00:00:02 paip is awesome really... 00:00:48 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-21-70.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:00:53 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129170076.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:01:04 Ya it's a nice book. 00:02:02 i think i should buy that 00:02:27 my pdf version here has weird fonts.... 00:02:38 almost unreadable.... 00:02:53 i'm never sure if there's an ' or ` in the book 00:02:59 bleh 00:03:28 zooming in and out if necessary but that sucks in the long run.... 00:03:42 Oh there's a pdf version? I had no idea. 00:04:03 no i have got it via some torrent somehow.... 00:04:12 older version i think.... 00:04:24 and i saw there's a newer one 00:04:25 or so 00:05:01 besides it's written in cl 00:05:19 reading sicp is cool too, but i have always translate that... 00:05:21 if "newer one" means 10-12 years old then yeah. 00:05:24 first in my head.... 00:05:31 erm 00:05:38 no 00:05:46 there's a new version i think... 00:05:51 should be not that old 00:06:00 or maybe i'm mistaken and it's a new book... 00:06:04 alltogether... 00:06:10 I think you are mistaken. 00:06:19 oh ok 00:06:22 homie: it's a *different* book 00:06:28 yep see 00:06:30 AIMA and PAIP are *very* different 00:06:34 a different one ok 00:06:45 oh so newer one is aima ? 00:06:47 oh AIMA. Yes. That's a nice book too though. 00:06:57 also with code examples ? 00:07:01 Not in lisp. 00:07:05 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 00:07:09 oh ok 00:07:32 Actually there might be lisp code on the website. 00:07:44 hmm, didn't look there yet 00:08:00 PAIP teaches rudimentary AI and a lot of lisp. AIMA is all about AI, and not about teaching programming. 00:08:20 hmmm 00:08:26 ok i'll stay with paip first 00:08:41 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:09:18 It's a good lisp book. If you're interested in AI then not so good :) 00:10:09 well yes it covers the early AI i think.... 00:10:55 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:11:09 so outdated maybe and aima was written for newer stuff.... 00:11:12 there are some AI techniques there, yes 00:11:17 not that outdated though 00:11:17 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:11:23 very rudimentary, though 00:11:39 and it's from the "neat AI" era 00:13:29 is there a critics for sicp or did i misheard something .... ? 00:13:52 that's for PAIP 00:13:54 felt like there was some quarrel in some channel.... 00:14:19 no i got what you said.... 00:15:31 There's critics of most things. Wouldn't surprise me if there were critics of sicp. 00:16:05 not that i would read them before the book anyway..... 00:16:36 info versions are pretty nice to read tho 00:16:59 i got now sicp and on-lisp in info version 00:17:27 and ansi-cl too for reference... 00:17:55 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:18:10 No PCL, huh? 00:18:27 erm, not yet 00:18:33 it's only online.... 00:18:51 and successfull-lisp from lamkins... 00:19:23 but those are all online-html and html 00:19:30 -!- ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:19:38 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 00:20:05 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:21:48 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:22:09 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:22:57 wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-84-44-176-157.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:23:15 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-135-159.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24:50 *drewc* owns PCL, PAIP, AMOP, and Land of Lisp in book form, all autographed by the authors, with the autograph made out to me personally. 00:25:36 Well, PAIP I got him to autograph a piece of paper that I sent him, because I have not met him in person. 00:27:13 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 00:27:35 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:27:51 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has joined #lisp 00:27:56 my "coders at work" is also signed... not a lisp book per se, but still a wee bit about lisp :D 00:28:27 cool 00:28:53 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:16 zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has joined #lisp 00:30:01 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-176-157.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:32:13 visar [~visar@77.29.49.190] has joined #lisp 00:32:37 I did get my copy of PAIP at the MIT Coop when I was working in Cambridge, using CL, in about 2007. That is what I would call an authentic Lisp experience! 00:32:53 -!- visar [~visar@77.29.49.190] has left #lisp 00:43:00 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:44:16 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 00:55:55 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:56:16 frozencemetery [~frozencem@SELENIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 00:57:10 is it possible to pass arguements to a common lisp script, and if so how would I read them from within said script? 00:58:22 System dependent. 00:58:34 that is implementation specific... perhaps check the results of your apropos for matches for "argument" "argv" etc 00:58:48 and the docs of your implementation 00:58:56 it's seriously not defined in the spec? Well that would explain why I couldn't find it then 00:58:59 I'll poke around thanks 01:00:51 <|3b|> why would the spec want to require there be some external system running the CL code? 01:01:22 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:01:23 that's a good point, but I was thinking it would just have them be empty strings if there wasn't such a system 01:01:34 (didn't say I was thinking correctly :) ) 01:01:47 axolotl [~niksaak@94.27.88.133] has joined #lisp 01:02:00 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:02:00 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:02:04 Hello world! 01:02:55 (hello world) 01:04:27 Is there somebody who can help me with lispbuilder-sdl? 01:04:43 <|3b|> probably depends on what your problem with it is 01:04:43 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:20 frozencemetery: try using CLISP. have a look at: http://cybertiggyr.com/gene/lscript/node4.html 01:05:52 also: http://www.clisp.org/impnotes/quickstart.html 01:06:09 I actually just found that 01:06:11 thanks :) 01:09:14 axolotl: maybe try #lispgames. 01:09:23 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 01:09:54 pnq [~nick@AC8265B1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:10:40 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:13:22 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 01:13:45 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130243 i have problem with this spyrograph-simulator attempt. It gives me error, and I can't figure out why. 01:14:54 chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 01:14:54 -!- chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Changing host] 01:14:54 chu_ [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has joined #lisp 01:15:00 -!- chu_ is now known as chu 01:15:29 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 01:15:32 <|3b|> i think sdl:point expects :x and :y 01:16:32 br sr d -> d br sr ? 01:17:16 <|3b|> also, code is more readable if you use longer identifiers (whole words instead of abbreviations, etc) 01:26:15 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:32:44 heh point awaits some :key 01:32:54 not a number i think.... 01:33:20 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-143-110.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 01:33:41 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:59 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 01:34:21 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:34:50 Whoops. Thanks, now, with keys, it works. I mean, at least it don't throws error at start. But it still does not draw anything. And sorry for readability, it wasn't supposed to be readable at the beginning =^___^= 01:36:41 leo2007 [~leo@221.219.118.47] has joined #lisp 01:36:46 ok worked 01:37:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130243#2 01:38:02 but i barely see the point! 01:38:09 a pixel is not that bright! 01:38:27 Kenjin_ [~josesanto@2.80.245.201] has joined #lisp 01:38:31 it runs here 01:38:47 and i see some pixel piont sweep up and down or so.... 01:38:51 make movements 01:40:00 http://lispbuilder.sourceforge.net/lispbuilder-sdl.html#devdraw 01:41:24 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.247.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:41:25 i tried it with (spyro 22 33 4) 01:44:02 -!- dmizzle [~dmizzle@c-76-23-19-120.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:03 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130243#3 01:44:43 Now it really draws pretty spyrography flowers \(^^)/ 01:44:59 Try 50 30 50 01:46:44 -!- zeissoctopus [~zeissocto@183178133120.ctinets.com] has quit [Quit: ] 01:48:33 -!- DataLinkDroid [~DataLink@CPE-58-165-160-138.lns2.cht.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:49:11 skalawag [~user@c75-109-165-199.amrlcmta01.tx.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #lisp 01:57:22 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 02:07:11 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 02:07:11 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 02:07:11 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 02:08:46 sellout [~Adium@pool-71-175-46-91.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:09:48 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.24.153] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:24 There are 3 weeks until the ICFP programming contest, https://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/ If there are any interested in joining a team, please let me know, zachkostsmith at gmail dot com. 02:10:41 cheezus [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 02:10:48 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 02:10:52 -!- cheezus [~Adium@75-119-242-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:12:21 -!- timack [~timack@142.177.100.237] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:20:04 jup cool 02:20:07 seen it 02:21:21 ah ok 02:21:43 but how do you give it something like a mous-down-event rather then a key-down-event for quit ? 