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01:15:59 -!- nemume [~nemu@14.Red-79-154-75.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: nemume] 01:16:15 the reader-macro is arbitrary 01:17:08 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17:28 worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.49] has joined #lisp 01:17:59 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-153-61.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:18:19 but sbcl doesn't like some reader macros to be called out of READER 01:18:35 it actually isn't a problem for me, because i will be calling this from inside another reader-macro 01:21:52 that's still the commonqt's #_ problem 01:22:58 just discovered that simply reading until #\) won't work with a b #|a|#), READ will skip over the comment and read #\), and fail 01:23:09 hence i need to check for comments manually 01:23:37 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 01:24:00 (to remind, the goal is to transform (#_foo x y) into ((lambda () (macro foo x y)))) 01:24:42 -!- younder [~john@60.17.45.31.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:26 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:17 -!- bitonic [~user@027b68cc.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26:57 and i think i have a way for it to work with [#_foo x y], most probably ] will be set as either (set-syntax-from-char #\] #\)) or (set-macro-character #\} (get-macro-character #\) nil)), so just check that #\] macro-function is equal to #\) macro-function 01:27:19 not a 100% solution, but should work 01:29:36 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.159.61] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:31:12 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 01:34:27 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:40:37 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 01:41:39 tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:45:53 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:45:54 and all this madness because of the upcasing reader... 01:47:08 *hydan* wonders how jwz ended up in phemlock (: 01:47:40 hemlock is pretty old 01:47:51 80's old? 01:48:16 yep 01:49:38 looks pretty decent (the ccl one at least) for such an old fella! 01:50:03 ccl and sbcl are from the 80s themselves too 01:51:23 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:54 sbcl was forked off cmucl in the 90s 01:51:55 99? 01:52:10 nice, so the books i had in mind will be handy then.. not too much news stuff in there, right? btw me and my keyboard are from 80s too (: 01:52:15 of course, http://nedroid.com/comics/2013-02-06-beartato-90scalled-copy.png applies 01:52:35 antifuchs: and cmucl is from the 80s 01:53:03 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@50-1-84-225.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:53:39 zejedi [~zejedi@108.222.222.199] has joined #lisp 01:53:40 ccl is from the 80s as well 01:53:52 isn't that what i said? 01:53:55 *hydan* wonders if in 80's they were saying 'Lisp was dead' too (: 01:54:16 the only youngish implementation is ABCL 01:54:19 stassats: oh yeah, I missed that 01:54:43 stassats: sure 01:54:57 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:54:59 clisp is the one you didn't mention '87 01:55:17 because i don't like clisp 01:55:20 ecl? 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That's the grandfather of ecl 01:55:56 yes, ecl comes form kcl, from the 80s 01:56:25 according to wikipedia it was one of the first common lisp implementations ever 01:56:56 i come from the 80s too, so, you get the idea, the 80s were cool! 01:57:53 well if you keep going back you have Spice on fuckin PDPs 01:58:49 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 02:00:18 and you need a previous cmucl image to bootstrap a newer one, so every image has direct lineage into the past 02:01:24 heh, a vegetative compiler 02:05:03 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 02:05:25 k0001 [~k0001@host164.181-1-204.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 02:08:26 -!- k0001_ [~k0001@host253.186-125-97.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:26 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10:03 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:11:06 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 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used mainly for things involving recursion? I am trying to figure out what lisp would be good at in the future. 06:16:30 Or best suited to... rather than good at. 06:16:32 "things involving recursion" isn't a sensible class of things, really. 06:16:52 hmm... let me think of a better way to put that... 06:17:09 lisp has plenty of looping available, anyhow. and goto! 06:17:20 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 06:17:42 thing involving recursive algorithms :D 06:17:54 like AI or stock trading... or the like 06:18:12 I know it was used in AI in the past... I don't know about now 06:18:19 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.176.104] has joined #lisp 06:18:30 Not so much now. The symbolic AI it makes easy turned out to be kind of dead end. 06:19:09 i have no idea what makes either AI or stock trading recursive, either. 06:19:20 and anyway any language worth its salt has recursive function calls possible. 06:19:43 thecodethinker: for usual applications, such as websites 06:19:57 but from my understanding lisp is better at recursion... keep in mind I am no expert in lisp :3 06:20:24 What would make a language better at recursion? 06:20:31 asvil: how so? as opposed to something like php or ruby with its rails lib 06:20:52 bike: perhaps tco which many have anyway. 06:21:03 Bike: The way it is written makes it easier to handle recursion from a programming standpoint... from my understanding 06:21:20 thecodethinker: much less, I think 06:21:31 Bike: on a technical standpoint... I guess that would depend on the implementation 06:21:55 thecodethinker: lisp market is not so big as php, java or c++ markets 06:21:59 asvil: i see... 06:22:42 asvil: I know.. I am just wondering what to use it for.. I started learning it a few months ago and I want to use it for something. 06:23:06 thecodethinker: well, for the web lisp has a lot of properties that make it easy for scripting, like eval (or more realistically, the mechanisms making it up, like symbol interning, funcalling...) 06:23:47 thecodethinker: if you're interested in AI and stock trading you could try writing a simple AI for it, like those ones that glean trade strategies from blogs. 06:24:25 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:24:29 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 06:25:02 thecodethinker: find the client of your application, and if domain is appropriate, try make it in lisp 06:25:14 Bike: That seems like a bit beyond my abilities right now... but I would like to make a simple AI with it. I make games every once in a while, I think making a game AI in lisp might be interesting 06:26:02 thecodethinker: have a look at "Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp" 06:27:12 pjb: That looks pretty interesting 06:31:43 -!- thecodethinker [~thecodeth@c-71-57-159-106.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:35:26 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:37:06 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 06:37:29 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:26 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.176.104] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:39:00 any usocket admins here? why is the sbcl backend using handler-case instead of handler-bind? it makes things undebuggable... 06:39:07 *attila_lendvai* is staring at a useless backtrace 06:39:33 lisp for the win 06:39:46 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has left #lisp 06:40:08 tcr 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Zwei Was Eine Initially 10:20:23 GNU's Not Unix 10:20:29 very long stupid tradition 10:20:43 dd -- copy & convert -- cc was already in use 10:20:52 Mince Is Not Complete Emacs 10:22:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:55 dim: at least its not "kk - kopy & konvert" 10:24:07 yeah :) 10:24:13 we have KDE for that though 10:24:31 "kkk - kopy & konvert for KDE" 10:24:40 LOL 10:24:48 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:26:00 "kkk - Kde aKronyms User Group", too :) 10:27:35 Strigoides [~Strigoide@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 10:28:35 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:29:48 where is the third k? 10:30:09 Kde Akronyms user Kroup? 10:30:28 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 10:31:44 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 10:32:27 jdz: i wonder whether it is actually the right thing for rfc2388 to silently assume that a part ends when the input stream ends. i kind of tend to think that every part needs to be terminated with a boundary. am i wrong? 10:34:23 H4ns: i have not swapped in rfc2388 context, but how would one proceed if a stream ends? 10:34:27 jdz: i think i'm not, but maybe you have thoughts regarding this. i am in the situation that my upstream proxy closes a connection with a POST request prematurely, but rfc2388 does not consider that to be an error and returns the incomplete part to Hunchentoot 10:34:55 H4ns: oh, you want it to not proceed. 10:35:00 jdz: i think an error should be signalled if the multipart message is not correctly terminated by a terminating boundary and epilogue 10:35:11 H4ns: yes, that sounds right. 10:35:25 varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 10:35:52 jdz: what version/repository do you want me to send a patch against? 10:36:43 H4ns: github preferrably 10:36:53 jdz: ok. i'll have a look, thanks. 10:37:16 drakma doesn't deal with usocket:ns-try-again, but it can come out of usocket:socket-connect. whose bus is that? 10:37:17 H4ns: My fading memory would say that indeed every part should be terminated. 10:37:41 More: the last one is terminated differently than the previous one; there's an additionnal "--" at the end of the separator. 10:38:00 attila_lendvai: i'm not a fan of retrying http clients 10:38:09 attila_lendvai: can't your application just retry if desired? 10:38:13 kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ec25.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:38:31 ogamita: yes. that is what i read in rfc1341 10:38:31 H4ns: well, it's all in read-until-next-boundary: (read-char stream nil nil)... 10:38:56 H4ns: I'm not sure at all what's that condition... does it mean that the DNS resolver couldn't answer due to some temporary issue? 10:39:02 attila_lendvai: yes 10:39:03 H4ns: and the following test for char 10:40:02 *attila_lendvai* switches the two nameserver entries and 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I googled on how to get the unix timestamp. when I try (unix-time) or (get-universal-time) I get errors (I foud those by googleing) 14:10:00 roychri: the scratch buffer in emacs defaults to emacs lisp 14:10:08 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 14:10:11 roychri: not common lisp (which this channel is about) 14:10:38 oh 14:10:41 roychri: (current-time) would give you the current time. 14:10:42 doh! 14:11:11 in CL there is no standard way of getting "UNIX epoch"... 14:11:22 przl [~przlrkt@91-64-129-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 14:11:46 but youcan get something similar, see http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/25_ad.htm 14:11:57 Straylight [~user@data.expressionanalysis.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:15 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 14:12:19 all you have to do is to sutract 70 years from universal time 14:12:24 subtract even 14:12:38 roychri there's M-x slime-scratch to get scratch equivalent for CL 14:12:50 checking.. 14:13:12 roychri: in CL one defines time as seconds since 1900 ignoring leap seconds. 14:13:26 jdz: and ignoring leap seconds, which you would need to take into account. 14:13:57 zorkmoid: no, i'd encode 1970 with my cl, and use that number 14:14:11 jdz: ah, well, yeah that is one way :-) 14:14:38 2208978000 14:16:27 my goal is to create my first small lisp standalone program. 14:16:54 I thought about starting real small. Get the number that change every time (I thought about imetamp) 14:17:00 *timestamp 14:17:06 roychri: (defun foo () t) ; first stand alone lisp program :-) 14:17:18 and then use modulo to find if the number of odd or even 14:17:27 and display a different message on the console based on that condition 14:17:34 dont give me all the answer 14:17:40 I want to figure it out :) 14:18:05 I guess I need to install clisp then. I thought the scratch of emacs was that. Installing... 14:18:30 roychri: no, emacs uses a different dialect of lisp, called emacs lisp. 14:19:21 roychri: they are as similar as they are dissimilar. 14:21:34 roychri: clisp is an interpreter. Free implementations can or can not make standalone executables depending on your definition of "standalone" :) 14:22:13 I want to be able to do something like: clisp ./my_first_epic_lisp_program.lisp 14:22:28 naryl: * has an interpreter, it can compile to some intermediate form too. 14:22:39 ok, anything will suffice then. 14:23:27 roychri: what youusually do is have your lisp world running, all the time, and then whatever function you have is just your "program" 14:23:59 zorkmoid: Except some programs expect to be alone in the world. :) 14:24:06 bknr.datastore e.g. 14:24:11 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 14:24:41 naryl: never used that, but yes, some programs are better to run in seperate worlds.. 14:25:43 -!- r126l [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:28:07 I found out how to do modulo, but current-time does not seem to return a number. 14:28:10 I have this (mod (current-time) 2) 14:28:15 I get an error 14:29:10 is lisp's evaluation as lazy as haskell's ? 14:29:33 roychri: in emacs, current-time returns a list (high low usec psec); where high is the most significant, low the least, and usec and psec micro and pico seconds 14:29:35 If I understand this error message correctly, it seems like current-time returns nil 14:29:39 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-72-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 14:29:42 unless specifically told otherwise, lisp won't execute functions until it needs to show you a result ? 14:29:46 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 14:29:48 I am in clisp now 14:30:08 roychri: ah, sorry. 14:30:44 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 14:30:53 get-universal-time works in clisp, so I wil try that 14:30:57 roychri: current-time in clisp prints output to your terminal, it doesn't return a value, as we discussed earlier, see http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/25_ad.htm for how to get time information in cl 14:32:25 I am not used to lisp documentation style. I always get discouraged when looking at that type of documentation that is very detailed (too much for beginners I think) 14:33:38 roychri: i suggest you grab a book on lisp :-) 14:34:02 zorkmoid: Books are less fun :P 14:34:10 they are too many of them 14:34:10 true :-) 14:34:28 I read the emacs book a few years back. It has an introduction to lisp. It still feels so alien. :( 14:34:30 roychri: you can usually write (describe 'FUNCTION) in your repl and get some documentation 14:34:40 Discovering a language is always better than learning it :) 14:34:53 Well... at least it's more fun :) 14:34:57 BASIC, C, C++, Perl, PHP, Java no problem. Eyes closed. Lisp? I...just...cant...... (yeT) 14:34:59 roychri: and (apropos "some string") to search for stuff 14:35:04 :) 14:35:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:35:42 well, Practical Common Lisp tends to be rather straightforward 14:35:47 I feel like I am learning an alien language... I WANT TO. it's just.... my brain.....wont....get.....it.... arrrggg! :) 14:35:50 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:35:50 and got a wonderful teaser in ch2 :) 14:36:07 roychri: But it *is* an alien language! 14:36:36 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-144-137-72-58.lnse5.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:36:36 what is the planet of origin ? :-P 14:36:40 Lispalia! 14:36:49 1 sec 14:37:02 I sure want to meet a Lispalian. That would help :) 14:37:11 Yuuhi [benni@p54839ACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:37:20 Land of Lisp ? 14:37:21 Meh, they just call it the Land of Lisp. 14:37:25 r126l [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has joined #lisp 14:37:28 the repl 14:37:30 :-) 14:38:35 I think I got it! 14:39:18 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:39:25 roychri: you migth have an easier time of thinking your repl as the unix shell prompt.. 14:39:46 (defun foo () t) -- function foo { return "t"; } or whatever. 14:40:05 http://paste.lisp.org/display/135347 14:40:06 Tcl looks like a attempt to adapt it for humans. :) Losing its alien beauty in the process. 14:40:15 normanrichards [~normanric@AUSTTXHODS0AE13.mcleodusa.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:19 When I put that in a file and do: clisp ./file 14:40:36 I get "EVEN" or "ODD", randomly (well, based on the timestamp) 14:40:51 naryl: "Books are less fun", is "Call of Duty Black Ops II" more fun ? 14:41:17 No idea what that is. The title looks like some kind of computer game. 14:41:27 hehe 14:41:37 > naryl | Discovering a language is always better than learning it :) 14:41:40 roychri: zerop over (= 0 ...) 14:41:50 > naryl | Well... at least it's more fun :) 14:41:57 zorkmoid: huh? 14:42:05 what do you mean? 14:42:08 roychri: There's a predicate for "= 0" called ZEROP 14:42:20 oh 14:42:21 roychri: lispier is to use zerop instead of comparing to 0 explicitly, zerop is a function, (describe 'zerop) 14:43:31 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 14:44:17 stopbit [~stopbit@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:44:18 http://paste.lisp.org/display/135347#1 14:44:43 what happened to evenp? 14:44:59 right :D 14:45:30 An hour to get there. Phew 14:45:48 Thanks for your help guys :) 14:45:50 stassats: true :-) 14:45:54 roychri: use evenp :-) 14:46:02 oh? 14:46:04 let me try 14:46:07 dont tell me how 14:46:13 (if (logbitp 1 (get-universal-time)) 'even 'odd) 14:46:15 (describe 'evenp) 14:46:22 clhs evenp 14:46:23 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_evenpc.htm 14:46:59 http://paste.lisp.org/display/135347#2 14:47:16 err, (if (logbitp 0 (get-universal-time)) 'odd 'even) 14:47:42 roychri: And don't place closing parens on their own line unless there's a very good reason. 14:48:03 style... right 14:48:03 naryl: "But it *is* an alien language", http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=245932 14:48:24 p_l: "teaser in ch2", what is "ch2" ? 14:49:07 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.186] has joined #lisp 14:49:50 http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=245934 14:50:13 roychri: CL code looks like a tree and reads like a tree. You see the root IF with three children - ZEROP, PRINT and another PRINT. The closing paren standing alone is not a tree node. :) 14:50:41 *EVENP 14:52:24 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:50 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-202-66-wifi.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:10 -!- tentative8e8op [~tb@cpe-67-49-139-65.hawaii.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55:21 naryl: clisp IS NOT an interpreter. clisp is an IMPLEMENTATION. It contains BOTH an interpreter, a compiler and a JUST-IN-TIME-COMPILER for its Virtual Machine Byte Code!!! 14:55:29 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:55:31 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:35 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:52 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:19 naryl: ECL is also an implementation, which also contains BOTH an interpreter, TWO compilers, (one native thru gcc, one to a byte code, and a byte code VM (but not a JITC)). 14:56:38 nary: SBCL is also an implementation which also contains BOTH an interpreter and a single compiler. 14:56:40 and so on!!! 14:56:53 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:16 http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=245935 14:57:20 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-202-66-wifi.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:10 what if lisp was made by aliens ? 14:58:45 Do you guys always argue about everything? lol :) 14:58:55 roychri: usually, yes 14:59:02 hehe, good. 14:59:53 EVEN*P*. Does the P stand for Predicate ? And does that means it will return t or nil? 15:00:03 yes, no 15:00:11 it will return nil or non-nil 15:00:26 elkng: that's an idea: write a 3D 1st person shooter to teach you lisp and that would kill you when you don't learn lisp well enough. naryl: "Books are less fun", is "Call of Duty Black Ops II" more fun ? 15:00:41 is nil the only "thruty-false" value in lisp ? 15:00:59 elkng: lisp was made by aliens. Just like the transistor. It's all alien technology, discovered in Roswell's flying saucers and reverse engineered. 15:01:03 roychri: basically, yes 15:01:18 ogamita good idea 15:01:22 evenPALIA, from Lispalia! 15:01:26 roychri: though boolean is T or NIL, but generalized boolean is used everywhere 15:01:39 roychri: generalized boolean meaning NIL or not NIL 15:02:33 ogamita: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0jYdu2u8gAU 15:02:54 (if 0 (print "yes") (print "no")) <= "yes" 15:02:55 *ogamita* at work, will watch later. 15:03:10 roychri: right 0 is not NIL 15:03:27 cool, thanks 15:03:36 Only CL:NIL. Notice that () is read as the symbol CL:NIL. 15:03:42 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 15:03:57 And (cons 42 CL:NIL) is printed as (42). 15:04:28 ogamita: ok, now I am lost. 15:04:35 *roychri* is drifting in space 15:04:47 roychri: you need not worry about packages yet 15:04:55 roychri: ogamita is just trying to confuse you 15:05:03 bad ogamita! :) 15:05:50 roychri: an example of how generalized booleans are used: (digit-char-p #\a) => NIL (digit-char-p #\1) => 1 15:07:06 -!- cfy`` [~ilisp@183.141.44.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07:14 ok, well, enough lisp for one day. 15:07:23 *roychri* goes back ro ruby 15:07:34 thanks everyone :) 15:07:38 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp-202-66-wifi.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08:13 roychri: no confusion this is the bases of lisp. 15:08:53 roychri: there's a function CONS (construct), which takes two values and makes a pair (a cons cell). (cons 1 2) --> (1 . 2) ; the dot is syntax to mean it's a pair. 15:08:53 explaining everything in pedantically precise details is not conductive to good understanding 15:08:55 ogamita: I might be even lower than the base at this stage... I am so low, I feel the heat of the lava. 15:09:29 roychri: chains of pairs terminated with CL:NIL are used to represent lists: (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 CL:NIL))) --> (1 . (2 . (3 . CL:NIL))) which is also printed as (1 2 3). 15:09:49 *madnificent* think he finally 'gets' define-setf-expander 15:10:03 (equal (cons 1 (cons 2 (cons 3 CL:NIL))) (list 1 2 3)) --> T 15:10:18 why are you qualifying NIL and not equal or cons? 15:12:34 ogamita: I have not touched list yet. I am not even sure what chain of pair means. I dont know what "(1 . (2 ..." does. In truth, I am not sure my brain can take that much more new infromation at this stage of my early development :) 15:12:46 Kubatyszko [~anonymous@pw126205209168.3.panda-world.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:12:58 minion: please tell roychri about PCL 15:12:58 roychri: look at PCL: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 15:13:09 minion: please tell roychri about gentle 15:13:10 roychri: have a look at gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 15:13:56 -!- Kubatyszko [~anonymous@pw126205209168.3.panda-world.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:43 cool, thanks :) I will save that on my delicious! 15:15:56 Ciao, thanks again 8-D 15:15:57 roychri: you can also explore http://cliki.net/ 15:16:53 Have anything specially written for people like me who have been brain damaged by non-alien languages (c, java, etc...) ?? 15:17:13 PCL will do 15:18:21 oh, yes... I see that now. thanks 15:18:29 I really have to go now. :( 15:18:54 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 15:18:58 just go already! 15:20:30 -!- andytoshi [~username@gateway/tor-sasl/andytoshi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 15:21:37 myx [~myx@pppoe-194-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 15:22:23 -!- r126l [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:23:33 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:24:42 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:25:16 Odin- [~sbkhh@erudite.anarchism.is] has joined #lisp 15:25:45 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 15:27:36 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:32:08 hi 15:32:19 is there anyone using opencv with Lisp? 15:33:56 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:33:58 Posterdati: More fun asking when Lemonodor is around, perhaps? 15:34:26 chr: which is his/her nickname? 15:34:46 Lemonodor. 15:35:00 lol, never seen him/her 15:35:48 ogamita: clisp has a JIT? o.o 15:36:04 IRL, it's John Wiseman. Used to be the rockstar of lisp blogs, or rather the curator of rockstars, years ago. 15:36:39 chr: I know, but never seen him on irc 15:37:08 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:46 Posterdati: I noticed his lurking here as late as this week. 15:37:57 ah ok 15:39:25 zejedi [~zejedi@108.222.222.199] has joined #lisp 15:40:02 I think he's into drones/selfguiding cars at his day job. Dunno whether those drones are to hunt afghani freedom fighters or monitor subsaharan poachers, hope for the latter. 15:42:36 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-65-92.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:06 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 15:48:12 wakeup [~max@xdsl-89-0-83-31.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:48:15 hi 15:48:48 chr: same problem here! 15:50:48 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@AUSTTXHODS0AE13.mcleodusa.net] has quit [] 15:52:28 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:25 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:54:54 is using MAKE-VECTOR-INPUT-STREAM with an empty for both READ-BYTE and READ-CHAR portable? 15:55:07 *empty vector 15:55:16 what is MAKE-VECTOR-INPUT-STREAM? 15:55:44 oh is that ccl only? damn 15:56:10 that answers my question ;) 15:56:58 I am looking for a way to ensure a form to have an empty *standard-input*, without knowing the element-type it expects from *standard-input* 15:57:12 clhs clear-input 15:57:13 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_clear_.htm 15:58:52 cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has joined #lisp 15:59:06 hmm 15:59:19 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-alxcxijpouzkougi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:59:30 that doesnt seem to work for slime backend streams for instance 15:59:45 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 16:00:09 what do you really want to do? 16:00:35 (let ((*standard-input* (EMPTY))) ...) 16:00:47 what does that mean? 16:01:15 I was using make-string-input-stream with an empty string first 16:01:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:02:07 Ralt [~Ralt@ip1.smh.prowebce.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:11 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:16 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has left #lisp 16:02:56 I am writing a non-blocking funcall basically, and I don't want them to share *standard-input* with the caller. 16:03:25 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-112-217.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:33 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:04:04 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:05:13 (with-input-from-string (*standard-input* "") ) 16:05:45 sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has joined #lisp 16:06:00 But without knowing the element-type you will have to make a Gray stream. 16:06:13 That is, not CL. 16:06:22 hmm 16:07:32 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 16:07:32 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 16:07:32 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 16:10:51 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1217-228.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:27 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:16 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:14:30 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.186] has joined #lisp 16:15:08 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:15:09 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:15:56 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:15:57 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:16:24 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:25 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:20:03 -!- paradoja [~paradoja@85.Red-213-4-35.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20:27 -!- cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:20:31 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 16:27:07 cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has joined #lisp 16:28:50 bitonic [~user@dyn1217-228.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:29:27 manjush [~smuxi@223.236.196.121] has joined #lisp 16:33:42 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 16:33:56 -!- n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:34:42 n0vember [~n0vember@liberacescursedpiano.org] has joined #lisp 16:40:27 I am working on big data. I am just a beginer of lisp. I came to know about the importance of lisp.I wonder If I could use lisp in making a better big data platform.Presently bungsense is using lisp for its big data platform. 16:41:02 manjush: it's the right place 16:41:12 lisp is defenitely suitable for big data 16:42:24 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42:57 -!- kleppari [~spa@89-160-141-139.du.xdsl.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:43:08 speaking of cats: http://i.imgur.com/8Ld3X68.jpg 16:43:20 elkng: this is off-topic 16:43:37 antonv: could you tell how.I searched for this over the web.There is very limited material for this. 16:44:39 I found that it is good with sql type. But does not go well with relational data bases NOSQL 16:45:02 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:46:02 manjush: relational NOSQL? 16:46:59 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:47:00 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:47:30 techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:47:30 -!- techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:47:38 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:19 techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:48:20 -!- techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:48:28 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-237-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:48:41 Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:35 techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 16:49:48 antonv: I mean NOSQL data bases 16:50:11 lisp works perfectly with NOSQL databases 16:50:15 what is your task? 16:51:14 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:51:18 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 16:52:04 didn't ITA have to do some crazy stuff to keep the GC away from their data? 16:53:35 gigamonkey [~textual@adsl-75-61-79-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:02 jasom: haven't heard of it 16:54:04 antonv: We need to get large set of data from mobile phone users about the bugs in the apps.We use that data to analysing provlems faced by users.It eases the app developer to get the exact problem in the app. 16:54:17 jasom: interesting to know more, any links? 16:54:54 -!- EvW [~Thunderbi@a82-92-190-215.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:15 manjush: consider this tool http://www.franz.com/agraph/set/ 16:55:17 antonv: https://www.bugsense.com/ 16:55:31 it is designed for extra big data, and the data may be put into it in real time 16:55:32 -!- techlife [~jimmy@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:55:35 svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 16:55:36 and analyzed in real time 16:56:03 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:56:30 manjush: I've heard of this application, don't remember where 16:57:28 antonv:It is mostly used by android app developers now-a-days 16:57:43 EvW [~Thunderbi@82.92.190.215] has joined #lisp 16:58:16 antonv: maybe here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xquJvmHF3S8 16:58:31 jasom: the video is private 16:59:37 manjush: this SET tool I've send you link to. It was used by huge telecom providers to collect real-time data form all their user databases and make real-time decisions 17:00:22 it's backed by the fasted RDF store 17:00:28 made in Lisp 17:00:39 of course 17:00:47 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:00:48 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:01:28 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:36 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:01:37 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:03:23 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:03:24 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:03:32 -!- androcles [~Jeff@sporkula.ss.uci.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03:50 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-165-219.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:04:11 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:04:12 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:04:49 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:04:55 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-183-165-219.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:58 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:04:59 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:06:36 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:06:36 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:07:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:08:32 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:08:53 does anyone have suggestions for this ccl description? http://paste.lisp.org/display/135356 . debian package. 17:08:55 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 17:09:12 suggestions for improvement, that is. 17:09:21 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:09:22 remove double #\Space 17:09:54 stassats: sorry, don't follow. can you elaborate? 17:10:08 two spaces 17:10:10 oh, after CCL? 17:10:17 stassats: ok, gotcha. 17:10:21 anything else? 17:10:24 -!- xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:40 i don't like " all the features in the ANSI specification." 17:10:57 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.217.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:11:22 stassats: alternative wording, or delete completely? 17:11:43 not sure 17:12:21 and it looks it's lifted from the SBCL description 17:12:24 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.144.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 17:13:09 stassats: you're right. :-) 17:13:35 still accurate though, right? 17:13:51 k0001 [~k0001@host61.200-117-39.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:13:56 manjush: there's allegrograph which is just about the most awesome and most respected semantic web database out there. it can handle loads of data, but it uses a different approach than -say- Hadoop. here allegrograph has quite a complex (and standardized) interface for posing queries (IIRC it has a SPARQL1.1 endpoint), the interface of things like hadoop most often are map-reduce. you can do map-reduce through couchdb, t 17:13:56 chillax, though couch isn't likely going to be the fastest thing on the planet either. 17:14:25 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-197-211-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:14:36 madnificent: i've just sent manjus link to franz.com 17:14:39 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:40 anyone who wants, please feel free to annotate the description. thanks. 17:15:00 antonv: i know. 17:16:20 then why do you repeat the information... 17:16:41 -!- Regenaxer [~Baldur@pd9568a7a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 17:16:55 anyway, hadoop and map-reduce and not so suitable for bugsense and the franz's SET 17:17:02 antonv: because i was A) saying that allegrograph really is respected (more than one source), and B) saying that it's not big data in the common way big data is handled. 17:17:05 bugsense needs real-time reports 17:17:33 you can do real-time reports by using map-reduce abstractions 17:18:28 bugsense description: real-time, analytics, filters, notifications 17:18:53 the requirements match very well to the franz products 17:19:36 it depends on the amount of data and the licensing costs. i don't know how well allegrograph handles repeated queries. i haven't benchmarked it as it costs $$$ 17:20:40 antonv:Are they open? 17:20:54 yes, I am 17:21:12 I mean the tools 17:21:20 however, given the performance other semantic web databases offer (eg: Jena), it's obvious that Allegrograph has to be way ahead of the pack to offer a reasonable speed (which they are, for all i've heard and read about it) 17:21:43 they 17:21:49 s/which they are/which it is/ 17:22:00 -!- DrCode [~DrCode@gateway/tor-sasl/drcode] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:22:05 they commercial 17:22:06 allegrograph is closed source 17:22:12 xristos [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 17:22:29 -!- xristos is now known as Guest96493 17:22:35 antonv:so they cost high.don't they 17:22:53 yep 17:22:56 manjush: if the price is right, it may still be well worth the hassle 17:23:46 AeroNotix [~xeno@abol66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:24:22 pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:24:46 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 17:25:12 madnificent:I don't really mine about price.But I want the software to be editable. 17:25:39 We don't want to depend on others 17:26:55 bugsense isn't open too, is it 17:27:03 manjush: the abstractions offered by Franz are mostly an open standard. and the standard isn't all that bad. so you have a clean abstraction layer, and you can move away from it if necessary. 17:28:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:28:40 manjush: anyway, if you want to connect to some open database, you may do it from lisp the same way as from other services 17:28:53 what NOSQL database you consider 17:28:56 ? 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Unoptmised, optimised, and a C version benchmarked here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135357 17:41:53 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:41:54 jutt [~starstar7@2.51.214.131] has joined #lisp 17:41:58 -!- jutt [~starstar7@2.51.214.131] has left #lisp 17:42:01 antonv:that would be a diffcult task for start-ups like me.I will figure it out.I am curious about lisp.how did lisp achieve these capabilities? 17:42:31 samebchase: the right way to optimize is using a better algorithm 17:42:34 very wide question 17:42:37 heh of course 17:42:38 what capablities 17:44:25 that is Project Euler #92, btw 17:44:52 carlo5m_ [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has joined #lisp 17:45:01 it takes 1 second here, so you can also optimize by getting a faster CPU 17:45:46 antonv:You know.Power to get things done easyly. 17:45:52 Using ancient hardware here. 17:45:56 sabalaba: your declarations look sane 17:46:04 -!- int3__ [~int3__@vlan409-146.subnet-248.amherst.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:19 manjush: I am affraid this question will lead to many specilations and nothing concrete 17:46:23 sabalaba: for simple mathematical problems i'd assume C to be somewhat faster, so it looks sane to me 17:46:33 lot may be said here, but it is also already written in internet 17:46:35 madnificent: is there anything I could have added/removed? 17:46:57 samebchase: you might add (declaim (inline square-digits)) 17:47:15 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:47:16 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:47:28 I was quite pleased that the lisp version came close to C 17:47:29 manjush: for example some interesting articles from a person who know lisp very well: http://paulgraham.com/lisp.html 17:47:32 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:47:48 stassats: hmm will try that and test 17:48:19 that form goes in the body of square-digits? 17:48:34 manjush: how about this: lisp was originally one of the few languages that tried to be very expressive. many other languages were based on processing power back then. now, during those 50 years, it turned out to be really really expressive. however, as lisp was slow, people spent time on making it faster in those 50 years to. so what you end up with is a language that is much more flexible than something like ruby, but i 17:48:34 lot faster. the specifics are all examples of where lisp did something 'smart', and that takes a whole lot to explain. 17:48:40 at the top-level, before it 17:48:41 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:48:49 oh 17:49:55 samebchase: i didn't read the specifics, but inlining may indeed help if you have many calls to that function. 