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[~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:03:00 Qinix [~qinix@124.126.231.224] has joined #lisp 02:03:33 I'm trying to install quicklisp using these instructions: http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/#installation 02:03:40 and am getting this error: http://pastebin.com/pJhADY1W 02:03:44 what gives ? 02:04:19 it's the 4th step 02:04:29 lide: make sure your lisp works in utf-8. 02:04:32 and repl I'm using is clisp 02:04:36 hmmm 02:04:57 where is it defined ? 02:05:08 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 02:10:16 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:12:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:12:59 I have absolutely no idea where to start fixing this problem 02:13:26 all I can say is that I have unicode use flag in my make.conf (gentoo/portage) 02:14:07 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:24 Very few people 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You could try to work it out from . 02:14:27 and looks like everything is commented out in my locales file 02:15:07 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@119.201.52.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15:31 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:53 fold [~fold@66-169-204-12.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:17:07 setmeaway [stemearay@119.201.52.168] has joined #lisp 02:17:45 well I appreciate the help but I don't even understand the relevance of the contents of that link 02:17:53 I'm a complete noob to all this 02:18:09 -!- Qinix [~qinix@124.126.231.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:37 so if anyone could just give step-by-step instructions on another interpreter I can switch to sbcl or whatever, I have no specific reason to stick with clisp other than the book I got happens to use it 02:19:01 -!- iLogical_ [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:12 as a matter of fact I didn't even try to run it in sbcl yet. 02:20:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:20:49 lide: the problem is that CLISP can't read the character encoded by #xc3 in ASCII. going off of pkhuong's link, you might try (setf custom:*pathname-encoding* charset:utf-8). but I've never used clisp. 02:22:00 <|3b|> if your locale isn't utf8, sbcl would probably complain also 02:22:34 lide: er, custom:*default-file-encoding*. 02:22:40 momo-reina [~user@ntt6-ppp313.osaka.sannet.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:22:44 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:31 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:23:46 Bike: I'm going to try it, thx. 02:23:58 and surprisingly, sbcl didn't complain at all 02:24:27 seemed to execute faster too than clisp 02:27:28 Bike: indeed it worked! 02:27:39 Hallelujah. 02:27:58 :p ty both of you 02:29:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:31:05 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@124.90.137.92] has joined #lisp 02:34:11 so what's the current deal with all the dialects? any trends in prefering a certain lisp over others depending on target use? 02:34:16 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:50 lide: If you're modifying Emacs, use emacs-lisp, otherwise use Common Lisp ;) 02:34:55 There are some Lisps for specialized purposes, like Picolisp off the top of my head. This channel is for Common Lisp, though. 02:36:02 Bike: emacs-lisp : emacs :: picolisp : pico? 02:36:06 ;) 02:38:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:41:54 okay 02:42:12 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:42:37 I'm also learning emacs at the same time and losing my hair over it :) 02:43:17 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 02:44:59 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.6.16] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:45:36 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:52 -!- DaDaDOSPrompt [~DaDaDOSPr@75-164-248-214.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:51:03 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:53:29 godseyeview [~godseyevi@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:53:49 hi 02:53:50 anyone here 02:54:28 Yes. 02:54:30 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efficient: just a single word fixnum in memory, whereas a bit-vector is always (in practise) at least 4 words 09:39:33 integers are also immutable, which may be handy 09:40:53 nikodemus: it's a small assembler. 09:41:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:41:08 I'd have gone for bit vectors if only to avoid bugs with leadning zeros. 09:41:14 right 09:41:17 -n 09:41:44 Quadrescence: I think it's just if you want to have the result as integers eventually, why not just always keep it as an integer? 09:42:20 -!- TruthFairy [~Ren@cpe-72-228-189-184.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:23 eught. with-mutex has :wait-p and grab-mutex has :waitp 09:43:41 jasom, At least when I code, I don't ever care about what the end result will be, I care about what the bulk of operations will be. If the bulk will be array-like operations, then an array is probably what should be used. (Unless you want to take advantage of implementation specific speed optimizations.) 09:46:13 Quadrescence: most bitwise operations could be accomplised equally idiomatically on a bit vector or an unsigned-byte though 09:47:02 jasom, the "logical" operations, sure. But looking at the thread, we have mystical bit voodoo for e.g. reversing bits, concatenating bits, swapping bits 09:47:28 reversing bits with ints would be a pain when you mandate the existence of leading zeros 09:48:20 Quadrescence: reversing bits only makes sense with an externally-defined width. 09:48:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:48:52 pkhuong, why can't it make sense for any integer? 09:48:59 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:49:01 without a width defined a priori 09:50:28 chimay [~chimay@160.110-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 09:50:28 -!- chimay [~chimay@160.110-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 09:50:28 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 09:50:45 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:51 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 09:51:26 Quadrescence: because what's the value of "the" most significant bit? 09:51:55 pkhuong, Except when the integer is 0, 1? 09:53:10 reversing 1, 01 and 0001 each yield different results. 09:53:40 yes, and hence why I said "can lead to trouble if [one] mandate[s] the existence of leading zeros" 09:53:56 actually that whole quote is an approximation, so wrap it all in [] 09:54:36 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:51 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:03 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 09:55:37 If you assume that the width is equal to integer-length, recursive definitions stop making sense. Smell. 09:56:14 :) 09:56:15 and reversing bits stops being an (self-)invertible operation. 09:56:31 that's correct 09:58:08 pkhuong: well reversing a bit-vector makes sense, which is I think what Quadrescence is arguing 09:58:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:02:25 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:05:11 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 10:06:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:06:19 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:09:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:17:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:31 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-172.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:19:09 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 10:21:07 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:27 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:24:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:25:08 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:27:29 -!- kanedank` [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:31:47 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-115-71.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 10:34:21 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-155-129.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:37:59 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:39:45 Guest50086 [user@nat/google/x-yqacbmebgixdheiq] has joined #lisp 10:45:21 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:49:23 -!- eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-193-200-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:49:44 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 10:50:32 eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-205-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 10:52:20 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 10:53:05 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:55:00 MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-152-106.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 10:55:16 -!- MoALTz__ [~no@host-92-8-152-106.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:25 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57:54 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-115-71.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:59:07 -!- brandonz [~brandon@c-71-202-142-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:59:15 nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 11:01:07 is it correct if i think that one of lambda's primary uses is to create test functions? 11:01:24 if you remove "test", yes 11:01:53 -!- bitonic [~user@host86-133-198-78.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:03:21 it was a test question :) 11:03:22 Xach: would i ever (often) use lambda without mapcar or a similar mapping operation? 11:03:35 pnpuff you delightful scamp ;) 11:03:58 nydel: i don't know about you, but i sure do 11:04:38 Xach: if you have a minute, & any particular examples come to mind? 11:05:22 i've had trouble understanding lambda & i finally got a glimpse so i'm trying to run with it 11:05:59 *Xach* digs 11:07:28 am i the only one who is bothered by postmodern's interpretation of nil as false? or am i missing something? 11:07:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:08:01 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:08:01 thank you for digging Xach 11:08:16 I guess many of my recent examples *are* test functions, though they're usually one-off, so it doesn't look like it as much 11:08:46 e.g. (defun make-breaker (record-id) (lambda (record) (string/= (id record) record-id))) 11:09:32 well Xach maybe you could tell me if this function search-records(word list) is very poorly written? 11:09:37 (remove-if #'null (mapcar #'(lambda (x) (when (member word x) x)) list)) 11:10:22 list is a list of lists of symbols 11:10:57 nydel: it doesn't look good to me. you are collecting the list over and over? 11:11:21 not actually 11:11:53 X is not a good name for a variable representing a symbol, and LIST is not a good name for a list of symbols. 11:12:12 It looks like it does not work. 11:12:18 more context needed 11:13:22 i am taking notes. they look like this '(i like the band panic! at the disco and feel guilty about that) '(today was a good day) '(i ate too many cashews) 11:13:32 It looks vaguely like something better suited to remove-if-not 11:13:49 i want to search for a keyword and return all the notes that feature the keyword 11:14:30 (remove-if-not (lambda (note) (member search-term note)) notes) might work better. 11:14:53 h/aha! 11:15:02 winning! 11:15:09 thank youuuuuu 11:16:01 sheesh Xach that is exactly what i meant to write. you rock. 11:16:38 read code, read books, write code, repeat 11:16:42 nothing to it! 11:17:13 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:17:40 hah yes, + a little help from the good people of #lisp 11:17:57 (for my methods, not yours necessarily) 11:19:21 -!- nydel [~nydel@ip72-197-235-21.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 11:19:57 eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-195-230-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 11:23:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:23:34 -!- eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-205-164-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:26:27 darn it 11:33:03 for those interested, here was the (almost) 2hr long talk I gave about Lisp & math. The audio and video is a little off but it's not noticeable when the slides start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTI_d-jS6dI 11:33:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:53 tnx! 11:34:22 but it's too long :) 11:34:35 yes it is quite long 11:36:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:43:56 kanedank [~user@anon-170-66.vpn.ipredator.se] has joined #lisp 11:44:20 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-152-106.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 11:44:42 -!- kanedank [~user@anon-170-66.vpn.ipredator.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:43 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 11:45:40 kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:46:07 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:46:12 -!- kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:33 like a quantumespresso calculation, but good idea! 11:49:04 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:49:20 kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:50:26 - 11:50:34 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has left #lisp 11:50:44 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 11:52:00 chimay [~chimay@160.110-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 11:52:00 -!- chimay [~chimay@160.110-67-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Changing host] 11:52:00 chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has joined #lisp 11:53:56 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 11:54:25 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-196-252.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37.219.45.186] has joined #lisp 12:01:54 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:05:52 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:33 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:06:36 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:49 gilligan_ [~gilligan_@p4FEA4C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:06:55 Quadrescence: it would be nice if your RSS feed had full articles. (for gwene/planet-lisp) 12:07:16 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-152-106.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: not a good coding day for me, sorry] 12:07:29 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.28.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:42 -!- magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:11:26 magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has joined #lisp 12:11:36 *Xach* has pestered Quadrescence about that too 12:13:44 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 12:18:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:19:00 eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has joined #lisp 12:20:04 -!- eldariof [~CLD@pppoe-195-230-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20:18 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 12:25:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:45 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:27:49 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:30:22 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:31:15 daimrod, at the moment I have no idea how to fix it. As Xach said he has gotten on my case (rightfully so) for it. 12:32:30 What I really need to do is migrate to some simpler platform. 12:33:37 momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573adb.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:34:38 is there any way to turn off "echoing" when using the read macro to read from *standard-input*? 