00:00:07 does everybody know that you can do (signal 'condition ...) instead of (signal (make-condition 'condition ...))? 00:00:13 there are ways for this to go wrong if you wrap it these two forms in a progn, for instance. 00:00:16 because i just fixed a dozen of such cases in slime 00:00:20 It does not work on clisp on windows 00:00:36 (i hope helmut doesn't actually prefer it that way) 00:01:14 -!- facefox_com [~machine4@pool-108-38-17-101.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 00:02:19 I got an error doing (drakma:http-request "http:/google.com"): `NIL fell through ETYPECASE expression.' Nah, it's not important though. 00:02:35 to few /? 00:02:41 A ha! 00:02:45 too 00:02:54 the error message could be better 00:03:15 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 00:03:15 I was jealous of you and wanted to grab google's page too... :^) 00:04:52 and i just tried (make-package 'foo) 'foo::bar on clisp, on windows 00:04:54 and it works 00:05:01 so, somebody somewhere is doing something wrong 00:05:26 How did you paste in clisp? 00:05:36 i typed it 00:05:42 Rofl 00:07:08 The point is to paste it. Windows shell does not let you paste in clisp. So go install cygwin, paste that line in clisp and then come tell me how wrong you were the second time 00:07:52 pasting worked well too 00:08:06 well, windows shell does let you paste 00:08:07 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:22 morales, stassats is an experienced programmer, none of us care about your trying to get one up on him. 00:09:30 and i don't see why it wouldn't work in cygwin 00:09:33 So you are lying and did not actually try it. Cmd.exe does let you paste, but not in all programs (for example those using readline). It does not let you paste in clisp 00:09:56 i justed pasted in clisp, thrice, maybe it was a fluke 00:10:03 s/justed/just/ 00:10:18 You are a liar and anyone running windows with clisp can confirm this 00:10:42 you're funny 00:10:52 morales: that must be it. Please try and get help on ##witchhunt. 00:10:57 -!- slack1256 [~slack@181.160.209.22] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:11:04 -!- punee [~punee@213-245-106-105.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: punee] 00:11:22 *|3b|* was guessing 'troll' rather than 'funny' since it seems to be an active attempt to avoid getting any help 00:12:04 iocor [~textual@87.194.167.19] has joined #lisp 00:12:14 -!- iocor [~textual@87.194.167.19] has quit [Changing host] 00:12:14 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 00:15:56 -!- disciple [~krishna@117.201.27.161] has quit [Quit: zzzZZZ] 00:16:15 what help? first I got lectured how I shouldn't do that, without the person lecturing me actually knowing why I'm doing it. then he recommends me a non-working solution. then he lies to save face 00:17:58 <|3b|> well, nobody knew because you didn't say, and the solution worked, except on some very specific case you also didn't say until people wasted time verifying it, then you claim lying rather than try to narrow down what else might be different 00:18:31 tensorpudding_ [~michael@99.23.127.73] has joined #lisp 00:18:32 <|3b|> so if you are trolling, you are doing so fairly well, if trying to communicate, less well 00:18:47 didi` [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 00:18:58 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.124.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:01 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@75-142-48-121.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 00:19:02 I asked a precise question. I don't need people holding my hand telling me what's wrong and whats right. 00:20:26 then you've come to the wrong place 00:20:43 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:20:56 sabalaba [~Adium@sf-85.stripe.com] has joined #lisp 00:22:24 Raff [~raff@187.65.194.205] has joined #lisp 00:22:28 -!- Raff [~raff@187.65.194.205] has left #lisp 00:22:58 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:23:58 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 00:24:04 beelike [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 00:24:41 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:26:24 it's been a long time since somebody wrote a blog on how bad #lisp is, perhaps now is the time 00:27:53 #lisp is fine, you on the other hand.. 00:28:20 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Client Quit] 00:28:25 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c053d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:40 when creating a program do you usually compile to executable or shell script? 00:28:46 or write a shell script 00:29:03 beelike: i save an image 00:29:21 which is the same as "compile to executable" 00:29:39 beelike: you usually dump an executable image, or maybe keep a separate image and runtime + shell script 00:29:40 beelike: but most of the time i run programs from REPL 00:29:49 because it's easier to debug and modify them 00:29:53 depending on the application, you might want have a shell script setting up the environment anyway 00:30:04 all of that of course for end-user deliverable 00:30:48 i meant lisp script, not a shell script. something like #!somelisp (require 'stuff) etc 00:31:06 p_l|FRA: i don't think anybody here delivers executables 00:31:16 beelike: while possible, it's not a best way to use available compilers 00:31:36 stassats: I had a project, that if it hadn't failed for nontechnical reasons, would use such a scheme 00:32:04 (nontechnical reasons being the boss of the guy who was procuring it deciding to go with vendor of their ERP software for it) 00:32:14 beelike: it depends, if the program has no bugs and is not expected to be modified soon, then an executable 00:32:26 otherwise loading everything from source each time 00:34:45 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 00:37:10 -!