02:22:20 cause that way i can't switch window while watching it 02:23:31 <|3b|> :mouse-button-down-event 02:23:37 ah ok 02:23:43 <|3b|> or check for a specific key 02:24:17 Matt__ [60fd637c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.253.99.124] has joined #lisp 02:24:19 jiroukaja [~jiroukaja@softbank221094150218.bbtec.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:40 yea q could be ok 02:25:59 http://paste.lisp.org/display/130243#4 done! \(^^)/ 02:27:49 |3b|: :mouse-button-up-event is better, it gives you possibility to change your mind imo~ 02:28:16 huh 02:28:19 lol 02:28:23 no way 02:28:41 once pressed you have to release sometime! 02:29:03 <|3b|> right, i was just answering the specific request, not thinking about it :) 02:29:29 homie: but if you release not over sdl window it will not quit 02:29:40 you can delay it a little while that way.....only.... 02:29:49 ooooh 02:29:58 ... or not~ 02:30:00 axolotl: ok 02:30:21 now i get it lol 02:30:38 -!- Matt__ [60fd637c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.253.99.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:59 try 100 50 100 02:33:00 lol 02:33:18 *...or will. It, actually, quits regardless of where mouse is when you release button, just checked /___\ 02:33:34 ok 02:33:38 was wondering tho 02:36:01 200 15 100 looks like a primitive wormwhole somehow.... 02:38:36 homie: (spyro 100 (/ 15 2) 50) ; Full version ^___^ 02:40:49 donut! 02:40:50 lol 02:41:13 and one more cute idea is to try THIS: (spyro (random 100) (random 100) (random 100)) 02:42:55 'cause random is cool, there is never too much of random, make random, not warr~~~ 02:46:11 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@101.63.185.67] has joined #lisp 02:46:11 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@101.63.185.67] has quit [Client Quit] 02:49:25 -!- leo2007 [~leo@221.219.118.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:51:44 harish [~harish@119.234.172.86] has joined #lisp 02:51:58 mobydick [~textual@d122-109-131-151.adl801.sa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:55:41 leo2007 [~leo@123.112.99.115] has joined #lisp 03:06:28 stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.24.153] has joined #lisp 03:06:30 Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B9EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:07:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-108-142.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:08:05 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483BDB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:10:19 -!- sellout [~Adium@pool-71-175-46-91.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:32 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:14 -!- rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-143-110.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:14:49 Hi all.. When using CL-SMTP to send mail is there any way to query the status of the SEND-EMAIL process? I can't find anything in the documentation. 03:15:32 -!- CampinSam [~user@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:24:28 -!- ur5us [~ur5us@121-98-128-74.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:24:52 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 03:26:25 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:27:55 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 03:31:57 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 03:36:42 emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-67-249-179-243.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:37:25 Is there a map analogous to bind (from metabang-bind)? 03:40:55 What i want is composable destructuring function application. 03:41:20 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:44:21 -!- aloysius21 [~user@99-123-152-51.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 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GNUmakefile or in the toolchains/ ? 07:35:05 francogrex: oh I thought you were building CL code using ECL, I now understand that it's ECL itself you're trying to build? 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#lisp 14:46:27 Quadrescence: I think they talk about adding lambdas nearly ever iteration of Java 14:46:37 ;) 14:48:23 If someone remembered that I asked about ( and ) parser here's what I did: http://goo.gl/McshW. If someone wants to play with, remember that there's no syntax checker so be careful. 14:49:39 schmx [~marcus@c83-254-190-169.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 14:53:48 -!- schmx [~marcus@c83-254-190-169.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Changing host] 14:53:48 schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has joined #lisp 14:53:58 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.73.113] has joined #lisp 14:58:27 tcr1 [~tcr@94.76.37.24] has joined #lisp 14:58:33 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:58:54 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:59:28 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 15:00:27 visar [~visar@77.29.157.247] has joined #lisp 15:01:06 -!- visar [~visar@77.29.157.247] has left #lisp 15:02:00 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.204.90] has joined #lisp 15:03:08 nachtwandler_ [~nachtwand@p5089D355.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:03:52 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089C0AC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:04:07 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:06:40 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:08:05 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 15:10:02 Quadrescence: still missing sexps, macros, etc. 15:10:11 ;) 15:10:19 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:10:44 I know one day they're going to try to bolt on some kind of macro system. 15:11:30 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.217.91] has joined #lisp 15:13:12 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:37 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 15:13:39 In all seriousness I think they prefer code templates and code generation 15:14:02 hh [~hh@cpe-76-90-2-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:14:03 no even a poor mans macros system 15:14:06 not* 15:15:00 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129072180.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 15:16:36 f4wk35 [~f4wk35@20.173-254-163.netnet.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:01 BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:22:31 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:23:35 -!- BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:46 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:26:33 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.50.67] has joined #lisp 15:29:33 -!- chu [~chu@unaffiliated/chu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:30:02 jewel [~jewel@196.215.148.118] has joined #lisp 15:31:34 Guthur: that said you can easily implement a lisp macro system as a front end to any programming language. See for example elpp. 15:31:57 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129453 15:32:58 slash__ [~Unknown@141.84.69.75] has joined #lisp 15:33:52 -!- slash__ [~Unknown@141.84.69.75] has quit [Client Quit] 15:34:16 stlifey [~stlifey@116.19.142.238] has joined #lisp 15:35:36 Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.191] has joined #lisp 15:36:43 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:50 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@124.131.12.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:41:42 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@124.131.12.101] has joined #lisp 15:44:00 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 15:45:11 c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 15:49:09 icrazyhack [horieyui@202.120.202.55] has joined #lisp 15:50:18 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:26 -!- f4wk35 [~f4wk35@20.173-254-163.netnet.net] has quit [Quit: f4wk35] 15:54:07 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-136-21-70.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 15:54:13 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@94.76.37.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:52 hmm how come (replace seq seq :start1 (1- (length seq)) :start2 (length seq)) does not throw an error in sbcl 15:55:05 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:15 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@HSI-KBW-109-193-252-079.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:19 maxm: why would you expect that ? 15:57:36 coz (length seq) is invalid index for seq 15:57:40 just for correctness 15:58:04 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:37 good point 15:59:50 lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:01 well ccl behaves the same, so I guess its hidden somewhere in the spec 16:00:31 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 16:01:32 maxm: Maybe it just ignores it? 16:02:04 actually, no 16:02:11 maxm: when :start2 and :end2 are equal it's a zero length replacement. 16:02:20 maxm: and since :end2 can be (length seq), it's ok. 16:02:21 (length seq) is an invalid index, but a valid start 16:02:30 Try :start2 (1+ (length seq)). 16:02:30 it's a valid start, for length 0. 16:02:30 yes its a no-op since there is nothing to copy, but I was expecting it to throw an error.. 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17:42:23 someone has done this somewhere already 17:43:24 Quadrescence: who ? 17:43:36 [6502]: basically, you have to install a reader macro on all the characters (at least all the constituent characters that may be the first character of a foo.bar.baz token), and write a parser. 17:43:37 I am trying to remember. 17:43:40 I know where to find it! 17:43:42 [6502]: rather easy. 17:44:35 (loop for ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" do (set-reader-macro ch 'parse-foo.bar.baz t)) 17:44:48 (loop for ch in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" do (set-macro-character ch 'parse-foo.bar.baz t)) 17:46:42 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:46:54 maxm. 17:47:02 <[6502]> of course i meant "(baz (bar foo))", not calling foo 17:47:11 Don't think he did it at the reader level though. 17:47:38 I think this project has that kind of macrology http://www.littleb.org/download.html 17:47:41 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.194.253.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:52 Well, indeed, you can wrap all those syntaxes in a macro, then the macro can walk the body and make the substitutions. 