00:00:40 COM.978SYMBOLS.STFU 00:01:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:01:52 pjb: define, "can not". it seems to me like he just did that. 00:02:52 :) 00:07:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:08:20 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@mc00536d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:08:41 -!- les [moreorles@fsf/member/les] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:13:25 Xach, did you register 978? 00:13:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:14:09 no 00:14:13 i just like the sound of it 00:14:18 and i trust there are no squatters here 00:14:30 978... that was the number of symbols in CL package, right? 00:14:41 that's for those in the know to smirk about 00:15:05 Xach, you should register it 00:15:25 but how many defined signals are there... 00:16:20 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:17:53 Quadrescence: my days as a whim registerer are past 00:19:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 00:19:21 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: dobranoc/good night] 00:20:18 although 00:20:47 978 is the area code of northeastern mass. i wonder if (978) SYM-BOLS could be my business phone number 00:20:55 Xach, can you think of a better name than "symbo1ics". Everyday I regret the 1 more and more 00:21:12 "it's a 1 not an l, it's a play on a now defunct company" 00:21:51 978symbols is pretty cool, you can have it if you like 00:22:00 les [moreorles@lesharris.com] has joined #lisp 00:22:01 -!- les [moreorles@lesharris.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:22:01 les [moreorles@fsf/member/les] has joined #lisp 00:22:09 dang I don't know anything about the web. i need to hire a Personal Web Agent 00:22:48 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f717dfa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:36 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 00:25:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27:00 -!- les [moreorles@fsf/member/les] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27:08 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 00:27:31 les [~les@lesharris.com] has joined #lisp 00:27:32 -!- les [~les@lesharris.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:27:32 les [~les@fsf/member/les] has joined #lisp 00:28:05 978Symbols seems to look 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04:22:31 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-253-250.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:22:50 hey guys 04:23:11 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- no1y [~user@h-72-33.a146.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:11 -!- doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:12 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:12 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:12 -!- JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-211-58.cust.tele2.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 04:23:12 -!- CrazyEddy 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It looks like it has a 2.19 asdf, and therefore the asdf from quicklisp is not loaded, and therefore the output- something symbol is not uninterned and therefore it believes it has asdf-binary-locations and signals the error. 13:00:14 Other implementations either have 2.20 or use quicklisp asdf and work well. 13:00:19 Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.79.19.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 13:00:33 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.175.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:01:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:01:04 pjb: what does the output-something thing have to do with asdf-binary-locations? 13:01:18 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:30 it's the symbol that's tested to detect whether asdf-binary-locations are used! 13:01:46 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:01:48 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.175.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:01:50 See line 3361 or quicklisp/asdf.lisp 13:02:02 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:02:21 pjb: where did you get sbcl? 13:02:52 In this case, it's gentoo distributed sbcl 1.0.55 13:02:55 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 13:03:29 I may replace it with a self installed recent one. 13:03:36 Does that pull in asdf-binary-locations somehow? 13:03:42 -!- NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:51 I know that other package systems often do things like that, but my impression of gentoo was more favorable 13:04:04 Seems to be it, yes. sbcl --no-sysinit works nicely. 13:04:14 ah 13:04:57 ncw [~ncw@host86-130-73-252.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:05:33 (asdf:asdf-version) in my sbcl shows 2.23 it's the "self installed" 1.0.58 version of sbcl. 13:05:48 Ok, so I will install sbcl manually. 13:05:56 I hoped 1.0.55 was recent enough 13:06:10 NNshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:06:27 pjb: is there perhaps some package operation you can do to remove asdf-binary-locations? 13:06:35 i use 1.0.55 all the time, but not from my package system 13:07:02 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:07:28 Good idea, but debugger invoked on a ASDF:MISSING-COMPONENT in thread :-) 13:07:30 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@188.181.106.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:07:49 Uninstalling asdf-binary-locations doesn't seems to be clean. 13:07:58 -!- stokachu [~stokachu@50.58.87.197] has quit [Changing host] 13:07:58 stokachu [~stokachu@canonical/stokachu] has joined #lisp 13:08:28 *add^_* is not having any problems with sbcl or asdf, but on the other hand, can't compile a library finding part in the code with sbcl+slime 13:08:33 however it works with just sbcl.. 13:09:30 I've updated quicklisp and all dists to the latest versions so, I dunno what's wrong. Probably a slime bug... Or me. 13:10:36 boo 13:10:44 *Xach* can't understand the phrasing of "can't compile a library finding part in the code" 13:10:51 Sorry 13:10:54 :-P 13:11:00 I don't really know how to phrase it 13:11:06 I'm trying to find a .so file 13:11:19 With cffi 13:11:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:11:31 -!- ncw [~ncw@host86-130-73-252.range86-130.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:37 But it can't find it, even when slime is in the same directory 13:11:44 Oh, the guy from the last post in Planet Lisp doesn't allow comments. On the same Xach post, there is a comment by stassats which is great too. 13:11:47 but sbcl on it's own can 13:12:38 add^_: Is it on a system default location? 13:13:00 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-hxjkfkwcmwggjigx] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:15 No it's in the same directory as the code, for now. 13:13:47 add^_: Push the location to *foreign-library-directories*. 13:14:34 i like stassats' comment also 13:14:36 Still, if sbcl (terminal) can find it, but emacs+slime+sbcl can't 13:14:44 I don't understand it. 13:15:05 add^_: , cd 13:15:06 add^_: i guess sbcl under slime does not have the same idea of what "current directory" is as you do 13:15:17 heh 13:15:30 didi: ,cd doesn't do the job 13:15:34 ,cd slime command does not change the current directory thingie of the process 13:15:38 oh 13:15:49 Then I don't know what to do :-P 13:16:02 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:16:05 Well, it didn't work before, so I didn't know anyway 13:16:12 you C-x d into your directory, and then start sbcl 13:17:02 Hm 13:17:15 So it's the same command as M-x cd ? 13:17:25 Err 13:17:26 no 13:17:34 add^_: to pass LD_LIBRARY_PATH to *foreign-library-directories* http://pastebin.com/srEr9qYj 13:17:36 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:17:40 sb-posix:chdir might help. 13:18:25 Hm 13:18:42 -!- eni [~eni@82.230.88.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:19:18 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:20:19 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:21:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:23:05 justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:06 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:31:07 Woot, (asdf:getenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH") gets me NIL 13:31:13 Uuh 13:31:36 Same goes for $LD_LIBRARY_PATH 13:31:56 Oh well 13:32:04 add^_: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not normally set. 13:32:20 I've set it. 13:32:23 oic 13:32:24 But it still says nil 13:32:24 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:33:09 echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH gives me what I expect.. 13:33:16 In the terminal ofc 13:33:21 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-171-9-98.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33:35 Aha 13:33:44 in eshell it can't find anything either 13:34:03 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 13:34:31 It's probably a bash thing 13:36:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:31 -!- sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:44 sbenitezb [~user@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 13:39:47 add^_: where have you set it? 13:40:15 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:40:29 Indirectly in .bashrc 13:41:07 But I tried adding it to .profile and nothing really changed 13:41:11 add^_: so if you want it to be able to your emacs, you have to either start emacs from the same shell or set it for your X session, too 13:41:33 s/to be able/to be available 13:41:47 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-187-79.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:50 Hm 13:41:50 ok 13:42:17 .Xsession ? 13:42:41 ~/.xsessionrc works for me 13:42:45 but it is sourced, not executed 13:42:49 as far as i know 13:42:54 hm 13:43:17 And here I thought this was a simple bug, but oh no. It's obviously something way worse. 13:43:19 Me 13:43:25 it's not a bug 13:43:32 it's an environment setup 13:43:34 Exactly 13:43:37 ~/.emacs => (setenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" ...) 13:43:41 It's *my* fault 13:43:46 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 13:44:13 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:46:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:02 Nice didi. Now I don't even have to do the dired thingy 13:47:02 add^_: But I still think you should fix your problem by pushing the path to *foreign-library-directories*. If you have to know the path of the source file, read Xach's post . 13:47:11 Ah 13:47:14 :-/ 13:47:25 I tried that actually, I'll try it again. 13:47:37 (didn't work the first time, probably since it was NIL) 13:48:17 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 13:49:41 Well I (setenv "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" "/usr/local/lib") and cp the .so file there.. 13:49:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:49:59 But I'll as said, try pjb's code again 13:50:10 mathrick [~mathrick@83.88.120.138] has joined #lisp 13:50:12 add^_: If it's a private library, should be `/usr/local/lib/package'. 