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I'm hoping you can point me to a good CL implementation. 01:08:48 I'd like something that can run both under Cygwin and native Win32, compiles down to small executables, can run the interpreter in these executives, and that has an FFI. 01:08:58 clisp? 01:09:05 quotemstr: what-implementation is at telnet://clis.informatimago.com:8101 01:09:21 SBCL is right out because of its high startup overhead and huge image size. :-( 01:09:24 Clozure is good, but doesn't make as small executables, and compiles to native code 01:09:39 I basically want something in which to write a replacement for a collection of shell scripts that's become gnarly over time. 01:09:53 I use clisp for my scripts. 01:10:07 ... if for win32, just load PowerShell. Or use WSH 01:10:08 I'd also like to use Cygwin on my box, but compile the thing for my Cygwin-ignorant colleagues. 01:10:31 p_l|vacation: Even if I liked PowerShell and wanted to use it, it wouldn't interoperate with Cygwin. 01:11:06 quotemstr: Cygwin, iirc, is quite broken by design in general, and then gets worse in NT6 01:11:29 p_l|vacation: Cygwin is now the Microsoft-recommended POSIX layer for Windows. 01:11:31 -!- LiamH [~healy@96.231.218.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:11:34 Well, sure it would be better to boot linux directly. 01:11:35 p_l|vacation: I don't consider its design broken. 01:11:50 quotemstr: Microsoft-recommended? Since when? 01:11:57 *p_l|vacation* quite recently used SUA 01:12:33 Heh. what-implementation looks like a good old fashioned expert system. 01:13:00 Nice, isn't it? :-) 01:13:03 p_l|vacation: SUA is deprecated and unmaintained. 01:13:23 quotemstr: perhaps one day I'll make a IRC or Web interface to it :-) 01:14:00 pjb: It's unclear whether "choice of platforms" is a conjunctive or disjunctive choice 01:14:20 quotemstr: heh. Well, I hope that someone at cygwin did/will do add code to replace their fork() implementation I remember 01:14:42 p_l|vacation: I've done quite a bit of hacking on that fork implementation. 01:14:47 quotemstr: noted. I'll try to make it clearer next time I touch it. 01:14:50 p_l|vacation: It's the best we can do with win32 as it stands. 01:14:59 quotemstr: win32 or winnt? 01:15:06 p_l|vacation: Doesn't matter. 01:15:15 p_l|vacation: The win32 subsystem doesn't support RtlCloneProcess. 01:15:31 p_l|vacation: The NT kernel can clone processes, but win32 goes boom in the child. 01:15:34 quotemstr: can't we bypass it? 01:15:44 and/or use thunking in between? 01:15:57 p_l|vacation: No, because only win32-subsystem processes can realistically interact with the outside world. 01:16:03 (that is, IPC to win32) 01:16:05 If I didn't need to interact with the outside world, I'd use a Linux VM. 01:16:37 p_l|vacation: That's an interesting idea, but it'd require a rewrite of the whole thing. 01:16:37 oh well. 01:16:56 p_l|vacation: Basically, in your proposal, you'd have NT-native cygwin processes each paired with a win32 stand-in. 01:17:00 quotemstr: some VM can provide bridged or routed network interfaces to the outside world. 01:17:22 pjb: I build Windows using Cygwin. That level of interactivity just wouldn't work. 01:17:44 Ah sure, if you use it for windows development, ok. 01:17:56 quotemstr: I wonder how SUA did it 01:18:02 The tight integration is the point. 01:18:08 p_l|vacation: SUA is a separate subsystem. 01:18:11 p_l|vacation: Only we can write subsystems. 01:18:41 quotemstr: do subsystems have to be NE-format still? 01:18:53 p_l|vacation: Of course. How else could they work? 01:19:02 quotemstr: just asking 01:19:14 so, the beautiful land of undocumented ;) 01:19:15 p_l|vacation: I don't like this design any more than you do. 01:19:32 What I would friggin _love_ is an NtReadVirtualMemoryForCopyOnWrite system call. 01:20:04 It'd work just like NtReadVirtualMemory (known to you mortals as ReadProcessMemory), but instead of actually copying the pages, it would remap them as copy-on-write in both processes. 01:20:08 *p_l|vacation* right now does things to XP networking that seem more and more wrong 01:20:18 Cygwin could use that to implement a fast fork easily enough, and it'd have plenty of other applications. 01:20:30 p_l|vacation: Use Windows 7 alreay. 01:20:32 XP is dead. 01:20:44 quotemstr: 1) corporate policy 01:20:49 2) not mine machine 01:21:09 3) It won't register in the network if we clandestinely update it 01:21:51 p_l|vacation: How would the network know? Domain membership? 01:22:08 quotemstr: Domain and shitton of monitoring and remote management stuff 01:22:18 government 01:22:28 p_l|vacation: You realize XP support is ending in two years, right? 01:22:39 quotemstr: Not my problem 01:22:42 *quotemstr* tries clisp. 01:22:58 There's no Cygwin package for Clozure. 01:23:00 my problem is making the laptop into temporary router for a wifi-only tablet 01:23:05 clisp also has a win32-native version, right? 01:23:08 quotemstr: Clozure is native win32 01:23:40 p_l|vacation: Sure, but I want the Cygwin version so I can use Cygwin paths and the Cygwin VFS. 01:24:01 Windows programming? What a quaint hobby. 01:24:21 Zhivago: Indeed. 01:24:35 quotemstr: to make things funnier, i don't have PIN for mobile broadband SIM, so 99% of the shit I'm doing is unnecessary... unless you can't reboot 01:24:53 p_l|vacation: You can't reboot? 01:25:18 quotemstr: I will lose net access because I don't have the PIN for next ~6h 01:25:41 Huh. Not bad. 01:25:50 A "hello world" program in clisp started and finished in 47ms. 01:26:07 feels a bit like surgery on yourself, by yourself. Cause if I fuckup the network... ;) 01:27:06 p_l|vacation: Try fixing a server by typing T9 into a Symbian ssh client all over an EDGE connection in a part of rural Pennsylvania that God forgot. 01:27:31 I think I have most of that, minus T9 01:27:35 well, had 01:28:08 I had 3~9s lag back then 01:29:00 Yes. 01:29:04 When I were a lad, we wished we had 3-9s lag and a T9 tippytyper machinerator. 01:29:21 The lag was so bad that when I got back t a computer, I had to hack up Emacs to use ssh in line-oriented mode, as in the days of old. 01:29:48 Zhivago: in my experience, POTS modems, even horribly slow ones, had better latency 01:30:08 it might load slowly... but I'm talking about sending 56bytes on a round trip 01:33:26 eh, frak this 01:33:26 Hrm. 01:33:40 So clisp can generate an image, but it can't generate an actual PE executable? 01:33:42 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:33:45 I'm going to sleep, when I wake up I'll be able to get the PIN anyway 01:33:58 goodnight all 01:34:10 -!- p_l|vacation [2ecd3164@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.205.49.100] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:35:50 LiamH [~healy@96.231.218.107] has joined #lisp 01:37:55 quote: clisp uses a byte-code compiler and interpreter, with some experimental jit perhaps. 01:38:22 Hrm. 01:38:22 Would generating a PE executable be useful? You could probably make an executable bundle ala python. 01:38:29 clisp has special hashbang support. 01:38:39 Zhivago: It's silly, but I want to sometimes run these programs from cmd.exe. 01:39:07 -!- ignas__ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:39:08 Prefix the command with clisp? 01:39:19 Write a shellscript? 01:40:26 Zhivago: cmd-scripts are bad, unfortunately. 01:40:41 I am blessed with a deficit of windows. 01:40:56 Eh, clisp's hashbang support is good enough for now. 01:45:25 -!- agumonkey [~agu@85.158.70.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:49:12 Ah, that's a shame. 01:49:21 The clisp package for Cygwin is compiled without thread support. 01:50:10 -!- quotemstr [~quotemstr@dancol.org] has left #lisp 01:50:56 I commend the decision. 01:57:37 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59:45 -!- dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:04:05 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:37 -!- hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:07:11 lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has joined #lisp 02:07:21 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 02:10:09 springz [~springz@116.231.101.186] has joined #lisp 02:10:45 dryman [~dryman@OpenISDM.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #lisp 02:11:53 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 02:14:15 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-etoulixcmjmlgxwz] has joined #lisp 02:17:05 quotemstr [~quotemstr@dancol.org] has joined #lisp 02:18:11 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 02:19:12 nightfly19 [sage@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 02:19:17 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has joined #lisp 02:19:35 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:19:53 -!- nightfly [sage@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:20:44 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:21:17 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:28 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:24:03 mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has joined #lisp 02:24:03 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:10 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 02:24:23 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:07 -!- nightfly19 [sage@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:51 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-250-130.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:28:59 -!