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00:42:31 yes, i'm interested in the EQUAL case 00:43:27 eql. 00:43:47 that's what "the same" means in they hyperspec. 00:44:29 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 00:45:33 -!- senj [~textual@S01060026f3e14440.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:45:48 -!- trebor_dki [~user@kvpn.lbf.fraunhofer.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:56 chebastian [~chebastia@c-d875e255.015-51-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 00:47:34 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 00:48:20 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:21 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 00:49:56 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Client Quit] 00:52:23 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 00:53:38 ml__ alexandria:switch 00:54:46 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:26 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:55:29 milanj [~milanj_@93-87-194-171.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 00:56:35 -!- agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:59:34 Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@ip68-107-237-136.om.om.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:59:34 -!- Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@ip68-107-237-136.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:59:34 Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has joined #lisp 01:07:00 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 01:07:08 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 01:07:35 i'm looking for the simplest way to get the effect of calling (hunchentoot:no-cache) within a handler created by (hunchentoot:create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler)... any ideas? 01:08:15 or do i just need to define my own handler? 01:10:25 bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 01:12:06 -!- catmtking [~catmtking@dhcp-138-23-59-162.dyn.ucr.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14:45 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-34-213-78.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:14:50 hi all 01:15:06 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15:09 Does usocket support unix local domain sockets? 01:15:37 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-87-194-171.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:55 and, what parallel library would you suggest using (preferably csp), it should be stable and not too experimental. 01:17:06 thread pools would be a plus 01:19:41 Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483AD90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 01:20:50 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A4F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22:25 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 01:23:38 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 01:28:08 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.255.80] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 01:29:41 ml__: if you look in the gloassary of the hyper-spec for "same" you will find that it means eql when used in that context 01:29:43 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:41:10 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:45:17 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:57 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:48:08 -!- jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:53:21 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.178.160] has joined #lisp 01:55:45 thanks for all, bye 01:55:52 -!- ml__ [~ml@p3E9E2E86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:56 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:04 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:01:21 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-203-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:02:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:13:06 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:17:14 mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has joined #lisp 02:20:41 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:21:47 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.145] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:22:01 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-069-039-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:27:13 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-590c2dae.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 02:29:21 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-5f7544f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:29:58 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75d13a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:31:06 Inst [~SouthOfTh@unaffiliated/inst] has joined #lisp 02:31:37 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 02:31:49 hi, can i make stupid newbie remarks here? 02:33:17 as long as you're okay with the response, probably 02:35:07 If you know they're stupid, why make them? :-) 02:35:49 well, stupid is relative 02:36:24 from your perspective and mine the definition of stupid is different 02:36:32 I suppose that counts as a stupid newbie remark 02:36:33 ;) 02:37:25 wakeup: i can recommend lparallel 02:37:34 But you're the one that want to make stupid remarks, so you already think they're stupid. :-) 02:38:16 robot-beethoven: there is no way - the set of headers that hunchentoot adds for static files is fixed. 02:39:12 for a list represented as a cons cell chain where the next pointer points right and the nest pointer points down, D can be understood as right and A can be understood as down, right? 02:39:25 rtoym: it depends on whose reference frame, right? 02:39:43 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 02:39:47 What's the problem with this heuristic? 02:39:56 you could understand it that way, assuming d means the cdr and a the car 02:40:02 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 02:40:35 yeah 02:40:49 what's the limitations of this conception, though? 02:41:25 meh let me do a lmgtfy 02:41:25 ;_; 02:41:26 Thra11_ [~thrall@75.82.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:27 what does that mean? 02:42:03 let me google that for you 02:42:11 I meant the conception thing. 02:42:17 that someone already made that remark regarding car / cdr 02:43:05 because i'm reading Common Lisp: A Gentle Approach to Symbolic Computation and I don't understand why they never mention thinking of car / cdr as just down vs right/next 02:43:23 It's as though there's something wrong with it 02:43:26 you could use them in other ways. it's just a pair. 02:43:28 hence why i'm saying it's a stupid newbie remark 02:44:10 There used to be a nice introduction to lists in the emacs manual, complete with little box diagrams. 02:44:12 Oh, and you could have circular lists and stuff. 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creates symbol-macros 09:43:20 fine 09:43:27 which expand into (slot-value x y) 09:43:31 fine 09:43:49 DESTRUCTURING-BIND could do something similar 09:44:04 ivan-kanis [~user@50.32.201.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:44:12 well, it doesn't 09:44:15 ok ^^ 09:44:21 it wouldn't know how to 09:44:31 really 09:45:01 what kind of place it is isn't know at compile-time, so it can't generate proper code for handling such a place 09:45:27 hmm, well, simple cases could work 09:45:40 simple as in? 09:46:12 (destructuring-bind (a) some-list (setf (car a) 1)) 09:46:36 oh, sry 09:46:50 it should be this, surely: 09:46:51 (destructuring-bind (a) some-list (setf a 1)) 09:47:20 right, it could be done for lists 09:47:47 ah, what else does DESTRUCTURING-BIND do? 09:48:09 well, i though you were talking about binding to arbitrary places 09:48:55 are you talking about first-class places? 09:49:35 no, just places 09:50:58 you can write your own destructuring macro which would expand into symbol-macros 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Using just CAR and CDR, is it possible to write a function that returns 11:01:55 the last element of a list, no matter how long the list is? Explain. 11:01:57 this is impossible, right? 11:02:27 no. 11:02:43 it is not a trick question. 11:02:52 you can't specify the last element of a list using just car and cdr 11:03:35 ah. well, if that is what is really meant, then yes. 11:03:48 p_l|backup [~pl@web1.rootnode.net] has joined #lisp 11:03:51 car by definition specifies the first element of a list, but you can't get the function to read the last element using just car and cdr 11:03:57 but with car and cdr, you cannot write a function either 11:05:33 i'm not sure what you're doing. i would suppose that in addition to car and cdr, defun, let and if are allowed. 11:05:45 and some arithmentic 11:05:47 arithmetic 11:06:52 or whatever. it is too early to type or think clearly for me :) 11:08:15 the problem is in the lexer :-) 11:08:51 spiderweb [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 11:08:52 pnpuff: you did it again lol 11:09:21 I was only joking. 11:10:27 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 11:13:00 Jeaye [~Jeaye@gateway/tor-sasl/jeaye] has joined #lisp 11:17:43 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@218.74.36.162] has joined #lisp 11:20:32 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@ABordeaux-651-1-55-25.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:56 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:22:39 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 11:23:45 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Words don't come easy.] 11:24:02 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:33:00 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 11:44:16 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 11:44:18 sunwukong [~vukung@78.139.3.238] has joined #lisp 11:47:00 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002a1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 11:47:15 mrSpec [~Spec@80.187.201.11] has joined #lisp 11:47:15 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@80.187.201.11] has quit [Changing host] 11:47:15 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:47:52 my tumblr posting project is becoming a lisp library showoff. "apply glue liberally" 11:50:50 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 11:51:28 https://github.com/hanshuebner/g-tumblr/blob/master/g-tumblr.lisp 12:06:15 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 12:07:52 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 12:08:14 wow 12:08:16 lispworks sucks 12:08:21 i can call an infinite loop with con 12:10:03 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@94.144.63.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:16 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 12:10:20 if that is what makes you think something sucks, then maybe you should not try "programming" and instead do, say "gardening" 12:10:38 no no no 12:10:48 the IDE environment hangs if i call an infinite loop 12:10:55 could be an issue with the OS + app interaction 12:11:04 also gardening is great 12:11:05 don't bash it 12:11:09 ;) 12:11:24 yes, you can hack garden plants 12:17:14 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.89.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:19:22 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 12:22:23 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-139-67.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:27:11 teggi [~teggi@113.172.59.180] has joined #lisp 12:27:58 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 12:28:17 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.151.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:30:12 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.52.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:30:13 simplechat [~simplecha@ppp121-44-179-1.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:30:13 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@ppp121-44-179-1.lns20.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:30:13 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 12:34:35 -!- jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:57 add^_ [~add^_@m37-2-163-245.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:45:11 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:32 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:48:58 -!- ml__ [~ml@p3E9E2E86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:49:47 ikki [~ikki@189.247.245.154] has joined #lisp 12:51:33 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-181-138.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:52:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:12 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:54:11 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-51.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:43 cdidd [~cdidd@37-145-223-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 12:58:05 clariprincess [~princesit@200.84.67.68] has joined #lisp 13:00:45 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 13:02:14 ml__ [~ml@p3E9E33E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:03:12 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:06:07 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:07:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:42 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 13:10:46 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:12:06 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-14-39.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:18:07 yena [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:20:39 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 13:22:07 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:22:43 mathrick_ [~mathrick@94.144.63.81] has joined #lisp 13:22:56 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 13:23:34 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c2dae.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:24:56 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-65-101.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:26:42 klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:27:20 yena_ [~yena@akasha.ayai.com] has joined #lisp 13:29:54 mrm [~user@89.189.142.249.dynamic.ufanet.ru] has joined #lisp 13:30:20 -!- yena [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:21 -!- yena_ is now known as yena 13:33:51 am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 13:34:59 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:35:29 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 13:36:06 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:42 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:20 does lparallel work over multiple machines? For example on two different PCs connected to a lan? 13:50:05 -!