17:47:57 See this reddit comment: http://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/pg2yx/what_are_some_fun_or_useful_macros/c3p3a70 17:48:07 (with-java-syntax (+ foo.bar.baz 42)) 17:48:39 But (with-java-syntax ) is boilerplate that can be eliminated with a reader macro. 17:49:03 [6502]: alternately, you can (funcall (compose 'baz 'bar) foo) 17:49:21 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@51.108.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 17:50:11 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 17:50:49 sykopomp, :) 17:50:56 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@51.108.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:51:15 add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-32-128.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 17:53:02 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 17:53:23 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 17:53:50 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:36 alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f703062.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 17:57:33 -!- dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:57:53 noplamodo [~noplamodo@unaffiliated/noplamodo] has joined #lisp 17:57:56 -!- tiripamwe [29dd9f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:59:29 dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #lisp 17:59:30 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-32-128.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 17:59:42 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:57 -!- noplamodo [~noplamodo@unaffiliated/noplamodo] has left #lisp 18:02:02 Raynos [u3611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fwfjmhkcvelxclso] has joined #lisp 18:02:27 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-160.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:02:37 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@static-64-61-115-26.isp.broadviewnet.net] has quit [Quit: gigamonkey] 18:03:12 pnq [~nick@ACA214CA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:05:30 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:06:17 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-173-160.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:16:34 Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 18:17:29 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 18:21:11 ZombieChicken [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:21:11 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:21:11 ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 18:21:22 -!- alama [~jessealam@stgt-5f703062.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:22:28 [6502], Quadrescence yea i did it for qt.. Its not through the reader, I just dumbly walk the code and brute-force substitute stuff 18:22:43 google %with-qt and you'll find it, I pasted it lots of times 18:23:30 http://paste.lisp.org/display/128747 18:26:13 jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has joined #lisp 18:26:15 peterhil` [~peterhil@91-157-48-51.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #lisp 18:26:25 Suthe [~Suthe@113.Red-83-33-81.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:26:58 usage is (with-qt (let ((p (new QPoint 1 2))) (p.setX 10) (p.+= (new QPoint 100 100)) (list (p.x) (p.y)))) will return (101 102) 18:27:26 err 110 102 18:27:43 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:14 "def function", how very Dylan 18:29:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:31:04 well I use it to wrap all functions/methods with custom code munchers.. so (def (function q) ...) body and args are automatically wrapped into (with-qt ) and (with-qt-objects) 18:31:15 :) 18:31:37 CL-CUSTOM-CODE-MUNCHER 18:31:51 2nd one is for (let ((tmp (transient (new Whatever))))) later does (delete tmp) 18:33:26 [6502]: you can also shadow defun and a few other macros to implement the foo.bar.baz substitutions. The only drawback of this approach is that it's not well composable with other features. 18:34:04 walking a graph of objects, is one thing where prefix notation sucks hugely.. Ie a.b.c.d vs (d (c (b a))) 18:34:13 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:37 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 18:34:37 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 18:34:37 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 18:34:57 I would do something like %a.b.c.d at least so i can parse from the prefix 18:35:03 In (defun* f () (m a.b.c.d)), the defun* macro is expanded before the m macro. Therefore the m macro sees only (m (d (c (b a)))). 