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It doesn't mean anything more than this right? 00:02:25 drmeister: yes, restart-bind expands to something that rebinds *restart-clusters* 00:02:33 Sorry if that sounded garbled. 00:03:01 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-72-204-179.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:05:03 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07:21 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:08:46 Bike: Thanks. 00:10:26 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-206-40.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11:22 (sb!xc:proclaim 00:11:22 '(special *handler-clusters* *restart-clusters* *condition-restarts*)) 00:11:43 Why would SBCL use the above proclaim rather than DEFVAR or DEFPARAMETER? 00:12:12 stuff needs to happen at special times during the bootstrapping process. 00:12:13 bootstrapping or something? 00:12:24 Those proclaims are in a file that is loaded very early. 00:12:38 So bootstrapping might be the answer. 00:12:45 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:14:20 Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 00:15:26 pkuong: I thought a lot about what you said yesterday about bridges between languages. You are absolutely right, PYTHON is written in C and boost::python interfaces C++ to PYTHON. So that is not a good justification for writing my own compiler. 00:16:32 I started down this road when I was really fed up with PYTHON and I didn't know the internals of any CL implementation to start building a C++<>CL bridge. 00:17:10 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053010157.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:17:12 -!- brandonz_ [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 00:17:31 drmeister: don't worry, writing a CL implementation is always a good thing. 00:18:02 drmeister: it would have been better if you had written it in lisp however, because as it is, you might have learned more about C++ than about CL 00:18:24 well from his messages here it seems like he's learning plenty about CL. 00:18:25 The upsides are I have learned a lot, I have complete control over my tool-chain and I'll have a new implementation of CL that uses LLVM. 00:18:42 Yes, all that is good. 00:18:59 Be sure to register your implementation (if it's free) on cliki.net 00:19:18 http://cliki.net/Common%20Lisp%20implementation 00:19:35 -!- Joreji [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:19:49 pjb: I will - I use a lot of CL code from ECL and I think it's all GPL so I'll be GPL. 00:20:06 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:13 Good. 00:25:44 cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-32-198.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 00:25:57 nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 00:26:03 cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 00:26:34 Does anyone know what the reader macro #!+ (in SBCL) means? Is it some sort of souped up #+ ? 00:26:53 It's in the sources. 00:28:13 drmeister: it's a #+ that looks at the features of the system being built 00:28:18 (AIUI) 00:28:21 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:28:25 it's for bootstrapping 00:28:38 I think the sbcl-internals wiki or even the manual have a better explanation 00:30:37 cfy` [~ilisp@220.191.186.26] has joined #lisp 00:31:01 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:23 antifuchs: Thanks - I can't find any mention of it in the SBCL manual sadly. 00:33:55 drmeister: it's not seen by users. 00:34:09 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:36:41 pjb: It's all over the sources >1330 times (sigh). 00:37:15 it's not really that weird to understand, I think? 00:38:58 brandonz [~brandon@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:52 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@128-69-32-198.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit 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orthogonal. there is no need to import a function name into another package in order to specialize it for some class in that package 06:52:01 duko: i'm not quite sure if i understand your problem, but you're mixing up the two things in your problem description 06:53:11 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@broadband-95-84-141-55.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #lisp 06:53:57 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.247.109] has joined #lisp 06:54:27 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-181-83.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:54:29 it seems to work fine now... 06:54:34 how strage. 06:54:42 this problem happens to me often 06:55:02 something works, i close emacs and turn off my machine... 06:55:24 the next time a start my machine and emacs and load my package something it broken 06:55:51 is there a way to easily recompile all files from slime? 06:56:18 you need an asdf file that describes your system, then you can load it using asdf 06:56:19 H4ns: thank you 06:56:35 I am using an 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CLISP supposedly had pretty simple one 10:11:58 though of course they compile to tailored bytecode machine 10:12:14 -!- ehu [~ehu@31.137.190.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:12:56 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 10:13:17 svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:25 -!- jtza8_ [~jtza8@105-236-239-92.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:14:35 sykopomp: no we actually talking on IRC, just both of us clueless with twitter. 10:14:56 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has joined #lisp 10:14:56 brucem: ok thanks i'll look into that 10:15:16 p_l: do you know any common lisp evaluator? maybe that would be simpler... 10:15:39 zorkmoid: ECL has an evaluator, afaik (as well as bytecode and lisp->c compilers) 10:15:47 CLISP I *think* has an evaluator 10:15:58 just stay away from CLISP's C runtime 10:16:07 thanks, i'll look at clisp and ecl ... 10:16:55 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:22:09 senpai___ [~senpai@tmo-097-121.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 10:24:00 -!- senpai___ [~senpai@tmo-097-121.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - 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www.ntalk.de] 11:14:33 p_l: what i meant was that the compiler is not for common lisp, it is for scheme in paip. 11:14:41 yes 11:15:53 i'm looking for a simple(ish) compiler for common lisp, preferbly in common lisp :-) 11:16:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-26.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:21:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.231] has joined #lisp 11:21:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.231] has quit [Changing host] 11:21:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:25:19 how can i display current thread name/id or whatever its named in LISP? ... i am on SBCL 11:25:22 zorkmoid: CL doesn't do simple. 11:25:23 -!- milosn_ is now known as milosn 11:26:39 pkhuong: simpleish, as common lisp standards go, like sbcl is quite ... complicated overall. looking at clisp's compiler atm. 11:28:01 milosn: i have used bordeaux-threads, thread-name iirc 11:28:28 Depending on what you want to understand, SBCL isn't that bad. A lot of the stuff is explained in classic compilation (i.e. not the dragon book) textbooks. 11:30:07 milosn: (apropos "current" "SB-THREAD" t) => SB-THREAD:*CURRENT-THREAD*. sb-thread:thread-[tab] => sb-thread:thread-name. (sb-thread:thread-name sb-thread:*current-thread*) => "repl-thread" 11:30:34 pkhuong: which books do you have in mind? 11:33:24 zorkmoid: Allen & Kennedy or Appel's tiger book. Compiling with continuations, maybe. 11:34:50 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:35:17 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:35:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-26.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:37:48 tnx 11:39:00 Kenjin [~kenjin@2.82.92.221] has joined #lisp 11:40:05 leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.215.51] has joined #lisp 11:40:08 http://cl-su-ai.cddddr.org/msg00164.html -- interesting, full implementation 500 pages 11:42:26 ... you might be misreading "pages" :D 11:42:41 *p_l* feels oh so old 11:44:15 p_l: actually i wasn't :-) hehehehe 11:44:28 those 79 pages look like ca. 39.5 kw 11:45:19 would be somewhere around 180 KB in various transfer formats 11:45:32 sounds about right 11:46:10 still, it seems to be PDP-10... which could do significant element of GC work in one instruction 11:46:52 The author is right, it's possible to compile CL down to a reasonable kernel. That's what most implementations do, I expect. The problem is that there are complications inherent to the language in that simplification step. 11:47:12 It's much more fun and interesting to write scheme compilers ;) 11:47:49 pkhuong: what about making a common kernel between scheme and cl 11:47:49 ? 11:48:18 what about writing a common lisp implementation in scheme! 11:50:32 p_l: r4rs? 11:51:51 -!- nikodem [~nikodem@user-164-127-85-38.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:52:01 (it isn't even that crazy of an idea actually) 11:52:20 What's the point? 11:52:31 pkhuong: what is the point of anything? :-) 11:53:53 nikodem [~nikodem@user-164-127-85-38.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 11:53:54 Seriously? #nihilism is that way. 11:54:50 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:54:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-26.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:55:04 someone isn't happy today... 11:56:48 zorkmoid: there was BBN Common Lisp, which was written on top of a Scheme Machine, iirc 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i guess i could do it, but i'm not sure as to how trivial it would be. 14:39:36 Hello everyone. When I reading speci about lisp package. "Most of the functions that require a package-name argument from the user accept either a symbole or a string." Dose this mean that I can do : (package-name #:common-lisp-user)? 14:40:16 changxue: it'd have to be (package-name '#:common-lisp-user), but yes. 14:41:34 madnificent: a band aid could be: (defclass my-forward-referenced () ()) and then, for each class that you plan on later creating, (setf (find-class this-classes-name) (find-class 'my-forward-ref)) 14:41:38 does anyone have the link to Xach's little tutorial on using asdf for small projects? 14:41:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-161-17.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:41:46 my google-fu is failing me 14:41:47 thanks 14:41:52 at least that way you'd know it was supposed to be later defined (which it may or may not i guess) 14:42:11 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:42:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-66-174.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:42:34 or any similar basic tutorial of similar quality 14:42:39 merk_ [~merk@212.91.105.176] has joined #lisp 14:43:02 http://www.xach.com/lisp/asdf-tutorial/ 14:43:04 that one? 14:43:15 yes! Thanks. 14:45:34 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:53 segv-: i'm trying to do something similar and seeing where that leads me 14:51:31 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 14:51:38 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:54:13 natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:19 stopbit [~stopbit@static-108-48-124-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:58 ST` [~user@216-161-126-33.dia.static.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 14:56:12 benny [~user@i577A8E20.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:56:13 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-66-174.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:56:29 -!- changxue [~changxue@182.131.240.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:53 hi segv- :) 15:02:02 hi fe[nl]ix. 15:02:11 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@cs78247138.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:22 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has quit [] 15:03:20 forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:08:51 ivan4th [~user@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 15:10:02 sykopomp: we have a function for automatically generating .asd files from a directory tree, let me know if you want to check it out. 15:10:46 adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:28 gendl: how does it figure out the dependencies? 15:12:03 from a control file called depends-on.isc 15:12:38 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-32-223.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:01 see section 3.3 of this Manual (the manual is a very rough draft, but sec. 3.3 might be usable already): 15:13:11 https://github.com/genworks/Genworks-GDL/blob/master/documentation/tutorial/pdf/tutorial.pdf?raw=true 15:13:55 -!- bniels [~niels@p4FD6E6D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:14:06 In order to get the cl-lite function you do (ql:quickload :genworks-gdl) 15:14:25 (well, that gives you the whole system which includes a bunch more than what you need for cl-lite 15:14:33 eichelbart [~max@client192-60.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 15:14:42 just to get core gendl and cl-lite function, you can just do (ql:quickload :gdl-cl-lite) ) 15:14:51 hi 15:18:16 normanrichards [~normanric@63.98.50.138] has joined #lisp 15:20:44 gendl: I use make-project 15:20:58 gendl: I wanted the tutorial to help someone understand the basics of asdf. 15:21:33 make-project is probably more general than our stuff 15:21:51 ehu [~ehu@109.33.123.11] has joined #lisp 15:22:48 nikodem_ [~mikey@user-164-127-85-38.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:22:48 -!- nikodem_ [~mikey@user-164-127-85-38.play-internet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:25 if you teach them quicklisp quickproject, do they really need to know asdf gory details? 15:25:27 i try to avoid ever dealing with .asd files directly... 15:25:38 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 15:25:55 -!- merk_ [~merk@212.91.105.176] has quit [Quit: merk_] 15:25:58 in Xach's quickproject tutorial: http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html?thread=674335 15:26:06 he talks about editing the .asd file to add new dependencies 15:26:42 but I think one could just as well call (quickproject:make-project  ) again and give it the new list of dependencies. 15:27:10 similarly we only ever t edit the depends-on.isc control file, and re-run (cl-lite ) 15:27:21 but if you added new files, they'll be lost 15:27:21 would anyone be willing to help me with a problem concerning sbcl and sb-grovel? i'm sure it's nothing complicated. i'm pretty new to lisp, so i think that's why i am not able to solve this by myself... 15:27:30 eichelbart: just ask 15:27:39 but, why not use cffi-grovel? 15:28:15 when i try to start a swank server inside stumpwm i get the following error message: http://paste.lisp.org/+2VWL 15:28:23 stassats: added new files where, to the .asd file or to the actual directory? 15:28:50 -!- green_ [~green@dsl-207-112-125-99.tor.primus.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:52 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:58 if you add new source files to the directory they will be picked up by something like quickproject:make-project or gdl:cl-lite 15:29:50 -!- forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:54 since i only recently set up this system and didn't (at least to my knowledge) mess with the sbcl installation i have no idea where this comes from 15:30:08 gendl: but it doesn't determine the right dependency order? 15:30:08 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:12 forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:30:50 -!- forrest__ [~forrest@rrcs-64-183-255-247.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:30:58 eichelbart: well, it's perfectly clear, you're using an older sbcl with newer fasls 15:31:08 stassats: you mean the ordering of the source files? 15:31:12 yes 15:31:36 i'm not sure about quickproject, but cl-lite uses another control file for that --- file-ordering.isc where you can specify a (partial) ordering 15:31:59 sbcl --version replies SBCL 1.1.3 ... 15:32:39 i guess quickproject:make-project just generates the initial .asd, after that you are expected to hand-edit? 15:32:53 green_ [~green@dsl-207-112-125-99.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 15:32:53 kilon_alios [~kilon@130.43.26.196.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:33:11 eichelbart: and when you start it, what does (lisp-implementation-version) say? 15:33:43 "1.1.3" 15:33:52 why do people consider .asd files such a big problem? The base case is as simple as it gets, and works for lots of stuff. 15:34:09 eichelbart: now try (require 'sb-introspect) again 15:34:23 prxq: ASDF is a nightmare 15:34:24 -!- kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:34:42 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 15:34:46 -!- kilon [~kilon@130.43.26.196.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr] has quit [Changing host] 15:34:46 kilon [~kilon@unaffiliated/thekilon] has joined #lisp 15:34:53 any sort of system definition file creates a double-maintenance burden whenever you add/remove/rename source files. 15:34:55 when you're using for something more than just sequentially loading files 15:35:15 works inside the repl 15:35:45 which is why I prefer to have something which automatically generates system definition file based on heuristics from the codebase 15:36:09 with optional control files to give hints where necessary (but no control files needed for the base default case) 15:36:18 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:11 and that "something" must always be able to regenerate whenever the codebase tree changes -- so .asd file (or any system def file) should be considered read-only as far as humans in my opinion. 15:37:15 stassats: but that covers most use cases, I would think. 15:37:22 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.130.225] has joined #lisp 15:38:30 not really, people use fancy features all the time 15:38:47 eichelbart: so, did you figure it out? 15:38:49 nan_ [~user@178.233.216.230] has joined #lisp 15:39:07 stumpwm still says no: Error while trying to load definition for system sb-posix from pathname /usr/lib/sbcl/sb-posix/sb-posix.asd: # is a fasl file compiled with SBCL 1.1.3, and can't be loaded into SBCL 1.1.1.. 15:39:13 stassats: which features do you have in mind? 15:39:40 eichelbart: you have to remove the stale fasls. 15:39:46 for a HASH-TABLE with #'equal, is there a way I can get the (normalized/common) key? Ie. I do (push obj (gethash (list x) ht)) and want to get the _same_ cons cell of the key back for reuse here. 15:39:52 how do i do that? 15:39:55 prxq: it's not stale fasls, it's a stale implementation 15:40:01 -!- holzplatten [~GNUdiSt@175.Red-81-43-132.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 15:40:07 eichelbart: you need to recompile stumpwm 15:40:11 hm, ok 15:40:28 you saved an image with 1.1.1, and now you have fasls for 1.1.3 15:40:35 i did only one hour ago. worked like a charm 15:41:16 problem stays the same... 15:41:28 well, remove the stumpwm binary 15:41:33 huangjs [~huangjs@67-42-84-147.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:41:34 make a new one 15:41:48 flip214: why not use the cons cell itself? 15:41:56 it's modifiable 15:44:31 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 15:45:33 ok, did. let's see. i'll report right back. 15:45:36 bye 15:45:37 -!- eichelbart [~max@client192-60.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:45:54 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-119-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 15:46:00 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-119-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:46:01 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-119-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 15:46:09 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:15 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 15:48:53 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:49:21 _d3f [~freedo@nl2.ovpn.to] has joined #lisp 15:50:55 eichelbart [~max@client192-60.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 15:51:54 thank you guys, you saved my day/week! 15:52:40 turned out i simply forgot to replace the binary in /usr/local/bin after recompiling stumpwm... 15:53:37 -!- cfy [~ilisp@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:54:01 /month/year? 15:54:03 stassats: I want to store a list of items, _and_ a shared cons cell. PUSH has the advantage of not having to traverse the list. 15:54:24 oh, of course I could to (PUSH obj (CDR (GETHASH ...))) hmmmm. 15:54:49 i sue (defun prepend (item list) (psetf (car list) item (cdr list) (cons (car list) (cdr list)))) for that 15:54:55 probably decade... 15:55:04 -!- findiggle2 [~kirkwood@67.40.30.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:55:07 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 15:55:12 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-235-151.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:59 stassats: I see 15:56:23 not for hashtables, but for class slots 15:57:34 segv- [~mb@dslb-088-075-119-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:55 -!- eichelbart [~max@client192-60.wlan.hu-berlin.de] has quit [Quit: thx] 16:00:33 -!- jeti` [~user@p54A1E4D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:01:03 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:53 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:03:26 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 16:03:31 anyone for http://planet.lisp.org/rss20.xml? 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I don't know where this signal comes from, but is there a way to solve the fact that sbcl exits on this signal 17:12:05 ? 17:15:26 (sb-sys:ignore-interrupt sb-posix:sigusr2) 17:15:42 ykm [~user@124.155.255.231] has joined #lisp 17:15:47 -!- przl [~przlrkt@46.231.183.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:16:25 stassats, will I have problems ignoring it ? 17:16:30 no 17:16:36 it's not used by sbcl 17:17:05 Urfin [~user@213.57.184.226] has joined #lisp 17:17:34 should it be done under the hood by my lib, or should I advise inside documentation ? 17:19:24 I've been kicked out anyway ! 17:20:41 levabalkin [~levabalki@89.46.143.44] has joined #lisp 17:20:51 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:21:02 stassats, I'm kicked out fomr swank I think, since from sbcl prompt I can call (asdf:test-system :cl-ecore) anytime I want 17:22:51 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:23 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:24:45 -!- svetlyak40wt [~svetlyak4@dhcp175-196-red3.yandex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:24:49 -!- ST` [~user@216-161-126-33.dia.static.qwest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:47 How might I quit a running sbcl image from a thread? (sb-ext:quit) doesn't seem to be working. I've also tried destroying all active threads before calling quit. 17:26:11 by "a thread" I mean one that is not the one running the REPL. 17:26:25 ikki [~ikki@187.208.225.98] has joined #lisp 17:27:08 -!- nikodem [~nikodem@user-164-127-85-38.play-internet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:28:10 sb-thread:destroy-thread ? 17:28:42 or terminate 17:29:11 Yeah, I've done that. 17:29:25 It doesn't seem to be able to kill "initial-thread" 17:29:32 jack_rabbit: (sb-ext:exit) 17:29:44 zolk3ri [~Zol1ka@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 17:29:49 jack_rabbit: that's why quit was deprecated for exit some time ago. 17:29:55 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: rpg] 17:30:22 mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has joined #lisp 17:32:03 stassats: I have an old tree, but my SBCL uses sigusr2 when stopping the world. 17:32:07 rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:27 maybe it's using a magic value? 17:33:41 ok, I'll stay with swank:*COMMUNICATION-STYLE* to NIL, since it works 17:33:45 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:34:01 kiuma: and it also sucks 17:34:09 very much 17:34:46 I'll try SIGIO but I'm not very confident 17:35:02 Joreji_ [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:35:16 pkhuong: oh, damn, i typoed rgrep sigusr2 -r, instead of -i 17:35:38 kiuma: sigusr2 is indeed used by sbcl 17:35:41 the disadvantages are that it may conflict with other uses of SIGIO by Lisp code 17:36:00 -!- ykm [~user@124.155.255.231] has left #lisp 17:36:07 but I don't understand why with swank:*COMMUNICATION-STYLE* to nil works 17:37:34 mm... maybe I can ask #edevelop to know if it's ecore main loop that sends this message and if I can filter it 17:37:37 stassats, pkhuong, Thanks. I'll have a look at that. 17:38:29 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-75-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:39:23 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.38] has joined #lisp 17:39:56 Odyessus [~odyessus@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 17:40:05 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:43:43 nikodem [~nikodem@user-109-243-27-79.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:45:02 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:15 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has joined #lisp 17:51:16 stlifey [~stlifey@59.35.102.21] has joined #lisp 17:51:52 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53:06 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-3-63-237.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: The Garbage Collector got me...] 17:54:24 AeroNotix [~xeno@abot26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:55:14 pkhuong, sbcl is complaining that sb-ext:exit is not defined. 17:55:15 kiuma: what are you writing bindings for? 17:55:43 prxq, ecore 17:55:45 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@rrcs-108-178-120-144.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 17:56:07 prxq, from www.enlightenment.org 18:01:23 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:04:17 And I can't seem to find any information on sb-ext:exit. 18:04:41 why do you need information on it? 18:06:04 Well if it exists, I would think I could find some documentation on it. 18:06:05 paul0_ [~paul0@187.112.68.10] has joined #lisp 18:06:52 it just exits sbcl, what else do you need to know? 18:07:02 It doesn't exist in my sbcl. 18:07:14 update your sbcl then 18:09:37 Do you know what version introduced it? This is the type of information I'm trying to find. 18:10:23 check the git log 18:10:31 cool 18:11:53 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@213.47.71.36] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 18:12:16 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:13:12 Kenjin [~kenjin@bl6-50-240.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:14:14 Ahh. That's my problem. My distro's sbcl is about a year old... 18:15:47 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:22 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 18:17:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.231] has joined #lisp 18:17:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@92.47.191.231] has quit [Changing host] 18:17:52 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:18:38 -!- yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.169] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:29 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:24:41 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 18:25:30 -!- b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.8.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28:41 MrWoohoo [~MrWoohoo@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:51 -!- arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-gbomhtxlrrnhirzf] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:30:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:31:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:32:01 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.183.128] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:34:16 gendl: have a look at https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/tools/make-depends.lisp#line1258 18:35:23 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@59.35.102.21] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 18:35:53 CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:14 mjs2600` [~user@dhcp-128-103-224-206.harvard.edu] has joined #lisp 18:38:04 rpg_ [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:17 b1rkh0ff [~b1rkh0ff@178.77.1.200] has joined #lisp 18:38:38 Odyessus [~odyessus@213.47.71.36] has joined #lisp 18:38:40 -!- two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:38:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39:18 -!- mjs2600 [~user@50.55.138.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:39:39 adelgado1 [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:23 -!- rpg [~rpg@23-25-144-217-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:41:41 Does SBCL 1.1.3/development version work properly on FreeBSD 9.1? 18:41:56 -!- adelgado [~TomSawyer@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:45:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45:51 -!- nilsi [~nilsi@c83-253-22-138.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:11 -!- elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:16 Joreji_ [~thomas@72-228.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:48:22 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has joined #lisp 18:49:54 -!- sawgij [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:51:05 zolk3ri: I think so. 18:52:09 elixey [~eilyx@gateway/tor-sasl/eilyx] has joined #lisp 18:52:52 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.214.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:53:01 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-248-71.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:54:34 CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:30 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.30.142.232] has joined #lisp 18:56:36 -!- adelgado1 is now known as adelgado 18:57:57 ebobby [~fms@189.170.52.145] has joined #lisp 19:01:37 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@213.47.71.36] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - 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