- data-mage [~data-mage@c-69-249-253-220.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:38:39 -!- morales [~morales@31.45.206.50] has quit [Quit: quit] 00:42:09 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 00:42:10 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 00:42:10 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 00:50:40 data-mage [~data-mage@c-69-249-253-220.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:52:21 yake [~yake@125.110.164.51] has joined #lisp 00:54:20 Joreji [~thomas@ip-213-135-245-76.static.luxdsl.pt.lu] has joined #lisp 00:56:38 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:16 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 00:58:53 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:19 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:03:22 Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 01:03:36 chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 01:04:03 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:14:11 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 01:22:21 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:30 *pjb* is working on a stepper: http://paste.lisp.org/display/130868 01:25:50 -!- SHUPFS` is now known as SHUPFS 01:26:06 does it include a complete evaluator? 01:29:18 ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-63-82-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:08 stassats: it will. 01:33:20 then it's not really representative of what actually happens in your implementation? 01:33:57 Actually there's two ways, I'll probably implement them both. One is to interpret the code, but you need to have it, therefore I'll have to integrate something like ibcl; the other is to just wrap all expressions, which is what I've got for now. 01:34:22 stassats: Indeed, there may be differences in both cases. 01:34:52 i was working in a new code base few days ago and wished i could something like what pjb stepper is doing to a function without resorting to putting a break to envoke the debugger 01:34:56 But if my stepper/interpreter is conforming and the implementation is conforming, then if you step a conforming expression there should be no significant difference. 01:35:28 nicdev: and yes, it should be able to put breaks without touching the source :-) 01:35:36 nicdev: stepping over everything gets tiresome pretty quick 01:35:50 that's why there's :trace and :run modes. 01:36:35 And with added breakpoints, :trace or :run would stop on the next breakpoint encountered, so you could debug like in normal (gdb) debuggers. 01:37:11 I need to find a way to put breakpoints. I'll probably have to do a code browser. 01:37:49 beelike: You can. http://www.sbcl.org/manual/Shebang-Scripts.html 01:38:38 But to be able to step/debug implementation specific stuff such as FFI, etc, the expression wrapping mode should be favored, I think. 01:39:39 (eval-expression nil '(< a b)) --> (call-eval-step (lambda nil (< (call-eval-atom (lambda nil a) 'a) (call-eval-atom (lambda nil b) 'b))) '(< a b)) 01:40:01 this is what is executed for (step (< a b)). 01:43:41 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:46:16 what about macros? 01:46:46 -!- tensorpudding_ is now known as tensorpudding 01:49:02 huangho [~huangho@177.4.45.92] has joined #lisp 01:49:02 -!- huangho [~huangho@177.4.45.92] has quit [Client Quit] 01:49:46 -!- lusory [~lusory@bb42-60-31-187.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:10 can anyone point me to a page that shows how to serve images from a database through hunchentoot? 01:51:40 ravster: there's no single simple tutorial 01:51:48 joekarma [~joekarma@S0106602ad090cd68.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:51:56 ravster: how do you want to store the images? 01:52:34 the very basic way is to simply send the image data back to user, with apropriate mimetype 01:52:56 handling query strings etc. is described in manual as well as setting up mimetype of response 01:53:04 why are there images in the database? 01:53:44 stassats: well, filesystem is technically a database 01:53:50 ;) 01:54:00 p_l|FRA: jpg files, mysql DB 01:54:05 ravster: ouch 01:54:17 stassats: its a mockup of a product line 01:54:42 I should ask the same as stassats - why the fsck of damaged UFS, are there images inside MySQL tables? 01:55:01 I'm thinking of having the user send in data that will be the params of a sql-query, the image is retrieved along with price. 01:55:07 hmm 01:55:25 ravster: store images on disk, paths to images in the db 01:55:50 p_l|FRA: theres already a few ways of mysql integration in CL, so it shouldn't be a problem, right? I'm not understanding the "ouch". 01:55:51 anyway, you have three parts - parsing the query, getting image data/info from db, and sending it back 01:55:59 ipmonger_ [~ipmonger@c-68-63-82-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:00 p_l|FRA: yup 01:56:03 ravster: I'm ouching at storing JPEGs in MySQL 01:56:13 p_l|FRA: oh, okay. 01:56:16 MySQL usually rates an ouch by itself 01:56:18 (for me) 01:56:20 storing large binary data in the db is an extremely bad idea 01:56:30 -!- foreignFunction [~niksaak@94.27.88.224] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:41 I've never done that myself. jpegs == bad? 01:56:44 well, some databases are explicitly for that. And some have special support for large objects referenced by fields of tables 01:56:56 ravster: no, big blobs without reason. *without* reason 01:56:56 stassats: oh? 01:57:06 ravster: yes 01:57:13 oh 01:57:18 ravster: they're not made for this 01:57:25 they will perform poorly 01:57:27 i see 01:57:31 ravster: unless you know the why and how in and out, you shouldn't, IMHO, store images as blobs in database like MySQL 01:57:45 now, a file-system is designed precisely for this 01:58:01 so, put images in some directory and let the database point to those files 01:58:01 -!- sysfault [~exalted@p3m/member/sysfault] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:58:04 *ravster* hears and obeys. 01:58:05 yes. A filesystem is a database to store blobs (well, sometimes more, but you get the drift) 01:58:27 then you can use things like lighttpd or nginx, or hunchentoot directly to serve them 01:58:33 ^ 01:58:37 so it _can_ be done, but it shouldn't. 01:58:41 ravster: yeah 01:58:58 ravster: there are databases *specially* designed for such cases (like Riak CS), but MySQL isn't 01:59:18 MySQL's history puts me off anyway even for using it as normal database 01:59:25 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-63-82-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59:26 -!- ipmonger_ is now known as ipmonger 01:59:27 p_l|FRA: :D 01:59:56 ravster: back in 3.x times they spouted bullshit about referentional integrity being something for client applications to do 02:00:28 and I can't forget the encoding congo 02:00:43 -!- pnpuff` is now known as pnpuff 02:00:55 (I had to deal with 3 different encodings being used for my language, all of them incompatible) 02:00:56 -!- sellout [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:01:16 yikes 02:01:52 thanks again stassats , p_l|FRA 02:01:59 anyway, coming back to your question, parsing query strings is pretty well explained in hunchentoot documentation - using some of the tutorials available on the net and updating the content according to the manual shouldn't be too hard 02:02:08 the innodb code changed that, but it was so messy and buggy that an audit convinced us to not use it then heh 02:02:25 stassats: I expand them. 02:03:23 what if i don't want to step through macro-innards? 02:03:38 ravster: for sending the image data, you either provide a redirect (don't remember the code, it was 301 or 302) which redirects to nginx/lighttpd/whatever serving static files (they'll use less resources) 02:04:19 ravster: or you send them from hunchentoot with appropriate (for jpeg, it was image/jpeg) mimetype 02:04:23 stassats: good question. 02:04:23 as simple data 02:04:30 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@95.238.253.140] has quit [Changing host] 02:04:31 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 02:04:51 stassats: that said, since a macro expans is a single form you can always step over it. 02:05:01 ravster: database... huh, I don't know of any mysql libs I'd use - this channel isn't using it often either, from what I gather listening 02:05:56 zodiac1111 [~zodiac111@101.68.54.186] has joined #lisp 02:06:46 p_l|FRA: hunchentoot will handle mime-types itself 02:07:09 stassats: well, it might not if it gets unknown stream not one associated with file :) 02:07:39 well, haven't we already determined that the images must be from disk? 02:07:43 What's worrying with macros, is that you cannot know the meaning of the macro argument without expanding it, and if you change the arguments, the expansion can change. 02:08:06 is content-type* used to set this? or am I looking at the wrong thing in the manual? 02:08:34 you just call (handle-static-file "/tmp/foo.jpg") 02:08:59 ah 02:09:05 *p_l|FRA* doesn't remember all details 02:09:25 But I guess most macros are "simple", that is for them we could expand them, identify the code parts in the extension, and substitute those code parts in another macro call, which would allow to step into a macro from a high level view point, without stepping the nitty gritty details of the macro expansion. 02:09:39 of course, hunchentoot isn't really suited for static files 02:10:02 but, if it's a prototype, it'll work fine 02:10:56 nice, good to hear 02:11:04 pjb: maybe expand, and substitute code parts in the resulting expansion? 02:11:13 -!- bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:07 at points where it's bound to be evaluated 02:12:20 stassats: yes, perhaps. But it may be ambiguous too. (macroexpand '(rebind a a)) --> (let ((a a)) a) ; what a is the first, what is the second? 02:12:53 well, you'd have to smarten it up! 02:14:06 bjorkintosh [~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 02:14:06 It looks like a rat nest. 02:14:18 lusory [~lusory@bb42-60-31-187.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 02:15:34 ipmonger_ [~ipmonger@c-68-63-82-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:03 -!- ipmonger [~ipmonger@c-68-63-82-226.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:20:03 -!- ipmonger_ is now known as ipmonger 02:20:19 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:21 *pjb* is switching to S3. 