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Guthur` [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:05 -!- bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:38:02 -!- Guthur [~user@eth2845.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:41:13 -!- typeclassy [~user@ool-ae2ceba4.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:44:14 Are there in any ways of using two versions of the same system within the same image? 04:47:03 leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.143.149.25] has joined #lisp 04:47:15 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 04:47:33 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@arh2191.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:48:57 Guthur`: If you load one, then RENAME-PACKAGE on any packages it created, then load the other, you might have some success. 04:49:13 gigamonk_ [~textual@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 04:49:45 CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:49:48 normanrichards 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Ie. set CAR to the first new element, and CDR to (nappend my-list (cdr cell))? 06:49:29 z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has joined #lisp 06:50:14 -!- z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has quit [Client Quit] 06:51:17 clhs nconc 06:51:18 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_nconc.htm 06:51:52 sw2wolf: yes, of course - but I wanted to know if there's something for (setf (car cell) (car list) (cdr cell) (nconc list (cdr cell))) 06:52:03 rationalrevolt [~rationalr@c-24-63-159-47.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:54:40 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:12 -!- tensorpu1ding [~tensorpud@99.23.127.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:04:23 mcsontos_ [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 07:04:44 flip214_: what on earth are you trying to do? I can't fathom why such a thing would be useful 07:04:58 flip214_: Methinks you got the car/cdr's wrong 07:05:18 -!- rationalrevolt [~rationalr@c-24-63-159-47.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rationalrevolt] 07:05:37 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06:15 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 07:08:58 rationalrevolt_ [~rationalr@c-24-63-159-47.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:40 hm. in sbcl, (lambda (env) (find-class 'cons t env)) gets you an "env is defined but never used" warning, apparently because of the compiler macro on find-class 07:11:50 bniels [~niels@p4FD6C548.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:00 how could that be fixed? edit the compiler macro to uselessly use env? 07:20:10 or declare env ignoreable 07:20:44 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-1176494827.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 07:22:01 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:22:23 well, yes, but i don't think sbcl should be warning there. 07:22:36 loke_erc: I've got a list of strings, and a function that splits one of the elements into other strings, which should be "injected" in the original list 07:24:16 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-71-228.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:25:01 flip214_: but that's not what your code does 07:26:54 hmmm, what does it do? 07:27:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-68-154.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:28:45 flip214_: just try it 07:28:46 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 07:29:26 perhaps I've mistyped here, works for me 07:30:02 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.110] has joined #lisp 07:31:37 Bike: you can (funcall #'find-class ...) instead. That'll avoid the compile macro expansion 07:31:41 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:04 -!- rationalrevolt_ [~rationalr@c-24-63-159-47.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: rationalrevolt_] 07:32:17 I mean that I would like the compiler macro to be fixed. 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Like *, **, *** etc. 10:06:28 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07:27 sirdancealot6 [~webos@cst-prg-56-250.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 10:07:53 C-RET 10:08:22 M-RET, rather 10:08:46 stassats: thanks, but I'm in slimv, so keyboard shortcuts don't help. I'd need a symbol or swank function. 10:09:08 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.183.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:09:41 and how would I use M-RET? (identity ) would insert the place I was just inspecting? 10:09:51 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:10:28 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 10:11:32 doomlord [~doomlod@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:11:46 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 10:11:52 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-253-60-75.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:12:06 stassats: In what kind of buffer would M-RET be appropriate? 10:12:41 chr: in the inspector, of course 10:14:55 -!- fantasticsid [~user@216.240.135.158] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:17:11 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:18:06 -!- sirdancealot6 [~webos@cst-prg-56-250.cust.vodafone.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:18:27 fantasticsid [~user@216.240.135.158] has joined #lisp 10:18:32 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-222-250-218.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 10:20:06 Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #lisp 10:22:41 spiderwe` [~user@174-28-164-60.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 10:22:56 edgar-rf_ [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-153.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 10:23:23 -!- Amoz [~Amoz@nl107-187-231.student.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:23:25 lacedaemon [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 10:24:00 fasta_ [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 10:24:06 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-30.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:24:52 jrockway_ [jrockway@itchy.jrock.us] has joined #lisp 10:24:55 dim` [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 10:25:00 Subfusc_ [~Subfusc@tjenen.de] has joined #lisp 10:25:40 eventhor1zon [~null@107-200-38-103.lightspeed.tulsok.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:47 nuba_ [~nuba@pauleira.com] has joined #lisp 10:25:54 Borbus_ [borbus@85.17.58.106] has joined #lisp 10:25:55 snafuchs [~foobar@boots.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:55 callen_ [~callen@li125-243.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 10:26:36 blubberdi [~foobar@blubberdiblub.org] has joined #lisp 10:27:24 bitonic [~user@ppp-133-38.24-151.libero.it] has joined #lisp 10:27:44 _death [void@213.251.177.42] has joined #lisp 10:28:43 Spaceghostc2c_ [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has joined #lisp 10:29:04 -!- Spaceghostc2c [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- qlkzy [qlkzy@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:4a4a] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- ered [~ered@2001:470:8:a21:8e89:a5ff:fe15:4aa0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- brendyn [brendyn@2400:8900::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- adeht [void@flash.ignite.lol.vc] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:04 -!- callen [~callen@unaffiliated/callen] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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I'm trying to prevent the program from waiting for input. 10:44:42 Gertm [~Gertm@178-119-53-170.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 10:45:07 clhs listen 10:45:07 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_listen.htm 10:45:07 jack_rabbit: nil is very proper. 10:45:14 Great! 10:45:18 clhs r-c-n-h 10:45:19 read-char-no-hang: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_rd_c_1.htm 10:46:25 jack_rabbit: what stassats says - if you want to detect eof in read-line, use nil as eof-value, otherwise use listen before calling read-line. 10:46:56 I'll have to use listen. I tried nil, but it still hangs. Thanks. 10:47:15 on an interactive stream? 10:48:00 or a network stream? 10:48:02 If the standard input is an interactive stream when nothing is piped to it, then yes. 10:49:06 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 10:49:07 clhs in-s-p 10:49:07 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for in-s-p. 10:49:10 clhs i-s-p 10:49:10 interactive-stream-p: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_intera.htm 10:50:12 returns T. 10:55:54 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:59:44 Great. Got it working with (listen *standard-input*). Thanks, guys. 10:59:46 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 11:00:03 that's the same as (listen) 11:02:52 benny [~user@i577A7F1C.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:04:42 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:08:43 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Quit: kcj] 11:10:58 -!- loke_erc [~user@c-4957e555.012-14-67626717.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:34 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:53 -!- tcr2 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:18:19 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 11:18:20 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@101.175.148.65] has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:23:30 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 11:24:04 what would cause a # when attempting to set a slot value the same as others ive sucessfully set? 11:24:26 ive been stuck on this for 2 days now :/ 11:24:50 are you using ffi by any chance? 11:24:54 cffi 11:25:02 writing into memory areas into which you are not supposed to write 11:25:05 axion: then you've smashed your memory somehow. 11:25:14 axion: welcome in "C" land 11:25:46 ah damn 11:26:12 yeah quite a welcome for me this week. not sure im gonna stick around though 11:26:31 sirdancealot6 [~webos@cst-prg-56-250.cust.vodafone.cz] has joined #lisp 11:27:04 well, paste your code, let's take a look 11:28:38 http://sprunge.us/METi 11:28:43 setf at the end 11:29:40 pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 11:31:38 Joreji [~thomas@65-099.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 11:31:55 you shouldn't return it, it's dead after WITH-FOREIGN-OBJECTS ends 11:32:42 ? 11:33:17 your object escapes the dynamic extent at which it's live 11:33:22 alive 11:33:47 which? 11:33:59 native-window 11:34:18 cffi allocates objects on the stack 11:34:20 s/ccl/ 11:34:27 err, s/cffi/ccl ffi/ 11:34:35 w-f-o is the whole file though 11:34:39 pretty much 11:34:52 I still don't know what ccl is. 11:35:28 axion: well, so the code you're showing us is not the code which is causing you trouble? 11:35:47 yes it is...the problem line is (setf hWnd native-window) 11:35:51 all else works 11:35:59 what problem does it have? 11:36:01 pessoa: probably Clozure Common Lisp 11:36:14 it is not a foreign pointer, but a bogus object 11:36:36 I only use Ecl and Clisp. 11:36:45 axion: well, it's allocated on the stack 11:36:59 it becomes bogus after your function returns 11:37:20 (cffi:with-foreign-object (bar 'foo) (print bar)) # => # 11:37:35 -!- spiderwe` [~user@174-28-164-60.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:38:04 aha...wow 11:38:21 add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-22-155.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:38:34 even if it weren't on the stack, it would be freed by with-foreign-object 11:38:35 me and derrida have been trying everything for 2 days 11:38:57 so what advantages is Clozure Common Lisp supposed to have over Clisp? 11:38:58 so, if you want it to live longer, you need to use cffi:foreign-alloc 11:39:15 i tried that and get something weirder....lets see 11:39:20 ams [ams@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has joined #lisp 11:39:24 pessoa: it is a native compiler. clisp targets its own virtual machine. 11:39:44 pessoa: (which makes ccl be significantly faster than clisp) 11:39:59 i would say "not brain damaged", but i might offend some people with it, so i won't say it 11:40:00 iirc ccl has a better threads support than clisp. 11:40:39 ccl also works better with slime. and has support for accessing apple apis 11:41:10 quite frankly, i don't quite know a good reason why one would prefer clisp over ccl or sbcl nowadays. 11:42:03 -!- ams [ams@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE] has quit [Changing host] 11:42:03 ams [ams@gnu/inetutils/ams] has joined #lisp 11:42:29 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-68-154.lns20.bne4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:42:33 I don't want native compilation 11:42:40 because? 11:44:28 because compilation makes things less flexible 11:44:34 H4ns: cause it smells like C, which is bad, y'know? 11:44:50 pessoa: wat? 11:45:38 pessoa: well, anyway, there is nothing wrong with clisp or ecl. if you like them, enjoy. 11:46:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@65-099.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48:05 stassats: you rule yet again 11:48:09 thank you sir 11:48:19 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:51:31 H4ns: how did you manage to get ffigen4 working for raspi? 11:52:12 or... 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Because there is a standard all implementations (in the perfect world) conform to. 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an optional arg, or there is a return form 17:55:13 puchacz: that would interfere with macros establishing blocks you don't know about 17:55:22 ah, ok 17:55:25 i.e (return-from) or (return) 17:55:26 I'd better not to then 17:56:12 mr_vile [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 17:59:29 AeroNoti1 [~xeno@ably120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:00:01 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:02 puchacz: usually, the innermost block is named nil, so return would do. But otherwise not. 18:00:02 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 18:00:11 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 18:00:36 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@ceg138.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:43 (loop :do (return)) #|good|# (loop :named my-loop :do (return)) #|hosed|# 18:00:51 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:30 pjb: but within a defun-ed function (if I am not in a loop etc), a block is called as the function 18:02:58 -!- nikodem [~mikey@user-46-113-134-204.play-internet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:11 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-36.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 18:03:11 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-36.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 18:03:11 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 18:03:55 sodel [~user@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 18:05:09 chitofan [dcff0277@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.255.2.119] has joined #lisp 18:06:05 NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:13 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:07:49 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:07:56 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:03 puchacz: indeed, but a lot of macro expand to an implicit block named nil. You said to return from the innermost block, not from the function's block. 18:08:47 (defun f () (dotimes (i 10 42) (return 33))) (f) --> 33 18:09:22 (defun f () (block :hi (dotimes (i 10 42) (return-from f 33)) 0)) (f) --> 33 18:09:35 (defun f () (block :hi (dotimes (i 10 42) (return 33)) 0)) (f) --> 0 18:09:45 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:09:50 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 18:09:57 oh, you were out. 18:10:00 puchacz: indeed, but a lot of macro expand to an implicit block named nil. You said to return from the innermost block, not from the function's block. 18:10:02 (defun f () (block :hi (dotimes (i 10 42) (return-from f 33)) 0)) (f) --> 33 18:10:05 (defun f () (block :hi (dotimes (i 10 42) (return 33)) 0)) (f) --> 0 18:11:32 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.183.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:11:52 pjb: indeed, thx 18:12:32 -!- myx [~myx@pppoe-198-68-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Quit: ] 18:15:20 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-092.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:49 pjb, what's your favorite lisp special operator, and furthermore favorite operator in general 18:15:55 agumonkey [~agu@243.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:26 -!- EasyAt [~Easy@unaffiliated/easyat] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:16:35 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:17:27 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@176.14.127.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:18:18 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.183.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 18:26:18 StephenS [~StephenS@xshellz/founder/StephenS] has joined #lisp 18:27:29 Qworkescence: :-) 18:28:06 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:06 Qworkescence: I would have to say function, since it let you write (function (lambda )) and anything you want. 18:29:45 mikey___ [~mikey@user-46-113-134-204.play-internet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:31:07 Thra11 [~thrall@87.115.73.220] has joined #lisp 18:31:09 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 18:31:12 pjb, why is writing (function (lambda..)) useful over writing just (lambda..) 18:31:15 sshirokov [sshirokov@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 18:31:24 talas [~talas@136.144.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:31:45 lambda is not a special operator. You asked for a special operator. 18:32:15 So lambda would be my favorite operator in general. 18:32:31 back in the ghost 18:32:57 -!- gigamonkey [~textual@50.1.48.145] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:33:36 gigamonkey [~textual@50.1.48.145] has joined #lisp 18:36:47 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.86.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:38:22 -!- sodel [~user@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 18:39:05 -!- KingNato [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:13 KingNato [~isildur@c-e9eee253.012-31-73746f43.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:41:54 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:44:23 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:45:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:46:14 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has 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[~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:06:14 i need a helpful hint on how to clean up this boilerplate with into smaller functions: http://sprunge.us/NbYU 21:06:38 AeroNotix [~xeno@ably120.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 21:09:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:10:48 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:10:55 axion: why? 21:11:22 axion: the problem I see, is the use of FFI. 21:11:43 If you used a library written in Lisp, instead of a foreign library, you wouldn't have that boilerplate. 21:12:12 An alternative would be to write a "compiler" that would translate something more like lisp code, into those FFI calls. 21:12:17 -!- francogrex [~user@109.134.234.33] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:12:38 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:12:42 But this would be profitable, only if you used it a lot, not just to reduce the size of a single function. 21:13:24 pjb: given the art (see http://www.lostgarden.com/2007/05/dancs-miraculously-flexible-game.html), would you be interested into programming some simple games you already have in lisp with a visual frontend? :) 21:14:25 pjb: so it is fine then? hmm ok. i was told to fix it ad i'm not sure how :) 21:15:00 EDRIL 21:15:15 axion: I didn't say it was fine :-/ 21:15:31 I'm saying that if it works you may want to spend your time on something else. 21:15:54 To fix it, write the algorithm in lisp, and see how you can translate the lisp sexp into what you have here. 21:16:11 bananagram [~bot@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:16:29 dim: the problem is not the art, it's the time. I'm wage slave now. :-( 21:16:49 understood 21:16:58 axion: just split it into several functions 21:16:59 You had your opportunity to hire a lisper :-/ 21:17:14 thanks, thats what i am trying to do 21:17:49 jeti`` [~user@p548E9BD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:19:09 -!- pessoa [~pessoa@188-195-211-39-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Started wasting time elsewhere] 21:19:21 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-37-27.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:21:02 -!- sirdancealot1 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:21:10 -!- jeti` [~user@p54A1EF22.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:23:01 heyandy [~heyandy@mail.antell.com.py] has joined #lisp 21:23:09 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 21:24:17 axion: just write lisp code: http://paste.lisp.org/+2VKD 21:25:03 pjb: thanks. i am rather new to lisp as you can tell. 21:25:53 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 21:26:08 It's dumb to use foreign libraries: CL compilers generate code that runs between 1 and 2 times the code generated by C/C++ compilers. When you use FFI, you lose all your time in converting between lisp and C data representations, at each function call! So calling FFI functions is necessarily slower than calling the equivalent lisp function. 21:27:02 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:27:07 -!- heyandy [~heyandy@mail.antell.com.py] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:38 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 21:30:39 how can i not use a foreign library to configure my bcm2835 for ES? 21:30:47 not sure i understand you 21:33:35 axion: you're definitely excused :) 21:33:41 sdemarre [~serge@109.134.185.79] has joined #lisp 21:33:48 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:53 ? 21:34:36 axion: just joking about the FFI debate 21:35:15 by the comment about broadcom chip and ES, I'm guessing RPi? 21:35:23 indeed 21:35:54 yeah, just looked into code 21:36:04 http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/ 21:36:13 you might be interested in reusing some of the existing bindings for OpenGL 21:36:20 i'm doing that 21:36:20 tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 21:36:25 good :) 21:36:49 Well, you see the problem is that you're not using the display directly, you're using it thru OpenGL. 21:37:34 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 21:37:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:37:56 If you had the documentation of the hardware, you could write in lisp the code to drive it directly, without the need for those "libraries". 21:38:23 But now, what you can do, is to implement all the functions I used in that lisppaste, calling the foreing libraries from them. 21:38:28 there is hardly any documentation, and the driver is utter crap 21:38:34 Yes :-) 21:38:35 no comments, etc 21:39:34 In any case, writing (bcm-host-init) will always be better than writing (foreign-funcall "bcm_host_init" :void). 21:40:34 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@95-90-241-167-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:40:39 For example, you called foreign-alloc in your function, but you never called foreign-free. 21:41:03 i was under the impression that they are freed after the dynamic scope of w-f-o is complete 21:41:19 If you wrote a lisp get-display-size, you would (hopefully) remember to use unwind-protect and call foreign-free, or to use the with-foreign-memory macro instead, because you wouldn't have to think about all the rest of that initialize-opengles function 21:41:31 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:49 axion: he means width-pointer and height-pointer, for which you didn't use w-f-o. 21:44:34 aha 21:44:43 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:44:48 ok, i have something to work on now, thanks for your input 21:48:46 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc02-o.oracle.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:05 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-176-54.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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(sleep 0.25)) ;; running this under current ql slime causes emacs 24.2 to need 100% cpu 22:41:58 at least here 22:44:15 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d953.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:25 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:47:18 -!- cosfx [~cosfx@wsip-98-175-172-245.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:48:52 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:55:51 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:59:32 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-005-153.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 23:01:05 -!- Spaceghostc2c [Spaceghost@unaffiliated/spaceghostc2c] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:01:36 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003b17.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:02:54 Not with emacs-version "24.2.1". 23:03:19 4% only. 23:03:22 I tried it on Windows and Arch Linux, didn't get the issue. 23:03:30 on linux wit ccl. 23:03:31 sure it's not due to the connection method? 23:03:41 Perhaps, yes. 23:03:57 i have no idea why they didn't specify an implementation, but in any case they seem to be gone now 23:04:23 CCL on Windows, SBCL on Linux. 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