18:35:13 def thing does other stuff, e flag exports, n/c is for automatically making initarg and accessors for classes and other useful stuff 18:35:42 Some systems, implemented more parsing. Eg. for infix notation: a.b+c.d*e->g 18:36:53 BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 18:37:21 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:58 well its not quite possible to do with other macros, coz its not just accessors. How %a.b.c.d reader macro will handle if d is a method taking an arg, ie (%a.b.c.d blah) 18:38:16 then you basically have to do "override every character" solution, 18:38:54 (%a.b.c.d blah) must be written: %blah.a.b.c.d 18:39:05 The question is what about (f g).a.b.c.d 18:39:06 pjb: not sure if trolling :-) 18:39:14 You can write: %(f g).a.b.c.d 18:39:42 pjb: I decided not to handle this, but it can be done.. For cases where I need to do it, I just bind (f g) in a let first 18:40:28 Personnaly, I'd favor writing a {} reader macro in which I'd parse whatever language I'd want. (or [] in the case of Objective-CL ;-) ) 18:40:29 or use CommonQt built-in reader syntax, ie (#_setX (something-returning-qt-object blah) 18:41:02 { x.d=o.b.c+z; z+=x.d; } 18:41:04 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 18:41:35 pjb: in my case it would look really un-natural and introduce too much {}, because some of my .lisp files deal exclusively with gui, and manipulate qt objects every other line of code 18:41:40 -!- Kaisyu [~Kaisyu@183.109.111.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:42:09 i don't want to "embed qt" into my lisp code, I want to write qt gui app in lisp 18:42:16 maxm: notice the ';'. And you can also have lisp escapes. In Objective-C, any left parenthesis is a lisp escape. 18:42:30 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:42:30 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:42:30 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 18:42:44 (+ 42 [(get-some-object x) doSomethingWith:(+ 2 3) and:(some-other 'lisp-stuff)]) 18:43:06 Objective-CL. 18:43:22 Like in Objective-C, anything that's not "Objective" is C code. 18:44:50 Sorella_ [~quildreen@201-58-229-66.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #lisp 18:45:36 *maxm* feels he dodjed a bullet never having to learn objc 18:45:45 -!- Sorella [~quildreen@oftn/member/Sorella] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:06 maxm: one of the best OO you can have over C. C++ is infinitely lame compared to it. 18:46:36 Actually, Qt is trying hard re-implementing Objective-C. It's the Greenspun's Tenth of GUI. 18:46:51 you just like it coz of steve jobs :-) note that they stole webkit from kde 18:47:38 Objective-C was invented by Brad Cox, not by NeXTSTEP nor Steve Jobs. 18:47:44 rather then writing their own browser in objc 18:47:50 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:04 yea, but it would have been niche language if not for apple 18:48:20 no one really cared much about openstep or gnustep 18:48:38 C++ would be niche language if not for AT&T. Java WAS nice language until Sun backed it. That doesn't mean anything. 18:49:33 If it wasn't for AT&T, everybody would be laughthing at Stroustrup. 18:49:55 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:49:55 well we have fundamental disagreement heer 18:50:06 And I won't even tell you about Eiffel. 18:50:16 here.. You can do amazing stuff with templates, and it compiles into tight code, as if rolled manually 18:50:43 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:33 yes c++ has warts, but its a nice tradeoff, where reasonable person can pretty much guess the machine code that would be generated from the stuff they write, yet write using pretty high-level abstractions (ie vectors/iterators and such) 18:52:26 maxm: that's a big misconception. 18:52:35 hint: operator overloading. 18:53:05 so what? without virtual functions, operator overloading is pretty much syntax sugar, like lisp macros 18:53:10 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:53:13 pjb: Java was alway's sun doing etc. 18:53:34 So you cannot say what assembly is generated for a=b+c; Anything can happen. 18:53:35 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 18:53:45 p_l: that's what I was saying! 18:53:45 maxm: also, it's very, very far from "assembler". It just is lowlevel enough 18:54:03 pjb: well if I know the types of the variables, I can pretty much guess 18:54:50 p_l: its a made up argument, I can make same argument about lisp, that (+ 1 2 3) could really mean anything, because + could be something other then you expect, and because of reader macros 18:55:33 maxm: yes, but I don't entertain the fantasy of knowing what assembly is generated for (+ 1 2 3). 18:55:56 p_l: thats the best part. its far from assembler, but when writing c++ (at least for me), I intuitively kind of know what code it will be compiled to, and usually with high optimizationss is pretty much what I had in mind (when looking at disassembly) 18:56:22 maxm: do you know x86_64 that well? 18:56:32 (I don't. I was a mc680x0 assembler programmer). 18:57:27 fantazo [~fantazo@213.129.230.10] has joined #lisp 18:58:59 well I did not have to actually write assembler programs in probably a decade, but yes i know x86 reasonably well. x86-64 is pretty much the same thing with more registers.. I admit I don't know lots of new fangled stuff like sse/mmx 19:00:17 maxm: no, there's actually specified "undefined behaviour" everywhere 19:00:43 maxm: while ANSI defines that (+ 1 2 3) in CL package is supposed to do certain things, semantically 19:01:01 of course, c=a+b is a bad example of that 19:02:32 well I have my story and i'm sticking to it.. when writing c++ code, in practical situations, it worked well for me, I don't pretend that this is some universal principle or whatever. works for me is good enough here, and amount of good quality software written in c++ imho supports me on this 19:03:34 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03:51 FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has joined #lisp 19:05:34 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06:08 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:18 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:18 -!