.93] has joined #lisp 05:04:07 -!- huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has quit [Client Quit] 05:07:02 rmathews_ [~roshan@122.164.66.150] has joined #lisp 05:07:47 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.161.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07:50 -!- rmathews_ is now known as rmathews 05:09:25 Bike: I have very interesting results 05:11:45 oh yes? 05:12:05 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:12:41 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:13:57 Bike: here are the computation variants: https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/src/2164d19ed6a0c5cc0cf94ed304113b13a708cca1/thue-morse.lisp?at=default 05:14:15 And the timings: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135517 05:15:13 displaced, subseq/bit-not, and loop 05:15:18 respectively 05:15:37 ...so displaced is fastest? 05:16:04 yes 05:16:22 drmeiste_ [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:46 huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has joined #lisp 05:17:23 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:18:31 -!- huangjs_ [~huangjs@114.91.239.152] has quit [Client Quit] 05:18:52 rmathews_ [~roshan@122.174.16.31] has joined #lisp 05:19:21 cool. 05:19:28 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.66.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:19:29 -!- rmathews_ is now known as rmathews 05:21:11 Seems like there's probably a better way to compute it though. 05:22:17 I just found a faster way 05:23:21 namely to (concatenate 'bit-vector bits (bit-not bits)) 05:23:40 which I find especially non-intuitive 05:23:52 -!- whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.178.220.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:26:34 archonix_ [~unknown@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 05:26:46 Quadrescence: glancing it looks like concatenate is inlined for speed > space 05:27:09 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.16.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:27:11 no, wait, that's for 'string... 05:27:17 rmathews [~roshan@122.164.67.110] has joined #lisp 05:27:17 I found it interesting that it's faster by 10s but it does double the consing 05:28:34 Here was the change... https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/commits/a6b32ebf8f4a9944dbd0b142f6fd47b0c1b29858 05:30:45 guess you'd have to check the disassembly 05:31:36 I wonder if ADJUST-ARRAY is the culprit 05:31:46 i thought it was just make-array + replace 05:32:32 oh my, it does look pretty involved. 05:36:27 -!- Dalek_Baldwin 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smallest-bla-bla with the other two methods go? 05:58:03 Well the concatenate method doesn't make sense with a single allocation 05:58:26 The other one, not sure yet 06:02:42 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04:50 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 06:06:39 Bike: displacement is within a hundreth of a second 06:06:43 cfy` [~ilisp@220.191.186.26] has joined #lisp 06:06:59 -!- cfy` [~ilisp@220.191.186.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:23 Hee. 06:07:51 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:10:04 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:10:42 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 06:14:25 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:16 -!- akovalen` is now known as akovalenko 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annoying it is to write polynomial code where the polys are represented as arrays for ``efficiency'' 08:37:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-78-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:38:03 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:39:06 jl_ [~jl@g226051170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:39:06 -!- jl_ [~jl@g226051170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:40:26 -!- mau_ [~mau@69.85.85.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:40:48 mau [~mau@69.85.85.150] has joined #lisp 08:41:20 -!- eataix [eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:47:29 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:47:51 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 08:48:31 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:48:59 what size of polynomial is this? 08:50:16 technically any size. i don't really know my problem constraints yet. 08:51:33 is it that annoying? i thought an array of coefficients was the obvious representation, really 08:53:23 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:54:30 Bike: a more convenient way is just a collection (list if you want) of terms 08:54:42 term := (coef exponent) 08:56:17 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.20.24] has joined #lisp 08:56:24 That seems kind of redundant. 09:00:08 why not go fully general and use a hash table in case it is sparse? 09:00:52 A thin layer of abstraction can go a long way. 09:01:17 Bike: it is redundant but it also means you don't have to worry about array lengths, normalization, etc, quite as much 09:01:23 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:03:22 https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/src/2ae13c9bf90e9dc0774c9b2b20059a410be061c9/polynomial.lisp?at=default 09:03:25 pretty sloppy eh 09:05:21 Quadrescence: why do you need to worry about that? just have your layer have enough 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[~zeom@unaffiliated/zeom] has quit [Quit: gone] 11:45:28 stardiviner [~Instantbi@115.237.142.27] has joined #lisp 11:47:03 Is there a good environment to learn Lisp with Emacs under Windows ? I want a simple solution. 11:47:44 stardiviner: emacs + slime + quicklisp + ccl or clisp 11:48:35 so much things to install ? 11:49:30 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 11:49:34 It'll be best, so you get the latest versions. Things move quite a bit, in the quality and ease of use of the tools. 