00:02:04 emacs-dwim: i don't know why lisp didn't gain more traction. but maybe it's just because it didn't. i doubt it is because the language is too expressive. the fact that i can run code which was written more than 20 years ago also makes me think that a lack of cooperation is probably not what's going on. 00:05:06 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 00:05:55 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:55 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 00:06:04 SunMoonStar [~maks@ool-457f5814.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:06:05 Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 00:07:26 jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:07:34 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:08:21 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:12:14 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:29 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 00:15:36 -!- SunMoonStar [~maks@ool-457f5814.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:16:40 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:46 -!- zerowaitstate [~dwaites@ppp-70-254-44-53.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19:02 -!- segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:16 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:20:21 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:20:43 -!- bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:21:48 -!- segmond [~segmond@108.73.164.62] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:21:53 -!- segmond_ is now known as segmond 00:22:18 -!- brandonz [~brandon@adsl-76-193-216-183.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22:25 segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:22:57 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925066520.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 00:25:21 -!- segmond [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:25 -!- segmond_ [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:37 segmond [~segmond@adsl-108-73-164-62.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:25 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:03 -!- bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:32:08 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34:55 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 00:35:39 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:38:08 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:32 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:20 emacs-dwim: Lisp machines died for pretty much the same reason Sun stations died, cheap wintel PCs killed everything. And also the whole AI winter thing, so that's a double whammy :) 00:40:15 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:42:07 madnificent: as 00:42:07 begin 00:42:12 endas 00:42:13 begin 00:42:25 declare 00:42:26 o@sql nvarrchar(max) 00:42:26 select 00:42:26 @sql = ' 00:43:09 sorry; my autohotkey got stuck using some work shortcuts. 00:43:54 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:45:46 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 00:46:35 pavelpenev: So it's really about having an ubiquitous vector? 00:47:18 Is there a way to determine the release version of a running sbcl? 00:47:37 emacs-dwim: lisp has survived and has done well in various niches. 00:48:26 pavelpenev: Sure, if lisp was a woman i'd marry her; going on 60 and hotter than ever... 00:49:03 But it'd be nice to have less compatibility work. 00:51:27 emacs-dwim: try (lisp-implementation-version) 00:52:02 also, (apropos "version") would have given you a few hints :) 00:52:21 pavelpenev: thanks 00:52:39 -!- ngz [~user@118.97.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:54:41 pavelpenev: i mean, how often have you had to work around solved problems (since the early 1980s) that nobody seems to be able to address in current systems. 00:56:34 emacs-dwim: I'm learning web development, so I reinvent stuff a framework like django gives you out of the box on a regular basis, so its a lot more work. On the other hand, I learn a lot more too :) 00:57:23 pavelpenev: but you don't just leave it unsolved for decades, do you? 00:58:03 madnificent: emacs-dwim: it is precisely the reason imo, expressiveness of a language is not what big guys after, they want easily disposable people. and you can't control that in lisp, there are places where they ban template programming in c++, which is the only thing that can bend the language a little. 00:58:12 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:58:13 emacs-dwim: Obviously something pissed you off. 00:58:32 emacs-dwim: I'm just happy I don't have to use php. 00:59:53 i've been testing how useful weblocks will be for me. 01:00:00 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:01:03 -!- drewc [~user@74.198.150.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:26 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:08:30 zerowaitstate [~dwaites@ppp-70-254-44-53.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:11:26 Woot, got fuction definitions, with parameter binding, 01:11:56 nan_`: well, templates in C++ are also ridiculously hard to debug sometimes. And lead to ridiculous stuff, too 01:12:38 just, like, debug g++ while it compiles. 01:13:09 emacs-dwim: as for why we don't have lisp machines... it got little to do with language, really 01:13:18 p_l: When things like assignment operator is a macro, you really can't avoid them. 01:14:12 p_l: i don't really care so much about the hardware, but the nice systems. 01:14:16 drewc [~user@74.198.150.249] has joined #lisp 01:14:18 it's an epic story of market shifts, personalities, being not ready for change, bad management, odd comments and books turning markets into hyped bubble which then gloriously crashes killing everyone with shrapnel... 01:14:41 I wonder what the minimum set of useful built-in operations is for a stack language 01:14:56 it's a story of hackers aint business men 01:14:56 Lisp is really just a bit that got heavy shrapnel rain 01:15:01 segmond: not only that 01:15:06 pretty much. 01:15:10 segmond: it's also of bad business men 01:15:17 (bad as in bad skills) 01:15:37 derekv: #concatenative might know 01:16:04 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:16:29 also, lisp later got serious hit in how it was presented in academia, the main place people would encounter it after the industry folded 01:16:42 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:16:51 lisp was too advanced for it's time, that i can agree with 01:16:52 mind you, there's a project akin to LispMs still alive in ETH Zurich 01:17:00 i'm still kind of amazed that scheme got enough traction to get lisp a reputation as "elegant", after seeing lisp 1.5 code 01:17:01 the first time i saw lisp, i had just moved from basic to C 01:17:17 and i said to myself, it looks interesting, but oh god no, not another interpreted language 01:17:19 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:17:19 Bike: try comparing it to FORTRAN IV? 01:17:36 segmond: the perception that it's interpreted is another issue 01:17:42 can I not, I could barely read what I found anyway :( 01:17:49 it didn't help that C compiler was easy to find for 8088/286 machines back then but not easy to find a lisp system 01:18:23 when cpu cycles was precious, lisp was bad when one wanted to squeeze every ounce out of the cpu 01:19:01 "oh god no, not another interpreted language" Is there any real difference between an interpreted vs a compiled language? Doesn't it just depend whether you use an interpreter or a compiler on your source code? 01:19:06 times have changed, but ideas long ingrained over time are hard to shake 01:19:17 Thra11: availability of compiler? 01:19:23 thrall, this was when i had a 286 computer 01:19:29 i just moved from basic to C 01:19:29 p_l, of course, but I mean in theory 01:19:45 Thra11: in theory a compiler is just a partially evaluated evaluator, so! 01:19:55 how long ago was the 286 machines? 01:20:01 where you using lisp on one? 01:20:11 Bike, :) 01:20:12 there was a lisp for MSDOS 01:20:15 get real, i was interested in nothing but C and asm, and so where most people back then 01:20:17 so I hear 01:20:18 Thra11: (in other words, no) 01:20:22 Fade, i'm sure there was, and i bet it was slow as shit 01:20:23 I was using Amigas back then. 01:21:11 hmmm... 286 for me meant "make my father buy me a joystick by banging on a Model M hard enough to make him worry" 01:21:15 the fact was it was not readily available, it's easy to go on google, github, sourceforge today and find software 01:21:25 Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B865.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:21:50 back then finding software was a pain, and believe it, the warez groups will happily distribute turbo c, but no lisp 01:21:55 when I got my first computer, I could afford either a modem or a disk drive. 01:22:10 so I bought a modem, and had to rewrite my terminal program every time the power went out. 01:22:16 i read my first lisp book, 5 chapters in and never touched it because there was no way for me to run the code 01:22:29 that was 17yrs ago 01:22:34 segmond: I'm not sure who you're talking at? 01:22:45 i just started reading the book again last month. :( 01:22:45 back then I was just relieved to get a functioning toolchain for C 01:22:47 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A294.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:22:47 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 01:22:57 bike, myself 01:23:00 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- guyal [~guyal@174-143-244-209.static.cloud-ips.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- cmbntr_ [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- tvaalen_ [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:00 -!- astopholos_ [~brizzadiz@216.70.91.205] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:23:01 ah. 01:23:05 egn_ [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 01:23:08 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 01:23:09 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 01:23:13 cmbntr [~cmbntr@slice.loopback.ch] has joined #lisp 01:23:15 guyal [~guyal@174-143-244-209.static.cloud-ips.com] has joined #lisp 01:23:18 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:23:38 the lisp thing was happening way over my paygrade.. although there was a symbolics 1200 at the engineering college I used to sneak into to get on arpanet. 01:23:49 it was too exotic to relate to. 01:23:51 tomaw [tom@freenode/staff/tomaw] has joined #lisp 01:23:51 segmond: well, there was T scheme for PC 01:24:18 __main__ [~main@c-67-180-22-241.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:27 p_l: it is epic yet his conclusion was contrary to the things he wrote, none of the things he said was drawbacks of expressiveness if i got it right but he finishes as it is. 01:24:34 SunMoonStar [~maks@ool-457f5814.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:24:53 p_l, there were plenty, but they were unknown and not easy to get, perhaps if you had a good network of people back then. i was in high school, i saw a book on lisp, i had no idea what scheme was 01:25:37 daimrod [~daimrod@sbrk.org] has joined #lisp 01:25:54 hell, most unix systems back then had barely had a working cc compiler... 01:26:16 eMBee [~eMBee@foresight/developer/pike/programmer] has joined #lisp 01:26:37 biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:16 astopholos_ [~brizzadiz@216.70.91.205] has joined #lisp 01:33:13 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 01:33:24 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 01:35:04 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:01 bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:40:15 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:40:18 Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 01:42:03 hmmm i didn't know about "set -o vi" until now.. what the... 01:44:31 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 01:44:55 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:59 -!- seangrove [~user@69-12-252-222.dedicated.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:10 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:51:40 Kvaks [~kvaks@112.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 01:54:43 -!- Kvaks_ [~kvaks@109.189.164.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:56:43 -!- ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:56:43 -!- jrajav [~jrajav@66-188-176-243.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: phunq, sandwich store loop, WHAT NO UNIVERSE] 01:59:42 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:01:55 I've read a little about FFI for writing lisp code that uses foreign functions/data-structures. What if I wanted to write a library in lisp, then access its functions from code in another language? 02:02:43 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-163-168-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Farewell, farewell, God knows when we shall meet again. --Shakespeare] 02:02:57 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-163-168-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:50 kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:07:57 daniel [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 02:08:19 -!- kmb [~kmb@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: kmb] 02:08:28 Thrall, it goes both ways 02:08:54 -!- daniel [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 02:09:19 every implementation does it differently, if you really want lisp code in other languages, you probably want to use ecl 02:09:21 -!- kmels [~kmels@frbg-4d028276.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:35 kmb [~kmb@cpe-72-227-136-13.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:09:44 ecl = embeddable common lisp, it makes such super easy 02:10:09 segmond, yeah, I've used ecl before. 02:10:37 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 02:11:12 also, you can probably find a way to use various Lisps as DCOM objects in Windows 02:11:33 I'm on linux 02:11:50 just saying 02:11:54 same works for CORBA etc. 02:12:02 I'm not sure exactly what I want to do, so apologies if my questions are a bit vague. 02:12:27 I've been experimenting with writing a GUI application in lisp. 02:12:36 http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Calling-Lisp-From-C.html#Calling-Lisp-From-C 02:13:02 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@c-3d42e555.143-16-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:44 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:58 segmond: yes, but SBCL can't run as library loaded by other process 02:14:04 The toolkit I've had the most success with has been Qt via ECL's EQL, but in terms of debugging etc. I'd really rather be using sbcl. 02:14:18 Thra11: consider using CommonQT with SBCL 02:14:38 probably your best bet, even if it doesn't "feel" lispy 02:15:00 p_l, The only problem there is that I can't work out how to convert a lisp array into a QImage with CommonQt. 02:16:00 p_l, and the fact it's so 'un-lispy' makes me wonder whether it would be simpler to write a pure C++ Qt gui to interface with some sort of sbcl lisp core. 02:16:04 hmm.. consider using static-vectors library, and passing a reference to it through CommonQT to apporpriate 02:16:24 Thra11: or you can build yourself a wrapper around CommonQT 02:16:43 EQL has make-qimage which does the conversion. 02:16:59 p_l, static-vectors? I'll have to read up on that 02:17:08 depending on your target, it might be easier to simply create two programs communicating over some protocol 02:17:30 Thra11: static-vectors let's you pass references to vectors in CL space 02:17:42 while doing some extra work to keep C from dying on you 02:18:05 and well... an off-by-one error on C side can still screw you up.. horribly :) 02:18:58 I did wonder. 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running window? 07:08:54 -!- hertz [~newblue@218.15.104.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:10:15 -!- replore [~replore@FL1-118-109-226-159.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:41 replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-226-159.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has joined #lisp 07:15:57 scigod [~sci@111.213.185.75] has joined #lisp 07:17:44 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 07:18:33 I am actually trying to figure out the same thing 07:21:15 yay livecoding 07:25:16 -!- replore_ [~replore@FL1-118-109-226-159.kng.mesh.ad.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:16 stumpwm lets you redefine environment vars, re-eval and keep things running 07:28:35 would be cool to be able to do the same thing on trivial examples 07:29:20 hertz [~newblue@218.15.104.143] has joined #lisp 07:29:26 i don't know how lispbuilder works, but basically you need to get it so that each function call of whatever you're redefining looks up the function every time. 07:29:57 so like, if it's hook-based, you'd pass a name of a function rather than the function than itself, for example, and then replacing the fdefinition will result in calls to the new function. 07:30:14 riht 07:30:18 right even 07:33:27 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:34:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:34:38 I'm on windows and ran (ql:add-to-init-file), it said it was creating a .sbclrc but ta-daa didn't happen. then I somehow crashed sbcl and now SDL doesn't work anymore 07:35:39 it would be nice to start learning the actual programming but I've spend like 100 hours just trying to set things up for that 07:36:10 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.98.197] has joined #lisp 07:36:12 on windows. maybe listbox is easy to setup 07:36:24 lide: seen http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-windows/ ? 07:37:06 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: http://www.cyphase.com/] 07:37:12 Bike: nope... 07:37:37 sw2wolf: what's listbox? 07:38:11 lispbox with ccl+emacs built in 07:39:27 I'd probably have gone for it had I known few hours back but now that I already had emacs + slime + SBCL + lispbuilder-sdl running I don't feel like taking another direction 07:39:30 http://www.common-lisp.net/project/lispbox/ 07:40:38 I'll bookmark that anyway, cause I'll probably go for it if I rage too much with this 07:41:59 all the documentation that I've read on this crapfest of a DE that I've ended up with both on windows and linux has been extremely obscure as a beginner 07:42:41 sorry, I haven't used Windows in years but setup was easy enough on Linux and I don't know why it would be harder on Windos. 07:43:01 actually it WAS harder on windows 07:43:36 Some CL implementation has no thread support on windows 07:43:42 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 07:43:49 e.g. on linux the location of the libs didn't need to be specified for every instance, it just picked it from envars 07:43:58 sw2wolf: yeah sbcl doesn't 07:44:13 sw2wolf: except a fork of it... but I thought I don't need any more trouble ;) 07:44:33 CCL seems work well on windows 07:46:30 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 07:47:36 teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has joined #lisp 07:49:36 -!- ThePortableInstr is now known as Inst 07:49:49 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has quit [Changing host] 07:49:49 Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has joined #lisp 07:52:14 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:54:44 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.123.18] has joined #lisp 07:55:58 lufu [~user@5.254.129.141] has joined #lisp 07:59:39 sbcl just hangs when I try to run some commands in it (emacs+slime) 08:00:50 I have to C-c C-c and M-x slime over again 08:01:16 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:01:29 e.g. (ql:quickload "lispbuilder-sdl") -> hang, (push #P"C:\\Lisp\\" cffi:*foreign-library-directories*) -> hang 08:01:37 (print "aslidhjasklgjh") works 08:03:14 and I don't know whether sbcl is loading quicklisp correctly on start as it claimed to set it up on add-to-init-file (but it didn't seem to create .sbclrc) 08:03:29 lide: i've spent a lot more hours than that on linux 08:03:40 mostly because i've done it in a start/stop fashion 08:03:43 learning emacs 08:03:47 lide: what's (find-package "QL") do? 08:03:49 learning teh basics of lisp 08:03:49 etc. 08:03:53 also in windows explorer refuses to create files beginning with a dot, although CLI has no gripe with it 08:04:01 i started before quicklisp even. 08:04:22 Bike: NIL 08:04:34 quicklisp isn't loaded correctly, then. 08:05:51 Bike: apparently... but it still hangs on quickload "lispbuilder-sdl" (which I'm not at all sure I should be running but for lack of better information...) 08:06:35 lide: if you look at that page I linked you it goes into quicklisp install things a bit 08:06:47 I'll have a look 08:07:20 what pisses me off is I was already running SDL examples on it and now it just broke 08:07:34 did you restart lisp at some point? 08:07:49 I did after sbcl crashed 08:08:19 well, probably what happened is that you loaded quicklisp but it didn't install initfiles properly, so you'd lose it on restart 08:08:54 yeah but I just loaded it manually and it didn't fix the problem :/ 08:09:05 and these hangs I don't understand 08:09:14 yeah, i have no idea why it would be hanging. 08:09:29 iirc sbcl on windows isn't all that stable, ccl or clisp might be better 08:09:39 hmm 08:10:06 particularly, thread support is pretty recent, and if you have slime setup the default way (I think it's default, anyway) it'll have a lot of threads. 08:10:55 the official sbcl release is still single-threaded afaik, there's a multi-threaded fork but I thought that'd be asking for even more trouble ;p 08:11:09 lide: it does that for me, too 08:11:19 for some reason some operations take a long long time 08:11:33 it's not quicklisp related, afaik 08:12:12 it's and dunno if it's actually a slime problem (or more about emacs/slime or sbcl/swank) 08:12:38 cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-45-85.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 08:12:51 it's not because when I try to pass lib dir to cffi it also hangs 08:13:28 engblom [~user@unaffiliated/engblom] has joined #lisp 08:14:10 the only reason I'm not doing this on linux is that I wasn't able to troubleshoot & fix my audio on it and I'm not gonna code without music 08:15:37 or alsa specifically. in KDE audio worked "out of the box" for some unknown-to-me reason, when I switched to xmonad sounds were gone. 08:15:57 -!- tensorpu1ding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:16:08 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.181] has joined #lisp 08:16:13 Which distro do you use? 08:16:19 gentoo 08:18:19 I see; unfortunately I can't remember quite how the sound stuff works there. But I guess there should be good instructions how to do that on the gentoo website. 08:18:32 lide: kde is a de , xmonad a wm. 08:18:48 I did my fair share of googling but couldn't figure it out 08:18:55 pnpuff: yes 08:19:39 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-237-38-170.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:19:40 so if you cut out the desktop environment you may cut out the thing that starts pulseaudio or what have you. 08:19:49 xpoqz [~xpoqz@80.203.124.203] has joined #lisp 08:20:00 kind of offtopic, however 08:21:07 -!- scigod [~sci@111.213.185.75] has left #lisp 08:21:56 the funny thing is I never configured audio, it just worked. then I couldn't get it to work with manual effort 08:22:27 and I've done gazillion linux installations before and gone through all that alsa crap 08:22:31 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:22:38 now it just wouldn't recognize my device 08:23:00 3im on debian 08:23:30 in the years i have beenplaying with it, ive never seen that issue 08:24:03 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 08:24:41 ive never installed anything manually though 08:25:07 well whenever you have a problem, there's a chore of people singing how such a problem doesn't exist ;) 08:25:40 yeah, sorry about that. i don't mean to parrot on. 08:26:17 lide: anyway there is a lot of useful tutorials online. search for alsa and pulseaudio on google. 08:26:44 I might just try pulseaudio next after I've confirmed that's what KDE used 08:27:14 try stopping pulseaudio daemon. 08:27:28 use only alsa... 08:27:38 and I've seen the tutorials as I've configured audio many times before, usually without hassle 08:27:47 hmm 08:28:07 but should the daemon be running if I don't start KDE? 08:28:51 worth checking anyway. thanks for the heads-up. 08:30:14 lide: if you do not start kde you are in a vt without any gui. 08:30:39 yeah? 08:30:48 no? 08:30:58 francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has joined #lisp 08:31:08 no you're correct, but what's to it 08:32:10 why to use lispbuilder-sdl whitout any wm/de? 08:32:19 guys, this is #lisp... not # 08:32:28 well d'uh as I said I moved to xmonad 08:32:29 I am looking for a simple documentation tool (cl). I have seen cldoc and the likes (http://common-lisp.net/project/cldoc/) but what I am looking for is more simple, produce ine html page of documentation strings and the coments that's all 08:34:15 some there: http://www.cl-user.net/asp/tags/documentation-generation 08:35:47 -!- acieroid` is now known as acieroid 08:36:53 pnpuff: I don't use login managers and I boot my system to console and startx if I need to. simple & separated feels more comfortable to me (slackware traumas from ~2002->) 08:37:06 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:37:40 mrSpec [~Spec@2001:6a0:14a:0:987e:ede3:59fa:7eb4] has joined #lisp 08:37:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@2001:6a0:14a:0:987e:ede3:59fa:7eb4] has quit [Changing host] 08:37:40 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 08:37:59 francogrex: maybe use whatever weitz uses, it seems to do that 08:38:25 that seems to be the answer to all things 08:38:33 "just use what weitz uses" 08:38:38 :) 08:38:42 francogrex: (format nil "
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" (documentation #'ql-impl-util::add-to-init-file 'function)) 08:39:18 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-116-206.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:40:08 *drewc* does something similar but with org-mode eval (tangle) and results for the output 08:42:50 DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-58-164-75-230.lns1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:43:32 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 08:43:58 quang [~quang@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:44:02 hi 08:44:12 i dont know lisp but can one make up functions on the fly in lisp? 08:44:25 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.180.227] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 08:44:29 Yes. 08:45:46 so i can do something like 08:45:59 ql-impl-util 08:46:00 (ROOT 08:46:00 (S 08:46:00 (NP (DT The) (NN man)) 08:46:00 (VP (VBD ate) 08:46:00 (NP (NN food)) 08:46:00 (PP (IN in) 08:46:00 (NP (DT the) (NN park)))) 08:46:01 (. .))) 08:46:08 something like that? 08:46:15 hmmm ... post on the site 08:46:23 pastelisp 08:46:24 what site? 08:46:42 http://paste.lisp.org/ 08:47:07 quang: you can't just paste random code and expect for us to know what you want it to mean. 08:47:08 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-158-144.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:47:38 certainly no reason you couldn't come up with grammar structures like that, of course. 08:47:44 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133894 08:47:58 i mean in lisp 08:48:04 can i do something like that 08:48:27 you can do whatever you can program. 08:48:28 im wondering if i should do that in xml or lisp? 08:48:42 basically i have a tree structure 08:48:49 s-expressions are fine for trees. 08:48:50 and i need to query it 08:49:00 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:49:08 what language do u think i should use for s expressions 08:49:14 there's even an s-expresson based syntax for xml, as I recall. 08:49:16 someone else called that tree an s exprssion too 08:49:27 what does s expression mean 08:50:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-expression 08:50:28 wow 08:50:34 that looks alot like my tree 08:51:24 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:51:40 '(root (s (np (dt the) (nn man)) ...) ...) is valid lisp data. not like it's hard to parse a tree. 08:53:03 well im kinda new to lisp 08:54:31 there is an infestation on noobs this morning 08:54:41 we should all apologize 08:55:07 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 08:55:16 i dont get how lisp can just make up functions 08:55:22 like root (s(np 08:55:24 like that 08:55:47 what are you reading to actually learn lisp? 08:55:53 you sound horribly confused on so many levels 08:56:04 ehu [ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:56:17 well actually what i am trying to do is parse a tree 08:56:25 and i thought that lisp might be good for it 08:56:46 so im trying to figure out if i should make it lisp or xml 08:56:51 and see which is better 08:56:58 it is. but then, i don't know a language commonly used today that cannot parse a tree easily 08:57:19 well c# cant 08:57:42 quang: they're not functionsn. 08:57:49 *functions. it's just a list of lists. 08:57:59 ya 08:58:07 but i need to know if something is inside something 08:58:11 and see the indentions 08:58:30 it needs to know that the indentions means levels underneath the other levels 08:58:42 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133894 08:58:43 that 08:58:58 you don't need indentations, the positions and parentheses indicate that already. 08:59:27 well the indentions means something 09:00:10 but i guess ur right 09:00:20 its like xml u dont need indentions 09:00:37 mayb i should just convert it to xml and use xpath 09:00:49 or idk xdocument in c# 09:01:08 there are pretty much infinite ways to deal with trees. 09:01:11 i guess its kinda overkill to learn lisp to do this 09:01:47 except i need to answer queries like this adjective modifies this noun 09:03:47 -!- spiderweb [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:03:58 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:20 wierd 09:04:35 i heard lisp can read its own source code and reprogram itself 09:04:44 is that true? 09:05:11 why don't you just google these questions and just read a bit? 09:05:35 you will get further ahead as you will have a good amount of context to frame your inquiries and subsequent answers 09:05:46 and it's true, sure 09:07:19 quang: basically, the tree syntax of s-expressions is also used to represent source code. things mostly follow naturally from there. 09:07:40 do you guys know prolog? 09:07:59 sure. 09:08:07 i have been learning prolog recently and it uses () alot 09:08:27 is prolog basically encompass lisp but adds more logic too? 09:09:26 no, they are different things. of course, prolog is useful enough that basic logic programming is often incorporated into lisp systems, or was when that was fashionable. 09:10:36 quang: the big similarity between prolog and lisp is that they are both homeomorphic, and list-based 09:10:53 ok 09:11:07 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 09:11:22 sorry, homoiconic lol 09:11:29 *bitonic* just woke up 09:11:50 homeomorphisms are something else entirely :P 09:13:28 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:13:42 http://norvig.com/paip/prolog.lisp 09:14:12 hello lispers 09:14:29 The Reasoned Schemer is relevant as well (didnt read that link) 09:15:10 wow 09:15:13 whats that do? 09:16:41 quang: wild guess: it implements some logic programming construct 09:16:43 the link is a very basic prolog implementation. 09:17:26 this is a less basic prolog implementation: 09:17:47 PAIP is the first book on my very small bookshelf. 09:17:59 and it is autographed 09:18:07 and you bought it in the mit bookstore 09:18:28 yup, glad that story is now well known. 09:18:51 that book is expensive. luckily, my library has it 09:19:03 any difference between 'telent CLX' and clx clisp's external module, why? 09:19:04 buying textbooks is mostly a waste of money 09:19:10 heh, sweet! nice find drewc 09:20:10 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 09:21:46 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:22:21 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:29:30 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-5-63-192-121.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 09:29:53 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-5-63-192-121.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 09:29:53 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:32:40 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:13 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 09:33:47 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 09:34:53 -!- NimeshNeema_ [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fuzeejhylplevdmo] has quit [] 09:35:28 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 09:36:22 mattc [~user@CPE-120-149-144-5.lflg2.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:37:15 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@110.188.66.200] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:37:49 NimeshNeema [uid2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lojcjgdkossixzlm] has joined #lisp 09:38:46 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:39:35 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:32 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.0.144] has joined #lisp 09:43:54 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:44:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-130-43-194-97.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 09:44:21 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@apn-130-43-194-97.vodafone.hu] has quit [Changing host] 09:44:21 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:45:56 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 09:47:46 ok.. so build clisp with the new-clx works! :) 09:48:55 i would try clfswm ... 09:51:48 attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-151-0-65-112.vodafone.hu] has joined #lisp 09:51:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:51:56 -!- attila_lendvai1 [~attila_le@apn-151-0-65-112.vodafone.hu] has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:15 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:54:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.123.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:55:16 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@112.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:55:47 I installed quicklisp today for the first time. It worked fine, but then I accidentlly removed my quicklisp folder. When I tried to reinstall quicklisp it says "Quicklisp has already been installed. Load #P"/home/lufu/lisp/setup.lisp" instead.". What can/should I do? 09:56:50 lufu: ql added a some stuff to your .sbclrc file. delete those bits and re-run the setup.lisp file 09:56:56 lufu probably check your cl init file (sbclrc, etc) 09:57:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:57:26 lufu: rigth try to remove .sblcrc file and reinstall quicklisp 09:57:42 holycow, asvil, pnpuff: Thank you, I will try that. 09:58:18 okay so conceptual question about slime and live coding 09:58:24 pnpuff: not sure about removing the whole file... 09:58:45 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:59:00 If there's something already in it, rather remove the ql stuff 09:59:23 this whole idea of running an lispbuilder trivial example, let's say we wanted to update the src file and have the app (that was started via slime in emacs) ... how does the app 'know' about the newly compiled information? 09:59:37 lufu: some lines are added to .sbclrc file with (cl:add-to-init-file) command 10:00:05 when we do C-k, i understand slime receives the changes and the sbcl environment is updated to reflect the new form data 10:00:17 perhaps an .asdf file is generated 10:00:47 how does a running application (running via slime) know there is an udpate to form? 10:01:35 Indecipherable: better do a regular backup of the lisp init file! 10:02:26 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:03:15 Indecipherable: so you could return to previous working version 10:05:26 Indecipherable: and delete the UNworking init file. (whithout worry) 10:08:10 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:08:13 -!- theos is now known as Guest97755 10:08:29 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756dc9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:08:55 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:09:36 example of live coding: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLkUI89fgRI 10:11:14 -!- Guest97755 [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13:18 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:15:00 teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has joined #lisp 10:15:55 this is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUWpze_A_s :) 10:17:44 and the article that 'enlightened' me: http://www.grimrock.net/2012/07/25/making-of-grimrock-rapid-programming/ 10:18:40 oh wow that is good. thanks for the link 10:18:46 yw 10:24:32 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 10:28:08 Since I use clisp instead of sbcl I was looking for the .clisprc to make clisp forget about the previous quicklisp installation, but there seems to be none in my home folder. How does clisp remember the previous installation then? 10:28:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: reboot emacs] 10:30:04 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 10:30:09 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206148.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:27 There is a .clisprc 10:33:57 Well, in my case there is none. :/ 10:34:06 is there a function like pushnew but for joining lists? 10:34:43 On windows it's in \users\user or whatever 10:36:59 lide: looks like i need something in the codebase trigerring redraw perpetually to see my changes 10:37:16 I'm on GNU/Linux (debian sid), installed clisp with apt-get and there ist really no ~/.clisprc... I don't know why. 10:37:40 lufu: perhaps you think you are using clsip 10:37:46 but are actually using sbcl 10:37:52 do you have an .sbclrc? 10:39:52 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41:44 lufu: clisp is not pre-installed on deby? 10:42:26 holycow: No, I started the quicklisp installation with "clisp -repl ~/lisp/quicklisp.lisp". (However I had a .sbclrc... I think because I used it to install stumpwm several months ago. Since I thought at first I mixed up sbcl and clisp I moved .sbclrc to .sbclrc_old just to make sure.) 10:43:06 lufu: you have me stumped then 10:43:08 ;/ 10:43:14 pnpuff: I think so, but I'm not sure. 10:43:25 stumpwmed? 10:43:57 wowww : clfswm works! :) 10:44:00 holycow: Thanks anyway. 10:44:17 pnpuff: got a screenshot? 10:44:43 antoszka: why? 10:44:50 pnpuff: curious. 10:45:50 antoszka: maybe later. 10:45:54 ok 10:46:05 antoszka: heh 10:46:13 antoszka: now I have to learn the basic commands. 10:46:37 -!- agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:55 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 10:50:57 -!- holycow [~holycow@69.172.160.27] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:52:55 sw2wolf [~czsq888@221.237.94.101] has joined #lisp 10:53:51 holycow [~holycow@69.172.160.27] has joined #lisp 10:54:15 agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:55:24 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-190-243.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:03 spearalot [~spearalot@host-95-199-220-119.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 10:58:53 Guest8716 [~kdas@115.240.160.23] has joined #lisp 11:01:14 lide: so an lispbuilder example like distance-2d shoudl be able to update it self live. the code redraws everything on mouseover and theoretically, as soon as the mouse over events hapen the app should be aware of the new environmanet values 11:01:28 yet it doesnt. how odd. i think i am missing something obvious here. 11:01:28 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:49 it is a bit hard to guess what the problem is from what you say, but you do need to recompile your functions for your source changes to have any effect. 11:03:17 and furthermore, if a function is currently running in a thread, recompiling it will not affect that thread. 11:04:07 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@37-144-45-85.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:30 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:04:59 H4ns, i am reading up on live coding. Indeed, I have tried C-c and C-k and the app doesn't update it self. i thought it was an issue with the sample code not having behaviour that forces a redraw. this one redraws everything on mouseover and doesn't really seem to be aware of the newly compiled forms. 11:05:50 i am now thinking is that i loaded up lispbuilder-sdl-examples via ql, opened up the .lisp file manually and when i compile it, the form avalues are not being passed to the running sbcl/slime session 11:06:25 you need to run the example from within the slime session. 11:06:49 there is no "app" that could "update itself". 11:07:06 there are functions within a running lisp that are invoked 11:07:16 indeed. *nod* 11:07:20 if a function is recompiled, the next invocation uses the updated definition. 11:07:41 right, that is what i was assuming, so clearly i loaded up the app the wrong way 11:07:47 at least i think so 11:10:07 "loaded up the app"?, you need to get your terminology straight 11:10:24 that too 11:11:44 my steps are: 1) start emacs 2) start slime 3) in the slime window load the lispbuildler-sdl-examples via quicklisp 11:12:00 i'm confused about the sharpsign-equal reader macro (#=) 11:12:05 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133897 11:12:13 shouldn't both slot-values be the same? 11:12:18 then open up the .lisp file in a buffer, compile it and run the correct form. 11:14:10 vsync: (list #1='#.(gensym) #1#) 11:14:16 holycow: sounds good 11:14:42 holycow: now, is the function that you recompile running when you're recompiling it? 11:14:54 holycow: try recompiling a function that is repeatedly called. 11:15:25 vsync: the #n references are resolved before evaluation. 11:15:57 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 11:16:48 So wrapping the uuid generation in a #. reader macro will solve the problem? 11:17:17 ahhhhh 11:17:26 antoszka: i'm not sure. i'd not use reader references but rather bind the uuid to a variable and pass that variable as the argument 11:17:29 so in that case they were the same make-uuid form 11:17:32 or gensym or whatever 11:17:42 but of course when evaluated are different objects 11:17:51 or use a suitable default for one of the two slot arguments in an initialize-instance method. 11:18:00 vsync: right. 11:18:34 (note that in a lambda list, the default of one keyword or optional argument can be a preceding argument in the same lambda list) 11:18:58 (defun foo (&key a (b a)) ...) would default b to whatever was passed for a 11:19:08 good to know 11:19:11 no, this is perfect for now 11:19:26 EventHorizon [~asdf@107.200.38.103] has joined #lisp 11:19:30 i'm working on something and i'll have in-memory manipulation functions and serialize or just use rucksack 11:19:43 "just use rucksack" aha :) 11:19:46 but i'm skipping that right now to just get to the part where i do things with the data structure 11:19:58 is there a function like pushnew but for joining lists? 11:20:05 so i have a giant ugly "make-instance" form in a file that i will do things with 11:20:09 shwouchk: union 11:20:32 H4ns, nice, makes sense. thanks! 11:20:46 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-104-120.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 11:22:35 the uuid rather than gensym was an artifact of how i thought i'd put more work into serialization at first 11:22:46 i wondered if i should strip it out once i realized i would do it later 11:23:02 but i'm glad i did otherwise i'd have identical-looking objects that mysteriously were not the same :) 11:23:08 don't keep code that you don't use and don't have tests for 11:23:38 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:24:04 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-164-252.w109-222.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:24:23 -!- Guest8716 [~kdas@115.240.160.23] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:40 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:04 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-44-23.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:27:06 H4ns: i keep on trying various lispbuilder examples, particularly ones that redraw the canvas on mouseover. i keep on changing the main (loop for i from ... (form)) and rendered applciation does not update when i compile the .lisp file. how odd. 11:27:18 it is not odd. 11:27:45 as i said, a function that is currently invoked in a thread is not changed underneath that thread. 11:27:57 oh! 11:28:00 right, that makes sense 11:28:19 move the loop body into a named function, then recompile that to see the changes be picked up. 11:28:28 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.0.144] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 11:28:33 right! 11:31:42 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.143.151.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:55 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:20 :) good info 11:35:26 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 11:35:28 indeed 11:36:32 TeMPOraL [~user@31-187-1-188.home.aster.pl] has joined #lisp 11:41:08 leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.143.151.146] has joined #lisp 11:43:48 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:19 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:54 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:06 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:49:58 -!- sw2wolf [~czsq888@221.237.94.101] has left #lisp 11:54:00 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 11:54:36 snearch [~snearch@www.polruckeln.com] has joined #lisp 11:58:00 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.251] has joined #lisp 12:02:47 p_l: what? You mean C++ programmers can't develop proper IDE and debuggers for C++ templates??? So there's a curse of C++ too? <02:11:56> nan_`: well, templates in C++ are also ridiculously hard to debug sometimes. And lead to ridiculous stuff, too 12:02:53 Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has joined #lisp 12:08:24 askatasuna [~askatasun@97-158-16-190.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #lisp 12:08:47 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:09:09 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:10:02 quang: read this: http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html 12:11:12 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 12:11:24 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:11:37 quang: read also AIM-8, link from http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/index.html 12:11:51 -!- loke_ [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:13:34 quang: in the case of Common Lisp, one cannot conformingly redefine operators in the COMMON-LISP package, but since lisp sources are sexps, you can easily define another "lisp" package that you would use instead of COMMON-LISP. This is done routinely. For example, see Pseudo-Scheme, which is an implementation of r4rs scheme (a different lisp than Common Lisp), written in, and running on Common Lisp. 12:14:22 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:52 lufu: perhaps you should quit your lisp and restart it, to let it forget about quicklisp? 12:16:24 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:54 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:06 BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.44] has joined #lisp 12:19:46 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 12:21:13 pjb`: Restarting my lisp would in my case mean to restart clisp, right? (I tried that, but somewhat magically clisp remembers this stuff -- without .clisprc.) 12:22:10 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.251] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:59 dru1d [~dru1d@ip-82-177-222-138.net.azartsat.pl] has joined #lisp 12:23:28 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-233-51.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 12:24:01 I still think that this is easy to fix and I just made some stupid mistake but right now I can't see it. 12:24:52 -!- mattc [~user@CPE-120-149-144-5.lflg2.vic.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:25:32 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-233-51.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 12:26:03 lufu: clisp looks into ~/.clisprc.fas ~/.clisprc.lisp or ~/.clisprc 12:26:24 lufu: you can use clisp -norc to reinstall quicklisp. 12:28:29 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.114] has joined #lisp 12:29:06 Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has joined #lisp 12:30:51 pjb`: I read the man page and stumbled across -norc, but "clisp -norc -repl ~/lisp/quicklisp.lisp" plus (quicklisp-quickstart:install :path "~/lisp/quicklisp") just gives me "*** - Quicklisp has already been installed...". Also none of the files you mentioned exist in my home directory. Strange. 12:35:33 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:35:44 Ah well, you're installing it in a different place. Don't you have a ~/quicklisp/ directory? Or is there already a ~/lisp/quicklisp/ directory? 12:37:00 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-59-142-111.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:05 pjb`: There is already a ~/lisp/quicklisp directory and I always (tried to) install it in that directory. 12:37:17 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-59-142-111.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:39:37 lufu: that must be the "already been installed" reason. 12:39:48 Try to move away this ~/lisp/quicklisp before re-installing quicklisp. 12:40:27 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.183.58] has joined #lisp 12:41:22 pjb`: I accidentally removed all the files in ~/lisp/quicklisp (which was the reason why I wanted to reinstall it), that should be sufficient right? 12:43:12 -!- Mandus_ is now known as Mandus 12:43:17 treyka_ [~treyka@c-68-51-45-42.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:43:39 lufu: apparently not. Perhaps it checks for the presence of just the directory. 12:43:51 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-59-142-111.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:44:32 -!- treyka_ [~treyka@c-68-51-45-42.hsd1.ar.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:47:30 code47 [~Administr@222.185.236.174] has joined #lisp 12:50:24 pjb`: You are right... I deleted ~/lisp/quicklisp und created ~/lisp/quick. Then I told clisp to install quicklisp in ~/lisp/quick and the installation worked. 12:52:42 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 12:53:17 The fun part however is, that clisp created ~/lisp/quicklisp and did literally nothing to ~/lisp/quick. This is odd, but since it's exactly what I wanted to begin with, I'm more than content. 12:53:59 flanfl [~flanfl@ABordeaux-651-1-66-185.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:54:38 Thanks for helping out, pjb`. 12:54:40 Joreji [~thomas@81-124.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:58:59 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.123.18] has joined #lisp 12:59:36 Blkt [~user@82.84.188.5] has joined #lisp 13:00:27 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:57 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-233-51.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 13:01:11 user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:02:46 why isn't there an ECOND? 13:04:20 Because it's writen (cond  (t (error "incomplete condition set"))). 13:05:09 (defmacro econd (&rest clauses) `(cond ,@clauses (t (error "incomplete condition set")))) 13:05:29 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 13:09:26 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:10:08 LiamH 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at the various options for DOCUMENTATION and (SETF DOCUMENTATION). There's a lot more that you ca hang documentation from than just functions and macros... and variables, and packages, and classes, and... 15:52:49 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:53:02 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 15:53:06 yes I was just reading. I made it a "bad habit" to almost put all information within comments in a code because it's easier 15:54:51 rannger [~rannger@27.47.14.125] has joined #lisp 15:54:52 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:07 like documentation (x symbol) (doc-type (eql 'variable)) .. 15:56:41 good thing i don't write documentation and don't have moral dilemmas like this 15:56:47 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:04 stassats: because you're free. i'm regulated 15:58:47 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 15:58:58 (-: regulated ? 15:59:48 i think that a good documentations is always a good thing 16:00:17 pnpuff: not always and not to all extents 16:01:07 you have to balance amount and speed of production versus minimum but sufficient docs, versus bullshit substance but a lot of bureaucratic paper work 16:02:57 hah I discovered a gap. no documentation option for hash-tables 16:03:42 or arrays or vectors... that's it I'm going to #python ! 16:04:11 documentation for arrays sounds rather silly 16:04:18 sure... 16:04:51 Joreji [~thomas@81-124.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:05:46 -!- hertz [~newblue@218.15.104.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:07:02 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:14 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:26 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 16:08:07 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:20 francogrex: I've had an idea of implementing something like clojure metadata using weak hash tables, so I could attach such documentation to objects like hash tables and arrays, but it never went further than an idea I had in an afternoon. 16:10:11 i fail to see how it would be useful, they can't even have a name 16:10:21 zerowaitstate [~dwaites@ppp-70-254-44-53.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@business-178-48-2-49.business.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 16:10:33 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@business-178-48-2-49.business.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 16:10:33 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:10:59 so the documentation should go to variables, slots, or wherever the hashtable is stored 16:11:16 stassats++ 16:11:42 BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.44] has joined #lisp 16:11:53 Documenting the hash-table seems like a breakage in the symbol abstractions 16:12:53 stassats: as useful as clojure metadata I guess :) so I agree, clojurians(even stupider term than pythonista) use it mostly for type annotations, and stuff symbol plists are used for in CL. 16:13:27 are property lists still used? 16:13:46 stassats: aren't they used by compilers? 16:14:15 not the compilers i know of 16:14:24 stassats: but they used to be, right? 16:14:32 I've used "disembodied" plists (not attached to a symbol), but symbol plists are a bit rarer... 16:14:43 i have no idea 16:15:00 sometimes, when you can't assume the existence of weak hash tables. 16:15:30 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:16:10 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:16:14 -!- drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:41 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-71-59-142-111.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:51 jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:18:35 jesusito [~user@5.12.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:18:49 -!- rannger [~rannger@27.47.14.125] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:18:56 TeMPOraL` [~user@31-187-1-188.home.aster.pl] has joined #lisp 16:18:58 some documentation-tools also add headers as for example an introduction to what the program does , its usefulness and scope etc...for the real lazy to write things twice 16:20:30 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:20:45 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:21:00 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@ABordeaux-651-1-66-185.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:22 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-030-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:21:28 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 16:22:38 bananagram [~bananagra@c-98-198-236-112.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:49 -!- TeMPOraL [~user@31-187-1-188.home.aster.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:25:30 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:26:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:27:22 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-163-168-125.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:44 gimbal [~gimbal@mo-76-0-5-229.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:11 'Morning 16:30:19 I have a question about ports in McClim. Trying to use McClim via SBCL on ms windows. Is there a port for ms windows? 16:30:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:30:48 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:30:56 it already works for windows, but you need an x server 16:31:15 Isn't there a QT port or something similar? Would that work? 16:31:21 -!- snearch [~snearch@www.polruckeln.com] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:31:25 and "port" is a weird terminology 16:31:47 stassats: ahh, I see. Cygwin would typically provide the x server, I suppose 16:31:52 Unfortunately, a lot of CLIM terminology is weird. 16:32:09 clim itself is weird 16:32:31 CLIM itself isn't even self-consistent. 16:32:32 Well, that would add some stuff to the bundle, if making an installer for a CLIM app for ms windows platforms 16:32:36 gimbal: xming would do 16:33:04 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 16:33:12 are you seriously considering mcclim for something that needs an installer? 16:33:17 i.e., shipping it? 16:33:40 drewc: hi. around? 16:33:50 stassats: the thought was hypothetically on the table, yes 16:34:42 MyntginkingIt's a cross platform GUI toolkit for Common Lisp apps 16:34:47 Agh tablet irc 16:35:31 My thinking was that it's a cross platform GUI for Common Lisp apps, and doesn't need the FFI bridge such as used in EQL 16:35:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:36:06 installing an x server is a lesser evil than a FFI bridge? 16:36:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:36:34 Granted, I'd assumed McCLIM would have a native MS Win backed. might look at ACL's Common Graphics platform then 16:36:41 besides, it doesn't work well on any of the platforms 16:36:56 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-131-106.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has left #lisp 16:37:02 i would suggest commonqt 16:37:05 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-131-106.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 16:37:54 You know, you could try to write a native backend for it. 16:38:34 that doesn't sound like a good strategy when choosing a GUI 16:39:37 Fair point, but it seems reasonable if you're looking for a project. 16:39:41 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has left #lisp 16:40:00 Though, at the same time, McCLIM is probably not a good project to contribute to at this point. 16:40:17 Well, damn. So, at least CommonQT works in SBCL? No funny interrupts issues? 16:40:18 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:40:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:40:47 what funny interrupts issues? 16:40:56 actually, commonqt works best in CCL 16:41:03 Another packaging option, btw, is to ship as a virtual machine disk image or something like that. 16:41:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:41:41 (that's because SBCL doesn't handle signals in foreign threads) 16:41:45 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:28 stassats: my mistake, it was a signals thing - seen in CL+J apparently http://bit.ly/TnbLym 16:43:18 if you can leave without file dialogs and webkit, commonqt works fine in SBCL 16:43:41 Inst [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has joined #lisp 16:43:41 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has quit [Changing host] 16:43:41 Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has joined #lisp 16:45:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:46:07 No file dialogues & such , I see. Well I guess I'll have to shop around... 16:46:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:46:17 pnpuff: thx, will have a go myself. 16:46:24 apparently CCL comes with some webkit support, but only on macosx 16:46:37 gimbal: can't you just use CCL? 16:47:29 One of the things I tried, way back when, was implementing a native win32 UI by direct binding against the APIs, no other toolkit. 16:47:56 ThePortableInstr [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has joined #lisp 16:48:00 stassats: could, but I seem to be biased towards favoring SBCL, presently 16:48:04 It mostly worked out okay, too. 16:48:11 Though I didn't go very far with it. 16:49:33 drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has joined #lisp 16:49:40 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-164-252.w109-222.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:49:54 -!- Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:50:12 francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has joined #lisp 16:50:20 antoszka: use ffmpeg and X11grab filter to send me a screenshot. :) 16:50:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:50:32 why this does not work well (in sbcl) http://paste.lisp.org/display/133901 ? 16:51:09 what does "not well" mean here? 16:51:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:51:40 means whether I setf the random-state or not sbcl always start it's random the same 16:52:13 except of course when I do (let ((*random-state* (make-random-state t))) ... but that's not the aim 16:53:04 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-196-139.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:53:18 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:53:34 -!- ThePortableInstr [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54:36 are you sure that you set *random-state*? 16:55:20 myx [~myx@pppoe-196-222-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 16:55:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:56:07 hmm no; no I see that in the function save-random-state it uses the first *random-state*. I should use (make-random-state t) within the save-random-state function. What the hell is the use of get-universal-time here! stupid me 16:56:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 16:57:06 and what's with (values state file) and then you return NIL? 16:57:14 teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has joined #lisp 16:57:21 and why do you even need to return file as the second value? 16:57:49 homie [~homie@94.122.241.159] has joined #lisp 16:58:03 and :if-does-not-exist :create and :direction :input are superfluous 16:58:14 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:58:35 the values thing is all useless. my want is to make "manually" a random-state, using for instance the time 16:58:57 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 16:59:04 random-state is implementation dependent 16:59:38 yes but how does it get made, it's a structure isn't it? 16:59:53 no, it's whatever it wants to be 17:00:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:01:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 17:01:22 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@103.246.106.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:02:28 Might even be permissible for it to be in integer. Not sure, though, haven't double-checked that part of the spec. 17:03:00 Certainly allowed to be a CLOS instance, possibly a list... 17:03:07 nyef: well, it (typep x 'random-state) should return T, i presume 17:03:33 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03:57 That merely guarantees that there's a defined type for it, that it is subtype to T and supertype to NIL. 17:04:29 It could also be (unsigned-byte 32) with a quick DEFTYPE. 17:05:00 well, random-state is actually a class, so (find-class 'random-state) should succeed 17:05:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:05:44 -!- leoncamel [~leoncamel@219.143.151.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 17:06:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 17:06:45 Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has joined #lisp 17:07:20 teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has joined #lisp 17:07:30 Hrm. 17:07:40 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-164-252.w109-222.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:14 I don't know that that precludes it from also being an unsigned-byte 32. 17:08:58 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:06 nyef: the problem is that random states are meant to be mutable. 17:10:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:10:40 ASau [~user@46.115.72.6] has joined #lisp 17:11:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 17:12:12 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:15 tfb [~tfb@a1.norwich.yourspac.nsdsl.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:05 -!- jesusito [~user@5.12.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 17:18:43 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has joined #lisp 17:18:59 francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925066520.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:19:22 francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has joined #lisp 17:19:29 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.90.1] 17:21:23 -!- Hermit [~arm@unaffiliated/grpala] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:48 PCChris [~PCChris@dhcp-199-74-100-93.res-hall.northwestern.edu] has joined #lisp 17:21:53 -!- user123abc [~sally@c-67-171-79-251.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:58 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has joined #lisp 17:26:12 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.183.58] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 17:26:21 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 17:26:31 have a look on performance comparison, sbcl beat Clojure in almost every way ! 17:26:41 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:22 pkhuong: Ah, I see. By the definition of RANDOM, which is non-functional. 17:29:49 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has left #lisp 17:29:59 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@host-95-199-220-119.mobileonline.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:30:08 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 17:33:04 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:33:35 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has joined #lisp 17:33:59 Gmind: source of the comparison? 17:34:10 wait a sec 17:34:32 http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=clojure&lang2=sbcl 17:34:34 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:36 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:34:53 ty, Gmind 17:35:22 *madnificent* didn't expect clojure to use more memory than sbcl 17:35:51 saw clojure latest release 1.4.0 on Java 7, don't really care about sbcl, because it's awesome already 17:36:21 madnificent: the jvm has a reputation for using a lot of memory 17:36:53 daniel1 [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 17:38:00 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:38:04 -!- daniel1 is now known as danielmg 17:38:06 pavelpenev: sbcl too 17:38:30 Joreji_ [~thomas@81-124.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:38:38 -!- danielmg [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 17:41:26 If you are writing a library X that relies on some functions in library Y, is there a way to avoid having to preemptively rebind every dynamic variable that affects the way that Y works in X? 17:42:57 postfuturist: can you give a more concrete description? 17:42:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756dc9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:30 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-091-089-000-047.hsi2.kabelbw.de] has quit [Quit: eternal darkness] 17:43:51 OK, library Y is cl-json, which has a large number of dynamic vars that affect how it decodes JSON, I need to use it, but it needs to decode the data in the way I expect, if someone else rebinds any of those variables, it will break the library. 17:44:21 -!- brown` [user@nat/google/x-uxrmatbvvzqadckk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:44:24 ok, i see, well, just write a macro with-json-vars which would do that 17:45:46 If you want to be particularly cute, but not necessarily efficient, involve PROGV. 17:46:11 That's going to be one ugly macro, maybe I'll look at the other JSON libs. 17:46:16 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has left #lisp 17:46:22 eh? 17:46:50 that's a non-sequitur! 17:47:22 (defmacro with-json-vars (nil &body body) `(progv *json-vars* *json-var-values* ,@body)) 17:47:44 Suitable definitions for *json-vars* and *json-var-values* left as an exercise for the reader. 17:47:49 even without progv, it's a simple macro 17:48:58 (let (,(loop for var in *json-vars* for value in *json-var-values* collect (list var value))) ,@body) 17:49:29 (mapcar #'list *json-vars* *json-var-values*) 17:49:53 Eh. MAPCAR is rarely the first tool I grab for. 17:50:02 But yeah, that works too. 17:50:11 Note that the NIL in the macro arglist is important. 17:50:40 or rather, just define them as (defparameter *json-vars* '((*var* value))) 17:50:47 oh, heh, apparently the creators of cl-json realized that having 19 vars was kind of a problem. Just saw that it has a with-shadowed-custom-vars macro which does that for you. 17:50:55 nyef: is it? i'd omit it 17:51:00 But you can't use PROGV that way without destructuring the list. 17:51:07 Hey guys. How does the lisp community feel about racket? It seems to be used in an online course I'll be trying to do in January 17:51:09 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:19 SunMoonStar: this lisp community is about Common Lisp 17:51:27 and it's not allowed to think about anything else 17:51:31 SunMoonStar: ^ so, it's like the devil's blood 17:51:41 SunMoonStar: Ask the Scheme people instead? 17:51:41 oh ok... wow .. :O 17:51:48 madnificent: yummy, you mean? 17:51:57 stassats: only if strangled to death first! 17:52:09 nyef: good suggestion, I think. is lispcafe the only 'non denominational' place to go for some objective thoughts? 17:52:10 -!- dru1d [~dru1d@ip-82-177-222-138.net.azartsat.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:52:31 objective thoughts on the internet? well, i'll be! 17:52:38 If I want objective thoughts, I go hang out with the iPhone developers. 17:53:08 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53:14 Oh, wait. That was Objective-C. My bad. 17:53:15 SunMoonStar: many people seem to like common lisp for the features it offers. scheme is more compact, somewhat less practical by default. you'll have to make up your own personal opinion, but getting an unbiased statement on #lisp about #racket (or vice-versa) is not likely going to happen. 