02:20:41 CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 02:22:19 sleep state? 02:32:44 Kron_ [~Kron@59.92.155.156] has joined #lisp 02:33:47 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128038099.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:25 -!- Joreji 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it in lw clim spec but not mcclim ? 11:52:50 clim window-inside-size 11:52:59 specbot: hey you 11:53:05 bummer 11:53:07 -!- Guest25908 [~Rajesh@117.203.13.143] has quit [Quit: Leaving to Quit] 11:53:18 oh is specbot able to look it up ? 11:53:20 clim define-application-frame 11:53:21 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@91-67-244-73-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:53:42 must be disabled 11:53:45 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:53:56 nowhere in mcclim code.... 11:54:18 Rajesh_ [~Rajesh@117.203.13.143] has joined #lisp 11:54:31 but it's in the clim-2.0 spec of lispworks i think 11:54:38 hmmmmm 11:55:04 -!- Rajesh_ [~Rajesh@117.203.13.143] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:55:25 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-27-196.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:55:42 http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/edit/apropos?q=window-inside-size 11:55:49 it's not clim2 11:55:49 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has 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by peer] 13:54:45 -!- peccu is now known as PECCU 13:58:15 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 13:58:56 wbooze: no 14:01:10 abeaumont [~Alfredo@89.130.60.29] has joined #lisp 14:02:14 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 14:04:22 uh 14:04:30 i can't get there! 14:09:09 wbooze, I had trouble before but can get there now 14:10:09 wbooze: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/common-lisp.net 14:12:41 cfdm [~user@222.235.51.254] has joined #lisp 14:18:40 -!- sytse [sytse@home.swielinga.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:20:15 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:21:42 -!- Eulo [~Eulo@78-72-37-188-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:22:24 yes now it works too 14:22:30 it did not for a few mins 14:23:22 vaus [~vaus@199.Red-83-36-191.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:55 theron [~theron@dslb-084-060-180-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:26:16 -!- pnpuff 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Why should I learn lisp? 14:31:23 To have fun programming. 14:31:29 theron: why not? 14:31:31 Eulo [~Eulo@78-72-37-188-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 14:31:48 theron: check http://www.informatimago.com there are links to Why lisp? 14:32:01 to have no fun programming! 14:32:05 lol 14:32:53 to fail each and everywhere by non-conforming implementations and incomplete/wrong specs! 14:33:01 wahahahaha 14:33:04 naaah 14:33:10 What non conforming implementation? 14:33:13 stassats`: Learning a new language takes time, is lisp the time worth? 14:33:31 theron: takes a life time. Is life worth the effort? 14:33:47 dude, relax, t'was a joke! 14:33:52 lol 14:34:02 wbooze: jokes -> #lispcafe. 14:35:25 pjb: thanks for the link 14:37:50 sellout [~Adium@75-25-126-88.lightspeed.sjcpca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:39:13 theron: lisp is not worth learning, it will ruin you, you'll never be able to look at poor software as acceptable anymore and everything you use in your daily life will depress you. Better remain ignorant and enjoy all the crapware and shiny iOS apps 14:39:53 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 14:41:01 pavelpenev: Unfortunately I can't go this way because I already hate the most IT-Technology which is celebrated today... 14:41:40 theron: in a slightly more serious tone, lisp is useful, stable, has great implementations, a great spec, and an awesome community(most of the time :) and using it is insanely fun and if your head is in the game, also very productive. 14:45:11 pavelpenev: Sounds great, I think I give it a try :) 14:46:46 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:47:05 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:47:19 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:48:39 theron: http://www.cliki.net/index has pretty much all the info you need to get started 14:49:52 pavelpenev: Thank you. 14:50:00 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:51:23 mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 14:51:24 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-78-118-138.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 14:51:24 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 14:52:12 pavelpenev, I just wish Quicklisp wasn't centered and reliant on one person 14:52:28 Sgeo: is it a problem? 14:52:55 Sgeo: we don't have enough lispers. If we had 100x more lispers, we could have a team around quicklisp. 14:53:10 Sgeo: Xachs bus number is mitigated by the fact that he lives in an area with a low rate of motor vehicle deaths ;) 14:54:14 Jubb [~ghost@pool-108-28-0-134.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:03 Now we've a vested interest in Xach's good health. No more airplane trips. Eat healthy food, pure water, no booze, no drugs, no smoke, do exercise. 14:55:11 huh, dude that maze-frame game is not working, i cannot move anything, but key q quits it.... 14:56:20 -!- Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@75-142-48-121.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:00:11 xach's bus number is also mitigated by the fact that the quicklisp source is available and that he's built in the ability to set up independent dists. 15:00:28 but I'd rather xach remain strong and healthy :> 15:00:44 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 15:01:29 andrewsw [~andrew@swclan.homelinux.org] has joined #lisp 15:02:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:38 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 15:03:51 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:09:06 -!- ehu [~ehuels@089144206206.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:10:24 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:37 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 15:12:52 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:09 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:13:49 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:14:26 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:17:12 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 15:19:41 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-229-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:20:57 -!- naiv [~quassel@ABayonne-157-1-140-200.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:03 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:23:38 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d8593d9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:23:40 waaahahahahah 15:23:58 he forgot to define what com-right, com-left etc... does.....or should.... 15:24:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.59.238] has joined #lisp 15:24:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@37.99.59.238] has quit [Changing host] 15:24:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 15:24:30 -!- Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:24:56 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:25:06 wbooze: my first thought was that mcclim finally drove you insane :) 15:26:18 wbooze: what system are you looking at? 15:26:48 The boole interface really sticks out as rather unlispy or something 15:27:00 ...a little odd at bet 15:27:02 best* 15:27:07 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.134.11] has joined #lisp 15:27:07 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:27:18 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868ca9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:27:39 the ops being numeric constants even feels C like 15:28:01 Guthur? 15:28:13 are you and wbooze looking at the same system? 15:28:13 boole-and => 6 15:28:26 Fade: the ellipse? 15:28:51 -!- Ottre [~ottre@wikipedia/Ottre] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:28:57 I just don't know what system you're talking about. 15:28:58 I'm not as addicted to them as wbooze 15:28:58 Guthur: it's a holdover from older days. 15:29:14 Fade: have you never used boole? 15:29:45 Ottre [~ottre@80.82.65.107] has joined #lisp 15:29:46 -!- Ottre [~ottre@80.82.65.107] has quit [Changing host] 15:29:46 Ottre [~ottre@wikipedia/Ottre] has joined #lisp 15:30:10 i use boolean logic all the time. are you referring to a specific system? 15:30:25 umm yes CL 15:30:31 the CL function BOOLE. 15:30:35 not sure where the confusion is 15:30:53 ah 15:31:58 I don't do a lot of bit banging. 15:37:59 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-17-153.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:20 kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-37-17-153.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:02 -!- dsp__ is now known as dsp_ 15:39:37 shahu [~dr.atif33@175.138.123.234] has joined #lisp 15:40:06 -!- shahu [~dr.atif33@175.138.123.234] has left #lisp 15:44:34 tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.122.0] has joined #lisp 15:45:01 Fade: tilt-maze.lisp 15:45:22 Fade: the stone-move commands l,h,j,k don't work there! 15:46:02 Fade: can you confirm ? 15:48:55 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:49:13 add^_ [~paw@m90-141-63-88.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 15:50:17 doesn't load at all. 15:50:28 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.14] has joined #lisp 15:50:29 an inauspicious start. :) 15:51:06 -!- Eulo [~Eulo@78-72-37-188-no21.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:53:39 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 15:55:57 and the file itself is full of DOS line-ends. was it developed on lispworks? 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Also their values are not random! 16:13:04 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 16:14:29 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-019-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:00 pjb: what is the significance of the numeric constants? 16:18:14 Guthur: it's implementation dependant. One implementation can choose them to be part of the opcode of the micro-instruction used to implement the function. 16:19:03 ah ok 16:21:58 Guthur: you can also easily construct some logical values for them: consider all the combinations of A and B in order 0 0, 0 1, 1 0, 1 1, and the corresponding result for each boole function. You have 16 such boole functions because there are 4 combinations and each result is binary. So you can use each result as a bit for the boole function number, and vice versa, use the boole function number to compute the result (defun boole (op 16:21:58 a b) (ldb (byte 1 (+ (if a 2 0) (if b 1 0))) op)) 16:22:24 (defun boole (op a b) (ldb (byte 1 (+ (if a 2 0) (if b 1 0))) op)) ; with the right values bound to the boole-* constants. 