11:49:57 stardiviner: http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-windows/ 11:50:27 -!- cfy` [~ilisp@122.234.236.253] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:08 cfy` [~ilisp@122.234.236.253] has joined #lisp 11:51:16 daimrod: thanks 11:51:28 pjb: thansk 11:52:02 stardiviner: there is lispbox, but it's kind of out of date. But last I checked it worked. 11:52:03 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.208.65.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:52:46 browndawg [~browndawg@117.208.65.149] has joined #lisp 11:52:58 http://common-lisp.net/project/lispbox/ 11:53:27 Last updated: February 6, 2011 11:53:28 pavelpenev: I will check it out, thanks too 11:56:11 agumonkey [~agu@58.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 11:56:24 stardiviner: take a look even at cygwin 11:56:32 skanev [~aquarius@78-83-86-255.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #lisp 11:56:51 pnpuff: cygwn seems too big 11:58:03 stardiviner: but let you play a bit more.. 11:59:05 I use Linux, But my computer is not at my hand, I need to install a temprotery Lisp environment in Windows. 11:59:20 That's why I just want a simple solution. 11:59:29 stardiviner: ok! 11:59:48 -!- newblue [~newblue@119.121.250.228] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:01:27 Fare [~fare@men75-12-88-183-198-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:46 archonix_ [~unknown@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 12:03:43 wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-52-28.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:43 billstcliar [~billstcla@p-69-195-52-28.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 12:05:16 -!- wws [wws@clozure-F8DECDB3.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 12:05:29 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:05:47 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:16 stardiviner: If you have a JVM installed, you can run ABCL via a simple download. 12:06:25 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:06:29 https://code.google.com/p/abcl-dynamic-install/ 12:07:52 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 12:07:56 easye: not installed 12:08:11 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 12:08:36 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-69-195-52-28.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:08:37 Given the number of 0day drivebys in the JVM, that isn't such a bad idea. 12:09:58 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:10:18 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:56 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.27.252.59] has joined #lisp 12:15:17 Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has joined #lisp 12:18:53 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:19:30 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.27.252.59] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 12:20:16 Shouldn't we talk of -X days now? 12:21:27 *easye* has never liked the 0day label. 12:21:55 Out of the blue attack? 12:22:14 What is so wrong with "unpatched exploit"? 12:23:01 There's more information in 0-day. 12:23:41 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.27.252.59] has joined #lisp 12:23:53 Not without a reference to which day is being counted. 12:24:09 All exploits are, at some time, a 0-day, right? 12:24:19 i thought that zero day meant that it was discovered within the last 24 hours .. with an exploit. 12:25:29 easye: nope. it means that it was exploited before it was known by the developer. 12:25:38 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 12:25:49 Some security bugs may be known to the developers before they're exploited (eg. when they're discovered by white hats). 12:26:23 huangjs [~huangjs@199.180.254.36] has joined #lisp 12:26:31 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 12:27:10 pjb: ok. Well, most interesting exploits are previously unknown. 12:28:17 Maybe not: developers seem to be taking security more seriously, probably because mgmt. finally is seeing the reputation cost. 12:28:55 So, 0-day is shorthand for "unpatched previously unknown" 12:29:39 But the "day" part is useless, because by the time people hear about them, usually a day has already passed. 12:30:20 Including the word "day" with a small number or a letter like "D" in a name makes it sound more terrible. 12:30:52 Ask anybody, 0-day exploits are more terrible than 2-day exploits! :-) 12:31:15 Way more... 12:31:25 -!- stardiviner [~Instantbi@115.237.142.27] has quit [Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com] 12:33:16 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-68-37.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:37:36 2 whole days more terrible, I imagine. 12:38:40 1 week exploits, it has been out for one week terrorising users! :-) 12:40:35 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:42:27 -!- Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:47:02 easye: abcl dynamic is anyway a cool idea 12:49:03 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Quit: get a good rest for a good start] 12:49:07 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-209-106-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:49:53 pjb: maybe is better not run any software to be secure. 12:50:12 pnpuff: don't run any hardware you mean :-) 12:54:17 zorkmoid_: have you read "10 immutable laws of security" -TechNet-? 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(asdf:clear-source-registry) earlier without really knowing what it does. How do I "undo" its effects? 16:02:38 pjb: I'll try that. 16:04:08 As for source registry, probably the most convenient way to restore it is to reboot your lisp image. 16:04:10 I don't seem to have the dir .config/common-lisp/ 16:04:47 samebchase: so it's configured somewhere else. Probably quicklisp does something about it too. Have you had a look at the asdf manual to see how to configure that? 16:05:30 sbplr [~sbplr@xwi2.xmission.com] has joined #lisp 16:05:32 yes. I'm taking a look at it 16:06:21 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1168076900.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 16:06:59 normally, doing asdf:load-system creates fasls in the src dir? 16:07:07 samebchase: but also, you could write a asd file, and it would be as easy to run (ql:quickload :your-system) than (load "yourfile"). 16:07:19 load-system, I don't think so. 16:07:33 Rather (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :your-system) 16:07:54 antgreen [~green@out-on-238.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 16:08:21 home [~quassel@106.218.251.37] has joined #lisp 16:08:24 k0001 [~k0001@host16.186-125-105.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:10:30 -!- chaitanya [~chaitanya@122.161.253.212] has quit [Quit: chaitanya] 16:12:32 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 16:13:30 -!- sbplr [~sbplr@xwi2.xmission.com] has quit [Quit: sbplr] 16:13:39 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:16:02 samebchase, not since ASDF 2 -- by default we create them in ~/.cache/common-lisp/ 16:18:25 normanrichards [~normanric@AUSTTXHODS0AE13.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:16 Hmm. I've got that directory, and it has all the fasls. Okay, so default behaviour is to store them there. 16:21:23 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:22:04 -!- home [~quassel@106.218.251.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22:51 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.208.65.149] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:22:59 -!- Fare [~fare@men75-12-88-183-198-131.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:23:20 browndawg [~browndawg@117.208.65.149] has joined #lisp 16:23:35 Slivka [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has joined #lisp 16:26:24 home [~quassel@106.218.122.48] has joined #lisp 16:27:23 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: game over] 16:29:32 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:51 S0da [~Slivka@81.4.242.0] has joined #lisp 16:35:29 alagabes [~me@adbw104.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:35:37 hello everyone 16:37:16 -!- linse_ 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joined #lisp 17:55:24 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:58:33 PuffTheMagic: ISTR some discussion about it, but I don't know if anything came out of it. AFAIK, it's the best you can do. And it's not too good an idea. 17:59:02 i know i could lump them in a module 17:59:08 But probably better than having #+x in front of each form in the file 17:59:16 Fare [~fare@78.251.100.75] has joined #lisp 17:59:19 DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has joined #lisp 17:59:24 but a module is sorta overkill 17:59:40 wait, istr? 17:59:43 One problem is that this prevents analysis of the system from a different implementation (eg. documentation extraction and generation). 17:59:50 I Seem To Remember. 18:00:06 oh 18:01:21 -!- linse [~marioooh@modemcable180.87-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:04 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 18:06:42 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:45 Grr. 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http://williams.comp.ncat.edu/COMP360/Prologfamily.htm would be simple to do in lisp? tx 20:48:08 francogrex [~user@109.134.238.162] has joined #lisp 20:51:51 agumonkey [~agu@58.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:26 splittist: lol. where did you see that ? 20:54:48 -!- linse [~marioooh@modemcable180.87-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:59:28 dmiles [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:37 this needs lispers: can someone tell me how to convert this array of 8 bytes (205 204 204 204 204 204) to a double-float (result wold be 0.65) ? 21:01:06 minion: ieee-floats 21:01:07 ieee-floats: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/ieee-floats 21:01:25 minion: ieee-float 21:01:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``ieee-float''. 21:01:39 francogrex: well, it is in quicklisp and is called ieee-floats 21:01:58 H4ns: great I will try it 21:02:00 -!- weie 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Also, it seems the text generation and transitions generation functions have drifted apart. But I still love the idea. 21:36:17 (and so to bed) 21:38:40 leoc` [~leoc.git@p57AA6C6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:41:58 Fare [~fare@men75-12-88-183-198-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:30 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9BEC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:44:58 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:01 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 21:47:08 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:16 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:50:17 -!- zorkmoid_ [1fd1034f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.31.209.3.79] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:52:56 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.176.37] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 21:53:28 bitonic` [~user@027b483a.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 21:55:41 -!- bitonic [~user@b0fb6612.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56:47 -!- masondesu [~textual@adsl-74-177-126-165.gsp.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:57:29 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:02:10 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:04:52 -!- pnpuff [~dch@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:05:13 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:22 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:11 -!