12:34:59 like, reading a password entered through the keyboard 12:35:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35:16 momo-reina: read is not a macro, and yes, it is possible. it depends on your operating system though. 12:35:22 ext:with-keyboard seems like a clisp only solution 12:35:38 momo-reina: i think for anything but clisp you must roll your own 12:35:42 momo-reina: one way is to call getpasswd 12:35:52 momo-reina: (using e.g. cffi) 12:36:06 H4ns: oh i thought read was a macro... anyway is there anyplace this is documented? 12:36:23 momo-reina: yes, both read and getpasswd are documented 12:37:12 doesn't this require that the guest has getpasswd installed? it's an external program right? 12:37:29 momo-reina: no, it is a posix standard library function 12:37:58 ah, great will look it up right now 12:42:10 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 12:42:48 guest1 [~z@218.60.140.150] has joined #lisp 12:42:53 -!- guest1 [~z@218.60.140.150] has left #lisp 12:43:53 guest1 [~z@218.60.140.150] has joined #lisp 12:44:09 -!- guest1 [~z@218.60.140.150] has left #lisp 12:44:49 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:45:02 momo-reina: sorry, the function is called getpass. apologies. 12:45:57 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:47:19 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 12:47:21 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47:29 thanks H4ns, looking through cffi docs right now... seems like a handful to get through 12:49:24 the fast&easy way is to execute "stty -echo" right before calling read and "stty echo" after 12:49:29 on *nix 12:49:40 momo-reina: on ccl, it would be this: (ccl:%get-cstring (ccl:with-cstrs ((prompt "hello")) (#_getpass prompt))) 12:50:46 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has joined #lisp 12:51:16 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:51:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.47.170] has joined #lisp 12:51:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.47.170] has quit [Changing host] 12:51:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 12:54:49 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:54:49 fe[nl]ix: there's no guarantee it'll work. The implementation may set the attributes at the beginning of each READ. 12:55:05 add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-63-206.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 12:56:37 kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 12:57:24 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-137-28.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:58:48 justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:42 am on sbcl, googling so far has led to nothing except cffi 13:00:03 -!- justinmcp [~justinmcp@ppp118-208-3-7.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:17 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:02:18 (define-alien-routine getpass c-string (prompt c-string)) 13:03:13 (getpass "Foo: ") 13:03:45 -!- setheus [~setheus@cpe-72-190-112-13.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:04:26 (sb-alien:define-alien-routine getpass sb-alien:c-string (prompt sb-alien:c-string)) ; if you're not using the sb-alien package 13:04:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:05:54 nikodemus: getpass has to be loaded first through cffi yes? sorry for the newb question but this is all new to me 13:07:59 no 13:08:24 just paste that into repl, and then getpass will work 13:09:07 cffi (on sbcl) is a layer on top of sbcl's built-in foreign-call facility, aka. sb-alien 13:11:01 the equivalent cffi definition would be (cffi:defcfun getpass :string (prompt :string)) 13:11:22 but to do that you /do/ need to first load cffi 13:11:56 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:15:49 so (define-alien-routine) works 13:16:10 but (getpass "Foo: ") still echoes the characters 13:16:22 momo-reina: in slime_ 13:16:23 ? 13:16:29 and i can't return to the REPL prompt 13:16:34 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:16:35 H4ns: yep 13:16:57 momo-reina: that won't work. the slime repl is not /dev/tty 13:17:12 momo-reina: look at you *inferior-lisp* buffer 13:17:17 your 13:17:32 oops 13:17:44 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37.219.45.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:20:11 works perfectly! 13:20:30 hammer! :) 13:20:56 gvz [~gvz@78-60-148-153.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 13:21:07 dude, how do you learn all of this stuff??? the resources i've been using, Practical Common Lisp, Land of Lisp, etc. don't mention any of this at all. 13:21:08 -!- RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:19 it's a bit depressing 13:21:34 momo-reina: you learn it by investing time into learning it. 13:21:45 momo-reina: you can ask, you can read code, you can read more books. 13:21:56 becoming proficient in like python wasy way easier 13:22:06 momo-reina: *shrug* 13:22:12 H4ns: sometimes i feel though that a lot of this isn't documented? 13:22:58 momo-reina: have you read the getpass manual page? the cffi manual? the clozure cl manual? 13:23:03 H4ns: i looked at the cffi documentation and there were just too many things i didn't understand 13:23:48 momo-reina: stop complaining, please. if you find cl too hard to learn, you can also learn something else. 13:24:29 don't take it the wrong way, i'm not complaining, i'm just confused as to where to go to learn 13:24:59 momo-reina: you are here, you have learned something. continue that way. 13:25:09 momo-reina: ask specific questions and you'll get specific answers. 13:25:22 and why the ccl manual if my implementation is sbcl? 13:25:32 momo-reina: how would i know? 13:25:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27:38 ok sorry that came out like i was complaining, didn't mean it that way. 13:28:11 -!- kanedank [~user@pool-72-74-50-53.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:28:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:31:42 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 13:36:02 momo-reina: it's not a CL question, it's a system question. 13:37:03 momo-reina: you need to know how the unix systems work. And you need to know how a CL implementation on unix would work. You need to think about the workings and relationship between all the software component. emacs, slime, swank, CL implementation, unix system. 13:37:14 pjb: many languages have a better system interface than cl 13:37:24 terminal driver, X11 client library, X11 server, screen driver. 13:37:36 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 13:37:51 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 13:37:51 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 13:38:14 "better". Many language don't have system interface, that's what makes them better. CL has I/O routines that are not primitives: CL does more than most languages or standard libraries. 13:38:28 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:38:32 And that's the problem when you want to do things directly with unix. 13:38:46 [SLB]` [~slabua@host57-169-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 13:39:08 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 13:39:09 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host57-169-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 13:39:09 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 13:39:17 We'd need to define a POSIX CL API. I tried to start such a spec a long time ago, but I don't have the resources to progress on that project. There are a lot of half backed prototypes around that. 13:39:20 LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has joined #lisp 13:39:27 You wouldn't use cl:read, but posix:read etc. 13:39:59 You couldn't use cl:directory, but posix:ftw. 13:40:04 and so on. 13:40:21 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-172.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:40:41 Well, ftw and fts are not in posix it seems, so posix:opendir etc. 13:41:04 yeah. if that existed, one would be able to say that cl has, well, a posix system interface. 13:41:12 but it does not. 13:41:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 13:41:25 Hence those difficulties. 13:46:05 -!- gvz [~gvz@78-60-148-153.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:45 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:50:08 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 13:52:01 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-66-73-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:53:44 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:56:29 -!- momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573adb.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:56:39 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:43 gvz [~gvz@78-60-148-153.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 13:57:49 -!- gvz [~gvz@78-60-148-153.static.zebra.lt] has quit [Client Quit] 13:58:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:00:52 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:03:43 momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573adb.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:04:59 coldnew [~user@61-62-73-147-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has joined #lisp 14:08:30 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:08:34 Brucio-8 [~Brucio-8@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:09:28 Quadrescence: your video is really cool. :D 14:09:49 thanks 14:10:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:12:04 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 14:13:09 -!- Brucio-8 [~Brucio-8@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:13:12 jesusito [~user@10.1.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:16:20 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.111.218] has joined #lisp 14:18:40 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18:56 poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:19:06 -!- momo-reina [~user@aa20111001946f573adb.userreverse.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:23:28 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:23:35 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:21 homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:27:36 -!- homie [~homie@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:28:45 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:23 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:33:33 godseyeview [~godseyevi@99-14-26-190.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:35 hi 14:33:40 anyone here? 14:33:49 ludston [~patience@CPE-121-212-130-64.lns10.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 14:33:56 Aiwass [~user@86.127.136.164] has joined #lisp 14:34:07 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 14:36:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:36:22 sure 14:37:46 -!- pinterface [~pinterfac@173-22-15-5.client.mchsi.com] has left #lisp 14:38:00 pinterface [~pinterfac@173-22-15-5.client.mchsi.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:16 hey 14:40:18 h4ns 14:40:21 do u know prolog? 14:40:42 doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:40:47 no. 14:43:45 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:44:07 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 14:48:12 RJ3000_ [~uid1@109.231.228.146] has joined #lisp 14:48:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 14:48:51 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:48:56 U doesn't know prolog. But some of us may. 14:49:37 godseyeview: There are a lot of people here. Also, just ask your actual question. 14:51:08 kennyd [~kennyd@31.45.170.64] has joined #lisp 14:53:34 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.111.218] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 14:54:12 Notably, PAIP prolog. 14:57:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:53 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:04:02 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:04:30 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:10 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:23 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 15:06:43 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-36.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:07:51 Kopfstein [~user@unaffiliated/apoidea] has joined #lisp 15:08:18 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053003178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:08:27 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:08 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:10:37 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 15:10:41 -p :P 15:11:11 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:12:17 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@124-170-216-35.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:12:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:13:21 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:18:07 H4ns: gooe one (: 15:20:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:22:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:23:40 pkhuong: hu? 15:24:07 -!- jesusito [~user@10.1.221.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has left #lisp 15:26:54 H4ns: "no." is how classic prolog prompts report failure. 15:27:39 heh. 15:28:28 Programming Prolog is just like talking to a three year old =) 15:29:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:31:31 -!- magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:31:49 magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has joined #lisp 15:32:32 -d :( 15:32:34 fold [~fold@66-169-204-12.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 15:34:02 NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has joined #lisp 15:34:50 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:35:31 *ski* . o O ( "1972 - Alain Colmerauer designs the logic language Prolog. His goal is to create a language with the intelligence of a two year old. He proves he has reached his goal by showing a Prolog session that says \"No.\" to every query." ) 15:35:50 -!- coldnew [~user@61-62-73-147-adsl-tpe.dynamic.so-net.net.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:36:18 urandom__ [~user@p548A3926.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:37:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:38:21 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:38:38 ski: nice 15:39:41 i suppose most people have probably seen already 15:39:51 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:41:42 PuffTheMagic [u3325@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jmjkbtrltfjexcnc] has joined #lisp 15:42:00 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 15:42:03 so i haven't written any lisp in over a year, i am a little rusty 15:42:12 is there anyw ay to do a mult line feature expression 15:43:06 PuffTheMagic: lisp isn't line oriented, except for ;-comments. Newline is just whitespace. 15:43:49 i guess what i mean is, if I do #+:somesymbol 15:44:13 that normally only works for the next expression 15:44:20 not all expressions following it right? 15:44:52 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:45:06 -!- magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:20 PuffTheMagic: right. reader conditionals only work on one form at a time. You may be able to wrap everything in a progn. 15:45:43 ok 15:46:18 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:46:35 -!- Kopfstein [~user@unaffiliated/apoidea] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:29 ehu [~ehu@5ED1D2E2.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #lisp 15:48:19 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 15:48:36 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.47.170] has joined #lisp 15:48:41 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.47.170] has quit [Changing host] 15:48:42 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:50:07 thanks 15:52:07 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:35 -!- Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-36.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:53:23 magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has joined #lisp 15:53:57 sched_yield on windows is not defined ? 15:54:03 wth 15:54:04 -!- drl_ [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:54:50 If the conditionals become very hairy, #.` *might* be appropriate (probably not). 15:55:45 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56:26 sb-alien:undefined-alien-error undefined alien: "sched_yield" i get... 15:56:43 are threads not implemented there ? 15:57:43 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:57:57 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:23 I think I'm slowly, accidentally developing an ad hoc, informally-specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of SERIES. :S 16:03:33 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 16:07:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:09:12 -!- adeht [void@flash.ignite.lol.vc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:14:06 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@212-226-75-2-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:16:32 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:09 -!- ludston [~patience@CPE-121-212-130-64.lns10.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:56 alama [~textual@stgt-4d02402e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:56 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:18:54 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:27 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:21:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:22:18 ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has joined #lisp 16:22:31 amohrland [~user@nv-74-4-136-73.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 16:22:49 jjkola [~jjkola@212-226-75-2-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 16:23:21 -!- amohrland [~user@nv-74-4-136-73.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 16:24:30 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:28:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:28:49 mritz [~textual@173-13-153-50-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:32:52 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:33:24 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:33:26 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:37:50 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:23 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:39:43 -!- Digit [~jt_kirk@85.211.200.240] has left #lisp 16:42:07 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:11 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:42:24 if you know you're doing it, can it really be accidental at this point? 16:42:29 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:42:40 has anyone used ITERATE within cl-who:w-h-o? I get "Iterate does not know how to handle the special form (MACROLET ((HTM..." 16:43:37 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:44:37 Xach, Well, I'm not sure that is what I'm doing, but the more I do the more it seems I am. 16:44:42 Bike [~Glossina@65-100-32-36.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:03 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1168074916.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:45:25 CL-USER> (collect (map-generator #'square (xrange 1 3))) 16:45:25 (1 4 9) 16:45:34 that looks pretty SERIESy 16:45:50 Quadrescence: I've got threading-queue on github, perhaps that can help you? 16:46:39 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:46:39 sadly SBCL only ATM, but I'm planning to use some other library for more compatibility 16:46:51 flip214, help me with what? 16:47:03 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:47:04 re-implement something SERIES alike? 16:47:35 I'm not really interested in re-implementing SERIES. It just so happens that my experiments make that appear as if I am. 16:47:49 -!- blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:57 Really, I'm just playing around with sort of Python-ish generators. 16:48:16 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:49:08 (generators also happen to be a good use-case for restarts) 16:50:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:51:24 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:52:02 -!- mritz [~textual@173-13-153-50-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:53:14 -!- LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:57:07 -!- Aiwass [~user@86.127.136.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:07 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:25 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined 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[~healy@96.231.222.72] has joined #lisp 18:42:49 -!- chimay [~chimay@unaffiliated/chimay] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1] 18:43:05 Xtreme [~ghost@unaffiliated/xtreme] has joined #lisp 18:45:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:50 keltvek [~keltvek@89-212-113-105.static.t-2.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:59 Hello 18:46:35 LoL 18:46:42 you hello in both channel 18:46:43 hullo 18:46:58 hallo 18:47:15 megamind1, both channels? 18:47:23 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:48:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.37.132] has joined #lisp 18:48:06 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.37.132] has quit [Changing host] 18:48:06 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:48:42 yep 18:48:50 #lisp and #Clojure 18:49:27 actually i want to learn a functional language. but dont know should i start with clojure or list 18:49:29 lisp* 18:49:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 18:50:08 just like me 18:50:10 Xtreme: clojure is much more functional, common lisp is multi paradigme, and lets you mix and mash styles more freely. 18:50:17 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:50:40 but lisp won't get in your way if you want to learn FP 18:50:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 18:51:00 Clojure on CLR seem to be not very charming, such on JVM 18:51:04 FP? 18:51:15 FP = Functional Programmming 18:51:16 *pavelpenev* says hi to #lisp after a few days of illness. 18:51:59 so should i start with clojure? 18:52:01 anyway, Xtreme, you can try F# , Haskell for FP 18:52:17 F# no thanks... i hate microsoft. 18:52:27 hi pavelpenev! 18:52:29 Xtreme: This chanel will recomend common lisp, #clojure will recomend clojure :) 18:52:40 to start with Lisp family, I think Scheme or Common Lisp will be a wise choice 18:53:06 good point.. start the family with ancestors 18:53:19 I actually think clojure is a better scheme than scheme, so skip that one :) 18:53:43 razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has joined #lisp 18:53:43 guys you are confusing me 18:53:48 hi 18:53:51 Clojure is that choice when you want more concurrency, multithreading, CLR or Java support 18:54:11 googling clojure vs lisp 18:54:15 I finally understood special vars and lexical/dynamic scope 18:54:48 LoL, Clojure is a Lisp family language 18:55:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:55:18 Xtreme: just learn Common Lisp, Clojure and scheme will be easy after that. 18:55:37 pavelpenev, cool.. no problem.. :) 18:55:45 can anyone suggest me a good ide? 18:55:51 Emacs 18:55:57 emacs 18:56:04 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:56:05 +slime 18:56:06 i like a lot of what i read about clojure 18:56:29 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:33 Xtreme: the free options are emacs+slime, or vim+slimv. There are a few commercial ones, but they are quite expensive. 18:56:35 just use it , doomlord 18:56:41 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:57:13 alanpearce_ [~alan@c251.adsl.inet-telecom.org] has joined #lisp 18:57:14 Xtreme: you'll find everything you need to know here: http://cliki.net/ 18:57:19 pavelpenev, which one you prefer.. i am looking for something like netbeans 18:57:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@31.45.170.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:40 but i also like scheme as its more likely embedable in a c/c++ program 18:57:48 Xtreme: I use emacs, but none of them are like netbeans. There will be culture shock :) 18:58:12 doomlord: how more likely can you be than 1? 18:58:38 I intended to use Clojure with my previous CLR work, but I just lost my excitement when work on VS2010 =.=" ... Don't know if it's better on Java or for Java programmer. 18:59:04 -!- alanpearce [~alan@home.alanpearce.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:11 i'm describing "embeddability" as a variable i.e. how suitable it is for embedding , versus other choices 18:59:18 doomlord: ecl 18:59:23 pjb, hi , nice to see you again here ;) 18:59:36 qhcr [~user@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:59:43 Since there exist ecl, probability of beling able to embed CL in a C or C++ program is 1. 18:59:55 s/beling/being/ 19:00:07 my wording is slightly wrong to explain the idea i'm trying to convey 19:00:19 totally agree about ECL 19:00:33 ECL does sound interesting 19:00:36 The idea that I'm trying to convey is that if you need to embed a lisp into a C program just do it using ecl. 19:00:45 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:01:01 scheme is smaller than common lisp though ? 19:01:12 doomlord: Is that a good thing? 19:01:23 There's a CL implementation that takes 500 lines of C. (+ 500 lines of lisp). 19:01:24 for embedding it may well be 19:01:26 lisp500.c 19:01:32 ok sounds interesting 19:01:43 r7rs will be bigger a standard than CLHS. 19:01:53 is that a subset though... it wont have the whole of CLOS though etc ? 19:02:03 Yes, lisp500 is a subset of CL. 19:02:08 ok fair enough 19:03:19 To be noted is that there will be *two* standards of r7rs... 19:03:25 a 500loc implemenation sounds ideal for being customized for functionality in the host c/c++ program 19:03:38 add^_: well, you can easily define your own subset of CL. 19:03:50 doomlord: no, it's not. Just use libecl. 19:04:00 unless you're programming on a PIC with 254 bytes of RAM. 19:04:05 :-) 19:04:48 does the mop guarantee the order of slots in a class? 19:04:57 No, it can't. 19:05:03 because of multiple-inheritance. 19:05:04 -!- werd` [~user@bobby.CS.unlv.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:18 is discussion of ecl , lisp500 and interfaceing to a host c/c++ program ontopic here 19:05:20 werd` [~user@bobby.CS.unlv.edu] has joined #lisp 19:05:20 And metaclasses can store slots however it wants. 19:05:30 doomlord: AFAIK, yes. 19:05:32 ok, thanks 19:05:37 ah great 19:05:47 doomlord: if you're afraid it's not you can also try #lisp-lab 19:06:24 can a host c/c++ program expose its internal 'objects' (c++ structs and classes) as objects in an embedded lisp via those implementations 19:06:25 Perhaps we should have a #meta-lisp for meta questions about the use of the right lisp channel. See also http://cliki.net/IRC 19:06:32 doomlord: yes. 19:06:40 doomlord: check swig + cffi 19:06:45 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has left #lisp 19:06:51 by the way, I want to ask about how Lisp Compiler compile Macros ? 19:06:52 doomlord: however, with C++ you will have difficulties if your code uses a lot of templates. 19:07:08 interfacing with different langauges is why I like to hover between C and C++ 19:07:19 i.e. i like the ability to drop back to C for exactly that reason 19:07:21 megamind1: basically (funcall (macro-function (first sexp)) sexp environment) 19:07:47 Interface - that's why I try to use Clojure on CLR . 19:08:35 megamind1: AFAIK clojure on CLR is in very bad shape, unless they pulled it out of its rut in the last year. 19:08:42 "funcallable objects" is my idea for slot acessors 19:09:09 (which i gather clojure has) 19:09:20 pjb, normally, doesn't Lisp Compiler compile function into something ? 19:09:23 kennyd [~kennyd@31.45.170.64] has joined #lisp 19:09:37 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09:42 megamind1: not necessarily. Only Minimal Compilation is specified. The rest is implementation dependant. 19:10:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:10:06 pavelpenev, it's right. I'm just playing with it to see if it's good enough to handle my current CLR assets. 19:10:37 pjb, like fast-load obj ? 19:10:39 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:10:46 megamind1: implementation dependant. 19:11:20 for example, on CCL 19:11:26 IIRC there's some provision that (load "file.lisp") may instead load file.fasl, but that's all. 19:11:38 that's it 19:11:47 or rather (load "file") may load "file.fasl". 19:11:57 (load "file.lisp") will load the source. 19:12:16 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:13:11 what's happened with .fasl 19:13:19 bytecode type ? 19:13:24 megamind1: implementation dependant. 19:13:40 clisp fasl files contains sexps. 19:13:55 (that contain byte code). 19:14:22 I'm playing with a lisp call FsharpLisp, and it compile function into IL code, but now if I add macros into it. It will just be used in compile time, the compiled code may not contain macro function. 19:14:41 Rightly so. 19:15:05 which mean, macros will only be used by interpreter and compiler 19:15:06 Is FsharpLisp a Common Lisp? 19:15:13 not yet 19:15:15 In Common Lisp, yes. 19:15:25 so in here. 19:15:29 Unless you explicitely call them at run-time with a form as above. 19:15:58 In this kind of design, I think it's pretty hard 19:16:14 Study more CL. 19:16:28 It's actually very simple. 19:16:31 not really the problem with CL 19:16:39 it's of CLR 19:16:43 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/03_.htm 19:19:06 I'm targetting FSharpLisp to be a Common Lisp implementation 19:19:28 Then you should read the clhs in 11 ways. 19:19:37 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:19:52 and Lisp in Small Pieces http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/LiSP.html http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/Books/LiSP-2ndEdition-2006Dec11.tgz 19:20:20 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:20:32 but hard to say, in progress. I may change it into something else more effective 19:20:41 -!- Xtreme [~ghost@unaffiliated/xtreme] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:21:00 way too much book to read :D 19:21:14 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 19:21:43 the guy that first started this project is just for learning about reflection and IL code emit on .NET 19:25:41 -!- DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@75-164-248-214.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: DaDaDosPrompt] 19:26:20 -!- qhcr [~user@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:21 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:30:20 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:34 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:30:34 #lib 19:31:44 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 19:32:16 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:34:28 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: none] 19:37:19 qhcr [~user@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:37:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:38:08 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38:57 -!- megamind1 [~Nevermind@113.190.165.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:39:25 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:41:28 ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.241] has joined #lisp 19:41:40 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:48 -!- werd` [~user@bobby.CS.unlv.edu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:46:31 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:46:41 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:46:55 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:48:09 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:49:22 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 19:50:07 s/#//p (lisp is beautiful:) 19:50:41 -!- ykm [~ykm@124.155.255.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:51:56 ops s/p/b/p ^^ 19:52:29 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:52:38 superflit_ [~superflit@65-128-38-151.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 19:52:52 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:53:16 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:16 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 19:53:24 eheh 19:53:25 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:44 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:54:07 i'm sorry! :( 19:55:33 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 19:55:55 justicefries [~justicefr@c-24-9-171-36.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:59:03 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:33 hi 20:00:47 anyone know how to load a prolog file in prolog? 20:01:03 peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 20:01:50 godseyeview: this channel is about common lisp, not about prolog 20:02:07 ['file.pl']. % IIRC. 20:02:50 I think pjb's code is right, but that's the version you use in the database (program) file 20:02:55 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:03:45 If you're querying (at the REPL, that is) a DB you have to use something else I can't remember. Of course, the easiest way to fix that is to just start your prolog with the file as the DB 20:04:03 sbenitezb [~sebas@186.136.23.25] has joined #lisp 20:06:56 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:07:51 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:08:15 no one is talking on prolog 20:09:44 how do u do blocks in prolog? 20:11:47 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has joined #lisp 20:12:42 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.115.244] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:13:21 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:58 -!- doomlord [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 20:14:16 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.220] has joined #lisp 20:15:37 godseyeview: can you go to a suitable channeL/ 20:15:54 well i asked in there 20:15:58 and no one is talkin 20:16:15 i figured lisp is the next closest thing 20:16:22 nope 20:16:30 then what is 20:16:40 don't know 20:17:01 hmm... Mercury? 20:17:07 godseyeview: mercury is derived from prolog 20:17:10 though Mercury is pretty crazy even compared to prolog 20:17:17 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 20:17:23 ok 20:17:50 *p_l|backup* has some weird ideas about using lisp and prolog in one application (two different runtimes, too) 20:18:20 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:19:54 (ECL or Chicken Scheme for support functions and external interface, prolog for actual "logic") 20:19:54 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-63-206.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 20:24:59 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:27:15 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:27:33 p_l|backup: PAIP prolog. 20:27:54 Otherwise, IIRC, dmiles has integrated ecl and swi-prolog. 20:28:00 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host57-4-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:28:54 -!- eldarik [~CLD@pppoe-204-244-dyn-sr.volgaline.ru] has quit [] 20:28:59 pjb: swi might be a bit too heavy - I'm thinking of building up a system service and I already pull in bullshitty deps (DBus) 20:29:27 (I want to get rid of NetworkManager) 20:29:58 -!- cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:58 cryptic [~cryptic@pool-96-246-91-191.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:33:32 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:34:08 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:35:18 -!- sbenitezb [~sebas@186.136.23.25] has left #lisp 20:37:36 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-71-191-38-245.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:38:40 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:42:07 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 20:43:54 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:44:24 Natch [~Natch@c-1dcce155.25-4-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:44:32 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 20:45:48 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:46:48 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:27 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 20:48:42 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:49:26 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:52:25 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-220-76.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:40 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:17 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@31.45.170.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:39 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:02:59 seems i was not able to bootstrap sbcl on win7 with a mingw compiler the latest stable and the mingw tools, it gets a correct magic number incorporated into the image but complains about it somehow.... 21:03:04 i dunno what the issue is 21:03:39 it's the same hex number, but it complains, maybe a representation issue (types) 21:06:26 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053003178.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:08:46 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:09:19 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 21:11:49 -!- LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:13:07 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:16:36 -!- poindontcare [~user@c-50-131-221-119.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:18:52 so postmodern does not give me a way to query the database and stop reading rows when there are more rows in the results set? doquery does not like (return) in the body. 21:20:00 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.220] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:22:09 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:24:14 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:24:18 LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has joined #lisp 21:27:34 H4ns: that's unfortunate. 21:28:31 huangjs [~huangjs@69.84.244.131] has joined #lisp 21:30:01 punee_ [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #lisp 21:30:14 -!- tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:30:21 tali713 [~user@c-76-17-236-129.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:24 -!- BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:30:28 superflit_ [~superflit@75-171-217-176.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:10 -!- LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:31:25 -!- superflit [~superflit@65-128-38-151.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:31:25 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 21:32:03 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:32:03 -!- punee_ is now known as punee 21:32:04 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:33:04 how can I define an serial typed primary key in postmodern? 21:33:52 kennyd [~kennyd@31.45.170.64] has joined #lisp 21:34:06 or something like with(oids=true) 21:34:54 huangjs: a serial would be just an integer with a :col-default of (:next-val 'the-sequence) if you use daos 21:35:24 huangjs: (and (:key 'the-slot-name) in the class options for the class 21:35:52 H4ns: yes, i specified (:key oid) but dao-table-definition doesn't show the PK definition 21:36:01 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:36:15 huangjs: i've never worked with oids 21:36:18 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:48 H4ns: how do you specify primary key then? 21:37:14 ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has joined #lisp 21:37:33 (id :col-type serial :accessor id-of)? 21:37:55 huangjs: (defclass bla ((foo :col-type integer :col-default (:nextval 'the-seq) ...)) (:keys foo)) 21:38:20 H4ns: i see 21:38:30 huangjs: the manual exists. it is not long, but it covers the basic things. 21:38:40 H4ns: i read it 21:38:49 read it again 21:39:52 ok, i did what you said, but "CONSTRAINT image_pkey PRIMARY KEY (oid )," is still not there 21:40:06 did i write oid anywhere? 21:41:03 Is there a list of all CL functions that take environment objects somewhere? 21:41:50 H4ns: i think i'll use :col-type serial and let pg do that for me 21:42:07 huangjs: i did not know that such a col-type exists. 21:42:11 Bike: no. I'm working on something like that. 21:42:28 H4ns: but it works 21:42:29 Bike: from the tip of my head, the only function that takes an environment object in CL are macroexpand and macroexpand-1. 21:42:35 huangjs: nice! 21:42:43 pjb: find-class does too. but I can't imagine there are very many. 21:43:18 -!- _d3f [~d3f@79.172.193.130] has quit [Quit: _d3f] 21:43:19 It's surprizing that find-class needs, one, I don't know how one could define a local class. 21:43:44 it says it's "used to distinguish between compile-time and run-time environments" which seems a bit weird. 21:44:52 TruthFairy [~juan@cpe-72-228-189-184.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:45:01 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:45:09 Yes. Well, you could have (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) (defclass something () ())) and later (find-class 'something nil environment) in some macro. 21:45:37 some macro that could be used only at compilation time, that is. 21:46:42 In https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/lisp/cl-definition.lisp I want to buid a complete declarative description of the CL package. 21:46:50 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:47:18 It's far from complete. 21:47:43 Sounds handy. 21:47:47 COMPILER-MACRO-FUNCTION and MACRO-FUNCTION take environments too. 21:49:25 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-233-125.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:49 H4ns: ok, it was my typo, I typed :key instead of :keys 21:54:05 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54:45 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:45 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:58:29 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:04:11 1,$s/:(/:)/ 22:04:35 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: .] 22:07:48 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:09:47 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:12:40 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.35.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:19 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:19:37 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: dobranoc/good night\] 22:21:51 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:22:54 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:30:35 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-4-219.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:51 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:41 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:32:42 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 22:35:38 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 22:37:07 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:18 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 22:37:43 H4ns: another question, how do you define foreign keys? it's in the s-sql but not in postmodern manual 22:38:12 H4ns: and generally? how doesn dao map to s-sql? 22:38:13 huangjs: it is in the postmodern reference, look for !foreign 22:38:23 H4ns: ah, that's it... 22:38:36 read the manual, really 22:38:52 ok 22:39:26 H4ns: i understand the query can accept s-sql, but defclass is not well documented 22:39:57 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:09 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:17 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 22:42:22 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:22 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 22:42:51 -!- qhcr [~user@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:42:53 defclass is well documented in the ansi spec 22:43:03 you need to know clos to use daos 22:43:04 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 22:44:17 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 22:46:42 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:49:32 H4ns: i know clos, i don't know how pgsql maps to dao 22:49:55 H4ns: btw, !foreign reported *table-name* not bound 22:49:58 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:50:02 huangjs: you wrote that "defclass is not well documented" 22:50:04 H4ns: so how do you use it in dao defclass ? 22:50:22 H4ns: i mean the mapping between s-sql to dao defclass 22:50:41 huangjs: i use (pomo:deftable foo (pomo:!dao-def) (pomo:!foreign ..)) 22:50:53 H4ns: so you don't use defclass 22:51:06 -!- snits [~snits@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:25 huangjs: sure i do. you need both, defclass to define the dao layout and deftable to define the actual table 22:51:36 H4ns: ok, i see 22:51:39 huangjs: i think a) this is confusing and b) it sucks 22:51:46 Kuloto [~user@227.8.pool.kuban.skylink.ru] has joined #lisp 22:51:47 H4ns: it's confusing 22:52:04 H4ns: i do (execute (dao-table-definition ...)), so i though deftable is not needed 22:52:12 huangjs: i've been more than inclined to write something better, but shelved the idea because i need to make progress. 22:52:31 huangjs: then you can't declare foreign keys 22:52:42 H4ns: yeah, that's why i'm confused 22:52:44 was 22:53:01 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:16 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:55:47 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:55:54 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 22:57:14 snits [~snits@75-167-13-218.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:57:33 -!- Guest63225 [~prefect@koln-4d0dce93.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:58:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 22:58:09 -!- Kuloto [~user@227.8.pool.kuban.skylink.ru] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 22:58:58 -!- gilligan_ [~gilligan_@p4FEA4C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:01:03 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 23:03:28 -!- b0ef`` [~user@52.168.102.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:35 b0ef`` [~user@52.168.102.62.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 23:04:07 qhcr [~user@xdsl-78-35-158-21.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:05:00 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:07 romanlvov [~romanlvov@227.8.pool.kuban.skylink.ru] has joined #lisp 23:07:27 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:08:19 H4ns: now my tables are in good shape. thanks for the help! 23:08:28 congrats! :) 23:11:27 mritz [~textual@173-13-153-50-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:31 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:17:42 ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has joined #lisp 23:20:08 H4ns: btw, in your with-connection, ,spec should be quoted, i'm writing (with-connection '(...)) 23:21:07 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@unaffiliated/pirateking---/x-2885143] has joined #lisp 23:21:54 H4ns: and doquery only uses *database*, and I'm moving data between two databases ... :) 23:22:14 oh, that should be fine 23:22:31 -!- romanlvov [~romanlvov@227.8.pool.kuban.skylink.ru] has left #lisp 23:22:36 -!- lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:24:28 -!- ori-l [~ori-l@wikipedia/ori-livneh] has quit [Quit: bye.] 23:24:42 foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.168] has joined #lisp 23:25:00 lggr [~lggr@84-73-159-126.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 23:25:54 -!- ISF [~ivan@189.61.221.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:16 H4ns: btw, did you remove upsert-dao? 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