16:23:20 or even use logior instead of +: (defun boole (op a b) (ldb (byte 1 (logior (if a 2 0) (if b 1 0))) op)) 16:23:45 Oops, the arguments are integers, not booleans, well, you do that on each bit. 16:26:33 seems a bit of leaning towards Worse-is-Better though 16:27:00 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 16:28:21 Guthur: also, they're not necessarily integers. An implementation could bind them to functions (but since they're functions, with some delicate special case handling in fasl files). 16:30:59 -!- theron [~theron@dslb-084-060-180-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:31:42 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 16:31:48 Greetings lispers 16:39:48 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@178.172.214.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:40:44 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Quit: Out of this 3D] 16:40:58 -!- lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:41:22 ahoy 16:41:57 o7 16:42:10 markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 16:42:35 apathor [~apathor@24.218.104.106] has joined #lisp 16:43:32 lcc [~lcc-pi@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 16:44:54 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:46:07 -!- markskilbeck [~chris@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has left #lisp 16:48:42 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:46 paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has joined #lisp 16:48:51 hakl [~user@203.81-167-92.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 16:49:09 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 16:49:47 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:50:35 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:55:06 ehu [~ehuels@89.144.206.206] has joined #lisp 16:56:26 madnificent: ...was that an ascii salute? 16:56:28 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57:13 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:57:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-169.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:59:29 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-178-238.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:00:40 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01:25 -!- ice [~ice@123.114.43.142] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:04:37 joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.188] has joined #lisp 17:07:38 -!- paul0 [~paul0@186.222.48.210] has quit [Quit: paul0] 17:11:28 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@59.35.101.35] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 17:11:33 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@184.151.222.188] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 17:11:52 theron [~theron@dslb-084-060-180-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:14 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-149-194.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:14:12 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-245-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:16:24 jewel [~jewel@196-210-172-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:21:03 -!- theron [~theron@dslb-084-060-180-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:53 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d868ca9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22:22 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:26:41 Alice4 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 17:28:14 dooood 17:28:32 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-227-47.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:46 why do you check for font-path-relative when even the font-path is not ready! 17:28:52 lol 17:33:02 theron [~theron@dslb-084-060-180-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:29 fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-143-213.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 17:35:02 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 17:36:06 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-019-225.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:39:53 What's the name of the CL interface to Python libraries. Burglered something? 17:40:18 burgled-batteries? 17:40:29 Yeah, I think that's it. 17:40:36 *ThomasH* googles 17:40:55 Actually, just scrolling through Planet Lisp, I think there's a presentation there. 17:41:56 em_ [~em@user-0ccem0s.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 17:42:44 quasisan1 [~sanep@c-24-218-184-186.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:53 pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has joined #lisp 17:45:47 dnm_ [~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 17:45:56 -!- em [~em@unaffiliated/emma] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:46:07 rabite_ [~rabite@4chan.fm] has joined #lisp 17:46:27 -!- em_ [~em@user-0ccem0s.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:46:29 Python is taking over the areas of engineering that I work in. 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<|3b|> depending on the dialect, #emacs, #scheme or #clojure might be more useful 18:34:08 |3b|: I'm (maybe foolishly) learning elisp for my first dialect. :-P 18:34:30 <|3b|> elisp isn't unreasonable, if you use emacs for other things 18:35:30 |3b|: It's pretty much become the only enviroment I'm ever in. XD 18:40:36 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 18:41:10 youlysses: I know the feeling 18:44:07 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:03 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:25 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:54:07 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 18:54:27 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:55:24 fredrik_ [~fredrik@vpn8.hotsplots.net] has joined #lisp 18:55:49 -!- Ottre [~ottre@wikipedia/Ottre] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:56:07 -!- eni [~eni@31.171.153.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:57:04 prxq: I've gotten to the point where I'm using it for litterally everything on my system besides graphical web-browsing, and I've been meaning to get xwidgets working so I don't have to leave to do that... :-) 18:57:15 Ottre [~ottre@80.82.65.107] has joined #lisp 18:57:15 -!- Ottre [~ottre@80.82.65.107] has quit [Changing host] 18:57:15 Ottre [~ottre@wikipedia/Ottre] has joined #lisp 18:59:09 -!- vaus [~vaus@199.Red-83-36-191.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: vaus] 18:59:41 why would i get nil for font-path-relative in x-render-fonts.lisp in mcclim ? 19:00:17 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:00:19 for the one method (out of 2) of clim-clx:text-style-to-X-font ? 19:00:30 both :around methods 19:01:02 merge-pathnames nil blah can't merge it obviously but that's not what was intended anyway.... 19:04:00 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:04:36 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 19:04:39 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08:54 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.171.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:11:19 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:02 data-mage [~data-mage@c-69-249-253-220.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:02 -!- fredrik_ [~fredrik@vpn8.hotsplots.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:28 -!- data-mage [~data-mage@c-69-249-253-220.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:11 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:18:05 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 19:21:21 bleh 19:21:33 t 19:21:35 (clim-demo::select-font) does not work but (clim-demo::select-font 19:22:03 :port (clim:find-port :server-path (list :ps :stream *standard-output*))) does 19:22:09 and it's the ps port 19:22:11 pjb: You use the LLGPL, right? Can you explain how it applies? 19:22:14 trying the clx port fails 19:23:31 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-226-8.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 19:23:37 ThomasH: no, I use AGPL3 nowadays. 19:24:02 connection refused error 19:24:05 eheh 19:24:09 waaaaahahahahahaha 19:24:15 If you want to distribute code that uses my libraries, or put public web sites using it, you must provide your sources along. 19:24:38 Or sell a device that embeds it, etc. 19:24:40 pjb: Ok. I was looking over CLPython and Franz has it under the LLGPL. Trying to figure out what that means. 19:24:46 bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 19:24:52 ThomasH: LLGPL is like LGPL, but for lisp code. 19:25:31 pjb: I read the Franz page on it and think I understand. So, LLGPL is lisp specific, or just specific to languages like lisp? 19:25:37 AGPL3 > GPL3 > GPL2 > LGPL > LLGPL > MIT ~= BSD 19:26:02 ThomasH: language like lisps. Indeed, it could reasonably be applied to python, php, ruby, etc. 19:26:21 Any language that's more conveniently distributed in source than in binary. 19:26:33 pjb: Ok. 19:27:11 -!- pnq [~nick@unaffiliated/pnq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:21 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.122.0] has quit [Quit: tensorpudding] 19:32:37 anyone's (clim-demo::select-font) is working by the way ? 19:32:54 or the method with the explicit port call ? 19:33:23 mine does only work with the postscript backend, the clx backend fails 19:33:34 tho i already am in a clim-listener ?! 19:33:45 wth 19:34:57 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@59.92.155.156] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 19:36:30 and ofc the ps backend is awaiting ps fonts not ttf ones so it can't render them.... 19:36:40 bleh 19:37:03 tensorpudding [~michael@99.23.122.0] has joined #lisp 19:37:15 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@214.43.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 19:37:54 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.108.36.146] has joined #lisp 19:39:06 no wonder that the thing fails.... 19:39:51 flaviori_ [~flaviorib@177.142.166.35] has joined #lisp 19:42:34 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.108.36.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:42 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:44:51 -!- flaviori_ is now known as flavioribeiro 19:46:36 dude, am i connecting to a remote desktop or what ?! 19:46:56 or why would x fail for connection then ? 19:47:45 i configured X not to lock anyway.....so i don't get it .......anyway..... 19:47:52 bleh 19:49:54 -!- brendyn [brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:50:27 atsidi [~nkraft@ip72-192-253-246.dc.dc.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:50:56 or does it depend on rpc or some such ? 19:52:21 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:53:09 -!- sytse [sytse@home.swielinga.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:54:26 sytse [~sytse@vps.swielinga.nl] has joined 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I wrote 'ls *.o' 21:32:31 and then: 'rm *'. Stopped just in time :-) 21:33:40 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:34:03 hahaha 21:36:13 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:36:59 kcj [~casey@unaffiliated/kcj] has joined #lisp 21:37:17 -!- atsidi [~nkraft@ip72-192-253-246.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving on a jet plane...] 21:37:20 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@214.43.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 21:39:09 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-5f75ced4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40:48 gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:49 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:40:49 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 21:42:04 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 21:42:39 waaaaaahahahahahahaha 21:42:45 Hence (define-symbol-macro it *) 21:43:05 someone forgot to use the xlib:open-default-display in case the other fails! 21:43:16 in 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Logically, ash moves all of the bits in integer to the left, adding zero-bits at the right, or moves them to the right, discarding bits. 23:17:39 Yes. That's how integers are visible to a lisp program. 23:17:46 They should have stopped at the mathematics. 23:17:52 See integer-length and logbitp and ldb, etc. 23:18:33 pjb: so, technically it's not machine dependent, but integer-length dependent? 23:18:38 fasta: it doesn't discard bits, because there are an infinite number of 0 bits the left of positive numbers, and an infinite number of 1 bits on the left of negative numbers. 23:18:47 It is machine independent. 23:19:32 (loop for i from 1 to 100 always (= -1 (ash (- i) (- (integer-length i)) ))) => t 23:19:49 (loop for i from 1 to 100 always (zerop (ash i (- (integer-length i)) ))) => t 23:20:37 <|3b|> pjb: spec says it discards them 23:20:55 nagato [~stardivin@122.236.251.170] has joined #lisp 23:21:08 The bits that are discarded are the lsb. 23:21:47 Notice the "adding zero-bits at the right" with shifting left, and no adding whatsoever when shifting right. 23:22:08 Just in case someone missed something: 23:22:09 -!- SeySayux [SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:14 Are the semantics of ASH machine dependent? Yes. 23:22:23 I meant NO. 23:22:36 I thought he asked for machine INdependence. 23:23:07 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:24:25 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 23:25:36 is there a guide somewhere to using the < format directive, because I'm really not getting it 23:26:51 There are some cookbooks around, but they may not delve into those intricacies. 23:27:12 (format nil "~V,,,'x<~>" 3) => "xxx" 23:27:14 i think I'll just see how well it looks with ~t, first... 23:27:22 (format nil "~V,,,'x" 3) => "xzz" 23:27:50 (format nil "~V,,,'0<~D~>" 4 -42) => "0-42" ; reminds you something? 23:30:15 SeySayux [SeySayux@libsylph/developer/seysayux] has joined #lisp 23:35:20 -!- joekarma [~joekarma@S01060007e9558060.vw.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: joekarma] 23:35:45 -!- mirTapir [vutral@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:36:14 mirTapir [vutral@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #lisp 23:36:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-1.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:36:55 zork 23:36:58 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 23:39:20 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:50 -!- blbef [~chatzilla@089144206034.atnat0015.highway.a1.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:42:31 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:42:44 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:42:45 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:42:45 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:46:46 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-119-143-213.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:38 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:51:00 -!- Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-1.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:52:39 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@75-142-48-121.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:52:40 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-160-241-11.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:49 Bike [~Glossina@207-224-20-1.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:14 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 23:54:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-169.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:55:34 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-169.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 23:58:05 paradoja [~paradoja@acceso-cmp174-200.lpa.idec.net] has joined #lisp