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03:54:04 Modius: http://dwim.hu/darcsweb/darcsweb.cgi doesn't work for you? 03:54:51 Modius: also, quicklisp has a nice way for pulling milestones of working libs with their dependencies, although stefil is quite independent these days... 03:55:13 I came to grief following the link on here: http://www.cliki.net/Stefil 03:55:26 This link doesn't work: http://dwim.hu/project/hu.dwim.stefil 03:56:09 oh well... that half baked website of ours... 03:56:39 What's the line to actually pull the repo? 03:57:50 Sorry nvm 03:58:07 darcs get http://dwim.hu/live/hu.dwim.stefil/ 04:03:55 I probably missed the memo - is this part of some effort to "namespace" all the lisp libraries? 04:04:07 hu.dwim.* stuff 04:05:14 Modius: no, we just had too many repos with random names, some even clashing or too genera, so we refactored all our stuff at one point. there was also much more project/infrastructure redundancy before the refactor... 04:05:46 Is it the case that I'd have to pull down dwim.hu.asdf and any other dependencies to use the tip of stefil? 04:07:03 Modius: not with stefil, because people were complaining enough to treat stefil separately and copy/paste a few stuff there to keep it independent 04:08:10 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 04:08:29 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:35 I'm looking at the tip and it seems to want hu.dwim.asdf in hu.dwim.stefil.asd 04:11:00 Modius: I remembered incorrectly, it depends on hu.dwim.asdf and alexandria 04:14:10 -!- jjkola [~androirc@193-64-23-182-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:17:47 Modius: I chose to use fiveam... 04:18:01 Stefil seems to work - interesting. 04:18:36 (lispworks/win32/emacs so stuff "just working" is always a pleasant surprise) 04:20:04 I'm a fiveam comitter and have quite a few patches in it. but workflow with stefil feels much more natural using slime than any other test frameworks we tried before writing stefil (but YMMV of course... :) 04:21:02 *attila_lendvai* is baffled what broke dwim.hu when there are no new patches for some half a year anywhere... 04:21:24 attila_lendvai: have you checked out https://github.com/rpav/CheckL ? I've been meaning to try it and see how it feels. 04:21:36 -!- Nisstyre_ [~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:22:50 sykopomp: no, I either missed it, or having been a java monkey for too long, maybe I didn't dig deeper than "Why write programs in Common Lisp but tests like Java? Meet CheckL!" 04:23:36 Just seems like a nice idea. There's some unit testing things popping up that may be worth integrating into CL. 04:23:43 err, into fiveam* 04:25:52 asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has joined #lisp 04:26:04 Being able to execute code in with our source, and trivially grab said source via macros, this would seem the quintessential "everyone write your own" lisp library. 04:28:10 yeah, there are countless test libs for lisp... what made us write our own is that none of them provided a workflow that resembled anything related to slime. e.g. when a failure happens, I want to have the option to land in the slime debugger with the backtrace and the full state of the test program... 04:28:54 Yeah, this page: http://common-lisp.net/project/stefil/demo.html got right to the point on that. . . 04:29:03 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 04:29:30 -!- pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:31:03 Nisstyre_ [~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 04:32:04 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:33:40 -!- n00b6502 [~ceti331@host81-157-102-115.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:35:36 attila_lendvai: Is there any logistical usage pattern for stefil that you could quickly impart - e.g. is there a bias toward putting unit tests in distinct files vs in the same file as the source? Can/do you define the suite in one file but spread its contents across severaal? 04:37:57 Modius: I like keeping test in a separate directory/package, so that I can rgrep for things easily. I haven't even tried mixing code and tests in the same file, but I don't see anything why it shouldn't work. 04:38:42 attil_lendvaai: Do you share a project in there, of substance, that would be a good example of stylistically how you do unit tests? 04:38:48 Modius: suites work like CL packages as much as possible without slime support (C-c C-c will not pick up in-package forms, but redefining tests will keep them in their original suite) 04:40:16 Modius: I think perec is the one that uses stefil the most thoroughly, but its test suite is not trivial to run (needs an sql db). reiterate may be a more self-contained one, but its test suite is much smaller 04:43:44 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 04:43:49 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:44:56 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:54:36 -!- jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: afk] 04:54:56 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:54:59 jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 04:55:09 benny [~user@i577A75A6.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 04:58:10 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.101.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:01:17 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 05:01:55 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@firewall-dcd1.acceleration.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:05:26 woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 05:08:48 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.28.157] has joined #lisp 05:12:24 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-mvflsbqjfpdijjrb] has joined #lisp 05:18:01 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.71.210] has joined #lisp 05:24:23 *attila_lendvai* restored dwim.hu but is baffled by some unexpected sideffect of something on js compilation... 05:28:35 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-dmvlunnvnpxmwtfu] has joined #lisp 05:28:35 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-dmvlunnvnpxmwtfu] has quit [Changing host] 05:28:35 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:30:37 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-mvflsbqjfpdijjrb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:30:38 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-125-214.