17:53:39 SunMoonStar: the opinion I shared with you on #lispcafe was anything but objective :) 17:53:43 scheme more compact? surely not the one you see in racket 17:53:52 pavelpenev: you seem to be the only active on on there :) 17:54:25 I just happened to click on that channel before this one :) 17:55:19 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~bruce@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:55:29 I still don't get why people keep making more versions of lisp 17:55:42 why not just build on the most supported one....... 17:55:44 SunMoonStar: ego mostly 17:55:48 ArmyOfBruce [~bruce@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 17:55:50 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@81-124.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:56:02 they don't, them calling their toys "lisp" doesn't make it so 17:57:11 I'm gonna be trying this course https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang and it uses ruby, ML, and racket to teach the material 17:57:15 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has joined #lisp 17:57:22 don't know any of these and ever heard of ML 17:57:46 but was happy to learn that one of them is a lisp 17:57:50 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-131-106.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:58:19 SunMoonStar: racket is lisp only for a medium broad definition of lisp, for a truly broad definition, all of them are :) 17:58:31 well, racket people feel offended when you call it "scheme", i'm sure they'll be doubly so with "lisp" 17:58:32 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-133-141.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 17:58:56 pavelpenev: so for an ego reason there are many natural languages spoken in the world? :) 17:59:37 -!- ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:59:42 that's not very relevant 17:59:46 pnpuff: what does that have to do with anything? 18:00:30 i assume the transition from racket to CL should not be too cumbersome 18:01:23 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 18:01:25 they are both programming languages. different, a bit like java and c++, or python and ruby 18:01:28 or something like that 18:01:29 SunMoonStar: scheme teaches you many idioms that aren't applicable to CL, took me a year to deprogram myself from scheme thinking. 18:01:36 stassats: phyton is a dialect of lisp. scheme and common lisp are lisp languages. 18:01:41 -!- Guest2841 [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:01:47 The hard part is learning to program. After your third language or so, picking up more is relatively easy, unless they're using a very different paradigm than what you're used to. 18:01:47 ThePortableInstr [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has joined #lisp 18:01:53 eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #lisp 18:01:53 -!- eli [~eli@winooski.ccs.neu.edu] has quit [Changing host] 18:01:53 eli [~eli@racket/eli] has joined #lisp 18:02:02 pnpuff: you are talking crap 18:02:10 pnpuff: Everything is a dialect of lisp in the absence of a definition for "lisp" 18:02:23 my socks are a lisp. disprove that :) 18:02:48 define lisp, and prove python is one. 18:02:51 the only common thing of scheme with common lisp are parenthesis 18:02:54 i think everyone here can agree on lisp being the thing with parenthesis, if we don't count dylan ;) 18:02:58 pavelpenev: I am surprised to hear that seeing how scheme is supposed to be very stripped down? I'd have thought CL was a superset of scheme 18:03:09 maybe H4ns , but yor answer is also crap. 18:03:10 pavelpenev: so, maybe the definition is "has lots of parenthesis?" 18:03:17 SunMoonStar: thought, assumed, and everything is all wrong :) 18:03:26 pnpuff: i was not answering, i was pointing out 18:03:34 fight! fight! fight! 18:03:46 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 18:03:56 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 18:03:58 SunMoonStar: if you take a certain subset of common lisp and a certain subset of scheme, you can say they are pretty much the same 18:04:00 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:54 is there anything inherent in CL that makes it superior to scheme, then, or is it that there's more community support for CL? 18:05:16 common lisp, as a standard is far larger than scheme as a standard. common lisp also has portable libraries across implementations 18:05:16 H4ns: so your pointing out was crap. 18:05:22 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-233-51.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:05:37 There's more community support for CL in this community. You'll get a different answer if you ask the PLT people. 18:05:37 pnpuff: can you stop? 18:06:48 SunMoonStar: If you know what Lojban is, you can think of scheme as that, and common lisp as English. I'd rather speak English than Lojban. 18:07:14 -!- ThePortableInstr [~SouthOfTh@180.235.135.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:07:17 no im going to have to go loop up lojban now brb :P 18:07:21 look* 18:07:58 SunMoonStar: When I write anything in Scheme, I immediately miss CLOS and then a bunch of other things. CL has a lot things that are nice. Scheme is nice, but minimalist by design. 18:08:21 stassats: I've not started to insult. 18:08:28 stassats: No, we're not offended by "Lisp". We're also not really offended by "Scheme", only by the negative baggage that comes with (eg "more compact" above) -- baggage that I think most of us agree is justifiably negative. 18:08:38 (I'll avoid the rest of the flamage...) 18:08:38 Xizor [~Xizor@c83-252-198-185.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 18:09:20 postfuturist: do you also have experience in racket ? 18:10:11 eli: Lisp connection can be detrimental, some even blame AI winter on it 18:10:15 biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:43 SunMoonStar: just a tiny bit, Racket has more things than rnrs scheme, for sure. 18:12:24 SunMoonStar: you should just take the class. it'll be interesting. you won't learn common lisp there, but can do that later. these are religious issues... 18:12:29 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:13:39 stassats: *Many* blamed the AI winter on it; but that issue has been dead and burried long ago. My overall impression is that the only people who are aware of it are inside some Lisp circle, and in general "Lisp" has recovered from that whole thing. 18:14:01 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:37 (And I think that people in AI are very aware that it's not Lisp that killed it, it's the naive approach people had to difficult AI problems. Lisp happened to have been a popular vehicle to implement these misguided ideas...) 18:14:38 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 18:18:46 now you can use RDF for that (; 18:19:11 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 18:19:14 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20:30 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:20:50 antifuchs: (if that was for me, then I completely agree -- RDF comes from this kind of a "total symbolic knowledge" school.) 18:20:56 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 18:21:13 antifuchs: do you like RDF ? :D 18:21:27 eli: yeah, I was working with it for a while. there are some neat concepts in there, but overall seems like a very overengineered thing 18:21:41 eli: RDF allows you to describe things. i doubt it will fail at that. OWL and the likes may fail, but RDF's mission is simple. 18:23:07 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 18:23:15 well, that and that query language. and external data representation. 18:23:23 Sure, it is overengineered, and obviously it can describe things -- it's the underlying idea that you can somehow encode the whole world's knowledge in some symbolic (and mostly manually constructed) way which is wrong. 18:23:32 and of course, internal data representation 18:23:39 all of which have shall we say flaws (: 18:24:29 -!- lufu [~user@5.254.129.141] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:53 antifuchs: SPARQL is not part of the RDF specification 18:26:05 eli: which is not what RDF is built for... knowledge requires interpretation, which is not what RDF does. 18:26:24 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:26:27 *madnificent* checks topic, apologises 18:27:46 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:02 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.56.203] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:29 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28:45 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 18:29:05 nis_ [~nicolas@142.132.84.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:06 h3x3d [~h3x3d@37.204.46.127] has joined #lisp 18:29:07 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl10-233-51.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 18:29:21 pnpuff: Yeah, when I get a while, I will. Extremely busy these days :) 18:30:22 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:30:40 madnificent: the great part about it is that you can extend and contract the RDF spec as much as you want 18:30:51 madnificent: you could say that RDF/XML is also not part of the spec 18:31:24 however, everything attached to the spec pushes it (despite its continued lack of things that would be really useful) 18:31:29 -!- nis_ [~nicolas@142.132.84.79.rev.sfr.net] has left #lisp 18:32:16 Hi, guys! I'm trying to create cffi bindings for libuv, and i have problem with struct, returned by value. 18:32:16 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133906 - here is my code 18:32:16 and this is my error: value # is not of the expected type CCL:MACPTR. 18:32:18 antifuchs: do not worry! XD 18:32:22 ops 18:32:27 hah 18:32:42 the message was for antoszka :) 18:32:56 ;;; I'm very new to CL 18:32:56 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.241.63] has left #lisp 18:32:57 aaanyway, far from topic 18:33:07 H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has joined #lisp 18:33:47 h3x3d: just looking at the error message, seems that cffi is expecting a pointer and gets a struct object instead? 18:34:00 yep, but why? 18:34:22 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:38 guessing (I don't know cffi very well), the :struct return type means struct* 18:34:56 http://lhealy.livejournal.com/2012/04/14/ - i'm using git version of cffi, and it support pass|return by value 18:35:49 s22( 19:30:18 h3x3d ) http://lhealy.livejournal.com/2012/04/14/ - i'm using git version of cffi, and it support pass|return by value 18:36:22 -!- LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:37:04 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 18:38:36 h3x3d: are you sure that (cffi:defctype size-t :unsigned-int) is the right thing? 18:40:10 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:12 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:23 stassats: yes. 18:40:24 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:40:30 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 18:40:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:40:32 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:41:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 18:41:25 Brucio-92 [~Brucio-92@95.72.44.13] has joined #lisp 18:41:49 well, here, sizeof(unsigned int) is 4, but of size-t is 8 18:42:05 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:42:09 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:43:04 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:43:06 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43:10 hm. in the bindings generated with swig i have following: 18:43:10 (cffi:defcfun ("uv_buf_init" uv_buf_init) :pointer 18:43:10 (base :string) 18:43:10 (len :unsigned-int)) 18:43:14 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:43:35 so i think that's problem i'sn here.. 18:43:44 -!- francisl [~anonymous@bas6-montreal45-2925066520.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: francisl] 18:43:56 -!- Brucio-92 [~Brucio-92@95.72.44.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:26 well, can't you just try it with :unsigned-long? 18:44:27 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:44:33 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:44:38 yep, one minute :) 18:44:39 not like it will take too much time instead of guessing 18:45:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:45:34 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:54 if it works, then you need to use cffi-grovel to get the correct value of size-t 18:46:08 the correct definition, that is 18:46:09 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:12 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 18:46:37 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:46:41 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:48:40 that's strange, but it worked so: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133907 18:49:11 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:49:37 next time, annotate the existing paste 18:49:51 ok. Sorry 18:50:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:50:32 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:50:33 Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:38 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:51:04 thx for help.. i'l go and read cffi docs.. 18:51:11 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 18:51:25 that's strange indeed, it should be the same thing 18:51:38 Checked two times. 18:51:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@81-124.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:51:56 does it break again if you change it back? 18:52:02 yes 18:52:21 well, at least (cffi:foreign-type-size 'uv-buf-t) is the same for both 18:52:26 so, something else breaks it 18:53:43 fe[nl]ix: therep 18:53:44 -!- Patzy [~something@lns-bzn-51f-81-56-151-137.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:21 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 18:54:25 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:54:50 Kvaks [~kvaks@112.158.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 18:55:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:56:13 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 18:56:42 stassats: yes ? 18:57:11 fe[nl]ix: i still insist that the null-termintor-len change be merged 18:57:30 because the way plists are used there is thread-safe 18:57:38 and the difference in performance is noticeable 18:58:33 the better solution would be to cache only the last value, but i don't see a nice way which is thread-safe and doesn't cons 18:58:41 that patch is incorrect because null-terminator-len does not take an encoding name, but an encoding designator 18:59:12 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:23 is there something terribly wrong with cl-json that people keep writing alternatives? 19:00:32 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:00:38 no, people just want to write things 19:00:47 dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has joined #lisp 19:01:01 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 19:01:04 the only thing that I'm aware of is that floating point format 19:01:08 "bug" 19:01:14 it may have gotten fixed between 2009 and now thoug 19:01:36 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 19:03:47 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:05:08 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:05:43 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:03 fe[nl]ix: but it would work in that case too, albeit a bit wasteful 19:07:16 -!- auganov [~auganov@78.110.162.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:25 even the current definition doesn't work with external-formats 19:10:32 H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has joined #lisp 19:11:39 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.31.254.190] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 19:14:36 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-67-241-1-145.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:15:16 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013836.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:47 Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 19:17:14 ( 19:30:18 h3x3d ) http://lhealy.livejournal.com/2012/04/14/ - i'm using git version of cffi, and it support pass|return by value 19:17:54 -!- SunMoonStar [~maks@ool-457f5814.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:18:34 pnpuff: ? 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19:33:32 i'm searching something like C-x C-x without the transient marking 19:35:39 try #emacs 19:35:40 yay, C-u C-x C-x, thanks for listening ^^ 19:35:44 np 19:35:51 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: N.b. better the M00nmadness than the Dumbmadness.] 19:37:55 deckeraa [~aaron@gateway/tor-sasl/deckeraa] has joined #lisp 19:38:55 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.217] has joined #lisp 19:45:29 stassats: what do you mean it doesn't work ? 19:46:10 it uses get-character-encoding, which doesn't work with babel:external-format 19:47:33 while lookup-mapping does work 19:48:48 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 19:50:01 i'm actually surprised why caching null-terminator-len gives such a noticeable effect, as opposed to caching lookup-mapping 19:50:52 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:58 ah, i see why 19:51:29 it's using (typep name 'character-encoding), but character-encoding is defined in the same file, so it's not optimized at compile-time 19:56:26 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206148.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:54 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.165.107] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:46 stassats: wow 20:00:27 k0001 [~k0001@host161.186-125-110.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:00:31 doing C-c C-c on get-character-encoding makes it faster, although not by the same magnitude as caching 20:00:56 :D 20:01:41 and it's not the first time i came up with that issue, so SBCL still needs to get its types together 20:04:51 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 20:09:37 -!- am0c [~am0c@am0c.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:17:02 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host161.186-125-110.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:18:19 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-20-105.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:18:48 k0001 [~k0001@host19.190-229-212.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:19:12 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206148.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:20:15 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLinkD@CPE-58-164-75-230.lns1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:26:33 Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:29:03 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.29.202.178] has joined #lisp 20:29:17 -!- EventHorizon [~asdf@107.200.38.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:33 YASON has "json" as a nickname so it can't be loaded if cl-json is loaded (which creates a "json" package). 20:29:37 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:57 LiamH [~none@96.231.227.13] has joined #lisp 20:30:05 the stuff Xach's nightmares are made of 20:30:25 postfuturist: you can use rename-package in a asdf:load-op :after method 20:31:28 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-196-139.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:43 postfuturist: try putting this in your .asd file http://paste.lisp.org/display/133910 20:33:50 postfuturist: (untested) 20:34:17 H4ns: thanks, I'll give it a spin 20:34:42 can't the author of yason be persuaded to drop it? 20:35:04 stassats: thing is, i don't want to annoy my users. 20:35:35 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:35:52 -!- mtd [~martin@ops-13.xades.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:47 H4ns: doesn't seem to help 20:37:59 postfuturist: is the method invoked? 20:38:04 H4ns: you should train them to be more submissive by sudden API breakages 20:39:06 H4ns: it doesn't appear to be 20:39:37 did you try in a fresh image? 20:41:14 postfuturist: it works for me, i just tried. 20:41:26 trying on a fresh image... 20:41:55 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:42:47 ok, that worked! 20:43:26 H4ns: so, why not suggest to the users to put (rename-package :yason :yason '(:json)) in their perform after-methods? 20:43:42 H4ns: thanks! That should probably be a discoverable workaround. 20:43:45 if they wish so 20:44:25 of course, i'd argue that both cl-json and yason didn't have "json" as the nickname 20:44:53 or a name, as in cl-json's case 20:45:27 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:46:23 H4ns: and actually, it's bad solution 20:46:39 ikki [~ikki@189.247.88.168] has joined #lisp 20:46:43 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:47:37 consider this: you load X, which depends on yason, and only after this load the thing with that perform after-method, but it doesn't get triggered, because it's already loaded 20:48:35 you could just rename it at that point, right? 20:48:49 AeroNotix [~xeno@ced6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 20:49:05 qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 20:49:20 this also makes an assumption that yason is loaded before cl-json 20:49:40 so, if something else loads cl-json, then you will get an error before that after-method could be run 20:50:02 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:04 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:50:27 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:50:38 something else loads it first, that is 20:52:11 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 20:52:54 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:53:14 the only real solution is modifying defpackage of yason 20:53:34 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:53:44 -!- qNemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:53:48 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.223.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:54:27 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:34 Makes me want to write my own JSON library :) 20:55:49 and name the package "json"? 20:56:37 riverc4c [~grive@pool-71-183-214-254.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:52 heh, actually anything else, then it can be loaded alongside either one 20:57:28 postfuturist: what if you want to load two third-party packages, one depending on cl-json, another on yason? 20:57:52 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 20:57:58 we should totally have a CL naming authority 20:59:17 EarlGray [~mitra@78.154.160.117] has joined #lisp 21:00:07 but, seriously, until that gets worked out, it's impractical to use either in a library because someone might want to use the other, unless there is a full workaround 21:00:57 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.123.18] has joined #lisp 21:02:15 nyef_ [~nyef@pool-70-109-133-141.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 21:02:15 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-133-141.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:24 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-202.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:35 -!- Ralt_ [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:18 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.88.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:08:21 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 21:13:01 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:18 stassats: the naming authority thing mixed with H4ns version of cdr12/13/whatever for package aliases ... that is on my list of TODO's for 2013 ... 21:17:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 21:18:27 basically, cltl3 will be :common-lisp.net package, and :common-lisp.net/sequences , :common-lisp.net/ etc with, for example common-lisp.net/socket and common-lisp.net/thread etc ... that is, at least, on my mind. 21:19:54 *drewc* has :drewc.org/ips :drewc.org/ips/monad/transformer/state ... etc... one package per file, all of which start with drewc.org 21:20:56 *stassats* is not amused by the idea 21:21:17 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.143] has joined #lisp 21:22:03 so that is, basically, my 'plan' .. have a package name registration thing ... so "DREWC.ORG" ... and anything that starts with drewc.org/ is sub packages of mine. 21:22:57 :drewc.org/ips/monad/transformer/state doesn't seem like it's designed for humans to be able to remember and use 21:24:11 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.20.77] has joined #lisp 21:24:48 no, it is not. it is used internally ... the monad _package_ imports from the other packages and exports all that it imports. 21:25:05 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206123.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:23 and beyond that, that is the reason that my next version of common lisp will have package aliases! 21:26:23 what's the difference with package nicknames? 21:26:46 are they package-local? 21:27:04 xificurC [~user@adsl-dyn-21.95-102-47.t-com.sk] has joined #lisp 21:28:14 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@78.154.160.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:21 can I have two packages with the same nickname, say "JSON" ? 21:28:30 no. 21:28:38 EarlGray [~mitra@78.154.160.117] has joined #lisp 21:28:39 not in Common Lisp. 21:28:47 http://www.cliki.net/cl-package-aliases <--- they are package local there IIRC, but could be file local . 21:28:49 hello, is there anyone who could provide me with a link with instructions for complete noobs to set up Emacs to use common lisp? 21:28:54 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.123.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:28:55 well, if you could, how would you distinguish between them? 21:28:59 oh, so they are local indeed 21:29:29 and what about https://github.com/3b/package-local-nicknames ? 21:29:55 what do you mean, distinguish? 21:30:10 resolve them, but you answered that 21:30:53 and i find "package-local-nicknames" to be a better name 21:31:39 or at least slime? im stuck :( 21:31:56 stuck where? 21:32:12 I don't, because I want a file local nickname ... but that is just my opinion :) 21:32:35 xificurC: http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ 21:32:56 drewc: well, that's what will stop the next common lisp version from succeeding, the lack of consensus 21:33:26 xificurC: that guide looks good to me 21:33:53 or rather, the trouble of achieving consensus 21:34:03 stassats: did that stop the ANSI standard? because there was indeed a lack of consensus there :) 21:34:06 stassats, madnificent, thanks ill take a deeper look 21:34:08 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:34:12 ah yes, true true 21:34:15 drewc: well, it took them years 21:35:04 yup ... so, my plan is not to have symbolics and RMS involved ;) 21:36:21 my take is "why bother, cl is good enough as it is" 21:36:26 and besides that, I am not looking for an ansi standard ... just want to have somewhat documented and tested as part of the language, the things I use everyday and would not use a CL implementation that did not support them. 21:36:33 quicklisp could almost be a dialect of common lisp, not just library loader.... could build a newer package system on top of it 21:36:44 please, no 21:36:52 if it is good enough for you, then stick with it 21:37:36 drewc: add the MOP as a requirement please. 21:37:55 madnificent: what would change? 21:38:23 and my plan is to have a common-lisp.net QL dist for that matter ... with only the stuff that has a 'package maintainer' included in the dist ... like .debs only for .lisps 21:39:13 what would such a maintainer do? 21:41:05 well, I do not know beyond the things that .deb maintainers do ... but really, they will maintian the software the common-lisp.net distribution includes in the 'stable/testing/unstable 21:41:09 ' dists 21:42:08 stassats: it would mean that when i see that the lisp is an implementation of bloat-lisp i can assume that closer-mop will run on it. it is one of the things i use. 21:42:39 I can tell you what I would do as the maintainer of the software packages that I need every day... tests/fixes/etc 21:42:47 madnificent: the only implementation on which closer-mop currently doesn't run out of the box is ABCL 21:42:52 so, what will really change? 21:43:18 and ABCL is working on the AMOP thing! 21:43:30 drewc: it already works quite well 21:43:43 what does? 21:43:50 MOP on ABCL 21:44:02 oh, ABCL and MOP 21:44:47 I know I know ... I happen to know the maintainer of ABCL and have him on my google chat! :P 21:44:50 so, MOP is already an implicit requirement 21:45:48 stassats: does it run on ECL 21:46:06 it does 21:46:59 stassats: fwiw, I agree 100% with you on that. MOP is already a part of my CL that I use every day... because I use UCW/ROFL/LOL/POSTMODERN/CONTEXTL all the time. 21:47:17 odd, contextl fails on ECL 21:47:51 stassats: thanks that was a real 'for dummies' guide :) 21:50:02 veganman [~jason@64.128.82.92] has joined #lisp 21:50:09 anyone running opengenera? 21:50:37 why are you asking? 21:51:12 -!- zerowaitstate [~dwaites@ppp-70-254-44-53.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:51:43 because I can't get it to work properly 21:51:46 this is the problem: 21:51:55 genera (POST): OK 166667 993 21:51:55 genera: Unable to allocate trace buffer Not enough space 21:52:59 francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has joined #lisp 21:53:51 puchacz [~puchacz@46-65-36-47.zone16.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:53:56 have you tried increasing the amount of memory it uses? 21:54:12 yes 21:54:31 (remove #\space "tes -ti /ng"). What the most spartan way to remove #\space, #\- and #\/ at the same time? 21:54:34 I've set it to 512 21:54:47 then that means that it's a good opportunity to do actually something useful instead! 21:54:51 veganman: and more? 21:55:02 I've tried 1024 and 2048 21:55:07 the host has 2GB 21:55:37 and I'm running as root 21:55:51 well, you won't lose much by not being able to run it 21:56:19 well, that's one way to put it 21:56:30 k0001_ [~k0001@host81.186-109-183.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 21:56:44 you can watch a video of someone using it instead, for example 21:56:53 -!- xificurC [~user@adsl-dyn-21.95-102-47.t-com.sk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:25 snot as useful 21:57:56 well, it's not really useful as it is 21:58:02 francogrex: (remove " -/" "tes -ti /ng" :test (lambda (x y) (find y x))) 21:58:23 stassats: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133561 btw ... that is similar to what I want the imps to support for the package local aliases thing, and the text says 'why' :) 21:59:50 I assume I can run sbcl 21:59:53 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host19.190-229-212.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:56 stassats: grand 22:00:30 you mean you actually planned on using opengenera? it's more of a historical curiosity 22:01:16 yes, I wanted to 22:01:34 -!- Xizor [~Xizor@c83-252-198-185.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:44 it's slow, antiquated, and none of modern CL software runs on it 22:01:49 I bought A 64 bit server just so I could run it ... I ran it once, tried it out, and have not run it since. I still own that server, and it runs a lot of other things! 22:02:17 drewc: alpha? 22:02:49 *drewc* is not going to say 'non' because he will not say where he got it from ;) 22:03:08 stassats: why none of modern CL software runs on it? It has a complient CL implementation doesn't it? 22:03:24 I thought so too 22:03:28 Somebody with a genera system should provide patches to those modern CL software. 22:03:29 stassats: yason is MUCH BETTER than cl-json and thus deserves :json as the package name 22:03:41 H4ns: you are biased, aren't you? 22:03:48 stassats: it is a fact. 22:03:51 stassats: :D 22:03:57 pjb: i for one, won't accept such patches 22:03:59 stassats: i'll remove the nickname eventually. 22:04:04 stassats: who isn't? H4ns has the right kind of bias. 22:04:23 stassats: be optimistic, accept them! 22:04:37 veganman: "An experimental version of Open Genera that can run on x86-64 Linux exists" from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera_(operating_system) 22:04:45 yeah I saw 22:04:46 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu went back to savannah ~] 22:04:47 stassats: let me correct myself, i'll remove the nickname when more complaints are coming because i was wrong using it in the first place. 22:04:55 but I have an alpha so, I figured I'd try it there. 22:05:35 almost makes sense, no? 22:05:39 H4ns: fact: that YASON has a :json nickname makes it inappropriate for use in a library 22:06:01 daniel1 [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 22:06:02 postfuturist: did i not admit that just a few seconds ago? 22:06:16 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.32.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:18 *drewc* 'threw out' his Alpha some 20 years ago 22:06:19 -!- daniel1 is now known as danielmg 22:06:28 drewc: hipster. 22:06:29 -!- danielmg [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 22:06:36 Just use com.h4ns.json or whatever unique global that has been allocated to you (and that's not or firstname.family name, they're not globally unique!). 22:06:46 s/or/your/ 22:06:46 pjb`: yason will do fine 22:06:53 perhaps. 22:07:06 *drewc* is using "DREWC.ORG 22:07:06 quicklisp library names are globally unique 22:07:10 but com.netzhansa.yason would be better. 22:07:25 i still have the alpha that has been pre-owned by pascal costanza and edi weitz and that has a opengenera license and i need to get it into good hands. 22:07:36 joekarma: it would be better not to multiply registries. There's the DNS. 22:07:49 H4ns: be careful, someone might write another library with a :yason nickname :) 22:07:51 I like it reversed from JAVA style org.drewc ... because I love .org files basically. 22:07:53 pjb`: true, but I'm thinking more for concisions sake 22:07:54 right. Let's make unique names so painful to use that everyone will define non-unique nicknames. 22:07:55 H4ns: how about creating a package json, which would do (define-compiler-macro decode-or-whatever-it's-named (args) (warn "JSON package is deprecated") (yason:decode args)) 22:08:01 for a couple of quicklisp releases or so 22:08:02 pjb`: i'll switch to com.netzhansa.yason once cdr13 is in place and implemented. 22:08:35 tic [~tic@c83-248-1-231.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:08:57 stassats: i'm open to any patches that solve the problem. i've never used the json nickname myself anyway 22:09:06 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:09:08 i could just remove it and be done with it. 22:09:11 i've never used yason... 22:09:11 *drewc* would prefer netzhansa.com/yason as the package name ... So I know what my first blog post will be about! :) 22:09:34 H4ns: in your case i probably would because yason is just as short anyhow... 22:10:05 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:10:13 i don't plan on getting a domain name just to name my packages 22:10:15 drewc: I'll wait for the confusion when most poeple but not everyone put useful HTTP content there. 22:10:28 stassats: it's ok, they just look like domain names. 22:10:47 If you don't own the domain name it's not ok. 22:11:00 you should probably own a domain name anyhow 22:11:21 i don't, not planning to 22:11:27 You can get one at dyndns.org or at no-ip-com 22:11:31 no-ip.com 22:11:36 it doesn't matter that much. it helps clear up the issue. requiring people to own it is like creating a fictive organization for managing the namespaces and making you pay for it. i doubt it'll create that many issues. 22:11:38 for free. 22:11:59 i have one at dyndns.org, but it's not a domain name, it's just a way around dynamic ips 22:12:09 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: (:nicknames :json) 22:12:13 erm 22:12:14 stassats: and dyndns could take it away from you 22:12:26 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.29.202.178] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 22:12:31 I agree with pjb .. if you do not own the domain name, you shouldn't register the package prefix named after it... that said ... (defpackage :google.com) ... done and broke my own rules! 22:12:51 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Yason 0.6.0, SBCL 1.1.1, Hunchentoot 1.2.7, Drakma 1.2.9 22:12:56 :D 22:13:04 H4ns: much better! 22:13:06 :drewc.org.google.com, surely 22:13:30 it's silly in this order. 22:13:41 H4ns: i thought that you tried to add :json nicknames to everything now, even to #lisp 22:13:46 plus: i don't know if yason should be in the title (nor drakma) 22:14:07 madnificent: *shrug* 22:14:19 madnificent: i don't mind my own shameless self-plugging. 22:14:22 H4ns: you get to maintain hunchentoot, which deserves attention ;) 22:14:27 madnificent: it is my way to reward myself. 22:15:00 Bike: well, imo, drewc.org/google.com is a legitimate package name for my to use. replace that #\/ with a #\., and it is not. 22:15:00 it is unfair! i demand that all libraries i launch are added to the list... (doesn't make much sense, does it?) 22:15:25 madnificent: get back to coding. 22:15:32 s/my/me 22:15:43 drewc: are you planning on running http://google.com/ on UCW? 22:15:45 the problem with the domain name approach is the domain names chosen rarely represent at all what the libraries contained therein actually do, and they're long and unwieldy... so it's a lot of extra line noise which solves only the problem of name clashes 22:16:19 and ownership changes. 22:16:46 joekarma: indeed, the domain name represents the author of the library. 22:16:53 stassats: no, on my own version of things called "For The Web" 22:16:55 i don't think that anything should be changed, it works well as it is, people who don't play by the rules just get bashed and change 22:16:59 you're right, the topic shouldn't contain useful things 22:17:10 Since several people may author libraries to do the same thing, it's a good thing to prefix package names by the author's unique identifier. 22:17:36 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17:37 joekarma: yup, hence cl-package-aliases, H4ns cdr13, package-local-nicknames etc 22:17:41 it doesn't seem worth it to introduce so much complexity just because of some occasional name collisions 22:17:45 pkhuong: and when ownership changes, you can rename the packages. 22:18:06 "you can rename the packages" thank you 22:18:06 NeXTSTEP is not called NeXTSTEP anymore. It's called Cocoa now. 22:18:15 i think the naming system we have works fairly well now. i wouldn't like to use sexml.knowified.com:parse-dtd in my code 22:18:26 for my, having the packages laid out the way I do saves me one hell of a lot if time 22:18:33 i like Fare's idea of minimizing the number of packages with overlapping functionality better 22:18:40 it should be com.knowified.sexml:parse-dtd 22:18:48 pjb`: and i wouldn't like that either 22:18:50 stassats: so do i. cl-json must die! 22:18:53 :D 22:18:58 jsown must thrive \o/ 22:19:05 On the other hand, cl-json is ridiculous. Just call it json. 22:19:16 All the cl- stuff is dumb. 22:19:21 its package is already called json 22:19:34 well, it's easier to google with cl- 22:19:35 s/my/me again ... odd, that must be that sid eof my brain malfunctioning. 22:19:38 pjb`: yes, because why are unique names for, except to be subject to arbitrary changes? 22:20:02 s/sid/side, though tripping make some sense there as well... 22:20:56 -!- tic is now known as mikaelj 22:23:13 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:11 is there anyone building sbcl for gnu hurd? 22:24:16 no 22:24:21 no. 22:24:25 Is anyone building gnu hurd? 22:24:42 non 22:24:50 nay 22:25:19 why would anyone even ask? 22:25:28 -!- agumonkey [~agu@27.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:25:49 why not? 22:25:52 ircmouser [~guest@c-67-172-123-65.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:26:11 -!- biscarch [~chris@108-83-17-79.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:26 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f756dc9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:26:29 stassats: tonight is the "ridiculous question night" 22:26:42 or for plan9 22:26:57 stassats: you may ask anything tonight. "does anyone run opengenera?" "plan9?" "the gnu hurd?" 22:27:20 how about minix 3? 22:27:25 \o/ 22:27:28 H4ns: damnit, it is still afternoon here, the night cannot be good if that is the case! 22:27:37 does it run on haiku alpha 4 yet ? 22:27:41 does sbcl run on sco openserver? 22:28:05 drewc: ha! i'll go to bed soon and leave you with all the ridicule! 22:28:08 ah I've got that too 22:28:16 I've got the original cd set 22:28:23 Posterdati: c o n g r a t u l a t i o n s 22:28:36 take them from a kiosk long time ago 22:28:37 -!- capisce [~srodal@cm-84.215.35.251.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:28:39 -!- kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:28:56 less then 10 22:29:00 H4ns: being on PST has its advantages/disadvantages. 22:29:15 -!- TeMPOraL` [~user@31-187-1-188.home.aster.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:16 H4ns: tx 22:30:32 H4ns: I've got SGI IRIX 6.5 cd sets too 22:30:44 can you brag them somewhere else? 22:30:47 about 22:30:48 and amiga os 3.1 22:33:36 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:36:56 capisce [~srodal@cm-84.215.35.251.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 22:40:33 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 22:43:37 Well, I've got amiga os 1.2, on a chip. 22:43:48 Kickstart, to be precise. 22:44:51 biscarch [~chris@ip-64-134-238-131.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 22:45:50 dedis [~dedis@alice.cs.yale.edu] has joined #lisp 22:47:36 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:54:15 ISF [~ivan@189.61.223.97] has joined #lisp 22:54:57 pkhuong: yes, GNU Debian/Hurd is alive 22:55:29 SunMoonStar [~maks@ool-457f5814.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:05 -!- linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 22:58:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:58:32 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-030-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:58:43 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1177917310.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:59:00 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:59:29 kofno [~kofno@cpe-24-165-213-150.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:03:23 antoszka: I've got a real amiga 2000 with updated chips :) 23:03:24 -!- nyef_ [~nyef@pool-70-109-133-141.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:31 nyef__ [~nyef@pool-70-109-133-141.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:43 Posterdati: Nice! 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