13:50:13 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:50:24 hm ok 13:50:51 -!- cracauer [cracauer@nat/google/x-khdgluwrahbzbvkm] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:51:07 Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.172.167] has joined #lisp 13:51:20 cracauer [cracauer@nat/google/x-aivjcvflvgnyhydu] has joined #lisp 13:51:29 Now I'm back to what I used at first (although it didn't work back then) 13:52:32 add^_: You shouldn't have to setenv /usr/local/lib. 13:52:58 And oh, it was Xach's code, not pjb's... oops. But I'll try them both ;-) 13:53:34 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:55 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:55:18 don't use pjb's code, he'll own your SOUL 13:55:32 (not an issue if you have no soul) 13:55:40 lol 13:55:41 ok 14:00:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:00:34 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:29 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:04:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:05:01 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 14:05:40 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-gojshrirvaywopsb] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:10:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:11:51 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:12:40 is there a way to stop slime from printing return values that are very large? Like huge vectors? Happens sometimes accidentally and then it's a hang. 14:13:14 prxq: not particularly for slime, but 14:13:19 clhs *print-length* 14:13:19 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/v_pr_lev.htm 14:13:35 i set a *print-length* of 50 in my rc file 14:13:36 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:17:21 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:19:04 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 14:19:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:19:54 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.88.120.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:20:03 ivan4th [~ivan4th@smtp.igrade.ru] has joined #lisp 14:25:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:25:30 -!- cymew [~cymew@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:27:09 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.148.202.90] has joined #lisp 14:27:15 didi 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anyone heard of a Lisp online course or class? 18:03:28 there are some good textbooks that make for effective self-motivated study 18:03:40 Ralith: such as? 18:04:01 minion: tell lduros about pcl 18:04:01 lduros: please see pcl: pcl-book: "Practical Common Lisp", an introduction to Common Lisp by Peter Seibel, available at http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ and in dead-tree form from Apress (as of 11 April 2005). 18:04:18 oh that book 18:04:21 ok 18:04:28 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 18:04:58 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 18:06:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:07:23 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:44 franz had some kind of class, they even have free videos I believe. 18:08:28 hmm 18:09:30 -!- Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.172.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:09:42 http://www.franz.com/services/classes/ 18:09:56 thanks 18:10:47 I remember watching some of the videos, but don't remember if there was anything too allegro specific in them. 18:11:25 hmm ok 18:11:52 PCL is still the recommended way to learn Common Lisp 18:12:04 maybe i'll just stick to the practical common lisp book 18:12:35 -!- strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:12:39 ncw [~ncw@host31-54-36-240.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:12:58 uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.44] has joined #lisp 18:13:15 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:13:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:57 lduros: PCL is a great and dense book. 18:14:03 -!- uselpa [~uselpa@83.99.17.44] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:04 hehe 18:15:16 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:43 amazon has a version for 2012 and another 2005 18:15:46 does it make a difference? 18:15:54 the 2005 one is 14$ used 18:16:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:16:11 strz [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 18:16:16 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:16:31 -!- strz is now known as strobegen 18:17:35 looks like it's the same edition 18:17:45 so I ordered 17.99 with amazon... not too bad 18:17:51 I like to read books on paper 18:17:55 -!- anon119 [~bman@12.104.148.2] has left #lisp 18:18:01 i found the PCL to be deceiving 18:18:18 lduros: google has: http://www.mars.cs.unp.ac.za/lisp/ 18:18:25 madnificent: arghh! Why do you say that only after I press the checkout button! :-) 18:18:25 don't get me wrong, the book is great, and the writing too. but that's a tad of an issue. the writing is light, but it contains a lot of concepts. 18:18:41 ok 18:18:42 it took me somewhat longer than expected to grok all concepts 18:18:43 pjb: thanks 18:18:57 based on how fast i'd assume i'd grok them because of the language. take your time to let some of the things sink in. 18:19:03 lduros: http://cliki.net/Online+Tutorial has other pointers. 18:19:19 I'm starting by "Introduction to Emacs Lisp" since I use emacs 18:19:29 although it's not exactly the same as common lisp 18:19:34 not even close 18:19:36 It's getting closer. 18:19:37 bondar [~rukugu@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:19:38 lduros: i'm not entirely sure if a more complexly written book would've been better. the pcl is really nice. just keep in mind that the concepts are complex, even though explained clearly. 18:19:45 -!- ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:20:11 lduros: i wouldn't pollute your mind with emacs lisp if you intend to learn common lisp. you might as well start with the online version of the PCL and continue reading in the printed version. 18:20:13 but you can learn many concept and syntax of lisp from learning elisp no? 18:20:14 -!- joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:20:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:20:34 madnificent: well I intend to do some elisp too since i like emacs 18:20:49 lduros: also, if you encounter /anything/ about installing lisp libraries: asdf is still common, installing them is now done through quicklisp and it is *a lot* better than what we used to have. 18:21:03 hmm i use debian 18:21:30 lduros: i don't think that's helpful, unless you're learning elisp 18:21:34 lduros: i first learned common lisp (and continue to learn bits and pieces of it) and only later started elisp. that's not been the worst decision, i think. but whatever suits your bill 18:21:46 antgreen [~user@out-on-183.wireless.telus.com] has joined #lisp 18:21:46 Let's port asdf and quicklisp to emacs 18:21:49 ok 18:22:35 lduros: hold off learning elisp at least until you get the basics of CL down. I don't like to learn languages concurrently, especially if they seem similar. 18:24:19 well, if you want to learn elisp, that is a good thing, especially if you want to customize emacs 18:24:20 lduros: for what it's worth: understanding common lisp, you'll more easily understand snippets of elisp code. there are indeed many similarities 18:24:33 hmm ok 18:24:34 but don't get the idea that learning elisp will give you much of a head-start on learning CL as it is used 18:24:45 hmm 18:24:46 ok 18:24:50 I've heard many people say things in emacs lisp are usually done very imperatively, which sounds like a good way to learn bad habits right from the beginning 18:25:08 editing is often an imperative process 18:25:16 I would guess that there is more "bad" elisp than bad CL because of the relative ubiquity of emacs 18:25:33 my elisp sucks, I should probably allocate a weekend some time soon to get some more practice. 18:26:10 but the "Intro to elisp" gives an overview of lisp in general too >> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/html_node/List-Processing.html#List-Processing 18:26:21 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:26:44 so i assumed it was fine to read it for both elisp and common lisp 18:27:13 i don't think so 18:28:00 -!- Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:28:24 lduros: I think it is. 18:28:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:28:58 didi: didn't I see you on #emacs in the past? 18:29:07 lduros: You did. 18:29:12 lduros: Maybe. I don't know. 18:29:13 rolling2k [~lol@31.96.155.89] has joined #lisp 18:29:17 didi: you don't go there anymore? 18:29:30 -!- Fare [fare@nat/google/x-lolruomwoqwxswdr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:33 -!- rolling2k [~lol@31.96.155.89] has quit [] 18:29:55 lduros: It's possible. :^) 18:30:16 bsbutler [adddb902@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.221.185.2] has joined #lisp 18:30:31 hehe 18:31:29 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:33:01 kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:33:26 ^pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:35:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:36:08 pareidolia [~michaelk@ip104-121-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:36:56 Does anyone know why it is not possible to setf an association list? I could use a plist but that wouldn't be as convenient 18:37:11 Or if someone could tell me how to sort a plist? 18:37:12 It is possible to use setf and a-list. 18:37:15 pareidolia: How so? 18:37:17 What do you want to do? 18:37:41 I have this (reduce (lambda (tally character) (incf (getf tally character 0)) tally) +cyphertext+ :initial-value nil) 18:37:57 pareidolia: there's setf assoc-value in alexandria 18:38:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:39:36 Thanks 18:39:57 If there is a better/more idiomatic way of doing this I would really like to know 18:41:46 axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:42:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:42:45 you could just do (incf (cdr (assoc character tally))) if you know it already has a value 18:43:30 I can do an if to check if it has 18:44:23 this operation is part of an ANSI Common Lisp exercise and has been explored on comp.lang.lisp in the past 18:44:35 i wish i had my kmp search engine up so i could show you what he did :( 18:47:03 Argh, I could have used Mathematica, but I want to use my dear CL 18:47:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:48:21 VieiraN [~VieiraN@200-171-134-92.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:48:44 pareidolia: Octave! 18:49:09 joast [~rick@76.178.135.192] has joined #lisp 18:49:10 pareidolia: you can't write a function? 18:49:36 -!- jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:08 -!- eudicot [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:50:17 eudicot [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has joined #lisp 18:50:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-217-214.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:50:43 Just want to do a one-off in the REPL 18:51:32 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 18:52:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:52:35 you could make a function which returns you the cons-cel of the key-value pair. if the keyword isn't in the list, you can make a new one and return that. you can call setd on the car or cadr of that 18:54:11 s/setd/setf/ 18:55:43 fold [~fold@66-169-204-12.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:56:46 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:58:36 -!- atsidi [~user@108.61.55.75] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:58:58 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 18:59:06 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@174.52.149.13] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:03 justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:43 -!- Zemyla_ is now known as Zemyla 19:07:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:07:20 -!- udzinari [~udzinari@ip-89-102-31-29.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 19:09:00 <^pnpuff> i think sage (http://www.sagemath.org/) it's a good idea . unfortunately it's not written in lisp! :( 19:10:05 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-162-15.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:10:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12:10 superjudge [~textual@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:12:27 -!- superjudge [~textual@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Client Quit] 19:12:48 superjudge [~superjudg@c83-250-198-227.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 19:13:01 -!- sambio [~sambio@190.57.227.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:13:44 ^pnpuff, have you looked at the Maxima CAS? 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19:51:39 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 19:52:58 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.175.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:54:14 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@x-132-204-243-254.xtpr.umontreal.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 19:56:14 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 19:56:23 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.173] has joined #lisp 19:56:32 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:56:42 ehu: gabriel and weinreb passed away recently 19:57:43 tcr: What Gabriel? 19:57:47 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:58:05 I know about Dan Weinreb, but don't know who Gabriel is (nor about his/her passing away) 19:58:45 but I guess that comes with age: every language which stays around long enough will eventually get to a point where its early-day proponents will start dying... 19:58:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_P._Gabriel seems alive, perhaps you are talking about John McCarthy 19:58:54 I guess it's a strong point. 20:00:13 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-51.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:00:41 I thought I read about gabriel having passed away a couple of weeks ago on facebook. I can't swear for not mixing things up though. 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[~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:15 (I still didn't figure where to put Compose key, for example) 21:12:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:12:48 I'm trying to eliminate a function: (defun mapply (func args) (dolist (someargs args) (apply func someargs))) 21:13:00 I figure I can use mapcar, but I can't get it quite right 21:14:24 because (mapply #'x ((some things))) => (x some things), but (mapcar #'x ((some things))) => (x (some things)) 21:14:33 (mapc (compose #'apply func) args)? 21:14:33 this is pretty basic and stupid, but I can't figure out a good way to do it 21:15:05 is there some way to unpack (some things) other than apply? 21:15:08 Bike's answer requires alexandria, iirc 21:15:12 it does. 21:15:21 compose is pretty easy to write, though. 21:15:25 this is in my .emacs.el :/ 21:15:25 ltbarcly1: "unpacking" lists isn't the right way to think about this. 21:15:54 ltbarcly1: well, you might need to ask in #emacs then (though we have a lot of people who are conversational in Elisp) 21:16:05 in this case it's the same thing 21:16:13 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:16:44 I'm more interested in how to do it in CL actually, I just ran into it again when mucking with my emacs config and I figured I would solve it this time 21:18:47 It's trivial to write my own version of mapc that does this, but if there is an idiomatic solution I would rather learn it 21:18:55 ah 21:20:43 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:22:01 lide: my advice would be to do so, if you can adapt to the change. I've been typing () on S-9 S-0 for too long. When I rebound [] to () I never used it. 21:23:01 hehe :) 21:24:24 lide: I have [] and () swapped 21:24:30 yeah. I also need to use other keyboards from time to time, and () are common enough things to be used outside of my environment... 21:24:55 ltbarcly1: (mapc (lambda (someargs) (apply func someargs)) args) 21:25:32 -!- pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:25:49 I usually can adapt rapidly to a different keyboard, but it is nice to have the parens available without having to press shift. 