00:03:34 redline6561_: around? 00:03:47 JerMenKoO [~pi@pat-ip-195-91-108-127.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has joined #lisp 00:03:48 -!- breakds [~breakds@dyn-72-33-177-82.uwnet.wisc.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:21 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:10:47 asdf 00:10:57 ups sorry 00:13:20 stassats: indeed, cl.net runs on Xen on an ancient x86 server, Soon will be on my new server, which is not Xen based at all but rather KernelVM 00:15:11 and minion will likely _not_ be on the same VM as cl.net ... nor will lispaste, though may be the same VM as minion... but not cl.net related at all, so not cl.net boxes. 00:16:36 zacts [~lcc@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 00:18:04 -!- jsfb [~jon@unaffiliated/jsfb] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:22 -!- zacts [~lcc@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Client Quit] 00:18:55 zacts [~lcc@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 00:20:55 So until quicklisp includes asdf 3 one has to load asdf 3 compatible libs "manually". Am I correct? 00:22:16 asdf 3 exists? 00:22:53 http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/ 00:25:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26:07 I just bumped into a lib in quicklisp that uses asdf 3 and can't load it 00:26:14 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 00:32:32 -!- jglh [45c994ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.201.148.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:35 -!- morphling [~stefan@77.0.51.34] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:41:50 -!- leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9B755.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:43:01 If I load the new asdf manually I can load the libs fine. Is it wise though to support asdf 3 before quicklisp and the implementations update? 00:43:01 Kenjin: which one ? 00:43:13 inferior-shell 00:49:20 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.83] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:02 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 00:50:42 -!- arrk13 [~arrakis24@dslb-188-109-195-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 00:52:51 -!- dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:42 So what's the end-goal of Movitz? Is it just a research implementation, is it actually intended to be a base a more modern lisp machine, etc? 00:57:22 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 01:01:54 it's an be ready for gather around OS..... 01:02:14 if it will come true.....maybe it turns into something..... 01:03:24 tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has joined #lisp 01:04:28 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:05:36 youlysses: don't expect too much.... if nobody cares to gather around people who gonna play with it and test it and improve it....it will stay the same even in 100 years..... 01:08:06 wbooze: So basically it is in-part intended to be a base of such a system, but unless it gets more momentum, it's no likely to happen, or? 01:08:22 yep, seems so 01:08:51 multilingual input/output, drivers....etc..... 01:10:02 you can already boot into i think, but you won't have a real OS experience i think.... 01:10:26 mine was already stalled at the input layer stuff...which being only ascii/english or so constrained.... 01:10:40 and i need german for example.... 01:10:53 youlysses: It was part of a thing for a lisp os, with a few other things like the Closure browser. I don't have the webpages on me. 01:11:42 wbooze: What's a "real OS experience"? 01:11:51 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 01:11:58 Anything more than a half-working command line, probably. 01:12:11 Bike: Oh so it started as part of another project, and not independently? 01:12:14 something like linux i mean..... 01:12:42 I think in the end, the goal was also for frodef to get his msc. 01:12:44 and that was also without many things at the beginning..... 01:12:44 tb [~tb@cpe-67-49-139-65.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:13:02 wbooze: You mean the kernel isn't as feature complet as linux, or? (Which I'm assuming is fairly obvious). 01:13:08 youlysses: I don't know about the origins. 01:13:12 It's pretty dead now, anyway. 01:13:35 youlysses: not only kernel, but the userland is totally empty almost..... 01:13:36 lol 01:13:58 wbooze: Oh, so you're comparing to a whole GNU/Linux system? 01:14:10 well yes ofc.... 01:14:16 Not sure what the point of a kernel in lisp would be really. The Linux kernel seems fine, and it has all kinds of dynamic wackiness already. Did you know that at boot time it patches small parts of itself to work better based on the processor architecture? 01:14:26 what should i compare it to else ? it's an OS..... 01:14:48 wbooze: Linux is not an OS, it's a kernel. 01:15:06 well, yes GNU/linux i mean..... 01:15:30 so both ends are open for development ...... 01:17:06 Bike: What the appeal, from what I gather, is the ability to hack your hardware without having to enter some special test environment. Which I do think is pretty cool, I just don't know if it would be worth the effort. That being said, such a system would likely strictly be a hobby OS and not meant for mass use, so I could imagine such a goal not being a huge deal, in a world with VMs. :-P 01:17:33 You can already load and unload kernel modules. 01:17:55 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 01:17:57 Which might be viewed as being unable to leave that special test environment, and not be able to support processes. 01:18:24 Bike: writing application-specific exokernels in CL would be interesting. 01:18:34 It's not that bad an idea, given modern virtualization. 01:18:45 akovalenko [~user@95.73.123.37] has joined #lisp 01:18:46 But it involves a lot of boring work for minimal return. 01:18:47 Hm, now if only I had an application. 01:19:03 Bike: True, but (and this may just be from some evangelists) it's "not the same". 01:20:01 yeah, yeah. I did like that Genera demonstration video that was at some ILC, but a lot of that didn't really seem to be on the kernel level. 01:20:28 Bike: SBCL's GC would likely work much better with ring 0 access to the MMU. 01:20:44 Really, how so? 01:22:00 Bike: Someone in #emacs once told me a story were their was a guy who's wireless driver was messing up, and evidently he fixed it and sent in a patch no Genera in the same session, in the course of about half an hour. :-P 01:23:40 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@cs78241249.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:25:08 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 01:25:19 no need for page protection hacks, instead we can read dirty bits directly. If page protection is still faster, avoiding a user -> kernel -> user -> kernel sequence would be good. We can finally count on dictating our memory map, and can afford a huge heap. Plus, in general, maintaining per-processor structures is quicker than per-thread. 01:25:55 cfy` [~ilisp@122.231.24.9] has joined #lisp 01:26:13 how's sbcl's memory map worked anyway? i'm pretty ignorant but i was looking through source with a C-ish friend who was surprised to see apparently hardcoded addresses all over. 01:26:26 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:27 -!- cfy` [~ilisp@122.231.24.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:44 but yeah, that makes sense. 01:27:06 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 01:27:09 eheh 01:27:46 mostly, we find other seemingly-ok addresses when the runtime stops working on some OS/arch combo. 01:28:00 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:29:15 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:29:20 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 01:29:21 I mean, why use absolute addresses? Is this in internals docs somewhere? 01:31:36 youlysses: obviously, Movitz is designed to be the base to implement the software of the Enterprise 1701 series computer software. 01:31:38 because the original system worked that way, and the assumptions are everywhere. For instance, the address of NIL, T, and other fundamental symbols and functions are sprinkled all over the code we generate. 01:31:43 youlysses: why do you ask? 01:31:50 youlysses: is it not obvious? 01:32:13 pkhuong: Is there another reason beyond that it's old and cleanup would take forever? 01:32:16 It's all so clear now. :-) 01:32:39 ebobby [~fms@189.170.16.14] has joined #lisp 01:33:19 I am playing around a bit and I hit a wall, is it possible to have a parenthesis as a symbol? And if it is possible, how? 01:33:34 it works well. We could do without, but we'd end up with a dynamic linking pass. 01:33:36 ebobby: |(| 01:33:44 aah, excellent 01:33:45 thanks 01:34:27 pkhuong: meaning like, if you loaded a fasl with references to NIL the loading would have to rewrite references to be to wherever NIL is in the image, yeah? 01:34:49 -!- youlysses is now known as youlysses|nap 01:36:21 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:53 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:28 Bike: no, that's actually not too bad. I mean that loading the initial core would have to rewrite references. lichtblau has some work in that direction (so that the dynamic heap can be moved around), but it doesn't track references to the few static symbols and functions. 01:38:43 mm, so you'd increase startup time... 01:39:25 pkhuong: do you know how other implementations (or image-based systems, i dunno, smalltalk, assuming they don't take advantage of VM) do it? 01:40:41 nope. If I were to do it again, I'd try to use OS shared objects. 01:41:16 sensible. i've been wondering about CL's distribution systems, core dumps seem kind of... not great. 01:41:37 -!- JerMenKoO [~pi@pat-ip-195-91-108-127.flarion.as5628.telecom.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:13 It made sense before everyone else invented dynamic linkage. 01:44:30 right, but that was quite a while ago. 01:44:39 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 01:44:44 LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has joined #lisp 01:44:57 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:53 Bike: the current native code implementations were born quite a while ago. 01:46:13 yeah. 01:46:36 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 01:49:31 heh 01:49:40 working through the exercises of PAIP is quite fun 01:50:05 hi again 01:50:27 hello 01:51:32 I'm wrapping my head around CLOS, and thinking "how awesome would it be if they implemented object orientation like CL instead of Java on the new ECMAScript" 01:51:58 are they replacing prototypes? 01:52:07 Wait, I thought ecmascript was mostly like javascript. 01:52:25 univyrse [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:52:35 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 01:52:46 -!- univyrse is now known as sarcasmus 01:52:47 they're discussing making a syntax for classes on the new standard 01:52:55 I think denommus is confused. They're adding syntactic sugar for class constructors. 01:53:21 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@fsf/member/insomniasalt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:28 insomniaSalt [~milan@lvps5-35-242-57.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #lisp 01:53:32 but javascript aint "class" based is it? 01:53:48 Sure it is, depending on what 'class' means. 01:53:51 Zhivago: yeah, probably you're right. Anyway, I thought it would be nice if the syntatic sugar would be similar to SL 01:53:54 *CL 01:54:04 Objects have constructors -- that's their class, essentially. 01:54:06 ebobby: well, it's nothing like Java. 01:54:18 And that's what class-of in CL would discriminate upon. 01:57:47 ...what are they adding besides turning 'function Constructor()' into 'class Constructor()'?... 01:58:21 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.16.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:07 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 02:01:28 Denommus: fwiw, the 'technology' to have multiple-dispatch on prototypes exists, thanks to Slate. 02:01:33 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 02:02:22 sykopomp: is the memory leak (?) issue a problem in practice? 02:03:04 i made a function to extract words from a file and remove the duplicates from them 02:03:36 breakds [~breakds@ppp-70-226-163-93.dsl.mdsnwi.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 02:03:56 it's been several years since I dealt with things, but I don't remember there being a memory leak -- it doesn't keep the objects themselves around, but it -would- keep adding roles to objects. 02:04:56 in practice, though, writing programs with prototypes basically boils down to having some kind of 'class' and a bunch of instances of it, which is what modern optimizations (from Self) take advantage of. You'll probably have bigger memory leak problems due to that than from roles, I think. 02:05:00 bitonic` [~user@b0fe5dc7.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 02:05:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:06:39 Kenjin: herep? 02:06:46 yeah ;) 02:07:14 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-67-100-36.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:58 Kenjin: what's up? 02:08:25 redline6561_: created an issue on coleslaw repo regarding asdf 3 and inferior-shell 02:09:02 ugh. just saw. 02:09:34 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09:58 Punting on that for 12 hours. Will try to figure it out tomorrow. :) 02:10:04 :) 02:10:35 -!- segmond [~segmond@adsl-99-150-134-133.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:17:35 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:32 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:25:32 kal [~kal@173.206.202.207] has joined #lisp 02:33:33 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 02:33:51 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:39:36 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-152-179.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:45:49 -!- qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:45 ikki [~ikki@187.208.194.205] has joined #lisp 02:52:05 -!- tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:52:06 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.194.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:54:32 ebobby [~fms@189.170.16.14] has joined #lisp 02:54:37 -!- 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I'm finding that both of these are resulting in borked windows that cannot receive input and have a white rectangle in place of the window decoration (the bar at the top of the window). I'd like to try to help in fixing this but I'm having a hard time pinpointing the cause. 08:03:04 -!- AntiTyping [~apliszka@74.73.56.156] has quit [Quit: AntiTyping] 08:04:39 good morning 08:05:06 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.82.86] has joined #lisp 08:07:12 excuse my rudeness, good morning! ;) 08:10:31 robot-beethoven: my version (and the docs on edi's page) don't have that function listed at all. 08:10:45 robot-beethoven: cl-fad-ext seems to have a parent-directory function though. 08:12:20 browndawg1 [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has joined #lisp 08:14:43 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.82.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:18:04 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 08:23:03 mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-217-126.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 08:23:03 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-254-217-126.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 08:23:03 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 08:25:59 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:36 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:30:40 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 08:32:02 MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:33:07 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:35:03 -!- browndawg1 [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has left #lisp 08:35:30 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has joined #lisp 08:39:25 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has quit [Client Quit] 08:39:56 -!- doomlord_ [~doomlod@86.171.15.248] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:19 robot-beethoven: no, the behavior is "correct". cl-fad:pathname-parent-directory does not deal with the filename portion of a pathname. "fun" in your example designates a file name, not a directory component. 08:42:18 derrida: i'll notify edi that his site is not up to date, thanks for reporting that. 08:42:56 H4ns: fwiw, i don't see that function in the latest cl-fad from quicklisp. 08:43:40 derrida: right. quicklisp has not been updated to the latest ediware versions either, xach is aware of the problem and will fix it in the next release. 08:43:54 I see 08:45:09 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has joined #lisp 08:47:41 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-25-237-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:49:12 -!- Onii-san [~Casstango@2604:2880::eca8:c063] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:51:27 -!- kal [~kal@173.206.202.207] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:14 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 08:53:38 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:18 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 08:54:39 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.237] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:00:37 -!- Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: die] 09:01:05 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-106-71.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:05:19 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-010-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:07:42 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:08:40 xcombelle_ [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-65-92.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:10:18 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 09:10:59 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-106-71.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:14:43 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:18:42 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.38.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29:37 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 09:31:19 Onii-san [~Casstango@2604:2880::67c0:651b] has joined #lisp 09:35:27 -!- zorkmoid [c2ed8e11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.237.142.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37:45 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-163-241.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 09:39:57 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:41:21 H4ns: would it be more useful if cl-fad:pathname-parent-directory dealt with the filename too? or would that break uses i'm not thinking of? 09:41:45 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:47:12 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:13 Ralt [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 09:55:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.173.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:06:59 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 10:07:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11:59 Guest22406 [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 10:18:54 pnpuff [~ptmd@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 10:19:35 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 10:20:18 Sean_ [~Sean@134-208-2-206.ndhu.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 10:20:56 -!- Sean_ [~Sean@134-208-2-206.ndhu.edu.tw] has left #lisp 10:22:16 pjkj [~pjkj@134-208-2-206.ndhu.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 10:30:05 abeaumont [~abeaumont@83.61.66.235] has joined #lisp 10:32:46 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 10:33:04 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33:22 bitonic` [~user@b0fe5dc7.