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Would anyone happen to know if there's a lisp execve available in SBCL? I can't seem to find one in SB-POSIX, or elsewhere in Apropos, not sure if it may be a goose chase perhaps 02:14:47 <|3b|> sb-ext:run-program ? 02:15:14 <|3b|> ah, not quite i guess 02:15:26 |3b|: I was looking for something a little more low-level, yeah :) 02:16:12 So but does Slime source integration work well with SBCL on window 02:16:13 gimbal: sb-ext:run-program does compile to execve, depending on options. 02:16:17 Windows I mean 02:16:33 Xach: ah, ok. Thx 02:17:31 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:18:14 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 02:18:16 I guess slime source location is kinda platform agnostic, looking at the SLIME Features page at the CLiki 02:18:44 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:24 I think it should go to where it's defined on your system, so if there's a #-win32 versus #+win32 thing somewhere you'll probably see just the latter? 02:21:14 Bike: Yeah, I think so. I'd honestly forgot it's at least partly based on logical pathname translations 02:22:00 ...and magical source location details typically provided by the implementation, under some optimization settings, iirc 02:22:54 magical in some sense of implementation-specific and porting-work magic, I suppose :) 02:24:02 *gimbal* doesn't mean to sound like an ass when trying to make a joke 02:24:18 Apologies! 02:25:15 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:25:24 Well thx, will take a look at the code 02:25:32 -!- gimbal [~gimbal@mo-76-0-6-41.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Rooms  iPhone IRC Client  http://www.roomsapp.mobi] 02:38:06 Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:41:08 Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.232.180] has joined #lisp 02:45:17 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:53 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.254.178] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 02:48:41 ccorn_ [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 02:50:29 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:52:49 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:53:45 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:56:24 dnolen [~user@cpe-74-64-61-245.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:56:49 davyzhu [~user@114.91.115.147] has joined #lisp 02:57:53 Hi, each time I open Emacs, the .lisp file buffer ask me "The local variables list in abc.lisp contains values that may not be safe(*). Do you want to apply it?" 02:58:38 What's "apply it" mean? Apply to emacs? 02:59:42 57.3.4 in the emacs manual 03:00:14 normanrichards [~normanric@70.114.215.220] has joined #lisp 03:01:58 Bike: I searched info emacs for 57, and found nothing? 03:02:25 search "local variables in files", then. 03:05:53 fiveop_ [~fiveop@p4FCDFEA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:08:03 Bike: thank you 03:08:47 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DC11A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:10:19 -!- p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:10:45 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:01 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 03:15:06 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:15:31 -!- davyzhu [~user@114.91.115.147] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:29 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Client Quit] 03:18:01 nooy` [1000@h-73-92.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 03:19:12 -!- nooy [1000@h-73-92.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:25 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:24:32 -!- Kvakz is now known as Kvaks 03:26:47 ether0 [~ether0@72.22.83.65] has joined #lisp 03:28:31 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:51 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 03:30:06 -!- booguie [~booguie@ip68-101-218-78.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:32:48 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-96-241-84-33.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:35:27 -!- Kvaks is now known as Kvakz 03:38:15 teggi [~teggi@113.172.53.119] has joined #lisp 03:40:38 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 03:40:59 Gmind1 [~Deulamco@113.190.232.180] has joined #lisp 03:41:43 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.240.221.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:41:46 -!- Kvakz is now known as Kvaks 03:41:50 -!- Gmind1 [~Deulamco@113.190.232.180] has left #lisp 03:42:07 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 03:44:56 -!- Gmind [~Deulamco@113.190.232.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:45:50 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:48:42 -!- Kvaks is now known as Kvakz 03:48:45 -!- Kvakz is now known as Kvaks 03:48:48 -!- Kvaks is now known as Kvakz 03:48:51 -!- Kvakz is now known as Kvaks 03:48:55 -!- Kvaks is now known as Kvakz 03:50:43 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 03:51:40 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Quit: Automatic restart triggered due to persistent lag. 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I'm trying to compile a Lisp file in SLIME; the file `require's another file. I can compile and load it just fine in the REPL, but C-c C-k seems to be unable to `require' the file, so loading fails. What do I need to do to have it actually load the `require'd file? (using SBCL) 05:29:10 Rakko: REQUIRE happens at runtime. 05:29:17 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 05:33:18 asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 05:35:16 cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-17-68.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 05:35:58 makes sense 05:36:24 how can I get the C-c C-k procedure to execute it? 05:36:30 -!- meiji11 [~user@S0106f8d111247e29.mh.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:01 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:38:16 I think I can use C-x C-e on that line, but I'd rather just load the whole file and all it's requires 05:40:12 Rakko: You could use eval-when. 05:41:03 rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has joined #lisp 05:49:36 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:50:59 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.199] has joined #lisp 05:51:57 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:02 oh! cool. thanks. 05:54:25 actually, I'm not really sure how require works yet. 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" 06:46:13 that rings a bell. it's a package? 06:46:39 asdf is something a bit like make. 06:46:48 that's the combination I put in my file; I thought I'd cover all the bases 06:47:06 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 06:49:32 ok. 06:50:03 basically what I want to do now is just compile and load files in SLIME, and have them pull in the dependencies 06:50:14 would I use asdf for that, or is that overkill? 06:51:01 well that's not how you make systems with asdf. if you want to do that just keep doing what you're doing, I think 06:52:17 ok 06:52:32 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:57:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.85] has joined #lisp 06:57:38 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.85] has quit [Changing host] 06:57:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 06:59:15 -!- billstclair [wws@clozure-EC471588.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 06:59:18 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.24.155] has joined #lisp 06:59:22 Tanami [~carnage@9ch.in] has joined #lisp 07:02:18 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 07:02:18 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 07:02:18 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:03:26 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:56 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 07:06:11 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:11:27 -!- tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.21.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:11:54 niels1 [~niels@p4FD6DBB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 07:12:33 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:14:31 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 07:17:11 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-203-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 07:19:03 ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 07:19:15 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:19:25 agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:41 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 07:25:50 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 07:28:24 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 07:29:24 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-190.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:32:36 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:33:47 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:39:54 -!- Tehnix [~Moto@server1.india-nightlife.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:41:58 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 07:47:11 mathrick_ [~mathrick@37.28.151.28] has joined #lisp 07:47:49 Tehnix [~Moto@server1.india-nightlife.com] has joined #lisp 07:48:18 It's too bad that the finalizer implementation in sbcl does a linear scan of a list of all registered finalizers. Does that happen on every gc, or just a full gc? 07:50:20 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.99.97] has joined #lisp 07:51:28 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-128-111.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:52:18 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 07:52:54 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 07:57:03 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c29ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:11 *moore33* looks at cffi:with-pointer-to-vector-data instead. 07:58:39 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 08:01:22 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:03:53 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:29 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 08:06:41 -!- ccorn_ [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn_] 08:08:34 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.237.73] has joined #lisp 08:11:09 ngz [~user@115.236.75.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 08:12:48 Ralt 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[~yakov@195.54.148.98] has joined #lisp 09:40:25 -!- yakov [~yakov@195.54.148.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:40 would be nice to have a means of dumping core without having to kill the world sighs .. 09:42:07 ams: "just" stop all your threads, fork, dump from the child. 09:43:29 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:45:10 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 09:45:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:45:29 yes .. 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10:12:06 or attachtty that can attach to a sbcl image that has detachtty implemented in lisp ... 10:13:32 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 10:13:46 even if there was such a thing, no more that 5% of it would probably be lisp 10:14:14 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has joined #lisp 10:14:14 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has quit [Client Quit] 10:14:44 well, alot of cffi and sb-posix stuff, but that would be fine 10:16:00 there's https://github.com/nikodemus/sb-daemon for inspiration. 10:17:02 i know .. 10:17:21 was hoping somsone might have something in their home directory 10:17:30 i can write it myself, but not to inclined. 