21:25:56 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 21:26:22 yeah it gets tedious fast 21:26:33 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:26:51 I think I'm gonna swap parens with brackets 21:27:10 ltbarcly1: I think you want apply-partially. 21:28:10 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:28:25 He wants to eliminate a function, not to replace it with another function. 21:29:09 Harag [~phil@dsl-242-247-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 21:30:55 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 21:32:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:37:12 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:37:20 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:37:33 meiji11 [~user@96.51.60.120] has joined #lisp 21:38:38 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:39:42 -!- francisl [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:43:18 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:43:57 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host110-237-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:44:18 arrsim [~user@2001:44b8:415c:cc01:6ef0:49ff:fe5e:dedb] has joined #lisp 21:46:47 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:46:53 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:47:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:50:25 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl13-207-131.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 21:50:51 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 21:51:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:56:30 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:58:11 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 22:00:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01:11 -!- meiji11 [~user@96.51.60.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:36 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-239-252.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:02:06 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:02:54 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 22:04:09 Nisstyre-laptop [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 22:05:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:05:41 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:06:07 p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has joined #lisp 22:08:49 p_l [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has joined #lisp 22:09:00 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 22:09:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:10:24 -!- p_l|backup [~pl@web1.rootnode.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:11:14 -!- deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:13:28 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:14:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:16:18 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-209-176.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:16:29 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-67-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 22:16:43 -!- VieiraN [~VieiraN@200-171-134-92.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:00 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:18:34 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:20:18 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 22:20:22 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:21:13 why doesn't macroexpand turn this setf into a setq? (macroexpand '(progn (setf x 1))) => (PROGN (SETF X 1)) 22:21:51 deadghost [~deadghost@71-84-68-72.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 22:22:05 macroexpand only works on the form, not all of its subforms. 22:22:06 ltbarcly1: macroexpand only works on the outermost form. 22:22:12 since progn isn't a macro, it doesn't expand. 22:23:10 oh, is there a way to fully expand it? 22:24:27 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:24:42 (macroexpand '(setf x 1)) => (setq x 1); t 22:24:49 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:25:47 I mean is there a way to have something recur down and expand all macros, to see the final code that is compiled after the reader expands everything 22:25:58 ltbarcly1: Some Lisp debuggers, such as Slime, have features like that. 22:25:59 ltbarcly1: aren't you a programmer? 22:26:15 -!- Guest50086 is now known as reg` 22:26:31 #+clisp (ext:expand-form '(progn (setf x 1))) --> (SETQ X 1); T 22:26:51 -!- reg` is now known as nonguest 22:26:54 ltbarcly1: the reader isnt doing the expansions. but there are a few libraries forthat, like macroexpand-dammit. 22:26:59 #+clisp (ext:expand-form '(progn (setf x 1) (setf y x))) --> (PROGN (SETQ X 1) (SETQ Y X)) ; T 22:28:44 I figured out how to do it in slime, I didn't think I would have to go out of the cl package, thanks 22:29:10 The standards leaves a lot to competition amongst vendors. 22:29:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:31:11 alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.121.49.67] has joined #lisp 22:31:37 Hi 22:32:06 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:15 Are there any way to create an anonymous class in CLOS? 22:32:42 yes 22:32:47 what do you want to do with it ? 22:33:23 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 22:33:33 You can use a gensym. 22:33:45 I'm trying to emulate ruby classes 22:33:56 Haven't they names? 22:34:17 they have. still I can x=Class.new 22:34:26 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:34:31 and then open class x and add some methods 22:34:54 (defclass x () ()) 22:34:57 alesguzik: it's in the mop. (make-instance 'standard-class ...) 22:35:04 And then with MOP you can add slots. 22:35:14 alesguzik: do you have a real use case? coming from ruby, i haven't found myself being very limited to lisp's class system. especially not when combined with the MOP. but i'm all ears! 22:35:47 basically I'm woring on ruby implementation atop common lisp 22:35:52 like cl-python 22:35:57 but for ruby 22:36:29 You need to read Kleene's book and AMOP. 22:36:35 alesguzik: ah. you'll have to rethink methods too then. i don't think there's something for implementing ruby's method-missing. perhaps it'd be smarter to rebuild the OO system, instead of using CLOS for it (sadly). 22:36:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:36:46 alesguzik: and of course, peruse CLOSER-MOP. 22:37:14 The method dispatching you will have to implement it yourself. 22:37:53 is ruby OO more message-passing based? 22:37:57 alesguzik: also, by having centralized method objects, each of the method names must have the same arguments in the header 22:38:00 I believe I once got directed by someone regarding a way to implement method-missing in MOP 22:38:04 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 22:38:23 as for method_missing I decided to use hash-map to store metods and redefine "send" metod after every change to eleminate hash lookups 22:38:40 also this makes possible to implement alias_method 22:38:42 well, you can turn method calls into (send object method &rest) 22:38:53 which is semantically correct for ruby 22:39:06 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-88-224.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:17 Bike: yes 22:40:25 Bike: it's more like Smalltalk. 22:40:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:41:41 p_l: this is the way I'm going to implement it. Also I've thought about catching missing method error, defining this method to call method_missing and then restart. But this doesn't help for alias_method 22:42:54 maybe this is naive, but maybe you could have it so that a "foo" method on a "bar" object would be implemented like (defmethod send ((object bar) (message (eql :foo)) &rest args) ...) 22:43:04 -!- doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:43:29 alesguzik: ruby doesn't have method dispatching either. so i think implementing the class-system could be relatively simple 22:44:20 alesguzik: at least not on the arguments, only on the classes (which, i assume, would be the first argument of the method call) 22:44:34 -!- p_l [~pl@2002:5965:ded2::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:44:39 So it has method dispatching. 22:45:13 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.196.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:45:42 p_l [~pl@tsugumi.brage.info] has joined #lisp 22:46:45 -!- arrsim [~user@2001:44b8:415c:cc01:6ef0:49ff:fe5e:dedb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:02 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has joined #lisp 22:47:03 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:50:26 pjb: yeah, true. however, this makes finding the right method *a lot* easier. 22:51:50 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:53:25 there's also the case of variables, which need to be local to the class 22:53:37 alesguzik: it'll be a fun project, it seems 22:53:39 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-95-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 22:53:39 so will it be right to create classes via MOP (all being children of e.g. ruby.core:object) and have slot "methods" and method "send" defined in this ruby.core:object ? 22:54:11 -!- Daisy [~Daisy@109.58.79.19.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:54:14 -!- [SLB] is now known as [SLB]` 22:54:29 alesguzik: i think i'd hack up a new kind of class. perhaps make a ruby-class class or struct and build it up from there. that'll be the easiest, at least 22:54:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:49 Daisy [~Daisy@95.209.63.90.bredband.tre.se] has joined #lisp 22:55:08 alesguzik: well, given that you have to implement a whole new method mechanism, one can indeed wonder whether it'll be useful to map Ruby classes to CLOS classes. 22:55:21 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 22:55:27 alesguzik: do you plan to allow lisp programs to send messages to ruby programs? 22:55:42 I want to have some interoperability between CLOS and ruby classes 22:55:42 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:45 what about non-clos objects, like strings or numbers? 22:55:54 yes 22:55:58 pjb: box them 22:56:10 Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:56:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:56:15 What about passing a lisp array to a ruby method? Will it be able to handle it as an Array? 22:56:53 alesguzik: it's quite possible that you just have a single CLOS class RubyObject. 22:56:57 And I plan to implement some parts of ruby standard library as wrappers around lisp libraries 22:57:04 Do you want to allow to define subclasses of Ruby classes from the lisp side? 22:57:22 If so, then yes, you may want to define one CLOS class per Ruby Class. 22:57:47 alesguzik: the point is that it all depends on other design and implementation choices. You cannot decide that now. 22:57:50 Guest29702 [~xubuntu@186.34.172.167] has joined #lisp 22:57:57 You must first archtecture and design your system. 22:58:32 the word must is so inappropriate 22:58:45 I want to have as much interoperability as possible so be able to use ruby libraries in common lisp 22:59:03 And CL libraries in Ruby? 22:59:15 And what about definiing subclasses of one language in the other? 22:59:33 alesguzik: you could provide auto-boxing and auto-unboxing, i think... and make the calls to the external world explicit 23:00:00 Depending on your design, CLOS can help, since you can write metaclasses. 23:00:01 pjb: also, if you'll keep asking multiple questions at once, you're certain not to get an answer. it's impossible to answer when people keep stoking you with questions. 23:00:27 cl libraries may be used in lisp-ruby code (not directly from ruby) 23:00:29 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:00:30 I don't want to do the design for alesguzik. It's up to him to ask himself those questions and make those design choices! 23:01:03 alesguzik: so a protocol to box and unbox should do the trick, right? 23:01:16 you could use ffi and just wrap the Ruby runtime which is embeddable, that would probably lead to maximum compatibility if you wanted to use Ruby gems with C extensions and such 23:01:45 madnificent: yes 23:01:52 postfuturist: there's a growing number of Ruby libs that use FFI interface instead of Ruby/C bridge 23:02:07 Well, we have CFFI 23:02:20 postfuturist: it isn't really embeddable. also I want to get ruby compiled via CL 23:02:23 postfuturist: from a practical pov, that's quite true. but it wouldn't be exactly the same... (i wonder what alesguzik thinks about that approach) 23:02:34 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178025755.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 23:02:37 alesguzik: is what way isn't it embeddable? 23:02:58 alesguzik: i don't know the limitations, so basic info is welcome 23:02:58 obviously much less fun to build :) 23:03:34 Ruby is perfectly embeddable. 23:04:33 I haven't seen any information about someone embedding ruby somewhere (not as external process) 23:04:58 and yes, it's much less fun to build) 23:05:26 -!- p_nathan [~Adium@75.87.250.229] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:06:14 http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/html/ext_ruby.html search down for "Embedding a Ruby Interpreter" 23:06:23 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:09:01 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:10:02 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:03 postfuturist: when I was searching i stopped somewhere near http://stackoverflow.com/questions/239315/how-to-embed-ruby-in-c 23:10:15 testingtesting` [~user@nv-74-4-136-73.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:19 postfuturist: just checked latest pickaxe and yep, it's there 23:10:32 -!- testingtesting` [~user@nv-74-4-136-73.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:10:44 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:11:02 can I set the default null value to nil instead of :null in postmodern? 23:14:22 robde [~robde@p50858CF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:29 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.96.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:41 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:54 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:16:27 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-21.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 23:16:36 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:18:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:18:25 -!- alesguzik [~alesguzik@178.121.49.67] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:18:34 snearch [~snearch@f053007205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:19:40 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 23:22:48 Demosthenes [~demo@mcc0536d0.tmodns.net] has joined #lisp 23:23:09 -!- dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:24:03 -!- justicefries [~justicefr@50-76-131-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:24:15 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:29:33 bitonic [~user@93-40-114-93.ip38.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 23:30:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:33:38 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:37:08 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:39:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:39:23 -!- ltbarcly1 [~ltbarcly@216.113.168.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:43:23 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@a94-133-182-21.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 23:43:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:43:50 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:14 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@mcc0536d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47:21 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:48:05 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 23:50:37 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:54:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:55:15 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has quit [] 23:57:49 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:58:14 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:59:41 -!- postfuturist [~sgoss@chirashi.kavi.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:49 Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 23:59:49 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-92-175.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:59:49 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp