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I tried this method for exporting a file http://www.socher.org/index.php/Main/WriteToFileInLisp 00:44:39 joekarma [~joekarma@70-36-57-169.dyn.novuscom.net] has joined #lisp 00:44:45 How ever it didn't execute in gcl, does anyone have a method that's valid on sbcl & gcl? 00:45:09 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:53 see "charset:iso-8859-11"? The colon means it's a symbol in the "CHARSET" package, which is CLISP-specific. If you remove the external-format parameter it'll work, I think. 00:46:30 also, that's not the best use of format. format is like printf, the second argument is supposed to be a format string. 00:47:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:47:08 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:50:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:56:06 ikki [~ikki@189.196.97.37] has joined #lisp 00:56:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:57:19 -!- solidus_ [~sol@bzq-79-183-156-64.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:58:39 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 00:59:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 01:02:10 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A242A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:03:06 solidus_ 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contact the maintainers of the library, not the quicklisp project 09:41:15 Posterdati: fix the bug, have it fixed in the source that quicklisp uses. once it is fixed in upstream, open a github issue asking to update the project 09:42:19 Xach sent an issue on github, I think it will be fixed by the lib mantainer 09:43:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:45:23 H4ns, madnificent: will it automatically updated in quicklisp repository too? 09:46:25 Posterdati: nothing happens automatically. 09:46:34 Posterdati: first, the bug needs to be reported and fixed upstream 09:46:42 Posterdati: then, it needs to be updated in quicklisp. 09:47:10 Posterdati: you need to make sure that the first thing happens if you are interested in the second thing to happen. 09:47:13 Posterdati: it depends on what quicklisp is tracking. but there's no use in bothering quicklisp before the bug is fixed. the project maintainers likely know what quicklisp is tracking. though my guess 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is definitely an ABCL bug on trunk. 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On Windows, that is. 12:06:51 Sure! I only use it to test Quicklisp, though. 12:06:55 Np :) 12:07:00 Well done on that, btw. It's good work. :) 12:07:17 Anywho. I've defined two functions for the FFI - CreateWindowEx and GetLastError. 12:07:23 Now, 12:07:41 CreateWindowEx works correctly - I'm using it to trigger an error. That's good - IT returns NULL, which is the "something screwed up" value. 12:07:44 So, I know it failed. 12:07:45 Anyway. 12:07:56 GetLastError is always returning 0, which indicates success on the last Windows API call. 12:08:22 Calling GetLastError after calling CreateWindowEx (getting the error return value) should return 1407 for this specific case. I've tested this from C. 12:08:25 Now, 12:09:10 given that the successful execution of any Win32 function resets whatever stores the error... it makes sense to me that CFFI, talking through ECL's FFI, must be doing some Windows call. 12:09:21 Which is resetting the error state in the runtime, which is why I'm getting zero. 12:09:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:10:00 Sound reasonable? I'm accessing the right Windows DLLs for the functions, the FFI function declarations are correct. So, I'm not sure what's going on and why I'm not getting the correct value. 12:10:08 *Xach* has no idea, sorry 12:11:27 It probably doesn't help that the ECL I'm using isn't built with the :DFFI feature - dynamic FFI as you probably know. CFFI's close-foreign-library fails I assume because of this. And, I'm surprised CFFI's load-foreign-library works at all so I may be dealing in murky water, anyway. 12:12:05 Anywho, enough rambling. 12:12:05 :) 12:12:07 How's it going? 12:12:28 Lots of last-minute breakage for Quicklisp libraries 12:13:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:13:51 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.158] has joined #lisp 12:13:55 :( I believe I was here a few days ago when you mentioned one of the breaks. 12:13:56 Not sure. 12:13:58 But, that sucks. 12:14:06 Any luck tracking down the busted libraries and how to fix them? 12:14:26 Yep, now it's in the hands of other folks to fix things 12:14:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:23 *nod* 12:15:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:17:00 Btwm 12:17:01 *Btw, 12:17:20 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:21 How common is it today in Lisp code, that code lines are <= 80 characters long? 12:17:28 I prefer fewer. 12:17:30 I still comply to that rule in C/c++ 12:17:32 Aye, same. 12:17:39 I usually aim for 76 12:17:48 But it means I either have terse names or many line breaks. 12:17:49 It gets fatiguing to read longer lines. 12:18:17 elderK: use many line breaks. Also, consider breaking stuff into smaller functions :) 12:18:20 i find it harder to determine structure when long lines are broken just to comply with a line length limit 12:18:32 or if identifiers are shortened just to make lines short enough. 12:18:41 no shorting identifiers 12:19:09 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:19:13 with good indentation, most cases of long lines can nicely form a visual block with line breaks, though 12:19:26 aye 12:19:44 elderK: the ultimate goal, IMHO, is code readability. Sometimes that means long lines (and using line-breaking provided by editor :)) 12:20:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20:09 If you're having problems keeping under 76-80, usually it's because the code is getting convoluted. At least, that's a saying I heard long ago and have tended to see in my own code. 12:20:12 Aye, agreed. 12:20:19 It all depends on how obfuscated line breaking makes something. 12:20:23 hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 12:20:23 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:31 So far in my short experience with Lisp, line breaking doesn't really bust stuff up too much. 12:20:38 Where as in C, it can. 12:20:42 paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:21:24 d3vnu11 [~gurugeeka@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 12:21:41 -!- d3vnu11 [~gurugeeka@174-30.60-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 12:22:14 I should download ECL's source, get the Microsoft compiler (Express) and fix a couple bugs :) 12:22:32 Like, it crashes if you just close the terminal, rather than type "(quit)". 12:22:33 OR 12:22:36 elderK: Out of curiosity, why ecl? 12:22:37 If you C-C out of it. 12:22:46 Not really sure. An arbitrary pick. 12:22:51 I have CLISP and ECL installed, for playing with. 12:22:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:22:58 Clozure CL also works on Windows. 12:22:59 I chose CLISP and ECL for threading support and ECL's seems to be more stable. 12:23:02 SBCL too. 12:23:14 Also because it can easily integrate with C. 12:23:26 Is embeddable, etc. 12:23:33 SBCL is still kind of experimental on Windows, isn't it? 12:24:01 What implementations have decent support for threading? Like, kernel threads rather than emulated threads - grene. 12:24:04 *green? 12:24:10 Just wondering, cuz Clozure, and sbcl (was cmucl) are the free lisps that have always been on my radar. 12:24:35 elderK: the friendly windows fork of SBCL seems pretty good 12:24:45 I don't use windows, though, so it's all second-hand info 12:25:02 elderK: CCL has good threading support in all of its ports. 12:25:02 maxm: Do you think you will look at the asdf issue today? 12:25:14 elderK: what you wrote about bugs makes me think that ECL is kind of experimental on windows, too 12:25:23 elderK: something I noticed while doing a minitalk about lisp yesterday... there doesn't seem to be any serious green-thread lisp implementation 12:25:40 p_l:cmucl? 12:25:53 Not to mention Allegro. 12:25:55 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 12:26:06 or older lispworks 12:27:15 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.250.33] has joined #lisp 12:27:20 H4ns: I agree but from what I could read online, it's support seemed to be a little better. 12:27:27 well, *now*. Also, iirc, Allegro was for sometime doing "kernel threads, but global lock allows only one thread to run" 12:27:28 But again - I haven't really taken a serious look at CCL. 12:27:38 Or Allegro, LispWorks. 12:27:48 Allegro is pretty nice 12:27:54 I read a lot on SBCL - checking the Windows ports webpage - read what's still to be done, etc. 12:28:01 Proper multithreading was one of them 12:28:20 I want to use CL for commercial stuff, stuff I will sell and... wlel, I don't have the money to buy Allegro yet :P 12:28:27 And doesn't it have a crazy runtime charge? 12:28:42 elderK: it has "call us" pricing 12:28:50 it can go from free to horribly expensive, afaik 12:29:00 *p_l* had time-limited license for free, for example 12:29:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:29:34 Allegro pricing is flexible. If you think you might want it, they will let you use it while you figure it out. 12:29:42 Probably. 12:30:21 Aye 12:30:30 One thing that's important to me is use via command line. 12:30:37 that's why I said it goes the gamut from free to super expensive 12:30:59 elderK: the only one that doesn't allow use by CLI is LispWorks *personal* 12:31:09 at least I haven't seen any others 12:31:36 Also, I found SBCL to be REALLY SUPER MEGA ULTRA verbose when it came to it's display of errors. Like, even a simple error when typing a form would spam the screen with all kinds of crazy errors 12:31:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:31:57 It makes me a little sad that the majority of CL implementations target *NIX and have no workable Windows port :( 12:32:15 Or rather... free implementations. 12:32:16 So far. 12:32:22 :P I'm still new so... correct me if I'm wrong :) 12:32:28 elderK: ecl, clisp, ccl and sbcl have workable windows ports 12:32:41 knob [~knob@genesis.ballesterhermanos.com] has joined #lisp 12:32:55 I suppose gcl is as workable on windows as it is elsewhere. 12:32:56 CCL works fine on windows 12:33:01 pkhuong: ha ha ha 12:33:10 Good morning everyone =) 12:33:15 what's it with the recent mentioning of gcl in the internets? 12:33:24 September? 12:33:29 isn't it dead? is it because macsyma can be built with it? 12:33:43 Someone asked me about gcl support in Quicklisp 12:33:59 I am not inclined to accomodate an implementation for which (find-package "CL") => nil 12:34:01 H4ns: it's a feedback loop: we keep reminding ourselves that GCL exists. 12:34:48 pkhuong: i guess it is the "gnu" part in the name that makes it so attractive 12:34:50 I don't know. I looked at GCL - development still seems to be active although no binary releases and stuff are available on the website anymore. There's a lot of activity in the mailing lists. 12:34:59 :P GNU CLISP? 12:35:06 Didn't that become GNU's official CL implementation, replacing GCL? 12:35:13 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:18 tagging something with "GNU" doesn't always mean much 12:35:25 Aye. 12:35:37 Also, GCL is CLtL2 rather than actual CL, afaik. 12:35:46 Xach: tell that the freshmen who prefer stuff that has gnu in the name 12:36:22 Schelter's death probably had a negative impact on gcl. 12:36:22 heh 12:36:30 "you mean there were things that came BEFORE unix?" 12:36:37 snrk 12:36:59 "There were computers with non-multiplies-of-8 bit sizes?" 12:37:03 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-148-66.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:37:55 :P Yep. 12:38:01 PDP? 12:38:06 S1! 12:38:14 Ol' Burroughs machines! 12:38:20 Crazy old IBM machines! 12:38:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:38:36 I wonder how many processors throw a fault if you access data at an unaligned addresss. 12:38:54 X86 doesn't although the manual states that there is a performance hit for accessing unaligned data. 12:38:55 M68K, too. 12:39:55 elderK: Alpha does. IA64... not sure, probably settable, but it suffers *huge* performance loss on unaligned access (though in reality, the hit is pretty big on modern x86, afaik) 12:40:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:41:37 Alpha simply doesn't care about handling it in hw and throws a fit (unless, I guess, the PALcode has some tricks) 12:42:40 I'd love to play wiht a real Alpha. 12:42:47 AFAIK, there are Alpha emulators, some free. 12:42:55 :) Some people have run "Open Genera" on them. 12:43:12 You can do that on x8664 12:43:44 Emulate Alpha or run Genera? 12:44:00 And you should be able to emulate Alpha on X86_32 as well, provided you don't mind speed hit. 12:44:03 elderK: running OG on emulated alpha still requires having an old X11 server on hand 12:44:14 It does? 12:44:19 elderK: Run Genera. 12:44:21 I would've figured the alpha emulator would have all the stuff internally. 12:44:28 elderK: the only 32bit-running emulators are expensive, and only the expensive ones implement graphics 12:44:32 The precompiled unix one, you mean, moore33? 12:44:49 elderK: majority of Alpha emulators are targeted at headless servers 12:44:53 http://www.migrationspecialties.com/ ? 12:45:09 elderK: Yes, I've only played around with the image I downloaded from "somewhere." 12:45:58 -!- zmyrgel [~user@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:46:03 elderK: they are one of the providers. A more well known is Stromasys, which offers "Personal Alpha" which can run on 32bit windows 12:46:47 But no graphics? 12:47:06 As for emulated alpha, why old X11? Is that because Genera supports old X11 interface or something? 12:47:13 :) There's the TI Explorer emulators, too. 12:47:26 You don't want to code on alphas. IME, they're just a step below Itanium in obnoxiousness. 12:47:44 how so? 12:47:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:49:11 tons of gotchas in threaded code, exception handling is a bit weird, and performance is very finicky. 12:49:40 Gotchas like? 12:49:49 as for finicky, lots of restrictions? 12:50:37 elderK: read about memory barrier model in Linux, which is based on Alpha. Because Alpha had most strict one 12:50:51 (or "loose", depending on how you look at it) 12:51:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:51:27 -!- hkBst__ [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:50 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 12:52:29 kind of like the P4 or Itanium, in that if the stars align just right, you get awesome (for the time) performance, but tiny tweaks in the source would sometimes make your program run a lot slower. 12:52:55 :/ 12:53:30 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 12:54:26 pkhuong: except that IIRC P4 essentially sucked even when the stars aligned right (it was in reality a try at brute-forcing the performance by running at high clock) 12:54:38 and IA64... no branch prediction and such sucks 12:55:49 Melu [75cfa0a4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.207.160.164] has joined #lisp 12:56:45 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 12:56:51 IMO Alpha was still nice architecture, but it had quirks... and definitely wasn't targeted for ease of coding in assembly 12:57:32 b__ [~b__@89.184.179.185] has joined #lisp 12:57:45 I am a newbie in lisp world. I am developing a program which requires a large if-then-else ladder. Is there any way in which it can be implemented in lisp with ease? 12:57:49 Bah, Intel gets a lot of armchair chip designing for the P4. On the right workloads, you could get very solid runtimes. You "just" had to understand the trace engine well enough to code to it, if possible. 12:58:01 clhs cond 12:58:02 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/m_cond.htm 12:58:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:58:21 Melu: the cond is for you 12:58:45 Hello, I'm looking for a lisp implementation for MS-DOS (6.22) that fits on 2 floppy disks, any hits? 12:58:52 Thank you! I was using if-progn method till now :) 12:59:24 hints* 12:59:30 b__: try xlisp 13:00:48 okay H4ns, thanks 13:00:48 b__: http://www.almy.us/xlisp.html but note that this channel is about common lisp, which is very different. you'll need to find other support channels for xlisp. 13:00:54 sure 13:00:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:01:58 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:02:09 Xach: I'll commit a fix now, give me an hour 13:02:33 is there a common lisp implementation available too? 13:02:39 using asdf::getenv is a fine fix I assume? its only used in log4cl-test, to get TMP directory on windows 13:03:13 b__: common lisp pretty much requires a 32 bit system. 13:03:23 b__: why do you need to run lisp on ms-dos? 13:03:23 ah okay 13:03:42 because I found an old computer from ~1995 and I want to program it 13:03:59 b__: i'd suggest that you use a suitable programming environment for it :) 13:04:04 b__: turbo pascal is nice. 13:04:17 If it's a 1995 machine, it'll be 32bit? 13:04:30 :) I ran Windows 9x and NT4 back then :) 13:04:30 I just put Turbo C on 3 disks to try later 13:04:32 Ther'es OS/2, as well. 13:04:33 elderK: ms-dos is 16bit. 13:04:38 Yes, I know. 13:04:44 But there's no reason that he can't run a 32bit OS on that machine. 13:04:47 it's a laptop 13:04:47 really clunky 13:04:48 If it has a 32bit processor. 13:04:53 like 3mb RAM 13:04:56 o_O 13:05:00 in a 1995 machine? 13:05:02 What kind of laptop? 13:05:07 That's surprising ot me. 13:05:23 Then again, I had a Toshiba 2100 and that was 32bit but man, like, 8M or 4M of RAM. 13:05:29 I could run OS2 on it barely. 13:05:34 Man it was slow. 13:05:36 33MHz iirc. 13:05:38 Good times :) 13:05:40 actually, mines a toshiba too 13:05:43 Black and white screen, too. 13:05:46 yeah 13:05:54 Does yours have the "clit" style mouse? 13:05:56 Or "nub"? 13:05:58 am at work but I'll find a pic, one sec 13:06:03 tro [~tro@14-202-8-87.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:06:18 clit, yes hrhr 13:06:26 *p_l* notes he had a 64bit machine from 1994 13:06:27 haha 13:06:33 What one, p_l? 13:06:39 elderK: alpha 13:06:46 b__, I think I know the general form of your machine. 13:06:47 :D 13:06:49 resilent hw as hell 13:07:04 I had a teddy bear an dlego in 1994 :) 13:07:11 Way back when I was 7! 13:07:31 And wow, dragonflies fly at 22-34mph!? 13:07:38 10-15 meters per /second/ 13:07:41 elderK: I think we're talking about the same machine yes 13:07:42 That's pretty fast for a tiny insect. 13:07:46 http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1400/1366975822_cf9412b1fe_z.jpg 13:07:54 Maybe you could discuss it with private messages 13:08:06 b__: I use dto sit up late at night and play Doom in black'n'white on it. Had to make the screen small though to get reasonable performance. 13:08:14 I played around in Turbo C++ 3.1 :) 13:08:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:08:23 You can get TurboC for free easily these days, as you probably know. 13:08:30 :P Mione only had a 50MiB HDD, iirc. Mayb eless. 13:08:35 Maybe you could suggest something like that with a private message 13:08:38 And it's BIOS was really quirky. The hardware itself was. 13:08:42 ALSO. 13:08:47 OS2 ran okay :) 13:08:50 On that I used Watcom. 13:09:01 :P and I had to do allllll my transferring via serial/parallel 13:10:08 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:39 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:10:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:13:47 sams` [~sam@74.113.160.197] has joined #lisp 13:14:18 steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 13:14:44 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 13:16:04 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 13:16:22 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:16:39 -!- maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:17:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:17:11 [SLB]` [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 13:17:23 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 13:18:18 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 13:20:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:20:35 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:33 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A37C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:23:25 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-87-79-192-185.netcologne.de] has quit [] 13:23:52 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:24 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 13:24:58 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:25:23 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has left #lisp 13:26:19 RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has joined #lisp 13:26:38 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:23 can someone confirm asdf::getenv still exists in new asdf? coz I'm not sure where mine is loaded from and have no time to debug 13:27:28 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:28:08 maxm: I seem to have a function with that name. 13:28:10 asdf::getenv exists but is not exported 13:28:15 asdf-utils:getenv is exported 13:28:46 i'll do asdf::getenv for now, and put proper fix into dev branch, since its way diverged from master anyawy 13:28:55 sounds good, thanks! 13:29:28 p_l: Have yoi used Genera? 13:29:32 Was it as cool as it seems? 13:29:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:29:50 elderK: only a bit, and I had to deal with constant crashes due to X.Org 13:29:56 :( 13:29:59 so I can't really say 13:30:07 Were you running it on Alpha or x86? 13:30:12 I'm curious as to why you need X11. 13:30:13 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:14 amd64 13:30:17 Ah,okay. 13:30:19 That makes sense. 13:30:20 elderK: OpenGenera needs X11 anyway 13:30:25 Ahhhh, okay. 13:30:34 It's basically emulating a LispM isn't it? 13:30:43 OpenGenera uses X11 as its only graphics interface, afaik. 13:30:56 :D http://www.unlambda.com/ 13:31:24 alama [~textual@stgt-4d02dc1b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:30 elderK: VLM in OpenGenera is essentially equivalent of microcode in hw lispms, + some interfaces (network, basic storage) 13:31:47 Xach: should be all done 13:32:17 bitonic [~user@146.169.25.107] has joined #lisp 13:32:33 *maxm* had not been as active, but I'm plenty active internally.. If one can only buy time 13:33:24 p_l: Cool :) 13:33:33 It's a shame that hte LispM emulators aren't maintained anymore. 13:33:38 It'd be cool to play around in. 13:34:31 elderK: the TI Explorer one, Meroko, is in "hackable" condition I'd sat 13:34:32 *say 13:34:35 -!- tro [~tro@14-202-8-87.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:35:10 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:35:19 VLM could be used to reverse-engineer and write a simpler implementation (it's written in *very* tight assembly) 13:35:32 Meroko? 13:35:38 Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has joined #lisp 13:35:42 VLM? 13:35:48 Virtual lisp machine? 13:35:59 VLM = Virtual Lisp Machine = basis of OpenGenera 13:36:06 Meroko is the emulator of TI Explorer 13:36:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:22 aye but which one is assembly? 13:36:25 nevermore is in lisp :D 13:36:38 can't find the 36 changes link form mike-mac, it fails here that site! 13:38:10 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.47] has joined #lisp 13:38:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:39:47 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 13:40:11 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:40:35 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 13:40:55 elderK: VLM is written in... lisp-generated assembly. 13:42:33 *elderK* nods 13:43:26 I wonder how you'd implement a garbage collector in CL that didn't just allocate vectors and manage them but actually did it at the raw system level,if you get my meaning. 13:43:45 Like, if you implement a new lisp compiler or interpreter in Lisp, you're going to have to implement a garbage collector. 13:44:05 that is, if you want the code it uses to be yours rather than just reuse the host compiler's stuff. 13:44:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:45:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:45:23 or is that the way it's dione? Write an implementation in some other lisp, using it's garbage collector and stuff. You're interpreter is really just the host implementation's interpreter in a sense. 13:45:35 so, to me, I fail to see how that'd be creating a new implementation at all. 13:45:54 unless you wrote a basic lisp in some other language, then implemented the better lisp in that lisp. 13:45:59 bootstrap that way. 13:46:08 it's fun to ponder 13:46:09 :) 13:46:11 elderK: you write a GC. How you implement it is irrevelant as long as it runs properly 13:46:14 PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 13:46:16 elderK: one example is prescheme 13:46:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:46:20 Aye. 13:46:23 -!- PuercoPop is now known as Guest8509 13:46:36 p_l: But like... I don't know. 13:46:50 -!- Guest8509 is now known as PuercoPop 13:46:56 elderK: another could be generating native code from LAP and putting it into object file linked later 13:46:59 It's just like... how could it be a new implementation if that new implementation was really just using another's stuff behind the seens? 13:47:02 Yeah, exactly. 13:47:13 If it was a new implementation, I figure you'd do that. 13:47:22 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:22 You'd write the code to generate what you needed for the low-level stuff 13:47:25 then assemble that somehow. 13:47:45 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:47:50 I just wonder how you'd do it in a lisp-bottom-to-top way. No interaction with any other language bar assembly. 13:47:57 elderK: SBCL uses a bit of runtime support written in C to do stuff like that, and then compiles a cross compiler in host lisp, then builds itself using that compiler 13:48:15 aye 13:48:48 replace the C part with stuff generated from lisp, presto - a complete lisp implementation without other languages involved (that aren't hosted on lisp) 13:49:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:49:59 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:04 hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 13:50:43 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:07 lemoinem [~swoog@72.53.112.90] has joined #lisp 13:51:16 My brain still chokes on metacircular shit from time to time. 13:51:19 This is one of those times ;) 13:51:20 *:) 13:53:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-181.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:53:44 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the left-mouse-button works ok, but then trying to hold down the - key with it crashes my kde/kdm session..... 15:42:34 does that somewhere try to overload the pointer device ? and fails trying that ? garbling it maybe and so causing a buffer overflow somewhere or so ? 15:43:02 pnpuff` [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:43:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:43:40 i'm running kde/kdm without locking the tho..... 15:43:52 the session.... 15:44:46 any message in tty? 15:45:17 no, it totally crashes.... 15:45:31 wbooze: What command is bound to -? 15:45:32 a few seconds it's unresponsive maybe 2 or so 15:45:36 -!- pnpuff [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:45:41 nothing hereover 15:45:48 - is - 15:45:53 just a char 15:46:08 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 15:46:29 Ok, so your CLIM stuff is just tracking pointer and button events? 15:46:37 -!- 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[~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:54 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-223-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:54 anyone here have any experience with ningle? 16:03:54 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:04:06 trying out here, but not sure if I'm doing things the right way 16:04:23 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:30 Krystof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 16:04:45 anyone 'ave 'perience 'th poo pooo 16:05:36 paul0: i haven't tried it, but it looks pretty simple 16:05:58 dude, what a name! ningle, does that say anything ? 16:06:16 wbooze: Enough babbling for today. 16:06:22 recently all name giving seems to gone dongs! 16:06:56 kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-236-81.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 16:07:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:07:57 http://pastebin.com/njBLYtAb 16:08:22 here is, not sure if i really need format, but just passing my test function doesn't work 16:08:55 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:09:07 paul0: how did you pass your test function, how did it not work? 16:09:37 paul0: is the problem maybe that your lambda accepts one argument but your test function does not? 16:10:39 cpc26 [~user@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 16:11:00 when i use #'(my-test) it says it's not a legal function name 16:11:15 that is very illegal 16:11:19 lol 16:11:26 Natch [~Natch@c-eccde155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 16:11:32 try #'my-test 16:11:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.34.31.160] has joined #lisp 16:11:34 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@5.34.31.160] has quit [Changing host] 16:11:34 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:11:37 #'my-test is the way to refer to a function named MY-TEST 16:12:00 tried that too, let me see the error 16:12:32 *Xach* guesses along H4ns's lines: invalid number of arguments: 1 16:12:36 invalid number of arguments: 1 16:12:42 haha 16:13:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:13:31 Is there some way in SLIME to get METHOD documentation? I.e., if you ask for documentation for a symbol that names a generic function, see docstrings for all methods for that gf? 16:14:32 rpg: If you ask describe-function (or smth) I think it shows you the docs for all methods too. But most standard methods in sbcl don't have any docs. Haven't tried it in other lisps. 16:15:12 slime-describe-function 16:15:13 paul0: so your function must take one argument 16:15:31 paul0: i suspect if you get that part right, it will fail due to returning an integer where a string is expected 16:16:35 naryl: Thanks. But I'm looking at the results of slime-describe-function and I see only the generic function docstring. (also it's cluttered with other describe output). 16:17:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:17:34 Xach: should I use format to return my funcion value? 16:17:57 paul0: that's one option. there are many ways to get a string representation of an object. 16:17:57 regarding all the "let's sandbox a lisp" question. I apparently just broke two semi-sandboxed irc bots with (optimize (safety 0) (speed 3)) :3 16:18:10 rpg: At least does it show you the list of methods for the generic? 16:18:31 naryl: Yep. 16:18:50 Should be possible to find out what it does and throw together something I want based on that; thanks! 16:18:57 Methods probably just don't have any docs. 16:19:13 naryl: No, they are my methods: they *do* have docs. 16:19:41 *rpg* wonders if he's unusual in interactively using DOCUMENTATION in CL... Perhaps legacy of symbolics usage... 16:20:02 I tend to use describe 16:20:56 Xach: cool, tried write-to-string, it works 16:21:37 but when I eval my function, it doesn't update the server, I have to evail the code that sets the route again 16:22:38 any reason for that? Thought it would update automatically 16:23:05 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23:36 p_l: Right, but if you just want the docstrings, that gives a display cluttered with irrelevancies. Maybe this is the opp for me to add something back to SLIME.... 16:23:52 smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:25:20 -!- guaqua [gua@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:22 -!- brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:27 guaqua [gua@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #lisp 16:26:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:26:56 steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has joined #lisp 16:27:17 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-102.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:28:01 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:13 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:28:16 thedeadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:28:33 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:31:44 anyway, thanks H4ns and Xach, having a web server to try things out will make things much more interesting :) 16:32:11 when I get better with cl, emacs and slime, I'll try out weblocks 16:32:30 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has joined #lisp 16:32:57 -!- chturne [~chturne@78-105-198-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:33:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:33:24 paul0: use more indirection. use 'my-test instead. 16:36:11 Vicfred [~Grothendi@201.102.55.235] has joined #lisp 16:36:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:39:37 Xach: MY-TEST fell through ETYPECASE expression. 16:39:48 if i use 'my-test instead of #'my-test 16:40:00 interesting 16:40:41 what is this etypecase? 16:41:40 paul0: it looks like something in ningle accepts only a limited set of things. it could (but does not) accept a symbol to represent a function to call. 16:42:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:42:37 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #lisp 16:42:43 got it 16:46:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:50:08 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 16:50:24 -!- thedeadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:50:56 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has left #lisp 16:51:08 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 16:51:51 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-160-39-231-154.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 16:52:55 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 16:53:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:53:34 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 16:54:18 -!- Mon_Ouie [~Mon_Ouie@subtle/user/MonOuie] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:57:16 can I do the same with flet that I can do with let concerning changing variables inside called functions? 16:58:19 reactormonk: flet is for binding names to functions. it's not really typical to change functions like you change variables. 16:58:28 pavelpenev [~quassel@79.143.47.212] has joined #lisp 16:58:50 why not? 16:58:55 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:58 -!- brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:59:49 -!- sams` [~sam@74.113.160.197] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.50.5] 17:00:00 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 17:01:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:02:15 pnpuff`: Possibly because there isn't anything like setf for it. 17:04:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:06:47 Xach, defun + function reference + apply? 17:07:06 reactormonk: Sorry, I don't really understand the question. 17:07:56 Xach, (defun adder (a b) (+ a b)) (flet ((adder (lambda (a b) (* a b))) (adder 2 3)) 17:08:26 That's not how flet works. 17:09:49 eh, rather (defun adder (a b) (+ a b)) (flet ((+ (lambda (a b) (* a b))) (adder 2 3)) 17:09:53 Xach, how does it work then? 17:10:03 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 17:10:29 (flet ((adder (a b) (* a b))) ...) 17:10:38 fihi09`` [~user@pool-96-224-36-198.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:11:00 The consequences of locally binding standard functions are undefined 17:11:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:11:35 -!- fihi09` [~user@pool-71-190-74-76.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:08 Also, FLET introduces lexical bindings, so it wouldn't dynamically change the behavior of a previous DEFUN out of lexical scope. 17:12:30 It can in theory be a problem with macros 17:12:34 Xach, replace + and * with something different, my question is wherever flet can be used to relink a function as let can relink a "global variable" 17:13:08 reactormonk: No. LET introduces a new dynamic binding, but FLET and LABELS are purely lexical. 17:13:20 worth a try 17:13:21 or rather, it introduces a new dynamic binding when the variable bound is special 17:13:44 aren't functions special by default? 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17:18:27 functions aren't variables 17:18:46 oGMo, isn't a function a lambda bound to a name? 17:18:52 reactormonk: no 17:19:33 I don't know much about Scheme, but that statement seems like it would be more accurate in Scheme than CL 17:19:33 does anyone know why drawing a line in mcclim always draws the same and wrong thing ? here http://paste.lisp.org/display/132531 17:19:43 well... sorta. A symbol has at least 3 slots, iirc (well, documentation support is also guaranteed, so let's say 4), and one of them is "function", the other is "value" 17:19:50 fbound, to be pedantic, but it's important .. much like a hash value isn't a value bound to a name without context 17:19:52 or do i need special coord transforms or so ? 17:20:09 oGMo, a name in the function space then? 17:20:32 -!- varjagg [u4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zddytojriqhlbytp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:40 i initially wanted to make a triangle that's why it's named all like that, but i stopped at that draw-line thing.... 17:20:56 reactormonk: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? 17:21:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:13 brandonz [~brandon@24.38.179.215] has joined #lisp 17:21:45 ContextL provides a system for dynamic binding of functions, IIRC. 17:21:48 Or maybe that's AspectL. 17:22:41 oGMo, just reading yet another lisp book 17:22:43 For Quicklisp's second birthday I just got spam from someone offering to write free advertorial content for Quicklisp's blog. 17:23:47 free ? 17:23:53 he doesn't want to pay ? 17:23:55 lol 17:23:55 contextl does it. the papers on it mention them being based on special functions, to. 17:23:59 too 17:24:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:24:22 mcsontos [~mcsontos@77.240.184.15] has joined #lisp 17:26:04 srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 17:26:09 -!- aegray [~agjohnst@38.122.189.222] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:26:13 DrPete [~DrPete@unaffiliated/drpete] has joined #lisp 17:26:17 stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 17:28:24 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:29:43 ivan-kanis [~user@lns-c10k-ft-02-t2-89-83-137-164.dsl.sta.abo.bbox.fr] has joined #lisp 17:30:18 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 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Thanks 18:49:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:10 -!- PuffTheMagic [u3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-miqhxkherluowqfw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:29 slyrus [~chatzilla@adsl-99-183-243-129.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:40 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uqdjhnkheofjhrdw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:40 -!- dotemacs [u801@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oklhhribdhcighap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:40 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-osxyggzhbhqabnki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:01 fewwwww 18:52:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:52:29 changing handle-repaint's name was bloody..... 18:52:59 NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwnhoraaksjpxmkb] has joined #lisp 18:53:06 now the repaint works even eheh 18:56:41 faust45 [~faust45@204-125-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 18:56:47 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:58:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58:38 -!- Swampert [u6439@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvemjnkwzwfimwqt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:38 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dwnhoraaksjpxmkb] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:25 justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:00:30 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #lisp 19:01:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:02:38 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:04:24 -!- xpoqz [~xpoqz@203.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:18 NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcjxsrihodcmfpgi] has joined #lisp 19:08:08 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 19:08:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:15 -!- varjagg [u4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-shxhmjppduktaohf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:32 -!- NimeshNeema [u2689@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qcjxsrihodcmfpgi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:59 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wdjfwtulicvdtlrw] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:51 rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-iifqtqckeoxuazot] has joined #lisp 19:11:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:12:17 mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has joined #lisp 19:13:33 varjagg [u4973@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-letkmhwyzvxnrovc] has joined #lisp 19:14:22 -!- Ralith [~ralith@d142-058-092-023.wireless.sfu.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:16:24 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 19:17:36 estefani [~canaima@190.200.20.138] has joined #lisp 19:17:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:42 eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-217-100-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 19:18:51 dude, is that some remote shit you give to me ? 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20:14:56 commonqt, I think 20:15:12 gaze__: HTML 20:15:36 clim is just... so nice. hahah 20:16:26 -!- PuercoPop [~user@190.41.173.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:16:38 wellllllllllllllllll 20:16:49 *jasom* likes LTK 20:17:00 *homie* likes mcclim 20:17:23 *homie* is still in the adoption phase tho 20:17:35 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:56 ltk has the advantage that it has (so far) worked on every lisp implementation and OS combination I've tried it on. That's really the only thing it has going for it though 20:18:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:18:33 i seen it fail too! 20:18:36 lol 20:19:37 of course a lot of people seem to like hunchentoot+firefox for a gui solution... 20:21:17 -!- mpstyler [~mpstyler@176.73.151.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:22:27 pnpuff`` [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 20:22:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:23:32 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-25-86.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 20:25:53 -!- pnpuff` [~aeiou@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:28:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:32:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 !tragaperras 20:33:41 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I am looking for the ability to do something like (get-the-values-for-tag) and have it return a list of values associated with "tag" 23:23:28 i appreciated cxml 23:23:51 and i'd guess that it's one of the more sane choices, perhaps the most sane. i haven't tried many though 23:24:04 okay 23:24:07 I will give it a go 23:24:11 Thank you. 23:24:30 wolgo: check the documentation, it's a bit large, but it'll give you an idea of what kind of library it is. if you want something really lightweight, cxml probably isn't it. 23:24:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:25:24 Okay, I want easy and well designed. I will rtfm. 23:25:40 cxml is very nice 23:26:06 note that it has three different parser types (sax, dom and klacks) 23:26:14 from what you mentioned, you probably want dom 23:26:14 *madnificent* didn't find cxml very easy, but it was well designed. in hindsight, i liked it. 23:27:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:30:19 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-4-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:29 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-4-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:31 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 23:33:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:35:31 pirateking9_9 [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 23:36:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:37:13 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:37:16 -!- pirateking9_9 is now known as pirateking-_- 23:43:18 francogrex [~francogre@109.130.2.7] has joined #lisp 23:43:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:44:02 -!- ANDRES1 [~ANDRES1@201.209.38.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:46:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:46:56 -!- smazga [~acrid@li336-165.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 23:48:28 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75f16b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:48 Mainly for what sort of programming tasks do you use lisp? I use it for ststistical data analysis. 23:48:59 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 23:49:05 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-4-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:37 -!- cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52:59 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:53:35 i use it to make big posters 23:53:52 a marriage made in heavan 23:53:55 "heaven" argh 23:54:31 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 23:54:53 cnl [~pony@95.106.8.79] has joined #lisp 23:54:56 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 23:55:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:56:12 -!- scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has quit [Client Quit] 23:56:23 -!- francogrex [~francogre@109.130.2.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:58:28 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 23:58:41 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-]