- mathslinux [~user@119.255.44.227] has left #lisp 02:32:04 hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 02:32:33 mhr [60fd6497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.253.100.151] has joined #lisp 02:36:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&feature=BFa&list=SPE18841CABEA24090 is there anything like this for common lisp? 02:36:49 I've finally learned to use Wanderlust's scoring, and checking up on last 2-3 months of c.l.l is actually quite a good/useful read, if you remove WJ/Xah Lee/gavino/ACL chapter threads 02:37:03 pjb: nice useful thread about html generators btw 02:37:49 mhr: yes, this is it. 02:37:58 mhr: sicp is not about scheme. 02:38:06 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:38:22 mhr: you can do the exercises and example in CL, or any other programming language: http://www.codepoetics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Topics:SICP_in_other_languages http://eli.thegreenplace.net/category/programming/lisp/sicp/ 02:39:09 really? according to this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/108201/common-lisp-or-scheme it was about scheme 02:39:48 Ah Ah! stackoverflow. LOL! 02:40:19 mhr: reddit, stackoverflow et al, it's blind leading blinds. 02:40:30 If you want real knowledge, go on usenet. 02:40:37 okay, thanks for the tip 02:47:48 Those SICP videos are really interesting. 02:48:18 ice [~ice@123.114.50.255] has joined #lisp 02:48:38 if it isn't about scheme, is sicp about CL? 02:48:53 no. It's not about any programming language. 02:49:00 SICP is about the Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. The language they happen to use is Scheme. 02:49:19 It's fairly easy to use both Scheme and CL. 02:49:28 And Emacs Lisp, too. 02:49:34 You just need to keep a list of differences in your mind. 02:49:43 okay, thank you, does scheme have macros too? 02:50:31 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.195.174] has joined #lisp 02:50:43 Is it me, or does clisp not contain any facility for handling unix signals? 02:50:47 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 02:50:57 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 02:51:30 I mean, you can use the FFI to do it, but that sounds very delicate. 02:51:57 quotemstr: in clisp, unix signals are signaled as lisp conditions. 02:52:11 pjb: Ah. The docs don't seem to mention it. 02:54:07 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:11 Eh, it's moot. The latest clisp compiled under Cygwin crashes on startup. 02:58:33 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-244-49-236.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #lisp 03:01:49 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 03:02:57 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 03:03:48 -!- benny [~user@i577A7C5B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:06:59 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:11 Yuuhi``` [benni@p54839843.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:09:49 pjb: I just looked back at your links, and http://www.codepoetics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Topics:SICP_in_other_languages is a dead link 03:09:58 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B580.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:14:47 stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.252.205] has joined #lisp 03:15:04 Dammit. 03:15:07 ECL doesn't build either. 03:15:14 Segfaults on startup. 03:15:42 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Quit: (quit :reason 'sleep)] 03:16:34 OOh. 03:16:55 gcc emitting "might be clobbered my longjmp" warnings really instills confidence in a codebase. 03:17:00 s/my/by/ 03:18:28 mhr: it's not useless: you can often recover the data from http://www.archive.org/ 03:18:46 haha, I can't believe I forgot about that 03:18:47 thanks 03:19:05 quotemstr: I'd not be confident of a codebase with such warnings. 03:19:14 -!- ipmonger [~user@97.89.236.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:28 ipmonger [~user@97.89.236.235] has joined #lisp 03:19:36 pjb: That's clisp. 03:19:59 And the best proof is the difficulties one has to port it to different/new systems. 03:20:18 But then, clisp is old therefore stable and has been ported on a lot of different systems. 03:20:39 *quotemstr* tries to build without ligsigsegv. 03:20:53 But still. Eg. other lisps can't even be installed on some linux systems because they try to execute data :-) 03:21:25 If they were programmed in pure ANSI C, they would be able to run everywhere (if somewhat slower, but who cares?). 03:24:05 -!- LiamH [~healy@96.231.218.107] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:24:41 -!- Kovensky [kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:29 -!- mhr [60fd6497@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.253.100.151] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:37:32 holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has joined #lisp 03:39:03 Dammit. 03:39:09 Hello world in ECL 12.1 takes 100ms. 03:41:48 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:41:48 gigamonkey_ [~gigamonke@adsl-99-184-206-255.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:43:28 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-23-101.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:43:28 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43:28 -!- gigamonkey_ is now known as gigamonkey 03:43:40 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:43:52 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:28 nightfly19 [sage@serenity.cat.pdx.edu] has joined #lisp 03:49:03 holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has joined #lisp 03:51:04 How can I get ECL to keep its intermediate C files? 03:51:09 -!- __dict__ [~jake@c-24-22-211-63.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #lisp 03:52:15 Check the manual, or the mail-list logs. 03:52:24 IIRC there's away. 03:53:10 Ah, got it. Thanks. 04:01:35 Gragh. Why does ECL's c:build-program only exist after a call to compile-file? (require 'c) doesn't seem to find anything. 04:02:56 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.82.19] has joined #lisp 04:05:09 quotemstr: maybe (require 'cmp) or such 04:06:31 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:06:48 -!- Zemyla [~zemyla@ec2-50-19-77-190.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:07:17 dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:07:38 Ah, cmp. 04:07:56 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 04:12:22 pjb, what's your Lisp implementation preference? 04:13:04 quotemstr: if I remember, ECL on Windows only uses the bytecode interpreter by default, which might be why that's needed 04:14:07 quotemstr: feel free to use the ecls sourceforge mailing list as needed, and its archives 04:14:21 I don't see why it would have trouble in a cygwin environment. 04:14:35 but from memory it does rely on gcc. 04:14:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-233.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 04:16:00 under cygwin it might behave more similarily to on unix, true; I probably assumed a visual studio build 04:16:15 but I honestly have no experience with ECL on windows whatsoever 04:16:25 an OS I don't use 04:17:13 Zemyla [~zemyla@ec2-50-19-77-190.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 04:17:23 A wise decision. 04:17:30 It is being replaced by android, from what I hear. 04:17:41 maybe heh 04:17:50 not that I use that 04:19:42 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 04:20:33 dsabanin [~dsabanin@195.208.164.212] has joined #lisp 04:23:47 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:07 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:26:26 -!- kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:28:40 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:29:53 -!- dmizzle [~dmizzle@c-76-23-19-120.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:56 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:33:18 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 04:33:18 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:36:10 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.101.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:36:41 Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 04:39:21 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:45:33 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@122.236.252.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:45:42 jcazevedo_ [~jcazevedo@bl6-94-169.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 04:46:20 xscc [~sun@123.149.107.48] has joined #lisp 04:48:02 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl18-104-148.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:48:03 -!- jcazevedo_ is now known as jcazevedo 04:51:03 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 04:51:04 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:54:24 Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 04:57:24 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 05:02:16 -!- xscc [~sun@123.149.107.48] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 05:03:35 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ifrncubrdtjbchly] has joined #lisp 05:03:53 -!- Archenoth [~user@96.51.223.95] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:29 -!- Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has left #lisp 05:08:24 -!- mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:08:50 mindCrime [~prhodes@c-67-162-98-95.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:10:49 Archenoth [~user@96.51.223.95] has joined #lisp 05:11:11 -!- shifty [~user@114-198-36-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:11:35 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-epvueyysoisnetff] has joined #lisp 05:11:35 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-epvueyysoisnetff] has quit [Changing host] 05:11:35 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:15:43 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:16:46 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLink@CPE-138-130-69-166.lns1.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:17:31 jaly [~user@221.12.6.50] has joined #lisp 05:17:54 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.20.176] has joined #lisp 05:20:38 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 05:24:20 lisporu [~chatzilla@124.123.173.211] has joined #lisp 05:28:21 how you guys learn algorithms ? buy a book and read from cover to cover ? 05:28:40 Borrow an introductory book from the library, become literate, read papers. 05:29:57 springz [~springz@116.231.101.186] has joined #lisp 05:31:49 -!- r126f [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:32:12 papers ? 05:32:23 stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.21] has joined #lisp 05:32:37 Zhivago: you are here too. I could have never guessed that you hang on #lisp 05:33:11 It is utterly opposite attitude of hardcore C hackers 05:34:03 I am not a C hacker. 05:34:07 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.212.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34:22 I just happen to know the language well. 05:34:23 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.212.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 05:35:12 wow... I just happen to know that you are great programmer 05:35:56 all signs you have 05:36:31 Read code, I guess. 05:36:57 lisporu, get a job that requires problem solving 05:37:11 Read Knuth? 05:37:21 yes read knuth cover-to-cover 05:37:28 I'll have to do that some day. ;-) 05:37:34 Maybe I'll get a check. 05:37:44 maybe! 05:38:03 I'm barely a programmer. 05:38:22 yeah, I do read Knuth but TAoCP feels like more of academics and less of practical. At least that is what my feelings are after reading his book 05:38:39 this is my meager award: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qu1j0t3/6373292909/in/photostream 05:40:20 Did you deposit that? Would a bank teller happen to know hex? 05:40:22 Nice! 05:40:50 ddelony, yes depositing it would be a smart move 05:41:01 My friend got one in 200: http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~baueran/cheque-blurred.png 05:41:13 Quadrescence: cool. That a congrats from me 05:41:18 he wrote an algorithm that helped chess programmers to write a better alpha-beta algorithm for chess program on computer 05:41:37 2003* 05:41:39 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 05:41:41 thanks 05:42:00 but I still feel there is something I can't relate with his book (same I felt for How to Design Programs and Cormen's book) 05:42:31 honestly, Knuth is difficult to read. I can't read it cover-to-cover. It's more of a reference than a textbook. 05:42:39 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 05:43:05 How do you read then 05:43:13 and what do you read then 05:43:34 I don't read as much as I should. I just write a lot of code. 05:43:41 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:43:56 try to solve new (to me) problems 05:44:07 Project Euler ? 05:44:28 I sometimes to Project Euler, but that to me is a test of math and not programming. 05:44:48 so what kind of problems 05:47:13 I mean what kind of problems you solve 05:47:17 You telling me that you learned algorithms by solving problem... I can agree to that. It feels like on contrary to UNIX way of problem solving and this conforms my fear: http://www.leancrew.com/all-this/2011/12/more-shell-less-egg/ 05:47:27 r126f [~ruwin126@120.142.67.254] has joined #lisp 05:47:36 Small things like "write a function to generate the partitions of an integer" [ https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/raw/95bbc5cc18cc/partitions.lisp ] to "write some simple genetic algorithm to find parameters to a function to find a least-squares fit to a set of points" [ https://bitbucket.org/tarballs_are_good/lisp-random/raw/95bbc5cc18cc/genetic-minimum.lisp ] 05:47:46 I don't know, I just write whatever is interesting. 05:51:06 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:41 -!- pjb [~t@81.202.16.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:52:36 Can you point me to some place where you can find these kinds of problems you are solving. I am searching for practical methods of learning algorithms for myself and I think my search has ended today 05:53:33 Aside from picking up books, reading papers, getting a job, or thinking of problems yourself, I don't have any suggestions. 05:54:15 reading papers ? you mean like "goto is harmful ?" 05:54:33 papers on different algorithms 05:54:48 can you please give me some words for googling 05:55:04 no 05:56:13 okay, I will google for "Queue structure + papers" 05:57:03 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 05:57:03 -!- dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:57:56 piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has joined #lisp 06:02:33 dan64 [~dan64@dannyadam.com] has joined #lisp 06:18:37 lisporu: Are you familiar with citeseer? 06:19:43 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:00 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:39 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.79.89] has joined #lisp 06:22:58 -!- ipmonger [~user@97.89.236.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:23:14 ipmonger [~user@97.89.236.235] has joined #lisp 06:23:29 mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 06:23:29 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 06:23:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:24:16 Zhivago: nope, never heard of this term 06:25:10 pro-tip: when hearing a term for the first time, enter it into google before asking in a channel what it means. 06:25:36 ur5us [~ur5us@121-98-128-74.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #lisp 06:27:16 CiteSeer was a public search engine and digital library for scientific and academic papers, primarily in the fields of computer and information science. It was replaced by CiteSeerX 06:28:04 seesm like I can get something 06:28:08 another pro-tip: don't paste to a channel what other can read on the web themselves 06:28:25 cymew [~cymew@fw01d.snowmen.se] has joined #lisp 06:30:22 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129004021.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 06:31:19 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:45 -!- ddelony [U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:32:40 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 06:33:33 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:35:06 Zhivago: Quadrescence: Nice, I got this one: http://ow.ly/c1CWu 06:37:28 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 06:40:46 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:41:29 whoohaa.. this one is nice too http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9605043/ 06:41:30 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.79.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:44:59 nha [~prefect@g225072036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 06:46:24 hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has joined #lisp 06:46:24 -!- hkBst [~marijn@79.170.210.172] has quit [Changing host] 06:46:24 hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has joined #lisp 06:46:29 LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 06:48:32 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:57:21 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-69-203-204-197.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:12 punee [~punee@set25-1-88-166-168-141.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:59:31 -!- hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:17 hmm... how can i change the external-format of a stream? 07:01:43 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:02:09 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:03:50 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:08:28 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 07:09:59 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:10:25 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:11:30 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:12:16 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.101.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:07 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:31 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:18:54 the c++ interpreter from cern is very interesting, maybe a c++ ffi can use that? http://root.cern.ch/drupal/content/cling 07:20:20 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 07:20:23 hmm... forget what i said 07:24:37 -!- fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:31:11 -!- nha [~prefect@g225072036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 07:42:07 dsp_ [dsp@antenora.aculei.net] has joined #lisp 07:42:34 carlo_au [~carlo@ppp118-208-15-87.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:43:30 LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has joined #lisp 07:43:56 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 07:46:43 ez271 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has joined #lisp 07:49:35 ehu [~ehuels@109.38.185.33] has joined #lisp 07:49:35 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:52 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:51:10 adam7504 [~adam@212.183.128.76] has joined #lisp 07:56:05 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:56:20 sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-48.