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[~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:19:34 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-173-73-125-152.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:21:12 syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-207-10-141-10.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 03:21:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:26:08 cobra-the-joker [~cobra@unaffiliated/cobra-the-joker] has joined #lisp 03:26:14 -!- BountyX [~andrew@76.14.65.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:26:35 HEy there ... is lisp considered an AI language ? 03:26:41 doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 03:27:48 yes, it is considered an "AI language" by many people who don't actually know it 03:28:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:28:41 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:28:43 Common Lisp is a general-purpose programming language. When it was invented, AI was popular and it was good at the kind of programming AI involved back then, and it was unusual, so people thought of it as an "AI language", and that notion stuck. 03:29:14 "a langauge that became popular with AI researchers" perhaps ? 03:29:28 because it is descriptive perhaps ? 03:29:35 some lisps ability to rewrite its own code perhaps ... 03:29:39 Common Lisp is good for many tasks; AI does not particularly stand out. 03:29:48 (not modern AI, anyway.) 03:30:01 aha 03:30:13 so it's a good functional language to begin with 03:30:37 ? 03:31:20 i got into haskell and i liked the whole functional thing ... but then some people say that lisp is better and more usefull sometimes 03:31:35 it's a good language to begin with. it got associated with AI because symbolic processing is trivial in it, and symbolic AI is what AI researchers were doing. 03:31:35 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:32:35 Lisp is versatile. AI is whatever people don't know how to do yet. Hence Lisp is good at AI. 03:32:39 Whatever "AI" is. 03:33:41 One thing i find odd ... why aren't S-Expressions more commonplace as a data exchange format 03:33:53 they are trivial to write a reader for 03:34:02 why is XML used so much 03:35:17 but why the lisp.org website doesn't have anything related to lisp :( 03:35:52 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 03:36:00 try cliki.net 03:38:22 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:40:46 Bike: why is that anyway ? 03:41:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:43:21 doomlord, because S-Expressions are not standardized enough? 03:43:51 what is there to standardize 03:43:59 cobra-the-joker: Why is what. 03:44:26 Bike: the lisp.org doesn't have any info on it ! 03:45:13 I don't know? You can't just type [thing].org and always get the hub of information on that thing. 03:47:48 i am getting a conflict loading xcvb-utils from quicklisp with ccl 03:47:51 Importing ALEXANDRIA.0.DEV:COPY-FILE to # would conflict with inherited symbol COPY-FILE . 03:48:08 selecting the CONTINUE restart seems to have no bad effects...is this safe to assume? 03:48:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:50:34 hum, why don't I see this error? 03:51:32 i am using ccl on arm 03:51:32 axion: I suspect you have an old version of some of these libraries, that fails to (:use) in defpackage, which in CCL defaults to using a whole lot of crap. 03:51:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 03:52:20 ok i'll try that 03:52:21 axion: you can grab the latest xcvb-utils by hand, or edit its packages.lisp to (:use) in defpackage -- or maybe the (:use) is in fare-utils's defpackage-mix 03:53:18 yup, it's a breakage in fare-utils 03:53:30 my apologies 03:53:36 should be fixed in next quicklisp 03:53:58 or you have to git clone git://common-lisp.net/users/frideau/fare-utils.git 03:54:07 somewhere in your asdf source-registry 03:54:35 ok thanks :) 03:54:36 -!- lcc [~lcc@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:55:12 also, 3 more conflicts after that 03:57:52 :-/ 03:58:01 I remember fixing those bugs some time ago. 03:58:21 Things might work better on sbcl, on which I am usually developing. 03:58:47 axion: but I do use ccl once in a while, and fix bugs when I'm told about them. 03:58:48 GETENV, QUIT, and DIRECTORY_PATHNAME-P 03:58:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:06 axion: what are you trying to do? 03:59:23 i'm just trying to load weblocks on ccl, as i dev on ARM now 03:59:26 might be the same root cause, the missing (:use) 03:59:30 switching from sbcl 03:59:34 ok 03:59:41 yeah, get the latest fare-utils 03:59:54 how does weblocks depend on xcvb-utils? 03:59:54 ok 04:00:06 i am not sure 04:00:36 anyway -- I've made a lot of changes in this infrastructure the last month or two 04:00:45 broke and fixed a lot 04:01:01 sea4ever [~user@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has joined #lisp 04:01:03 how do I use + or - as chars, like in a char-equal statement I want to see if something is equal to + or - 04:01:05 you can grab the fixes by cloning my git repos 04:01:12 or wait for the next quicklisp release 04:01:17 #\+ 04:01:22 thanks :) 04:01:29 are you sure you don't want the symbols? '+ 04:01:38 I'm not sure... 04:01:39 -!- sea4ever [~user@unaffiliated/sea4ever] has left #lisp 04:01:43 I have (+ P) in a list 04:01:50 and I need to pull that first char out and compare it 04:01:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:01:57 and do something if it's + and something else if it's - 04:03:14 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:21 say I have (+ P) in a variable, x 04:03:33 how do I pull that first element out to compare it? 04:03:46 I'm using (first x) but when I compare it says it's not a character 04:03:48 what is it stored as? 04:04:03 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 04:04:07 and how can I ... cast it I guess 04:05:10 I have this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/65681253/neg.lsp 04:05:42 I just want to replace + with - and - with + in a list given to it like (+ someotherstuff) 04:07:05 I'm looking here http://zvon.org/other/elisp/Output/SEC70.html but I feel like there is probably some super simple way to do this that I'm unaware of (not that my code works anyway) 04:08:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:11:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:15:50 not the first char -- the first SYMBOL 04:15:58 welcome to symbolic computation 04:16:27 (defun invert-sign (x) (ecase x ((+) '-) ((-) '+))) 04:16:32 then, use mapcar 04:17:02 any opinions on lisp vs haskell implementations performance 04:17:17 Fare: you asked and it seems weblocks depends on fare-matcher. 04:17:18 but before that, defun invert-proposition-sign that inverts just the sign 04:17:29 hm ok this is a lot to take in 04:17:32 I get the symbol part 04:17:38 looking up ecase and mapcar and all that 04:17:54 doomlord, both can be performant. I suppose haskell can be closer to assembler, but it's going to be painful. 04:18:05 not that performant lisp won't be painful 04:18:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:19:53 you might have to define a function for acting on the first element of a list 04:20:26 (defun foo (fun list) ... returns the list with first element transformed by funcall'ing fun...) 04:20:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:21:29 axion: oh, and I had fare-matcher depend on xcvb-utils so it can use alexandria:list-of and not create a clash with list-of or some such? 04:21:41 axion: thanks 04:21:59 doomlord, there is more method to haskell's madness, I believe 04:22:56 Derk: maybe you need the little lisper 04:27:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:27:34 Derk: decompose your problem into simpler ones, until you can do one step 04:27:52 ah 04:27:55 I got it 04:27:58 with the ecase thing 04:28:06 but I didn't need to use mapcar 04:28:11 I'm just trying to swap the first element 04:28:37 ok -- how do you do this? 04:28:50 do you record your test cases with 5am or such? 04:28:55 (defun negate (x) 04:28:55 (cons (ecase (first x) ((+) '-) ((-) '+)) (rest x))) 04:29:04 no, I don't know what a test case is 04:29:16 you mentioned it before 04:29:36 (assert (equal (negate '(+ x)) '(- x))) 04:29:41 that's a test case 04:30:28 I would still factor that through invert-sign or sign-invert or sign-negate or however you call it 04:30:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:30:44 ok, so I throw that in the lisp... listener? 04:30:46 and it says nil 04:30:48 what does that mean 04:31:02 and let me go back and look at that invert-sign thing you wrote before too 04:31:03 try a false assertion instead 04:31:35 using stefil, you'd use (is ...) instead of (assert ...) 04:31:46 I'm not using either of them... 04:31:51 I've just got clisp 04:31:54 5am, I'm not sure 04:32:01 dataJ [~david@cpc4-with5-2-0-cust838.1-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:12 I did (assert (equal (negate '(+ x)) '(+ x))) 04:32:27 that gives me an error and says it has to evaluate to a non-nil value 04:32:44 I don't know what good output or bad output is here, and I guess I need to look up assert 04:34:54 assertions let you find out if your code works or not 04:35:11 very good tool -- especially when you go a-changing your program. 04:35:46 another good book for noobs is HtDP - though it's using Racket, not CL. 04:35:56 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:36:29 -!- syamajala [~syamajala@dyn-207-10-141-10.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:37:06 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37:10 ok I got that the nil value returned for the first assert is good 04:37:23 and that you are supposed to get an error if it's not true 04:37:33 which I got 04:37:41 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:37:54 in the second case 04:38:06 now, what is this fiveam you have mentioned a couple of times 04:38:10 how does that plug in to clisp 04:38:22 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-150.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 04:39:08 and wouldn't it be overkill for the one program I'm writing that is probably going to be 60 lines and the input is guaranteed to be formatted properly and all that? 04:40:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:40:15 fiveam is a testing framework 04:40:46 I am reading the documentation though it's quite terse 04:41:06 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-zhyzfysxgdbaikej] has joined #lisp 04:41:07 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-zhyzfysxgdbaikej] has quit [Changing host] 04:41:07 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 04:41:48 Derk: as we say in the business, your program ain't finished until you wrote the tests. 04:42:27 though in this 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Compare both versions and decide for yourself if lisp is more an AI language than Java. 10:01:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:02:17 doomlord: sexps are standardized. See http://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/sexp.html (it's the Rivest of RSA). 10:04:28 doomlord: xml is more popular than sexp for the same reason McDonalds is more popular than El Bulli. 10:04:43 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 10:05:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:05:17 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:05:42 nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 10:05:43 axion: it's not safe to assume that using a continue continuation on symbol name collision will always do what you want: the two copy-file functions may have different signatures, or different behavior! 10:06:22 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:06:49 canoso` [~user@168.pool85-53-45.dynamic.orange.es] has joined #lisp 10:12:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:13:56 pjb: those are not exactly CL sexps, are they 10:14:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:15:36 also, there is a considerable distance between "standardized" and "some dude has some sort of spec on his web site" 10:16:12 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 10:18:43 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:21:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:23:34 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:02 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 10:25:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:25:44 cmm: doomlord didn't say "CL sexps" right? 10:26:07 -!- bitonic [~user@027cae25.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:32:39 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:37:14 -!- jdz [~jdz@85.254.212.248] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 10:37:26 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:40:58 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:50 Did someone say sexps vs xml? I think I got a million Naggum archive links for that one :) 10:42:28 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:42:40 Kvaks [~quassel@95.161.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 10:44:29 :-) 10:44:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:45:22 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-246.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:45:50 And json got us about half-way to lisp, so I'd give it another couple of decades, we'll get there eventually :) 10:46:21 cmm: they're not exactly CL sexp. 10:47:02 That said, a few programs use sexps for their private file format. 10:47:07 Eg. 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They're not, even though the basics are pretty solid and commonly understood 11:15:57 In CL, with reader macros, sexps can be anything. 11:15:58 but details such as "what characters exactly are allowed in symbols without || quotes?" will get you if you're not careful 11:16:10 or the existence of || quotes itself 11:16:11 "sexp" really designates the data structure, not the external form. 11:16:26 mathrick: indeed *read-base* etc. 11:16:31 pjb: that is true, but then you get into the definition of "atoms" 11:16:37 and the problems still continue 11:16:51 and whether nil is a list, etc. 11:17:00 (damn scheme) 11:17:14 Hence rivest 11:17:31 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:18:59 it's a pity though that the lispish DSSSL was dropped and replaced by the XSLT insanity 11:19:29 the semantics of the thing are complex enough already without a braindead external representation 11:20:09 ikki [~ikki@189.247.242.218] has joined #lisp 11:22:31 Q: 11:22:45 *easye* begs your pardon. "Wrong window." 11:22:50 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 11:25:24 easye: is that an emoticon for "I'm a weepinbell"? 11:25:26 (http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/weepinbell.gif) 11:25:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:26:36 *easye* laughs. 11:27:25 Nope. Much less interesting the abbreviation for "Question" in a document I am composing. 11:27:30 ahh 11:27:51 it confused me since there was no actual question following the Q: 11:27:59 A Pokemon reference, huh? 11:28:54 yeah, though my familiarity with them pokemans is superficial at best 11:29:25 Better than mine. 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