00:00:09 merlin_ [~merlin@31.45.153.111] has joined #lisp 00:00:24 heh .. GC ... there is not a specified GC for the CL standard, so the GC could hit immediatly or _never_, or anywhere in between :) 00:02:04 can someone remind me what was the syntax for calculating something at read time? 00:02:09 #. 00:02:24 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:03:21 thanks 00:05:00 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:05:14 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:05:35 Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 00:07:46 what does it mean to calculate something at read time? 00:09:58 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has joined #lisp 00:10:39 #.(someform 10) someform will be executed at readtime and whatever it returns will be fed to the compiler 00:10:50 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. Freenode staff: If this is happening too frequently, please set a nickserv freeze on my account, and once my connection is stable, unfreeze the account and /kill me to trigger a reconnect.] 00:10:53 To the reader. 00:11:10 drewc: what was that orgmode based blog thing you were using? 00:11:15 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 00:12:14 *maxm* is converting newish log4cl guide into org, thought could just as well host it, and make README.md just a link 00:13:16 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.158.206.242] has joined #lisp 00:13:46 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-219.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 00:13:51 -!- findiggle1 [~kirkwood@67.40.30.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:19:56 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 00:20:10 -!- scoofy [~scoofy@catv-89-135-71-167.catv.broadband.hu] has left #lisp 00:27:03 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 00:29:19 -!- qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:29:27 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 00:30:41 -!- worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:06 worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.38] has joined #lisp 00:33:12 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@67-42-84-147.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:33:50 maxm: o-blog 00:34:30 -!- karupanerura [~karupaner@www5325uf.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:34:51 maxm: https://github.com/renard/o-blog 00:34:54 -!- nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:08 karupanerura [~karupaner@www5325uf.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:35:45 and ...heh... If you look at the demo site : http://renard.github.com/o-blog/ ... then at my site: http://drewc.org ... 00:36:11 you can see that I simply used it, and it is bootstrap from Twitter. 00:38:14 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 00:38:19 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:39:20 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:27 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 00:40:57 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:45:12 -!- pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-253-40.w92-163.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:49 pjb [~t@AMontsouris-651-1-253-40.w92-163.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 00:47:25 -!- sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:48:03 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:48:05 sellout- [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:49:14 Sifr [~z@unaffiliated/sifr] has joined #lisp 00:49:20 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:52 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. 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Or if it's just a school project put it all in a single .lisp file 01:56:13 well, you could do something simple like have a system.lisp that sets up the package and loads your files in order, and tell the professor to do that. 01:56:40 I suppose a makefile that pulls down quicklisp/asdf could also be done.. 01:57:24 how big is this project? if you're expected to have multiple files and external library dependencies i would think they'd explain what you're supposed to use. 01:57:27 arrdem: cat "table.lsp trie.lsp > everything.lsp" should work ;) 01:57:51 Bike: it's my college's compilers course, starting the lexer hence the trie. 01:58:08 so this should be a substantial codebase by the end of the semester 01:58:45 You may want to ask what project management tools you're expected to use, then. I doubt the professor wants a jumble of everythin7.lsp files any more than you do. 01:59:19 <|3b|> many lisp implementations include asdf, so might have that already, and probably don't need quicklisp unless they let you use external libraries 01:59:45 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.7.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:00:56 arrdem: I use quickproject to create asdf project skeletons for all code I write, even if the project is called "scratch" or "throwaway-hacks" 02:02:30 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:02:33 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:02:50 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:14 is it better to put a keyword or a quoted symbol in a map as a symbolic value? 02:04:35 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 02:04:41 possibly keyword so you don't run into package confusion later 02:05:09 -!- ezakimak [~nick@ns1.nickleippe.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:16 alec [~alec@68-185-207-130.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:07:15 herm.. C-c C-l isn't loading to slime.. 02:09:12 -!- impomatic [~digital_w@211.67.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:09:31 wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-8-180-107.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:16 zacts [d03626e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.38.230] has joined #lisp 02:11:29 what do you mean? 02:13:20 zophy [~inch15@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 02:14:26 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@120.158.206.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:15:41 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d011818.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:28 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c3c47.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:16:44 zophy_ [~inch15@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 02:16:51 I mean that if I punch in C-x C-e as per the the slime manual I get an error that there isn't a lisp subprocess despite having a repl 02:17:13 -!- segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-108-73-161-44.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:17:17 do you have *slime-repl* or just *inferior-lisp*? 02:17:39 I have "*slime-repl clisp*" 02:17:40 segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-135-2.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:01 *inferior-lisp* and *inferior-lisp*<2> 02:18:21 What's M-x slime-list-connections show? 02:18:50 * 1 clisp (127.0.0.1 51505) 2801 CLISP 02:19:22 -!- jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has quit [Quit: Emacs must have died] 02:19:38 well, you are connected, then... 02:19:54 jaimef [jaimef@dns.mauthesis.com] has joined #lisp 02:20:05 -!- zophy [~inch15@24.111.9.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:42 -!- wheelsucker [~wheelsuck@ip68-8-180-107.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:58 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:26 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has joined #lisp 02:28:28 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:31:49 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:33:11 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:33:17 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 02:34:44 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:35:42 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 02:40:03 -!- Guthur`` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:41:21 green__ [~green@dsl-173-206-41-176.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 02:41:46 -!- green__ is now known as Guest31676 02:44:48 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-207-112-125-99.