- Sorella_ is now known as Sorella 19:14:12 maxm: no successful OS was ever written in C++. On the other hand, device drivers were written in Objective-C on OPENSTEP. 19:14:29 pjb: untrue, unfortunately 19:14:41 heh 19:14:45 (first one, and the second... it was Mach, so...) 19:15:57 pjb: isn't winNT c++? 19:16:34 then there's reactos, I wouldn't care enough to call it successful though 19:16:44 p_l: have a look at ./CirrusLogicGD754X_SVGA/CirrusLogicGD754X_SVGA_reloc.tproj/CirrusLogicGD754X_SVGA.m in ftp://ftp.informatimago.com/pub/free/develop/nextstep/CirrusLogicGD754X_SVGA.0.96.I.s.tar.gz 19:17:22 So it even was in NeXTSTEP 3.3. 19:17:43 tiripamwe [29dd9f54@gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.221.159.84] has joined #lisp 19:18:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-166-241.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 19:19:30 On that criteria, "successful OS written in", Pascal is superior to C++ so far. 19:21:17 -!- FreeArtMan [~fam@93.177.213.54] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:32 pjb: I know of no EAL7 OSes done in Pascal. There are some in Ada, and there are I think two in C++. EAL7 means that the functionality (in all of thoes cases, for separation of concerns) was mathematically verified 19:21:46 doesn't mean that I like C++, not at all 19:22:06 btw, was that driver user or kernel mode? 19:22:14 (also, OSX drivers are afaik C++) 19:22:45 p_l: Mac OS was written in Pascal (with only the lower level parts written in assembler). The USCD Pascal system was also obviously written in Pascal 19:22:47 . 19:23:03 pjb: Windows 1-3.x was written in Pascal as well 19:23:13 yes, I know. 19:23:52 Now, of course, you can discuss the meaning of "successful". 19:24:58 -!- moah [~moah@dslb-188-109-174-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #lisp 19:25:24 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@51.108.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:25:25 well if we have winNT and MacOS written in C++ and Pascal, I guess that set them equal 19:25:58 isn't NT kernel written in C? 19:26:05 dim: no C++ in NT 19:26:10 dim: WinNT is technically language agnostic, as long as you go with C calling convention 19:26:28 it's C with exception handling 19:26:30 unlike Unix, which never really grew to be so 19:26:34 oh ok, I don't know why I think NT has been written in C++ then 19:26:44 dfox: NT's exception handling is again, language agnostic :) 19:26:50 dim: there are some APIs in C++ 19:26:56 Well, it's hard to know, since we don't have the sources. 19:26:56 like gdiplus.dll 19:27:11 pjb: there's enough in DDK 19:27:27 it is object-oriented, VMS-like C 19:30:06 p_l: point is, NT's sources are not completely plain C, but depend on some MS extensions 19:30:48 but certainly not C++ :) 19:33:44 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA214CA.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:36:14 dfox: afaik, those extensions are simply intrinsics to make it easier, but can be done with preprocessor and inline assembly :) 19:36:40 probably without inline assembly, even, but you loose on speed even with inlining 19:37:19 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@51.108.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 19:37:34 anyway, it's completely OT and flame-inducing topic 19:38:27 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: ltz] 19:50:30 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.148.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:50:51 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@51.108.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 19:53:20 -!- Davidbrcz 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I basically want a 'compile-and-eval-all-my-junk-in-this-project' or whatever the proper system is (asd perhaps? I can't figure out how to make it build) 23:42:38 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:42:52 ltbarcly2: it is. But it uses asdf. 23:43:16 So asdf manages the dependencies intra-project, and quicklisp inter-project. 23:43:27 ok, that makes sense 23:43:37 I'll go read asdf documentation 23:44:05 *|3b|* would say asdf handles interproject dependencies also, quicklisp just adds automatic downloading of missing dependencies 23:45:04 <|3b|> still same answer to original question though, make a .asd specifying dependencies of your project, then load it with quicklisp 23:49:45 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:08 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@95.76.22.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52:54 What would you recommend from the writing-space-game-physics-engine tutorials? Especially lisp-specific~ 23:54:04 zealousJavelin: I'd recommend asking on #lispgames 23:55:51 Oh. There is such a channel. Woops =^___^= 23:56:10 zealousJavelin: http://cliki.net/IRC