17:50:39 declaring the ftype may help too, but if you're inlining it shouldn't make a difference anymore 17:50:52 madnificicent: The story is all about A.I lisp was vanished in 19th century in the winter snow 17:51:37 stassats: hmm. Seems to be approximately the same. 17:52:30 madnificent: A.I grown went slow which made the research dry.That's the time when c took the advantage. 17:53:29 on my computer a direct translation to python took 200+ secs. 17:53:48 manjush: lisp took blame where an impossible assignment was the issue. we took different turns in AI research after the AI winter. but the language which resulted from it was still quite awesome. 17:53:59 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.186] has joined #lisp 17:54:06 , so lisp is doing very well. 17:54:20 manjush: also, i'm fairly sure the 19th century didn't have that much lisp in it :) 17:54:40 sdemarre [~serge@122.75-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 17:54:42 i wasn't there, but still 17:55:02 I mean to say 20th 17:55:07 madnificent: it had Ada though 17:55:44 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-27.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:55:55 samebchase: but many declarations you add are not needed 17:56:07 samebchase: yup, but she didn't write lisp ;_; 17:56:12 on sbcl 17:56:24 stassats: oh, which ones could be removed? 17:57:05 samebchase: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135357#3 17:57:29 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:57:38 madnificent:lisp is in good phase again I think. 17:58:17 manjush: i know, i was joking. regardless, Lisp has had a long evolution. the language is flexible, meaning that users can extend it. in C#, for instance, you'll have to wait for Microsoft to add a specific feature you think you need, in lisp, users can add that feature. that means the language evolved faster. 17:58:43 similarly in square-digits-chain, you already declare (declare (fixnum number)) and then do (the fixnum number) 17:58:51 manjush: so grab Practical Common Lisp, and don't worry, lisp won't be the thing that pulls you back. 17:58:56 THE is superfluous here 17:59:16 -!- ``Erik [~erik@pool-74-103-121-45.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:59:44 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:00:04 true 18:00:08 stassats: hmm. I'm getting same speeds as before. 18:00:18 right, that's the point 18:00:26 yeah 18:00:40 and is more readable 18:01:33 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-76-254-45-27.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:48 I think open source is better than anything.It might be slow for the present phase compared to propritory.But I like the freedom of use. 18:02:58 samebchase: and not using recursion also helps: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135357#4 18:03:03 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@adsl-75-61-79-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:03:12 -!- xristos_ [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:03:33 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:04:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:05:20 nice. 0.3s faster on average 18:05:23 Guest78539 [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 18:06:14 manjush: open source lisps are quite fast :) 18:07:07 I am talking on the whole. Take hadoop.Compare it with google file systems. 18:07:51 you can take big query which takes seconds to run a query for which hadoop takes the whole day. 18:08:45 aajmakin [~aajmakin@cs181122010.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 18:09:02 fisxoj [~fisxoj@c-24-12-190-29.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:50 -!- benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:09:56 manjush: seems a bit offtopic, but yes. beating Hadoop is far from impossible. we found out the same thing. 18:11:36 -!- Guest78539 [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:11:37 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-088-069-127-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:50 add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-22-251.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 18:12:38 madnificent:If you are interested.Join hadoop channel 18:14:12 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.87.140] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:14:46 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15:38 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:08 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:18 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:16:19 replcate` [~user@24-217-97-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:16:39 nha [~prefect@koln-5d8146dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:15 has anyone written a library that does the opposite of (format)? 18:17:24 as in, destructures strings? 18:17:43 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1217-228.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:19:12 fisxoj: krystof. 18:19:13 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:20:16 xristos_ [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 18:21:33 fisxoj: http://jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/format.html. 18:22:54 fsvehla: you mean a parser? 18:23:02 -!- replcate` is now known as replcated 18:24:57 benny [~user@maidenhead3.tunnelr.com] has joined #lisp 18:28:06 pkhuong: I'll take a look at that, but I'm not sure it does what I want... Haven't made much sense of it yet 18:28:33 but, yes, jasom, I want something that will read something that has been written by format back into variables and lists 18:28:58 have to step out a few minutes, any ideas are welcome, otherwise I've got a good solid afternoon hack ahead of me 18:29:46 mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.20] has joined #lisp 18:29:46 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.20] has quit [Changing host] 18:29:46 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:30:59 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host61.200-117-39.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:03 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 18:32:23 k0001 [~k0001@host181.190-224-60.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 18:33:59 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:55 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:36 -!- xristos_ [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:36:25 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:25 samebchase: to optimize it even further note that the maximum square sum will be from 99999999 and it's 648, so, pre-compute a table for the first 648 numbers 18:36:37 CatMtKing [~CatMtKing@138.23.59.162] has joined #lisp 18:37:05 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-197-211-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 18:38:05 samebchase: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135357#5 18:38:10 oh 18:38:13 alex` [~user@p549B3C91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:27 xristos_ [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has joined #lisp 18:38:49 0.266 seconds of real time as opposed to 0.897 18:39:52 fisxoj: that's not possible, since format is non-reversible. example (format nil "~d~d" 1 23) (format nil "~d~d" 12 3) both have the same format string and output, but have different arguments 18:40:06 that is much faster 18:41:39 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 18:41:53 Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 18:42:03 jasom: you also feed the inverse a stream, don't you 18:42:28 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:42:55 Bike: 10:28 < fisxoj> but, yes, jasom, I want something that will read something that has been written by format back into variables and lists 18:43:24 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:50 I interpreted that to mean "Given a format string used to write something, read back what was written"; I suppose it would be possible to generate a parse forest, but there will be many cases for ambiguity 18:43:53 fisxoj: maybe you rather want something like pack/unpack. 18:45:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:47:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:47:26 sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has joined #lisp 18:48:17 samebchase: i'd guess project euler form will have some constant-time mathematics solution 18:49:23 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:49:59 I skimmed a few of the other solutions, 18:50:33 one guy waited 20 min for his program to run 18:50:36 -!- xristos_ [x@ns3.suspicious.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:50:40 man, did the make project euler ugly or what 18:51:04 as in the design? 18:51:09 yes 18:51:13 how many have you solved? 18:51:18 117 18:51:22 cool 18:51:26 I'm on 19 18:51:55 elkng: the teaser, which iirc is in ch2, is the "relational database in 2k source lines of code" :) 18:52:16 haven't solved anything for a long time, the problems became too hard for my math level 18:52:32 I'm stuck on the sudoku one 18:53:01 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.245.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:19 bitbucket.org/samebchase/sudoku-solver 18:53:30 samebchase: if it's just solve sudoku, read up on constraint propogation 18:53:50 not close to solving it yet, but did manage to learn a little bit of lisp 18:54:37 -!- pnpuff [~dioxirane@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:54:52 jasom: yes, I should 18:55:43 i wonder if saying ccl has an integrated debugger (http://paste.lisp.org/display/135356) is really informative. don't all CL implementations have one? 18:56:16 I've reached a state where I can now think about how to solve it as opposed to getting bogged down by (what should be) easy things like reading puzzles from file etc. 18:56:18 i imagine you're describing not for the CL audience 18:56:34 for me, a description "Clozure Common Lisp" would have been sufficient 18:56:42 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-65-92.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:56:50 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:57:33 all the features in the ANSI specification is probably not too informative either 18:57:45 stassats: a description like that would not fly with Debian. 18:57:59 stassats: yes, it is for a non-specialist audience. 18:58:04 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:58:38 the idea is to tell someone who comes across the package why they might care. think of it as an advertising blurb, except without the lies. 18:58:47 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:17 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:52 so, don't all CL implementations have a debugger? at least the ones I have tried seem to. 19:00:12 Posterdati: ping? 19:01:14 minion: tell Posterdati "IIRC that you did an electronic simulator, take a look at the SICP videos - Lecture-05b, at around 08:10" 19:01:15 "IIRC that you did an electronic simulator, take a look at the SICP videos - Lecture-05b, at around 0810": An error was encountered in lookup: Parse error:URI "http://www.cliki.net/\"IIRC%20that%20you%20did%20an%20electronic%20simulator%2C%20take%20a%20look%20at%20the%20SICP%20videos%20-%20Lecture-05b%2C%20at%20around%200810\"?source" contains illegal character #\" at position 21.. 19:01:23 p_l: "source lines of code" of lisp ? 19:01:27 minion: tell Posterdati IIRC that you did an electronic simulator, take a look at the SICP videos - Lecture-05b, at around 08:10 19:01:28 Posterdati: watch out, you'll make krystof angry 19:01:36 elkng: yeah 19:01:47 "To browse CCL source definitions with development environments, install the ccl-source package." also reads kind of awkwardly 19:01:50 flip214: mind your columns 19:02:05 and that's not how memos are sent at all 19:02:11 stassats: I thought that minion could remember messages 19:02:14 yes, seems so 19:02:18 minion: help memos 19:02:18 minion: help? 19:02:18 To send a memo, say something like ``minion: memo for nick: the memo''. I'll remember the memo for any nick which is the same as the given nick, +/- differences in punctuation, and any nick which is an alias for it, and give it to them when they next speak. 19:02:18 There are multiple help modules. Try ``/msg minion help kind'', where kind is one of: "lookups", "helping others", "adding terms", "aliasing terms", "forgetting", "memos", "avoiding memos", "nicknames", "goodies", "eliza", "advice", "apropos", "acronyms". 19:02:38 ck_ [~ck@dslb-088-069-127-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:02:39 minion: memo for Posterdati: IIRC that you did an electronic simulator, take a look at the SICP videos - Lecture-05b, at around 08:10 19:02:39 Remembered. I'll tell Posterdati when he/she/it next speaks. 19:02:53 stassats: thanks a lot ... once again 19:03:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:10 drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 19:05:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:05:29 I think it's the perl bot that uses the "tell «nickname»" idiom 19:06:01 minion: tell flip214 about minion 19:06:01 minion: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/minion 19:06:23 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:06:28 minion does too, but not for memos 19:10:47 wakeup_ [~max@xdsl-89-0-106-194.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:11:03 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-72-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:09 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 19:12:21 -!- sellout- [~Adium@67.51.227.94] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:12:31 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-72-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:12:51 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl16-72-198.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:52 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:14 would it be correct to say CCL is a complete implementation of the ANSI specification? 19:13:31 afaik yes 19:13:46 p_l: ok, thanks. 19:14:00 -!- wakeup [~max@xdsl-89-0-83-31.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17:14 -!- ck_ [~ck@dslb-088-069-127-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:20:56 -!- fogus|gone is now known as `fogus 19:21:25 impomatic [~digital_w@65.30.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:50 faheem: you could write a CL implementation without a REPL and without a debugger. It would still have to implement BREAK and INVOKE-DEBUGGER and do something to be complient, but just letting GDB take over would be enough. 19:27:12 -!- chebastian [~chebastia@c-d875e255.015-51-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:28:13 bitonic [~user@5acbe0b5.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:29 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:11 -!- victor_lowther [~victorlow@143.166.116.80] has quit [Quit: Leaving IRC - dircproxy 1.2.0] 19:31:41 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:33:46 -!- Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:34:39 Denommus [~user@201-8-213-128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 19:34:44 hi 19:35:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:35:14 pjb: i see. 19:35:16 -!- manjush [~smuxi@223.236.196.121] has left #lisp 19:35:22 hi 19:35:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:36:23 I can't use stumpwm. It gives me an error on (PARSE-INTEGER "" :START 0 :END NIL :RADIX 10 :JUNK-ALLOWED NIL) 19:36:33 obvious reasons 19:37:27 -!- karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:31 karswell` [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:40:07 -!- bitonic [~user@5acbe0b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:26 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:08 -!- Denommus [~user@201-8-213-128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:41:12 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:42:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-3-211.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:44:09 Denommus [~user@201-8-206-78.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 19:44:24 connection droppeed 19:44:40 -!- joneshf-laptop [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:39 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host181.190-224-60.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:39 Denommus: i doubt that'll be easy to find without a stack trace 19:47:16 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 19:47:20 Greetings lispers. 19:47:27 madnificent: how can I get one while using xinit? 19:47:27 hello ThomasH 19:48:48 found out 19:48:51 Denommus: i don't know. what i'd do is use startx, make sure emacs is started instead of a proper wm. use emacs to load and run stumpwm, then see in the graphical debugger what the hell is going on. 19:49:05 ngz [~user@254.83.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:28 madnificent: http://paste.lisp.org/+2WG2 19:49:39 -!- aajmakin [~aajmakin@cs181122010.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:51:00 Denommus: #stumpwm is your best bet from here on onwards. i don't know much about XLIB 19:51:52 madnificent: okay. 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(not polluting #sbcl (:) 20:40:57 no idea, never read any 20:41:06 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-90-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:27 Fare [~fare@31.37.158.224] has joined #lisp 20:42:25 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:42:30 hydan: the lisp list looks pretty neat. I liked Winston & Horn's book, but it's old 20:42:40 hydan: and congrats to the nice salary 20:42:50 s/to/for/ 20:42:51 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host218.186-125-98.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:43:35 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 20:44:05 -!- segmond [~uzo@adsl-108-67-102-100.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:44:14 nice salary? 20:45:11 Fare: http://paste.lisp.org/display/135366 20:45:13 prxq: I said no to a laptop upgrade (: not that nice in the end.. 20:45:33 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@108-225-26-178.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:19 hydan: I can recommend PCL to start with (if you are a 'programmer' already) and then likely Keene through to PAIP... in my mind Scheme is different from Lisp (both are based on LISP) so cannot possibly recommend the scheme books... but I have of course read them and done the exercises, so cannot not recommend them either :) 20:47:08 -!- bitonic [~user@5acbe0b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:47:29 drewc: is LoL still current? 20:47:43 decorating your bookshelf is a good goal too 20:48:44 segmond [~uzo@adsl-99-110-98-229.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:52 hydan: I like how you publicly advertise having cash. Where do you live, btw? ;-) 20:49:04 prxq: the book, the non-readable--book, or the library? 20:49:08 *ThomasH* puts on his ski mask 20:49:37 drewc: oh, right, there's also a book of that acronym. No, I meant the library 20:49:44 -!- adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:50:12 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:58 bitonic [~user@5acbe0b5.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:51:28 prxq, you're being paid in books?? 20:51:43 drewc: lurking here from 2008, programmed pascal/php ages ago before cisco consumed my life, just escaped recently.. 20:51:48 A good tester is worth his weight in books! 20:51:52 Fare: certainly not me 20:52:07 ThomasH: well, somebody would ask why i made the list anyway, so there.. 20:52:10 Fade: i did not post that paste :-) 20:52:18 prxq: not up to date at all, and in fact a horrible idea! 20:52:28 pjb: not much, then 20:52:30 ok, well, sounded nice :-) 20:53:08 drewc: not sold on context-oriented stuff anymore, or...? 20:53:14 hydan: I started off as a PERL/PHP programmer back in the day :) ... I started in on CL around 2003, and by 2004 it was my primary language. 20:53:47 felideon: there is an issue with context-oriented stuff and continuations... LoL has both. 20:54:12 felideon: not sold on 'dynamic' scope basically 20:55:12 there is an issue with context-oriented and closures ... and call/cc relies on closures working right ... so ... 20:55:16 so just AOP or layered mixins would be fine? 20:55:21 drewc: anything you can recomend in that direction? 20:55:28 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 20:56:49 heh ... well a long time ago, and in fact wrote and application using it, but: https://github.com/drewc/ftw 20:57:06 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:58:08 but, tbh, wait, I am planning on releasing a 'new' UCW type library that includes and like FTW does, but based on my own monads code ... 