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:30:57 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ptqianavcaxotpja] has joined #lisp 05:31:23 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.28.157] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 05:33:04 springz [~springz@118-163-74-175.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:33:53 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-59-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 05:34:49 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-rfprexwffpzetthx] has joined #lisp 05:37:15 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:37:22 strobegen [~strobegen@64.120.223.138] has joined #lisp 05:38:01 -!- jfe_ [~jfe@ool-18bfe75c.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 05:40:52 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 05:52:03 stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has joined #lisp 05:52:45 -!- moore33 [~moore@ABordeaux-153-1-54-65.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:55:16 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 05:58:37 teggi [~teggi@123.20.49.227] has joined #lisp 05:59:18 -!- mritz [~textual@cpe-66-25-166-122.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:01:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:02:06 -!- ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has left #lisp 06:02:48 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0738.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 06:03:04 -!- sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:03:33 sbryant [freenode@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe93:e02d] has joined #lisp 06:06:37 damian-- [~damian@109.227.55.123] has joined #lisp 06:08:37 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:45 Anyone knows in what package is lispwork's run-program? I dont see it being mentioned in here: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lcl50/aug/aug-94.html#HEADING94 06:10:41 -!- woudshoo [~user@ironhead.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10:50 are you actually using liquid common lisp? in any case, just do (apropos "RUN-PROGRAM")? 06:11:06 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 06:14:24 damian--: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw61/LW/html/lw-1342.htm 06:15:24 Thanks! 06:15:31 -!- damian-- [~damian@109.227.55.123] has quit [Quit: quit] 06:16:13 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:17:52 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 06:17:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 06:17:53 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:18:21 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:19 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 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[~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 09:32:40 cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has joined #lisp 09:34:19 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:34:20 -!- Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon 09:35:06 yakov [~yakov@spb.nexenta.com] has joined #lisp 09:39:11 -!- easye [~user@213.33.70.157] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:35 Is there a general library to use, instead of explicit calling impl-dependent functions like sb-ext:run-program? 09:41:16 -!- jack_rabbit [~kyle@c-98-212-128-247.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:19 you can use trivial-shell 09:44:40 Ok, yes, looks nice. Any broader lisp library to make a program list-implementation-independent? 09:45:16 H4ns: you're behind trivial-shell, right? 09:45:23 hmm... 09:45:24 mskou72: iolib 09:46:11 -!- harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-rfprexwffpzetthx] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:47:25 Fullmoon_ [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 09:47:33 loke_erc: not at all 09:47:48 H4ns: Oh ok :-) 09:48:44 H4ns: I have had the need for a platform-independent way of exiting the runtime (like SB-EXT:EXIT) and I figured trivial-shell would be a reasonable place to havbe it 09:49:20 loke_erc: fair suggestion - trivial-shell is on github, you can clone it and send a pull request :) 09:49:21 I suppose trivial-dump-core would be another reasonable library to have it 09:49:27 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:49:27 -!- Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon 09:49:31 -!- shifty [~user@114-198-35-89.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:48 H4ns: OK. I can do that. 09:50:00 loke_erc: there is buildapp for sbcl - that'd be a good starting point 09:50:23 H4ns: you mean create a new library that only does that? 09:50:39 trivial-exit-runtime? 09:50:59 loke_erc: no, i mean buildapp is what trivial-dump-core could be 09:51:11 loke_erc: (just sbcl specific atm) 09:51:28 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 09:51:50 Fair enough, but that's a lot more work than just cerating a platform-independent exit. 09:52:07 Although, it would be much more in line with what I need :-) 09:53:52 Fullmoon_ [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 09:54:30 loke_erc: the platform-independent exit would be well suited for trivial-shell, i think 09:55:19 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:55:20 -!- Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon 09:55:58 H4ns: I'll create it. Although I'm unable to test LW and Allegro 09:56:09 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-58-32.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 09:56:45 loke_erc: how's that? 09:56:52 I don't have them 09:57:05 loke_erc: well, if you wanted to, you can download both 09:57:11 I can? 09:57:21 sure. both have a crippled free version. 09:57:25 LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 09:57:32 Surely Allegro doesnt? 09:57:35 I know about the LW one 09:57:36 sure does 09:57:48 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-49-166.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 09:57:58 OK fair enough 09:58:02 I'll check it out 09:58:06 Thanks 09:59:23 Fullmoon_ [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 10:00:30 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:00:30 -!- Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon 10:02:13 Fullmoon_ [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 10:03:59 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-exqlofbpkxwuibyb] has joined #lisp 10:04:00 -!- kushal 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Annoyingly it's making less sense this time around. 12:16:37 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:16:49 -!- LaughingMan_ is now known as LaughingMan 12:18:29 read it backwards? 12:18:32 ams: what do you think about http://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/against-callcc.html 12:19:41 mstevens: Try PAIP. 12:21:23 antoszka: basically a good idea, but it does require working out what I did with my copy 12:21:53 That'd be a major loss. 12:21:55 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:21:57 dim: You will need to condense that for me if you wish me to comment on it. 12:22:11 antoszka: I'm fairly sure it's in one of 20 boxes 12:22:59 dim: A quick skim of the article leads me to say that who ever wrote this is smoking some really bad pot. 12:23:56 you mean not smoking the same pot as you enjoy smoking? 12:24:05 dim: It starts with the premesis that call/cc is the "ultimate abstraction of control"; then continues with incorrect claims regarding Dijkstra's essay regarding structured programming. 12:25:12 dim: I didn't bother reading it any more, maybe it does have a point... Maybe it doesn't. But from a first glance, complete bobbel gobbel. 12:25:35 (and for the record, Dijkstra never argued against GOTO) 12:26:55 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:26:57 (or rather, not GOTO as we use it today) 12:28:27 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:28:52 yeah, earlier GOTOs were much better ... none of this CO2 discussions etc. ;) 12:29:05 haha 12:31:16 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-8-69.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:32:07 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:32:30 Thra11_ [~thrall@183.1.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 12:34:16 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 12:34:31 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@0x5da0f2f6.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1101.odnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:35:02 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 12:35:21 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.135.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:15 Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.10.83] has joined #lisp 12:37:16 Fullmoon_ [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 12:39:07 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:39:07 -!- Fullmoon_ is now known as Fullmoon 12:39:33 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@183.1.113.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:43:11 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.242.190] has joined #lisp 12:43:19 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:43:21 LiamH [~healy@96.231.222.72] has joined #lisp 12:43:21 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.10.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:43:34 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-189-27.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:46 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has joined #lisp 12:51:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:52:30 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Client Quit] 12:52:35 leo2007 [~leo@182.48.111.218] has joined #lisp 12:52:53 asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has joined #lisp 12:55:56 SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has joined #lisp 12:56:11 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:48 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@2001:470:8:d80:8df3:9b2c:5cd7:8805] has quit [Quit: ipmonger] 13:05:13 ams: Actually, that article is quite good. It doesn't start with the premise of call/cc being the "ultimate abstraction of control", it spends most of its time showing that that is not the case, in fact. 13:06:11 -!- ArmyOfBruce [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:06:34 sellout42: ams or Oleg, obviously Oleg must be way off base. 13:06:41 ArmyOfBruce [~bmitchene@waywardmonkeys.com] has joined #lisp 13:07:01 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:07:55 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 13:07:56 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:08:15 sellout42: Might read it carefully, but scrolling it doesn't make me curious about it. Lots of baseless claims and whatnot. 13:09:28 ams: The intro is a good summary, the rest is full of solid bases for the claims in the intro. 13:09:32 ams: your reading skills are a bit rusty if you think that. try harder 13:09:43 pkhuong: Only the stupid take the opinion of another at face value, the critical intelligent person examines the facts and creates his own opinion on the matter. 13:10:10 No function to convert datetime string to data? 13:10:13 sellout42: Maybe, I don't know. 13:10:28 -!- ncw [~ncw@host86-162-159-134.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:51 fe[nl]ix: Right, you're are3 not existant though; I have multiple times mentioned that I did not read the article, and only skimmed it. Oh, and you're on ignore. Have a good day. 13:10:53 mskou72: look at local-time 13:11:19 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o fe[nl]ix 13:11:24 -!- ams [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has been kicked from #lisp by fe[nl]ix (ams) 13:11:29 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o fe[nl]ix 13:11:29 ams [ams@gnu/inetutils/ams] has joined #lisp 13:11:51 "kick like a pro" 13:12:05 Jeez, so childish. 13:12:37 mskou72: net-telent-date 13:12:54 Thanks, 13:13:52 People with op's are people who don't code enough. =) 13:19:24 ams: please don't call people stupid in here, and do consider that curious thing called "trust" before doing wrong generalisation about people 13:22:17 ncw [~ncw@host86-162-159-134.range86-162.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:13 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:28 -!- mskou72 [~mskou72@91.144.254.