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 07:56:21 -!- sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-48.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:56:21 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 07:58:58 c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-eergqygekmqmswca] has joined #lisp 08:05:59 -!- adam7504 [~adam@212.183.128.76] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 08:09:04 checcoxxx [~checcoxxx@37.101.176.148] has joined #lisp 08:09:10 ciao 08:09:12 !list 08:09:21 -!- checcoxxx [~checcoxxx@37.101.176.148] has left #lisp 08:12:53 raining_ [~raining_@S01060026f396243f.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:14:17 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 08:14:32 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:18:06 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 08:18:35 mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-135-199-85.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 08:18:37 -!- carlo_au [~carlo@ppp118-208-15-87.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19:23 trying to build sbcl, sb-concurrency fails its self-tests, so it doesnt build, any thoughts? 08:21:50 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:21:52 mcstar: why does it fail? It's probably not a good sign. Still, you can touch contrib/sb-concurrency/test-passed and install anyway 08:23:09 pkhuong: the compilation didnt stop after the failed test, ill have to look for it in the console dump 08:23:19 pkhuong: or is there a file, where the logis saved? 08:25:53 http://sprunge.us/AHgh 08:26:04 this is the failed step ^^ 08:27:03 That looks like the sort of test that might fail on loaded boxes. 08:28:16 my box is slow, but i wasnt running anything else 08:28:20 -!- jjkola_work [c064782a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.120.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:38 DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 08:33:38 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:39:54 Hi, I'm trying to use buildapp but if fails at compiling Hunchentoot when I --load-system restas but it works with --load-system hunchentoot. (« Error while invoking # on # ») 08:40:44 pkhuong: succeeded this time 08:41:27 pkhuong: interestingly, i was playing an mp4 file concurrently 08:45:12 -!- alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:17 alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 08:46:27 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:46:29 not looking at a result changes the observer, too 08:47:02 mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:47:56 nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-219.math.tu-berlin.de] has joined #lisp 08:48:10 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48:59 gko [~user@42-75-74-131.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 08:49:35 -!- ez271 [506d3e82@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.109.62.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:31 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 08:51:09 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:52:52 -!- raining_ [~raining_@S01060026f396243f.vc.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 08:53:42 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-94-169.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 08:58:12 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.38.185.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:58:25 sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:58:25 -!- sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-69.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:58:25 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 08:58:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:59:43 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.200.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:01:08 hmm nvm it works. 09:02:51 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:03:41 Borbie [~user@cmp-d-8k1gx2j.cmp.uea.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 09:04:00 sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-48.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 09:04:00 -!- sohail [~Adium@75-27-167-48.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:04:00 sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has joined #lisp 09:04:41 Is it safe to pass to REDUCE a function which can only take two arguments (not zero), like UNION, if the list is guaranteed to be nonempty? 09:06:37 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:06:47 Borbie: yes 09:07:06 I just read the bit I missed in the hyperspec 09:08:12 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 09:10:44 ehu [~ehuels@109.33.87.43] has joined #lisp 09:11:27 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-250-130.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:13:36 Since I can't seem to get w3m working, can SLIME be configured to show the texinfo hyperspec in emacs? 09:17:30 Borbie: http://t.co/Zu6bLucJ 09:20:27 maxm: thanks 09:22:06 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:07 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 09:22:17 Borbie: it needs works tho, symbol lookup works nice, but 50% of inner pages is missing 1.2.3.4.5 sec number in a heading, so its hard to lookup when someone tells to check clhs 1.2.3.4.5 09:22:52 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:26:02 I've been using http://users-phys.au.dk/harder/dpans.html here 09:26:30 dim: thats the one in above url, sorry did not have original but I zipped my for some windows guy 09:26:34 5.1.2 Kinds of Places 09:26:34 --------------------- 09:26:42 and I have the numbering 09:26:54 (sorry pasting that useless line) 09:27:03 maxm: oh, great 09:27:17 dim: yea around 50% have it, but a lot don't 09:27:49 well I don't know because I only use the index in there :) 09:28:37 Myk267 [~myk@71.149.250.130] has joined #lisp 09:29:01 edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:29:23 What about the ones linked here: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CommonLispHyperspec 09:29:26 I have hyperspec lookup open a full browser tab. 09:29:42 I have it as a pinned tab in Chrome 09:29:46 dedicated on a third monitor 09:30:42 I find reading info so much easier... 09:31:34 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:31:50 Same, single monitor here and switching away from emacs is not good 09:32:15 -!- alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:33:03 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:33:16 alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 09:34:01 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-135-199-85.monradsl.monornet.hu] has left #lisp 09:36:22 gmaggior [5e7f5486@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.127.84.134] has joined #lisp 09:36:27 mucker_ [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 09:37:04 peterhil` [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 09:37:09 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:37:30 -!- alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:39:39 -!- mucker_ [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:41 -!- sohail [~Adium@unaffiliated/sohail] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:39:45 Hello, I have this newbie question. I'm defining some keys in Emacs and syntax is (define-key key 'action) where action is a function call. I want to execute not one two function calls in-a-row, i.e. action1 then action2. Do you know whats it the way for this in lisp? Thanks 09:39:55 gmaggior: ask #emacs. 09:43:14 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 09:43:57 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 09:48:10 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f71698e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:49:00 alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 09:49:42 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:24 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 09:55:36 [SLB] [~slabua@host55-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:55:42 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host55-130-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 09:55:42 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 09:56:45 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-ifrncubrdtjbchly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:57:07 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:58:51 -!- Borbie [~user@cmp-d-8k1gx2j.cmp.uea.ac.uk] has left #lisp 10:00:17 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 10:00:21 kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #lisp 10:02:41 -!- jaly [~user@221.12.6.50] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:01 -!- ice [~ice@123.114.50.255] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:10:00 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 10:10:34 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-nznmqzhrlxvuvbwu] has joined #lisp 10:11:15 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:10 -!- gko [~user@42-75-74-131.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:13:28 -!- nha [~prefect@dhcp-15-219.math.tu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:17:15 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:19:18 -!- piko [~piko@ip4-83-240-108-205.cust.nbox.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:51 pkhuong: thanks. 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smart, like hosting someone else's code 13:07:47 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has joined #lisp 13:07:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has quit [Changing host] 13:07:48 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:08:05 harish [~harish@cm108.zeta234.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 13:10:49 LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 13:12:08 madnificent: why hosting someone else's code wouldn't be smart? That's what Xach's doing. 13:13:24 pjb: i was trying to continue the line. H4ns's comment hinted at the motivational poster tool of Xach, i assumed. 13:13:35 ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has joined #lisp 13:20:58 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:21:01 -!- Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: trivial-irc-0.0.3] 13:21:33 mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:22:58 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 13:24:23 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:25:34 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 13:25:58 kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.208] has joined #lisp 13:25:58 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.208] has quit [Changing host] 13:25:58 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:28:21 -!- stardiviner [~stardivin@218.74.177.21] has quit [Quit: my website: http://stardiviner.dyndns-blog.com/] 13:29:01 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-199-45.uio.no] has joined #lisp 13:29:04 ice [~ice@222.130.133.19] has joined #lisp 13:30:10 -!- ipmonger [~user@97.89.236.235] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:30:11 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 13:30:11 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 13:30:12 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 13:31:29 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.154] has joined #lisp 13:31:43 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:35:43 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:36:32 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 13:37:18 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-60-114.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:37:56 kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-141-9-108.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 13:38:19 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:38:28 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:37 -!- defektz [~simon@unaffiliated/soat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:54 ignas__ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 13:40:56 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:44:37 Xach's motivational poster? 13:44:55 *Xach* didn't see it that way at all 13:46:00 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:46:00 alama: http://wigflip.com/automotivator/ is a lisp-powered poster thing 13:46:47 ah, Xach's great toys. I'm inspired to send my girlfriend a motivational poster. 13:47:55 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:48:08 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has joined #lisp 13:48:09 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has quit [Changing host] 13:48:09 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:48:59 benny [~user@i577A8A93.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 13:48:59 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-104.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:49:32 schmx [~marcus@c83-254-190-169.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 13:53:17 more and more 13:53:40 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 13:54:59 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:55:58 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 14:02:32 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 14:04:46 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:05:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 14:07:37 fold [~fold@71-8-117-85.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 14:09:06 -!- Vutral [~ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:10:19 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:14:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has joined #lisp 14:14:12 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.57.210] has quit [Changing host] 14:14:12 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 14:15:58 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.110.71] has joined #lisp 14:18:32 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:23:08 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:25:40 k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 14:26:01 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:27:06 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:27:10 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:28:17 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 14:29:04 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 14:29:13 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 14:32:42 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:37:12 xscc [~xscc@123.52.87.227] has joined #lisp 14:37:45 -!- xscc [~xscc@123.52.87.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:14 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 14:42:25 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 14:43:19 amgs [~amgs@93.177.139.48] has joined #lisp 14:43:38 -!- hargettp [~hargettp@pool-71-174-137-155.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 14:44:30 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:46:13 -!- cymew [~cymew@fw01d.snowmen.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:57 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49:32 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-038-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49:33 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 14:49:52 hi, i'm new to lisp and cl-who and parenscript etc. so probably stupid question but 14:50:05 minion: chant 14:50:05 MORE AND MORE 14:50:06 suppose i have alist variable in lisp code (defvar MYVAR '((name alex) (status online))), how do i reference it from within parenscript expression? e.g. something like (ps ((@ ($ "#foo") text) (assoc name MYVAR))), but of course assoc doesn't work inside ps call 14:50:45 depends on when and where you want to access it. 14:51:40 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-117-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 14:52:24 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:53:41 i don't really get it sorry, I want to access it inside ps call, when variable is first encountered 14:53:45 amgs: if you want to call assoc in lisp, at generation time, use (ps* `((@ ($ "#foo") text) ,(assoc name MYVAR))) 14:53:52 ThomasH [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 14:53:55 Greetings lispers 14:54:20 If you want to send the a-list to the browser, you need to convert it into a JSON list, and use a javascript function instead of assoc. 14:54:41 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:55:04 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:55:13 amgs: (ps* `((@ ($ "#foo") text) (javascript-assoc ',name ',MYVAR))) 14:55:42 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:58:06 -!- xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has quit [Quit: xaxisx] 14:59:19 pjb: ps* seems to be the answer, thank you! 15:00:52 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01:19 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:05:29 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@static-217-133-17-91.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:35 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:06:51 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 15:14:27 -!- alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:14:43 -!- k0001 [~k0001@host76.190-228-122.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:15:22 jnbek|wc [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 15:16:39 -!- mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:32 Annoyance of the day: *load-verbose* t by default. 15:18:45 There RC files. 15:18:51 That's what init files are for. 15:19:06 A lot of default values are annoying. That's on purpose, so that you set them conciously to what you want. 15:19:27 pjb: sensible defaults make sense 15:19:57 It's annoying in the sense that you can't say "go install ECL and run ./myprogram.lisp" 15:20:33 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:17 alexander__b [~alexander@140.100.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 15:22:46 quotemstr: I think it's a cultural bias towards building interactive, long-running systems. 15:22:58 quotemstr: if you want it otherwise, you have to be a pioneer. 15:24:07 quotemstr: By "go install ECL and run ./myprogram.lisp", do you mean as an automated installation and execution or a set of instructions for someone to follow? 15:24:48 well I guess myprogram.lisp can change *load-verbose* 15:25:13 dim: some systems preface loading with ;; LOADING MYPROGRAM.LISP 15:25:21 or other similar announcements 15:25:27 oh, I see 15:26:57 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:32:31 __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.131.127] has joined #lisp 15:32:43 ThomasH: The latter, I suppose. 15:32:55 AeroNotix [~xeno@aeaq171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lisp 15:33:15 Basically, use the Lisp environment as a replacement for something like Python or the shell. 15:34:24 quotemstr: I do that, but I use the Lisp REPL instead of the shell interface. I like being able to refer to recent objects and write real functions and things like that. 15:35:29 -!- LaughingMan [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:36:23 Xach: That's nice, but it's at odds with the rest of a typical unix system. 15:36:24 xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has joined #lisp 15:36:25 quotemstr most people program in CL interactively in an environment like SLIME 15:36:37 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:36:39 kennyd_: Sure, and that's a perfectly good way to use CL. 15:36:44 kennyd_: It's the way I've used CL in the past. 15:36:54 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 15:37:14 But it'd be nice to write a do-something program that can be used from a shell script, popen, and so on just like a do-something implemented in, say, C or Perl. 15:39:08 clisp seems set up to make that possible (and fast!), but clisp is completely broken under Cygwin. 15:39:11 It would be nice, but things are not streamlined that way; if you want it that way, you have to make it happen (either by doing it yourself or persuading someone else to do it for you). 15:40:48 I don't think there are a combination of options or flags you can use on the typical implementation to make it just work nicely. 15:41:04 Seems like there are a lot of rough edges to smooth out and not a lot of experts interested in doing it. 15:42:07 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-242-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 15:43:54 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:44:05 I think last time this was talked about here there was that idea of having a little swank client script that could run from the command line and just send work to a running lisp 15:45:27 Hello xach 15:45:54 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.131.127] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46:16 hi loke 15:47:17 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:48:32 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089DD28.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:43 am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 15:50:12 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:50:12 -!- Natch [~Natch@178.73.212.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:29 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:51:20 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 15:52:14 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:53:00 specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has joined #lisp 15:53:00 I've thought about emacsclient for executing random jobs on the fly, but that's not quite CL. 15:54:48 quotemstr: IIRC both clisp and sbcl have command line options that let them run #! scripts 15:55:13 It's not really a great experience though. Loading stuff is slow and verbose in SBCL. 15:55:33 *Xach* prefers, when he does that stuff, to preload everything and make an executable 15:55:35 yes SBCL is slow at loading and even on startup from saved images 15:56:05 Xach: I was thinking the same thing, but then you'll run into the old, "The executable is huge!" complaint. 15:56:15 ThomasH: gzexe :) 15:56:23 ThomasH: compressed cores ;) 15:56:35 speaking of which, does sbcl support compressed cores? 15:56:36 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:56:42 jasom also the program will still run fine if some of the loaded libraries had breaking changes 15:56:43 Any anecdotal evidence of how CCL compares with starting up in some lean-and-mean configuration? 15:56:49 pkhuong: Yeah, I recall you mentioning that before. 15:57:30 jasom: it has for... nearly one year now! 15:57:36 kennyd_: yeah, I don't actually *use* the #! feature, I just save images like everyone else, but I remember seeing them in the command line options 15:57:48 Earlier this week, I had to literally ship 20G of data using a flash drive, most of it in binary files. 7zip actually compressed it down ti 8G, I was surprised. 15:58:23 *jasom* reads manual, it's right there, how did I miss it? 15:58:41 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 15:59:03 jasom: I suffer the same problem, been trying to get better about reading "New Features" list for the stuff I use. 15:59:16 -!- MI_Viewer [~user@125.119.99.26] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:28 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.154] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:59:44 -!- CrazyEddy [~tribuniti@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:21 jasom: It's not my experience that sbcl is slow on startup from saved images 16:00:27 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 16:00:42 Xach: It's about 5-10x slower than ccl 16:00:58 jasom: Not in my experience. 16:01:07 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-nznmqzhrlxvuvbwu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:32 In my experience, startup from a saved core is very fast, but loading any code (fasl or source) slows it down a lot. 16:01:40 Xach: I only noticed it on a program that had to be part of a unix pipe that got launched a lot, and I was running on a 1GHz machine 16:01:52 kanru` [~kanru@61-228-150-127.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:03 switching to CCL made it a lot faster, even though the code generated by CCL was considrably worse 16:02:24 jasom: There was some "recent" (last 12 months? 6 months? or something?) improvements to how SBCL checks its core on startup. How long ago was your stuff? 16:02:32 2011 16:02:36 don't remember when 16:02:41 Xach: 2 years I think. 16:02:52 how time flies 16:03:00 plus I was running with a few minor versions old, so it might be that 16:03:08 jasom: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/557357 16:03:42 Xach: that sounds a lot like what I was seeing 16:04:00 cool, well, if the opportunity arises, maybe sbcl can work better for you now 16:04:41 jdijk [jdijk@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has joined #lisp 16:04:43 -!- jdijk [jdijk@ftth-212-84-159-210.solcon.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 16:04:59 yeah, I'll try it out; I have just a single option to set which lisp I use so I can try it right now 16:05:55 k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.24] has joined #lisp 16:06:57 hahaha just sshed into the machine and it's running 1.0.45, so yeah that's before this fix 16:07:24 1.0.45 is so old, it has a very long beard! 16:07:37 like... beardyman? 16:07:43 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 16:07:50 *loke* is watching a beardman video right now 16:08:08 *jasom* is sure it was just whatever was in the gentoo lisp overlay in mid 2011 16:15:17 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:16:39 Now, how can I get ECL to stop trying to bring up the repl on error? 16:16:42 I just want the program to die. 16:18:05 quotemstr: put it in a HANDLER-CASE which does an exit? 16:18:16 quotemstr: (setq *break-on-signals* nil)? 16:18:27 Natch [~Natch@178.73.212.235] has joined #lisp 16:18:38 (handler-case (whatever) (t (exit))) 16:18:43 (ignore-errors (whatever)) 16:19:30 Yes, that's one approach. Ugly though. 16:20:18 (let ((*debugger-hook* (lambda (x y) (exit))) (whatever)) 16:20:30 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:13 CrazyEddy [~CrazyEddy@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 16:22:25 jasom: Ah, that's better. 16:23:38 Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:43 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.110.71] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:26:23 quotemstr: you can also make it a bit fancier and print something about the error before exiting 16:26:37 -!- Vutral [~ss@vutral.net] has quit [Client Quit] 16:27:59 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129004021.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:28:41 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 16:31:25 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-eergqygekmqmswca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:31:52 Yarou [~himuraken@unaffiliated/yarou] has joined #lisp 16:33:02 snearch [~snearch@f053005213.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:34:10 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-199-45.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:37:43 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb121-7-108-184.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:38:09 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 16:38:48 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-104.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:11 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-104.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:45:44 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:45:56 ykm [~yash@180.148.60.195] has joined #lisp 16:50:13 does Alastair Bridgewater come here? 16:50:49 theos: sometimes 16:51:07 ah looks like he stopped updating his site. i hope he is alright 16:51:42 shmore [~shmore@S01060026f31b5d58.hm.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:29 -!- cfdm [~user@222.235.51.254] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:14 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 16:54:23 gko [~user@42-75-216-85.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:56:07 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85811c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:56:52 or she 16:57:32 he was at the penultimate boston lisp meeting 16:58:55 nice 16:59:50 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85ba74.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:05 i was looking at his lh-usb project. looks promising 17:02:42 -!- ignas__ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:05:02 Hah, 1.0.45 is newer than what's shipped in Debian. 17:05:57 ChibaPet: which debian? 17:08:03 Stable. 17:09:05 :P 17:11:17 is it just me who had a good laugh? 17:11:31 Stability matters for production deployment. 17:12:17 ChibaPet: one doesn't get to comment on freshness when they use stable. 17:12:44 No, but we were talking about an unfortunate issue in what's almost certainly the most widely-deployed version of SBCL. 17:13:02 That's life. 17:13:06 It is. 17:14:30 I'm generally in the "take the OS vendor's version" camp, as opposed to the "deploy your whole application stack independently" camp. There are pros and cons to each. 17:16:18 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 17:17:26 On Debian, that's generally not the best idea unless you're using a very standard application. 17:18:02 -!- kanru` [~kanru@61-228-150-127.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:19:24 I'd offer up gcc as an example of where it works well. 17:20:29 It depends on the application. There was a period during which I'd consistently get ICEs or severely suboptimal code unless I used unstable. 17:21:47 pkhuong: your article on find was very interesting! more info on speed wrt to what lisp compilers do could have been interesting. 17:21:58 I guess there's no point in my complaining. A new version will be captured for Wheezy, and I guess it's not like the SBCL people designed with flaws in mind to torture Debian users. :P I just dislike things which make CL unsuitable for various tasks for any reason, and I was mildly dismayed to note a newer version than what Debian ships being considered long in the tooth. 17:22:11 ChibaPet: GCC is a rather special case, as most of the stack involved there can be fairly described as standard. 17:22:54 ChibaPet: the SBCL in stable will always be "long in the tooth" for most of the release's lifetime. 17:23:25 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 17:23:34 pkhuong: Right - but we're explicitly talking about something newer than that. 17:23:42 Oh well. 17:23:43 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 17:25:57 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-188-208.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:29:29 Xach: upgraded SBCL and it is indeed way faster with saved images 17:29:41 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.23] has joined #lisp 17:30:04 jasom: Any comparison with CCL, either now or from what you remember of CCL startup times? 17:31:01 jasom: glad to hear it 17:31:10 ChibaPet: well it's a bit apples-to-oranges since CCL ran slower (but won due to startup time being better), but let me check 17:32:19 LiamH1 [~healy@132.250.247.60] has joined #lisp 17:33:41 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:35:21 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:36:31 -!- am0c_ [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37:23 -!- Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:38:50 -!- LiamH1 [~healy@132.250.247.60] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:41:21 -!- scode [~scode@pollux.scode.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:42:03 kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.208] has joined #lisp 17:42:04 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.166.208] has quit [Changing host] 17:42:04 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 17:45:18 -!- ykm [~yash@180.148.60.195] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:49:07 how easy is it to backport sbcl? 17:49:20 apt-get build-dep sbcl && apt-get source -b sbcl? 17:49:57 dim: download a binary from sbcl.org, hope it wasn't built by juho with his fancy new glibc. 17:49:57 *dim* is interested into that comparison to CCL 17:50:46 pkhuong: debian sid and wheezy both have the latest 17:50:58 I'd build a debian package if I needed that 17:51:21 it's generally very easy, it boils down to build dependencies being available 17:51:26 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.154] has joined #lisp 17:53:28 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:54:26 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-104.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:08 ccl for debian is available at http://debian.chezwam.org/, btw 17:56:10 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-168-104.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:00:55 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc1-sgyl27-2-0-cust785.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 18:01:05 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:01:17 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:42 -!- alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f71698e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 18:08:57 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09:45 Would anyone who has experience optimizing CL code mind takinga look at http://pastebin.com/B2CaDk9a and seeing if there's anything I could do better? 18:10:41 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:11:31 herbieB: I'd make sure it's correct first. 18:12:13 hee hee 18:12:14 do you really intend for (bit-vector->integer #*111 2 3) => 4? 18:13:38 pkhuong: Oh, yeah, I'm not concerned abotu correctness 18:13:57 rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has joined #lisp 18:14:08 *pkhuong* walks away slowly 18:14:44 -!- k0001 [~k0001@200.5.223.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:57 bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-30-32.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:15:03 herbieB: then it's easy! (defun bit-vector->integer (vec start end) (declare (ignore vec start end)) 4) 18:15:05 pkhuong: Ha, I mean, of course I am. There's an obvious bug where n is incorrect when the value of start is non zero 18:15:07 watch it fly. 18:16:02 It's more that I'm trying to learn about optimizing CL and wondering if there's any obvious changes (such as using loop vs dotimes) 18:17:06 Any suggestions on how I might extract some data from an excel spreadsheet, daily, having fetched via drakma? (Other than don't do that. It will only make you sad.) 18:17:47 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:18:13 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:22 kliph [~user@unaffiliated/kliph] has joined #lisp 18:19:57 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-172-211.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:14 k0001 [~k0001@200.41.137.107] has joined #lisp 18:20:15 bhyde: I believe I did that using unoconv to convert an xls(x) file to CSV, which I then imported using a Lisp CSV parser. 18:20:20 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85ba74.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:20:36 herbieB: is there a size constraint on the resulting integer? will it always fit in 64 bits? 18:20:50 Xach: Yes 18:20:59 Xach: (it's on 64 bit arch too) 18:21:55 sykopomp - unoconv looks like it just might make me happy, thanks  looking more 18:24:30 http://pastebin.com/LdRBRe75, would be one way. 18:24:54 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:06 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:26:25 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:26:42 -!- gko [~user@42-75-216-85.dynamic-ip.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:26:56 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:27:08 pkhuong: Thanks! 18:27:14 mucker [~mucker@183.83.240.198] has joined #lisp 18:28:35 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.101.47] has joined #lisp 18:30:22 bhyde: you can save the excel as xml and then read that using cxml 18:30:24 LiamH1 [~healy@132.250.247.60] has joined #lisp 18:30:47 bhyde: but you'll want the old xml format, not .xlsx 18:32:07 -!- Natch [~Natch@178.73.212.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:59 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129004021.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 18:33:37 -!- nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:34:37 H4ns - if I'm opening excel, then I can just save to CSV. But this process runs on unix and I'd rather not own a copy of excel in this kit. The excel file is "97-2004 workbook" 18:35:53 nullman [~nullman@c-75-73-150-26.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:19 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:41:48 -!- LiamH1 [~healy@132.250.247.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:42:07 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:46:53 bhyde: ah, i see - i was sometimes lucky enough to tell my users to save in xml, but if you have no control over that, sykopomp's suggestion is probably best. 18:47:47 H4ns: Certain Clients in recent memory were not so kind. 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God programmed the universe in Lisp, and created the men who power the mechanical turk, so obviously, lisp is what extracted it from PDF! :-) 20:49:16 you sure it wasn't natural language selection that caused lisp to be selected and the universe agglomerate around it? :) 20:49:35 pjb: "Ostensibly, yes. Honestly, we hacked most of it together with Perl." ~ XKCD - Lisp 20:50:20 it explains the difficulty to reverse engineer it 20:52:22 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:52:48 so here are parens for a more civilized world (also xkcd) 20:52:55 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:05 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:40 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:59 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07:29 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 21:08:38 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.154] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:09:11 -!- xaxisx [~xaxisx@24.137.208.218] has quit [Quit: xaxisx] 21:10:19 -!- k0001 [~k0001@200.41.137.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:10:19 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:10:54 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:11:08 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-176-199-9-205.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:32 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:13:06 -!- edgar-rft [~GOD@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: Panic] 21:13:19 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:14:08 hga [~hga@adsl-75-42-238-71.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:32 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:15:04 -!- ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:18:32 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:54 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 21:20:03 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:20:58 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-178-002-117-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 21:22:58 ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:23:15 -!- mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:34 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:26:35 clanstin [~user@mail.austin-lane.net] has joined #lisp 21:27:56 -!- rudi [~rudi@cm-84.208.89.228.getinternet.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 21:28:59 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:29:26 -!- DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:44 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aeaq171.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 21:30:21 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:30:38 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:30:55 raining_ [~raining_@S01060026f396243f.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:24 BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:35 should we go all the way down to http://www.schnada.de/grapt/eriknaggum-perlrant.html ? (mmm, I hope quoting Naggum is ok here, I just don't know, don't shoot) 21:36:52 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37:30 -!- milanj [~milanj_@93-86-188-208.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:56 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:39:13 superflit [~superflit@63-228-83-76.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:46 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:40:53 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.195.174] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:09 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.195.174] has joined #lisp 21:44:06 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:27 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 21:47:54 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:47:58 *drewc* just read c.l.l and the final message was regarding Perl, and then C-x b'd here to find more Perl ... 21:49:01 drewc: You're going to have nightmares tonight of being chased down an infinite cooridor by a camel. 21:49:52 That should have been 1 o and 2 r's. 21:51:53 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-151.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 21:52:11 billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-151.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 21:52:11 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@p-216-227-82-151.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:52:12 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:53:56 -!- bhyde [~bhyde@c-66-31-30-32.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: bhyde] 21:55:42 -!- raining_ [~raining_@S01060026f396243f.vc.shawcable.net] has left #lisp 21:55:54 -!- superflit [~superflit@63-228-83-76.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:13 -!- astalla [~alessio@93.56.53.132] has quit [Quit: Sto andando via] 21:57:38 -!- pnq [~nick@AC83B73F.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:59:36 superflit [~superflit@65-128-38-46.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:50 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-242-119.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:02:09 pnq [~nick@AC815232.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:02:43 gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:44 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@bb-216-195-184-91.gwi.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:02:44 gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has joined #lisp 22:04:17 amgs [~amgs@93.177.139.48] has joined #lisp 22:06:55 -!- BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120615040410]] 22:10:31 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: bye] 22:12:07 __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.53.54] has joined #lisp 22:13:07 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.53.54] has quit [Client Quit] 22:13:21 -!- Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:13:40 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:13:58 -!- gurrag [~gurrag@unaffiliated/gurrag] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:14:00 ltriant [~ltriant@110-174-168-43.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:14:07 Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 22:14:19 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 22:18:41 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:06 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 22:20:15 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129004021.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:42 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890590.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:29:18 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:06 hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 22:37:07 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:38:37 -!- poisonarms [~poisonarm@cpe-70-116-22-88.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 22:39:42 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:42:00 load time of sbcl is still greater than load+run of ccl in my program; granted the image is about 50% larger in sbcl 22:43:37 -!- Natch [~Natch@178.73.212.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:38 The run-time (just executing the :toplevel passed to save-lisp-and-die in a slime session) was less than .2 seconds, running it from a saved application was over 1s; ccl ran from a saved application in .4s 22:44:04 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:44:27 the weird thing is the sys time for running the sbcl application is nearly .5s 22:46:16 -!- amgs [~amgs@93.177.139.48] has quit [Quit: amgs] 22:47:08 nevermind, it's not load time since I wrapped my code with a (time) block and it's all happening within there; I'll have to determine why it runs faster in slime than in a standalone 22:53:01 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:53:25 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 22:53:26 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 22:53:26 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 22:53:53 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@235.177.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:54:36 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:55:33 -!- hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:00 -!- kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-141-9-108.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:56:06 -!- pnq [~nick@AC815232.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:41 hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:01:23 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc1-sgyl27-2-0-cust785.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:52 pnq [~nick@ACA2DBC6.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:04:32 -!- hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:28 hugoxrosa [~user@189-24-148-149.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:08:13 Sorella [~quildreen@189-12-48-135.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 23:08:13 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@189-12-48-135.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Changing host] 23:08:13 Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has joined #lisp 23:12:33 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:12:56 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:15:50 *jasom* tracked it down to cl-markdown being astonishingly slow 23:17:08 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:18:37 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 23:20:58 -!- gffa [~unknown@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:22:07 Slow in CCL, not as slow in SBCL? 23:22:21 Or, that accounts for the SLIME difference. 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