20:58:12 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 20:58:18 http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html 20:58:43 drewc, oh -- what's the current plan on lil & monads, lil & packages? 20:58:46 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:58:58 -!- carlo5m_ [~carlo5m@209.49.100.67] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:03 specifically http://drewc.org/interface/monads.html#sec-7 is a web site done using call/cc and monads 20:59:28 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c16c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:59:52 drewc: when you publish code, do you develop directly on the github tree, or do you commit a somewhat stable initial version? 21:00:27 Fare: oh right! so, the monads can be merged as is ... as for the packages, well, you know what I like/prefer/do ... and I would not mind organizing the packages the 'proper' way for lil 21:00:53 *hydan* is lost between all the LoLs, they are like CLONs.. 21:00:57 prxq_: to github? always stable and using it production. 21:01:06 hydan: mine came first! 21:01:55 drewc: well, if you don't mind doing it -- can you do it? :-) 21:01:56 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75e254.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:02:00 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 21:02:04 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:10 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 21:02:11 (I even got a free copy on land of lisp with an autograph as a 'thank you'/'please do not tell' :)) 21:02:25 drewc: also, did you see the foo/bar/baz capability of asdf? it looks it up in foo.asd ! 21:02:31 -!- svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:45 drewc: so no need for 30 .asd files anymore. 21:02:56 Fare: heh ... yeah, I can... and non! I have not! that looks incredible actually! 21:03:25 on asdf2, the foo.asd must be loaded before the other ones are found. 21:03:39 via find-system foo or load-system foo 21:04:39 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:04:40 drewc: see https://github.com/sionescu/iolib/blob/master/iolib.asd 21:04:46 and if you integrate quick-build to asdf -- that would be great. Or I could/should do it at some point, if possible before ASDF 3. 21:05:11 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:05:22 The idea: have a subclass of system that does the quickbuild thing. 21:05:28 yeah, that has been on my mind as well 21:05:36 and yeah, exactly that. 21:05:38 is there a way to find out where a lock comes from/was defined? 21:05:46 and it would be distributed as a builtin part of asdf3 21:06:26 wakeup_: what kind of lock? 21:06:48 elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has joined #lisp 21:06:49 wakeup_: what is the problem? 21:07:41 Fare: yeah, my master plan for ASDF3 is that it is the start of a new Common Lisp dialect called ... wait for it ... "Common Lisp.Net" ... and especially now that we both agree on packages, well, it will be the start! 21:07:44 user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:07:53 hmm never mind 21:08:14 the .net part might mean trouble 21:08:22 so, my plan is of course to include quick-build 21:08:33 well, ASDF itself is now following this package discipline. 21:08:42 prxq: well, I do not own .org at all lol :) 21:08:48 It was kind of hell to make it transition nicely. 21:08:49 is asdf3 turing complete? 21:08:56 drewc: heh 21:09:00 asdf3 includes CL, so yes. 21:09:18 prxq: good point though, about M$ and .net ... never thought of that. 21:09:50 you can take iCL instead 21:10:08 but ... I use the Python compiler every day, and never use the python language ... so .net is now in order! :) 21:11:15 -!- Xach [~xach@cpe-67-255-229-229.maine.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 21:11:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:57 *drewc* already has permission to use CLtL3, but liked the .net simply because the networking is now included in my 'standard' ... common-lisp.thread does not make any sense. .thread is not a TLD 21:12:03 drewc: What do you use the python compiler for? 21:12:07 drewc: but you can use Python to compile Python (: https://github.com/franzinc/cl-python 21:12:10 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 21:12:20 hydan: true! 21:12:42 adelgado: Python is the name of the compiler SBCL and CMUCL use. 21:12:48 agumonkey: to compile Common Lisp ... SBCL is my primrary implementation 21:12:53 molbdnilo [~Ove@c80-216-200-208.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:13:12 Bike: ah, thanks. 21:13:44 agumonkey: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=141558 21:13:56 orthecreedence [~kvirc@70-36-236-51.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:23 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 21:14:30 tentative8e8op [~tb@cpe-67-49-139-65.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:15:02 bitonic` [~user@b0fcc426.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 21:16:35 -!- worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:36 -!- bitonic [~user@5acbe0b5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:17:52 rtoyg [~rtoyg@216.239.45.130] has joined #lisp 21:17:59 Fare: Around? 21:18:39 -!- Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:44 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:01 minion: how now brown cow 21:19:02 please stop playing with me... i am not a toy 21:19:25 hi rtoyg! 21:19:39 Hey! prxq 21:20:18 hey hey rtoyg 21:20:32 -!- alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.120.28.119] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:20:37 -!- aceluck [~aceluck@123.136.106.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:10 anyone read my usenet post to c.l.lisp about an API for cliki.net? 21:21:33 drewc: Aloha 21:22:00 I will probably just get in touch wich serdar, but I'd like to hear some opinions 21:22:43 Seems that Fare isn't available right now. Anyone have an example of asdf's new deferred warning stuff? I'm just looking for a simple example demonstrating the feature to see my patch makes it work with cmucl. 21:23:17 wakeup_: I did, and skipped over it because a) cliki.net has all source available over http and b) I did not have the time to read in to the details. So my opinion is likely between the lines. 21:23:57 back 21:24:05 (trying to internet boot my wife's mac) 21:24:21 wakeup_: but, I can of course give you a .tgz of all the cliki pages if that is what you want. 21:24:25 drewc: I peeked into it its sadly undocumented 21:24:35 -!- hydan [~user@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:12 drewc: I am more interested in a way to pull cliki myself, and to push changes with drakma for example 21:25:24 wakeup_: I have not looked at cliki2 code at all ... and sorry I did not make the docs for cliki itself, or ucliki 21:25:41 wakeup_: are you familiar with the web at all? 21:25:52 -!- elkng [~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:26:24 -!- sdemarre [~serge@122.75-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:27:00 drewc: of course ;) I just wanted to coordinate efforts in case there is general interest 21:27:22 OR: http://www.cliki.net/site/edit-article?title=index <--- all the source is there, and a POST will push the changes :) 21:27:36 rtoyg: an example would be a (defun foo () (bar)) where bar is never defined 21:27:39 the old cliki had ?source 21:27:51 the new one doesn't, and minion doesn't like that 21:28:13 who's in charge of cliki2 ? 21:28:59 Fare: So create an asd file that build just that one defun? 21:28:59 -!- rking [~rking@unaffiliated/rking] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0-rc1] 21:29:01 rbarraud__ [~rbarraud@125-239-32-133.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #lisp 21:29:02 stassats: making minion work is on my list of things to do. ... and for that matter re-writing cliki again, as part of my 'tutorials for learning CL' that I plan for 2013 21:29:14 why can't cliki's store be a VCS repository, would be so awesome 21:29:45 drewc: please use a vcs as its backend then ;) 21:30:02 Fare: Vladimir Sedach 21:30:26 is he responsive? sounds like a feature request. 21:30:46 (As I said I would get my hands dirty) 21:30:52 wakeup_, yup, a git based wiki would be great 21:31:12 but I'd like to do this on the communities behalf accrding to its needs 21:31:21 inferior-shell can give you a primitive interface to git. 21:32:11 don't need inferior-shell to call git ;) 21:33:01 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:10 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 21:33:33 yeah, a git based wiki is something I would like to do, simply because I already have such a thing locally. 21:35:42 great 21:35:48 stone off my heart 21:36:25 wakeup_, how do you call it? 21:37:04 I tried to call it twit, dumbass, asshole or bastard, but it only replies if I call it "git". 21:37:14 :D 21:37:50 Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 21:38:05 we could take bill st clair's blog thing, and use git as the backend 21:38:46 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:14 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 21:41:27 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:41:41 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:59 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. 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I get a warning compiling foo.lisp, and then I get a summary at the end listing the undefined functions (BAR). 21:58:35 Is that right? 22:01:33 Well, no, because plain asdf does the same thing. 22:02:24 -!- roychri [~Miranda@drupal.org/user/155209/view] has quit [Quit: And that's the way the cookie crumbles!] 22:04:13 when I start up ccl 1.9 rc1 with my ccl init file (just ql init i think) I get 22:04:15 > Error: Too many arguments in call to #: 22:04:18 > 3 arguments provided, at most 2 accepted. 22:04:36 -!- Fare [~fare@31.37.158.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:05:06 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-144-82.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:05:59 carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:10 MrMc [~user@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:07:08 faheem: most likely an asdf version mismatch. 22:07:24 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF969D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:08:13 prxq: hmm. ccl bundles asdf, right? 22:09:59 Fare [~fare@31.37.158.224] has joined #lisp 22:10:03 uzo [~uzo@adsl-108-73-163-107.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:07 -!- neufeld is now known as neufeld_AFK 22:10:24 -!- agumonkey [~agu@138.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:10:25 reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-158-178.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:12:02 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:07 -!- antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:46 faheem: i have no idea. I'm just saying that the error looks like that 22:13:45 -!- segmond [~uzo@adsl-99-110-98-229.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:13:55 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:59 i think the release notes mentioned 1.9 bundling a "very new" asdf 22:14:02 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:14:02 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:14:48 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 22:15:36 Bike: that's true. not sure how to fix the problem, though 22:18:58 -!- nikodem [~nikodem@user-31-174-96-81.play-internet.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:31 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-22-251.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 22:21:25 -!- user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22:18 -!- ngz [~user@254.83.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:33 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 22:23:04 user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:27:03 -!- user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 22:27:09 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 22:27:21 user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:27:27 skbierm [~sascha@p4FEA037A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:27:55 chameco [~samuel@3.sub-70-192-6.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 22:34:00 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:34:36 rtoyg: you should only get a warning at the end 22:34:46 did you implement reset-deferred-warnings? 22:36:18 -!- user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:36:34 user52882 [~user52882@94-194-53-166.zone8.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:36:41 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d8146dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:36:52 Yes. But trace also seems to indicate none of the functions are getting called. 22:38:25 Obfuscate [~keii@unaffiliated/obfuscate] has joined #lisp 22:39:34 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:41 -!- chameco [~samuel@3.sub-70-192-6.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:42:25 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:11 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:43:46 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-90-138.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:05 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-5d84ec25.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:44:24 -!- skbierm [~sascha@p4FEA037A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:45:01 em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:46:07 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:49:30 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c16c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:49:51 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:07 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:53:42 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:43 -!- emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:58 so, I've been playing with sbcl's profiling facilities, and I'm getting the interesting result of over 8k (make-array) calls, when I only have one explicitly. What sort of functions might be calling it behind the scenes? 22:54:48 the profiler should show it 22:54:57 sb-sprof, at least 22:55:38 use slime-sprof for better experience 22:55:43 eichelbart_ [~eichelbar@91-66-228-114-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:56:18 emma [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has joined #lisp 22:56:35 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@farnsworth.chem.temple.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:51 francogrex [~user@109.134.229.46] has joined #lisp 22:58:33 -!- zejedi [~zejedi@108.222.222.199] has quit [] 22:58:46 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@24.134.88.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:59:14 stassats, is there a way to see what calls a function with the profiler? 22:59:39 it shows the 8k calls, and the function I wrote doesn't call any other functions I've written, and only has make-array in it once 23:00:16 i just said, the statistical profiler will show it 23:00:48 how can I enable the auto-completion present in the slime repl fo all CL buffers? 23:00:51 hi 23:01:01 wakeup_: it is enabled 23:01:01 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:15 what key? 23:01:20 not tab 23:01:31 alt-tab 23:01:34 It is bound to C-c TAB, C-M-i 23:02:06 ok guess I can live with that 23:02:19 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f755d67.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:21 boutade [~user@76.85.161.167] has joined #lisp 23:02:32 -!- replcated [~user@24-217-97-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:02:51 did you live without completion all this time? 23:03:41 I'm trying out the parenscript, but the first example (defining a handler at "/tutorial1") doesn't work in that localhoast:8000/tutorial1 gives me hunchentoot's default 404. 23:03:51 curious to know if the tutorial is known to be broken 23:04:13 (the parenscript tutorial* sorry) 23:04:13 did you start hunchentoot with an easy-acceptor? 23:04:15 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:04:17 not just acceptor 23:04:39 ahh. no I started with 'acceptor 23:05:29 does anyone know how to go about updating the tutorial? http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/tutorial.html is inaccurate. 23:05:54 stassats: yes while programming it makes me think more before I write, when using a scratch buffer though I was missing it 23:06:25 -!- Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:30 drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has joined #lisp 23:06:50 not one of these "it makes me think more" bullshit reasons 23:07:09 if you want to think more, why not write it with a pencil and paper? 23:07:17 stassats: git 23:07:38 boutade: email the authors? that might be a good start. 23:08:36 any idea how to make C- jump to the next s-expression instead of "word"? 23:08:41 sellout-1 [~Adium@65.101.242.214] has joined #lisp 23:08:46 (in emacs) 23:08:53 *drewc* is hoping he is not the author .. has not been parenscript dev in quite a while 23:08:57 -!- emma is now known as em 23:08:59 wakeup_: try C-M- 23:09:01 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:09:11 C-M-f C-M-b 23:09:56 Bike: close, the same but stepping in and out of lists? 23:10:23 wakeup_: that's what up and down are for 23:10:33 wakeup_: also see paredit 23:10:55 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:12:45 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:12:55 *drewc* loves paredit ... sexps, not text, ahhh. 23:13:56 Can I have paredit on C- ? 23:14:14 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:02 -!- ldionmarcil [~user@unaffiliated/maden] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:04 wakeup_: emacs is a lisp system where any key can be bound to any function! 23:16:36 -!- archonix [~unknown@78.90.30.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:17:08 I know... im just lazy... sorry guys! 23:17:21 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 23:17:21 Fare: is my only choice for a pure map interface with eql as the key test? 23:17:33 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:18:14 lduros` [~user@64-121-246-8.c3-0.rdl-ubr1.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 23:18:31 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 23:18:48 -!- MrMc [~user@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:18:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:01 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.62] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:04 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@wirelessNAT188.wireless.temple.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:20:29 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:20:48 drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.109.233] has joined #lisp 23:21:48 minion: plank ? 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I guess I need to buy a Mac to even have an opinion on that :P 23:34:09 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:09 -!- sellout [~Adium@65.101.242.214] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:34:44 it's just a nice search box that can be accessed by hitting a key combination. somewhat like l1sp.org, except offline (: 23:36:52 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:59 -!- wakeup_ [~max@xdsl-89-0-106-194.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:39:25 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 23:39:58 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@166.137.109.233] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:00 -!- stopbit [~stopbit@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:42:24 ahh ... well, my C-c C-d h is a nice key combo! and hitting in on LAMBDA pops my browser up to file:///usr/share/doc/hyperspec/Body/a_lambda.htm :) 23:43:22 *drewc* actually likes OSX and has little to no complaints ... so is just filling time really. 23:47:14 -!- bitonic` is now known as bitonic 23:47:15 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:47:33 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:48:09 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:50:40 tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:53:58 youlysses [~user@75-132-7-80.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:55:02 -!- carlo5m [~carlo5m@c-71-198-252-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:54 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-160-163.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:56:56 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:58:12 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-56-40-229.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]