- bitonic` is now known as bitonic 22:18:19 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:18:41 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-51-73.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:19:20 masondesu [~textual@adsl-74-177-126-165.gsp.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:19:34 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:22:35 -!- ``Erik [~erik@66-118-151-70.static.sagonet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:23:01 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:54 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 22:33:27 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:23 Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.176.37] has joined #lisp 22:39:44 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:41:24 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:42:11 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:45:59 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:12 hello, how do drop to repl while you have a loop on the background running? stassets told me i could make a thread and configure swank to use global input, it works but this time i don't get backtraces/debug screens when something happens, how do you do it? 22:48:19 -!- masondesu [~textual@adsl-74-177-126-165.gsp.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:48:23 Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has joined #lisp 22:54:54 hmm even better, as of now i learned i can recompile a function even though i don't have the control of slime repl. 22:55:22 Do you mean like C-c C-c? 22:56:13 -!- Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:56:34 Bike: yes, i didn't know you can do it without having the control of repl << 22:56:58 iirc, you can't. Just spawn a thread. 22:57:34 Tanami_ [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 22:58:43 i just tried it is working, i got a main loop calling a render function, i call that loop on repl and lose control of repl, and when i recompile render function, it works 22:59:20 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 22:59:53 spawning a thread have its problems, i don't get backtrace (or don't know how, if you can) 23:00:57 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:02 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:57 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 23:06:14 zejedi [~zejedi@108.222.222.199] has joined #lisp 23:06:48 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-63-136.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 23:08:20 bitonic` [~user@027b6fd2.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 23:10:51 -!- bitonic [~user@027b483a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:11 -!- ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:21 -!- kulhas [~filipe@bl10-239-185.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:46 ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:44 Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has joined #lisp 23:14:52 -!- S0da [~Slivka@81.4.242.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:19:12 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-154-239.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:20:38 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 23:21:41 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has left #lisp 23:21:44 -!- zejedi [~zejedi@108.222.222.199] has quit [] 23:23:07 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-78-116.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:43 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:27:00 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-172-246.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:18 btw are there any light-weight threads in CL? (that allow you to have 1000s) 23:28:24 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.78] has joined #lisp 23:29:29 nope. 23:30:31 davorb: some implementations do, cmucl and lispworks 23:30:51 Thread supports varies from inexistent, to cooperative stack switching (not that lightweight, though), to OS threads with a GIL (basically), to regular OS threads. 23:31:09 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:31:20 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:57 _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:03 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:13 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.176.37] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 23:36:07 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:36:17 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-018-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:37:30 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:49 -!- sellout- [~Adium@24-136-4-170.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:54 sellout-1 [~Adium@24-136-4-170.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:39:20 -!- Defluo [~Defluo@unaffiliated/defluo] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:40:34 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:27 skanev [~aquarius@78.128.55.20] has joined #lisp 23:45:43 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:46:13 k0001_ [~k0001@200.117.223.214] has joined #lisp 23:48:30 -!- skanev [~aquarius@78.128.55.20] has quit [Quit: skanev] 23:48:52 skanev [~aquarius@78.128.55.20] has joined #lisp 23:49:42 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host148.186-125-114.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:50:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:50:40 -!- _schulte1 [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:37 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.173.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:53:20 Suomin [HydraIRC@DHCP-129-59-24-47.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #lisp 23:55:50 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:56:24 -!- skanev [~aquarius@78.128.55.20] has quit [Quit: skanev] 23:57:06 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]