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:45:27 -!- zacts [d03626e6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.54.38.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:46:45 melisaa [~KELEBEK@88.242.35.77] has joined #lisp 02:49:13 green_ [~green@64.56.250.52] has joined #lisp 02:49:56 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 02:50:18 -!- merlin_ [~merlin@31.45.153.111] has quit [Quit: merlin_] 02:50:47 -!- Guest31676 [~green@dsl-173-206-41-176.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:52:25 -!- melisaa [~KELEBEK@88.242.35.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:54:40 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 02:54:55 f03lipe [~f03lipe@186.205.212.50] has joined #lisp 02:55:10 melisaa [~KELEBEK@88.242.35.77] has joined #lisp 02:55:45 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@123.208.174.178] has joined #lisp 02:56:42 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-219.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:57:06 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-219.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 02:57:10 drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:05:18 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:06:06 brunoscholz [~brunoscho@177.143.189.108] has joined #lisp 03:12:05 quarkup [~quarkup@a79-168-116-228.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 03:13:04 -!- PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-219.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:13:56 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-219.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 03:15:18 -!- f03lipe [~f03lipe@186.205.212.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:31 Hi, is there a conventional way to derive a generic-function lambda list from a method lambda list? 03:16:07 e.g. (defgeneric foo ((a string))) --> (defgeneric foo (a)) 03:16:17 to strip down the lambda list and get rid of the specializers 03:19:50 huangjs [~huangjs@67-42-84-147.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:20:01 gendl: (mapcar (lambda (s) (if (listp s) (first s) s)) '((a string) b)) => (A B) ? 03:20:29 -!- Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:20:44 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-67-102-61.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:21:27 oh, it really is that simple. 03:21:27 gendl: better, c2mop:extract-lambda-list 03:21:32 bit obscure, but nice. 03:21:52 -!- asciilifeform [~asciilife@pool-108-48-89-59.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:22:01 a method lambda list can't have fancy destructuring like a macro 03:22:05 ? 03:22:13 Will also take care of keys and stuff that drewc's doesn't. 03:22:19 gendl: What do you mean? 03:23:00 Bike: good point about &key or even &aux lol 03:23:11 like (defmacro with-something ((some-init-args) some-other-args) . ) 03:23:13 that's tricker 03:23:16 trickier 03:23:16 no, you can't do that. 03:23:35 but here we are talking about straight-up lambda lists, the only tricky part is &key, &optional, &aux... 03:23:38 drewc: yeah, i just figure it's better to use the (semi-)standard function 03:23:49 Bike: agreed 100% 03:23:56 which probably uses whatever the implementation does for the same purpose 03:24:12 Bike: and, thanks for reminding me of that :P 03:24:19 (ql:quickload :c2mop)  ? 03:24:24 I don't even remember why I know it. It's quite obscure. 03:24:28 -!- segmond__ [~segmond@adsl-99-150-135-2.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:24:42 -!- worstadmin [~worst@174.141.213.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:24:50 gendl: It's just a portability layer over the various implementations' MOPs. If you only care about one you could use sb-mop: or ccl: or whatever. 03:25:32 yeah, I cannot know why I knew it was there and forgot, so I understand 03:25:52 well at the moment I care about ACL, LW, SBCL, CCL, SCL, ECL, and ABCL. 03:25:58 and tomorrow I might care about CLISP 03:26:04 *drewc* is going to grep his ~/src for it 03:26:07 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:26:26 gendl: probably you want c2mop, then. 03:26:26 syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:34 c2mop should 'work' for all 03:26:46 for that fn anyway 03:27:15 the MOP is sort of quasi-standard anyway, most implementations probably have this function, and if they don't c2mop has its own I'm sure. 03:27:25 i'll dig around 03:27:44 what's to dig for? 03:27:48 I already see we have ccl:extract-lambda-list 03:28:38 oh, c2mop is closer-mop 03:28:52 right? 03:28:55 *drewc* cannot find his copy of AMOP ... thinks he gave it away to the original owner. 03:28:59 (ql:quickload :closer-mop) 03:29:07 yeah. 03:29:13 yup 03:29:15 c2mop's the package nickname. 03:29:24 ok got it. thanks. 03:29:34 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has joined #lisp 03:30:19 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:39 Bike_ [~Glossina@174-25-51-152.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:32:31 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-51-152.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:32:33 -!- Bike_ is now known as Bike 03:33:56 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@94.137.10.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:18 asciilifeform [~asciilife@pool-108-48-89-59.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:35:41 -!- asciilifeform is now known as Guest39930 03:41:30 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 03:41:52 francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176365113.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:55:08 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 03:56:36 -!- CrazyEddy [~unadmitta@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:13 -!- benny [~user@i577A188E.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:05:15 How does one compare symbols in lisp? 04:05:31 one usually does not 04:05:46 unless you just mean equality, then EQ 04:05:49 I have three character long symbols and am given the constraint to only use primitive functions to achieve this. 04:06:04 EQ unfortunately doesn't give me enough control 04:06:17 on what property do you want to compare it? 04:07:12 well, there's only two ways, comparing that two symbols are the same, or that they have the same name 04:07:15 Sifr: symbols do not have character lengths (e.g. 3). their names do 04:07:16 for the latter 2 characters I'd like to compare it alphabetically, and for the first char it will be a ^ or a { 04:07:44 (string= symbol1 symbol2) would compare names of the symbols 04:08:14 see SYMBOL-NAME 04:08:15 I cannot use string operators :S 04:08:23 or symbol-name 04:08:32 mon_key` [~user@74-143-70-82.static.insightbb.com] has joined #lisp 04:08:47 Sifr: a bit arbitrary, no? 04:08:56 Guthur`` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:58 then tell the one who imposed such limits to go to hell 04:09:02 yeah, jumping through hoops ... 04:09:23 can you use STRING? 04:09:36 I can just use string-lessp 04:09:46 as far as string functions are concerned, and EQ 04:09:49 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 04:10:12 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:10:15 well, string-lessp works on symbols 04:10:17 -!- mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:11:29 (not (or (string-lessp symbol1 symbol2) (string-lessp symbol2 symbol1))) would mean their names are equal 04:11:35 (string-lessp 'test 'tezt) => 2 04:11:39 equalp, even 04:11:40 for the weighting system I have, }ca is less than ^ca which is less than {ca 04:13:27 (char (write-to-string symbol :escape nil) 0) 04:13:44 -!- quarkup [~quarkup@a79-168-116-228.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 04:14:11 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 04:15:17 I am constrained, and cannot use write-to-string 04:15:37 format nil? 04:16:45 no format allowed 04:16:58 what the hell is allowed then? 04:17:18 atom 04:17:21 that's it 04:17:24 jk sec 04:17:47 add the symbols to a hash-table and then compare on some associated value you can control? 