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 10:33:56 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:35:12 jack_rabbit [~kyle@98.253.60.75] has joined #lisp 10:35:56 Has anyone here used chanl before? 10:36:46 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:36:54 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.73.69] has joined #lisp 10:36:54 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@95.56.73.69] has quit [Changing host] 10:36:54 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:40:37 robot-beethoven: i do not think that cl-fad:pathname-parent-directory should treat pathnames in a special way. cl pathnames are as they are, and a directory pathname namestring ends with a slash. you can use cl-fad:pathname-as-directory if you want to make sure that a string is interpreted as directory pathname 10:45:13 snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:47:09 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-223-84-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 10:47:54 morphling [~stefan@95.117.98.125] has joined #lisp 10:48:15 Does anyone know of a good concurrency library with message-passing? 10:48:26 sb-concurrency, sbcl only 10:49:30 I'll have a look. I've been trying out chanl, but am frustrated with some of its features, and was thinking of investigating cl-muproc. Have you ever used it? 10:49:33 agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:56:34 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 10:56:39 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:14 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:20 -!- davorb [davor@mer.df.lth.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:07:54 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 11:09:09 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:10:34 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 11:10:50 H4ns: i guess the concept i'm looking for is something like 'owner-pathname 11:11:01 davorb [davor@mer.df.lth.se] has joined #lisp 11:11:12 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:11:36 that returns something that would list the original pathame if fed back into (or list-directory walk-directory) 11:12:43 amongst its siblings 11:15:42 foeniks [~fevon@dslb-188-099-247-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:18:07 leoc [~leoc.git@p57B9B755.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:23:40 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.184] has joined #lisp 11:24:07 -!- bitonic` is now known as bitonic 11:25:57 -!- morphling [~stefan@95.117.98.125] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:26:49 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:27:15 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 11:27:19 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 11:29:16 -!- dsp_ [~dsp@technoanimal.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:19 a11r [a11r@183.82.154.125] has joined #lisp 11:31:21 please check my new software, i coded it, any advises would be appreciated. ge.tt/api/1/files/52neqJX/0/blob?download 11:31:26 -!- a11r [a11r@183.82.154.125] has left #lisp 11:33:17 really? 11:33:25 what kind of url is that? 11:33:29 zolk3ri1 [~Zol1ka@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 11:33:50 *stassats`* is not willing to go there 11:34:00 yeah... 11:35:04 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:08 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:39:03 springz [~springz@140.206.36.6] has joined #lisp 11:43:45 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A2D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:30 "google page indexer.exe" 11:44:30 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:47:09 stassats`: it's probably a http:// kind of url. 11:47:38 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 11:48:25 -!- RiskyBlit [~riskyblit@91-66-76-78-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:49:22 Well it's a virus alright. 11:49:23 Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:53:36 AeroNotix [~xeno@abov191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 11:54:23 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:54:40 robot-beethoven: i'm afraid you'll have to code that up 11:54:49 The worst kind of alright. 11:55:36 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 11:55:52 robot-beethoven: maybe you can use cl-fad:pathname-directory-pathname 11:57:11 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 11:58:05 archonix [~unknown@78.90.30.16] has joined #lisp 11:58:16 noi40 [~user@127.98.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 11:58:29 -!- noi40 [~user@127.98.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:49 unicode [~user@127.98.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 11:59:55 -!- reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-89-19.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:00:32 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:01:23 antonv [5d7d2a66@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.102] has joined #lisp 12:01:26 hi 12:01:35 how to prevent SBCL exiting at end of input? 12:02:12 I want it to stay running after the input stream is closed, because it runs hunchentoot 12:02:43 why do you close the input stream? 12:02:50 it's not me 12:02:55 I am running it a heroku 12:03:16 and see that it terminates after successfull start 12:03:21 it is the repl that exits sbcl at the end of the input. don't use the repl if you don't need oit. 12:03:40 you can wait for the hunchentoot thread to terminate from your main thread, for example. 12:03:42 why don't you pass commands as --eval or --load? 12:03:50 --non-interactive ? 12:04:18 stassats`: I run ./sbcl/sbcl-1.0.54-x86-64-linux/run-sbcl.sh --load quicklisp/setup.lisp --eval "(ql:quickload :hunchentoot)" --eval "(hunchentoot:start (make-instance 'hunchentoot:easy-acceptor :port $PORT))" 12:05:51 -!- sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:06:25 sbcl manual says "By default SBCL also exits on end of input, caused either by user pressing Control-D on an attached terminal, or end of input when using SBCL as part of a shell pipeline." 12:06:35 by default, but I don't see how to override this default 12:06:51 antonv: by default, sbcl starts the repl 12:07:07 antonv: you can use --eval to wait for hunchentoot to terminate, for example 12:07:09 H4ns: how to avoid starting the repl? 12:07:22 start something else 12:08:08 --non-interactive option makes it exit after processing options, so I am affraid it will exit after starting hunchentoot 12:08:14 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:24 antonv: use --eval to wait for hunchentoot to terminate 12:08:32 antonv: or to (loop (sleep 1000)) 12:08:38 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 12:09:56 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-149-172-63-75.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:10:47 H4ns: is there a way to run hunchentoot acceptor in the current thread? 12:11:01 antonv: no 12:11:12 I used cl-daemonize to start a daemon process with hunchentoot. Worked pretty well. 12:11:13 antonv: unless you want to use single-threaded mode 12:11:21 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 12:12:17 You could just find the hunchentoot thread and thread-join it. 12:12:43 jack_rabbit: hunchentoot does not expose that at the moment 12:12:49 bummer. 12:13:04  12:13:06 ok 12:15:05 sirdancealot [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:17:38 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:18:29 can't you just list all threads? does hunchentoot give it's threads names? 12:19:04 It appears so. 12:19:06 that be even more brittle than just using the internal symbols of hunchentoot to find the taskmaster thread 12:19:55 most probably, yes. this just coming from someone not familiar with hunchentoot 12:20:46 -!- unicode [~user@127.98.77.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:22:47 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:55 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 12:22:58 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 12:23:49 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 12:24:01 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-176-188.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:24:10 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 12:24:18 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 12:24:38 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:24:48 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abov191.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:26:07 AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 12:26:18 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-7-75.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:29:46 What about running join-thread on all threads except the current thread? 12:30:13 Not quite as bad as searching for hunchentoot's taskmaster by name. 12:31:20 well, if just sleeping is not an option because, well, because, then adding a function to hunchentoot that allows waiting for the taskmaster to terminate would be the next sensible option. 12:31:54 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75627d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 12:33:07 There's a project on github called hunchentoot-daemon that might do what you want. 12:34:31 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #lisp 12:35:07 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:35:59 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:35 add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:48:00 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:21 add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:50:01 add^_^ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:51:56 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:52:17 -!- youlysses|nap [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:53:17 add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:53:24 myx [~myx@188.232.25.203] has joined #lisp 12:53:40 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 12:54:11 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:54:36 doomlord_ [~doomlod@86.171.15.248] has joined #lisp 12:54:48 -!- add^_^ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:56:20 -!- myx [~myx@188.232.25.203] has quit [Client Quit] 12:58:42 arrk13 [~arrakis24@dslb-188-109-195-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:47 -!- bitonic [~user@b0fe5dc7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:47 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-253-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:04:38 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-njuaipejdhrjuknq] has joined #lisp 13:04:38 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-njuaipejdhrjuknq] has quit [Changing host] 13:04:38 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 13:07:14 tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has joined #lisp 13:10:12 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:45 -!- Guest22406 [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:11:33 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:11:48 -!- worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:22 I start my web server using 'sbcl --script', under the control of a command I wrote called 'daemon' that does the needful (and also restarts it if it dies). It is, IMHO, a better way than trying to do everything from within Lisp. 13:13:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.173.108] has joined #lisp 13:13:09 But I guess if the hutchentoot thread has started and the 'script' bit just ends, that's not so helpful. 13:17:42 -!- zolk3ri1 is now known as zolk3ri 13:17:47 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:17:47 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 13:21:04 i just use screen 13:22:03 AntiTyping [~apliszka@74.73.56.156] has joined #lisp 13:24:28 hi, does anybody know a program that automatically draws conses like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cons-cells.svg ? 13:25:00 minion: gentle? 13:25:01 gentle: "Common Lisp: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" is a smoother introduction to lisp programming. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 13:25:18 urandom__ [~user@p54B0E988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:25:33 puchacz: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Lisp/sdraw/ 13:25:33 screen/tmux will work, but they tie your program to a terminal. Anyway, rather far afield from Lisp. 13:25:44 stassats`: thanks 13:28:53 -!- doomlord_ [~doomlod@86.171.15.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:30:17 mmeeca [~UdMHTYiI@186.208.71.74] has joined #lisp 13:30:21 zolk3ri hi 13:33:03 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu went back to savannah ~] 13:33:46 vasily_pupkin [~avatar@alpha.alxchk.me] has joined #lisp 13:34:17 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 13:34:30 -!- tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:45 -!- springz [~springz@140.206.36.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:36:25 springz [~springz@123.155.66.235] has joined #lisp 13:36:45 -!- mmeeca [~UdMHTYiI@186.208.71.74] has quit [K-Lined] 13:36:52 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:37:27 malphado [~ZHBIFP@186.65.100.155] has joined #lisp 13:37:50 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 13:38:08 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 13:38:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@87-188.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:39:32 -!- pnpuff [~ptmd@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: "non confundar in aeternum"] 13:40:16 LiamH [~none@96.231.218.61] has joined #lisp 13:42:38 -!- malphado [~ZHBIFP@186.65.100.155] has quit [K-Lined] 13:43:43 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 13:44:49 LordOrk [~sXEdam@58.218.185.113] has joined #lisp 13:45:06 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 13:45:10 danlentz [~danlentz@68.37.70.235] has joined #lisp 13:45:22 bitonic [~user@dyn1220-143.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:46:01 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:34 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 13:47:09 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 13:47:30 -!- LordOrk [~sXEdam@58.218.185.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:29 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:35 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 13:54:43 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has joined #lisp 13:57:31 Vivitron [~Vivitron@98.110.213.33] has joined #lisp 14:00:43 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@98.110.213.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:22 Vivitron` [~Vivitron`@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:02:07 -!- xcombelle_ is now known as xcombelle 14:03:42 doomlord_ [~doomlod@86.171.15.248] has joined #lisp 14:05:20 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.15.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:06:13 -!- Ralt [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:40 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.92.1] 14:11:35 -!- snowylike [~sn@91-67-171-156-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - 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I wish I did 15:19:14 just stop doing everything else 15:19:35 I'm learning php and zend framework for my job right now 15:20:02 it hurts 15:20:31 well, quit your job then! 15:20:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:20:56 I'll get right on that :) 15:21:27 -!- karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:21:28 zejedi: php. eww. sorry, just had to say that. 15:23:22 $var = !empty($data['var']) ? $data['var'] : ''; 15:23:29 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 15:23:47 please, take this elsewhere 15:23:50 zejedi: that's enough 15:24:29 come over to the dark side! muhuhahaha 15:24:33 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-184-228.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:09 skbierm [~sascha@79.234.5.107] has joined #lisp 15:25:25 i've got an error creating a CCL interface database for a gnustep header file. i'm in the process of writing to the gnustep header maintainers, but the chances are they don't know anything about the specifics of the prolem. Anyone got better ideas? The error is shown at https://bitbucket.org/faheem/ccl-debian/src/tip/build_interface_databases.m4 15:25:43 that should have been - gnustep debian maintainers 15:26:22 i guess i could also ask the ccl people, not that they are exactly helpful. 15:34:35 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:36:26 merdim [~VGZhDwX@202.69.107.170] has joined #lisp 15:36:57 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.219] has joined #lisp 15:37:57 rmathews [~roshan@122.164.81.210] has joined #lisp 15:39:32 The CCL people make a living out of supporting it. I'm pretty sure they know how to be helpful. 15:41:25 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:41:35 There has been a lot of spammy junk on lisppaste. Is there any way of notifying the person who runs it? 15:44:30 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:47:03 -!- merdim [~VGZhDwX@202.69.107.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:32 silly newbie type question: I have a list of lists of numbers, like this: ((1 2) (3 4)) and want to sum the elements in the list, to get something like (3 6) is there a simple/short way? 15:51:13 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 15:51:26 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 15:51:32 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75627d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:52:00 puchacz: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.picture.cons-to-ascii:draw-list '(42 69 613)) 15:53:16 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:30 faheem: I doubt you have a command named CCL_PATH. 15:53:50 Otherwise, it if hadn't been a bash questions, indeed it would have been a ccl question to be addressed to #ccl. 15:54:11 nialo: (mapcar (lambda (x) (reduce #'+ x)) '((1 2) (3 4))) 15:54:21 faheem: remember: you can write your scripts in lisp, you don't have to write them in bash! 15:54:37 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 15:55:20 nialo: an intersting, but not practical way: (mapcar #'reduce '(+ +) '((1 2) (3 4))) 15:55:42 huh 15:55:53 tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has joined #lisp 15:55:55 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 15:56:21 robot-be` [~user@24.118.142.0] has joined #lisp 15:57:38 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@24.118.142.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:40 (mapcar #'reduce '#1=(+ . #1#) '((1 2) (3 4))) is even more interesting 15:59:17 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:31 oh, I mistyped my example in a particularly confusing way. I want ((1 2) (3 4)) to return (4 6) instead of (3 7), summing the first elements and second elements of each list, instead of summing the sub-lists 15:59:42 *akovalenko* wishes that mapcar on circular lists were defined behavior. 16:00:26 nialo: is there just two elements in each sub-list? 16:00:58 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.93.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:01:13 ideally any number, but if there needs to be a fixed one that 3 elements would be best 16:01:35 akovalenko: mapcar only makes sense on a sequence 16:02:34 fe[nl]ix: not if there are two lists 16:02:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03:39 mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.20] has joined #lisp 16:03:39 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@81.2.103.20] has quit [Changing host] 16:03:39 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:03:43 nialo: well, it's just as easy, just swap mapcar and reduce around 16:04:02 (reduce (lambda (x y) (mapcar #'+ x y)) '((1 2 5) (3 4 6))) => (4 6 11) 16:04:39 nice, thanks :) 16:04:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:18 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.183.252] has joined #lisp 16:08:15 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 16:08:25 hi! 16:10:09 stassats: what if he wanted any number of lists rather than just two? 16:10:26 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:50 zejedi: what do you mean? 16:10:58 -!- robot-be` [~user@24.118.142.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:11:36 this works with arbitrary number of elements in lists and sub-lists 16:11:42 Jubb [~ghost@108.28.62.61] has joined #lisp 16:11:54 like, (reduce (lambda (x y z) (mapcar #'+ x y z)) '((1 2 5) (3 4 6) (7 8 9))), (reduce (lambda (x y z a) (mapcar #'+ x y z a)) '((1 2 5) (3 4 6) (7 8 9) (11 12 13))), etc. 16:12:06 stassats: well, sequences 16:12:18 am I making sense? 16:12:20 I've actually run that example on a list with 4 sub lists just fine 16:12:20 mapcar doesn't work on sequences 16:12:27 zejedi: no. read the specification for reduce. 16:12:36 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:12:40 ok 16:13:09 my bad 16:14:10 -!- tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:21 stassats: I was confused when I saw that and I thought I was just too dumb to understand. Thank you 16:14:42 -!- antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-126-155.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:14:53 saw what? 16:15:16 (apply 'mapcar '+ '((1 2 5) (3 4 6) (7 8 9)))? 16:15:18 pkhuong: maybe if you pay them money 16:16:12 Vivitron`: no apply 16:17:09 pjb: CCL_PATH is used by m4. as regards writing scripts in lisp, tell that to the CCL maintainers. it's their script. i just patched it. 16:17:33 stassats: the mapcar on the sequence 16:18:20 -!- foeniks [~fevon@dslb-188-099-241-118.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:23 mapcar is for lists only 16:20:07 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:22:33 myx [~myx@188.232.25.203] has joined #lisp 16:23:56 pjb: thanks 16:25:23 AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 16:25:32 faheem: sorry, I didn't read the comments inside the script. 16:26:10 -!- agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:27:06 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:27:55 faheem: it looks like the problem is a difference in the arguments passed to the compiler/pre-processors. man gcc and see if there's something about native-objc-exception. Check the populate.sh script. 16:29:00 pjb: i found http://stpetrus27.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/compile-objective-c-programs-on-linux/ 16:29:19 i'll try passing `gnustep-config --objc-flags` 16:29:35 agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:25 normanrichards [~normanric@108.178.71.21] has joined #lisp 16:32:16 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:32:53 You can write: export CFLAGS="" before h-to-ffi.sh in populate.sh to set the right flags. 16:32:57 whoa, that is a lot of flags 16:33:24 Yep. 16:33:58 pjb: yeah, maybe. 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Are there any packages/libs for that? 17:16:18 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 17:21:40 -!- MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:41 I'd run-program. 17:22:29 zenja [~zenja@82.131.1.98.cable.starman.ee] has joined #lisp 17:23:42 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 17:23:42 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-99-183.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:23:52 -!- techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:24:33 breakds [~breakds@71-87-87-24.dhcp.krny.ne.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:24:49 techlife [techlife@112.249.91.29] has joined #lisp 17:25:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:25:08 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-65-92.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:35 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 17:31:44 alphaa__ [~PFWDse@202.69.107.170] has joined #lisp 17:32:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.250.55] has joined #lisp 17:32:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.250.55] has quit [Changing host] 17:32:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:36:34 MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:09 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:38:29 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:41:30 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:21 -!- alphaa__ [~PFWDse@202.69.107.170] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:48 -!- MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:46:59 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@108.178.71.21] has quit [] 17:49:30 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 17:50:10 Bike_ [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:26 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0] 17:51:33 Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 17:53:14 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:53:46 -!- Ralt [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:54:06 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:54:31 why the documentation function doesn't have a documentation? 17:55:13 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@81.217.181.184] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 17:55:16 whether it does is implementation-defined. luckily, you have the hyperspec. 17:55:37 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:09 zajn [~zajn@c-67-182-61-90.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:27 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ygthcnhjkkehuqnn] has joined #lisp 17:56:27 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ygthcnhjkkehuqnn] has quit [Changing host] 17:56:27 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 18:00:38 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 18:02:05 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:02:06 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02:09 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:02:09 it certainly has documentation in sbcl 18:03:55 MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:05:50 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 18:07:45 -!- jonasac [jonasac@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:f8f1] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 18:08:26 groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has joined #lisp 18:08:39 nikodemus: how do I see the documentation's documentation, then? 18:08:52 I'm trying to (documentation 'documentation 't) 18:09:20 (documentation 'documentation 'function) 18:09:33 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09:41 (documentation #'documentation t) 18:09:53 oh, it worked 18:10:12 Bike_'s solution worked, to be precise 18:10:19 i guess you wouldn't know that, not having access to its documentation 18:10:21 Are there any libs I can extract tar.gz with? 18:10:27 Denommus: on SBCL (describe 'some-name) is pretty nice too 18:10:48 since it tells you about derived types and such as well 18:10:54 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 18:11:01 Denommus: does that mean that my solution didn't? 18:11:07 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.183.252] has left #lisp 18:11:12 stassats: yeah, that's NIL on sbcl 18:11:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:24 stassats: exactly. Yours returns nil 18:11:48 then it's a bug in sbcl 18:11:54 lolno 18:12:16 describe is great 18:13:55 kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d029b3a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:59 (documentation #'documentation t) works in 1.0.42.10, can't test the current one, since i have it built without sb-doc 18:14:03 stassats: with "t", documentation should accept any doc-type, am I right? If I am, I guess it seems like a bug, indeed 18:14:48 let's see, i'm in 1.0.57.66-5783625 18:14:57 ikki [~ikki@187.208.245.235] has joined #lisp 18:15:07 Denommus: what? 18:15:26 1.0.57.0 here 18:15:57 Bike: forget it, I'm a noob 18:16:16 1.1.3 here 18:17:01 stassats: looks like we have a regression 18:17:13 -!- kmels_ [~kmels@77.2.135.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:17:29 ok, it's (progn (defgeneric test () (:documentation "doc")) (setf (documentation 'test 'function) "test") (list (documentation #'test t) (documentation 'test 'function))) => ("doc" "test") 18:18:35 -!- BerntH [~BerntH@about/essy/coffeeAddict/Thumper] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:47 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:19:58 stassats: the problem is that (setf (documentation 'gf-name 'function) ...) saves into random-documentation, but (documentation #'gf-name t) look in the #'documentation slot 18:20:12 yeah, i see it 18:20:34 it's not limited to generic functions 18:22:30 nikodemus: will you handle it? 18:22:52 zolk3ri: quicklisp has code to extract a tarball. 18:23:17 do you recommend any book about Object Oriented design that takes features similar to CLOS into consideration? 18:23:18 not today, and probably not next week either. next good sbcl slot is probably two weeks away 18:23:26 I'm just too used to the Java way of thinking :( 18:23:32 nikodemus: ok, i'll handle it then, tomorrow perhaps 18:23:38 great, thanks! 18:23:52 minion: tell Denommus about pcl-book 18:23:52 Denommus: look at pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 18:24:10 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1220-143.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:24:11 there's also the kleene book 18:24:20 nikodemus: not sure what's the best way, perhaps, store in the random doc if the fdefinition's name is different from the asked name, then store in the random-doc 18:24:27 stassats: only on sbcl. ccl, clisp and ecl return ("test" "test"). cmu return (nil "test")). 18:24:29 sorry, keene 18:24:54 nikodemus: yeah, I just read both of the chapters about CLOS, and I more or less understood how it works. And now I'm thinking "ok... wtf is all this?" 18:24:56 stassats: my instinct would be to store in the object if possible 18:25:24 Denommus: write some code. a lot of code. you need to experience and expriment to learn 18:25:46 ok. I'll start right now. Thank you 18:26:09 nikodemus: your commit was intended for "(setf (symbol-function 'foo) #'car) (setf (documentation 'foo 'function) "Return the name of frobniz.") should not change the docstring of #'CAR." 18:26:10 Denommus: with CLOS and MOP it is important to understand what you're not expected to be using all the exotic facilities all the time 18:26:29 ah. right 18:26:29 checking for name discrepancy should not change that property 18:26:54 maybe we should add a documentation slot for closures -- or a weak hash table 18:27:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:27:16 but your heuristic dounds fine 18:28:42 looks like the same thing is with method-combination docs 18:29:23 ugh it's been way too long since I coded anything in the MOP 18:29:29 Denommus: you just need to know they're there. of course if you never experiment with them you won't realize when they're a good fit, but... defclass, defgeneric, defmethod, and standard method combinations cover 98% of CLOS usage. custom method combinations and basic MOP usage cover the 1.8%. the rest is ... marginalia 18:29:51 -> time to eat 18:29:54 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:31:57 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@71.185.82.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:24 it doesn't look like method combinations have names 18:35:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:35:44 antgreen [~green@dsl-207-112-126-155.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 18:36:13 linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:56 -!- agumonkey [~agu@177.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:39:48 agumonkey [~agu@5.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:40:06 drmeister [~drmeister@71.185.82.146] has joined #lisp 18:43:17 -!- Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:45:14 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:51 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:56 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 18:53:52 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:26 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.25.200] has joined #lisp 19:00:11 -!- MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:51 add^_ [~add^_@m83-190-165-4.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 19:03:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:05:06 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:06:07 normanrichards [~normanric@adsl-67-64-66-5.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:12 how does CL looks for a file? 19:07:42 I'm trying to run this particular method: (sdl:load-image #p"space_imgs/nave1.png" :image-type :png) 19:08:06 but sbcl says the file doesn't exist. But I'm seeing it there 19:08:29 there where? 19:08:43 it merges the path with *default-pathname-defaults* first 19:09:31 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:10:17 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.239] has joined #lisp 19:11:43 zulu_inuoe_ [~quassel@184.89.111.53] has joined #lisp 19:13:06 Hello! Has anyone by chance had issues with opening up cl-glut windows through SLIME on Windows? I'm pretty sure it's due to the process not being the 19:13:09 main thread* 19:13:35 er the window spawner not being in the main thread * 19:14:19 well, yes, it's because of that 19:14:49 *|3b|* didn't think windows cared which thread you used 19:14:52 Know any simple way around it? I know that you can force the Win32 API to play nicely with out-of-main-thread windows n stuff 19:15:20 3b: Yes it does, iirc 19:15:21 <|3b|> main problem i had on windows was finding the right glut dll 19:15:21 zulu_inuoe_: spawn it from *inferior-lisp* instead of the SLIME REPL. 19:15:44 *|3b|* supposes i was mostly using a single threaded lisp last time i used glut and windows though 19:16:14 ebobby [~fms@189.170.16.14] has joined #lisp 19:16:49 hello 19:17:41 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@mx.theobject.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:21 pkhuong: Seems to do the same thing, unless (and it's very likely) I'm doing something wrong. I switched to the *inferior-lisp* buffer and spawned it there. (New to slime) 19:19:36 pretty sure that's still the initial thread on win32. 19:19:58 skbierm1 [~sascha@p4FEA0803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 19:21:48 -!- skbierm [~sascha@79.234.5.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:22:58 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 19:23:05 -!- linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 19:23:34 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:05 AFAIK Win32 only wants to have the win32 context in one thread and not used by different threads 19:28:27 OSX is the one that craps out if you access UI from outside initial thread 19:31:31 MrMc [~quassel@91.64.125.247] has joined #lisp 19:31:35 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:35:51 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:35:56 p_l: *Shrug* If I manually start up the swank server (via running sbcl myself instead of having emacs do it) it seems to magically be fine with opening up a window from either the slime-repl or the sbcl repl 19:36:15 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@adsl-67-64-66-5.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has quit [] 19:36:23 so I'll do that until I have time to figure out why. 19:36:43 <|3b|> what error/symptoms do you get? 19:36:48 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:37:09 |3b|: No errors. Glut goes into its main loop, and I need no window spawn 19:37:32 So it hangs my REPL as per the norm 19:39:06 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:39:30 ASau [~user@46.115.34.9] has joined #lisp 19:46:21 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:46:31 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Client Quit] 19:47:19 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:47:38 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@71.185.82.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:49 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:28 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:53:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:59:02 -!- breakds [~breakds@71-87-87-24.dhcp.krny.ne.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:00:26 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 20:00:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:02:04 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 20:03:53 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@91.77.173.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:12:07 zulu_inuoe_: I had SDL misbehave while launching stuff from slime on OSX. I use this https://gist.github.com/4583919 and set swank:*communication-style* to :fd-handler in .swank.lisp. 20:13:09 -!- Ralt_ [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:22 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.164] has joined #lisp 20:15:26 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.220] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:36 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:22:41 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 20:24:43 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:24:58 normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:25:45 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has joined #lisp 20:26:02 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-223-84-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:26:47 hydan [~udzinari@ip-89-102-13-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 20:27:08 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.245.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:29:07 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 20:29:44 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-223-84-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 20:30:12 -!- skbierm1 [~sascha@p4FEA0803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:32:50 skbierm1 [~sascha@79.234.6.231] has joined #lisp 20:34:34 CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 20:36:33 ok this might not make sense but is there a way to discard the lisp session completely and purge all the variables i've defined in the repl? 20:36:52 ,restart-inferior-lisp 20:36:52 -!- archonix [~unknown@78.90.30.16] has quit [Quit: Read error: Connection reset by beer] 20:38:39 thats not working for me 20:38:59 sarcasmus: aren't you using slime? 20:39:00 M-x slime-restart-inferior-lisp 20:39:01 gives an error about comma not being in backquote, but even when it I put it in a backquote, it doesnt work 20:39:02 no 20:39:10 I'm using a plain terminal and sbcl 20:39:12 Then type (quit) 20:39:17 or (sb-ext:quit) 20:39:25 and then sbcl RET again. 20:39:40 surely there's a less monotonous way 20:39:45 (or start using SLIME) 20:39:47 Nope. 20:39:49 it's actually sb-ext:exit now. 20:40:04 sarcasmus: you're asking for lisp to be restarted, so, do that. 20:40:06 sarcasmus: you'd have to destroy and rebuild the package you're working in, if you want to do it without restarting your lisp... and everything you've changed outside it. 20:40:14 emacs is terrible on my arthritis with its key combos 20:40:20 Well, just put (defun quit () (sb-ext:exit) #| or whatever the function du jour is|#) in your ~/.sbclrc 20:40:27 sarcasmus: if you want to have an easy base configuration, sb-ext:save-lisp-and-die may help you 20:40:29 ehu [~ehu@109.38.226.245] has joined #lisp 20:40:33 pjb im thinking about doing that 20:40:45 pjb: what's the point of that? 20:40:52 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:40:54 user interface. 20:41:00 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-223-84-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:41:31 sarcasmus: then change the key combos? you'd prefer to work 16 hours a day in a terminal, whereas we can do the same amount in 8 hours... that leaves my hands 16 hours of resting... (also, dvorak helps a lot, and some people use slimv because of the key combos) 20:42:02 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 20:42:22 im not asking for your opinion on my setup, i was just asking if there was a simple way to restart lisp, you smug prick 20:42:50 sarcasmus: exit the program, and start it again. that's what you'll be doing on terminal. 20:42:57 yeah, i will 20:43:10 Is there a simple way to restart any program? 20:43:15 sarcasmus: and we are trying to help, you disrespectful fool. 20:43:18 The emacs thing I suggested at first is basically the same, it just keeps emacs running and connects to a restarted lisp. 20:43:25 mad, welcome to /ignore 20:43:33 madnificent: don't bother. 20:43:38 Bike: i do bother! 20:44:08 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 20:44:33 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 20:44:56 pjb: the reason it changed from quit to exit is because they redid the interface completely, also. quit is now deprecated. i think they wrote a big long thing about it in the changelog since it's an API change and all. 20:45:49 (quit) still works fine 20:45:52 sb-ext:quit is not going anywhere anytime soon 20:48:43 nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has joined #lisp 20:48:51 -!- _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:33 i just made a keyboard macro to restart sbcl for me, so I guess that works just as well 20:49:56 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.38.226.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:50:36 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:51:02 careful there, soon you'll end up with an emacs clone 20:51:14 doubt it, I really cant stand emacs 20:51:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-239-75.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:51:52 that sounded sarcastic 20:52:06 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 20:52:11 on the contrary, it was sincere 20:52:53 Ralt [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 20:53:33 ehu [~ehu@109.38.9.68] has joined #lisp 20:53:48 sarcasmus: better than plain terminal + sbcl, use "rlwrap sbcl" 20:54:09 sarcasmus: what's your favorite editor? 20:54:37 what's your issue with emacs? If it's Emacs Lisp, I can understand 20:55:15 i really don't care for an emacs-intolerance discussion, can you take it to #emacs? thanks 20:56:01 stassats: it's not only about you 20:56:12 you might also want to look at the linedit package if you work directly on terminal 20:56:49 stassats: I just find issues with the editor interesting. Sorry 20:56:52 ehu` [~ehu@5ED1D7B5.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 20:57:52 prxq: is that so? 20:57:58 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.38.9.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:39 what 20:59:42 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00:27 oh emacs has terrible key combos, im not going to reconfig, and its community is mostly self important twats. im not learning to use an editor, im learning a language 21:00:37 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 21:01:15 -!- ehu` [~ehu@5ED1D7B5.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:01:33 and im not writing my code from the terminal, im just interacting with my lisp from terminal 21:01:44 im using my favorite text editor to actually write 21:02:21 thanks for sharing, it's really insightful 21:02:32 -!- arrk13 [~arrakis24@dslb-188-109-195-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 21:02:40 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs27127210.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:18 thanks for proving my point, it's really convenient 21:03:40 glad to be of help 21:03:52 ya did good 21:04:03 sarcasmus: it's kind of funny that you say that the emacs community is mostly self-important twats. Seems to me you'd fit right in 21:04:44 BrianRice [~water@c-24-18-219-78.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:03 (if that were so) 21:05:05 im not self important, but i dont waste time with things that im not interested in 21:05:41 so you are narrow-minded and proud of it? 21:05:56 narrow minded is inaccurate 21:06:08 i wouldnt know how terrible emacs was if I hadnt tried it before 21:06:17 can't you really take this elsewhere? 21:06:21 sarcasmus: also, what /is/ your favority editor? 21:06:29 go pester #lispcafe or something 21:06:55 im not the one stimulating this conversation 21:07:05 mostly because it might have bindings for lisp, which might solve your problem 21:07:09 im content to sit here, but its rude to ignore someone like you trying to converse with me 21:07:36 Hello 21:07:44 Are there any good parsing libraries? 21:07:48 *madnificent* must be on his /ignore, which is really ironic right now :) 21:07:53 I'm trying to write an interactive fiction game 21:07:59 sarcasmus: i'm not asking you specifically, just whoever wants to insult each other based on editor preference 21:08:11 Bike: when I say user interface, I'm thinking more toward the user. I define a quit function on all implementations, so that I don't have to care about the local idiosyncrasies. 21:08:18 I'm *still* hoping for hemlock, but until then I'd recommend slimv for non-emacs users. 21:08:18 stassats, like I said, I'm totally content to idle 21:08:27 pjb: i guess that's fair 21:08:40 pjb: why not :quit? 21:08:44 Corvidium: and ... :) 21:08:48 And similarly, I can understand that sarcasmus wants a specific interface. 21:08:57 madnificent: ? 21:08:58 i really dont 21:09:07 sarcasmus: you should define yourself a restart function that will exec a new sbcl instance. 21:09:11 i was just wondering about a single function that didnt exist 21:09:16 Corvidium: what do you need to parse? (i missed the first question, sorry) 21:09:24 thats all i was asking about 21:09:48 pjb, i wrote a keyboard macro with my keyboard to just exit sbcl and restart it. 21:09:57 Corvidium: it's almost certainly overkill for you, but there was a post on planet yesterday about NLP. http://lisp-univ-etc.blogspot.com/2013/02/natural-language-meta-processing-with.html 21:10:22 Wait, just a sec 21:10:26 I'll be right back 21:10:45 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:48 sarcasmus: If you are a vim user (like me), try slimv. 21:11:21 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 21:12:04 mindCrime [~prhodes@2001:470:e435:2:9eb7:dff:fec3:d408] has joined #lisp 21:12:42 Corvidiu1 [~cosman246@c-24-56-228-105.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:27 -!- Corvidium [~cosman246@c-24-56-228-105.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:13:33 -!- Corvidiu1 is now known as Corvidium 21:13:39 So as I was saying 21:13:43 any parsing libraries? 21:14:05 minion: cl-yacc? 21:14:06 cl-yacc: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/cl-yacc 21:14:08 a couple. Search in cliki.net 21:14:45 Corvidium: what do you need to parse? 21:15:12 madnificent: I'm trying to write an interactive fiction game 21:15:20 -!- Ralt [~ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:23 is there something like perl 6's parser for cl? rules, etc.? 21:15:33 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:15:34 -!- zenja [~zenja@82.131.1.98.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:15:43 Corvidium: which doesn't really limit the options for user interaction... you want them to type sentences? 21:15:58 verbs, one or two arguments 21:16:07 Corvidium: perhaps things like "use table" are enough then... 21:16:10 i think he wants a primitive natural language processor, or some sort of keyword processing 21:16:12 but the undergirder is complex 21:16:31 e.g. I need to disambiguate between items to pick up etc. etc. 21:16:50 Corvidium: we have a porter stemmer available, that's related 21:17:29 ikki [~ikki@187.208.245.235] has joined #lisp 21:17:34 madnificent: link? 21:18:39 http://www.cliki.net/PorterStemmer 21:18:51 flip214: aren't you reading http://planet.lisp.org? 21:19:47 madnificent: thanks, I suppose that can help 21:19:54 -!- agumonkey [~agu@5.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:20:32 Corvidium: aside from that, given that you'll stick to a limited set of sentences, you could transform the command of the user to a set of symbols, and dispatch a method on those. i'd likely end up with a DSL based on some macros to make it manageable though. 21:20:34 agumonkey [~agu@86.72.217.5] has joined #lisp 21:22:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@109.134.155.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:22:28 in the simplest case you could call the method VERB with all the arguments that were given to it as symbols (just READing the symbols is a security threat, but it may not be a big deal if you're running the code on the client's machine and if the game is open source). it would give you a low overhead in terms of what you need to implement. 21:23:25 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:24:09 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 21:24:21 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bbb124.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 21:25:51 madnificent: true, I suppose.... 21:26:11 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@91.176.8.115] has joined #lisp 21:26:11 -!- My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@91.176.8.115] has quit [Changing host] 21:26:11 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:27:48 Is smug any good? 21:28:53 -!- MrMc [~quassel@91.64.125.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:15 i've heard good things about it. 21:32:03 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:32:06 -!- My_Hearing is now known as Mon_Ouie 21:32:59 My_Hearing [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:33:08 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:36:25 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.164.81.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:37:46 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:46 -!- leoc` [~leoc.git@p57B9AD78.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:37:54 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.33.88] has joined #lisp 21:38:31 leoc` [~leoc.git@p57AA6278.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:39 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:41:05 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:09 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@1.148.127.173] has joined #lisp 21:41:38 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:41:51 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:19 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:33 francisl [~anonymous@bas3-montreal42-1242354060.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 21:43:34 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 21:44:01 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d997.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:45:33 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.33.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:47:15 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-253-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:51 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.26.30] has joined #lisp 21:48:59 damn, slime is polluting my minibuffer 21:49:37 Corvidium: with what? 21:51:48 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@98.253.60.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52:18 toxic sludge, most likely. maybe CFCs 21:54:28 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-34-33.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:55:08 -!- agumonkey [~agu@86.72.217.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:55:58 agumonkey [~agu@30.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:05 morphling [~stefan@95.117.98.125] has joined #lisp 21:57:48 worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.16] has joined #lisp 21:58:07 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl19-253-7.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 21:58:26 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:58:35 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:59:19 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 22:00:25 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:18 -!- rmathews [~roshan@122.174.26.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:04:38 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:05 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 22:07:35 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:08:20 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@2001:470:e435:2:9eb7:dff:fec3:d408] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:46 mindCrime [~prhodes@2001:470:e435:2:9eb7:dff:fec3:d408] has joined #lisp 22:11:37 MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 22:11:51 -!- Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:12:19 -!- agumonkey [~agu@30.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:14:25 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:14:56 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 22:16:07 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:17:24 tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-180.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 22:23:50 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:24:53 zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has joined #lisp 22:26:32 -!- sarcasmus [~univyrse@71-82-19-203.static.mtgm.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:37 meiji11 [~user@d50-99-49-90.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:06 -!- leoc` [~leoc.git@p57AA6278.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:30:27 -!- MrMc [~quassel@91-64-125-247-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 22:30:42 Do you guys know if mel-base has a function to convert encoded strings like "=?utf-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Szostak?=" into a unicode string? 22:31:02 There's tons of code, and not much documentation, it seems. 22:31:45 url-rewrite no longer in edict? 22:31:58 s/edict/edicl/ 22:33:02 should that help? that's unrelated to IDN 22:34:12 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:34:31 there's mel.internal:decode-quoted-printable-header, but it seems to choke on the above string 22:38:01 I'm trying to get back to programming, and am therefore writing a simple CL interface to Pocket API (getpocket.com). Now, it seemed simple enough, but apparently I need to authenticate the user via OAuth 2.0 to do anything, and I'm having trouble understanding how that works. In particular, instructions talk about redirect_uri, which will be called after the user authenticates. Is that actually supposed to be a valid URI that c 22:38:53 Do I really need a webserver to use the frigging Pocket API? And set up NAT so that my application could listen for the callback from the outside world? 22:38:59 That seems a bit over the top. 22:40:08 is there anything in Common Lisp like fseek? 22:40:20 Fare [~fare@109.106.94.146] has joined #lisp 22:40:46 clhs file-position 22:40:47 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_file_p.htm 22:40:53 ty 22:47:30 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:54 youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:52:18 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:20 so ccl and sbcl have the same external process api afaik except for the package the symbols are from. How do I easily write portable code for those two implementations without repeating myself? 22:52:35 I'd like to avoid 22:52:58 conditional compilation directives followed by copied and pasted code 22:54:54 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.208.245.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:54:59 -!- tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-180.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:55:18 ikki [~ikki@187.208.245.235] has joined #lisp 22:55:47 -!- morphling [~stefan@95.117.98.125] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:56:11 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 22:56:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:56:40 tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-180.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:07 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:08:42 -!- groovy2shoes [~cory@unaffiliated/groovebot] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 23:08:47 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 23:13:21 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF8339.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:45 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 23:13:55 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:13:59 -!- youlysses [~user@75-132-17-145.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:21:05 -!- p8m [~asdf@67.210.179.76] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:24:57 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:26:02 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.211.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:26:48 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:27:48 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.16.14] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:29:50 tigranes: many oauth enabled web services give you a way to generate tokens for their api that you can use without individual callbacks, for development purposes 23:30:30 tigranes: if tokens do not expire quickly, you can also generate tokens using some script and then enter them into your program. 23:30:48 tigranes: there is a python script floating around the net that is commonly used for that purpose. 23:32:00 tigranes: i've been using cl-oauth. it is not perfect, but i could get it to work for all the stuff that i needed. oauth is, well, like, you know, i kind of hate it. 23:32:07 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:06 -!- Fare [~fare@109.106.94.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:35:03 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:36:15 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:37:48 H4ns: Yeah, from what I've been seeing about it, some people who were involved with the design also rather hate it. 23:37:58 H4ns: Thanks for the tip, I will look into that. 23:38:53 *madnificent* likes the single sign-on without a single governing entity controlling it all 23:39:19 zacts` [~user@174-28-187-142.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:39:32 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@abnz234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 23:39:35 wat? 23:40:18 -!- zacts [~user@unaffiliated/zacts] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:42:16 nevermind 23:42:30 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:49 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d029b3a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:44:35 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:46:01 -!- tigranes [~tigranes@static-50-53-64-180.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:46:45 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:47:17 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 23:48:05 any ideas how to get rid of this note? http://paste.lisp.org/display/135208 23:50:30 dous [~dous@unaffiliated/dous] has joined #lisp 23:50:50 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 23:52:17 that's annoying... no reasonable fix comes to mind, though. 23:52:38 sbcl outsmarted itself, right? :) 23:52:49 Denommus [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/denommus] has joined #lisp 23:53:33 -!- Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:56 Strigoides [~owen@60-234-213-126.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 23:55:11 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-010-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:55:29 sepisultrum: (defpackage :process-api (:use #+ccl :ccl #+sbcl :sb-process #|or whatever|#) (:export :run-program :external-process-input )) 23:56:43 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]