10:18:01 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 10:18:07 you could write one, and then when the next person comes asking, we could say "ams has it in his home directory, too bad he's offline" 10:18:18 :-) 10:18:34 it's not funny 10:18:53 yes it is! 10:19:08 ok. i'm totally hooked, how am i going to work with another language now? 10:19:23 nan_: don't 10:20:06 H4ns: i wish, i have a codebase and a project to finish 10:20:28 nan_: write a translator. 10:20:52 but every new project i have control on, will be lisp for sure. 10:21:31 ams: translate how? 10:21:56 Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 10:22:00 nan_: to lisp 10:22:02 nan_: welcome to the world of lisp. here is you "world domination is imminent" badge for you to wear during the beginning few years of your journey 10:22:02 nan_: by parsing 10:22:42 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 10:23:04 -!- ameoba_ is now known as ameoba 10:23:29 ams: not translating but since it is c++, i can make c bindings and i remember a few common lisp compilers can access those 10:24:22 gensym [~tg@85.158.178.76] has joined #lisp 10:24:58 nan_: why not? 10:25:46 ams: it kind of scares me, did anyone do it before? converting a big codebase that way? 10:26:28 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has joined #lisp 10:27:03 nan_: you need to know that with lisp, everything is possible _and_ easy. usualy, things can be done more quickly than in any other language, and in almost no time. 10:31:01 H4ns: that is why i am hooked, yet i have some parts that needs to be stay in c/c++ land for now for many reasons. 10:31:12 needs to stay* 10:34:06 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 10:35:12 nan_: i was not being serious. 10:35:30 Looking for a hook in SLIME that I can use to invoke a formatting function on REPL results. 10:35:46 This would be implementation specific. 10:36:04 Should I look in the fancy REPL contrib? 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I'll ping Stas when I see him. Thanks. 10:47:18 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:52:31 -!- nan_ [~candodget@24.133.102.40] has left #lisp 10:55:27 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55:55 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:13 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 10:57:23 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has joined #lisp 11:00:25 swilde [~wilde@aktaia.intevation.org] has joined #lisp 11:02:20 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 11:02:55 nooy [1000@h-73-92.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 11:03:13 nan_ [~candodget@24.133.102.40] has joined #lisp 11:03:54 hi *, I observed bigger float rounding problems with sqrt() in various cl implementations (sbcl, ccl, clisp) than I expected. My example is: (sqrt 40972800) which yields 6401.0 which is wrong as the correct result is around 6400.999921887204 11:04:35 What strikes me by surprise, is that the glibc on an 32bit system yields 6400.999922, which is way better. 11:04:58 So why is the precision of all cl implementations (at least all I tested) so much worse? 11:05:03 swilde: have you tried (sqrt 40972800.0d0) 11:05:26 swilde: try to compare raw data of floats 11:05:35 jdz: Oh, good point! 11:07:17 Stupid me, I expected common lisp (with its arbitrary precision math in many cases) too choose a sensible float type automatically. 11:07:37 swilde: *read-default-float-format* 11:08:10 swilde: of course it will not help if you don't use a float 11:08:28 jdz: thanks for hinting that out (my input is integer though) 11:08:36 jdz: :) 11:08:44 swilde: and why do you think that double-float is more sensible than single-float? 11:08:55 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:09:06 swilde: you'll get errors, only later and harder to find 11:09:45 (that's one of reasons to default to single-float :) 11:09:55 i mean, a sensible reason 11:10:03 jdz: ok, what I really expected (my mistake) was arbitrary precision ;-) 11:10:33 swilde: arbitrary precision 1/3 you say? 11:10:34 jdz: but you are right, as the result is float, the default choice makes sense! 11:12:33 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:13:39 jdz: you are right float to double only delays some problems, not solve them. how i hate floating point... 11:13:46 swilde: here it is specified: file:///usr/share/doc/hyperspec/Body/12_acc.htm 11:13:50 oh, sorry 11:14:05 :) 11:14:19 swilde: l1sp.org/cl/12.1.3.3 11:15:07 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.254.177] has joined #lisp 11:15:23 -!- yrk` [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:15:36 jdz: thanks 11:17:06 jdz: and as I actually need floor(sqrt(n)) anyway it seems that isqrt is what I need... 11:17:13 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:17:45 -!- kanru` [~kanru@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:17:47 swilde: all the gems one can find in CLHS :) 11:18:33 jdz: yeah -- thanks for pointing me to another one! 11:19:00 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.11.224.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:21:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21:31 -!- ngz [~user@115.236.75.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:27:53 Daisy [Emhh@95.209.2.36.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 11:32:56 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 11:35:23 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-223-96.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:50 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:17 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 11:40:22 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.24.155] has joined #lisp 11:42:53 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 11:43:30 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:39 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 11:43:48 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.254.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:24 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 11:45:37 kindergip [~IceChat9@24-207-14-200.eastlink.ca] has joined #lisp 11:48:08 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Client Quit] 11:48:23 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 11:48:27 ok, who wrote detachtty .. 11:48:39 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:42 i think i found 10 bugs already. 11:50:49 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:51:50 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 11:52:02 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:52:09 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 11:54:27 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Client Quit] 11:54:46 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 11:58:55 -!- niels1 [~niels@p4FD6DBB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:47 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 11:59:54 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 12:01:05 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:14 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:19 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 12:04:14 -!- nan_ [~candodget@24.133.102.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:05:01 -!- Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 12:05:06 Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 12:05:58 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-230-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:34 ok. what lisp testing framework? 12:08:11 fredrik_1 [~fredrik@194.8.221.222] has joined #lisp 12:08:49 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-141.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 12:09:27 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:32 any recommendations? which one to avoid? use? 12:11:41 -!- Praise- [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 12:11:48 Praise [~Fat@unaffiliated/praise] has joined #lisp 12:11:54 ikki [~ikki@189.247.214.98] has joined #lisp 12:15:06 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 12:15:40 answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has joined #lisp 12:16:46 eternal cynicism of the lisper mind 12:17:28 H4ns: I like 5am. I've been thinking of trying https://github.com/rpav/CheckL next time i have the opportunity. 12:17:57 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-47-190.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:18:07 oh boy, today's gonna be interesting. Github's having issues again. 12:19:32 ah, the wonders of DVCS. 12:20:57 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:23:38 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-41-27.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:20 add^_ [~add^_@m83-185-138-70.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:24:34 bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:25:20 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 12:27:20 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:27:21 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:42 -!- fredrik_1 [~fredrik@194.8.221.222] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:06 thethomaseffect [~thethomas@109.255.215.132] has joined #lisp 12:30:12 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 12:31:23 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:50 niels1 [~niels@p4FD6DBB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:39:10 sykopomp: thanks, i'm going to look at those 12:40:26 how about an sql pretty printer written in cl, does such a thing exist? 12:42:24 LiamH [~none@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 12:42:59 bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 12:43:08 Hah! 12:43:15 I wished for that very thing yesterday. 12:43:33 so it is actually needed! 12:44:15 What would be the best way to get slime to do tab-complete with just plain tab? 12:44:20 -!- Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:45:22 mrcarrot: I have (define-key slime-mode-map (kbd "TAB") 'slime-indent-and-complete-symbol). 12:45:23 M-tab is annoying, as it interferes with the WM. Also, when using evil, esc-tab is annoying, as I am then accidentally dropping out from insert mode. 12:45:38 pkhuong: Thanks! 12:45:51 with C-c TAB for completion and S-TAB for indent. 12:47:32 Demosthenex [~Demosthen@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has joined #lisp 12:49:34 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:50:54 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:52:43 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 12:55:01 mrcarrot: your dislike of M- is is related to your interest in window managers. i use the windows key (and map the right control key to pretend to be a super key on keyboards that don't carry the key) for all my WM controlled commands. you may want to try that if/when you get hacking on stumpwm 12:55:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:55:54 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206160.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 12:58:33 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has joined #lisp 13:00:02 madnificent: Personally, I want as few keybinding collisions as possible, and at the same time smallest effort possible to work. This with tab-complete felt a bit ridiculous as the editor should know if I try to complete or indent (If a function is half written and you are in the middle of a line, then it is for sure an complete, if you are at the beginning of a fully written line, it is indention) 13:00:11 -!- Daisy [Emhh@95.209.2.36.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:48 Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.11.224.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 13:00:53 The line pkhuong gave did what I wanted. 13:01:09 Now I can both do indention and complete with the same key. 13:04:00 Stanislaw [~quassel@124-148-119-99.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 13:05:34 -!- LiamH [~none@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:06:54 -!- Stanislaw_ [~quassel@124-148-218-129.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:10:25 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 13:10:53 -!- niels1 [~niels@p4FD6DBB1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 13:14:54 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:52 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-45.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 13:16:52 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-45.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 13:16:52 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 13:17:06 ngz [~user@115.236.75.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:32 mrcarrot: i also have the "windows" key for WM only. thus meta key is free of conflicts for emacs. 13:22:55 jdz: mrcarrot was looking for something slightly differently, it seems. the topic of the conversation is having one key for both indentation and completion, not the meta-key being taken up by the window manager. 13:23:33 madnificent: no, it was that m-tab did not work for him because it was taken by WM 13:23:41 madnificent: i use that key for completion 13:24:19 nanoc [~conanhome@mail.openminds.com.ar] has joined #lisp 13:24:56 -!- Adeon is now known as Adeon\SIGSEGV 13:25:01 jdz: yes, that is true. that is what he said. but later it turned that his focus was not not being able to use M-, even though being able to use that key-combo would have been a solution for his problem. 13:25:33 madnificent: yes, with no effort spent on customization. 13:25:36 I should make a git repository for all my configurations :/ It starts to be quite a lot of stuff to add for each computer. 13:26:01 Is it possible to just copy the quicklisp folder between computers (accross different *nix) 13:26:02 mrcarrot: i have a better idea.. 13:26:18 mrcarrot: and no, you can't do that. 13:26:35 the fasl files are not portable across different lisps, targets, or whatever. 13:26:38 mrcarrot: yes, i think you can 13:26:42 ams: it doesn't contain the fasls 13:27:09 madnificent: yeah it does 13:27:15 $ find quicklisp |grep fasl |head -n1 13:27:15 quicklisp/quicklisp/client-update.fasl 13:27:47 ams: it doesn't in my setup. you must have something odd going on 13:27:54 not really. 13:28:16 also, i *think* sbcl discovers the fasls is wrong and recompiles it, but i'm not certain at all 13:28:35 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 13:28:37 mrcarrot: so, worst case scenario, don't copy the fasls 13:28:51 What are the fasls? 13:29:01 Compiled stuff? 13:29:06 mrcarrot: files which end with .fasl 13:29:09 it's indeed compiled stuff 13:29:22 mrcarrot: if you use something else than sbcl, the extension is likely going to be different. 13:29:31 i think clisp uses .fasl. 13:29:33 mrcarrot: however, they're likely stored in .cache/common-lisp/... these days 13:29:35 most lisps use fasl .. 13:30:03 ecl doesn't 13:30:16 but you may be right. i don't usually have to look at ti. 13:30:18 s/ti/it. 13:30:19 is that the one that spits out to java? 13:30:33 ams: no, it spits out C. the one that spits out java is abcl 13:30:34 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:44 ah 13:31:10 ams: you had a question about abcl recently, you hadn't noticed it used the jvm? 13:31:20 madnificent: i forget stuff quickly. 13:31:32 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.216] has joined #lisp 13:31:55 mrcarrot: try to copy it, it'll likely work. however, why do you want to copy the complete quicklisp? 13:32:13 ams: What was the better idea, than to put stuff in a git repository? 13:32:14 mrcarrot: i'd only copy my .sbclrc, .ccl-init and all that 13:32:29 mrcarrot: don't do special things 13:33:07 mrcarrot: my experience with configuration in git folders is that it's insufficient. i think i'd rather do rsync or something of the likes, something that automatically propagates. the earlier versions of Ubuntu One could keep some configuration files in sync by using couchdb IIRC, you may want to look into that. 13:33:28 mrcarrot: also, if you figure something out, /msg me. i'm interested what you'll find out. my efforts have been insufficient. 13:34:29 ams: Yes, it's fine to copy the directory. 13:34:36 mrcarrot, rather. 13:34:40 ams does not know what he is talking about. 13:34:45 I already have 4 computers at 4 different places. They should all have my latest changes to .emacs, to xmonad, sbcl etc etc. This becomes a bit of work to keep in sync. 13:35:09 Xach: huh? fasl won't work beteween arches 13:35:10 mrcarrot: I usually just copy quicklisp.lisp and reinstall it, though. 13:35:19 youd on't know what you are talking about Xach. 13:35:40 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:42 mrcarrot: i'd split the updating of the software from keeping the textual configuration files in sync. 13:35:48 ams: Under normal circumstances fasl files are not stored in ~/quicklisp. Only portable data and source files. 13:36:09 *madnificent* should be sure ams was joking 13:36:21 `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:32 Xach: these are normal circumstances, fasl files do end up in quicklisp. 13:36:55 ams: Yes, they will end up there if you C-c C-k in slime when visiting a Lisp file. 13:37:18 Xach: When visiting a Lisp file in the quicklisp folder? 13:37:20 There are few other circumstances. Certainly not enough to recommend against copying the directory around as needed. 13:37:28 Xach: Or in general, for any file? 13:37:35 Xach: sweetie, i didn't do C-c C-k on 72 files in my ~/quicklisp directory 13:37:46 ams: Then you have another unusual configuration situation. 13:37:58 Xach: well, sbcl is unusual in many ways, sure. 13:38:08 also see slime-compile-file-options and :fasl-directory 13:38:23 ams: I don't recommend giving people general advice based on your idiosyncratic configuration and preferences. 13:38:23 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:34 mrcarrot: If you're visiting something you M-.'d into, for example. 13:39:01 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:10 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 13:39:15 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:39:20 Anyway, I do not copy the directory around myself, I just reinstall from quicklisp.lisp when I move to another system, and let it fetch things on demand. But there is no general problem with copying it to another system as-is. 13:39:56 If you run into a problem, I'd love to hear about the circumstances. 13:40:01 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:40:18 Xach: i don't have any configurations here, fasl files end up in ~/quicklisp. no ~/.sbclrc, nor /etc/sbclrc, nothing, so get a grip. 13:40:24 -!- nooy [1000@h-73-92.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:44 ams: How about an ASDF configuration? 13:40:48 Xach: so maybe before you go on a silly war path, get some facts first. 13:40:50 Xach: none. 13:41:06 Xach: default schmefaults 13:41:21 ams: How did you get SBCL? 13:41:34 Xach: git 13:41:41 Xach: bootstrapped via clisp 13:41:42 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@46.233.237.73] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 13:41:52 Do you have a ~/.cache/common-lisp/ directory? 13:41:56 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:59 Xach: and no, i didn't frob clisp to propagade sillyness. 13:41:59 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-212-8.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 13:42:09 Xach: no 13:42:27 Then you are using a non-standard configuration of ASDF. How it got configured that way is something to figure out. 13:42:48 Xach: i'm not using any non-standard asdf; it is whatever was in sbcl. 13:42:52 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206160.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:42:53 I don't care except to the degree that you are giving bad advice based on it. 13:42:53 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 13:43:32 Xach: and you're propagating untruth; i am not using any non-standard sillyness, neither sbcl, nor asdf, so please stop rehashing the same old cruft please. 13:43:42 ASDF can be configured via many different mechanisms. I don't know if there's an easy way to find out which is in effect. 13:44:12 ams: you've encountered a problem/bug/unexpected behaviour. giving advice to not copy ~/quicklisp, you're telling people to avoid the problem, not fix it. 13:44:47 ams: especially if you're the only one having the problem. 13:44:51 ams: See http://l1sp.org/asdf/manual under "in absence of any configuration" 13:44:54 jdz: oh please, copying quicklisp is always a bad idea for various reason, this is one of them. 13:45:06 No, it isn't. 13:45:06 ams: please geve at least 3 more. 13:45:14 give even 13:45:15 i'm not having any problem; i don't copy ~/quicklisp, period. 13:45:34 Storing fasls along side sources is not a problem, but it's not a typical configuration, either. 13:45:34 ams: no, you're just being an asshole, that's all. 13:45:46 fuck it, as usual people are more interested in attacking instead of getting to the root cause of the actual issue. 13:45:52 haha 13:45:54 same old #lisp. 13:46:43 ams: Anyway, I suspect you have one of the 7 mechanisms listed in http://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html#Controlling-where-ASDF-saves-compiled-files in effect. 13:46:47 tensorpudding [~tensorpud@108.87.21.151] has joined #lisp 13:46:58 Xach: Well, i don't. 13:47:01 as i already mentioned. 13:47:11 ams: If you have no files in ~/.cache/common-lisp/ you do. 13:48:04 Xach: as i said, none of those envars are set, nor is there even another lisp installed on this host, please read a bit more carefully. 13:48:26 now i don't have time for this sillyness, specially from adorable people like jdz. 13:48:58 if you wanna dig, send me an email, and i can give you whatever data you want. 13:48:59 francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has joined #lisp 13:49:40 Not really. The other option is an ASDF bug, but I think that's pretty unlikely. It's just a case of stubbornness mixed with chattiness. 13:50:41 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:11 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:16 Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 13:53:16 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.152.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:27 bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 13:54:35 jewel [~jewel@105.237.24.33] has joined #lisp 13:54:45 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:19 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:02:39 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@mail.openminds.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 14:03:00 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:51 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:05:59 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:06:24 linse [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 14:09:38 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-203-9.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:11 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:11:17 -!- Cymew [~user@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:09 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 14:18:21 piplined [foobar@pool-71-167-115-243.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:46 Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 14:19:49 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:19:55 -!- piplined [foobar@pool-71-167-115-243.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:35 blbef [~chatzilla@089144206005.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:19 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:26:15 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:28:15 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:29:57 erann [~erann@83.Red-83-61-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:31:37 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:36 findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:36:47 sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has joined #lisp 14:37:48 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has joined #lisp 14:38:25 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:43:05 francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has joined #lisp 14:44:36 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:44:39 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:46:27 -!- prip_ [~foo@host232-121-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:47:58 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 14:51:38 ams: you may have system-wide configuration files in effect too. and they might be set by however you got clisp installed. 14:51:59 bitonic [~user@dyn900-245.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 14:52:21 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 14:52:30 H4ns: it seemed eos tried to fix the 'bad' things of five-am, and that five-am got back up to speed after that. therefore i'd assume 5am is a very safe bet. 14:52:49 madnificent: ok, thanks. i'm going to go with that. 14:55:21 the Eos maintainer went to the army, and should be 'back' in a few months. 14:55:53 felideon: was that adlai? 14:56:02 Yeah. 14:56:31 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-230-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:56:43 You know, the bad thing about Fare's 10-point program is that if all these libraries start consolidating, they will have some pretty boring names. :) 14:57:36 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 14:58:50 prip_ [~foo@host131-124-dynamic.56-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:05:14 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:05:15 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 15:05:27 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn900-245.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:28 madnificent: no, pelase learn to read. 15:05:33 seriously... 15:06:04 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.214.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:06:52 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-088-068-154-121.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07:15 brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:36 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 15:10:18 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.254.156] has joined #lisp 15:10:43 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 15:11:54 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12:43 -!- jewel [~jewel@105.237.24.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:13:11 That reminds me of the joke. A wife calls her husband: "Honey, I just heard on the radio, there's a guy driving the wrong way down the highway, be careful." "It's not just one! Every car I've seen today is going the wrong way!" 15:13:39 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:13:58 bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:14:33 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:32 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:17:08 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@37.28.151.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:17:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:17:47 antgreen [~user@dsl-173-206-206-68.tor.primus.ca] has joined #lisp 15:21:11 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:21:15 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn902-16.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:22:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:24:31 -!- linse [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 15:25:00 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:29 (HANDLER-BIND) doesn't accept T as type. Can I catch _all_ conditions easily? 15:25:39 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.53.119] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:58 Does it accept CONDITION as a type? 15:26:13 flip214: does not accept T as type? 15:26:20 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:26:22 flip214: are you sure about that? works fine and dandy for me. 15:26:56 Are you sure that you don't have the syntax confused with HANDLER-CASE? 15:27:11 (handler-bind ((t (lambda (c) (print c)))) (error "he")) 15:27:58 H4ns: it doesn't seem to catch CXML::END-OF-XSTREAM 15:29:04 (handler-bind ((t (lambda (c) (print c)))) (signal 'cxml::end-of-xstream)) 15:29:16 flip214: i think you have something else wrong. 15:29:31 flip214: maybe you should not deal with cxml::end-of-xstream in the first place. 15:29:38 bitonic [~user@dyn900-245.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 15:29:53 I don't want to deal with it ;P 15:31:25 An even more radical suggestion would be to not deal with XML in the first place. 15:31:44 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:31:56 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A422.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:17 Hmm, someone mentioned a Boston Lisp Meeting for november 21, but I don't see any announcement or other discussion of it. 15:33:03 I'd like to go, but Thanksgiving-eve could be tough. 15:33:17 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 15:33:37 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 15:34:58 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has joined #lisp 15:35:25 Oh, damn. I'm not even going to be in the right state. I'm supposed to be in Maine that night. 15:35:42 Me too! We can have a Maine Lisp Meeting! 15:36:05 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 15:36:08 Doubtful, but could be cool. 15:36:10 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-170-170.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:36:15 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:37:05 *Xach* still has the norvig book ready to go 15:37:34 Hrm. Ninety miles from Portland. 15:38:12 Do I remember rightly that you're in the Portland area? 15:38:28 Yep. 15:39:16 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 15:40:06 I don't think there's a chance of a meet-up at that point, then. Sorry. /-: 15:40:42 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-phzgemuvweildvxn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:43 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 15:43:17 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:09 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 15:47:06 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0030f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:49:50 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.11.224.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:49:58 Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.128.141.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 15:50:40 H4ns: thanks, I'm still easily confused about SLDBs output 15:50:50 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:52:31 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 15:54:09 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81.200.28.83] has joined #lisp 15:54:13 ikki [~ikki@189.247.214.98] has joined #lisp 15:56:28 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81.200.28.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:53 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81.200.28.83] has joined #lisp 15:57:20 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:57:43 kpreid [~kpreid@50-196-148-102-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:59:31 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-170-170.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:59:45 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:01:38 francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has joined #lisp 16:01:55 what do you think of this project: http://metalisp.it-marks.com/php/meta/proj-clphp.php ? 16:02:35 francogrex: lacks taste 16:02:35 imho, php should not be used anymore 16:03:04 I'd rather use a python or js framework to do similar stuff 16:03:08 yeah yeah, but it is used so we'll live with it 16:03:32 H4ns: lacks taste why? it's a shame it's not public 16:04:17 It seems good enough as a last resort (can't deploy CL or something more sensible). 16:04:33 francogrex: i've only glanced at it, as "subset of lisp -> subset of php" does not interest me at all. "lacks taste" because apparently, keywords are used as function, macro and special form names. 16:05:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:40 any opinions about the problem I'm solving with https://github.com/phmarek/threading-queue#readme ? 16:06:08 -!- bitonic [~user@dyn900-245.eduroam.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:06:11 flip214: yes. how does lparallel not suit you? 16:06:26 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@n218250062199.netvigator.com] has joined #lisp 16:06:45 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08:01 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-179.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:08:30 yeh agree, it is ugly 16:11:53 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@n218250062199.netvigator.com] has quit [Quit: ] 16:12:13 hey http://paste.lisp.org/display/133507 16:12:57 control-stack-guard is affected too 16:14:04 -!- Stanislaw [~quassel@124-148-119-99.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:12 wbooze: "normal" recursion is limited by stack depth. tail recursion may be available with your implementation, but in cl, you generally do not want to use unbounded recursion. 16:14:29 so i have to convert the code ? 16:14:41 or increase just the stack size ? 16:14:53 H4ns: AFAIK lparallel needs to have _all_ data present to do its pmap things; threading-queue allows to re-insert elements back into the same (or an earlier) queue 16:15:04 better convert yes ok 16:15:09 ie. it's a kind of series thingie 16:15:17 wbooze: increasing the stack size may help, or converting to tail recursive form. 16:15:35 puuuh, now i'll have fun........ 16:15:36 wbooze: only non-recursive is safe, though. 16:15:53 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:06 yep yep, i'm aware, but i didn't learn that stuff yet....we'll see..... 16:16:31 or not learned it properly/thoroughly.... 16:16:43 lol :) 16:17:23 -this is funny!- 16:18:27 booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:12 -!- ASau is now known as P6MK 16:22:32 -!- Ralt [~Ralt@eup38-1-82-247-184-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:24 -!- P6MK is now known as ASau 16:24:17 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:24:56 (try to learn is funny ; to know perfectly only one thing is impossible :) 16:27:28 bitonic [~user@laptop9-181.dynip.doc.ic.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:28:56 -!- booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:14 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-103-21.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29:54 pnpuff: you can know something perfectly. some things are merely knowledge. 1+1=2. i know that _perfectly_ 16:30:38 booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:30:46 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Krystof 16:31:12 madnificent: you have that remembered. but "knowing" that means to be aware about all the implications of set theory and whatever else it might touch, IMO. 16:31:15 -!- Krystof changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: SBCL 1.1.1, Hunchentoot 1.2.7, Drakma, 1.2.9 16:31:22 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o Krystof 16:33:36 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has left #lisp 16:33:37 flip214: my statement was in the light of the definition, like the one at dictionary.com. if we go away from that definition and use yours, then yes. 16:33:59 "go away", that sounds nice when it relates to this discussion :D 16:34:10 yeah, sorry 16:36:20 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.110.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:37 is there anywhere a tutorial on converting recursive -> iterative ? 16:38:15 wbooze: in general? no. 16:38:26 ah ok 16:38:33 wbooze: i use 'thinking' for it. i have no formal links (though Dijkstra likely wrote things about it, if you first want to formalize everything and work from there). vaguely put, i tend to think about "making the state explicit" and working from there on. 16:38:33 hmmmmm 16:38:42 wbooze: though that last thing may not say much 16:39:17 Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:21 wbooze: is it for enum-interval? 16:39:37 wbooze: what do you wanna do? 16:39:51 well if i could get a start with easy things....maybe i can do that with complex ones too....but now i'm just trying to find something like a conversion instruction........ 16:40:02 wbooze: for tail-recursive, just put the whole function body in a loop and setq all the arguments at the end of the loop 16:40:23 i want to convert (in general) my recursive funs to iterative ones..... 16:40:24 wbooze: you will not likely find a general conversion instruction, if that existed, programming languages would probably use it already :) 16:40:36 s/programming languages/compilers/ 16:40:45 aah 16:41:12 yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:12 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:14 mm... i wonder. 16:41:16 -!- yrk [~user@c-50-133-134-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:41:16 yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has joined #lisp 16:41:30 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:41:42 i wonder if it is a NP problem in a sense .. 16:41:49 wbooze: your paste contains things that are easy to convert though. you probably just need some practice. 16:42:04 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 16:42:12 what paste? 16:42:24 seems so 16:42:34 -!- booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:34 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133507 16:42:51 well there really isn't a difference between recursive and iterative at the machine level; it's all just branches, and if you aren't doing tail-recursion then you need to maintain a stack in some manner 16:43:25 most of them are just loops over your list, shortening it each step. 16:43:29 jasom: by making a loop, you hint the machine as to how it can maintain the stack efficiently. what it can replace etc. 16:43:44 i know the iterative ones require an acumulator one which holds the result and icrements it or not (depending....) but i don't know what todo in case of convoluted calls like i have 16:43:47 madnificent: at the beginning of the algebra there are only "conventions" :) 16:43:53 wbooze: start with enum-interval. try to use (loop ... collect ...) 16:43:58 ok 16:45:08 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:19 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:45:27 even mathematics can not prove itself. lol 16:45:30 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:34 it's just a matter of faith :) 16:47:02 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.214.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:47:18 wbooze: brain-dead example: http://paste.lisp.org/+2V0K 16:47:52 of course the code generated with optimizations on should be nearly identical 16:48:37 booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 16:51:52 jasom: annotation, potentially clearer to read later on 16:53:31 madnificent: doesn't work on ecl 16:54:04 jasom: is my code non-standard code, did i do something blatantly wrong, or is ecl wrong in that (the latter would be odd) 16:54:12 -!- ngz [~user@115.236.75.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54:45 something is wrong; sbcl doesn't like it either 16:55:31 jasom: the variable bindings occur sooner than i expected, that's the problem ): 16:55:32 you can't rebind variables like that 16:55:53 that's good to know. aside from that it should work 16:55:56 yup 16:57:34 madnificent: my brain said "something about that loop looks wrong" and so I ran it in ecl since that seems to be the most anal about the loop form 16:57:51 -!- asvil [~user@ns.osvtl.spb.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:08 -!- booguie [~booguie@wsip-98-172-168-236.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:35 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-236-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:59:42 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:02:44 -!- smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:31 -!- fiveop_ [~fiveop@p4FCDFEA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 17:06:59 does anyone have code lying around that uses PATH and symlinks to find the path to the executable running? 17:07:43 H4ns: realpath? 17:07:53 ams: is that a libc function? 17:08:10 no 17:08:25 ah, no sorry yeah it is... 17:08:30 ams: well, on this box it is, but that is not quite what i need 17:08:55 then i am not sure what you want 17:09:02 you have something in PATH ... 17:09:15 ams: i'm looking for a function that locates the executable so that i can access files located relative to the executable 17:09:20 and you want to find the absolute name for that file name? 17:09:29 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:09:44 so like which? 17:09:47 ams: i have argv[0] and want to make a good attempt at locating it in the file system 17:09:53 (but in lisp) 17:10:00 mm.. 17:10:07 ams: i know how to write it, but if i can avoid writing it, i'd prefer that 17:10:17 nod. 17:10:19 yes great wich! 17:10:20 Bike [~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:35 *phrixos* does it with a perl wrapper using FindBin::RealBin 17:10:42 H4ns: nope, dunno. 17:10:54 obviously that finds the path to the wrapper, but that's what i needed 17:10:58 but there isn'a a similar function in lisp 17:11:10 (I suppose) 17:12:00 though realise that using argv[0] to argv[argc-1] is not really the name of a program ... 17:12:07 the value of each string is implementation defined. 17:12:28 ams: i know all the caveats. i need it to work on linux with sbcl. 17:12:40 H4ns: ah, why not progname then? 17:13:06 ams: well, and osx :) 17:13:16 so ... posix. 17:13:24 who am i ? 17:13:27 lol 17:13:37 pnpuff: A rambling dolt, at the moment. 17:14:07 interesting. 17:14:14 H4ns: if the environment is that restricted then call "which" 17:14:23 much interesting 17:14:31 why rambling? 17:14:45 fe[nl]ix: good idea, let me try that. 17:14:53 H4ns: on gnu/linux you can look it up via /proc ... on osx ... 17:15:10 *ams* thinks. 17:15:12 pnpuff: Writing things that don't make sense and adding "lol". 17:15:17 pnpuff: Please stop. 17:15:35 ok 17:15:52 sorry! 17:15:53 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:16:18 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:18:07 linse_ [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 17:18:44 kliph` [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 17:19:10 H4ns: mm.. nope, only manner i know of (via C) is realpath, and getprogname.. or some such... curd: { char *buf[123]; realpath(buf, getprogname()); } should work on anything remotley sane (GNU, and BSD); but other than that .. no clue sorry. 17:19:39 ams: thanks 17:19:40 ams: where does the proposed which fall short? 17:20:17 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:20:27 madnificent: in performance. also, it does not traverse symbolic links for me, i think 17:20:37 no 17:21:27 madnificent: fuckly to call 17:21:27 good 17:21:34 madnificent: sb-posix and such is quite nice enough 17:22:05 calling bash scripts isn't hideous in sbcl 17:22:14 "bash scripts"? 17:22:21 it is hideous enough, since you have to have that shell script. 17:22:36 and which is not standard on _any_ system 17:23:39 H4ns: it's the name i usually hear when people talk about application which you can launch from the terminal (which is most often bash, it seems). even though they, indeed, rarely are bash scripts 17:24:26 gkeith_glaptop_ [gkeith@nat/google/x-rgokaydbcmfxkoez] has joined #lisp 17:25:14 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 17:26:01 -!- MoALTz [~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:29 gkeith_glaptop__ [gkeith@nat/google/x-nmuemvubdmbbgcxx] has joined #lisp 17:26:31 MoALTz [~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:08 -!- vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-zrgdulgwuemvsgud] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:22 madnificent: here is a fun one, is using #!/bin/sh POSIX compliant? 17:27:24 vert2 [vert2@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-wfkjjwzxmrvbhqsf] has joined #lisp 17:28:14 ams: doesn't that depend on the shell that is executing the commands? it also doesn't seem extremely relevant here :) 17:28:18 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:45 madnificent: true, but got anything better to talk about? 17:28:45 AeroNotix [~xeno@aclm78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 17:29:10 *madnificent* prefers an empty scrollback over one with nonsense in it 17:29:34 i don't care :-) 17:30:16 -!- kliph` is now known as kliph 17:33:13 ams: getprogname is BSD-specific 17:33:23 Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-079-010.wireless.sfu.ca] has joined #lisp 17:33:46 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 17:33:57 fe[nl]ix: thanks. 17:34:13 erm ok http://paste.lisp.org/display/133507#1 17:35:59 -!- doomlord [~doomlod@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:37:31 wbooze: without looking to carefully, you might be allocating lots and lots of conses and running out of heap space.. 17:37:41 wbooze: (loop for x from low to high collect x) 17:37:47 truename ftw: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133509 17:37:59 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.24.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:38:15 H4ns: sweet 17:38:22 pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 17:42:10 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:11 Hmm, weitz.de/files/cl-unicode.tgz has a timestamp of today, but github.com/edicl shows no recent changes. 17:42:22 *Xach* wonders what's up 17:42:30 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:42:34 uh. i need to inquire with edi about that 17:43:30 Xach: 404 on the tgz file 17:44:31 doomlord [~doomlod@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:44:40 I misspelled, it's .tar.gz 17:44:56 ah, no changes between the two ... 17:45:01 Last-Modified: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:02:05 GMT is the slightly odd bit. 17:45:12 sure it isn't just your web cilent frobbing the time stamp? 17:45:16 mm.. 17:45:20 Quite. 17:45:43 timestamps in the tar file look ok 17:47:07 H4ns: I was trying to think of a more clever way to rewrite your function that didn't use dolist/return, but I couldn't. :( 17:47:11 touché :< 17:47:20 Same thing for cl-unicode and cl-who .tar.gz files 17:47:26 But not for most other weitz.de files. 17:47:31 sykopomp: loop will probably be nicer, but i don't know enough about it. 17:47:47 Xach: i'll let you know what he says 17:47:53 I was going more for FIND/FIND-IF/OR 17:48:03 sykopomp: no way 17:48:13 H4ns: I was close! 17:48:17 or so I thought. 17:48:20 :D 17:51:35 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.254.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:51:36 i'd be interested in the equivalent loop, really 17:52:28 -!- gkeith_glaptop__ [gkeith@nat/google/x-nmuemvubdmbbgcxx] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:52:29 -!- gkeith_glaptop_ [gkeith@nat/google/x-rgokaydbcmfxkoez] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:52:34 the loop version's easy 17:52:47 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.81.200.221] has joined #lisp 17:53:14 http://paste.lisp.org/display/133509#1 17:53:32 ok, but that is not nicer, i think :) 17:53:45 sykopomp: damn you sykopomp, i was still typing it in the repl! 17:53:48 I agree. 17:54:14 there must be a nice way involving THEREIS or something like that 17:54:17 H4ns: my find/find-if/or version wouldn't be more readable. It would just be funner. 17:54:36 THEREIS? 17:54:37 sykopomp: why do (return path) instead of return path? 17:55:20 I think using plain return runs the finally form. 17:55:22 I want to cancel the finally 17:55:37 ah, could be 17:58:03 Xach: the timestamps on edi's tarballs are meaningless 17:58:47 *sykopomp* feels like there should be a find-and-return-whatever-the-key-gave-you 17:58:56 am I missing something here? 17:59:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:00:20 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:01:09 (or (find-if #'probe-file *path* :key (curry #'merge-pathnames name) :return-key t) (error "could not locate file")) <-- this would be hot 18:01:43 H4ns: ok. i do use them to conditionally fetch the files. the bandwidth difference doesn't matter much to me. 18:02:09 google code projects don't allow conditional fetch so I have to pull all those down all the time, for example 18:03:48 -!- _Mon_Ouie_ is now known as Mon_Ouie 18:03:50 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@175.79-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 18:03:50 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 18:03:52 not many people use google code hosting for CL though. 18:05:59 is there a function that works like I described above that I've completely missed? 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(apart from not using pathnames, that is ...) 19:32:26 hmmm, HUNCHENTOOT:REQUEST-PATHNAME always returns a PATHNAME. 19:32:34 try using type instead ? 19:32:50 it's parsed as name.type or so 19:33:04 so your's will get treated as :type vim not :name vim 19:33:08 ? 19:33:44 wbooze: I'm not sure I understand you. Yes, ".vim" has name "", and namestring complains. 19:33:49 or don't use namestring, use make-pathname directly ? 19:33:58 flip214: (namestring #P"/home/user/.foo") works for me 19:34:04 ah 19:34:17 H4ns: sbcl in which version? 19:34:24 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:34:32 flip214: 1.0.58 19:35:01 flip214: that same thing does not work for you? 19:35:33 H4ns: ok, that in the repl works for me too ... but (namestring (hunchentoot:request-pathname)) for an appropriate URL gives me this error. 19:37:14 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:37:55 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 19:38:08 url ? 19:38:13 like what ? 19:38:48 does it work for urls too ? 19:38:58 or is that news to me just ? 19:39:11 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 19:39:21 (format t "~F~%" (apply #'+ (loop for i from 1 to 3 collect (expt 10 (- 0 (factorial i)))))) : any suggestion to semplify the code? -thanks- 19:39:31 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:57 pnpuff: (- (factorial i)) 19:40:21 These are the slides from the presentation I made last Friday on Common Lisp: http://beta.bas.fi/common-lisp-friday/ 19:40:39 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:49 flip214: i cannot reproduce the problem, so i can't help. if you can isolate it, maybe there is something that needs fixing in hunchentoot. 19:40:53 I should probably credit gigamonkey more properly And put references to code samples from Wikipedia. 19:40:55 peterhil`: cool. 19:41:17 thanks sellout42. 19:41:22 Today we had a hackathon where we went through the chapter 3 of PCL. 19:41:32 *gigamonkey* nods approvingly 19:42:05 Then I maybe put a this under CC-BY-SA license? 19:42:51 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 19:42:55 flip214: maybe you can paste the complete error message 19:46:03 flip214: maybe you can trace hunchentoot::parse-path and show the output 19:46:06 -!- CrazyEddy [~geobios@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46:08 peterhil`: nice presentation 19:46:24 flip214: note that there have recently been changes, so maybe it is a problem that does not exist in the current version 19:46:32 (of hunchentoot) 19:46:48 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:12 peterhil`: what's the name of the presentation slides framework? i've seen it before. 19:49:22 felideon: It's called revel.js 19:49:25 reveal.js 19:49:37 http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/ 19:49:48 gigamonkey: Thanks. 19:50:24 It turned out good. On last week's tuesday I was worried if I can finish it... 19:50:42 (I had barely started writing it then) 19:51:31 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.109.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:52:06 daniel [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has joined #lisp 19:52:26 peterhil`: thanks. it does seem to have a bug where # starts comment highlighting the rest of the line. 19:52:27 -!- daniel is now known as danielmg 19:52:49 felidon: Yes, it uses highlight.js 19:53:01 -!- danielmg [~danielmg@201.209.38.229] has left #lisp 19:53:11 It doesn't seem to understand common lisp syntax fully. Just a generic Lisp style syntax. 19:53:24 in any case it looks nice, and I like the content. 19:54:31 It turned out to be good in the pedagogic way also, that the new things had mostly already been covered in earlier slides also. 19:54:46 I was quite happy about it. 19:54:56 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has joined #lisp 19:55:07 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@ABordeaux-651-1-145-248.w109-222.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:55:51 We also had a presentation on functional programming and Scala the previous friday, which helped immensely about the functional programmin parts. 19:56:02 My workplace is a PHP house after all... 19:56:04 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:58:26 minor nitpick: "The big difference is the backquote syntax, as seen in the following macro example:" 19:59:43 peterhil`: where do you work? 20:00:32 gigamonkey: At http://www.soprano.fi/verkkopalvelut Earlier it was called Soprano Brain Alliance. 20:01:00 FB: https://www.facebook.com/Soprano.Plc 20:01:13 It's only in Finnish sorry. 20:01:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:03:10 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:54 felidon: What about that macro example? 20:04:08 It was a bad example by the way... 20:04:12 Picked in a hurry 20:04:14 peterhil`: not the example, but the comment regarding 'biggest difference'/ 20:04:55 I don't know how to word it properly but, isn't the biggest difference that parameters are not evaluated? 20:05:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:13 Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:38 Oh, true. I explained that you can use the backquote syntax on it's own. 20:05:52 It's just handy when defining macros. 20:05:55 right 20:06:29 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:07:09 i'm usually not one to nitpick, and it is a pretty nice presentation, but was your audience mainly OS X users? 20:07:17 Yes. 20:07:57 i would recommend http://emacsformacosx.com/ rather than Aquamacs, but no harm in mentioning both I guess. :) 20:08:03 That's why the installation instructions use ports. The dot.emacs file works for both Linux and OS X. 20:08:57 Yes, I know Emacs now has a GUI for OS X. I'm just not so familiar with it myself, so I took the safe bet by using Aquamacs. 20:09:05 ah, you use Aquamacs? 20:09:09 Yes. 20:09:19 It's my IDE. :-) 20:09:29 Ah nice. 20:10:23 I have a one collague that is Vim fan. Does somebody know how well slimv works? 20:10:27 One last thing, in case you didn't know. You can also install CCL from the Mac App Store! Not that I've ever tried it. 20:10:41 I don't like the App Store... 20:10:42 :-) 20:10:49 20:10:53 got it :) 20:10:56 I seriously considering moving to using Linux... 20:11:11 H4ns: "does anyone have code lying around that uses PATH and symlinks to find 20:11:13 the path to the executable running? " 20:11:28 peterhil`: i've never used the app store either. 20:11:45 <--- did you get the code you need? all my shell scripts usually do so ... 20:12:03 One day I found a new irc client, which is in App Store and it has a BSD license. Compiling it required to find out how to disable the App Store encryption in XCode. I don't like the way Apple is heading with the App Store. 20:12:17 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:29 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 20:12:38 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:41 nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 20:12:54 I must be going now Bus is going. Have a nice weekend everyone. Byes! 20:13:08 peterhil`: is the presentation free to copy, then? if i ever find myself giving a lisp intro. 20:13:59 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 20:14:33 Yes for my part. I should probably just add the references to code samples and some parts of the text. Then I guess I can slap a CC-BY-SA license on it. 20:14:52 linse [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 20:15:01 Or CC-BY 20:15:13 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:15:14 H4ns: "$( cd "$( dirname "$0" )" && pwd )" is what I do for sh script in portable POSIX 20:15:29 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 20:17:07 is does not use PATH, but it does follows symlinks and gives the exact directory the file itself is located in. I use it all the time to know where things are rather than set it to a default. 20:17:21 drewc: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133509 20:18:13 fiveop [~fiveop@p5DC11507.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:30 -!- `fogus [~fogus@burke-matrex.d-a-s.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:19:50 peterhil`: thanks. have a nice weekend, too. 20:20:00 well, in that case, completely different from what I had in mind. I guess I am much to POSIX oriented for dealing with FSs :) 20:21:07 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:22:44 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:23:37 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 20:25:39 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 20:26:49 peterhil: quite a packed presentation. was the presentation library much of a hassle? 20:27:08 -!- normanrichards [~normanric@72-48-145-180.static.grandenetworks.net] has quit [] 20:27:56 seems pretty easy, each slide is just text wrapped in a
tag 20:28:04 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:29:36 felideon: it looks straight-forward, but that doesn't say anything about difficulties which arose whilst using it. 20:30:32 more on topic: are there any other rss generation libraries around, aside from cl-css-gen? 20:30:43 * cl-rss-gen 20:30:50 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 20:31:12 madnificent: heh .. RSS is on my list of things to look into today 20:31:59 drewc: i'll probably have something ready in a few minutes or so. (just tell sexml to use the dtd) however if there's something readily available... 20:32:28 _veer [~veer@pool-173-65-234-164.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:28 -!- _veer [~veer@pool-173-65-234-164.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:32:28 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 20:33:56 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 20:34:15 ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has joined #lisp 20:35:01 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 20:36:21 madnificent: well, there is cl-rss, but I simply plan on adding (defpackage : drewc: i'll quickly roll my own then :) 20:38:57 heya, drewc 20:39:01 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@173-10-106-172-BusName-Washington.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39:31 madnificent: paste the code if you can, I would not mind seeing it :) 20:39:37 Fade: hey hey 20:39:53 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 20:40:15 if i want to use libraries from another programming language is that possible to use it in lisp? 20:40:27 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:40:41 "heya. heyyy yaa ... shake it like a poloroid picture" 20:40:53 blbef: depends on the language. 20:40:58 blbef: yes/no/maybe 20:41:10 C is well supported by cffi 20:41:24 C++ is a pain in the ass 20:41:33 C++ is well supported by C! 20:41:37 if it's ruby/python/whatever, probably not 20:41:59 drewc: just a second then, paste.lisp.org to the rescue 20:42:04 I guess you could try cl-python if that was the domain of your interface problem. 20:42:06 that is, make it in to C first, then access that C code! 20:42:22 there is also perl6 and ruby is CL ... 20:42:22 Fade, java? 20:42:27 in 20:42:35 blbef: java is well supported by abcl 20:42:43 and there is, heh, this thing called stdout 20:42:55 blbef: Yeah, ABCL is your best bet  it's a JVM impl of CL. 20:42:58 although I have never personally used abcl. 20:43:22 I tend to use stdin/stdout :) 20:43:35 I happen to work a lot with the author of ABCL ... 20:44:04 erann [~erann@21.Red-83-42-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:32 oooh .. and! 20:45:36 blbef: http://www.cliki.net/Foil 20:46:28 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 20:46:31 which I have never used, and actually I do not like Java very much at all ... but there you go ... 20:46:44 drewc: http://paste.lisp.org/display/133511 20:46:55 and isn't there a JVM that is written in CL? 20:47:10 the SBCL one or whatever? 20:47:16 CLOAK, IIRC. 20:47:19 pcos did something like that as his first CL project 20:47:21 that one 20:47:28 I was thinking Smoke, but that's the c++ thing. 20:47:37 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:48:14 http://lichteblau.blogspot.ca/2007/08/cloak.html 20:48:23 since I already had it up in the search ab. 20:48:26 *tab 20:49:02 drewc, good to know thank you 20:49:12 there's also http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/current/doc/jlinker.htm if you have the money 20:49:21 drewc: I want an ASDF extension that lets me define interfile dependencies that assumes every file is its own package and lets me manage name imports etc like Python's module system does. 20:49:22 :( 20:49:28 also a pony. 20:49:44 The rainbow one, actually. She's pretty cool. 20:49:55 sykopomp: doesn't cl-conduit do that, pretty much? 20:50:24 I thought conduits were one of the various hierarchical-module-like hacks. 20:50:32 sykopomp: heh ... /msg me your email address and I will attach something that si not open source yet, but _CAN_ dtrt 20:50:58 drewc: whatever you want @sykosomatic.org 20:51:55 cool, will show you the code, which you can use just try not to release it publically yet :) 20:52:24 Cool. :) 20:52:30 *sykopomp* -> driving home. 20:52:31 (die, playboy die! exhale exhale exhale!) 20:53:09 bitonic [~user@5e09a749.bb.sky.com] has joined #lisp 20:53:31 drewc: i'll probably bolt something on top of that though. there are a few obligatory tags, so it's probably not that much work to make it prettier than what's generated there. 20:53:34 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-72-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:29 madnificent: are you aware that you are in direct violation of the Great Lisp Libary Consolidation effort? 20:54:50 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:29 -!- erann [~erann@21.Red-83-42-44.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:55:44 LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:10 madnificent: heh ... looks very easy , and I like the org mode literate thing. Using Babel and C-c C-v t? 20:56:53 drewc: i can't connect both statements, but yes seems to be the common answer 20:57:30 *drewc* has plans to first use org mode as the literate thing for his monad , then a based on his monad to do the same thing from CL 20:57:35 drewc: although i'm not in direct violation. sexml takes a stab to allow different expansion routines and different tags to be supported on a per-project and per-user basis. not all users want the same xml-output-thing 20:57:51 drewc: literate is nice, but you miss some things, like M-. 20:58:08 erann [~erann@95.Red-79-146-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:22 and the package isn't automatically set right, so you must change to it manually in slime when evaluating from a code buffer 20:58:25 madnificent: C-c C-v t is 'tangle' in emacs for org-mode IIRC 20:58:29 correct! 20:58:45 ghast [~user@host106.190-226-85.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 20:58:56 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 20:59:01 w00t! I usually M-x such things, so knowing the keystrokes is a good thing :) 20:59:42 C-c C-e is another good one to know in orgmode 21:00:51 ooh 21:01:00 yeah, that I use all the time :) 21:01:09 someone has been messing with cliki css 21:01:17 it looks....modern 21:01:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:01:58 guaqua: welcome back to lisp/cliki... there is a we bit more going on then CSS 21:02:06 wee* 21:03:43 and it has been so for a while ... and it is hosting on a different virtual machine on a different physical machine, in a different country/union/continent. 21:04:10 madness. is jpl back to using lisp? 21:04:14 but, the domain name is the same. and the context I moved over as well. 21:04:30 *felideon* hopes it's not the one hosting dwim.hu 21:04:53 felideon: it is not, trust me on that! :) 21:04:59 drewc: :D 21:05:33 in fact, that is a 'new' server, and not hosting much. Soon though, it will be. 21:05:34 HG` [~HG@wprt-4d097e29.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:58 common-lisp.net/org will be moved over the that server shortly. 21:06:13 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@p5DC11507.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:06:29 paste.lisp.org will likely come first ... ahh fun. :| 21:06:35 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81.200.28.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:36 paste.lisp.org is still running on araneida, correct? 21:07:37 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has joined #lisp 21:07:48 (and numerous other lisp sites that are hosted on two of my boxes that are migrating to the new server ...) 21:08:25 no idea, but likely yes ... I have not looked at paste. code in over 5 years IIRC 21:08:47 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.24.155] has joined #lisp 21:09:21 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 21:10:01 kinda interesting that alot of lisp code tends to be shite old ... 21:10:21 i'm thinking there's quite a bit of perl code as old 21:10:27 lisp code seems to gravitate to the local maximum quite rapidly. 21:10:29 from the beginning of web 21:10:43 or early cgi times 21:11:22 other languages have evolved more quickly (python from 1998 is another language, perl not as much...) 21:11:40 perl6 is the same as perl5? 21:11:44 and common lisp, well, libraries have evolved? 21:11:51 drewc: perl6 is not yet in production 21:12:07 i.e. not ready for prime time. perl5 has developed some, i guess 21:12:42 *drewc* stopped programming using PERL around 2005 and has not looked back. 21:12:58 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:48 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81.200.28.83] has joined #lisp 21:14:56 -!- linse [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 21:15:16 killerboy [~mateusz@195.225.68.249] has joined #lisp 21:15:31 ehlo 21:16:25 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:16:36 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 21:16:50 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 21:16:50 nydel: this channel is not an smtp server 21:17:13 jasom: would you believe that was an unintentional typo 21:17:20 nydel: yup 21:17:28 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-128-111.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:45 mostly lately i can't type "ng" at the end of words. on anythign that ends in ing, i reverse them 21:18:29 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-40-86.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:19:15 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.204.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:20:27 I say "P" all the time, and only lispers understand .. "go to store p" meaning a predicate .. or in my mind 'should I go to the store' ... my wife, otoh, is always wondering why my questions and with #\p and if I have to 'go' p. 21:20:39 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:01 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 21:21:22 heheh 21:21:32 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 21:22:00 daniel [~danielmg@201.248.126.23] has joined #lisp 21:22:03 GO-P-P ? 21:22:17 -!- daniel [~danielmg@201.248.126.23] has left #lisp 21:22:51 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:22:55 and of course, me saying ... 'non .. predicate!' does not make any sense to her at all. 21:26:14 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4d097e29.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:28:06 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@105-236-31-93.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:16 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-226-140.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:14 tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has joined #lisp 21:29:22 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: this computer sucks] 21:30:01 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-231-47.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:33:17 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.89] has joined #lisp 21:33:47 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:34:01 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:49 H4ns: here you are. http://paste.lisp.org/display/133512 Thanks for all help. There's no hunchentoot::parse-path to trace, perhaps it's just too old. 21:35:17 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:40:14 -!- trebor_dki [~user@kvpn.lbf.fraunhofer.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:45:29 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-251-38.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:48:35 -!- cic_ [~connolly@Catnip.AI.SRI.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:43 -!- Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-25-106.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:02 daniel [~danielmg@201.248.126.23] has joined #lisp 21:50:12 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-148-201.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:50 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.89] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:51 hello. is there an error in the hyperspec page for invoke-restart? it defines a function 'add3', but then it calls 'foo' (which does not exist) instead of 'add3' ... 21:52:55 -!- daniel [~danielmg@201.248.126.23] has left #lisp 21:53:21 Codynyx [~cody@c-75-72-25-106.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:39 Quadresce [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 21:57:10 looks like it 21:57:17 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:57:19 :\ 21:57:21 HG` [~HG@wprt-4d097e29.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:23 -!- Quadresce is now known as Quadrescence 21:57:35 there was a page with clhs errata around somewhere 21:57:43 oh is there? 21:57:44 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@c-24-21-251-38.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:55 acieroid` [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 21:58:02 prog1 vs prog2 is worse 21:58:19 jrockway_ [jrockway@itchy.jrock.us] has joined #lisp 21:58:25 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:25 -!- jrockway [jrockway@itchy.jrock.us] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:58:25 -!- p8m [~p8m@67.210.179.76] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:58:25 p8m_ [~p8m@67.210.179.76] has joined #lisp 21:58:53 -!- froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:59:01 -!- foom [jknight@nat/google/x-tpjgyogneamrzmpi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:59:09 oh is it? didn't know. 21:59:25 foom [jknight@nat/google/x-urvduoavbrafybmj] has joined #lisp 21:59:51 why isn't it corrected by now? 22:00:29 -!- phadthai [mmondor@206.248.143.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:40 expensive process 22:00:42 -!- sellout42 is now known as sellout 22:00:46 it is, in the clhs errata page 22:01:11 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:35 and of course, things like the separate the wheat from the chaff ;) 22:01:47 where is the errata page? 22:01:53 cliki, I believe. 22:02:03 minion: proposed? 22:02:13 ... let me guess, no minion? 22:03:03 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:03:36 -!- HG` [~HG@wprt-4d097e29.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:04:07 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.24.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:04:14 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 22:04:14 froggey [~froggey@unaffiliated/froggey] has joined #lisp 22:04:35 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 22:06:16 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:06:36 seems like you found a new one :) 22:06:39 -!- _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:06:54 not in the errata page 22:08:35 _veer [~veer@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 22:08:36 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:09:03 nyef_: do you know how to start to bots? that have been down for like a week now and I have no idea at all 22:09:23 I used to. Is the website at least still up? 22:09:57 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09:59 And who is the current maintainer? stassats or someone else? 22:10:03 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 22:10:04 yup, common-lisp.net you mean? 22:10:33 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:33 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 22:10:40 -!- drewc [~user@212.110.167.245] has quit [Quit: madnificent] 22:10:54 -!- Kvakz [~kvaks@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:59 ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has joined #lisp 22:11:17 I meant paste.lisp.org, actually. 22:11:18 Kvakz [~kvaks@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 22:11:20 drewc [~user@212.110.167.245] has joined #lisp 22:11:36 Looks like I still have access to the lisppaste account, and there's a running screen, so that's a start. 22:11:42 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:11:49 heh .. /query and /quit are near the same! 22:11:53 And there's a REPL, but... it's different. 22:12:10 The old lisppaste was running sb-aclrepl. 22:12:15 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:12:36 I had ehu restart lisppaste IIRC 22:13:27 Hrm. Odd, it looks like there aren't any bots in the image. 22:14:11 and, very very very soon, that will be on its own VM ... not on the cl-net vm like it is now. IPs cost me a dollar per month, so common-lisp.net could have at least 10 before Istart complaining about the cost. 22:14:49 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:08 Okay, I'm going to try something, and I don't know if it'll work. 22:15:23 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:23 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 22:15:24 -!- erann [~erann@95.Red-79-146-126.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:15:38 minion: How are you? 22:15:39 it's going quite fine today 22:16:07 Hrm. Looks like they aren't (shut-up). 22:16:22 ... Or they take a while before they do so. 22:16:26 minion: Proposed? 22:16:26 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``Proposed''. 22:16:32 minion: Proposed%20ansi 22:16:32 Sorry, I couldn't find anything in the database for ``Proposed%20ansi''. 22:16:35 Hrm. 22:16:40 minion: sbcl 22:16:40 sbcl: No definition was found in the first 5 lines of http://www.cliki.net/sbcl 22:16:45 Good enough. 22:17:01 vasily_pupkin [~avatar@109.86.168.179] has joined #lisp 22:17:17 flip214: you are running an old hunchentoot version. please try the git version to see whether it has the same issue. the quicklisp version will be updated soon (i hope with the next release) 22:17:27 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-128-111.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:48 minion: chant 22:17:48 MORE CODE 22:18:18 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 22:18:47 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-141.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:08 AeroNotix [~xeno@aclm78.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 22:20:17 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 22:21:27 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:22:33 -!- vasily_pupkin [~avatar@109.86.168.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:49 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 22:29:16 nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 22:31:32 erann [~erann@194.Red-79-154-73.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:17 -!- acieroid` is now known as acieroid 22:35:27 ok i added a new entry in the clhs errata list at the end of that cliki page to report the error on invoke-restart. 22:36:36 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-40-86.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:51 Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-40-86.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 22:39:42 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-128-111.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:40:38 -!- rdqfdx [~rdqfdx@78.90.88.244] has quit [Quit: terminated!] 22:42:42 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:39 slime used to give an extended arglist when entering C-c C-d A, however that seems to be rebound. does anyone know the name of the slime function to show the extended arglist in the mode-line? 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22:56:35 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 22:57:03 -!- nyef__ [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:57:11 Bike: slime-arglistp .. not #\? :P 22:57:28 nyef__ [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:37 (and yes slime-arglist is the name) 22:58:25 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:52 slime-arglist still asks for the function :/ so i can't 'just' rebind it. not the biggest deal, but i'm fairly certain something should be hooked to C-c C-d A 22:58:59 *madnificent* wonder where it went 22:59:13 iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:59:50 -!- morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d0030f4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:01:25 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:01:48 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 23:03:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:04:44 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:02 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 23:05:21 i wonder where the 'ello went ... when I brushed my teeth with pepsodent. 23:05:30 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-212-8.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:05:46 -!- Joreji [~thomas@73-018.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:06:09 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 23:06:09 So, looking at cliki, ObjectStore 23:06:28 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:06:47 because I was looking for something similar to the code i have .. 23:07:57 davyzhu [~user@114.91.107.127] has joined #lisp 23:08:32 and in that page is a link to a cliki page, that actually has the exact code I have, but the page is the wrong name! 23:08:59 'plank' instead of 'planks' .. ugh! 23:09:10 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:52 changes in bindings (defuns etc.) and top-level code are executed sequentially in LOAD of a compiled file? 23:10:04 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:10:40 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-007-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:11:01 -!- lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:01 lduros [~user@fsf/member/lduros] has joined #lisp 23:16:09 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp 23:16:48 p_l: usually, yes, ... but it depends on what the question is and/or why are you asking it :) 23:24:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 23:24:46 nyef_ [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 23:25:47 -!- nyef__ [~nyef@pool-70-109-148-190.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:13 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:26:28 -!- davyzhu [~user@114.91.107.127] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:27:16 drewc: I'm trying to generate fasls that would be loaded as patches into a live system 23:28:49 -!- LiamH [~none@pool-173-73-131-126.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:42 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@rrcs-184-75-115-252.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:30:07 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 23:30:16 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-246.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 23:30:39 nan_ [~user@94.55.130.42] has joined #lisp 23:31:53 -!- smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 23:31:55 ok, I have done somthing similar ... so fasls always load as fasls :) as long as you have a hotpatch directory where the binary looks for fixes and LOADs them in order it should work fine. 23:32:40 but, of course, there are a few gotchas there... but you likely now about them and the solution as well. 23:32:46 FASLs are defined to behave the same way under LOAD as would the source file, modulo EVAL-WHEN. 23:32:57 To a fairly close approximation, at least. 23:34:25 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:34:40 -!- nan_ [~user@94.55.130.42] has quit [Client Quit] 23:34:51 ok, thanks 23:35:30 the idea was to make some stuff so I could extract information about interdependencies of a live system (not just which depends on for compilation), and put apropriate hooks for migration 23:35:41 -!- nforgerit [~nforgerit@HSI-KBW-149-172-198-162.hsi13.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: nforgerit] 23:36:13 and then have a script that given two "points in time" in a repo would build patches to load, then make a dumped image as well 23:36:42 -!- PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qefntmgbpifcskce] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:36:48 -!- vasily_pupkin [~avatar@109.86.168.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:56 vasily_pupkin [~avatar@109.86.168.179] has joined #lisp 23:37:01 PuffTheMagic [uid3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xqhzvwepnvrmcdpm] has joined #lisp 23:37:35 linse [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:38:44 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.128.141.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:58 Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.128.141.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 23:41:39 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 23:44:19 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 23:47:07 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:48 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:48:59 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-245-1.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:37 -!- cdidd [~cdidd@95-27-17-68.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:00 drewc the magic drag .. on ... see he does maneuver, and frolics in the autumn mist in a land called Vancouver. 23:50:29 -!- agumonkey [~agu@183.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:51 (1/2 hour after 4:20, such things are going through my head ... and it is friday after all) 23:53:37 clariprincess [~princesit@200.84.67.68] has joined #lisp 23:58:47 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9] 23:59:33 ISF [~ivan@201.82.139.24] has joined #lisp