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04:04:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:07:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has joined #lisp 04:07:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has quit [Changing host] 04:07:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:07:15 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:07:42 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 04:08:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:39 nydel: C-c C-l 04:15:43 careful, that loads the file. if you're not in a file-backed buffer, use slime-eval-buffer 04:15:54 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:16:14 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:17:46 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 04:18:07 oh yeah, sorry 04:18:22 I'm on my first day of this 04:20:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:22:37 hah, no worries (: 04:23:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:23:13 it's a subtle difference, but cl is all about the subtle differences (: 04:25:14 thom_logn [~thom@pool-173-67-109-10.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 04:25:21 i finally got things setup the way i want to to start learning lisp :D 04:25:36 for now at least 04:25:40 yay, Orpheus! best of luck on the journey (: 04:25:47 thanks antifuchs 04:26:01 now......to learning! wooooo! 04:26:25 are you reading Practical Common Lisp too, Orpheus ? 04:27:10 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:27:14 that and land of lisp 04:27:58 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 04:28:16 cool 04:28:21 I'm reading PCL 04:28:36 Honestly I don't like the art style in LoL at all 04:28:42 but it's supposed to be good 04:30:26 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:32:43 i wish i had paper copies but my school and any other libaries in their book sharing system 04:32:43 doesnt have it in stock 04:33:22 they are both good so far. 04:34:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:35:00 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:12 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:36:43 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 04:39:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:43:16 benny [~user@i577A8957.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 04:44:36 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:44:56 kangtu 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Thanks in advance! 04:46:53 I use SBCL 04:46:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:49:17 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:50:15 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:51:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:52:49 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:04 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 04:53:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:54:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 04:55:59 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:57:37 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:58:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:01:54 -!- kangtu [~kangtu@c-76-104-226-166.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:05:16 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-15.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:09:11 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.202.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:09:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:13:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has joined #lisp 05:13:45 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has quit [Changing host] 05:13:45 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 05:14:11 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:16:14 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:18:48 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:54 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 05:20:39 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 05:21:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:26:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:27:54 thanks Rakko & antifuchs 05:29:03 actually i get "not conected" when i try that 05:30:24 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:30:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:30:53 do M-x slime first 05:31:32 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:32:22 thanks Rakko 05:32:37 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.202.90] has joined #lisp 05:33:04 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:33:36 Rakko: this program is a cl script. every time i compile it inside lisp i have to delete the first line "#!/path/to/lisp" - is there a way around that? 05:33:45 sathosh_kr [~chatzilla@117.206.129.212] has joined #lisp 05:33:54 nydel: yes. Implement a reader macro for #!. 05:34:10 clisp provides one by default. IIRC, SBCL also has something for that. 05:34:34 pjb: actually i'm just going to put a shell script somewhere that does "lisp file.lisp $*" 05:34:41 that's not too lazy is it 05:35:02 (and remove the first line from the file) 05:35:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:36:02 (set-dispatch-macro-character #\# #\! (lambda (s c n) (declare (ignore c n)) (read-line s) (values))) 05:36:25 pjb: you're such a dear. thank you 05:36:34 nydel: but we don't usually compile scripts. (or else we call them programs). 05:37:00 So just having #!/usr/bin/lisp on the first line, and chmod a+x the script should be enough to be able to run it with ./script 05:37:16 pjb: i'm confused by that. my impression of "compile" involves an output binary 05:37:32 nydel: some implementations have an option to compile when loading such scripts. #!/usr/bin/clisp -C 05:37:46 does that result in a binary executable? 05:37:56 nydel: Only compile-file produces a binary file. compile or -C do it in core. 05:38:16 !compile-file 05:38:22 rats. 05:38:26 #!/usr/bin/clisp -C is often slower than #!/usr/bin/clisp since the former must compile the script every time it's launched, while the later just executes it. 05:38:36 clhs compile-file 05:38:36 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_cmp_fi.htm 05:39:31 sbcl compiles everything, unless you force it not to. 05:40:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:40:08 So #!/usr/bin/sbcl is equivalent to #!/usr/bin/clisp -C 05:40:40 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 05:40:55 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:42:15 pjb: if i wanna compile foo.lisp to foo, what would the compile-file form be? i did (compile-file "foo.lisp" "foo") but that gave me "odd number of arguments" 05:42:34 With clisp, you can just add a #!/usr/bin/clisp at the front of a .fas file to make it a script. 05:42:50 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 05:43:02 (compile-file "foo.lisp" :output-file "foo") 05:43:28 ohh right. that's called a key, is it? 05:43:56 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:44:39 yay fun fun fun. thanks pjb 05:45:09 I would do that: (with-open-file (script "foo" :direction :output :if-does-not-exist :create :if-exists :supersede) (write-line "#!/usr/bin/clisp -ansi -q" script) (with-open-file (in (compile-file "foo.lisp")) (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.stream:copy-stream in out))) 05:45:18 then (ext:shell "chmod a+r foo") 05:45:24 then (ext:shell "./foo") 05:45:57 nydel: otherwise, have a look at saving executable images. For programs. 05:46:31 http://www.cliki.net/Creating%20Executables 05:47:06 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.196.235] has joined #lisp 05:47:12 pjb: wonderful! 05:47:48 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 05:47:50 there are a lot of situations where i use lisp called by php on a webpage and i think executables will be faster 05:48:32 clisp loads fast. So scripts are good enough for CGI or scripts called from PHP. 05:48:32 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 05:48:43 -!- drl [~drl@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 05:48:51 If you're after performance, just write it in hunchentoot instead of php. 05:50:01 pjb: someone told me not to use cgi for lisp (or not to use cgi for anything) why would that be? 05:50:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:50:46 on my web host i can't configure apache or anything otherwise every index.php of mine would be index.lisp 05:50:46 For the same reason calling a script from php is bad: because it forks a new process at each request, which must connect to databases, load the state, compute a small thing and return the result before losing all that state again. 05:51:27 nydel: then change the hosting. Any dedicated server let you do whatever you want, and nowadays you can find dedicated virtual servers for ~10 05:52:04 pjb: happen to know a good host specifically friendly to lisp people? 05:52:14 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 05:53:12 for example http://www.memset.com/dedicated-servers/vps/ 05:53:23 When you have a dedicated server, you install whatever you want on it. 05:53:44 pjb: for laughs, if you wanna see where i am now: http://www.hostgator.com 05:54:44 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:54:52 -!- vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:55:06 vwvwvwv [~vwvwvwv@99-130-100-63.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:55:28 It's about the same price: http://www.hostgator.com/vps-hosting/ 05:55:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:56:11 Now of course, you can ask http://tech.coop ; they're THE lisp friendly hosting people :-) 05:59:24 wow, tech.coop doesn't even have useless columns in their pricing plans ("setup fee: $0" etc) lol 06:00:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:01:02 i think i'll go with memset since i can cancel for 7 days, then if i like a vps i'll get one at tech.coop. 06:01:53 pjb: why does it cost extra to have cPanel on a vps? 06:02:00 isn't it just software? 06:02:16 night 06:02:21 You have to find a reason why you transfer debt from one person to another. 06:02:34 night Rakko 06:02:39 -!- sathosh_kr [~chatzilla@117.206.129.212] has left #lisp 06:02:57 ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@pool-71-116-78-211.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:02:58 For example, I could set up a server, and render each unix command rare by putting a counter on them and invoicing each command invokation. 06:03:20 -!- Rakko [~rakko@96-42-31-132.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Bye] 06:04:09 Or I could 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perf? 10:57:42 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:58:14 moore33: I only used the counters, but it should just work, modulo gc. 10:58:24 sb-sprof should help you map addresses to code objects. 10:59:30 pkhuong: Cool, thanks for the tip. It has been years since I've done hacking on this level... does sbcl move code around during gc? For some reason, I think that ccl does not. 11:00:05 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-045-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 11:00:42 SBCL does. I'd just play generation tricks to stop things from moving around, or ignore samples across which a GC happened (gc-epoch is useful there) 11:00:42 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-42-46.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:35 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 11:01:37 I've started hacking on an OpenGL "scene graph" in Lisp, and I will be interested to see if clos dispatch time is particularly significant. 11:01:53 and sb-sprof doesn't cut it? 11:02:03 I don't know. 11:02:36 I say "perf" because I like perf very much. 11:02:57 But it looks like sb-sprof would do nicely. 11:03:47 Does sb-sprof deal with ffi land too? 11:04:24 Not that much detail is available in the OpenGL driver... nor does it matter much. 11:05:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:05:02 moore33: same as perf: only with framepointer-enabled code 11:05:31 Yeah, but perf at least shows the current function without a framepointer. 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2 2) 14:38:02 ; The above lines evaluates to 4 14:38:04 ; If I run the script, no output 14:38:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:39:03 hmm, I might be wrong but I think you should actually output it to the standard output for it to show 14:39:09 the REPL does it automatically but scripts might be different 14:39:15 e.g. (format t "~a" (+ 2 2)) 14:39:45 santhosh: you do need to print the result to see it 14:39:46 mmm: but #sbcl exist? 14:40:10 oh, "~a~%" for a newline 14:40:43 I tried (write-line (+ 2 2)) but got the error "The value 4 is not of type STRING" 14:41:27 What I know is write-line can accept only strings not numbers 14:41:38 What function can accept numbers 14:41:46 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 14:41:56 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-40-14.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:41:59 princ and format comes to mind 14:43:28 lggr 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Where is the link to the ANSI standard itself? 14:54:19 yes that is the standard. ANSI has crummy scans of paper printouts. 14:54:20 hmm, I'm not completely sure but it should have the same content as the actual standard 14:54:51 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:55:01 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:55:19 So the ansi standard is not open to the public? 14:55:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:55:51 you could buy it from ANSI 14:56:16 santhosh: The standard is the ANSI standard. 14:59:42 bzzbzz [~Franco@modemcable216.122-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 15:00:40 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 15:00:48 -!- bzzbzz [~Franco@modemcable216.122-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 15:01:50 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 15:02:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02:35 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:02:49 santhosh, depends 15:03:05 are you interested in bad quality "official" stamps? 15:03:18 or are you interested in what other people actually read? 15:03:34 santhosh: the stamps are literal here. 15:04:02 You mean ANSI standard is 'bad quality official stamp' 15:04:05 If you're interested in stamps, I have a whole collection here that I can sell you 15:05:29 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:06:04 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 15:07:16 santhosh: no, it is the same document. The only difference is that you can order it from ANSI with stamping on it. 15:08:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:09:58 -!- lide [~migrayn@83-145-213-33.localloop.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:12:23 saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has joined #lisp 15:13:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:16:08 -!- tongmo [~marcel.45@adsl196-252-88-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:16:37 -!- Kuloto [~user@146.1.pool.kuban.skylink.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:16:50 tongmo [~marcel.45@adsl196-20-92-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #lisp 15:17:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:17:25 -!- tongmo [~marcel.45@adsl196-20-92-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:59 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-228-11.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:19:51 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Quit: (save-lisp-and-die)] 15:20:41 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-244.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:21:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:22:51 -!- santhosh [~chatzilla@117.206.130.246] has left #lisp 15:25:14 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-0-244.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:27:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:27:37 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-009-040.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:27:48 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:29:36 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-029-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:30:04 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:01 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:16 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:32:10 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:33:11 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:40 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:35:57 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:38:18 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:38:52 findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:39:20 eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has joined #lisp 15:41:44 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-16-147.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:44:33 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-147-102.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 15:50:49 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:51:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:51:13 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 15:55:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:55:57 -!- findiggle [~kirkwood@50-194-56-154-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57:54 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 15:58:42 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 15:59:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:04:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05:49 I wonder if there is an article or any kind of information available about overhead of using CL for intensive manipulation of trees compared to c/c++? 16:06:04 hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.88.177] has joined #lisp 16:06:14 http://cliki.net/Performance second part 16:06:41 mpstyler: but we're not competing for speed, we're competing for correct results. 16:07:20 mpstyler: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wTbOiqSxrFUJ:paste.lisp.org/display/129755+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=firefox-a 16:07:41 thanks pjb 16:07:49 Hi everyone! 16:08:09 i am trying to understand if CL fits my needs atm 16:08:28 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:08:50 CL is a general purpose algorithmic programming language that is homoiconic, and therefore let you do meta programming very easily. 16:09:29 If you're writing a lot of templates you're in hell. Welcome to the CL paradize! 16:11:04 im intrested in patter matching on continous analouge input, so I am worried only about performance issues 16:11:20 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 16:11:35 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:11:37 Use sbcl. 16:12:21 I need some help with this: http://yadi.sk/d/Jh_IjNxGlQcY (is Y.disk link OK?). This is a little game I just wrote. The question is: what's wrong with my networking code. I can't make it work as it should. Tried almost everything but with no result. Server handles only first and sometimes second connection. Could someone help me with it? 16:12:23 sure 16:12:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has joined #lisp 16:12:57 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.86.97] has quit [Changing host] 16:12:57 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:13:33 hitecnologys: you should have a loop on listen(2)/accept(2), and fork a thread or process to deal with each client. 16:13:58 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:15 err, the loop is around accept(2), not listen(2), IIRC. 16:14:20 thats an interesing topic 16:14:26 pjb: I don't need to process more than one client, so multithreading is useless. 16:14:49 ok, but you still need to call accept(2) again after closing the first client. 16:14:52 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:15:18 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:15:30 make-instance ice-cream :topping :lisp 16:15:34 lol 16:15:37 pjb: I should just put the loop before with-socket-listener, sure? 16:15:57 -!- ludston [~patience@CPE-121-218-240-135.lnse4.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:16:14 I don't know. Depends on the library you're using. 16:16:46 ed_g [~chatzilla@75-164-255-80.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:18 pjb: I'm using usocket. I've tried native sbcl-sockets but that's not what I want. 16:18:12 hitecnologys: usocket uses sbcl's built-in socket library 16:18:32 No, the loop would be around (usocket:socket-accept socket &key element-type) 16:19:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:19:09 (with-listening-socket (server ) (loop (with-connected-socket (client (socket-accept server) ) ))) 16:20:50 pjb: that's exactly what I have. 16:21:58 Perhaps add a sleep at the end of the loop? 16:23:33 pjb: tried both on client and server code. No effect. 16:23:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:24:42 pjb: client sends the second packet but server ignores it. 16:25:02 That's only for the server! 16:25:07 client code is entirely different. 16:25:33 (loop (with-client-socket (server ) )) 16:25:55 (loop (with-client-socket (server (socket-connect )) )) 16:28:26 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:28:50 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.175.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:28:54 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 16:30:44 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 16:33:57 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:35:59 AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 16:36:16 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:25 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-194-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 16:36:39 pjb: Maybe that's just I stupid, but it doesn't work. Server doesn't receive the second packet. =( 16:37:33 the second packet or the second connection? 16:37:36 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:09 mpstyler: I'm not sure, but does server socket drops connection after each data packet? 16:38:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:38:40 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.129] has joined #lisp 16:38:40 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:38:54 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:41 should not drop connection, thats strange 16:40:07 -!- otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:40:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-107.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:26 mpstyler: sure. I can't understand why client or server drops connection so I need to reconnect. Responding system works fine. The problem is in the networking code definitely. 16:41:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:42:52 hitecnologys: you would have to read the second packet. 16:43:16 coldnew [~user@61-62-109-98-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has joined #lisp 16:43:18 pjb: I do. (receive-data connection) 16:43:45 hi, lisp newbie here. running sbcl on Debian. I've installed a cl library using dpkg. To use it, should I just (load "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/foo/bar.lisp") or is there a more idiomatic way? 16:44:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:44:42 -!- coldnew [~user@61-62-109-98-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has quit [Client Quit] 16:44:51 That would be usocket:socket-receive 16:44:52 ed_g: use quicklisp instead of dpkg. I think it's better. 16:45:12 -!- fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:45:12 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:25 hitecnologys: thanks! 16:45:32 As in: (loop until done do (socket-receive socket)) 16:46:02 otwieracz [~gonet9@v6.gen2.org] has joined #lisp 16:46:03 pjb: I use c-store for sending and receiving data. It seems to work fine. Or it's wrong way? 16:46:19 Probably receive-data only receives one data. 16:46:24 Try to add a loop. 16:46:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:47:22 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:24 coldnew [~user@61-62-109-98-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has joined #lisp 16:47:45 pjb: Where? In (receive-data)? 16:48:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:50:46 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:52:14 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-pgmylgivttqlgluf] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:52:47 wtf, is *truetype-font-path* when set with defvar treated as constant ? 16:53:10 whenever i change it, even from within that file i get issues 16:53:30 defvar doesn't have to change the value of an already bound variable, try setf 16:53:35 all caches and .slime cleared ofc 16:54:14 -!- felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:55:26 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:57 wbooze: or try defparameter, if that's what you're going for. *truetype-font-path* doesn't look like a variable name to me, it looks like a parameter name. 16:56:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:57:48 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 17:00:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:02:30 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:37 Huh, found problem. (receive-data) stops on the second packet. Server receives it, but can't get data. 17:05:03 Is there a loop in receive-data? 17:08:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:10:41 pjb: Something like it. Program behaves exactly this way: (client)send-2nd-packet -> (server)receive-data -> about 10 second of thinking -> (client)receive-data -> 10 seconds of thinking. It's strange cause debug code is ignored. 17:11:46 I need to try (format socket-stream "~a" data) and then (read-from-string (read-line stream)). 17:11:53 This should work fine. 17:12:15 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:13:15 Aw, (read-from-string (read-line stream)) == (read stream). 17:14:23 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 17:14:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:14:40 When evaluating defuns with debug code, a common error is to do so in the wrong package. 17:15:31 pjb: But all my code is in the same package. 17:15:31 -!- ed_g [~chatzilla@75-164-255-80.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:16:34 Lol, the same problem even with format! =| 17:16:51 -!- coldnew [~user@61-62-109-98-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:28 Okay, I really want to sleep so it's better to go to bed. I'll fix this tomorrow. Goodbye everyone. Have a nice day. 17:18:56 (or night) 17:18:58 -!- hitecnologys [~hitecnolo@178.74.88.177] has quit [Quit: hitecnologys] 17:19:44 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 17:20:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:21:50 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:23:02 -!- rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xndogmlbasnvqtdi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 17:27:20 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:28:27 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 17:32:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:36:01 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:36:41 _d3f [~d3f@79.172.193.130] has joined #lisp 17:38:09 superjudge [~textual@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 17:38:59 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:39:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:42:27 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:44:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:44:34 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:45:00 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.87.236] has joined #lisp 17:45:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.87.236] has quit [Changing host] 17:45:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:45:58 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:47:30 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 17:51:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:51:58 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:52 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:55:48 lammb [~lammb@host86-147-195-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 17:56:18 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:25 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:56:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:59:11 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 17:59:16 Greetings lispers 17:59:29 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:16 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 18:00:24 pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.98.146] has joined #lisp 18:01:01 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:01:16 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:01:39 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 18:02:30 Can someone glance at this and tell me if there's a better way to do it in Lisp: http://paste.kde.org/554930/ 18:03:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:03:52 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 18:04:11 lammb: Does hand have to be a list of integers? 18:04:26 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:04:40 lammb: why do you use magic integer constants? 18:05:06 pkhuong: I was going to get to using keywords, but I want to understand what else is going on. 18:05:06 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 18:05:41 ThomasH, I guess not, but that's the representation I chose. I chose for ordering reasons, can't order keywords sensibly. 18:06:23 I dispatch to a tie break if (first hand1) = (first hand2) for instance 18:06:35 lammb: of course you can. You can have arbitrary comparators. 18:06:51 As efficient as integer comparison? 18:07:16 lammb: Profile and see 18:07:32 get it right first. 18:07:38 -!- superjudge [~textual@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:07:56 I second that 18:08:13 ThomasH, pkhuong, I am confused how you would use keywords for comparison. It seems easier to me to use integers 18:08:30 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:08:42 I would have to write extra functions for compare the keywords sensibly, no? 18:08:58 Instead of just using #'< 18:09:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:09:09 Yes; unfortunately, common lisp doesn't come with a poker hand evaluation function. 18:09:18 Ah, that joke again 18:09:20 lammb: why are you lying? (sort (list :hello :world :how :do :you :do) (function string<)) => (:do :do :hello :how :world :you) 18:09:37 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:39 pkhuong: CLTL3 18:09:57 Yeah right, let's include in CLTL3 all the student exercises even. 18:09:57 *ThomasH* adds poker hand evaluation function to features list 18:10:21 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 18:10:27 ThomasH: too specific. Make it a card game dsl. 18:11:11 pkhuong: (defmethod card-from-sleeve ...) 18:11:55 lammb: I'd start with something like (< (position hand-type-1 *hand-type-order*) (position hard-type-2 *hand-type-order*)). 18:11:56 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:16 How is that any better? 18:13:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:33 lammb: abstraction! 18:13:49 (defun hand-lessp (hand-type-1 hand-type-2) (< (position hand-type-1 *hand-type-order*) 18:13:49 (position hard-type-2 *hand-type-order*))) 18:13:55 (sort cards (function hand-lessp) 18:13:57 ) 18:14:12 lammb: How about a poker-hand object and (winning-hand hand1 hand2) method? 18:14:49 (defclass poker-hand () (rank cards-in-hand)) 18:14:58 The code passes symbols around rather than integers. Much easier to debug, and you avoid a complete class of bugs enabled by the type punning, like adding hand types. 18:15:04 pjb, I don't consider than an improvement in terms of abstraction, what mental load have you alleviated there? 18:15:39 lammb: what does (5 1 2 3 4 5) mean in your program? 18:15:44 Now you don't think in terms of position in a hand-type-order list, you think in terms of cards and which is less than the other. 18:15:54 pkhuong, it's undefined 18:16:00 All ranks are reverse sorted from the start 18:16:32 pjb: I like that even better, just have lists of hands and calculate the rank. 18:16:37 (hand-less-p (card heart ace) (card clubs king)) ? 18:16:47 Vs. (< 42 33) 18:16:58 That's an interface issue 18:17:02 No. 18:17:04 I can write input/output functions for that 18:17:08 That's an abstraction issue. 18:17:15 All I see is integers. I'm already not a fan of bare lists except in temporary contexts; using integers instead of symbolic data is just worse. 18:17:21 It doesn't matter card and hand-lessp are implemented. 18:17:33 card could return an integer, and hand-lessp could be CL:< 18:17:53 Or something more. It doesn't matter: it's abstracted away, you're now working with cards, instead of computer concepts. 18:18:33 I yield. Time to rewrite my program again. 18:18:55 jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has joined #lisp 18:19:02 lammb: Now we're back to pkhuong card games DSL. That is definitely the way to go. Cards have a value and each game has an algorithm for ranking based on the game rules. Very nice. 18:19:05 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:19:15 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 18:20:48 ThomasH: of course that also needs a rule sublanguage, powerful enough to represent that universal cellular automaton in MtG. 18:21:23 What is MtG? 18:21:39 Please not Magic the Gathering 18:21:48 Google knows 18:22:09 I'm sure you know too... When did this channel get so snarky. 18:22:28 get? 18:22:30 lammb: Hah! 18:22:55 it's a lot less so than c++ 18:23:03 lammb: there's #clnoobs 18:23:09 lammb: see http://cliki.net/IRC 18:23:19 lammb: didn't we point you to http://cliki.net early? 18:24:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:24:31 I think I'll go to the library. Bye 18:24:33 -!- lammb [~lammb@host86-147-195-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:52 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:25:21 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 18:25:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:27:08 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.226] has joined #lisp 18:27:31 From Cellular automaton in Wikipedia, "Ulam and Neumann created a method for calculating liquid motion in the late 1950s. The driving concept of the method was to consider a liquid as a group of discrete units and calculate the motion of each based on its neighbors' behaviors." 18:28:25 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 18:28:25 Holy guacamole, I've been wondering how to do that for some time. I think it could solve some issues with continuum mechanics approaches. 18:29:23 *ThomasH* is somewhat tired of continuum mechanics. 18:31:02 *ThomasH* goes to track down this research. 18:31:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:31:13 francogrex [~user@109.130.35.202] has joined #lisp 18:31:16 -!- saschakb [~skbierm@gateway/tor-sasl/saschakb] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:31:38 wasn't approximating continuous DEs the original purpose for CAs? 18:32:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:32:26 Bike: Yeah, finite element, finite difference, it's all just a big linear algebra problem. 18:33:09 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:33:54 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:34:20 what opensource projects would you recommend to learn lisp style from (not speaking about language syntax) ? 18:34:30 Bike: Oops, I expanded CA incorrectly. 18:34:31 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.225] has joined #lisp 18:35:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35:16 cellular automata, I meant. 18:35:36 Bike: Yeah, Wolfram wrote a book in 2002 covering CA applications. 18:38:04 mpstyler: afaik, cl-ppcre is often recommended. 18:38:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:38:47 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 18:39:07 hi, how can i find whether list contains duplicate elements and not remove them? 18:39:20 *ThomasH* found a CA book from 1987 with an entire chapter on fluid dynamics. 18:39:56 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:39:59 ykm: REMOVE does not actually remove anything from a list. it returns a fresh list. 18:40:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:40:38 right, then i will have to add an extra step to equate with orignal list? 18:40:43 ykm: this is not an aswer, but imo more efficient way would be checking the list when you add an element 18:41:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:41:08 ykm: that is how i would do it unless the list is large 18:41:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:43:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:43:04 mpstyler: problem is that the list is obtained after coercing a string 18:44:38 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:45 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 18:45:04 -!- pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.98.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:45:39 fold [~fold@66-169-204-12.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:45:54 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 18:45:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:47:20 Snaffu [~Snaffu@oh-69-34-16-39.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:15 -!- AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:17 felipe [~felipe@unaffiliated/felipe] has joined #lisp 18:48:49 AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 18:49:14 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.41.50] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:49:18 Ping, is this thing live? 18:49:44 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:50:23 -!- AlbireoX [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:28 AlbireoX`Laptop [~AlbireoX@76.78.168.190] has joined #lisp 18:50:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:51:13 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 18:51:41 <_tca> ykm: why not use member? 18:52:02 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 18:54:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:55:58 Ugh, the Wolfram book on CA is "A New Kind of Science". So, from the CA guys, is there a body of work on using CA for fluid and solid mechanics that shows it is impractical? 18:57:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:58:55 -!- antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:59:11 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:01:49 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:01:53 failed on 'file.mp3' - Cross-device link 19:02:31 -!- nha [~prefect@koln-5d8193ff.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:50 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 19:04:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:05:01 antoszka [~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka] has joined #lisp 19:05:05 wohoooo 19:05:22 solved the parenthesis-highlighter bug 19:06:16 pyb [~pyb@91.85.48.82] has joined #lisp 19:08:59 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:09:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:10:37 here http://pastie.org/4781553 19:10:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:11:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:12:23 anyone can change the colors to fit their backgrounds etc..... 19:13:07 it both works now for climacs and listener 19:13:11 wbooze: do you use climacs? 19:13:32 yes, and now beirc actually 19:13:40 i'm connected via beirc here 19:13:46 -!- Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:13:54 ncw [~ncw@host86-185-103-153.range86-185.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 19:14:07 man that has taken a long time i tell you..... 19:14:08 Sorry, I couldn't find anything for that has taken a long time i tell you...... 19:14:15 lol 19:14:21 i woke the bot sorry 19:14:31 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 19:15:06 mpstyler: read PAIP Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp 19:15:12 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.45] has joined #lisp 19:15:19 mpstyler: and also SICP Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-4.html http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ 19:16:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:16:17 mpstyler: now there are some diamonds hidden in almost every lisp programs. 19:17:21 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Must not waste too much time here...] 19:17:25 ykm: (com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.sequence:duplicates "abcadef") --> "a" 19:18:05 works on any sequence. 19:21:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:21:36 eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has joined #lisp 19:23:24 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:24:42 pjb: thanks, I've just ordered the PAOP 19:24:46 *PAIP 19:25:18 pjb: neat....got a link to that? 19:25:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:26:19 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:26:26 em.. who is informatimago? is he some important person in lisp world? 19:27:31 it's pjb. 19:28:05 cddr [~user@108-89-212-211.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:28:10 mpstyler: informatimago is a lisper the insists on overly verbose package names. 19:28:29 pkhuong: ah, ic, thanks 19:29:30 err...quicklisp 19:29:55 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.23] has joined #lisp 19:30:08 bold on bold is useless for highlighting....lol 19:31:00 if mcclim was colorless i would say ok....but .... 19:31:12 Anyone work with aserve here or does everyone use hunchentoot? 19:32:19 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:32:43 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 19:33:13 I dislike the fact that with-http-response requires your code to know the status before it's computed the response 19:33:25 \/rant 19:33:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:34:17 cddr: i disliked enough things about aserve to move to hunchentoot :D 19:35:25 cddr: but in this case, i'd say that if you need to defer computing the status until you've computed the response, compute the response before with-http-response comes into play. 19:35:49 when is paste.lisp.org up again ? 19:35:53 does anyone know ? 19:37:46 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.45] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:46 gkeith_lt [~gkeith@c-98-216-97-19.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:38:06 wbooze: try it? 19:38:47 service temporarily unavailable i get 19:39:07 apache 2.2.16 Debian server 19:39:22 heh 19:39:52 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.23] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 19:40:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:40:45 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:41:26 seems I'm unable to start lisppaste because there's a compilation error. 19:41:39 anybody been fiddling with lisppaste code recently? 19:41:45 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 19:42:09 H4ns: Yeah, I'm trying to use conditions to return a json error if something goes wrong but feel like I'm going against the grain. Time to rethink the approach methinks 19:42:42 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:44:11 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:45:12 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:45:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:48:26 mpstyler: the current important person in the lisp world is Xach (Quicklisp). 19:48:59 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.35.202] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:12 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:12 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:31 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 19:49:32 minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:32 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:47 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:47 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:52:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:52:50 ykm: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp) 19:54:38 Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 19:55:07 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:55:45 [6502] [4e0cf2ae@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.12.242.174] has joined #lisp 19:55:46 wbooze (and others): If lisppaste isn't running, please report to clo-devel@common-lisp.net. I'll try to repair what I find. 19:55:52 (as I've done just now) 19:56:11 ok ehu 19:57:01 <[6502]> wow... memos! 19:58:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:58:58 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-190-124.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:48 <[6502]> Is there something like #. but for compile time instead of read time? is there something like #.@ that works "splicing" the result of the evaluation? 20:03:30 macros. 20:03:38 is load-time-value what you want in the first? 20:03:39 <[6502]> #. for compile time would be sort of a nameless and parameter-less macro 20:04:02 And no. 20:04:20 That may be an overlook of the lisp reader, but reader macros can only return 0 or 1 values. 20:04:43 One could imagine allowing to return more than one value, or having a protocol to return a list of values to be "spliced". 20:05:07 That said, you can always replace #. by a macro or a reader macro at the surrounding parentheses. 20:05:21 Just like ,@ does it, using `(). 20:05:34 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:05:55 <[6502]> bike: yes... load-time-value seems exactly that, thanks 20:06:52 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:29 -!- zmyrgel [~user@a91-153-150-75.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:45 wbooze: ok. more work done (it was still failing); looking at it closer tomorrow, if more's required. 20:09:47 megamind [~Nevermind@123.16.224.229] has joined #lisp 20:10:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:10:06 is it on your side too failing ? 20:10:10 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:15 i thought it would 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systematically from an unifying principle. 21:21:58 wbooze: well, if you struggle somewhere else, i can stop easily 21:22:03 H4ns: don't be pessimist. 21:22:05 maybe pjb 21:22:14 but complex is complex..... 21:22:35 i don't struggle half much as with other things.....actually.... 21:22:52 I think that there's someting to systems that are kept simple. Better to avoid a feature than to exponentially increase the complexity. 21:22:53 it can be made better that's true.... 21:23:21 and slowly going there is ok too 21:23:41 since i'm not a lisp expert neither a systems expert either...... 21:24:00 In any case, if you patch it and improve it, be sure to announce it on cll, I'd like to try it again. 21:24:01 struggle is pretty much planned for or expected...... 21:24:10 That's how you learn. 21:24:10 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:24:14 yep 21:24:16 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:24:38 i like to learn from other people, too. 21:24:43 it's just one thing which troubles me, that i don't find any others using it or so.... 21:25:12 and with repect to mcclim, i am learning from other smart folks who used to invest time in it that they don't use it anymore. 21:25:18 It's a question if critical mass. A lot of lispers have tried it, at some time or another. But it spans a period of at least 20 years 21:25:21 this matches my own experience with it. 21:25:47 Is there anywhere a repository of all the cll articles ever? 21:26:11 an archive. 21:26:14 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 21:26:43 Orpheus_ [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:37 -!- Orpheus_ is now known as Orph 21:28:15 -!- Orph is now known as Orph_ 21:28:52 the highlighting of parens is pretty fine now 21:29:15 text-style independent.... 21:29:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:30:20 i should have made a method or macro for dark and light backrounds tho...... 21:30:38 and set some acceptable defaults...... 21:30:56 pbgc [~pbgc@2.81.98.146] has joined #lisp 21:33:03 lammb [~lammb@host86-147-195-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:36:11 -!- paolo_m [~user@adsl-ull-83-219.49-151.net24.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:37:44 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-029-087.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:38:11 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42:10 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:42:16 osX64 [~wolf@2001:5c0:1000:a::3a3] has joined #lisp 21:42:54 fasta [~xchat@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 21:45:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:45:33 -!- answer_42 [~answer_42@gateway/tor-sasl/answer42/x-66983568] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 21:48:41 *pavelpenev* did two weeks of MFC in preparation for two exams, mcclim is waaay more fun and waaay less frustrating than C++ on windows :) 21:49:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:50:06 pavelpenev: i'm not saying that mcclim is not cool. it has two basic problems: it is buggy, and whatever you can create with it will not meet user expectations for a gui program in the 21st century 21:52:16 and by 21st century you mean 2001 :) 21:53:34 are you trying to say that users are actually in a regression phase and will soon accept clim ui's because of that? there may be some truth in that. 21:54:12 packaged in a web browser, users will accept almost anything as a user interface nowadays. q.e.d. 21:54:22 -!- pyb [~pyb@91.85.48.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:31 all that is needed is a html5 backend for clim. 21:55:57 I actually meant that 2001 guis looked better, but still, wbooze should definetely spend his youth on mcclim in the browser :) 21:56:49 H4ns: ping Xof (: 21:56:55 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:58:20 i just wanted one lisp based, i could have gone with commonqt and so too, but that would have not spared me anything in the end...... 21:58:38 and i can still go there if i want..... 21:58:42 but first things first 22:00:05 if i learn enough c or c++ i can go there easliy too....if need be or via preference or so.....dunno, but since it's already available to mee, i take it and make it better/try to use it......eod 22:00:56 wbooze: you could try something else, like garnet http://garnetlisp.sourceforge.net/ 22:01:06 wbooze: gui programming with C++ is frustrating, and posibly imposible without a good IDE. 22:01:30 H4ns: isn't garnet even deader than mcclim? 22:01:58 i tried already others too, one which is either garnet or clue or so....was not bad but i found mcclim more appealing ....dunno ask me not for why.... 22:01:59 pavelpenev: dead is dead, but it least it would be something novel to try out 22:02:13 maybe it seemed to work fine from the start on ? 22:02:22 Garnet even has its own object system 22:02:26 mostly* 22:02:52 -!- dnolen [~user@12.130.122.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:14 afair, i had issues there too....so..... 22:03:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:04:03 sroh [~user@39.112.212.212] has joined #lisp 22:04:28 it works already 90% for me out of the box......maybe i should have said that..... 22:04:33 rather 22:05:11 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 22:05:24 -!- sroh [~user@39.112.212.212] has quit [Client Quit] 22:06:04 sroh [~user@39.112.212.212] has joined #lisp 22:08:57 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:08:58 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:10:30 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-189-184.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:11:40 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:13:52 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15:21 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 22:16:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:20:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:20:58 -!- doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:47 A lot more people probably use real Clim than McClim. 22:24:47 jup, i would expect so too.... 22:25:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:30:00 moore33: beach started writing a clim3 spec, removing many parts he considered badly designed or obsolete 22:32:37 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:34:21 fe[nl]ix:Yep, we've chatted about it somewhat recently. 22:34:43 What is beach up to? 22:35:22 Hacking on various things that interest him :) 22:35:44 Still CL? Since he's not here, must be getting a lot done. 22:35:55 Yes, CL. 22:36:09 He's got some interesting compiler / gc ideas. 22:36:33 moore33: Yeah, last I chatted here with him, that's what he was talking about. 22:36:34 Some of our conversations involve the consumption of a fair amount of find Bordeaux, so I'm a little hazy on the details :) 22:36:41 s/find/fine 22:36:45 moore33: Nice. 22:38:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39:54 I'll be back in France around this January; Nice ought to be more fun than Lille, and I'll have to remember to ask you guys for travel suggestions (: 22:41:58 The countryside is certainly more scenic in Nice. 22:41:59 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.63.90.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:42:14 The area around Lille has lots of slag heaps :) 22:42:25 Daisy [Daisy@79.138.220.55.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 22:43:40 bubo [~bubo@91.224.149.58] has joined #lisp 22:43:44 I couldn't see anything through all that fog. 22:44:02 Lille and Nice, in opposite parts of France, both have great Carnivals. 22:45:31 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 22:45:51 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.228.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:47:16 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-17-187.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:50:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:51:00 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:52:35 jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:59:52 moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-16-231.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:01:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:03:37 -!- agumonkey [~agu@235.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06:09 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-16-231.w92-146.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:06:56 -!- superflit [~superflit@75-166-68-90.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:12:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:17 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:20:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:24:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28:18 -!- naryl [~weechat@46.182.24.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:29:30 -!- samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:30 -!- wuehli [~wuehlmaus@freeshell.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:47 samebchase [~samuel@codesurfers.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:12 wuehli [~wuehlmaus@freeshell.de] has joined #lisp 23:30:14 -!- keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:28 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 23:33:28 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-23-84.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 23:33:51 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:37:23 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 23:39:34 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:08 Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.174.223] has joined #lisp 23:40:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:41:41 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-23-84.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:42:22 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-166-248.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:42:54 -!- Orph_ [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:44:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:50:12 Orph_ [~user1@pool-71-173-143-109.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:56:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:57:26 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-186-244.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 23:58:03 -!- lammb [~lammb@host86-147-195-183.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving]