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Here's how far I've come: (make-array 1 :initial-contents '((random 5))) 00:31:20 (loop repeat 5 collect (random 5)) 00:31:22 not possible, sorry. that certainly won't work, it'll just put the list (random 5) in the array. 00:31:28 wormphle1m [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:32:10 ok 00:32:11 you could do something like (let ((foo (make-array 1 :initial-element 5))) (map-into foo #'random foo)) 00:32:30 loop creates a list instead of array? 00:32:45 yes, it does. 00:35:04 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:35:56 but you can't initialize an array with a function, is the point; only with a sequence of contents or one initial value for all of them. you'll have to do some mapping. 00:37:05 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:37:34 ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 00:37:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:49 ok 00:38:33 ghast [~user@host218.190-138-30.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 00:38:34 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2dae.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:48 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 00:45:48 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Client Quit] 00:46:07 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:31 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:29 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 00:57:28 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-211-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:32 -!- ml__ [~ml@p3E9E33E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05:45 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 01:05:53 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 01:08:15 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:00 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A1ABD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:15:33 -!- walter|r [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:29 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:17:31 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:17:59 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:42 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:19:01 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:19:06 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:19 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:28:52 -!- ssvrrwq [~user@24.68.50.61] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:42 -!- lucky__ [~lucky@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:35:20 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:35:44 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:37:03 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 01:37:22 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:37 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 01:40:54 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:41:00 eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has joined #lisp 01:43:12 So guys, after all, parenscript is not soo good, is it? It shares all common lisp's flaws it has because of historical reasons, without allowing you to fix them with existing CL libraries/macros :( 01:43:53 did you expect threading to work or something? 01:45:06 Ascender_ [~ascension@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 01:46:40 <_tca> you are clearly misunderstanding what parenscript is SrPx 01:47:41 <_tca> It's an alternative syntax for javascript, with a couple of goodies. It's not an implementation of common lisp that compiles to javascript 01:48:15 Yes, I see... 01:48:57 I was hoping I could use the vast array of CL code 01:51:21 jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 01:52:38 -!- Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Ascender] 01:52:38 -!- Ascender_ is now known as Ascender 01:54:55 -!- jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:36 why do people automatically associate concurrency with threading these days? 01:55:52 is there something terribly evil about fork()ing a new process and then talking to that? 01:58:01 Bird|lappy: it's often rather annoying 01:58:06 TheAscender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:45 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:59:48 fe[nl]ix, fork()'s API? or inter-process communication? 02:02:52 IPC 02:03:24 ah. 02:03:32 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.104.236.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04:00 I personally think "share only what you designate" is a more conceptually sound way to think of things than "share everything except for what you designate" 02:04:11 less error-prone, IOW 02:05:03 klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 02:11:21 -!- mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:16:25 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:27 -!- wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:28 -!- TheAscender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: TheAscender] 02:24:01 Bird|lappy: YES 02:26:33 mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has joined #lisp 02:27:14 Bird|lappy: long influence of non-unix systems with sometimes crippled IPC 02:28:16 also, reactor model, while efficient, was hard to program in C, while threads often got better performance than fork in a number of cases. then there's the fact that for IPC you needed the reactor pattern again, etc. 02:28:28 jasb [~jasb@109.227.34.166] has joined #lisp 02:28:42 I recently read a post which pushed some blame on dot-com bubble 02:31:39 -!- Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:35:19 -!- mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:37:13 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:37:33 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:29 walter|rtn [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:47 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 02:41:36 -!- walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:45 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:45 mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has joined #lisp 02:44:32 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has left #lisp 02:46:35 dinomadsaur [dcff0299@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.255.2.153] has joined #lisp 02:47:16 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:53:37 you could always use SysV SHM 02:53:50 still better to designate explicitly what is shared 02:55:16 ah yes, that's been working very well for postgre. 02:57:09 pkhuong: it's "postgres" 02:57:28 fe[nl]ix: sorry 02:58:34 vsync: yes, but you still have to code async. behaviour with events instead of spinlocks in threads. Who cares it's more efficient ;) 02:58:53 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 03:00:18 pkhuong: it's a naming mistake that postgres devs can't seem to be able to take back :) 03:01:05 p_l: that last sentence lacks something 03:01:52 is it "Who cares, it's more efficient" or "Who cares that it's more efficient" ? 03:06:53 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:07:49 fe[nl]ix: the second 03:08:12 meanwhile, I'm not sure I want to know which model is used by the app I'm working on at work 03:08:24 segmond [~segmond@99.102.148.54] has joined #lisp 03:08:26 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.116.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:08:57 my brain locks up at the amount of network traffic wasted by SVN when I cloned it, and that git-svn managed to blow the stack importing it 03:09:20 -!- Ascender [~ascension@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:11:01 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What should I do? 08:01:52 minion: tell covi about pcl 08:01:57 pcl: I can't be expected to work when CLiki doesn't respond to me, can I? 08:02:07 bah. well, check out Practical Common Lisp. 08:02:26 I'm learning scheme. Would scheme suffice? 08:02:42 Sure, but then you want #scheme, not #lisp. 08:02:54 This channel is for CL. 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Is this true? If yes, in what way? 09:49:52 -!- kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 09:54:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:55:15 it is from before quicklisp. 09:57:22 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:57:23 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:57:40 -!- Summon [~Summon@gw2.sibers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05:23 codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.34.38.mtnl.net.in] has joined #lisp 10:06:57 does lisp have a predicate to tell if 2 variables are of the same type 10:07:47 kanru [~kanru@kanru-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #lisp 10:09:08 subtypep 10:09:14 doomlord: no. but you can use typep, subtypep and type-of 10:09:35 -!- codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.34.38.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:10:14 oh, subtypep is more versatile ? 10:10:50 (number, bignum ) =>t perhaps etc 10:11:25 the original thought i had was determining if a collection was homogeneous or not 10:11:44 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 10:11:51 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:12:14 ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 10:12:14 codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.34.38.mtnl.net.in] has joined #lisp 10:13:28 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 10:14:03 morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7559c2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 10:14:19 how to format text to the terminal in color? 10:14:30 (defun sametype(a b)(typep a (typeof b))) ok 10:15:32 will work fine, except for specificity, ie do you consider integer and float different? 10:15:47 if no, you may need to add subtypep 10:16:40 usually I would consider them different, as a cpu would ; i can see the use for subtypep 10:16:55 doomlord: why do you want to know if a collection is "homogenous"? 10:17:20 Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 10:18:35 in many contexts a homogeneous collection can be treated differently 10:18:53 nydel: I think no Combinator Formatting kind of library for CL... so it's little bit hard. 10:19:04 ..a little bit.. 10:20:51 hmmm 10:20:58 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.79] has joined #lisp 10:21:17 nydel: just write the ansi color sequences yourself using a trivial function. 10:21:54 H4ns: what do they look like though, not as simple as "(print "\033")" right?.. 10:22:22 nydel: (format t "~C[.." #\Escape) 10:23:10 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 10:24:47 H4ns: i'm not quite getting it.. could you write that line to say hello after escape code "\035" for an example please? 10:25:03 maybe cl-colors is useful. 10:25:18 nydel: i don't know what escape code "\035" is. 10:25:20 or does the escape code need to be sent in a separate instance of format 10:25:23 but cliki is still down ... :( 10:25:45 H4ns: i think 030-037 are to set text color 10:25:50 nydel: you can clear the screen using (format nil "~C[H~C[2J" #\Escape #\Escape) 10:26:06 cl-colors does not have escape codes, its just RGB and RGBA classes, with mehtods for converting rgb <> hsv and so on, plus standard X11 color names constants 10:26:33 H4ns: oh how neat, that's useful 10:26:35 nydel: all ansi sequences start with the control sequence introducer CSI which is normally encoded as "Escape [" 10:27:06 nydel: there is an alternative 8 bit encoding for the csi, but i don't know how well it works. i'd rather use escape [ 10:27:55 H4ns: then if i wanted to send 33 would that be ~C[33 10:28:04 with the character as escape 10:28:26 "the character as escape"? 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10:46:45 "Quicklisp is a library manager for Common Lisp. It works with your existing Common Lisp implementation to download, install, and load any of over 700 libraries with a few simple commands." 