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:06 Buglouse [~Buglouse@unaffiliated/Buglouse] has joined #lisp 13:31:20 gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has joined #lisp 13:31:21 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:50 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:27 kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.78] has joined #lisp 13:38:27 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.78] has quit [Changing host] 13:38:27 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:39:17 mq [72fa1f4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.250.31.74] has joined #lisp 13:43:19 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.187.181] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 13:44:12 dim: ANd please refrain from accusing people of absurd lies; I didn't call any person here stupid. 13:45:42 -!- kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:46:46 ams: Enough trolling. 13:47:48 Yeah, cheers. 13:48:02 Seems this place is even worse than it was many years ago... 13:48:03 -!- ams [ams@gnu/inetutils/ams] has left #lisp 13:48:37 "thanks to you" is what i wanted to say. but it's already solved :D 13:48:37 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 13:51:48 gshan [~shan@122.169.130.43] has joined #lisp 13:52:37 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has joined #lisp 13:53:58 -!- jdz [~jdz@91.105.18.48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:55:15 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:55:44 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 14:03:06 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:32 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:38 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 14:04:16 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 14:04:55 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:42 -!- mq [72fa1f4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.114.250.31.74] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:07:44 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.32.32] has joined #lisp 14:11:22 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 14:11:39 homie [~levgue@84.44.153.18] has joined #lisp 14:11:48 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-153-18.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 14:12:00 http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/hotspot-gc-dev/2012-September/004918.html <- I believe this is good news for ABCL users. 14:12:25 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:18:15 impressive for a single commit 14:19:11 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:21 When was the last clisp update? 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15:05:44 I need to know whether the function to exit the runtime in CMU is EXTENSIONS:EXIT? 15:06:35 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:23 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:07:23 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 15:07:27 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 15:07:49 loke: no, it is ext:quit 15:08:09 loke: EXIT is a new sbclism 15:08:18 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:08:24 Also a CLISP'ism :-) 15:09:02 Also, isn't the "default" error code for a failed run -1 on Windows? (as opposed to 1 for Unix) 15:09:37 By trivial-shell:exit can take an integer, or the special codes :SUCCESS or :FAILURE... The question is: should I map :FAILURE to -1 on Windows? 15:09:48 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:13:01 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.114.242.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:13:02 common windows ERRORLEVELs are 0-255, as far as i remember 15:13:19 H4ns: yeah, same as Unix then 15:16:16 in clhs 3.2.4.2.2 Definition of Similarity, it says in symbol: Two apparently uninterned symbols S and C are similar if their names are similar. 15:16:51 does this mean that either compile-file or load may coalesce (list '#:foo '#:foo) into a list of two items that are the same? 15:17:35 (load of a compiled file) 15:20:37 sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has joined #lisp 15:21:20 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 15:21:20 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 15:21:20 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 15:23:22 mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-66-73-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:07 vlion_ [~vlion@66-87-70-147.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:29 ah, in 3.2.4.4 Additional Constraints on Externalizable Objects, it makes an exception for symbols and packages 15:29:43 what is the Lispworks function to exit? 15:31:28 oh 15:31:30 loke: (apropos "quit") 15:31:34 LW:QUIT :CODE nn 15:33:37 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:21 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-qcvkxzzfhcjntdlr] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 15:38:10 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.49.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:08 Thra11 [~thrall@87.112.173.49] has joined #lisp 15:39:59 other than clojure.. do any other lisps have funcall-able collections and structs by default eg ('#(10 20 30) 1) => 20 15:39:59 n00b6502, memo from pjb: have a look at http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/com/informatimago/small-cl-pgms/ibcl/index.html 15:41:22 thanks pjb 15:43:05 Bike [~Glossina@63-229-129-146.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:00 n00b6502: with the meta-object protocol in common lisp, you can define funcallable classes, i.e. classes whose metaclass is funcallable-standard-class 15:46:31 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 15:46:44 n00b6502: #(10 20 30) doesn't need to be quoted 15:46:49 -!- NikolaiDante [~nikolaida@unaffiliated/knighterrant] has quit [Quit: bye] 15:46:51 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:47:49 FSet's collections are funcallable. 15:48:10 and with SBCL you can extend the sequence class hierarchy 15:48:11 n00b6502: although in most implementations, the collections you might define using classes will not be reusable from common lisp's own functions, such as reduce 15:48:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 15:48:41 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-19-235.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:52:01 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:55:16 thanks 15:55:21 kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.205] has joined #lisp 15:55:21 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.165.205] has quit [Changing host] 15:55:21 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:56:24 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-saulpyzriokqounr] has joined #lisp 16:01:14 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:10 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@168.Red-88-7-16.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:04:40 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:24 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:07:20 -!- trebor_dki [~user@kvpn.lbf.fraunhofer.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:22 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178024994.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:13:55 Wishing REMHASH was actually called DELHASH. 16:14:56 sellout42: DELHASH sounds like something Spanish 16:15:24 remhash sounds like something georgian 16:15:51 why note delete-hash? 16:15:59 That's fine, too. 16:16:07 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:17:22 I just have a functional hash table here, and I'd like REMHASH (or REMOVE-HASH) to be the functional version of DELHASH, as REMOVE/DELETE are for sequences. 16:18:21 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-saulpyzriokqounr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:57 -!- paolo_m [~user@2-228-95-110.ip190.fastwebnet.it] has left #lisp 16:20:09 jjkola [~androirc@212-226-59-10-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #lisp 16:20:31 -!- vlion_ [~vlion@66-87-70-147.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 16:20:44 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:21:00 sellout42: hash:remove (: 16:21:55 pkhuong: Even better :) I actually do partition the CL symbols into multiple packages already, but I haven't been brave enough to actually rename them. 16:22:39 Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.0.245] has joined #lisp 16:25:24 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:25:37 abeaumont [~abeaumont@208.Red-79-148-144.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:26:20 while you're at it, delete/remove distinction is vague for the uninitiated 16:27:15 maybe something like OMIT, as in omit, return a copy/part of the structure, while omitting X 16:27:42 or some other suitable verb 16:28:35 ALL-EXCEPT 16:28:54 sans! 16:29:34 or just call it filter 16:29:50 -!- cfy [~cfy@unaffiliated/chenfengyuan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:29:53 sykopomp: but then people will expect remove-if-not. 16:30:25 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:30:28 (defun filter-if-not (&rest args) (declare (ignore args)) (error "Go away.")) 16:30:30 done 16:30:45 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 16:30:58 sykopomp: no... filter is another name for remove-if-not. 16:31:01 other variants are: exclude, disregard, eliminate 16:31:07 pnpuff` [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:31:29 (defun irregardless ...)? 16:31:34 eliminate sounds more destructive 16:32:04 s/append/assimilate/ too? 16:32:04 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:32:49 sykopomp: assimilate is more fitting for SETF 16:33:15 m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.232] has joined #lisp 16:34:17 -!- pnpuff` [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has left #lisp 16:35:27 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:36:53 H4ns: I've created the pull request, in case you were interested in seeing it. :-) 16:36:59 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:37:04 https://github.com/gwkkwg/trivial-shell/pull/5 16:37:14 That's for anyone else who may be interested 16:37:40 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:37:49 loke: that will only work on new SBCLs 16:38:24 Xach: um 16:38:36 Xach: What happens on old ones? 16:38:45 undefined function 16:38:51 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:38:54 what was it called in old versions? 16:38:59 quit 16:39:05 sb-ext:quit? 16:39:06 the symbol EXIT is not external in the package SB-EXT 16:39:09 loke: yes 16:39:19 arguments are the same? 16:39:26 i don't think so 16:39:39 Hmm 16:39:42 hate to fix tomorrow 16:39:44 have 16:39:50 need to leave now. see you later :-) 16:40:03 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.41.180] has joined #lisp 16:40:04 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.41.180] has quit [Changing host] 16:40:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 16:41:09 -!- leo2007 [~leo@182.48.111.218] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.2.1] 16:41:21 and its semantics were different 16:41:30 loke: docs are missing 16:42:42 loke: other than that and the sbcl problem, it looks proper to me 16:43:18 oh, they're not different, exit in a thread still just exits the thread 16:43:33 they're different from what you want 16:44:05 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 16:44:24 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:44:40 oh wait, disregard the last two sentences 16:44:51 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:12 the semantics are indeed differnt, just sb-ext:quit will exit the current thread, while sb-ext:exit will exit the whole process 16:52:33 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:01 -!- Indecipherable [~Indeciphe@41.13.0.245] has quit [Quit: used jmIrc] 16:53:44 SanderM_ [~quassel@131.174.85.222] has joined #lisp 16:53:46 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@80.90.116.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:42 -!- SanderM [~quassel@vhe-400104.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:54:47 -!- piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-49-166.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:55:12 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:55:18 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58:20 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 16:59:18 -!- mattrepl [~mattrepl@pool-72-66-73-241.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mattrepl] 17:02:21 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-66-57.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:05:31 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@87.112.173.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:05:54 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 17:07:15 lolprog [~let@94-225-44-126.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 17:07:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:09:00 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-66-57.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 17:10:24 tensorpudding [~michael@108.87.23.209] has joined #lisp 17:10:51 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:11:08 ok, left a comment on the merge request, also regarding the same problem in CMUCL 17:11:28 who would've though that exiting might be that hard! 17:11:38 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178024994.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: zzzz] 17:13:37 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178024994.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 17:13:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.41.180] has joined #lisp 17:13:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.41.180] has quit [Changing host] 17:13:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 17:13:54 stassats: cmucl has threads now? 17:14:15 it had them for, i don't know, countless years! 17:14:35 stassats: ah, you mean mp processes 17:14:42 or i mean that. ok. 17:15:25 well, they're green, but other than that, the issue with QUIT is the same 17:15:45 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 17:16:09 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:35 not that CMUCL is any relevant nowadays 17:16:41 -!- ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:17:30 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:51 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 17:19:14 Thra11 [~thrall@234.231.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has joined #lisp 17:25:00 -!- yakov [~yakov@spb.nexenta.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:25:35 -!- am0c is now known as pets 17:25:40 -!- pets is now known as am0c 17:32:04 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:37 paul0 [~paul0@177.132.103.142] has joined #lisp 17:38:52 Ioke +1 17:39:09 re: trivial-shell. Good thought. Thanks for adding it. 17:40:34 Loke more like 17:40:35 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:41:42 why is it in trivial-shell, though? 17:41:49 whoops. Thanks Xach. How's the holiday weekend/quicklisp hacking? 17:42:01 stassats: because it fits? 17:42:11 stassats: A reasonable question but since the project of mine that would use that functionality already imports trivial-shell, I'm not complaining. :) 17:42:56 H4ns: perhaps i am confused by the "shell" bit 17:43:32 stassats: trivial-shell lets you call the shell and return to it, too :) 17:43:57 in combination with "trivial" is suggests that the only thing it does is calling shell commands 17:44:00 s/is/it/ 17:44:29 i'd say it trivially wraps basic shell functionality. it has getenv, too 17:44:57 but gary can still reject it anyway 17:46:07 -!- bitonic [~user@vm-shell1.doc.ic.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:55 -!- dan64 [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:49:58 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:54:19 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 17:54:28 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:55:07 infix-doller-reader *facepalm* 17:55:29 "buddy mach den beat doller" (sorry) 17:56:19 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 17:56:19 Is there a better way of doing this? Getting rid of `eval', for example. 17:57:14 didi: you could make gtk-list-store-new be a macro, too. 17:58:14 H4ns: I did that! But I could *not*, for the life of me, make the argument eval. 17:58:28 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 17:58:50 what do you mean by "make the argument eval"? 17:59:07 didi, sorry for offtop, are you writing gtk wrapper? 17:59:19 H4ns: So (let ((list (list 4 2))) (gtk-list-store-new list)) would fail. 17:59:20 asvil: Nope. 18:00:26 didi: how would gtk-list-store-new be invoked? 18:00:50 -!- sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:01:01 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:01:47 didi: btw, we use paste.lisp.org, mostly because it knows how to colorize lisp and allows you to comment on a previous post. 18:04:59 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-174-242.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 18:05:39 asvil: didi is writing, just doesn't want to admit it 18:06:30 jdz [~jdz@91.105.18.48] has joined #lisp 18:06:30 -!- djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06:30 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06:31 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06:31 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 18:06:31 djinni` [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 18:06:31 -!- pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: http://www.redeclipse.net -- Fast-paced online FPS] 18:06:31 pskosinski [~pk@czu186.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 18:06:32 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 18:06:32 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 18:07:02 dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has joined #lisp 18:07:02 -!- dan64- [dan64@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:7dc0] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:07:04 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:07:32 asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has joined #lisp 18:07:43 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 18:07:59 stassats-gem! 18:08:06 I told you... 18:09:26 sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 H4ns: It would be invoked with a list of "types". The list is not known. So (gtk-list-store-new (:int :string)) would work with a macro but the list (:int :string) would be passed by the user. 18:11:09 didi: at run time? 18:11:18 Yes. 18:11:18 didi: clearly, you need to write a more run-time friendly foreign function interface as well 18:11:33 stassats: Sure. 18:12:04 -!- steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178024994.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:22 didi: that sounds like a brittle thing to do, but anyway: instead of eval, you can use (compile nil (lambda (...) ...)) to compile a function at runtime that you can later cal 18:12:24 l 18:13:16 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13:20 H4ns: The big picture here is to build a `foreign-funcall' based on a list of things. 18:14:13 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 18:14:46 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-68-174-154-238.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:58 each time it's called? that's gotta be pretty slow 18:15:24 you can memoize the functions if you use compile like i said 18:16:45 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:17:34 -!- sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:18:36 ehu [~ehu@109.35.69.191] has joined #lisp 18:23:38 steffi_s [~marioooh@bas5-montreal28-1178024994.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 18:24:49 dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:29 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.25.29] has joined #lisp 18:28:33 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@234.231.125.91.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:31:49 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.25.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:32:22 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:44 loke: (ext:quit) works on half the implementations I have installed. Hardly a clisp'ism. On the other hand, (sb-ext:anything) will work only on sbcl. 18:35:14 clisp, cmucl, and ecl provide an EXT package. 18:35:14 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.84.55] has joined #lisp 18:43:49 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:46:19 asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has joined #lisp 18:47:45 zephyrfalcon [~zephyrfal@adsl-074-229-200-227.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:30 As does abcl 18:48:38 -!- ehu [~ehu@109.35.69.191] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:49:11 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 18:49:28 qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #lisp 18:49:30 ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:50:12 name coincidence isn't really helpful here, as it behaves differently 18:53:58 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:54:43 stassats: let's write a CDR. 18:56:40 pjb: why would anybody quit lisp? 18:57:01 Indeed. But scripts. 18:57:33 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 18:57:43 just establish a catch tag, throw to it 18:57:58 sambio [~sam@190.57.227.107] has joined #lisp 18:58:13 That breaks into the debugger, not exit lisp. 18:58:22 it does? 18:58:35 No, I'm not awake yet. 19:00:04 unless you have multi-threaded scripts, of course 19:00:54 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:01:03 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:01:04 and not all implementations have something like --script 19:02:05 -!- jdz [~jdz@91.105.18.48] has quit [Quit: Byebye.] 19:02:42 Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:04:07 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A1DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:23 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.84.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:05:25 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:48 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:53 Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 19:06:12 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 19:06:27 -!- dmx [~dmx@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:08:47 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-59-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:10:19 -!- ivan\ is now known as ivan\\ 19:15:01 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 19:15:06 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:18:22 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.84.55] has joined #lisp 19:22:34 Tristam [~Tristam@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 19:23:09 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.114.84.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:23:13 Thra11 [~thrall@46.208.221.163] has joined #lisp 19:26:28 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 19:26:51 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 19:28:20 [SLB]` [~slabua@host104-68-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:28:44 Oxyd_ [~oxyd@pdpc/supporter/student/oxyd] has joined #lisp 19:28:45 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 19:28:46 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host104-68-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 19:28:46 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:30:07 -!- Oxyd [~oxyd@pdpc/supporter/student/oxyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:22 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.121.6.112] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:30:23 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Client Quit] 19:31:40 [SLB]` [~slabua@host104-68-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 19:32:04 -!- [SLB]` is now known as [SLB] 19:32:05 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host104-68-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 19:32:05 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:32:55 hi, I'm playing with smug, and I was wondering if it wouldn't make more sense if the macro =AND reuse the same input. http://paste.lisp.org/display/131496 19:33:38 -!- sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:33:48 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has joined #lisp 19:34:32 sellout42 [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:35:07 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has quit [Client Quit] 19:35:21 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@46.208.221.163] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:35:30 mishoo [~mishoo@178.138.34.59] has joined #lisp 19:36:11 daimrod: parsing combinators work with success that consumes the input by default. It might have been more intuitive to call that "then", but your use case isn't that common. There might be a combinator that undoes input consumption on success. 19:37:13 araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has joined #lisp 19:37:13 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.73.45.171] has quit [Changing host] 19:37:13 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 19:38:51 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 19:40:27 pkhuong: ok, so =AND is just a shortcut. e.g. (=let* ((_ (p1)) ... 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I'm looking for a recomended scheme-lisp to install on FreeBSD for reading SICP. Any Recomendations? 21:14:22 UNIXgod: ask in #scheme. 21:14:23 UNIXgod: You might prefer #scheme. 21:14:30 thank you =) 21:15:10 I have a book coming for common lisp as well. Which one for that as well? 21:15:28 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:58 sbcl, clozure cl or clisp 21:16:44 H4ns: any specific recomendation to start with? should I just experiment. I am very new to this. 21:17:19 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:17:34 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 21:17:37 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 21:17:38 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 21:17:38 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:17:38 Greetings lispers 21:17:55 -!- ehu [~ehu@ip167-22-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18:12 UNIXgod: no. most people use sbcl in this channel, but clisp is more friendly and clozure cl is more mac-like and offers better debugging (imo, ymmv etc) 21:18:29 H4ns: thank you. 21:19:22 H4ns: Do you use the Clozure CL IDE on Mac? 21:19:33 ThomasH: no, i use slime 21:20:50 H4ns: I'm curious about it. I should just install it on my wife's Mac and try it out. 21:20:54 TimKack [~user@c-2ec23f6c-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 21:21:14 ThomasH: you can install it through the app store, so it should be very easy to try out 21:22:18 -!- kuzary is now known as lactuca_virosa 21:23:18 -!- TimKack [~user@c-2ec23f6c-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has left #lisp 21:25:00 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:25:18 -!- hugod [~user@70.24.177.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:20 hugod [~user@70.24.177.33] has joined #lisp 21:27:28 I'm also interested in playing with the CCL EasyGUI. It's not clear from the documentation if the IDE uses the EasyGUI or not. 21:28:43 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 21:28:53 ThomasH: It doesnt in the implementation, but you can mix EasyGUI code and more direct Objective-C. It's just a layer of functions on top. 21:29:19 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:29:38 sellout42: So the IDE is written in Objective-C? 21:30:06 I should just check out the source. 21:30:08 ThomasH: It's written using an Objective-C FFI from lisp. 21:30:23 sellout42: Ok 21:30:48 H4ns: what do people use for production servers sbcl? 21:31:57 UNIXgod: i use both sbcl and clozure cl. i also had clisp and cmucl based applications deployed in the past 21:32:01 ThomasH: http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/CocoaBridge 21:32:43 -!- aslan69 [~aslan69@c-75-71-21-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: aslan69] 21:35:07 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-226-220.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:36:59 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 21:39:20 sellout42: What we need is an open source CAPI. I was looking at EasyGUI to see if it had potential to fill that need. 21:40:29 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-59-123.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 21:41:20 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:41:36 Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.97.117] has joined #lisp 21:42:07 commonqt is pretty close, IMHO 21:42:14 ThomasH: I think that's beyond what EasyGUI was meant for. I know there was an MCL-compatibility library in progress at some point, but no real funding for it  that might have gotten closer. 21:42:24 p_l: it lacks a closy interface 21:42:31 stassats: then make one on top of it 21:42:42 -!- Thra11 [~thrall@146.90.67.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:42:44 easier said than done! 21:43:32 sellout42: On windows, there was graphics-forms, but I don't know what ever happened to it. 21:43:34 true, but building a complete GUI library from scratch would be harder, IMHO 21:43:49 ThomasH: on windows, you can link into .NET 21:43:53 i've made some abstractions for things that i use 21:43:59 although RDNZL needs a serious upgrade 21:44:15 (a lot of the necessary stuff can be imported through DCOM, though) 21:44:42 p_l: I have other uses for RDNZL anyway. It's that way to interface with other programs, now. 21:44:55 p_l: Need to spend some time with that. 21:45:00 i should poke David to give me access to cl.net commonqt site, maybe put there more documentation on how to get it working on various OSes 21:45:22 or even put something prebuilt for windows 21:45:22 -!- Gurragchaa [u6439@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bnftysxoiqbpicsm] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:47:36 *sigh* PROG1, give me all my values 21:47:37 -!- Thra11_ [~thrall@87.115.97.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:47:47 clhs m-v-p 21:47:48 multiple-value-prog1: http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/s_mult_1.htm 21:47:56 there you go 21:47:58 Ah, right :) 21:48:09 What is the point of PROG1? 21:48:20 (I mean, the non-m-v one) 21:48:23 saving all the values may be costly 21:48:34 and you know how they cherished every byte back in the day 21:49:27 Every little byte is precious 21:49:54 too be there isn't m-v-prog2 21:50:07 too bad 21:50:11 I guess graphics-forms fell by the wayside when everything on windows became centered on .NET. 21:50:34 ThomasH: I suspect the author might have earned enough to buy himself a copy of LW ;) 21:51:07 p_l: Hah! 21:52:21 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-141-58-32.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:53:09 ThomasH: or found other pastures than windows, or went with separate processes for GUI and logic etc. 21:53:29 or moved to HTML5 21:55:08 Since CommonQT seems to be fairly active and well implemented, it is probably the best route towards a cross-platform toolkit. 21:55:35 yes, i support that decision! 21:56:30 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@82.208.57.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:56:58 stassats: Yeah, letting Qt take care of the cross-platform bit greatly reduces the overhead. 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