04:18:22 (defun first-char-p (char symbol) (and (not (string-lessp symbol char :end1 1)) (not (string-lessp char symbol :end2 1)))) 04:18:30 (first-char-p #\{ '{abc) => T 04:18:41 atom, null, eq, equal, numberp, append, car, cdr, cons, if, cond, let, let*, defun, quote, print, list, sort, string-lessp, apply, function, and numerical operators 04:18:46 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@67-42-84-147.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:18:48 -!- zophy_ [~inch15@24.111.9.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:25 (first-char-p '{ '{abc) would work too 04:19:33 so, you get the idea how to do it 04:20:29 char, violates the constraint 04:20:37 no char 04:20:54 oh oops 04:21:23 something like (sort '(one two three four) #'string-lessp) perhaps 04:21:25 what on earth are you supposed to learn from this 04:21:40 Bike: that the teacher is bonkers 04:21:47 how to be god of lisp and vanquish all demons? 04:21:57 or how to throw rocks at the sun 04:22:23 might as well say to use C "but only use strncpy" 04:22:29 or solving a problem within external constraints... 04:25:18 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 04:26:32 "you can sort strings but not access characters" is a pretty weird constraint. but i suppose this isn't relevant 04:27:04 well they're still symbols 04:27:29 I am not sure how to convert them to strings or numbers.. 04:27:59 usually you would use string or symbol-name, but you can't for some reason. 04:27:59 symbols have an accessor called symbol-name which returns their name as a string 04:28:28 antifuchs: violates problem constraints 04:28:44 I guess string-lessp is all you got. 04:28:45 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:28:47 Sifr: well, i showed you how to do you it 04:29:04 you can't access the first character, but you can see whether it's { } or ^ 04:29:56 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.254.88] has joined #lisp 04:30:04 what does # do? I am not sure if it violates the constraint 04:30:10 (defun first-char (symbol) (cond ((first-char-p '{ symbol) '{) ((first-char-p '} symbol) '}) ((first-char-p '^ symbol) '^))) 04:30:15 Sifr: you don't need #\ 04:30:26 (first-char '{dsaf) => { 04:30:56 just don't forget to credit me for completing this assignment, okay? 04:31:26 Okay 04:31:40 *Sifr* writes down Reference; strassats #lisp 04:32:12 without r 04:32:55 *Sifr* crosses out Reference; strassats #lisp 04:33:00 *Sifr* writes down Reference; stassats #lisp 04:33:10 -!- drmeister [~drmeister@pool-71-185-82-146.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:17 and to compare alphabetically, just string-lessp, with :start1 and :start2 being 1 04:34:11 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.254.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:34:54 I can't use :end or :start 04:35:09 then you're fucked 04:35:19 and when you tell the teacher about the suggestion to visit hell, make sure to properly note the attribution... lol 04:35:35 well, you can use string-mismatch result, i guess 04:36:22 for determining the first character, but for alphabetical comparison, i'm out of ideas 04:37:26 Sifr: is your assignment actually to come up with a way to sort these, or is that ust part of a larger assignment? if it's the latter they probably want you to just use string-lessp 04:38:17 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc08-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:39:18 Sifr: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134704 04:41:02 -!- Sifr [~z@unaffiliated/sifr] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:41:35 Bike: just string-lessp doesn't work because { ^ } comparison is not alphabetical 04:42:08 stassats: yeah, but maybe whoever came up with this wasn't thinking of that 04:42:16 oh, i got it 04:42:47 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:43:00 so, use this first-char thing for comparing the first symbol, and then string-lessp if the first chars are equal 04:44:25 snits [~snits@174-17-112-107.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 04:44:34 -!- CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:45:03 Sifr [~z@unaffiliated/sifr] has joined #lisp 04:46:18 -!- francisl [~flavoie@bas6-montreal45-1176365113.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 04:46:21 -!- arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:49:01 Sifr: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134704#1 04:50:10 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-62-61.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:51:13 sw2wolf [~czsq888@118.112.159.224] has joined #lisp 04:51:21 oh I went to go poop and thought of using that conditional 04:51:30 except it would not of been as clean 04:51:54 Okasu [~1@unaffiliated/okasu] has joined #lisp 04:52:04 "would of"? it's "would have" 04:52:33 english speakers often sound like the former in speech and so write it weirdly 04:53:07 Bike: i know, and i can't stand it 04:53:20 not being an english speaker and all that 04:54:33 maybe he woulda if he coulda but din wanna 04:54:46 even "would've'nt" is better 04:55:41 *|3b|* would expect would'nt've as a native speaker 04:55:49 right 04:55:51 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 04:55:54 <|3b|> in speech at least, looks pretty silly written 04:55:55 vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-192.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 04:56:54 I feel like where you studied English was more robust than where I did, stassats. 04:57:02 <|3b|> actually, shouldn't that be n't instead of 'nt 04:57:12 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wouldn't've 04:58:10 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-237-234-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:58:14 <|3b|> Sifr: most people learn second languages more 'correctly' than native speakers 04:58:52 gonzojive [~red@c-76-21-0-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:58:59 -!- jimmyy [~jimmy@218.59.116.38] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:59:19 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.236.34] has joined #lisp 04:59:40 jimmyy [jimmyy@218.59.116.38] has joined #lisp 04:59:49 at least when it comes to spelling 04:59:54 "wouldn't" is often written, but "wouldn't've" would always be written "wouldn't have" 05:00:14 but usually "would not have" 05:00:58 i think we diverged into off-topic enough 05:01:55 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 05:03:16 arrdem [~arrdem@resnet-45-187.dorm.utexas.edu] has joined #lisp 05:03:34 adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:07:32 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@2.80.236.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:08:22 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:08:36 dnolen [~user@ppp-70-242-115-9.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 05:09:00 -!- vlion [~vlion@66-87-112-192.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:11:29 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 05:12:27 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:13:10 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:32 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@c-66-229-185-165.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:15:02 same problem as http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13174207/cannot-use-small-keyboard-to-input-digit , any clue to fix it ? 05:17:46 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@123.208.174.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:24:40 how many times did you ask that already? 05:27:59 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 05:30:18 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.254.88] has joined #lisp 05:30:46 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:31:03 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uqvppklvmwlweibl] has joined #lisp 05:31:03 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-uqvppklvmwlweibl] has quit [Changing host] 05:31:03 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 05:31:04 -!- bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:31:32 -!- clone_of_saturn [~visitant@unaffiliated/clone-of-saturn/x-2509460] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34:48 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.254.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:34:55 duko_ [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:35:33 what is the use of the ':static-file' definition in an asd file? 05:36:11 I imagine that it must be accessible to slime somehoe... but how is it used? 05:36:14 i think that "no" 05:37:05 but some people say that it's metadata about what files are in the package, but i don't believe them 05:37:45 why don't you believe them? 05:38:07 that sounds reasonable to me. 05:38:45 stassats: many times, but i donot undertstand why it is so hard to fix ? 05:38:46 because presence in the directory already signifies that it's included 05:39:13 and i don't know any tools which exploit :static-file information 05:39:35 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:40:33 sw2wolf: well, i don't have a numpad, so i'm not gonna be working on it 05:41:08 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-210-251.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:41:34 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-210-251.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:41:57 or maybe it's used by asdf-bundle, i don't know 05:42:22 Bike: i have no enough CL knowledge to fix it, and stumpwm is my everyday desktop and i really hope such a problem fixed by CL community 05:43:39 it'd be the stumpwm community, and i don't know what to tell you. 05:44:04 Bike: it is not numpad but normal keyboard with NumLock on 05:44:15 duko_: another possibility is that if you modify such a file, the system would be rebuild on loading, and don't know if that's true 05:44:28 that's another problem, I don't know what a "small keyboard" is, and I don't understand the problem from that page 05:44:37 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:44:41 duko_: but i don't believe in it mostly because i don't believe in ASDF 05:45:00 poor english, it is normal keyboard 05:45:10 because any advanced features tend to be broken one way or another 05:46:31 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:32 sw2wolf: I mean I can't even make sense of the specified problem. (and if you want to keep talking about it, probably should ask in #stumpwm, it is not a CL question). 05:46:36 tps__ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 05:46:47 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 05:47:26 Bike, i have posted ib both #stumpwm and its mailing list, but got no answer :P 05:47:26 nikodem [~mikey@user-164-127-206-187.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 05:47:47 yes, i've seen you talk in #stumpwm, I didn't understand your problem then either. 05:47:48 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:47:49 that suggest that you'd have to solve it yourself 05:47:54 stassats what do you recommend as an alternative to ASDF? 05:47:55 suggests 05:48:05 duko_: nothing, unfortunately 05:48:14 :( 05:48:27 sw2wolf: indeed your best hope is probably to learn enough CL (or, really, xlib) to figure it out. 05:48:37 duko_: i'd recommend just using it for loading files in some sequence and loading dependencies 05:48:41 cfy 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functionality that you know will never be overriden in child classes? 07:35:31 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.254.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:38:53 ordinary functions are faster for that 07:39:03 but if you don't care about performance, it's ok 07:39:17 and you don't mind defining both defgeneric and defmethod (to make sbcl happy) 07:40:38 -!- brunoscholz [~brunoscho@177.143.189.108] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:43:09 no, i've defined only defgeneric with :method keyword 07:43:25 right, if you don't mind having to do that 07:43:53 of course ) 07:44:24 oh, also 07:44:56 is there a way to pass something to make-instance to make it create bare Qt class ? 07:45:25 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.50] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:45:31 why do you mean by bare qt class? 07:46:04 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.50] has joined #lisp 07:46:21 for example i have a function that gets a parameter with class type, and it creates an instance of that class 07:47:04 no, i don't think there is 07:47:06 and i want to be able to pass both CLOS class with qt-superclass and just bare Qt class 07:47:56 just in case to not to make a empty wrapper for every Qt class i want to use 07:48:01 ok then 07:48:02 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:49:08 you can make it so that if you pass a string, it calls (interpret-new class) 07:50:02 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:50:03 hmm 07:50:05 instead of make-instance 07:50:09 this is an option 07:50:11 thanks 07:50:43 you could even define a method for make-instance for strings, but that's not a great idea 07:51:11 *anonus* writing huge boilerplate 07:51:25 never thought that i'll do that in CL 07:51:33 what boilerplate? 07:52:28 i'm wrapping a lot of Qt methods for QWebView/QWebPage/QMainFrame into one class and also writing a wrapper for DOM 07:53:20 i don't want to expose #_ syntax in API for my classes 07:53:21 you can blame all that on C++ 07:53:36 of course ) 07:53:38 -!- dnolen [~user@ppp-70-242-115-9.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:53:53 and your smiles are blind 07:54:29 yeah 07:54:42 so you didn't noticed that i'm russian ) 07:55:36 well, i just wanted to ask you that, but then thought maybe other people do that too 07:55:52 lol 07:55:54 and the thing is, i'm russian too 07:56:02 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 07:56:02 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 07:56:02 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 07:56:11 cool 07:59:01 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:59:11 agumonkey [~agu@211.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:55 -!- Bike [~Glossina@174-25-51-152.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 08:02:41 *anonus* not so familiar with Qt 08:02:51 is there a simple way to execute a lambda in GUI thread ? 08:03:24 what do you mean? as a receiver of a signal? 08:03:44 mmm, no sure 08:04:12 i want to do something like that (execute-in-gui-thread (lambda () (do something)) in non-GUI thread 08:04:52 *not 08:06:43 well, you'd need to periodically check some variable in the gui thread and see if it's bound to a function, then call it 08:06:50 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:07:09 emm, GUI thread will be busy by event-loop i think 08:07:23 it can execute things periodically 08:08:00 see QTimer 08:08:26 maybe i can register a signal and a slot to make so, btw can i trigger signal from non-GUI thread ? 08:08:27 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:08:30 but what do you want to achieve with that? 08:08:56 i want to run event loop in separate thread and create a qt widgets from REPL :3 08:09:20 you need to try it signalling from another thread, i'm not sure 08:09:51 are you working around the inability to restart webkit? 08:09:56 do you have an idea in which class i should register such signal/slot ? 08:09:58 yep 08:10:14 just create own class from QObject? 08:10:44 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@88.100.82.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:11:10 something like that, yes 08:11:34 http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt/threads-qobject.html#signals-and-slots-across-threads 08:11:50 http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt/threads-qobject.html#signals-and-slots-across-threads 08:11:58 lol, hivemind 08:12:17 is there a library that will let me spawn shell commands and let me read/write the process? 08:13:04 I guess I am looking for something that provides the equivalent of popen 08:13:40 something like that https://github.com/archimag/cl-popen ? 08:14:16 no idea is it working or not 08:14:44 i've always just used what implementations provide 08:15:19 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 08:19:01 Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:42 sodel [~user@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:47 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 08:20:46 https://github.com/roman/evil-paredit - thanks Odin, this project is finally appeared 08:20:47 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-211-174-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:18 -!- sodel [~user@S01062cb05d9c7e60.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:22:26 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has joined #lisp 08:23:52 I can't seem to get cl-popen to work on OS X. The included tests just hang. Linux worked fine. 08:24:39 stassats: where do I find the sbcl equivalent of popen? 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Might be something for postmodern. 09:09:17 hu.dwim.perec (my favourite) doesn't do migrations normal way, instead generates sql model from objects 09:09:58 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.171.209] has joined #lisp 09:12:18 hmm, that might be good, I've decided to stick to postmodern for this particular project 09:12:38 but it wouldnt be hard to roll my own right? 09:13:34 wouldn't 09:13:36 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:58 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:15:05 wait you wouldn't or it wouldn't be hard. it's 3am, my mind is introducing ambiguity. 09:15:50 wouldn't be hard 09:16:11 :D 09:18:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19:35 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.171.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:20:41 vlion [~vlion@98.145.116.195] has joined #lisp 09:21:57 arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-djgfcpurfligdaqz] has joined #lisp 09:23:47 tiglog [~topeak@61.149.225.42] has joined #lisp 09:29:44 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:30:27 -!- vlion [~vlion@98.145.116.195] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 09:31:45 -!- prxq_ is now known as prxq 09:31:45 Is there a way to remove some features from core image in sbcl? I can't find such things in documentation. How can I remove compiler from executable if I don't need it, for example? 09:31:51 -!- hitecnologys1 is now known as hitecnologys 09:31:57 you can't 09:32:00 right now you can't 09:32:11 I can't seem to get sb-ext:run-program to work either. I am trying to do the equivalent of "echo 'graph {1--2--3}' | dot -T jpg | open -faPreview" 09:32:11 Hmm, ok. Thanks. 09:32:12 PCL (CLOS) depends on compiler being present at runtime 09:32:31 -!- tiglog [~topeak@61.149.225.42] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:38 there has been some work to decouple it better, I heard, but so far SBCL is pretty monolithic outside of build process 09:32:55 p_l: that's because of dynamically modified instances of objects, yes? 09:32:55 This is what I tried. (defun pipe-test () 09:32:56 (let ((p (sb-ext:run-program "/bin/bash" '("-c" "dot -T jpg | open -faPreview") 09:32:56 :wait nil :input :stream))) 09:32:56 (write-line "graph G { 1--2--4 }" (sb-ext:process-input p)) 09:33:05 sigjuice: use paste.lisp.org 09:33:05 H4ns, memo from jdz: the short answer is no; the long answer is that I wanted to patch Hunchentoot to use the new functionality, and then I think I figured that it would require more work/improvement. too bad i did not write it down... 09:33:07 sigjuice: paste.lisp.org. Use it please. 09:33:22 hitecnologys: some features can be "removed" by not compiling them into the image to begin with. 09:33:35 My apologies 09:33:36 hitecnologys: not sure, I think it was involved in finalization of methods 09:33:44 prxq: which features? 09:34:05 hitecnologys: threads, for example. 09:34:13 there's a full list somewhere. 09:34:16 p_l: so, if I remove CLOS somehow, it is possible to remove compiler somehow? 09:34:37 hitecnologys: "remove clos"? 09:35:12 hitecnologys: you cannot "remove clos" unless you're removing a lot of functionality from the lisp. 09:35:12 hitecnologys: you'd break the whole system :) 09:35:22 hitecnologys: it'd be easier to write your own lisp, i'd say. 09:35:38 or stop caring about such things 09:35:45 H4ns: I don't want to do it, it was just an example. 09:35:52 or pay for lispworks 09:35:57 hitecnologys: well. then your answer is "you can't". 09:36:12 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.20] has joined #lisp 09:36:19 H4ns: I know, that's why I added "somehow". 09:37:04 Here is the paste. My apologies again. http://paste.lisp.org/display/134710 09:37:28 and what is your question? 09:37:32 So, the only way to reduce executable size is using custom compressors? 09:37:49 hitecnologys: the default one is unsuitable? 09:38:21 stassats: there's default one? Oh. 09:38:21 hitecnologys: why do you need to reduce the executable size? 09:38:46 hitecnologys: there's 09:38:55 compression option to save-lisp-and-die 09:38:56 CrazyEddy [~noninitia@113.52.233.162] has joined #lisp 09:39:02 H4ns: I don't need it, I'm just interested how to do it. 09:39:41 stassats: wow, thanks for information. 09:39:59 SBCL indeed produce bigger image than CL, which will eat much RAM here 09:40:09 s/CL/clisp 09:40:23 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@91-65-63-57-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:40:30 sw2wolf: clisp compiles to byte-code, lol. 09:40:33 sw2wolf: clisp is much slower, though. 09:41:11 yes, i know SBCL will produce native code 09:42:15 Hmm, I can see that sigjuice used sb-ext:run-program. I tried to use it too and it seems that it works incorrectly sometimes. I can't tell the reason, but it behaves strange. (or maybe it's just me stupid :P) 09:42:20 but it indeed need much RAM to run smoothly 09:43:03 sw2wolf: not much more that clisp. 09:43:43 sw2wolf: all the machines that i use for work have at least 8gb of ram. maybe that is why i don't care much about a few dozen megabytes, but i feel that megabytes are no longer the scale that should be used for ram 09:43:55 sw2wolf: ram is measured in gb today, and disk in tb. 09:43:57 I'm actually more annoyed by download sizes and, sometimes, boot times. Memory is cheap, but the internet can be so slow that "few megabytes" is "let's take a loong walk" 09:44:59 Someone should test sb-ext:run-program, I think, to be sure that it works as it should. 09:45:15 Small is good for software to complete same task ! 09:45:35 what a great suggestion, how did nobody think about testing it before? 09:45:54 stassats: and it worked ok? 09:46:15 hitecnologys: it works well, but it is not easy to use. 09:46:21 the stumpwm built using clisp just need size:29796K res:7768K to run smoothly 09:46:39 -!- CrazyEddy [~noninitia@113.52.233.162] has quit [Changing host] 09:46:39 CrazyEddy [~noninitia@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 09:46:52 (sb-ext:run-program "/bin/sh" (list "-c" cmd) :input nil :output *standard-output*) 09:46:52 sw2wolf: cool, so i can run a thousand stumpwms on my laptop!1 \o/ 09:47:17 H4ns: strange, I'll try to recompile my sbcl. It didn't worked for me at all. It didn't even run program. 09:47:34 SBCL at least double that RAM ?! 09:47:39 hitecnologys: why don't you paste some code? 09:47:42 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:47:48 hitecnologys: i'd suggest that you try "hard thinking" and "code reading" first 09:48:09 stassats: is QStringList converted to something more lisp-firendly or i need to do it manually ? 09:48:16 stassats: I've lost it, It was about 4 months ago. =( 09:48:17 sw2wolf: so i can only run 500 stumpwms on my box if i use sbcl? 09:49:10 yes, bye bye 09:49:13 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@118.112.159.224] has left #lisp 09:49:35 H4ns: I tried different solutions and the only way that worked is implementing file system manipulations using pure lisp instead of bash scripts. 09:50:21 anonus: it is marshalled into a list of strings 09:51:00 awesome 09:53:24 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:55:00 -!- Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:55:19 -!- chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:57:02 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 09:57:12 stassats: where i can find what else is marshalled too ? 09:57:28 well, almost anything is 09:57:36 you'd be better off finding what isn't 09:57:46 ok ) 09:58:17 some things may be just missing 09:58:28 and also maybe there is something to convert from fixnum to qt enum ? 09:58:51 you don't need to do that 09:58:58 i was hoping for sb-ext:run-program to spawn a shell pipeline that my list program can write to 09:59:27 sigjuice: have you checked the documentation? for instance the :pty parameter? 09:59:42 i want somehow to convert a symbols to enums or so 09:59:58 convert them into integers 10:00:13 and just pass an integer? 10:00:16 yes 10:00:22 good 10:00:22 -!- pjb-v [~t@voyager.informatimago.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:56 nostoi [~nostoi@180.Red-79-151-254.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:02:06 Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 10:02:08 i am reading right now. i am not sure how :pty helps 10:02:12 pjb-v [~t@voyager.informatimago.com] has joined #lisp 10:02:21 Okay, another silly question. From which file it's better to start sbcl code exploration? There are too many of files, I can't decide. 10:02:26 -!- seerhut [~seerhut@121.197.1.189] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:42 hitecnologys: what do you want to know? 10:03:41 stassats: just get some general information about how it all works. 10:03:58 it's quite complicated 10:04:13 stassats: I have much time. 10:04:23 so, chose one aspect you want to learn about 10:04:36 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:04:47 stassats: Actually, I'm interested in primitives and compilation. 10:05:31 sigjuice: i might have missed what you want exactly, but if you want to run a program, and get a stream which is connected to the standard input (and output) of the process, then :pty does just that 10:05:35 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:05:35 kilon [~user@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 10:05:50 jdz: :output and :input do too 10:06:02 just without allocating a pty 10:06:06 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:25 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 10:07:25 sigjuice: the thing you pasted should work, just replace process-close with (close (sb-ext:process-input p)) and add (sb-ext:process-wait p) 10:08:54 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@136.170.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:40 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 10:10:07 Kvaks [~kvaks@136.170.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 10:10:59 Oh my gosh, 1.5k lines of code in one file. Over 90 files. Sbcl is way more complicated than I thought. 10:12:04 stassats: if i replace | open .... with >/tmp/foo.jpg, i end up with an empty jpg file 10:12:36 something fundamental is missing 10:14:20 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 10:15:46 przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has joined #lisp 10:16:21 WFM 10:18:06 sigjuice: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134710#1 10:21:09 chr [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 10:25:50 looks like my dot invocation is messed up somehow. your cat example works fine 10:28:10 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Changing host] 10:28:10 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bvsftlvdhfratbrw] has joined #lisp 10:28:53 i can't tell what is wrong. dtruss on OS X is rather useless 10:29:04 works for me with dot too 10:30:39 by the way, you don't need to use bash for that 10:30:56 sigjuice: http://paste.lisp.org/display/134710#2 10:31:08 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003b2a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:31:15 although it works for me the with bash version too 10:31:34 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:31:46 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has joined #lisp 10:32:15 with dot i am getting # 10:32:26 1 means an error 10:32:58 how can i make a pipe with several | without bash? 10:33:27 try adding :error *standard-output* to see the error 10:34:12 sigjuice: it'd be a bit complicated, so probably it's better to use a shell 10:35:10 or use a library 10:35:14 eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 10:35:24 which library? 10:35:41 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@180.Red-79-151-254.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:36:04 the one by Fare, the name escapse me at the moment 10:36:14 drnugget [~knoppix@dyndsl-178-142-088-113.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #lisp 10:37:01 must be inferior-shell 10:37:18 i get a whole bunch of warnings could not load /opt/local/lib/graphviz/libgvplugin_pango.6.dylib file not found 10:37:27 barometz [~dominic@pdpc/supporter/active/nazgjunk] has joined #lisp 10:37:35 so, it's not sbcl's fault 10:38:16 well, your simpler cat example demonstrated that 10:38:26 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:32 demonstrated what? 10:39:18 fsvehla_ [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 10:39:23 that run-program works? 10:39:42 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 10:39:54 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:54 -!- fsvehla_ is now known as fsvehla 10:40:01 right 10:43:22 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Client Quit] 10:44:23 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 10:46:56 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Client Quit] 10:47:48 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 10:48:19 lizzin [~lizzin@unaffiliated/lizzin] has joined #lisp 10:49:33 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.7.250] has joined #lisp 10:52:24 -!- lizzin [~lizzin@unaffiliated/lizzin] has left #lisp 10:54:28 -!- drnugget [~knoppix@dyndsl-178-142-088-113.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #lisp 11:01:15 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6D576.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:59 -!- asvil [~user@91.151.182.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:59 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.215.51] has joined #lisp 11:32:04 myx [~myx@pppoe-211-174-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 11:32:10 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 11:32:40 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-swin14-2-0-cust274.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:34:53 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.7.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:44 sigjuice: I'm writing to a temp file instead of writing directly to graphviz via a pipe. That way you can look at your generated .dot in case of errors. 11:36:49 (hopefully this is the right place for this question) How do you debug a shared library dynamically loaded by cffi? i tried launching gdb /path/to/lisp, then attached to the PID but that terminates the sbcl 11:37:24 err gdb /path/to/sbcl sorry 11:38:00 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:38:05 bniels [~niels@p4FD6D576.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:38:28 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:23 well, i added :environment ... DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH to run-program and dot runs fine now. 11:41:45 stassats: thanks for all the help! 11:43:04 Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.207.113] has joined #lisp 11:43:18 Ue [~Ue@gateway/tor-sasl/ue] has joined #lisp 11:43:20 eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 11:43:49 tcr: i am generating a temp file now and displaying it directly in the slime repl 11:44:40 -!- Kenjin [~kenjin@193.136.207.113] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:05 http://wandrian.net/2012-05-14-2110-display-images-in-emacs-from-common-lisp.html 11:49:25 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 11:49:30 bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 11:51:56 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:57:35 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:57:47 Glad you like it :-) 11:59:05 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:01:07 -!- green_ [~green@64.56.250.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:02:43 stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.145.121] has joined #lisp 12:08:23 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@119.121.145.121] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:00 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.177.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13:13 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:13:45 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:36 fper [~user@94.red-80-28-64.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:24 browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.234] has joined #lisp 12:19:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.66] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.92.1] 12:20:58 dbushenko [~dim@ec2-54-242-175-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 12:21:54 bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:25:20 -!- blandest [~user@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:25:37 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-122-99.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25:43 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-210-251.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:29:56 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-113-248.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 12:41:43 when will the slime repl play movies? 12:41:59 images are not cool enough 12:42:19 working on it 12:42:29 sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 12:42:38 -!- reckler [~reckler@ppp118-208-157-45.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47:38 Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:51:56 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:52:58 gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-84-99.dyn.bashtel.ru] has joined #lisp 12:59:14 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 12:59:35 stassats: lol. 12:59:54 stassats: I want this too. 13:03:41 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:04:16 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 13:04:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:04:49 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 13:05:02 stassats: there was an emacs video editor some time ago 13:05:55 madnificent: lol. 13:08:42 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:11:45 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.4] 13:13:57 bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:15:43 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:23 -!- svetlyak40wt_ [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:17:18 -!- fper [~user@94.red-80-28-64.adsl.dynamic.ccgg.telefonica.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 13:19:09 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn1222-129.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:23:11 green_ [~green@64.56.250.52] has joined #lisp 13:24:50 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:29:19 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:46:15 -!- dbushenko [~dim@ec2-54-242-175-166.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:38 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:47:56 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-bvsftlvdhfratbrw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:06 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:53:19 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:53:40 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 13:54:34 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@115.196.74.98] has joined #lisp 13:55:32 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:56:16 Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:57:47 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 13:58:02 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 13:58:09 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:58:47 bitonic [~user@dyn1217-55.wlan.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:10:22 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:11:48 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 14:12:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:12:42 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 14:14:15 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 14:18:25 Saturn_ [~rose@111.58.49.132] has joined #lisp 14:19:07 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003b2a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:19:52 -!- `fogus|gone [~fogus@freedom.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:25:37 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:57 stassats`: do QList and QPair marshalled ? 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REPL is insane, i should have tried this years ago :( 14:33:18 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.214.168.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:34:46 dnolen [~user@ppp-70-242-115-9.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:04 tiglog [~topeak@114.243.57.109] has joined #lisp 14:35:11 segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-013-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:35:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.153] has joined #lisp 14:35:22 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.184.153] has quit [Changing host] 14:35:22 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:38:27 x86-64, linux, sbcl 1.0.55. what's the expected behaviour of sb-thread:thread-yield? 14:38:32 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-210-251.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:46 i'm pretty sure the thread signalled an exception, but i can't seem to geta backtrace 14:39:34 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:19 are you sure that thread-yield caused it? 14:40:39 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 14:41:27 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-210-251.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:42:56 stassats`: thread-yield did not cause it, it's just that i'd like to debug the thread. 14:43:34 it just calls sched_yield, the rest is done by the kernel 14:44:34 sorry, i got confused. sb-thread:release-foreground is what i wanted (and it's what i was 100% sure thread-yield did) 14:44:41 nm. 14:45:44 francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 14:46:23 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-141-40.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:49:21 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 14:49:34 eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 14:51:38 urandom__ [~user@ip-37-24-113-153.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 14:54:12 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@client193-146.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:23 eichelbart 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(ql:quickload "temporary-file") 18:53:35 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1384972/ 18:53:56 Osicat 18:53:58 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:54:13 syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:17 -!- killerbo1 is now known as killerboy 18:55:27 Osicat did not quite do it. The osicat functions return a stream to a file after deleting the file. So, I do not end up with a filename. 18:56:05 -!- eichelbart [~eichelbar@91-65-63-57-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #lisp 18:56:26 sigjuice: It probably doesn't matter, but just getting a filename is racy. 18:56:39 Thra11_ [~thrall@90.31.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 18:57:10 -!- killerboy is now known as killerboom 18:58:04 According to the documentation, temporary-file gives me a stream to a file that has not been deleted and suggests calling pathname on this stream to get the filename. 18:58:29 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:50 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:59:05 -!- killerboom is now known as killerboy 18:59:08 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.108.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:59:17 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:59:23 "Bugs: Never use this function", says man. 18:59:30 so should be safe to do? 19:00:41 syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:19 sigjuice: if it's implemented like mkstemp, yes. 19:01:32 alec [~alec@68-185-207-130.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:02:09 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:03:03 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:04:21 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 19:04:36 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 19:06:02 -!- alec [~alec@68-185-207-130.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:09:15 Rokks [Alex@hoas-50dd38-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:09:30 -!- Rokks [Alex@hoas-50dd38-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 19:09:58 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:11:22 perhaps it would be better to start with a temporary _directory_? 19:11:28 there are functions for that, too. 19:12:17 still nobody for planet.lisp.org here? 19:17:21 xach is that person, no? 19:20:18 eichelbart [~eichelbar@91-65-63-57-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 19:20:57 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:11 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:18 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:21:18 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 19:22:06 Myk267 [~myk@71.149.245.55] has joined #lisp 19:23:45 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54bf90a2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:24:52 merlin_ [~merlin@109.227.2.117] has joined #lisp 19:25:01 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@90.31.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:26:04 basho____ [~petrosil@norma.uberspace.de] has joined #lisp 19:26:04 rfgpfeif1er [~bob@blubberquark.de] has joined #lisp 19:26:22 -!- karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:04 karswell [~user@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:27:10 Subfusc_ [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has joined #lisp 19:28:04 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 19:28:11 -!- basho___ [~petrosil@norma.uberspace.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:12 -!- rfgpfeiffer [~bob@blubberquark.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:51 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:31 -!- tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: tps_] 19:30:38 -!- Subfusc [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:30:38 -!- vert2 [vert2@46.246.119.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:35 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:32:07 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@h178-129-84-99.dyn.bashtel.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:16 tps_ [~tps_@hoasb-50dd08-36.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:34:34 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-211-174-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 19:35:28 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:47 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bkpvpojmpubvnsjh] has joined #lisp 19:35:53 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 19:37:33 temporary-file did the job. Looks like it is safe to use. 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I must use POSIX way too much, for that is not a question I would ask in #lisp... I use `mktemp` for that lol :) 20:21:37 -!- zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:23:17 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:23:33 -!- Fiora_ is now known as Fiora 20:27:47 drewc: surely you mean mkstemp? 20:28:44 CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:30:02 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:30:16 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:30:24 -!- Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31:27 nikodem [~nikodem@user-164-127-206-187.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:31:27 jasom: strangly enough, I am a programmer, so do not make spelling or leave-out-letter mistakes. OR : No command 'mkstemp' found 20:31:27 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:31:52 mkstemp is a posix function, mktemp's the program 20:31:57 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:17 jrajav [~jrajav@198.179.137.211] has joined #lisp 20:32:25 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:32:32 mktemp is the SUSv? function that shouldn't be used. 20:32:48 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:32:59 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:33:09 drewc: oh, you meant the program, not the C api. 20:33:59 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:26 drewc: and you'd be the first programmer I ever met to not make spelling or leave-out-letter mistakes 20:34:28 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:34:34 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 20:34:50 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:35:06 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:35:06 -!- przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20:35:38 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:39 jasom: yes, for I use Common Lisp as my primrary lang, but though I tend to use implementations that support CFFI, I also have a lot of /bin/sh code, so try not to interface with C very often if it can be avoided. 20:36:03 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 20:36:40 jasom: jasom well, the last time I had a typo (in my code), I spent 13 hours tracking down the 'bug' ... so, M-x flyspell a lot ;) 20:37:22 przl [~przlrkt@p54BF90A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 20:37:25 *drewc* had a typo in that sentence though ... no flyspell or grammer checker in rcirc! 20:37:31 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:52 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.209] has joined #lisp 20:37:52 drewc: so you'd just shell out to make a tempfile? 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It's the lhurgoyf!] 21:45:51 hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.133] has joined #lisp 21:47:12 Keshi [~Keshi@unaffiliated/keshi] has joined #lisp 21:48:10 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:48 -!- p_l is now known as p_l|phone 21:50:36 -!- hitecnologys1 [~hitecnolo@46.233.235.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:51:39 hi lispers! i got a newbie question, i'm sure it's idiotic. i want to define a function like this: (defun some-function (some-string-parameter) ... ) 21:52:07 eichelbart: sounds good so far 21:53:00 then, inside the function i'm defining a list like this: (let* (some-list '("string1" "string2" some-string-parameter)) ...) 21:53:24 what's wrong with that? for some reason beyond my comprehension it won't work. 21:53:36 eichelbart: the ' means "don't evaluate any of this" 21:53:52 ok, so no ' ? 21:53:54 the other problem is that you're missing a pair of parentheses. 21:54:13 eichelbart: so you end up with the equivalent of (list "string1" "string2" 'some-string-parameter) 21:54:13 eichelbart: it means that some-string-parameter won't get evaluated 21:54:22 and instead is on this list as a symbol 21:54:35 (instead of that symbol's lexical value going there) 21:54:56 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:14 eichelbart: you can do either (list "string1" "string2" some-stringparameter) or `("string1" "string2" ,some-string-parameter) 21:55:59 awesome! 21:56:31 eichelbart: you should try to figure out why what you did the first time didn't work, or you'll make mistakes like this all over the place though 21:57:12 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.194.253] has joined #lisp 21:57:42 Jambato [~Jambato@2a01:e35:2f15:c40:211:d8ff:fe7d:2c4a] has joined #lisp 21:58:01 that's why i am here. there is nobody else i could ask these things. i read gigamonkeys book, but it seems to me, that at least to my knowledge, lisp is extremely exotic in germany. 21:59:17 and i just don't get why. it's the most beautiful language i have ever seen. 21:59:22 eichelbart: there are a few lispers here and there; hamburg and berlin are the places to be, I think (: 21:59:43 where are you at? there are a few german lispers here from time to time 21:59:52 i'm in berlin. where do lispers meet usually? 22:00:16 -!- m6502 [~user@lisp.xs4all.nl] has left #lisp 22:00:19 I think Hans Hübner organized a lisp meetup at St. Oberholz occasionally? 22:00:36 *jasom* pokes H4ns 22:00:38 I think berlin is probably the best place in .de to be if you're hacking lisp (: 22:00:44 that's him ^^ 22:02:21 weird. i never heard of that place before, despite knowing that part of the city pretty well... 22:03:45 but what's up with the sparse distribtion of lispers all over germany? i had to grow 32 before touching the subject for the first time. 22:04:00 grow 32 what? 22:04:06 maybe lack of university courses 22:04:25 I think uni HH stopped teaching scheme back in the early 2000s 22:04:57 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