10:47:00 i don't know a more clear description 10:47:14 (it's from the quicklisp page) 10:47:42 stassats, yes I realised after posting (I found ql yesterday and forgot about it) 10:47:58 stassats, but how does having a package manager make a book outdated? 10:48:47 it doesn't describe quicklisp, which is quite important nowdays 10:48:58 but then again, it doesn't use that much libraries itself 10:49:20 so, it's not really outdated 10:50:35 I see 10:51:06 stassats, so quicklisp is the preferred way to get libraries for lisp? 10:51:10 We're Not Gonna Take It .. Not out .. always In :) 10:51:14 yes, it is 10:52:45 stassats, I don't mean to underplay it in any way, but "over 700 libraries" seems quite a small number. Are there so few libraries for lisp? 10:52:54 or is that actually a lot? 10:54:29 there are some libraries not present for various reasons, but yes, that's about it 10:55:07 wow 10:55:20 -!- Odyessus [~odyessus@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 10:55:27 shwouchk: there is a lot of CL code floating around, but a few available with Quicklisp. 10:56:21 a lot as in? one off hacks by the authors don't really count as usable libraries 10:56:50 I kind of expected there to be many many more. Interesting... 10:56:54 i myself don't bother getting my stuff into quicklisp 10:57:12 why not? 10:57:54 because i don't make it proper or complete enough for other people to use, just for myself 10:58:03 ah 11:03:24 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:03:27 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 11:06:20 Daisy [~Daisy@94.191.168.228.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 11:06:51 mrm [~user@92.50.188.118] has joined #lisp 11:07:41 -!- kmels__ is now known as kmels 11:13:31 benny [~user@i577A7502.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:13:54 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:33 punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 11:18:02 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:22:30 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 11:24:13 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:27:16 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it 15:12:14 hm, never crossed my mind to try that. 15:12:20 not that i know of. 15:12:33 not a high perf thingy, but would be usable 15:12:36 not really sure what the advantage would be though 15:12:43 we discussed that a while ago with dim, who has postgres experience, but just theoretically 15:12:50 segv_: triggers written in lisp 15:13:06 segv_: not a small feat in a trigger-happy postgres environment, i'd say :) 15:13:35 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:58 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:52 hm, that would be nice wouldn't it... 15:15:45 but it probably wouldn't be good enough to, for example, just embed ecl in postgres. you'd want to talk to your own server running all your other code. 15:17:26 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aqv163.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Uploading hax.....] 15:17:47 i'm not sure - embedded pl languages usually only interact with the database, so for many use cases, ecl would suffice. 15:18:24 it is probably harder to embed any lisp into postgres than just write a simple remote function caller 15:18:36 any common lisp that is 15:18:44 antonv [5d7d2aa0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.42.160] has joined #lisp 15:19:23 if I am pressed, I may try abcl on existing pl/java 15:21:30 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:03 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 15:22:20 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053000106.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:22:25 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:53 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:24:36 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 15:24:37 naryl: (asdf:run-shell-command ... ) looks useful for the purpose. 15:27:04 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.114] has joined #lisp 15:32:09 -!- teggi 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image 17:09:05 I think that's something pl/java already allows you to do 17:09:27 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:09:41 the other option is local_preload_libraries and your .so is then loaded separately for each session needing it, typically at first function call 17:10:59 I guess some CL libs already exist to be able to do some Remote Procedure Calls so that the one image you setup in PostgreSQL would then mainly be a proxy to run code in your "main" application image, right? 17:11:17 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:11:22 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 17:11:31 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 17:11:57 -!- wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:12:10 cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has joined #lisp 17:12:16 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-108-45-162-198.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:13:15 -!- hcs [~Thunderbi@72.133.224.220] 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the backend process is forked, so while establishing the connection 17:25:10 without -e option echo should give me : This is red->\e[00;31mRED\e[00m 17:25:12 pnpuff: replace the \e's with \\e 17:25:29 pk Bike : hello and thanks ! 17:25:43 ,s/pk/oh/ 17:26:42 since lisp does backslash for escape too, \e is just read as e before it's passed to the shell 17:27:29 walter|r [~walter@ip-64-134-243-96.public.wayport.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:00 ml__ [~ml@p3E9E4F01.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:35 what's the best way to have additional checks in debug mode? 17:30:47 right now i use (defconstant with-checks t) 17:31:12 but i'm getting lots of unreachable code notes when setting it to nil... 17:31:14 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:54 Thra11 [~thrall@75.82.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:36 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:52 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18:06:41 ml__: and of course, instead of testing #+my-feature, you'd test #+my-package:my-feature 18:07:10 there would be some trouble with pushing it before compilation, though 18:07:24 so, it's easier to push :my-package-my-feature 18:07:27 You'd need to define the package first, indeed. 18:07:53 ml__: you can parameterize your type: (deftype type-field-string (&optional (max-field 1)) `(simple-array (str) (,max-field))) 18:08:05 cdidd [~cdidd@95-26-126-163.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 18:08:21 pjb: i thought ml__ wanted to use constants 18:09:01 and that's why +max-field+ is a good convention 18:09:05 ah, types with parameters 18:09:08 Yes. 18:09:15 yes, but i'm using everywhere the same values 18:09:22 there is some max, and only one 18:09:45 but if it doesn't help performance, well 18:10:09 it may even hinder it 18:10:10 then, in sbcl, boundary checks get eliminated anyway? 18:10:11 In any case, the impact on performance of types (and even constants) is highly implementation dependant. 18:10:35 no, boundary checks are not eliminated "anyway", only where they can be eliminated 18:10:55 Where the compiler can prove to itself that they're not needed. 18:11:29 yay, i'm looking forward to disassemble some code 18:12:04 execcesive type declarations, being assertions on SBCL, may slow things down 18:12:34 i know i have to set speed up and safety down 18:13:04 well, that's usually the last resort, you can have good performance without touching SAFETY 18:13:35 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:00 ok 18:15:10 have to read some sbcl documentation 18:15:31 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:26 yena_ [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:18:11 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19:46 dotemacs [uid801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zaqlkzxyocrisann] has joined #lisp 18:20:16 -!- A85 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18:50:22 (merge-pathnames #P "some/other/directory/" (concatenate 'string (sb-ext:posix-getenv "HOME") "/")) .. some other alternative to (concatenate ... ) ? -thanks a lot- 18:50:59 (merge-pathnames x (user-homedir-pathname))? 18:51:35 ok .. thanks stassats ! :) 18:51:45 zulu_inuoe [~zulu_inuo@184.89.111.53] has joined #lisp 18:52:20 hello 18:52:50 phadthai: Hello! 18:53:03 hi phadthai ... 18:54:26 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:15 So I'm using cffi to call into some win32 API functions, and I'm trying to call into one that takes in a 'LPWSTR', which windows calls a 'Unicode' string. Might anyone have an idea what(if any) of the cffi string encodings is suitable to use in this case? 18:56:15 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:00:56 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:01:59 walter|r [~walter@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:14 -!- pjb [~t@vil93-14-88-184-74-97.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:04:17 zulu_inuoe: UCS-2 or UTF-16, I guess. 19:10:25 Is there a listing of the different encodings available for cffi? 19:10:38 whatever babel knows 19:10:53 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.95] has joined #lisp 19:11:19 stassats: Oh cool, thanks 19:12:49 wchun [~wchun@81-232-46-25-no38.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 19:13:29 -!- confab [~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:40 -!- engblom is now known as mrcarrot 19:16:02 -!- mrcarrot is now known as engblom 19:17:06 -!- BlankVerse 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New: SBCL 1.1.1, Hunchentoot 1.2.7, Drakma, 1.2.9 23:22:03 -!- Murilo [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (...) 23:22:05 what a stupid idea! 23:22:47 someone remind me of the ban syntax? 23:23:10 is it really neccessary? 23:23:27 hmmm 23:23:30 oh well 23:23:30 ./mode +b ? 23:23:49 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 23:27:43 -!- Guest74833 [~scott@74.82.230.216] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 23:27:58 Anyone can change the topic? 23:28:24 is that a rhetorical question? 23:28:38 No. 23:28:41 Euthy: we are pretty trusting and laid back bunch in the end 23:28:59 didn't you just witness the answer to your question? 23:28:59 (or keep the good stuff far away from grabby hands) 23:29:00 Well, you know how to fix it. :) 23:29:23 stassats: Could be something more going on. 23:29:30 the question is whether you want to fix it 23:29:51 No, I meant, you know how to undo any damage. 23:30:19 why not set the topic protection mode? :) 23:30:23 someone crazy could claim it's an offshoot of AI Lab style of security - breaking the system just isn't worth it, and there are people with guns around ;) 23:30:31 xpoqz: because it's not neccesary 23:31:45 alright then! 23:32:10 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu moved back to savannah ~] 23:37:54 setting safety to 1 as opposed to 0 does cost 15% in my array heavy code... 23:38:09 ml__: be wary of breaking GC with safety 0 23:38:15 i'll set it to 1 23:38:20 i.e. don't lie to compiler about types 23:38:39 setting safety to 0 also increases headache by 50% 23:38:44 :) 23:38:44 it get's funny when you create type tags that don't make sense, because one type overwrote another 23:39:25 (for example, when you fit a double into fixnum on SBCL) 23:43:26 cthuluh [jca@chomsky.autogeree.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:59 -!- urandom__ [~user@p54B0E364.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:44:30 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.67.79.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:15 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 23:54:51 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp