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install of sbcl using debian cl-sql 03:52:45 when I try to do (open-store *test-database-config*) 03:52:56 (total cl noob here) 03:53:01 any suggestions? 03:53:16 debian packages are usually kind of out of date 03:53:53 yeah, that's what I was afraid of. 03:54:07 unfortunately this was working the other day, but 03:54:19 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-21-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 03:54:22 I was installing packages while a running image was already up. 03:54:32 I imagine I installed something that's conflicting 03:54:39 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-21-158.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:55:02 maybe I'll remove debian cl-sql* packages and try again with quicklisp 03:55:10 (I assume that's the preferred method?) 03:55:41 andrewsw: yes. also, googling around suggests that you may be missing sql libraries... 03:55:52 (http://lists.b9.com/pipermail/clsql/2004-May/000863.html) 03:56:50 hmmm... 03:56:53 okay 03:56:56 *andrewsw* tries again 03:58:05 as I watch the purge, there were quite a few relevant debian module loaded. 03:58:30 I think I had installed cl-sql via ql, and then installed cl-sql-sqlite3 via aptitude. 04:04:20 Bike: that's got it. thanks for the pointer! 04:04:24 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.43.12] has joined #lisp 04:04:28 no problem 04:04:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.43.12] has quit [Changing host] 04:04:28 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:05:15 -!- pearle [~pearle@DRMONS0505W-142134023232.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOp.ns.bellaliant.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:07:09 glistle [~glistle@dsl-066-037-092-122.citizip.com] has joined #lisp 04:08:30 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:19 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 04:10:21 syamajala [~syamajala@c-75-68-106-118.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:16:49 MoALTz 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[~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:57:39 disciple: can i put it in ~/.emacs.d/something ? i want to keep this user's home directory really clean 07:58:10 -!- agumonkey [~agu@191.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:58:24 agumonkey [~agu@191.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:59 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 07:59:24 harish [~harish@111.65.29.23] has joined #lisp 07:59:38 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust329.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:59:46 <|3b|> nydel: #emacs knows more about configuring emacs, i think it is ~/.emacs.d/init.el though 08:00:09 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust329.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:18 thanks |3b| - i wonder what a .el is. 08:00:26 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust329.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:00:30 <|3b|> see also http://www.emacswiki.org 08:00:44 <|3b|> .el is the usual extension for 'emacs lisp' files 08:01:03 <|3b|> which is a different language from common lisp, which is what we talk about here 08:01:04 nydel: assuming ~/.emacs.d/something gets loaded at startup, sure you can put it there. 08:01:54 |3b|: the 'inferior-lisp' inside emacs, is that always clisp? 08:01:59 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 08:02:00 disciple: that's what i was thinking 08:02:04 nydel: if you are new to emacs use one of those starter kits. 08:02:22 <|3b|> 'clisp' is a particular implementation of common lisp, but not the only one 08:02:35 disciple: i'm not new exactly, i just never learned formally so i'm filling in blanks 08:02:55 <|3b|> and i think at least some scheme and clojure users uses those as 'inferior lisp's 08:02:59 nydel: still, the starter kits are useful. 08:03:24 |3b|: i've never used anything but clisp inside emacs, i had no idea there was a separate emacs lisp. i know there many lisps but i didn't know that. 08:03:28 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:03:29 nydel: (setq inferior-lisp-program "/path/to/your/lisp") 08:03:54 *|3b|* usually uses sbcl or ccl rather than clisp 08:04:01 disciple: so "inferior-lisp" is just kind of a winking shot at "something other than el? 08:04:16 <|3b|> no, 'inferior' as in 'child process' 08:04:16 disciple: starter kits are? 08:04:22 anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 08:04:49 |3b|: oh - of course. sorry, i haven't had my coffee 08:05:04 <|3b|> emacs lisp (abbreviated 'elisp') is the scripting language for emacs itself, most emacs modes, and a lot of the normal functionality is written in elisp 08:05:17 <|3b|> also the emacs config files are elisp 08:05:22 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-113-154.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 08:05:33 DataLink_ [~DataLinkD@CPE-124-184-255-139.lns14.cht.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:05:49 |3b|: may i ask your preferred text editor for 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clos to store data or when to use nested alists? In clos you can define methods, but it also seems to complicate matters for small solutions. 09:50:46 mskou: i use plists, not alists, as i find them more pleasant to read 09:51:12 mskou: i'm often starting with plists and convert to clos when i recognize that things get messy 09:52:17 -!- df___ is now known as df_ 09:52:52 *maxm* learned to skip the whole "start with lists then recognize you have a mess" part and starts with clos from the get go 09:53:49 mrSpec [~Spec@89-159-1-27.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #lisp 09:53:50 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-159-1-27.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Changing host] 09:53:50 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 09:53:55 maxm: i often write throw-away programs where i can make good use of the extra flexibility that plists give me. 09:53:57 *didi* likes a-lists specially for the reason stated in CLTL2 09:53:57 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 09:54:13 didi: do you have a link? 09:54:19 didi for dynamic binding? 09:54:25 https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node153.html#SECTION001960000000000000000 09:54:38 "An advantage of the a-list representation is that an a-list can be incrementally augmented simply by adding new entries to the front." 09:54:59 didi: and that can't be done with plists exactly why? 09:55:08 H4ns: I didn't say that. 09:55:25 didi: ah, i thought you wanted to say that you like alists better than plists. 09:55:33 Nope. 09:55:52 didi: so why do you like them better than plists, then? :) 09:56:12 H4ns: Hehe. I'm not doing that. ;^) 09:56:46 -!- harish [~harish@111.65.29.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:57:09 an extra bonus of plists is that it is easy to destructure them using lambda lists, or print them using format with no extra code required. 09:57:20 i see little reason to use alists, really. 09:57:30 didi: i'm not telling you, mind you :) 09:57:45 <|3b|> alists are easier to sort 09:58:03 -!- superflit [~superflit@140.226.4.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:58:10 |3b|: fair point. 09:58:14 *|3b|* sometimes goes hash-table for easy adding -> alist for sort -> plist for print 09:58:27 -!- disciple [~krishna@117.207.107.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58:31 add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-55-137.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:58:33 disciple1 [~krishna@117.201.21.219] has joined #lisp 09:58:33 <|3b|> since alexandria has convenient functions to convert between them 10:03:30 Xach: I'm here. And I actually don't remember putting it to github. It's not even my code. 10:03:37 But I should have it somewhere. 10:03:53 (That's about trivial-irc) 10:06:36 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:48 This seems to be the main repo: https://github.com/karvus/trivial-irc 10:12:51 DT`` [~ea@95.234.194.234] has joined #lisp 10:14:05 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-relfezqlvltvotrq] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:17:30 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-229-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 10:18:44 bitonic [~user@li146-81.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 10:19:55 -!- DT`` [~ea@95.234.194.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:35 DT`` [~ea@95.234.194.234] has joined #lisp 10:22:53 thanks 10:23:43 -!- liushui [~liushui@60.222.248.168] has quit [Quit: ] 10:26:21 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vfzdrvrzykzerbxn] has joined #lisp 10:28:15 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.2] 10:37:19 gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 10:38:05 I were parsing a very large string into a function and the function caused a heap exhaustion. Does sbcl print out the input string? 10:38:46 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-vfzdrvrzykzerbxn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:40:23 *|3b|* failed to parse the question... sbcl prints what you tell it to print, including by the rePl 10:41:07 I do not have a print anywhere in this function 10:41:16 <|3b|> does it return anything? 10:41:33 <|3b|> the P in REPL stands for PRINT 10:41:38 Yes, but it doesn't return the input string 10:41:48 I'm aware of the P in REPL 10:42:15 <|3b|> shouldn't be printing things if you didn't tell it to, unless maybe someone misconfigured a debugger or something 10:42:15 we don't understand ... do you want the string to be printed or are you asking why it is printed (when you don't want it to be printed) ? 10:42:37 I'm asking why is it printing when I do not want it to be 10:43:01 I suspect it's because of a heap exhaustion, but I'm not sure if that is the default behaviour with sbcl 10:43:07 <|3b|> so it is definitely printing something other than a heap exhausted error? 10:43:14 *|3b|* did not get that from the original question 10:43:26 It may print the error, but it disappears before I can catch it 10:43:45 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-cjtvvxcfhkuczins] has joined #lisp 10:43:48 did you try redirecting output into a file? no need to catch it manually 10:43:50 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 10:44:00 <|3b|> if it were printing enough data to exhaust the heap, seems like that would be pretty obvious 10:44:03 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:44:03 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.229.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:44:07 I have not tried this. 10:44:49 clhs dribble 10:44:49 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_dribbl.htm 10:45:44 ehu [~ehuels@109.37.156.222] has joined #lisp 10:46:31 Xach: Can quicklisp tell if there are packages that depend on trivial-irc? :) 10:46:46 (And other things you can do with Gentoo's equery) 10:52:48 Bacteria: perhaps you're getting a backtrace? 10:52:59 pjb, that's what I'm suspecting 10:53:14 Hmmm, maybe it's throwing an exception somewhere 10:53:24 Thanks pjb, I'll look into that 10:53:38 Could be a char somewhere that is exploding 10:53:49 Well, trying to use a string as a char 10:59:29 -!- tiripamwe [~tiripamwe@41.221.159.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:59:46 Ah, found it. Index problem 10:59:58 nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has joined #lisp 11:02:04 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 11:05:47 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:42 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:39 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-cjtvvxcfhkuczins] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:15:43 pavelpenev [~quassel@85-130-11-8.2073813645.shumen.cablebg.net] has joined #lisp 11:15:47 ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.148.230] has joined #lisp 11:17:44 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.37.156.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19:41 harish [~harish@cm108.zeta234.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:22:19 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:23:04 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 11:26:12 johan` [~user@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 11:26:29 LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 11:27:10 Is there any possibility to trace a local function with SBCL? 11:27:11 -!- DGASAU [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:39 johan`: I can trace any function with com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper 11:27:45 in any CL implementation. 11:27:49 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-13-98.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:27:54 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-awbuxrbxctplbdsq] has joined #lisp 11:29:06 pjb: Can you load that with Quicklisp? 11:31:11 Yes, but I think quicklisp got a snapshot of when I was still debugging it. It seems to work, but there's a new version in gitorious.org/com-informatimago ; you could clone it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects for this month. 11:31:16 -!- eataix [~eataix@unaffiliated/eataix] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:31:16 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32:04 Okay, thanks, I'll do that. 11:32:05 (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.lisp.stepper) (defpackage :test (:use :cl-stepper)) (in-package :test) (defun f  ) (step (f ) :trace) 11:32:27 Check the cl-stepper package docstring. 11:32:56 Alright, thanks for the help :-) 11:34:31 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:55 eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has joined #lisp 11:37:09 nanoc [~conanhome@201.251.103.66] has joined #lisp 11:41:04 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:41:52 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has 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Some people don't even care bookmarking or remembering urls anymore, just use google to access everything. 15:57:51 Bike [~Glossina@67-5-198-46.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:58:29 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:47 -!- disciple [~krishna@117.201.21.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:02:54 disciple [~krishna@117.201.21.219] has joined #lisp 16:05:20 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-139-235.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:31 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:46 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-99-190-99-176.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:08:18 pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:09:37 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:10:34 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 16:11:27 pjb: that kind of foolishness may work on someone 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(defparameter z `(a ,x)) and (defparameter z (list 'a x)) ? 18:55:44 no 18:56:17 what's the difference? 18:56:41 the first may be a literal list which cannot be modified and may be shared with other lists 18:56:48 especially with respect to modifiability 18:57:44 what example would show difference? 18:57:52 none 18:58:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:58:03 any setf? 18:58:56 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 19:03:20 variables is not the best way to show-case this, they're assigned just once usually 19:03:46 but if you have a function which returns such a thing, you can see a difference (write (list (foo) (foo)) :circle t) 19:03:54 or not see it 19:04:02 if there's no difference, that is 19:05:14 consider (defun foo (a) `(,a b c)) and (defun foo2 (a) (list a 'b 'c)) 19:05:23 -!- gkeith_lt [gkeith@nat/google/x-ewbivlgljggdtmyq] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:05:34 on sbcl (write (list (foo 1) (foo 1)) :circle t) => ((1 . #1=(B C)) (1 . #1#)) 19:05:41 versus (write (list (foo1 1) (foo1 1)) :circle t) => ((1 B C) (1 B C)) 19:05:55 I see 19:06:23 thx 19:10:25 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.132.102.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:14:01 -!- agumonkey [~agu@191.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:14:04 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:23 agumonkey [~agu@191.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:16:00 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:16 -!- fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:16:38 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.63.74] has joined #lisp 19:17:02 paul0 [~paul0@177.41.243.99] has joined #lisp 19:20:21 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.62.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:24:31 fourier [~fourier@fsf/member/fourier] has joined #lisp 19:25:01 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:25:30 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 19:29:39 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:32:17 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:32:28 -!- PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has quit [Quit: se pira] 19:32:31 ikariW [~ikari@2001:1938:2e4:0:20d:93ff:fe78:f598] has joined #lisp 19:32:55 -!- Guest37020 [~Rajesh@117.203.4.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving to Quit] 19:33:39 PuercoPop [~PuercoPop@190.41.173.174] has joined #lisp 19:35:19 -!- wg1024 [~Adium@dslb-084-058-053-139.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:36:12 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.172] has joined #lisp 19:39:50 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:09 mritz_ [~textual@cpe-70-112-3-176.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 19:42:13 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:42:25 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-029-117.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:13 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 19:45:12 Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.12.130] has joined #lisp 19:46:12 -!- ameoba_ [~ameoba@71-20-29-59.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:48:39 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:54:01 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.232] has joined #lisp 19:54:15 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.232] has quit [Client Quit] 19:55:29 -!- mritz_ [~textual@cpe-70-112-3-176.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:56:17 black_joe [~Norton@75.104.132.171] has joined #lisp 20:03:27 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:04:29 -!- Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.12.130] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:05:52 -!- glistle [~glistle@2002:4225:5d59:0:c16b:d75f:fbea:f3b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:52 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12:29 -!- Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:12:58 -!- ikki [~ikki@187.191.13.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:18:53 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@gateway/tor-sasl/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Ooh. "Big Pink." It's the only gum with the breath-freshening power of ham.] 20:24:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.42.138] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 20:26:17 Forty-3 [~seana11@pool-96-255-130-43.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:58 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:34:09 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:37:47 if I do something like: (defparameter A nil) (defparameter f (lambda () A)), is there a way to get it so that (funcall f) returns the A bound at the lambda-creation time instead of the A bound at the funcall time? 20:38:15 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-203-202.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 20:38:18 sorry that was kind of a word salad 20:38:40 sure, use a lexical variable instead of a dynamic one 20:39:12 clop: (defparameter f (lambda () (let ((r a)) r))) 20:39:16 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-185.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:39:37 clop: wait, no! (defparameter f (let ((r a)) (lambda () r))) 20:40:08 (defparameter f (lambda () (load-time-value a))) 20:41:08 stassats`: lambda-creation can be later. it could be that A is redefined and f is set again later on. load-time-value will not do the job in that case. 20:41:26 eh? 20:42:04 stassats`: lambda-creation time isn't necessarily load-time (i'd assume) 20:42:15 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 20:43:05 i don't know what case are you talking about, but l-t-v fits the asked question perfectly 20:44:01 stassats`: (defparameter A nil) (some-stuff-be-here) (setf A 'shabang) (defparameter f (lambda () (load-time-value A))) ; what will (funcall f) return? 20:44:27 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Hunchentoot 1.2.4, SBCL 1.0.58, Drakma 1.2.6, ABCL 1.0.1, CMUCL 20c 20:44:45 i'm not an implementation, why are you asking me? 20:45:09 (and of course, it will return 'shebang) 20:45:45 thanks guys, i think i sort of undestand now 20:45:55 woo, new hunchentoot 20:46:29 it seems like if i want to capture the values of some specials, and restore them when my lambda gets evaluated, i need to explicitly do it using lexical bindings above the lambda, and then bind the specials back to the saved values inside the lambda. I think. 20:47:03 _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:47:06 or use load-time-value 20:47:32 stassats`, that does't seem to work, unless i'm doing something wrong: 20:47:38 (defparameter a nil) 20:47:46 (defun restore-value () (setf a (load-time-value a))) 20:47:49 (defun g () (lambda () (load-time-value a))) 20:47:58 (funcall (g)) --> returns nil as expected 20:48:05 xilo [~xilo@32.97.110.56] has joined #lisp 20:48:08 (funcall (let ((a 1)) (g))) --> returns nil, should be 1 20:48:20 hey guys question... what's lisp good for? 20:48:27 xilo: everything. 20:48:27 argoneus [~argoneus@unaffiliated/argoneus] has joined #lisp 20:48:40 xilo: only a few things. For example, everything. 20:48:43 Jei [~Jei@host-95-199-17-197.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #lisp 20:48:47 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-123-93.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:50 clop: (defparameter *A* nil) (defparameter *F* (let ((a *a*)) (lambda () a))) 20:48:52 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-100-71.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 20:48:55 >implying you can make an OS out of lisp 20:49:05 Sure. Done. 20:49:05 xilo: it's been done. Many times. 20:49:07 xilo: it's good for trolls too 20:49:10 serious question. been wondering what lisp language benefits for 20:49:27 xilo: lisp doesn't seem to be targetted to one thing. as it's easy to mold it into something that matches your domain of discourse, it kind-of does a lot of things good. unlike some other languages. you're probably better off asking what the features are instead :) 20:49:31 xilo: instead of writing your programs, you write programs to write your programs for you. 20:49:34 xilo: stassats` has that answer covered, I think. 20:49:53 stassats`: you mean giving code out in LISP? 20:49:55 makes sense 20:50:13 clop: so, that's what you want, why does it have to be a function then? 20:50:32 stassats`, clop: i messed up the interpretation of load-time-value. i too, can't see a direct case in which load-time-value will not work. 20:50:41 always thought it was used for like AI and stuff onry 20:50:41 clop: (defun capture-values () (list a b c)) 20:51:11 -!- H4ns changed the topic of #lisp to: Common Lisp, the #1=(programmable . #1#) programming language . New: Drakma 1.2.7, Hunchentoot 1.2.4, SBCL 1.0.58, ABCL 1.0.1, CMUCL 20c 20:51:19 woo, new drakma 20:51:19 xilo: and what is AI used for? 20:51:20 Xach: i have a script now \o/ 20:51:24 xilo: that's its origin, but (as any AI-like thing should do) it has stepped out of its original domain quite quickly ;) 20:51:33 pjb: academia 20:51:39 xilo, for whomever you were quoting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genera_%28operating_system%29 20:51:49 xilo: academia, like driving cars? 20:51:57 wow amazing 20:52:04 OS in lisp 20:52:04 like running experiments on an intersideral sonde? 20:52:12 xilo: also, lisp isn't only used in academia (not by far) 20:52:12 like indeed, running an OS. 20:52:14 pjb: sure 20:52:18 stassats`, what i want to do is, at time 1, save away a piece of work (as a lambda to funcall later), but when i call it later the specials it references may have changed, and i want them to be bound to their original values 20:52:33 stassats`, it doesn't see like load-time-value gives me that, per the g example, at least 20:52:33 madnificent: my impression is, actually, that it's *shunned* in academia. :\ 20:52:41 incf sykopomp 20:52:41 don't use special variables? 20:52:43 my AI class was lisp 20:52:45 ... 20:52:54 those are rare these days 20:52:54 xilo: I mean, it's ok to have preconceptions, but when those preconceptions are idiotic, a minimum of logic should make you discard them! 20:53:17 pjb: hence why i was asking cause seen a lotta talk! good answers thx 20:53:18 xilo: don't bother about it. now where do you want to go under the assumption that lisp isn't good for just one single purpose? 20:53:23 maybe #lispcafe could be a better place for asking "what's lisp good for?" 20:53:35 do they serve coffee 20:53:36 or for answering 20:53:38 sykopomp: it's not shunned, it's just different, and different means more stuff to explain/justify. 20:54:07 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-126-72.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:54:59 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:55:03 pkhuong: submitting a project in python or java is much easier accepted than submitting it in lisp. no matter what the reason is, it seems to me like lisp is being shunned 20:55:03 pkhuong: when I was taking some classes at UMass Amherst, the impression I got was that the big Lisp advocates had been thrown to the undergrads, and the curriculum was being moved far away from Lisp, and into Javaland. I was told this followed the AI Winter. My actual sample is fairly small here, though. 20:55:08 _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:55:39 clop: in case you do, first you have (defun capture-values () (list a b c)), then you save it somewhere, then when you run it, you do (progv '(a b c) saved-variables (funcall function)) 20:56:16 stassats`: well, if a b and c are special variables it won't work. 20:56:24 I wouldn't call undergrad programming classes "academia" ;) 20:56:27 -!- xilo [~xilo@32.97.110.56] has left #lisp 20:56:31 but, what you're trying to do looks contorted 20:56:35 that's the crux of clop's question, and of my answer. Thoses *...*. 20:56:51 pjb: what won't work? 20:57:05 yeah :( 20:57:05 Not if a b or c are special. 20:57:09 are the *'s meaningful? 20:57:14 clop: no. 20:57:17 clop: they're a naming convention. 20:57:19 clop: convention. but a good one! 20:57:22 special variables can't be enclosed. 20:57:24 pjb: what specifically won't work? 20:57:29 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-192-22.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:57:36 capture-value 20:57:47 ok thanks, i thought not; i usually use *s but got confused and thought i had the convention wrong 20:57:51 clop: they're very meaningful. They keep your variable's ears warm during winter. 20:57:53 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:57:56 pjb: and the reason being? 20:57:56 You cannot capture the value of a special variable like this. You need to create a lexical variable and to capture the lexical variable. 20:58:03 Because they're special. 20:58:17 That's the definition of special variables: you cannot capture them. 20:58:17 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 20:58:19 have you read the code snippet i presented? 20:58:54 with the accompanied prose text 20:58:56 Well, ok, you showed auxiliary code without showing the essential part, which is saving it somwhere. 20:59:29 i assumed we're all grown ups and know how to save something somewhere 20:59:53 you can save it, for example, in the cloud 21:00:00 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.86] has joined #lisp 21:00:02 Obviously, clop didn't know how to save values bound to special variable. Hence my answer (defparameter *A* nil) (defparameter *F* (let ((a *a*)) (lambda () a))) 21:00:58 that was part of my problem, my other part was, how to restore them 21:01:19 and for that i think i just need to change your lambda to (lambda () (let ((*a* a)) *a*)) 21:01:37 *stassats`* sense some fundamental confusion 21:01:40 senses 21:01:50 *didi* senses hunger 21:01:56 clop: if you did (defparameter *a* ...) the right element of the let should definitely be *a* 21:02:32 clop: what exactly are you trying to do? 21:03:08 tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.120.148] has joined #lisp 21:03:11 why not (setf *a* (funcall *f*)) from pjb 21:03:51 clop: you don't need to do that usually, since we can just bind them dynamically: (let ((*a* 'temp-value)) (g)) 21:04:08 well, it's ridiculous, why put a value in a function into a variable just to call it later? 21:04:17 what i'm really trying to do is something like a (lambda () (compute-something)) 21:04:25 where (compute-something) is going to look up the value of *a* 21:04:40 -!- tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.32.63.74] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:04:42 but i want it to get the *a* that is now, not the *a* that is around whenever I funcall it 21:04:49 and I think to do that I want: 21:04:51 why not do (setf *f* *a*) and then do (setf *a* *f*), no funcall, no nothing 21:05:08 or, as i showed, save a list and use progv later on it 21:05:10 (let ((temp *a*)) (lambda () (let ((*a* temp)) (compute-something)))) 21:05:38 i need to get a function out so i can funcall it later (or something else that I can evaluate later) 21:06:02 clop: #'your-function-name could do 21:06:07 clop: you're describing a solution you came up with, what's the original problem you're trying to solve with this? 21:06:22 glistle [~glistle@dsl-066-037-092-122.citizip.com] has joined #lisp 21:07:13 stassats`, it's kind of a mess of threads 21:07:15 <_travis_> clop, when you say you want the *a* that is 'now', does 'now' mean at compile time? 21:07:30 by "now" i mean at the time that I'm creating the lambda 21:07:42 <_travis_> ok, nvm. thats a bit over my head then. back to observing :) 21:08:30 clop: well, for one thing, it's a good strategy to get really confusing code 21:08:59 stassats`: if wrapped in a clear macro, it could make sense. 21:09:11 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:09:20 madnificent: not confusing looks, confusing deeds 21:09:52 stassats`: come again. (stress should be placed on could, not on sense) 21:09:55 -!- add^_ [~add^_@m90-130-55-137.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:10:03 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:10:41 i agree, it's unfortunate 21:11:01 i have a big pile of un-thread-safe code that i inherited 21:11:12 and have failed to fix before 21:11:16 if you want time-travelling madness, go to scheme and use call/cc 21:11:17 and i want to use it in a multi-threaded app 21:11:33 clop: special variables are copied amongst threads (in the implementations i know of), they aren't shared. 21:11:35 so... i'm just trying to get uses of it protected and to run in the same thread 21:11:59 madnificent: special variable bindings, not the variables themselves 21:12:16 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.216.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:12:34 It's interesting how the Scheme crowd seems to be questioning the validity of call/cc lately. 21:12:45 clop: what stassats` said. the distinction is indeed quite important. (but i don't see how rebinding the special variables in the lambdas is going to help, but in a few cases). 21:13:05 didi: it can be handy in some cases 21:13:21 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@173-228-44-92.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:23 didi: all the people who knew what it was for died 21:13:59 lately? I think there's been, for quite a while, a strong consensus that at least one of the delimited variants is strictly less bad. 21:14:02 -!- qptain_Nemo [~qN@81-235-52-30-no79.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:04 pkhuong: Yeah, the delimited flavor seems to be the alternative proposed. 21:16:50 -!- yrk [~user@pdpc/supporter/student/yrk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:56 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:03 -!- z0d [~z0d@unaffiliated/z0d] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:22 -!- _travis_ [~travis@c-24-127-49-108.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:18:28 -!- Tuxedo [~tuxedo@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:47 -!- felideon [~felideon@184.170.255.36] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:18:54 -!- nathanL [~user@ip70-171-46-221.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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