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Would it be possible to temporarily override builtins like get-universal-time? 01:07:40 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:12 cddr: how about you make a package for it, and write a function get-universal-time in your package? 01:08:24 -!- fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has quit [Quit: fsvehla] 01:09:10 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:11:56 That wouldln't work. The idea is that time-sensitive code (e.g. code that calls get-universal-time) can be tested by pretending the time that would be returned is different 01:13:02 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:13:18 well the effects of redefining CL symbols' functions is undefined, so, no 01:13:39 but if you wrote your own code to rely on a redefinable function, there you go. 01:13:41 -!- Jasko2 [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14:11 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:16:45 Forty-Two [~seana11@outbound.terrawi.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:00 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@outbound.terrawi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:17:35 riverc4c [~riverc4c@pool-71-183-214-254.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:54 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-5f730d13.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:27 -!- bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: The computer fell asleep] 01:18:51 bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 01:22:56 -!- riverc4c [~riverc4c@pool-71-183-214-254.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 01:23:09 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:09 -!- natechan [~natechan@50-192-61-46-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 01:23:15 -!- bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:35 bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:27 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:28 cddr: you might be able to do it with a symbol macro; I'm not sure if that's allowed 01:31:49 nevermind that won't work 01:32:05 -!- gridaphobe [~user@169.228.188.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:40:49 cddr: most applications run in their own packages, so you should be able to shadow the get-universal-time (you won't be able to override calls like (cl:get-universal-time) though) 01:41:30 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:02 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:45:10 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:48:05 hiro3w [~hiro@p210079202073.cnh.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:52:44 -!- boogie [~boogie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:31 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:47 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:22 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:59:44 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-13-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 02:00:02 -!- ered [~ered@2001:470:8:a21:8e89:a5ff:fe15:4aa0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:18 PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 02:03:42 orthecreedence [~kvirc@c-67-180-62-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:05:08 new_one [~peter@50.10.183.158] has joined #lisp 02:05:21 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.240.222.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:05:52 -!- newbie_coder [4267ffa3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.103.255.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:08:21 ered [~ered@2001:470:8:a21:8e89:a5ff:fe15:4aa0] has joined #lisp 02:08:59 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 02:09:58 _tca` [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has joined #lisp 02:11:33 -!- _tca [~user@h151.25.91.207.static.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:14:10 gridaphobe [~user@cpe-66-91-253-127.san.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:15:25 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: I tend to be neutral about apples] 02:15:41 -!- _tca` is now known as _tca 02:18:20 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.17.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:18:33 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:18:55 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:45 Rakko [~rakko@71-90-72-104.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:24:57 does anyone actually understand all the permutations of eval-when? I (a beginner) certainly don't, and then I found this , which makes me wonder if anyone gets it. 02:25:44 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:44 Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-5-171.hdqu1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 02:29:00 -!- zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:29:03 -!- Forty-Two [~seana11@outbound.terrawi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:29:21 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 02:33:05 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@CPE-120-147-5-171.hdqu1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 02:36:59 boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:49 -!- boogie [~boogie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45:51 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:47:04 riverc4c [~riverc4c@pool-71-183-214-254.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:48:23 francisl 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in fact, in stumpwm you can define several ASDF system 04:03:06 -!- benny [~user@i577A7868.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:03:42 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@112.96.164.187] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 04:04:14 -!- cddr [~user@173-166-33-147-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:05:18 or it is better to call it distribution to avoid messy with defpackapge 04:05:30 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 04:05:35 defpackage is a name space 04:06:20 CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:06:44 quicklisp uses "distribution" for something else too. 04:06:55 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.91.215] has joined #lisp 04:07:25 oh 04:10:24 in quicklisp I see lots of nouns so far: dists, releases, systems, projects 04:11:18 a bit messy 04:14:52 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:15 ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:38 hey gang, when using an interactive lisp interpreter (clisp, sbcl, or slime on top of one of them) is there a way to print the command history to a static file for reusing later? 04:17:48 -!- CatMtKing [~chrono220@108-224-122-111.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:15 ahungry: dribble? 04:20:18 Bike: my question is dribble? or that is something I can use to do that? 04:20:30 clhs dribble 04:20:31 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_dribbl.htm 04:21:29 thanks 04:26:01 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:18 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:42 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-96-240-138-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 04:26:46 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 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madnificent would recommend jsown 07:49:42 i didn't know so many json tools were available 07:49:43 thank you 07:50:02 and i heard more people complaining some way or another about cl-json 07:50:03 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:50:19 is there a way to make a drakma-request that's normally utf8 but doesn't complain about images? 07:50:27 (drakma:http-request (url page) :parameters '(("charset" . "utf-8"))) 07:50:34 is what I am currently using 07:50:46 Vicfred [~Grothendi@201.102.132.153] has joined #lisp 07:50:56 do I have to write an exception handling mechanism for fallback? 07:51:04 charset is a parameter that is send to the server, drakma doesn't care about it 07:51:17 sent 07:51:42 if the server returns the correct mime-type, drakma would handle it properly 07:51:56 cornihilio: what error are you experiencing? 07:53:31 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has joined #lisp 07:53:57 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.169] has joined #lisp 07:56:31 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-000-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:33 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 07:58:36 Ralt_ [~Ralt@107.200.11.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:00:56 it's screwing up on images 08:01:27 that's a not very good description 08:01:52 a .ico (a favoriticon I believe) causes an error because it's a binary image 08:02:02 ; Evaluation aborted on #. 08:02:42 well, why are you trying to parse html with binary data then? 08:02:50 maybe i'm being naive here, but i don't think encoding an arbitrary image as utf-8 is going to work out 08:03:29 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:46 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:00 you should be checking what drakma gives you before you call chtml:parse 08:05:08 ubii [~ubii@adsl-70-238-145-152.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:05:08 -!- ubii [~ubii@adsl-70-238-145-152.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:05:08 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 08:06:35 -!- pjb [~t@92.103.75.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:09:20 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.208.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:10:56 jsown has the best documentation 08:14:26 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@107.200.11.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:15:26 Kaisyu2 [~sanggi0.l@72-254-61-139.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 08:15:50 -!- Kaisyu [~sanggi0.l@72-254-61-139.client.stsn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:18:53 k0001 [~k0001@host177.186-125-115.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 08:21:41 Ralt_ [~Ralt@107.200.11.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:23:36 -!- jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:23:59 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: dead] 08:24:04 -!- engblom` is now known as engblom 08:24:04 -!- engblom [~user@dsl-83.148.221-205-dynip.ssp.fi] has quit [Changing host] 08:24:04 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 08:27:30 jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has joined #lisp 08:31:11 -!- Kaisyu2 [~sanggi0.l@72-254-61-139.client.stsn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:32:41 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:33:12 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 08:33:19 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 08:33:38 fsvehla [~fsvehla@h081217181184.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 08:33:58 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:19 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:35:34 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:15 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-238-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:38:46 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:39:16 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has joined #lisp 08:39:41 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 08:40:12 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:40:56 -!- ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:42:51 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-1-133-151.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:43:14 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:46:02 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-74-42.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:48:54 yacks [~yacks@180.151.36.171] has joined #lisp 08:54:35 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 08:55:52 mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 08:55:52 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@87-207-172-93.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 08:55:52 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 08:59:38 xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has joined #lisp 09:04:28 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:46 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:05:05 i prefer yason, its always been the easiest library to deal with and has never failed to parse a correct json string 09:05:58 *orthecreedence* realizes the conversation about json parsers ended an hour ago. oops... 09:07:12 leoncamel [~leoncamel@118.26.60.160] has joined #lisp 09:08:23 json library discussions never end 09:08:28 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:08:34 oh good, then i'm not too late :) 09:11:13 dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 09:21:12 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:22:31 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host177.186-125-115.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:35:12 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@107.200.11.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:36:42 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@222.209.242.108] has left #lisp 09:36:52 -!- agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:38 -!- duko [~duko@cpe-76-174-26-24.socal.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 09:40:21 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 09:43:57 pjb [~t@92.103.75.130] has joined #lisp 09:45:43 What's the older memo in minion that is still not delivered? 09:48:27 pjb: "memo from the mayans: the world will not end in 2012" 09:48:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:49:22 but minion doesn't persist memo on restarts 09:50:21 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 09:50:56 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 09:52:35 currently there are 6 memos, all from pjb 09:53:41 -!- bonch [~bonch@h115.50.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: The computer fell asleep] 09:55:39 maybe a memo lost in spatiotemporal continuum :) 09:56:04 -!- irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.45] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:56:32 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:56:39 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@118.26.60.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:03:32 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:07:19 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 10:12:00 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:53 stassats: :-) 10:16:47 jjkola_work_ [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has joined #lisp 10:17:35 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 10:18:21 AeroNotix [~xeno@acnv197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 10:19:41 -!- jjkola_work [~jjkola@fw-hki.ixonos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:41 -!- jjkola_work_ is now known as jjkola_work 10:23:09 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:42 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:25:03 I know how to use type-of (I used it to find out that the type of the favicon is (SIMPLE-ARRAY (UNSIGNED-BYTE 8) (1150))) but I don't understand how I can compare types and how to compare a var to that type 10:25:33 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 10:26:47 clhs typep 10:26:52 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_typep.htm 10:28:16 see also typecase 10:31:26 thank you! 10:32:49 rmathews [~roshan@117.193.213.5] has joined #lisp 10:32:56 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 10:33:05 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.91.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:36:46 kisp [~kisp@91-66-254-97-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:44:00 I have openssl and cl+ssl installed. what's causing this?: https://gist.github.com/4239755 10:45:00 -!- tankrim [~user@pdpc/supporter/active/tankrim] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:45:14 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 10:45:48 -!- dabd [~dabd@a95-93-205-168.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:46:27 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:46:42 bad version of openssl? 10:46:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f75646f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:48:25 I have OpenSSL 1.0.0j-fips 10 May 2012 10:48:38 is there an easy way to find out the version cl+ssl expects? 10:50:00 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:50:02 browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.91.215] has joined #lisp 10:51:06 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:51:32 nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has joined #lisp 10:52:19 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-61.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:23 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:52:37 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-61.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 10:53:15 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 10:56:56 cornihilio: it is more likely that openssl could not be loaded at all 10:57:20 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:23 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 10:59:36 H4ns: what do you mean? what should I do to fix it? 10:59:52 *can* I fix it? 11:00:03 try (cl+ssl:reload) 11:00:11 H4ns: that would be a different error message 11:00:20 unless cornihilio didn't notice it or ignored it 11:00:23 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-178-52.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 11:00:38 which i won't be surprised, actually 11:00:42 stassats: right. but a version mismatch, with openssl? really? 11:01:32 i assumed it loaded correctly, the only possibility left is version mismatch 11:02:09 cornihilio: does (cl+ssl:reload) do anything for you? 11:04:53 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-207-68.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 11:06:21 cornihilio: you can also compare types with subtypep. 11:06:45 sbcl throws undefined alien when it tries to define a CFFI function that doesnt actually exiest in C (i think) 11:06:59 orthecreedence: only a style-warning 11:07:00 most likely there is a version mismatch where cffi is trying to wrap a function that isnt there 11:07:31 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-158-196.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:07:31 hmm, well on windows it throws an undefined alien error 11:07:54 are you trying to call it? 11:08:00 at least the last time i tried, which was about a week ago, tried to wrap the SSL part of libevent without the libevent_openssl lib there 11:08:03 i don't know many libraries with an api as stable as openssl's, but who am i to suggest anything 11:08:07 nope, just define it 11:08:45 althought cl+ssl wraps a very minimal/small portion of openssl, so i dont know what to think 11:08:55 maybe its just loading the *wrong* library 11:09:07 err, wrong shared object 11:10:31 stassats: you're right, i'm wrong. its just a style warning, windows too 11:12:09 H4ns: I just get style-warnings when I run that 11:12:27 orthecreedence: and i'm very annoyed by that style-warning 11:12:46 cornihilio: right. maybe if you share the complete diagnostics, we can tell you more 11:12:55 how would I get that information? 11:13:00 because in my code i define aliens before loading the library 11:13:09 any reason? 11:13:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-61.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:14:25 well, it's not needed at compile time 11:15:09 fair enough 11:15:20 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 11:15:25 and no trickery needed when saving cores 11:15:37 here's the full stack trace (I think that's what it's called?): https://gist.github.com/4239869 11:16:00 cornihilio: it's not really helpful 11:16:00 ah that makes sense. i never actually save/load cores (besides the defult) 11:16:24 cornihilio: what happens if you call (cl+ssl:reload)? 11:16:35 just style warnings 11:16:45 ok, i give up 11:17:00 orthecreedence: implementations usually do the right thing by reloading foreign libraries 11:17:24 on hte loading of the image? 11:17:26 https://gist.github.com/4239874 11:17:37 okay, I guess I'll just ignore https for now 11:17:44 thank you everyone! 11:17:46 although it would be nice to have them at compile-time, all the initialization done would be worthless 11:17:49 orthecreedence: right 11:17:50 cornihilio: the library was not loaded. 11:17:51 cornihilio: its not loading ssl 11:18:36 either it cant find the library, or the wrong library is *Called* libssl32 or ssleay32 11:19:00 and its loading some random lib that isnt actually SSL, but thinks its successful 11:19:06 make sure you have openssl installed correctly 11:19:38 and make sure your library paths are clear of any older versions 11:20:02 well I don't think I did anything weird... I installed openssl through yum. but I usually use debian, not fedora, so I guess I did screw something up 11:20:15 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:20:35 perhaps, but usually package managers know their shit 11:20:42 try maybe reintalling it? 11:21:02 or, try uninstalling it and then serching for leftovrs versions 11:21:09 via slocate or similar 11:22:01 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.188.82] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 11:22:27 well, thanks, I'll try to fix it. I've never really messed with openssl though. 11:22:42 teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.43.209] has joined #lisp 11:22:44 so quite the adventure :P 11:22:47 those warnings are not really diagnostical 11:22:50 as long as lisp can find the .so file, you should be fine 11:22:57 reloading a library closes it first, producing those warnings 11:23:05 oh really? 11:23:28 yep 11:23:51 ok, good to know. i usually use ccl, so im not well versed on all of sbcl's cffi differences 11:24:03 (cffi::close-foreign-library 'libssl) => the same style warnings 11:24:09 hmm... I think I don't have the so for some reason. https://gist.github.com/4239902 11:24:34 PseudoMander [~PseudoMan@14-202-8-87.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:24:39 hagish [~hagish@p578E3693.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:24:55 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.165.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:56 but fedora says: Package 1:openssl-1.0.0j-2.fc17.x86_64 already installed and latest version 11:25:00 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-4.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:25:08 try removing it and installing again 11:25:19 actually 11:25:22 in your image 11:25:24 do 11:25:32 (cffi:foreign-symbol-pointer "SSL_new") 11:25:47 nil 11:25:47 (after loading cl+ssl) 11:25:56 ok, yeah, the library isnt loading correctly 11:26:11 or an incorrect one is loading 11:26:19 right 11:26:31 which may be why it gets past the loading 11:26:41 otherwise it usually throws an error 11:26:50 I don't think I can easily remove openssl... to many things seem to depend on it 11:27:25 you could do it the old-fashioned way and compile from source :) 11:27:29 I get a long list of dependency checks and then: --> Finished Dependency Resolution 11:27:29 Error: Trying to remove "yum", which is protected 11:27:38 orthecreedence: that's a rather bad idea 11:27:43 why? 11:28:42 you mean removing or compiling? 11:28:48 both 11:28:57 nobody likes my ideas :( 11:29:12 well, removing is a dumb idea because of all the deps 11:29:37 unless you want to make a mess from your system and lose the updates and break dependencies 11:29:48 compiling it, he could at least place the library in a local folder and start the sbcl binary with LD_LIBARARY_PATH=./my-compiled-openssl/libs 11:30:06 which would at least narrow down if its in fact a library loading issue 11:30:29 you're asking too much from cornihilio 11:31:01 hahaha maybe 11:31:50 :( 11:32:23 I think I'm going to put off the ssl issues until I get everything else fixed 11:32:29 thanks a lot though! 11:32:41 cornihilio: i've had issues loading cl+ssl on both linux and windows platforms 11:32:52 it seems like something always goes wrong 11:32:58 alright, good luck! 11:33:46 yuck, 330. goodnight guys 11:34:00 -!- orthecreedence [~kvirc@c-67-180-62-214.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:34:17 hi there; anyone knows is there some sort of an eldoc-mode version for CL inside Emacs? 11:34:41 slime uses eldoc for CL 11:36:06 sw2wolf [~sw2wolf@110.184.91.64] has joined #lisp 11:36:15 -!- cornihilio [~cornihili@softbank126127243122.bbtec.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:36:42 stassats: ok, I use slime but probably missed the eldoc part, I'll look into it, thanks! 11:37:26 well, you don't have to look into it 11:37:28 it just uses it 11:37:49 to get better results, just make sure that you have the slime-fancy contrib enabled 11:39:06 stassats: I just notice it does something simiral to eldoc, but it doesn't seem to use it really; if I type "(format" I've some docstring in the echo area, but as soon as I move the cursor, I can't get this doc back 11:39:48 did you follow my last suggestion? 11:40:47 stassats: yes, just tried M-x load-library slime-fance but didn't change what I get; what I expect is that putting the cursor on "format" would tell me what the prototype of the function is, like eldoc would :) 11:41:32 if you don't use slime-fancy, it won't show you 11:41:48 and load-library is not how slime contribs are loaded 11:42:11 http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Loading-Contribs.html 11:42:55 thanks, but that doesn't change the behaviour either :( 11:43:06 did you restart emacs? 11:43:16 Ah, M-x slime-autodoc-mode helps! 11:43:28 or at least reopened the file 11:43:49 slime-autodoc-mode is turned on automatically for .lisp files 11:44:03 and the REPL 11:44:15 stassats: slime-autodoc-mode wasn't here, for whatever reason :( but now that I know the support is here, I'll dig into it :) 11:44:26 I'm pretty good at Emacs stuff :-) 11:44:39 you're digging too 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though 13:15:22 but it does show the docstring 13:15:32 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.17.196] has joined #lisp 13:15:56 what would i do with it without the source? 13:16:02 I have an issue: I want to use a function like addpage ((mrmanager webpage-manager) (page webpage)) 13:16:23 but also have one like addpage ((mrmanager webpage-manager) z) for catching z being nil, but that function catches everything 13:16:42 should I just remove the page webpage from the first one and make it more general? 13:16:48 -!- new_one [~peter@50.10.183.158] has left #lisp 13:16:58 i suggest you to understand method dispatch better first 13:17:50 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 13:18:29 does method dispatch work if there is a function that is less stringent than the others? 13:19:24 I know it works for catching functions where vars are of different types, but I am unsure of this case 13:19:29 those are not functions, but methods 13:20:00 the set of methods makes a generic 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Nisstyre 16:52:28 Hi ThomasH 16:53:15 Hello LiamH 16:54:58 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:56:58 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:57:39 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:00:27 g'day 17:01:05 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:04:48 ubii [~ubii@adsl-70-238-145-152.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:48 -!- ubii [~ubii@adsl-70-238-145-152.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:04:48 ubii [~ubii@unaffiliated/ubii] has joined #lisp 17:04:51 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:07:20 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-206-210.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 17:09:40 -!- brandonz [~brandon@adsl-75-63-19-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:10:55 Hey Fade 17:11:52 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:50 Forty-3 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[~xeno@acnv197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54:34 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 17:54:56 -!- sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:55:13 I just noticed that ECL takes an incredible performance hit (more than 2x) when having SAFTEY greater than 0. SBCL (apart from being 5-10 times faster than ECL) shows barely any performance difference at all. Is SBCL using some low-level hardware tricks to get the checks that ECL have to do "manually" in C-code? 17:55:18 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:55:30 sirdancealot7 [~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #lisp 17:55:34 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.43.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:28 kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:48 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has joined #lisp 17:58:02 i have no idea what ECL does, SBCL can just prove that some parts of the code are going to fit within some properties, thus driving the amount of checks to a minimum 17:58:32 I see 17:59:02 in this particular case, I had plenty of type definitions forcing everything to fixnum (which it is) 17:59:17 It seems as though ECL's type inference is just not very good then., 17:59:38 excessive amount of unnecessary type declarations can decrease performance 17:59:47 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:26 Oh, let me rerun my tests 18:01:35 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:03:56 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-181-4.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:05:48 hi. 18:06:08 so, what's up with drew's plan to transform common-lisp.net to the home of cltl3? 18:06:38 perhaps drewc knows 18:06:42 -!- AeroNoti1 [~xeno@aafu224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 18:06:49 heh. 18:06:50 ok. 18:07:00 AeroNotix [~xeno@aafu224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:07:01 well, would it be a good use of c-l.net? 18:07:28 as opposed to the current home of cl development community. 18:07:32 -!- zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-111-169-176-119.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:07:45 that seems to be github nowadays 18:08:37 -!- PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:10:33 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.43.202] has joined #lisp 18:11:59 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:17:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20:15 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-178-52.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:20:42 -!- browndawg [~browndawg@117.201.91.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:20:47 PCChris [cyungmann_@wireless-165-124-248-48.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 18:24:55 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-98-53.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:57 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-13-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:28:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:59 narmi [~sabayonus@91.140.158.137] has joined #lisp 18:32:05 -!- spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:33:46 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 18:34:11 -!- narmi [~sabayonus@91.140.158.137] has quit [Client Quit] 18:34:59 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:16 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:38:06 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:39:22 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.41] has joined #lisp 18:45:19 mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:50:14 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:50:44 Joreji [~thomas@75-077.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:57:51 spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 18:59:07 zxq9 [~zxq9@FL1-111-169-176-119.okn.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 18:59:54 stassats: cl specific? 19:00:16 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:e463:3406:275:c317] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00:39 -!- engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:48 stassats: I find github to be an SF replacement. Not a cl-net replacement. 19:07:55 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07:57 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 19:10:00 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:17 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:32 -!- Vicfred [~Grothendi@201.102.132.153] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:00 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 19:15:19 snearch [~snearch@f053002058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 19:18:12 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:38 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 19:25:10 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 19:28:00 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:29:20 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:29:53 k0001 [~k0001@host40.186-109-96.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 19:31:02 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:33:41 for a static script, I am having some issues including trivial-shell, I have the following in my cli.lisp file so far 19:34:12 (require "asdf") (load "./trivial-shell/trivial-shell.asd") (trivial-shell:get-env-var "PATH") 19:34:24 it says "NO PACKAGE TRIVIAL-SHELL" 19:34:28 I'm sure i'm forgetting something obvious 19:39:00 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:40:42 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:36 ahungry: (ql:quickload :trivial-shell) 19:42:47 ahungry: see http://www.quickload.org/ 19:43:11 ahungry: see http://www.quicklisp.org/ I mean. 19:43:20 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:44:11 is that good for a static script though? I want to be able to pack this all up and use it as a set of scripts 19:44:32 I got quicklisp to work in slime interactive mode but not in a script yet 19:46:14 -!- xan_ [~xan@fanzine.igalia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:50:20 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:42 ok got it, thanks 19:51:51 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@75-077.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:53:53 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.138] has joined #lisp 19:56:48 rvirding_ [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vmtqphyiuebyeiqo] has joined #lisp 19:57:17 clintm_ [uid1741@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-izeoayqkedkgdwaq] has joined #lisp 19:57:55 PuffTheMagic__ [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfqdhmrmnzkgixzg] has joined #lisp 19:59:18 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@outbound.terrawi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:59:44 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-ho1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:35 -!- NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqrirwiwqtdeicam] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:35 -!- PuffTheMagic_ [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zusjcqxvzcogojiq] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:35 -!- clintm [uid1741@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eiaqypcvypqpahxr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:35 -!- rvirding [uid5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qdiyvbtnihymuxxa] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 20:00:36 -!- dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdpmwcvshxganlyj] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 20:02:32 alpha123-gone [~turkchess@184-96-192-56.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:23 -!- alpha123-gone is now known as alpha123 20:04:02 dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tvrgfwimovygqktz] has joined #lisp 20:05:12 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgjzwmajtruuljic] has joined #lisp 20:05:14 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:06 ahungry: it depends on the users of the script. 20:07:30 ahungry: if you want all the users on your system, or on other systems to use your script, then it must be somewhat "stand alone". 20:08:06 ahungry: using asdf or quicklisp to load libraries from scripts renders it dependent on those libraries. The problem is then to have a system-wide repository for those libraries. 20:08:45 ahungry: with asdf, you can install libraries in a system-wide repository, and point to it pushing the directory to asdf:*central-registry*, before doing (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :trivial-shell). 20:09:07 ahungry: it may be possible to have a system-wide quicklisp repository, but I'm not sure. 20:10:47 ahungry: in any case, there are difficulties in finding a place to store the compiled files. Since there are a lot of CL implementations, we cannot just have a single central repository of compiled lisp libraries, we'd need one such for each CL implementation. quicklisp manages this by creating subdirectories in ~/.cache/common-lisp/ ; but it wouldn't be convenient to have a copy of compiled libraries for each user. 20:10:54 pjb: I have a system-wide quicklisp repository, I'm just not sure how I set it up. :P 20:10:55 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:16 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:11:21 alpha123: I guess you'd have to read and patch quicklisp/setup.lisp 20:11:35 pjb: That might have been it. 20:11:37 Unless Xach did something to configure a central repository. 20:12:34 anyway, the problem in compiling libraries into a central binary repository, are the access rights. You want root, or the library adminstrator to pre-compile all the libraries for all the implementations. (so, already three problems). 20:13:24 And even the others can't solve it right. Eg. ruby gem. Often you need a specific version of ruby, so you have to use rvm which compiles gem and everything ruby into a user specific directory with a specific version of ruby 20:15:29 In summary, call "script" only programs that can be held in a single stand-alone source file, without external dependencies, or with a minimum of them. My scripts just load a single script.lisp file in the same directory that contains code common to all of them. 20:16:02 If you have dependencies on libraries, then call it a "program" and generate an executable image with all the libraries loaded in, so it can run standing alone. 20:16:02 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:20 SexKitten [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 20:20:00 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21:18 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-98-53.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:21:22 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 20:22:18 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host40.186-109-96.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:22:36 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22:39 simkoc [~smuxi@88-134-28-142-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 20:24:14 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:26:40 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-98-53.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:48 -!- ahungry [~null@99-40-10-216.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:28:00 -!- spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:18 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:31:44 hi 20:32:26 -!- PCChris [cyungmann_@wireless-165-124-248-48.nuwlan.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:32:30 Hi! 20:35:54 k0001 [~k0001@host40.186-109-96.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:36:18 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:38:59 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053002058.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:45:52 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-72-66-104-130.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:49:56 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-225-51.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:23 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host40.186-109-96.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:17 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-239-117.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:52:34 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:52:49 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:55 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:56:27 PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 20:58:47 -!- SexKitten [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20:59:00 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 21:06:54 -!- engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:12 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 21:10:16 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:11:54 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:18 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:12:21 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18:40 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:49 spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 21:20:20 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:24:54 -!- nan_ [~user@46.197.116.88] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:36 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.139.22.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:33:08 iisjmii [~user@88.159.171.19] has joined #lisp 21:35:31 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 21:36:05 victor_lowther [~victor.lo@2602:306:3686:ec50:e463:3406:275:c317] has joined #lisp 21:37:55 I have created game in Common Lisp. I start the gameloop in a new thread so I could interact with it live, from the REPL. I wish to port it to CLisp, without thread support, is there another way that I can interact with it live via the REPL? 21:39:41 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:46 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:41:04 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:45:16 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:41 <|3b|> you can probably run your own repl from the gameloop with a bit of work 21:47:54 benny [~user@i577A8821.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 21:48:59 *prxq* thought clisp had threads 21:49:38 <|3b|> prxq: optional, and possibly not all the way finished 21:50:05 biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-238-131.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 21:51:30 <|3b|> clisp threading is 'experimental, use it at your own risk' according to the docs, haven't tried them myself though, so can't say what that means in practice 21:54:29 Thx, I'll try and use the experimental threading in clisp. Running my own Repl and getting it to work with Slime sounds like too much of a hassle. 21:55:38 <|3b|> if you use slime, you might try configuring it to interrupt the list to eval things 21:56:33 <|3b|> or running the CL side of the swank processing in the game loop 21:59:10 CCL has a "use-homonym" restart to try calling a function named with the same symbol-name but a different package, if you call an undefined function. Neat. 22:01:11 Bike: we considered an edit-distance-based restart once (use-honomym?). 22:01:27 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-210-0-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 22:01:34 edit distance? like similarity of the strings? 22:01:38 yes. 22:01:52 but you didn't go for it in sbcl? any particular reason? 22:03:50 bad work:interest ratio? It's an interesting idea, but it's also a lot of not that interesting work. 22:04:24 ah. 22:06:06 prxq: clisp threading should be fine, I heard it's limitations that you should not redefine classes from multiple threads, but start threads after classes are defined. Something like that 22:06:06 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:06:35 prxq: the main inconvenience is that you need to build clisp yourself 22:06:42 xan_ [~xan@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has joined #lisp 22:06:48 kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 22:06:50 prxq: to have threads 22:07:50 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:19 bhyde [~bhyde@c-24-61-81-138.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:14:43 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aafu224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 22:18:57 ASDF gives me this error, when launching ccl-1.8 on macosx from the terminal, but not when launching it from slime: > Error: Invalid designator for an absolute pathname: #P"common-lisp/systems/" 22:19:21 It seems this path comes from (asdf::default-source-registry). 22:22:22 -!- rmathews [~roshan@117.193.213.5] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:22:29 bandu [~kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 22:23:13 -!- dtw [~dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:25:26 is there a nice function name for rounding away from zero? prolong, for the symmetry with truncate? (: 22:31:56 so ECL can compile lisp to C, is it the only way it works though? I got the impression that it compiles lisp code directly too, when you're not building an executable, right? 22:32:34 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:03 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:17 it has a bytecode interpreter as well 22:34:06 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:34:10 and do you think that a compiler from C to that bytecode would be easy to do? maybe it already exists? 22:34:22 then you could compile/interpret C and lisp at runtime... 22:34:36 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.234.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:34:39 pkhuong: does it not just use gcc and dlopen? 22:34:43 pkhuong: ceiling. 22:35:31 i thought ceiling rounded towards positive infinity. 22:36:02 Right. 22:36:09 So indeed such a function is missing. 22:36:25 -!- drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has left #lisp 22:36:28 prolong sounds good. 22:36:32 'pad' would be an option 22:37:26 pkhuong: append, as in opposite of O_TRUNC :-) 22:39:02 dim: it doesn't compile from C to bytecode, it compiles to bytecode dirctly. I.e. two alternatives: lisp to C, lisp to bytecode 22:39:21 I'm interesting into adding C to bytecode then 22:39:32 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has joined #lisp 22:39:35 any idea if that's possible, hard, easy? 22:39:47 hard 22:39:53 then? then go ahead )) 22:40:26 I might as well try and find an easier solution to my main problem then, which is way off topic for #lisp :) 22:42:17 pkhuong: fling, (a) because it's a mashup of "floor" and "ceiling", and (b) because it suggests movement away 22:43:36 dim: that plan makes approximately zero sense. There are C bytecode interpreters (ok, were, but look in the lcc stuff), and cling/llvm for the contemporary world. 22:44:09 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:44:23 drewc [~drewc@50.7.166.100] has joined #lisp 22:44:53 I've looked at lcc, the qcc thingy that came out of tcc into qemu and is licenced to be able to get out of qemu, I've seen 8cc too, and the only serious contender now is llvm which is too big to integrate into another project easily 22:44:55 Krystof: fling suggest (temporary) proximity here 22:45:03 so it's either llvm or roll it yourself 22:45:18 lcc and 8cc and other typically only supports i386 22:45:37 it looks like the ECL bytecode interpreter might be better maintained and ported 22:45:37 Aw! I didn't update quicklisp for some time on that machine: Updating from version 2012010700 to version 2012112500. 22:46:18 so, you'd rather link ECL in than LLVM? 22:46:18 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:38 I don't know (yet) :) 22:46:50 anyway that's bedtime for me, thanks, good night 22:46:51 dim: Writing a C compiler is easy. writing an optimizing C compiler is more complex. Remember, C was designed to run on machines with 4Kw. LISP was designed to run on machines with 32Kw. 22:50:10 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:52:51 pkhuong: heh, there is that 22:54:17 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@124.126.214.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 22:54:43 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:55:23 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-178-52.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:55:43 I don't even want to think about defining a pair of latex brackets for that operations, but truncate(x) + signum(x) is just too unwieldly. 22:55:54 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:57:57 -!- PCChris [Chris@dhcp-199-74-100-143.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:59:00 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 23:02:54 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:03 -!- segv- [~mb@dslb-094-223-000-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv-] 23:03:26 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:47 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:12 pkhuong: it's not a round away! 23:06:16 uebas [~enriquegq@65.Red-81-35-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:06:23 http://www.carolinaherrera.com/212/es/areyouonthelist?share=q6IaCcQMqoRxdi5nWij9iL8CbSN2ar5IY_v4JetXP-474b1lLF2oGzQPOg8jPQawTrEg3EorigJps3zJMxDIAA#episodio-3 23:06:23 http://www.carolinaherrera.com/212/es/areyouonthelist?share=_Jyay526v2-KjV2VIpPyzUJNBxpkRLQs8YjNLYFCr6f6NhsiZHZljdhDD9Mf-1hc7pjaAJr6smTN-dB2s8Qqsw#episodio-2 23:06:24 http://www.carolinaherrera.com/212/es/areyouonthelist?share=q6IaCcQMqoRxdi5nWij9iL8CbSN2ar5IY_v4JetXP-474b1lLF2oGzQPOg8jPQawTrEg3EorigJps3zJMxDIAA#episodio-3 23:06:25 http://www.carolinaherrera.com/212/es/areyouonthelist?share=_Jyay526v2-KjV2VIpPyzUJNBxpkRLQs8YjNLYFCr6f6NhsiZHZljdhDD9Mf-1hc7pjaAJr6smTN-dB2s8Qqsw#episodio-2 23:06:26 -!- uebas [~enriquegq@65.Red-81-35-69.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has left #lisp 23:06:32 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 23:06:39 (+ (truncate 1) (signum 1)) --> 2 instead of 1. 23:06:45 Interesting tactic. 23:07:42 Promoting telenovelas? I don't see the point. It's like paying for ads to promote cocaine. Pointless. 23:08:05 most likely malware on a hacked machine 23:08:32 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:15:54 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:16:18 -!- biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-238-131.public.wayport.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:16:21 -!- iisjmii [~user@88.159.171.19] has left #lisp 23:16:35 -!- bandu [~kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:17:49 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:18:14 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:18:20 kmels__ [~kmels@frbg-4d028f94.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 23:22:07 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 23:25:08 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:23 biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-239-62.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:56 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:30:46 -!- hagish [~hagish@p578E3693.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:07 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 23:31:10 gimbal [~gimbal@mo-76-0-6-180.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:13 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: game over] 23:33:22 liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has joined #lisp 23:33:23 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:02 anyone taken a look at Movitz lately? 23:34:03 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:34:12 -!- mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:36:54 whitedawg [~whitedawg@122.178.221.156] has joined #lisp 23:37:55 I've wondered sometimes if Movitz could use SBCL, somehow. I guess that's kind of a bluesky idea for it, maybe. I was looking at developing a simple resource collection framework after WebDAV - kind of riffiing on the model of KDE's "KIO Slaves" - and it's so rudimentary though, my thought was that maybe in trying to integrate it with Movitz, that might make it more fun to work with. Not sure if Movitz defines a concept of File, though, in an 23:38:10 -!- liweinan [~liweinan@222.130.224.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:38:16 gimbal: nyef had a bootable SBCL once 23:38:28 pkhuong 23:38:33 egh new irc client sry 23:38:37 pkhuong: cool! 23:38:47 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-238-189.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:39:02 \? http://www.lisphacker.com/projects/sbcl-os/how-it-works-2008-04-19.txt 23:39:08 AeroNotix [~xeno@aafu224.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 23:40:34 Looking at the sbcl-os screenshots - nice! 23:41:04 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ed8b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:36 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:03 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-249-190.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:12 zophy [~sy@24.111.9.10] has joined #lisp 23:46:18 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 23:46:56 mritz [~textual@cpe-70-112-1-179.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:47:35 -!- xan_ [~xan@191.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:08 where are those screenshots? 23:49:41 http://www.lisphacker.com/projects/sbcl-os/wip-screenshots/ 23:49:57 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:51:54 fascinating 23:52:01 yeah - it looks hopeful, imo :) 23:53:27 I've figured I'd have to do some homework about asm, cpu architectures, and such, before if I'd be able to contribute anything to the low-level code in Lisp OS. I think it's a great idea, though - and business wise, maybe just maybe a new mobile OS could be developed out Common Lisp (bluesky??) 23:54:18 that's very bluesky indeed, you can't just dump assembly to a phone 23:54:38 hah yeah. but they do have CPUs though, the smartphones, right? 23:54:59 of course. but e.g. android uses dalvik, a semi-jvm. 23:55:46 seems like a real OS would definitely start with asm 23:55:54 i don't unnerstan 23:57:25 ikki [~ikki@189.139.22.34] has joined #lisp 23:57:42 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:58:06 as far as hardware, thinking business side of bluesky, conceivably it would be possible to design a new hardware architecture, perhaps such that could be inspired by the designs of the original LispMs, though updated for modern microcircuitry designs, and might be particularly suitable to Common Lisp 23:58:19 x86s are very fine lisp machines 23:58:43 you don 23:58:56 ...on the mobile angle, I mean 23:59:00 't need to replicate old (and not necessarily that great) LispM cpu designs 23:59:34 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:59:40 wasn't the only "modernish" one the LMI K-machine? The one that never went live? 23:59:52 *gimbal* hasn't taken a class in vhdl yet. checks the giyf file... 23:59:56 just a bunch of shift registers