- am0c_ is now known as am0c 13:51:30 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:54 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has joined #lisp 13:52:15 no 13:52:16 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:33 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has joined #lisp 13:52:51 p_l: i c 13:53:07 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:18 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.151.217] has joined #lisp 13:53:26 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has joined #lisp 13:53:38 francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has joined #lisp 13:54:09 finally I managed to use lisp cgi on any server supporting c compiled executables (thank you ECL) 13:54:46 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:10 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:55:24 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has joined #lisp 13:55:40 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:55:46 relatedly: what is the functional difference between (print "output") and (format t "output~%") ? The print from the cgi program outputs back to screen while the format doesn't (gives an error) but it formats ok if directed to a file stream on the server 13:56:13 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.139] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:29 francogrex: ... there shouldn't be one. I'd consider it a bug, or some hidden rebinding of *standard-output* etc. 13:56:31 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:56:56 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:12 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Words don't come easy.] 13:57:56 :( hmm too bad 13:59:09 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@37-145-223-243.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:34 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 14:07:19 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 14:09:52 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@99.102.71.162] has joined #lisp 14:10:05 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-211-189.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:11:25 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:14 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:16:43 ArmyOfBruce [~textual@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 14:18:03 cdidd [~cdidd@37-145-145-123.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 14:18:57 how can i use format to indent multiple lines: (format t "~&~vT~<~a~>~%" indent task) task here produces a multiline string, and i want both lines to be indented, not just the first one 14:19:54 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 14:20:15 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 14:30:00 leoncamel [~user@124.126.209.86] has joined #lisp 14:30:17 am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 14:30:36 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:59 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483AD90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:34:53 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:35:06 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:43 Kvaks_ [~kvaks@219.128.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 14:38:56 -!- am0c_ is now known as am0c 14:39:07 eMBee: you want the logical-block primitives 14:40:14 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@131.128.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:34 SrPx [b1624343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.98.67.67] has joined #lisp 14:43:41 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: klltkr] 14:44:08 I know that in contrast to Scheme, CL is huge. But is there an overview of Common Lisp's features? 14:45:43 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 14:45:51 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 14:52:26 Krystof: ah yes ~ looks promising, thanks 14:53:31 ivan-kanis [~user@50.32.201.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:54:26 SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has joined #lisp 14:58:36 SrPx: can't recall now, there were some good summaries 15:02:33 sabra [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 15:04:50 Is there any way to eliminate the need of #' ? ;s 15:05:55 code walkers implementing lisp1? ;P 15:08:53 klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 15:09:32 p_l: ? 15:09:37 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:09:59 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:11:32 chitofan [dcff02a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.255.2.165] has joined #lisp 15:15:28 ugh: do i really need to do this: (format t (concatenate 'string "~<" (format nil "~vT" indent) "~@;~a~:>~%") (list task)) to get a variable prefix? the prefix part of ~ doesn't allow control characters, or am i missing something? 15:18:51 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002a1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:19:13 -!- clariprincess [~princesit@200.84.67.68] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:12 -!- klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: klltkr] 15:28:26 isak [~isak@h87-241-95-252.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 15:29:03 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 15:34:18 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:38:06 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:40:37 -!- zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@218.74.36.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:48:14 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:48:33 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:54 daniel [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 15:55:24 -!- daniel is now known as danielmg 15:57:39 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 16:00:13 -!- danielmg [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 16:00:14 jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:01:51 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:08:57 Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:10:58 -!- SsvRrwQ [~user@24.68.50.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:51 Guest99353 [~user@24.68.50.61] has joined #lisp 16:14:23 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 16:17:37 fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDEF12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:20:00 rh_ [~anand@14.96.90.184] has joined #lisp 16:20:24 eMBee: well, you're missing that it might be better to use pprint-logical-block directly 16:20:28 rather than format 16:23:30 -!- rh_ [~anand@14.96.90.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:33 *maxm* had fought a battle with pretty printer for like a day, for one glorious moment it was all clear in my head, the beauty of the complicated clockwork design, and I wrestled it to do what I wanted it to do 16:23:55 but then after in-use its as much mystery to me how pretty printer works, as it was before that incident 16:25:14 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.245.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:26:17 -!- mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:18 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133630 <- may be of use 16:26:31 pretty prints thing with a arbitrary prefix 16:29:46 billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-140-74.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:46 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-68-237-140-74.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:29:46 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 16:29:49 actually it pprints a list of (: ), in such a way, that wraps around indented (ie where it started), with pretty printing.. 16:30:14 so list of properties and values is neatly formatted in two columns 16:31:19 -!- chitofan [dcff02a5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.220.255.2.165] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:45 Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@ip68-107-237-136.om.om.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:45 -!- Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@ip68-107-237-136.om.om.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:31:45 Bird|lappy [~Bird|ub3r@unaffiliated/htt-bird] has joined #lisp 16:34:54 Joreji_ [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:37:06 -!- jewel [~jewel@105-236-210-224.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:41:30 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@50.32.201.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:42:28 does anyone know how to use the modulo operator with parenscript? I thought it would be as easy as (mod number divisor), but I was mistaken.... (% number divisor) isn't working either 16:46:25 Krystof: worth considering, maxm: that's an interesting example, thank you! 16:48:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:50:47 hm, apparently I didn't try (ps:%) which suggested I use ps:rem 16:51:58 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:19 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:52:36 doomlord [~doomlod@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:56:59 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:05 joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 16:57:11 xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 16:58:10 -!- joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:16 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:26 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:32 joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 17:02:08 -!- joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:13 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 17:03:13 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:18 joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:58 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:59 -!- joekarma_ [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:11 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 17:05:33 xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-38-111.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 17:06:05 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:27 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 17:07:14 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.151.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:07:49 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 17:16:36 -!- leoncamel [~user@124.126.209.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:58 ikki [~ikki@189.247.245.154] has joined #lisp 17:19:45 indeed http://paste.lisp.org/display/133630#1 looks much better, but why do i need that (terpri) at the end? without that indent gets applied to many times 17:19:55 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-24-162-13.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:19:55 -!- chebastian [~chebastia@c-d875e255.015-51-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22:50 leoncamel [~user@124.126.209.86] has joined #lisp 17:22:57 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:47 bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 17:26:10 chebastian [~chebastia@c-d875e255.015-51-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:28:21 zenbalrog [~johnnyc@adsl-98-86-13-194.tys.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 17:30:39 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30:59 kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:46 Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:33:30 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:31 what's the reverse of cons ? 17:37:40 what? 17:40:54 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42:47 wbooze pros 17:43:48 wbooze on a more serious note, append 17:47:43 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:24 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 17:50:11 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:20 or maybe destructuring-bind 17:50:32 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:50:33 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:52:15 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:49 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:54:05 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 17:54:30 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:27 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Words don't come easy.] 17:58:12 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002a1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 18:00:09 danishman [~kvirc@62.243.156.218] has joined #lisp 18:12:18 -!- bsamograd [~user@108.181.149.36] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:50 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 18:17:01 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:18:37 two- [~1@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:23 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 18:20:40 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:59 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:04 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:42 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 18:22:12 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 18:22:15 qptain_Nemo [~qN@89.207.216.208] has joined #lisp 18:24:11 -!- ivenkys [~ivenkys@gateway/tor-sasl/ivenkys] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:30 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:43 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 18:24:43 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:52 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:53 -!- SrPx [b1624343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.98.67.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:36 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:41 ivenkys [~ivenkys@gateway/tor-sasl/ivenkys] has joined #lisp 18:35:44 Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has joined #lisp 18:36:08 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.245.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:36:10 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:37:32 _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has joined #lisp 18:38:08 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:03 gkeith_glaptop_ [~gkeith@c-24-218-16-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:02 -!- xcombelle [~xcombelle@AToulouse-551-1-38-111.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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Is it fast? As compared to coffeescript and clojurescript? 19:01:13 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:01:27 zbigniew [~zb@3e8.org] has joined #lisp 19:02:50 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 19:04:02 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:04 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Words don't come easy.] 19:04:14 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:07:26 parenscript is a relatively thin layer over javascript so it probably is not all that much slower or faster 19:07:36 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:07:43 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 19:08:06 francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has joined #lisp 19:08:12 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:48 I could be wrong, but I believe the lispy code writing style would be more relevant aspect to watch when measuring performance 19:09:25 you can always check the generated javascript, it's not all that different from original parenscript code 19:10:35 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 19:12:09 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 19:12:16 sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:13:46 -!- sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 19:13:59 sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:14:00 -!- sodel [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:14:27 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 19:18:22 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:20:05 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:21:56 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 19:24:04 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 19:25:36 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:26 SrPx: Parenscript is very close to javascript, and as such doesn't have any real performance impact. Coffeescript is pretty close, so the resulting code is similar. ClojureScript is rather different so it's performance fluctuates wildly 19:27:38 Joreji [~thomas@66-102.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 19:30:14 -!- gkeith_glaptop_ [~gkeith@c-24-218-16-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:36:09 p_l: I'm having trouble making parenscript work 19:36:37 p_l: it has 84984890 dependencies and I'm figuring out how to install one by one with quicklisp.. is this how it is done ? 19:37:04 nope 19:37:11 just do (ql:quickload 'parenscript) 19:37:42 if you want an old version instead of the current one (some incompatible changes in library) there's parenscript-classic 19:38:21 ASDF will automatically request missing systems, and Quicklisp "registers" as a "provider" of those, so it will download missing ones 19:38:30 Oh thank god. The tutorial is a bit misleading then 19:39:14 the tutorial predates quicklisp 19:41:37 bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:42:22 codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.18.51.mtnl.net.in] has joined #lisp 19:42:26 p_l: It's not working very well ? http://o7.no/VRfQwG the tutorial is http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/ 19:42:37 Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 19:42:40 p_l: are you aware of a simpler tutorial on it? 19:42:46 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43:36 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:38 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.59.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:44 -!- segv_ [~mb@dslb-094-223-004-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: segv_] 19:48:49 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:49:15 -!- bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:08 bitonic [~user@93-40-92-227.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 19:52:09 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:32 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:53:39 -!- sabra [~wol@67.174.222.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:54:28 add^_^ [~add^_@m37-3-4-11.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 19:54:53 -!- codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.18.51.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:55:28 francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has joined #lisp 19:55:31 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:55:53 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:26 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m37-2-163-245.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:56:26 -!- add^_^ is now known as add^_ 19:57:29 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-203-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 19:57:35 p_l: it indeed appears that in ecl (format t ... is different from (format *terminal-io* ... which seems like a bug 20:01:39 codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.18.51.mtnl.net.in] has joined #lisp 20:02:45 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:06:16 sigh I can't use it 20:08:30 The tutorial is horrible. Please someone ? 20:09:12 What do I do? I have done (ql:quickload 'parenscript), (defpackage "TEST" (:uses "PARENSCRIPT")) (in-package "TEST") (PS (+ 1 2)) 20:09:20 It says PS is not defined. 20:10:07 SrPx: don't write it all in single line? 20:10:15 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:10:16 not in a single line 20:10:32 Oh sigh. It worked. 20:10:37 ah 20:10:58 I can try for hours. It will work as soon as I disturb the channel and look stupid. 20:11:00 sorry 20:11:14 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:11:15 odd question coming up - when do you know you _grok_ lisp ? 20:11:25 -!- sunwukong [~vukung@78.139.3.238] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:11:37 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has joined #lisp 20:11:42 SrPx: try rubber ducky? 20:12:15 ivenkys, what kind of answer would be satisfactory? 20:12:41 shwouchk [~shwouchk@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has joined #lisp 20:12:45 hellp 20:12:46 i have programmed in Python, Java and C++ and CL - and i still dont find myself _thinking_ in Lisp - i dont know why ? and its frustrating 20:12:48 hello* 20:13:16 ivenkys: well, you programmed in Algol and CL, CL is first really different language then 20:13:28 it gets easier after first one that doesn't fit the mold, really 20:14:09 p_l: hmm - thats a good point - is there any book, tutorial that you would recommend for it 20:14:19 ivenkys: have you tried Practical Common Lisp? 20:15:06 p_l: i am currently going through it - 20:15:22 Would PAIP be considered a good recommendation for this purpose? 20:15:35 p_l: I don't often have problems with coding but I have installationfobia 20:15:40 Euthy: I don't think so 20:15:52 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-53-185.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:55 p_l: why not ? = 20:15:55 SrPx: well, Quicklisp solves most of that 20:16:05 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.56.100] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:16:13 p_l: uh huh. 20:16:23 I want to create something akin a python generator: a function or something similar that would look like a list from the outside (I want to load a large file lazily, so that each time I take the next item off the list, I get the processed version of the next line). Tips on the best way for going about it? 20:16:35 ivenkys: well... PAIP is both older work, and less about language than using it in rather higher-level way concentrated around things taht were useful for symbolic AI approach 20:17:33 p_l: hmm - i hear that it has some really good examples - ( of course its Peter Norvig ) 20:17:48 shwouchk, i did some generator stuff 20:17:54 ivenkys: that it does. I'm just not sure if it's good choice for a new person 20:18:08 p_l: ok 20:18:21 p_l: What if one isn't new to lisp in general? 20:18:26 shwouchk, the most complete way is to use continuations, but that is heavy. usually you can convert your problem into an efficient generator via a closure 20:18:34 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.151.217] has joined #lisp 20:19:18 shwouchk, i create many generators here, and some functions to operate on generators in general: https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/src/8311589a8a7010136e62b51839adccab8407c0c6/generators.lisp?at=default 20:19:20 hlaaagh hlaaagh hlaaaagh..... 20:19:39 linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:19:40 Quadrescence, thanks 20:19:42 shwouchk, as well as methods to create old generators from new ones 20:20:11 hello wbooze :) 20:20:15 Euthy: well... PAIP is good, but PCL has more information about language itself and some of the features 20:20:20 hullooo 20:20:45 pnpuff, a couple days ago you asked for dependency code. What do you want to do? 20:20:56 p_l: Alright. Thanks. 20:21:10 can't get my head around converting normal-recursion -> tail-recursion->iterative-one.....really.... 20:21:24 and i'm fed up with stack stuff! 20:21:40 wbooze, not all recursion can be converted 20:21:48 which ones can't ? 20:22:04 Quadrescence, many constructions there I'm not yet familiar with... got a lot to learn... thanks! 20:22:10 urandom__ [~user@p548A1ABD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:32 shwouchk, are you familiar with closures? 20:23:04 I think I am, though not in lisp 20:23:18 shwouchk, well python has broken closures 20:24:01 found these ones, they explain it in another language tho .... http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ericlippert/archive/tags/recursion/rarefied+heights/default.aspx 20:24:17 shwouchk, so, to target your question more directly, do you think if we made a generator that iterates through a list and returns the squares of each number in the list would be close to answering your question? 20:24:58 shwouchk, for example, (squares-generator (list 1 2 3 4 5)) would make a generator, so that when you call it, it returns 1, then 4, then 9, ...? 20:26:05 wbooze, maybe F# (which is a ML dialect)? 20:26:06 Quadrescence, probably, and if it takes 0 effort for you I would like to see it. If more effort is required then I will read about it :) 20:26:14 shwouchk, it is really easy 20:26:17 what's broken about python closures? 20:26:34 Bike, you have to make a mutable array/whatever to hold the state 20:27:02 so it doesn't have closures? 20:27:07 not really 20:27:11 ouch. 20:27:25 So parenscript is theorically a Lisp-1? 20:27:30 it's like PHP closures? 20:27:41 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:22 shwouchk: (defun list->generator (list) (lambda () (prog1 (first list) (setf list (rest list))))) is a really basic one. 20:28:23 and my problem is not only to bring the relevant args into tail position, but also the problem to decide when i need an accumulator to hold the temp-results and how to store them etc.... 20:28:25 I thought that python did have working closures, but the lack of a separate syntax for declaring and assigning to a variable made them cumbersome to use 20:28:49 p_l: i am going to try and complete PCL and see if that helps - thanks for that 20:29:04 bleh, the accumulate function is a good example for it tho...... 20:29:13 joshe, well you can do: x = [0] : def foo: ... : foo, and then your state is x[0] 20:29:28 it involves, argument order, consing etc..... 20:29:40 right, that's what I was getting at with "cumbersome" 20:30:00 ivenkys: Do you force yourself to implement everything in a lispy way? 20:30:04 wbooze: example of a recursive function that isn't tail recursive is the obvious implementation of fibonacci. 20:30:24 yes, that's only dealing with numbers tho.... 20:30:32 Euthy: no not really - i am mostly trying to get into the habit of _thinking_ in lisp 20:30:48 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 20:31:14 Euthy: or at least thinking functionally - and i am not really succeeding with it 20:31:17 wbooze: what on earth do numbers have to do with the structure of the function? 20:31:24 shwouchk, do you understand this bit of code? : http://paste.lisp.org/display/133636 20:31:54 Euthy: i am not sure what it takes to become good at it - 20:32:08 ivenkys: Well, forcing myself to only use recursion did make me start thinking in terms of recursion, as a side-effect. 20:32:53 did you try (defun accumulate (op init seq) (loop for item in seq do (setf init (funcall op init item)) finally (return init))) both with (accumulate #'cons nil (list 1 2 3 4 5)) and with (accumulate #'+ 0 (list 1 2 3 4 5)) ? 20:33:16 qsun, of course 20:33:18 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 20:33:24 Quadrescence, of course 20:33:36 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:52 wbooze: sure? it does exactly what I'd expect it to. 20:34:15 shwouchk, now let's wrap that into a function: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133636#1 20:34:34 Quadrescence, this is kinda what I'm doing. I just thought maybe there was some way that I could get an object that I can do 'car' 'cdr', etc to 20:34:51 Euthy: i hear you - the problem is also that i program in Algol languages for a living - 20:34:55 making a closure that can receive messages? 20:35:37 it works for me like foldl not like foldr unless i change the (op init seq) to (op seq init) and trying (let ((seq init) (init seq)) worked only in the last session, now it complains about 0 being not a list in one case ..... 20:35:54 (defun kons (kar kdr) (lambda (msg) (ecase msg ((car) kar) ((cdr) kdr)))) 20:35:59 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:36:07 shwouchk, so all this does is just make something that will lazily compute the "next" item 20:36:14 wbooze: well, yes, you wrote foldl. why would it be foldr. 20:36:28 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:46 i tried to bring the foldr into tail-recursive form......that was all 20:37:03 and it gave me foldl 20:37:23 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:37:45 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:19 shwouchk, are you saying you'd want to be able to do (cadr g) to get, for example, 4? 20:38:26 but lazily? 20:39:35 Quadrescence, yes 20:40:21 shwouchk, okay, so this isn't really a generator you want (unless you want to restrict yourself to just car/cdr). If you want lazy evaluation more generally, there's more buzywork involved 20:40:28 Quadrescence, I'm actually willing to assume a simpler structure, queue-like 20:40:59 ivenkys: Maybe learning Haskell could help in some regard. Or working through the Qi/Shen book: http://www.lambdassociates.org/Book/contents.htm - But maybe these will just be distractions, I don't know. 20:42:03 Euthy: Haskell - meaning to - it does scare me though ... - Let me take a look at that book though - thanks appreciate it 20:42:04 why does everybody try to use lisp as a functional language? Lisp is an imperative language. 20:42:16 jcowan [John@70.44.231.3.res-cmts.bus.ptd.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:20 shwouchk, you will only be able to do car/cdr on cons objects. But we can emulate car/cdr if we want to 20:42:35 When does it make sense to use *features* rather than #+ and #- conditionalization? 20:42:39 Quadrescence, with macro? 20:42:53 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:01 jcowan: they're not really the same 20:43:39 No, *features* can be used at run time. My question is, when does it make sense to enquire about features at run time? 20:44:43 shwouchk, i wouldn't use macros. Maybe we need a more accurate description of what you want to achieve :) 20:45:02 jcowan, runtime debugging? i've used features with :debug added to have runtime logging and whatever 20:46:05 Ffft, I should have known it would be about debugging. But outside of that (as Groucho said, "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read"), what is it useful for? 20:46:23 s/Ffft/Pfft 20:46:57 jcowan, the other place i've used it is when features are added at runtime, for example, hardware was added to a machine, giving the system a certain capability 20:47:28 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:53 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:55 dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:48:34 -!- dralston [~dralston@S0106687f74a12729.va.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 20:50:13 Quadrescence, for a start and from a practical point, I would like to do something like what you posted, but with a file instead of that list. The moment my outer function exits though, the file stream is closed... workaround? 20:50:50 shwouchk, keep the stream open using the lisp function OPEN? instead of using the WITH-OPEN-* functions 20:50:56 macros* 20:50:57 -!- codeknitty [~AndChat29@triband-mum-120.60.18.51.mtnl.net.in] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:51:24 shwouchk, let me make an example 20:51:25 Quadrescence, and then I need to keep track and eventually close it, right? 20:52:09 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:26 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:53:12 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:53:32 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:36 shwouchk, http://paste.lisp.org/display/133639 20:58:21 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d002a1d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:58:50 So a doubt, can I use most of Common Lisp's libraries on Parenscript? 20:59:27 <_tca> no 21:00:01 Quadrescence, thanks 21:00:11 shwouchk, how close does that relate to your problem? 21:00:16 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:00:42 Quadrescence, I solved my problem 21:00:58 Quadrescence, thanks to you :) 21:01:20 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 21:01:37 -!- danishman [~kvirc@62.243.156.218] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:01:55 Quadrescence, is there a better function than 'describe' for docs? some of my trouble after you said to use open was not realizing that open has a different signature than with-open-file 21:02:13 shwouchk, do you just want the doc string? 21:02:37 shwouchk, (documentation 'open 'function) 21:02:47 Quadrescence, thanks 21:03:48 Quadrescence, that actually gives nil 21:03:58 shwouchk, which lisp? 21:04:34 Quadrescence, clisp inside emacs/slime 21:04:37 bxx [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 21:04:54 shwouchk, hm, I get documentation using SBCL. I guess hyperspec is your friend. 21:05:03 Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:12 Quadrescence, thanks 21:07:49 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:08:16 -!- setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.168] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:41 setmeaway [setmeaway3@119.201.52.168] has joined #lisp 21:08:44 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 21:10:18 -!- mrm [~user@89.189.142.249.dynamic.ufanet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:16 shwouchk, using the link earlier, I made a new type of generator called FILE-LINES that lets you operate on the lines of a file: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133639#1 21:11:41 (collect g) is like [x for x in g] in python (i think) 21:11:57 or maybe list(g) works in python too 21:13:53 _tca: no? Some at least? 21:14:13 _tca: for example if I get a common lisp macro it probably won't work for parenscript then? 21:14:52 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 21:17:06 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p4FCDEF12.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:17:18 yena_ [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:18:57 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 21:19:29 -!- yena [~yena@akasha.ayai.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:19:29 -!- yena_ is now known as yena 21:20:29 -!- Adeon\SIGSEGV is now known as Adeon 21:23:30 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@89-92-204-200.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:20 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:25:05 -!- linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 21:27:04 mrSpec [~Spec@77-253-9-229.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #lisp 21:27:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@77-253-9-229.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Changing host] 21:27:05 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:28:21 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28:42 -!- Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:29 SrPx_ [b1624343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.98.67.67] has joined #lisp 21:29:53 -!- SrPx [b1624343@gateway/web/freenode/ip.177.98.67.67] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:30:02 -!- SrPx_ is now known as SrPx 21:32:57 kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:57 -!- yena [~yena@cpe-72-177-30-155.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: yena] 21:37:07 using clike on the terminal, then typing (ql:quickload "PARENSCRIPT") works. But typing that in a file and running it with "clike " says there is no package named ql. Any idea? 21:38:29 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:39:00 put a (load "quicklisp.lisp") or some such at the beginning of that file 21:39:06 kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:19 or a (load "quicklisp/setup.lisp") 21:39:29 relative to the quicklisp directory 21:39:37 -!- Guest99353 is now known as ssvrrwq 21:40:12 wbooze: sire, thanks ! 21:40:18 doomlord_ [~doomlord@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:40:52 Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:28 cliki.net resolving? 21:44:01 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:44:21 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 21:44:38 (Load "~/quicklisp/setup") will usually work 21:44:50 walter|r [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:45:47 but is this the right way ? 21:45:56 loading quicklisp then the library I want (parenscript) 21:49:00 because it is taking some time to start, I wonder if it is installing it all again? 21:49:52 lucky__ [~lucky@cri75-4-78-192-205-120.fbxo.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:53 Hi 21:50:13 load quicklisp.lisp and then follow instructions 21:50:30 I want to learn artificial intelligence with lisp 21:50:34 is it possible ? 21:50:37 no, it won't install all again, when it's already installed..... 21:50:58 I mean do you know a book about ? 21:51:06 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@75.82.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:51:18 paip and aima 21:52:22 SrPx see http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 21:52:31 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:13 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:31 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:41 is there a function in lisp which search in a list the number which is an argument of the function and give if the number exist what it's its index ? 21:56:01 exist in the list* 21:56:03 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:56:09 -!- _d3f [~freedo@46.183.216.234] has quit [Quit: ~ The Gnu moved back to savannah ~] 21:56:14 SrPx you're suppose to install quicklisp, not load it manually in every .lisp file 21:56:34 -!- leoncamel [~user@124.126.209.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56:43 kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:45 position ? 21:56:50 kennyd: so I won't put (Load "~/quicklisp/setup") in the file ? 21:56:55 yes the position 21:57:11 shouldn't* 21:58:59 SrPx no. quicklisp will put similar line into your lisp's config file when you install it 21:59:25 (init file) 21:59:27 kennyd: but it didn't 21:59:55 did you follow instructions after loading quicklisp.lisp ? 22:00:49 jasb [~jasb@109.227.34.166] has joined #lisp 22:03:05 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 22:03:40 kennyd: yes! Then when I do "clisp myfile" it won't have parenscript loaded. using defpackage with ':use "PARENSCRIPT"' won't work. quicklisp is also not enabled even if it is on the .clisprc.lisp file. So I have to (load) quicklisp, then (ql:quickload "PARENSCRIPT") and only then parenscript's functions are available 22:03:50 kennyd: I'm asking if this is fine, or if there's another way 22:05:02 I believe you are not suppose to load it manually 22:05:20 Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.140] has joined #lisp 22:05:20 -!- Slivka [~Slivka@31.40.53.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:49 linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:58 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 22:08:28 in here quicklisp is loaded automatically 22:10:13 you have to install it the first time only 22:10:38 I've put nonsense to .clisprc.lisp and my file still compiles fine with "clisp myfile" 22:10:44 So I guess .clisprc.lisp is being ignored 22:11:26 via (quicklisp-quickstart:install) 22:11:59 I've done that wbooze but then "ql" is not defined 22:12:05 When I load a file with "clisp file" 22:12:09 SrPx what OS? 22:12:12 OSX 22:13:51 have you read http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/#installation 22:14:15 if so, adapt your file the same way..... 22:14:52 ql:add-to-init-file 22:15:00 -!- Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:18 Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:40 now yours is not a init file of the lisp in question, rather some other file not ? 22:15:41 Yes, I have done what's there 22:15:54 pardon ? 22:16:30 you are trying to load it for scripting ? 22:16:47 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.237] has joined #lisp 22:17:01 or are you trying to get your init file set up ? 22:17:28 IIRC some flags prevent .clisprc from being loaded 22:18:22 walter|r_ [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:27 SrPx: so init file - .clisprc.lisp - looks like this: http://paste.ideaslabs.com/show/ifYhGTH2WR , right? 22:19:38 pnpuff: almost... I'm just trying to make this work: (ql:quickload "PARENSCRIPT") (print (PS (+ 1 2))) That's all. I saved this as "test.cl" and am running "clike test.cl". I have http://o7.no/ZliKZv as my ~/.clisprc.lisp 22:19:47 is this really what I am supposed to do ? 22:20:21 ok! 22:20:27 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@208.185.18.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:20:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-173-130.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:20:52 ( answering wbooze ) 22:21:55 -!- walter|r [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22:58 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@67-5-194-70.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:47 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:25:13 i don't use clisp tho, i would say look at what clisp tells you about loading files 22:25:26 easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 22:26:08 mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has joined #lisp 22:27:16 I think that kind of syntax works in emacs (to say) , but not sure if works in a script... 22:28:37 use -lp too maybe 22:28:55 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 22:29:01 Srpx can you post your entire filr that tries to use PS 22:29:09 file 22:32:42 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 22:34:04 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Words don't come easy.] 22:37:22 -!- doomlord_ [~doomlord@host109-151-246-226.range109-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:50 That was is the entire file... at the moment I'm using http://pastebin.com/UuSs7XAt as without the first line it won't work. jasb 22:38:03 wbooze: what are you using ? 22:40:47 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.151.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:42:06 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:43:14 -!- jenia [~jenia@modemcable028.115-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:44:57 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:44 -!- jasb [~jasb@109.227.34.166] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 22:50:14 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@ABordeaux-651-1-55-25.w109-223.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:52:53 jasb [~jasb@109.227.34.166] has joined #lisp 22:55:32 -!- agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:56:36 klltkr_ [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:56:36 -!- klltkr_ [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:56:53 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176441792.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:57:09 -!- linse [~marioooh@cpe-74-64-60-131.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 22:58:20 TheAscender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 22:58:58 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442486.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 22:59:26 -!- TheAscender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:59:26 -!- Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:03:11 SrPx you are right, if I type clisp foo.lisp I get that same error (ql package not existing). If I type clisp -i file it works, but it drops to repl afterwards 23:03:21 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-169.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:39 -!- kmels__ [~kmels@p5B13F4F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:04:41 klltkr [~klltkr@host81-156-69-168.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:35 SrPx: note however that this is not how most people use lisp. most build programs interactively in an environment like slime, and if they want to distribute it they create an image file or executable 23:06:51 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:07:26 the problem is I'm used to VIM 23:08:19 there is a similar environment for VIM called SLIMV 23:08:50 not as polished but worth a try 23:09:19 i'll look thanks 23:09:22 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:31 as far ad your errors go someone who uses clisp regularly should be able to help you more than me 23:13:10 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-65-101.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:12 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:14:26 Ascender [~Ascender@d137-186-202-157.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:43 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 23:24:11 SrPx for now you can just do clisp -i file.lisp. that works for me, and it jumps to repl after loading the file. and if you want to create executable you can do something like this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133646 23:25:05 loading that file should create ptest executable 23:30:35 -!- bxx [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 23:40:46 GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:51 i'm using sbcl most of the time and some cmucl sometimes too, otherwise clisp ofc, but i never come to use it .... 23:45:09 -!- Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:13 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:45:30 Jasko [~Jasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:46:54 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:24 -!- isak [~isak@h87-241-95-252.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [] 23:51:55 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 23:53:57 -!- jcowan [John@70.44.231.3.res-cmts.bus.ptd.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:43 -!- easy-iPad [~easyipad@chello080109062130.15.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Outta here?] 23:56:58 superflit_ [~superflit@75-171-203-134.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:57:26 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 23:58:27 -!- walter|r_ [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:26 walter|r [~walter_r@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-101-243.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:59:55 -!- superflit [~superflit@75-171-197-44.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59:55 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 23:59:58 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-015-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving]