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What's a good option? SVG seems like a possibility, but I can't think of how I'd keep the view in sync with the DOM on the CL side. 00:33:41 sellout: not really aware of any that would do it automatically.. Can't you simply repaint when data changes? 00:34:32 I've been using qt QGraphicsView/QGraphicsScene canvas framework, syncing stuff up manually (by doing :after methods on (setf accessor-of) slots of the models 00:34:43 maxm: Yeah  but if I'm loading SVG in a browser, that's not really an option. 00:35:12 ah I did not realized you meant for the web, I thought fat app 00:35:17 so you're looking for more of an ajax framework thingy. 00:35:22 coz you mentioned dto, and he does not do web 00:35:46 kpreid: I dunno  I just want something easy and not too tied to one thing. 00:35:59 sellout: you seen this? https://github.com/square/cubism 00:36:01 If I'm going to be stuck on a platform, I'll probably pick Cocoa. 00:36:13 sellout: demo http://square.github.com/cubism/ 00:36:37 sellout: wait, is or isn't a browser part of your requirements? 00:36:51 maxm: So, does the js just make a request every second or so? 00:37:06 kpreid: Nope, not a requirement. Just thinking of things that'd work portably. 00:37:21 no idea, I have it bookmarked but have not tried it.. I assume you can do ajax based server push 00:37:23 Starting a hunchentoot instance seems pretty portable. 00:37:43 maxm: Ajax lets you do server-push? I had no idea! 00:37:53 forgot what the technique called, ie each client sits there with Connection: open request, and server sends data when event happens 00:37:59 modern browsers have features specifically for server push, and the cheeky trick is "long polling"  make an ajax request which doesn't return until something happens 00:38:06 ckedtter [~a11888fgh@static-50-43-21-138.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 00:38:07 sellout: dude, you missed last 3 years of the web eh? 00:38:20 maxm: I have tried to miss as much of the Web as possible. 00:38:26 look up "EventTarget" for the better solution 00:38:38 the technique name is on the tip of my tongue.. there are whole libraries that generalise this stuff, and basically wrap browser compatibility layer on it 00:38:46 wait, no, not that 00:38:55 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:07 "EventSource", that's what it's called :) 00:39:13 ah comet 00:39:18 I knew it was something spacy 00:39:19 the doesn't-really-mean-anything term for this is ...yeah, comet 00:40:01 Oh  Ajax, Comet. I get it. 00:41:00 Ok, cool. Thanks, guys. This seems like what I want. 00:41:07 anyway, this should give the google keywords to look for. I researched this around 1 year ago, and things move fast, so i don't know latest developments.. Just beware that for this to scale, you need special web server 00:41:45 coz default prefork apache won't handle 10k long-poll clients 00:41:50 Oh, I don't need scale  I just want anyone who runs the system to be able to see some live visualization of what's happening. It's more an admin tool than a user one. 00:42:31 ahh if its for hobby project apache will work. I had implemented it with PHP/perl/mysql and it worked reasonably well for Eve online chat <=> web irc gateway thing 00:42:55 I'll just use hunchentoot.  or hunch or toot or whatever the cool thing is these days. 00:43:08 toot is still the thing 00:44:47 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8CFCDF.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:56 ebobby [~fms@189.170.90.71] has joined #lisp 00:44:59 -!- ebobby [~fms@189.170.90.71] has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:45 ebobby [~fms@189.170.90.71] has joined #lisp 00:48:35 you'll have to ask H4ns on how to do long polling with it.. the lowest layer is you use something like POST /blah/poll/eventId=123, server sends back Connection: keep-alive, then waits for event to occur inside the server, then sends stuff back (generally as json data).. 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07:56:44 and have them write handler functions like (defun on-chat (message sourceid &optional *current-bot* ) 07:59:02 they'd do things like (bot-chat "hello world") 07:59:07 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:00:03 oh really what be helpfull is someone knew of a bot librqary already that i could just use the spec for 08:00:47 ideally a NPC api even for an existing game 08:01:38 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.210] has joined #lisp 08:05:11 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:08:02 -!- sabalaba [~Adium@2602:306:cfc8:8c30:c9ea:1863:40dc:d2a0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:08:03 like CL-SAPHIRA though that one is very much like "driving" (forward 10) (left 90) 08:17:46 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 08:18:11 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:20 stardiviner 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09:27:44 i suppose yes something that looks like the python APi is enough 09:28:20 -!- paidhi [~paidhi@chello084114142063.2.15.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: paidhi] 09:28:31 paidhi [~paidhi@chello084114142063.2.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 09:29:26 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:29:28 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 09:29:28 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Client Quit] 09:30:14 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 09:30:58 well i have a prolog APi to operate the robot.. I do want to get it doing it's whatnot in a frames space though 09:31:16 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-108.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:18 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 09:31:28 http://code.google.com/p/opensim4opencog/source/browse/trunk/bin/prolog/simulator/cogrobot.pl <- the prlog interface 09:32:39 i suppose the lisp interface will just be the same mapping 09:33:23 but secretly i was hoping a virtual world lisp APi existed that was server neutral 09:34:34 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 09:35:03 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-5.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:35:13 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:08 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #lisp 09:37:20 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:38:30 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 09:38:37 some "unification/prolog package" reminds me of my real total desire.. is to see a database of prolog facts that "are the virtual world" then a list of actions that manipulate that database such that the database is updated atomically 09:39:00 -!- Euthydemus is now known as Euthydemus` 09:39:31 example: at(joe,place1) move(joe1,PLACE).. where move/2 is the action 09:39:45 of course plenty of that does exists as planner domains 09:39:48 JPeterson [~JPeterson@s213-103-209-64.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 09:39:49 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:40:05 but i guess one that is more serious 09:40:07 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 09:40:47 i think what i want is something that some declares is "official way 09:40:48 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 09:42:09 for secondlife i suppose it is just wrapping all the offical methods that peoplke expect ot exist 09:46:44 mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has joined #lisp 09:46:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@88.208.105.6] has quit [Changing host] 09:46:44 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 09:48:38 -!- Kryztof [~user@77-58-246-8.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:49:06 agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:35 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@95-252.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:42 hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.249.217] has joined #lisp 09:55:16 NeedMoreDesu [~user@109.122.0.20] has joined #lisp 10:00:05 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:03:43 dmiles_afk: a friend one mine does this for robots 10:05:13 Don't know your situation. But if you don't mind relocating to Munich and working for university, I know he's looking for people. The system is written in Common Lisp. 10:08:45 TU Munich? 10:09:33 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.194] has joined #lisp 10:10:48 fasta: yeah 10:11:18 tcr1: Schmidthuber? 10:11:37 b_ [~b@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:12:03 fasta: I forgot the Prof's name 10:12:15 tcr1: AFAIK, he runs the robot lab. 10:13:30 fasta: I think the prof changed recently 10:13:42 but there are two robot labs 10:14:23 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:14:52 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:18:40 tcr1: on TUM? 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You should read it if you didn't do it. 11:10:58 hitecnologys: ok. 11:12:28 ai-devel: are you learning from scratch? 11:13:28 ai-devel` [~user@117.219.2.28] has joined #lisp 11:13:39 ai-devel: Also try to read Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming. It's about your nickname. ;) 11:13:58 p_l: Seibel's Practical Common Lisp and Norvig (mentioned above). 11:14:02 ai-devel`:  11:14:20 ai-devel`: Also, Doug Hoyte's Let over Lambda is somewhat enlightening. 11:14:37 (it mentions On Lisp on numerous occasions, too) 11:15:33 -!- ai-devel [~user@117.219.2.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:15:44 ai-devel`: A a side dish  print yourself out the common lisp quick reference. 11:16:05 http://clqr.boundp.org/ 11:16:45 ai-devel`: PCL is really good if you already know how to program in another language. 11:19:29 -!- ai-devel` [~user@117.219.2.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:21:05 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 11:23:38 neena [~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has joined #lisp 11:32:26 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 11:34:01 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 11:34:35 ai-devel [75db06c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.219.6.194] has joined #lisp 11:34:48 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:35:09 So, MySQL and Clisp. Which lib should I use? 11:35:10 this internet connection sucks, let me quickly summarise the suggestions: On Lisp, PAIP, Practical Common Lisp, Doug Hoyte's Let Over Lambda 11:35:23 did i miss any suggestion? 11:35:26 -!- gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:33 I'm reaing PCL atm and I LOVE IT 11:35:34 ai-devel: start with PCL, then probably go with PAIP 11:35:40 fasta: At TUM 11:35:46 PCL is one of the most well written books I've read about programming 11:36:05 also, consider Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation, it got very good explanation of well, symbolic computation :) 11:36:15 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb119-74-178-124.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:36:50 gko [~user@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 11:37:10 so, mysql+clisp? 11:37:19 ok 11:38:13 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:38:45 lifeng [~lifeng@bb121-7-108-184.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 11:39:24 Kryztof [~user@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 11:41:41 -!- ai-devel [75db06c2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.219.6.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:41:42 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:42:37 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:47 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:47:57 -!- r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.127.101.88] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0/20120601045813]] 11:48:28 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52:52 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:55:08 AeroNotix: i have used cl-mysql (http://www.hackinghat.com/index.php/cl-mysql) in the past and it worked well. i have not used clisp, though 11:55:12 AeroNotix: why do you want clisp? 11:55:30 AeroNotix: (cl-mysql should work with clisp in any event) 11:55:33 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890286.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 11:55:56 I am using CLisp as I am reading through PCL and it seems that CLisp is the reference implementation of Lisp 11:56:17 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:57:34 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has joined #lisp 11:58:55 There is no reference implementation of CL. 11:58:57 AeroNotix: it is not "the reference implementation" 11:58:59 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:59:13 But clisp is a good implementation. 11:59:26 right, thanks 12:00:42 For example, I just had a problem with ccl, it kept reporting an error on a progv form that the list I gave is not a proper list of bindable symbols of length < 169. 12:00:50 Could not find what was wrong with my list. 12:01:20 But then I tried to run it in clisp and it gave an error message that clearly stated the problem: some of the symbols were declared defconstant. 12:01:30 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:38 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-249-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:13 b_ [~b@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:05:21 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:05:29 pnq [~nick@ACA274A3.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:05:34 /join programming 12:05:38 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 12:08:58 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:16 I need some help, who knows is it possible to build standalone executable for windows machine on mac os with sbcl? Or better to install windows on virtualbox? 12:11:33 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:57 Posterdati [~tapioca@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:15:25 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-21-100.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:16:58 some people report success by running sbcl/win32 under wine. Either way, sbcl doesn't work as a cross compiler (except when building itself ;). 12:18:12 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-249-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:20:51 -!- antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:23:08 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 12:23:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26:35 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:29 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:28:35 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 12:29:03 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA274A3.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:32:10 OK. Thanks. 12:39:15 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:41:10 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:48:35 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@99.102.73.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:32 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: pa pa] 12:54:16 rootlocus [~rootlocus@124-169-16-50.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 12:54:43 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:14 edgar-rft [~me@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 12:55:20 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 12:56:04 r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.127.101.88] has joined #lisp 13:04:40 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:06:59 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:09:28 Croms [~Croms@dhcp-089-098-010-207.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 13:10:56 I don't have a clue, but I just downloaded iterate and it's acting all funky: `(iter:iter (for elt in list-of-lists) (finding elt maximizing (length elt)))' macroexpands to basically the same as what `(loop (for elt in list-of-lists) (finding elt maximizing (length elt)))' macroexpands to. 13:11:01 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.181.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:12:38 zort-: and that is a problem because....? 13:13:06 -!- Munksgaa1d [~philipm@tyr.diku.dk] has left #lisp 13:13:16 Because it's supposed to macroexpand to some code that finds the longest element, but instead I get "undefined function FOR". 13:13:30 Joreji [~thomas@134.130.165.210] has joined #lisp 13:14:21 Does (iter:iter (iter:for elt iter:in list-of-lists) (iter:finding elt iter:maximizing (length elt))) work? 13:14:36 Yes, thanks! 13:14:47 -!- paidhi [~paidhi@chello084114142063.2.15.vie.surfer.at] has left #lisp 13:14:50 Then it's a bug in iter:iter. 13:14:59 It interns symbols in the wrong package. 13:18:29 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:18:34 -!- specbot [~specbot@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:20:06 -!- agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:21:28 lony [~user@14.97.218.220] has joined #lisp 13:21:51 -!- lony [~user@14.97.218.220] has left #lisp 13:21:56 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@80.137.214.124] has joined #lisp 13:22:23 Guthur [~user@host86-150-157-66.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:31:03 centipedefarmer [~centipede@75-170-150-249.desm.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:55 generally iterate wants to be :used 13:32:23 It's just a bug. 13:44:06 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@122-116-18-21.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 13:46:00 maxm: And import symbols like TERMINATE and WHILE. The latter is neither bound nor fbound but iterate breaks if you define it. 13:47:47 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Quit: cya] 13:49:28 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:17 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@46.233.249.217] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:16 yea iterate kind of screws up there.. 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If _he_ is lisping again, then I figure I should be more active as well :P 16:44:01 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 16:44:28 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:46:16 -!- antonv [d462b8df@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.98.184.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:46:16 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50:03 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 16:50:37 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:35 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:57 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 16:55:09 drewc: link? 16:55:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Pxj5FUHKk 16:56:09 Nisstyre [~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre] has joined #lisp 16:56:29 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:56:42 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.142.160.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:20 which _I_ got from http://www.reddit.com/tb/v4wzt ... so if you want to comment etc, that is not a bad link to do so 16:59:11 jasox_ [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 16:59:15 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:59:39 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-105-25.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:59:42 hi 17:00:14 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:00:18 in a default SBCL setup, shouldn't (eq :foo :FOO) return T? 17:00:28 -!- jasox_ is now known as dmx 17:01:15 wakeup it should, but you probably using custom readtables or named readtables 17:01:38 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA441B6.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01:46 check for (symbol-name :foo) vs (symbol-name :FOO) and (readtable-case *readtable*) 17:01:52 maxm: true named readtables, what could I have done wrong though? the readtable just defines a macro character ([) 17:02:46 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:03:30 I wonder how I accidentally set readtable-case 17:03:32 did you inherited the :standard readtable via (:merge :standard) in your defreadtable statement? 17:03:39 because without that it will create empty readtable 17:05:43 I did 17:05:58 I wasnt able to reproduce it yet either 17:06:40 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-146-93.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:06 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:14 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 17:09:42 *drewc* remembers using [foo] for cl-sql back in the day when I used cl-sql 17:10:24 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890286.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:10:45 hey drewc 17:11:08 how are you doing, im the guy who wants to maintain smug 17:11:18 hey hey wakeup! 17:11:30 sorry for the long silence 17:11:41 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 17:11:57 cool, I like smug, and no worries, I have been silent for a while as well 17:12:03 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 17:12:23 I did do some work on smug 17:12:43 I will complete the documentation and then send it to you for review 17:13:56 basically I did what I told you (splitting of packages) and added some error handling capabilites for binary and character inputs 17:14:31 excellent! I will review the code and docs asap ... I am sure it is good because it needed that kind of work 17:15:36 cool 17:15:45 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:34 -!- dmx [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:26:32 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:26:50 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:32:42 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 17:34:11 mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has joined #lisp 17:35:36 -!- nachtwandler_ [~nachtwand@80.137.192.52] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:36:43 pnq [~nick@ACA2367F.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:37:03 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:31 [SLB] [~slabua@host62-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:37:32 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host62-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 17:37:32 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:39:43 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:42:40 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:43:50 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:44:17 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 17:44:49 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 17:45:02 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 17:46:12 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-4575fc51.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:46:23 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:53 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 17:50:12 -!- Natch| [~Natch|@178.73.212.231] has left #lisp 17:52:10 Natch [~Natch|@178.73.212.231] has joined #lisp 17:56:43 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 17:56:57 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:01:22 kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.241] has joined #lisp 18:01:22 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.241] has quit [Changing host] 18:01:22 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:03:23 is there a virtual world package for commpon lisp (or any thing like alegro)? 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19:27:03 o, drewc 19:27:24 hey hey p_l 19:27:42 long time no see 19:29:15 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-105-25.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29:41 yeah, i have not been around on very much for the past, umm, year or so. I have decided that I need to spend more time here! 19:29:41 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:00 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:30:15 :) 19:31:35 and I just bought a new dedicated server that I will move cl-net and cliki to, and I figure that being around and available will help when I have to make excuses :) 19:35:20 nice 19:36:03 nope 19:36:13 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-115.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:02 -!- shifty [~user@114-198-36-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:43:08 -!- mucker [~mucker@183.83.227.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:44:58 dbushenko [~dim@93.125.19.59] has joined #lisp 19:45:11 are there any benchmarks of hunchentoot? 19:47:17 no 19:47:29 make one yourselfe 19:47:58 I'm too lazy for that :-) 19:48:14 heh ... google for it! 19:48:36 http://myblog.rsynnott.com/2008/05/bechmarking-new-hunchentoot-common-lisp.html 19:48:54 only 4 years old :) 19:48:58 yeah, but that's 0.15 19:49:09 hunchentoot 1.* is a rewrite 19:49:16 true, true 19:50:04 dbushenko: anyway, you don't need benchmarks 19:50:18 drewc, thanks 19:50:24 fe[nl]ix, why? 19:50:25 benchmarks are for overclockers and under-worked CTOs 19:50:43 pnq [~nick@ACA22386.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 19:51:13 benchmarks usually test too specific, small parts 19:51:26 dbushenko: because knowing that a system X performs Y under stress conditions Z is of no use if your specific case is different 19:52:37 fe[nl]ix, yep, but my case is rather simple. Let's say I wanna kind of blogging engine. Such functionality is rather often tested in benchmarks 19:52:54 fe[nl]ix, and, by the way, are you jedi? 19:52:55 ;-) 19:53:07 -!- jasox_ [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:53:30 what ?? 19:53:54 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:02 these are not the benchmarks you are looking for. you may pass. (C) Obi Wan Kenobi 19:55:41 so, test it by benchmarking it. Improve the hunchentoot performance if needed, that will make your blogging engine better!? 19:57:00 no, I just wanted to learn whether I can use hunchentoot in production 19:57:25 I heard, there were some kind of issues with concurrency 19:57:57 drewc, "In any case, I think that these results show that Hunchentoot is very much ready to be used for real, high-traffic sites. " 19:58:02 that's what I needed 19:58:06 :-) 19:58:18 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 19:59:02 ah, you need to read a 4 year old blog rather then test it yourself... makes sense. :) 19:59:19 drewc, :-) I will, I will 19:59:49 by the way, I used clojure so far in production. I did testing for that before introducing clojure to customer 19:59:55 puuh 20:00:10 oh man had to use *terminal-io* instead..... 20:00:49 heh 20:00:51 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA22386.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:38 -!- impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176313909.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:02:17 drewc, just curious: do you use it in production? 20:03:04 impulse [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176313909.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:03:48 Kryztof [~user@77-58-246-8.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:04:31 dbushenko: yes 20:07:30 nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089C034.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:10:02 -!- Joreji [~thomas@134.130.165.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:12:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.140.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:12:57 *drewc* also uses UCW httpd, and a web server he wrote himself, but nowadays prefers hunchentoot 20:14:01 tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 20:14:09 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 20:16:16 wtf 20:16:31 -!- neena [~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:16:35 now i restarted my lisp, and the returning of the second result goes on.... 20:17:39 hola drewc 20:20:15 beslayed [~user@76.237.226.192] has joined #lisp 20:20:20 -!- b_ [~b@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:08 -!- Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:16 tcr1: hola! 20:21:24 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 20:23:20 shit 20:23:28 it's gone! 20:23:33 it's gooooone! 20:23:39 it worked before! 20:23:54 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 20:24:54 drewc: you meant *terminal-io*, but even that does not work here now! 20:25:12 neither using princ or prin1 changes anything... 20:25:41 but it worked for a little time, then restarted my lisp, and now it does not work even with *terminal-io* 20:28:01 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-108.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 20:28:12 I think I found a bug in osicat 20:29:13 (unmerge-pathnames #p"foo/bar" #p"") should not result in an error or should it? 20:32:34 -!- a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:08 Myk267 [~myk@71.149.255.106] has joined #lisp 20:33:34 homie: nope, I definatly meant what I meant... you showed NIL as the output stream 20:34:38 http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_s.htm#stream_designator 20:36:43 homie: the first value is printed by PRINC to the stream, the second value is printed by the P in REPL. If you only want to print to the stream but not return a value then use (progn (princ "hello") (values)). Is that what you want? 20:41:35 a7p [a7p@9.83.238.89.in-addr.arpa.manitu.net] has joined #lisp 20:42:37 (eq nil (values)) => t 20:43:18 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-156-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 20:46:32 ok got it thank you (defun print-rat (x) (let ((*read-eval* nil)) (progn (format *terminal-io* "~%~d~s~d~%" (numer x) '/ (denom x)) (values)))) 20:46:46 bleh 20:48:15 drewc: i was just confused cause changing from *standard-output* to *terminal-io* just worked like what i intended for a little while until i restarted my sbcl.... 20:48:33 don't know why it was..... 20:48:55 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 20:49:57 sabalaba [~Adium@108-252-136-195.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:50:24 -!- sabalaba [~Adium@108-252-136-195.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:51:53 i'm definintely weak with io in general in lisp, don't know why.... 20:52:01 patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 20:52:24 -!- patrickwonders [~patrickwo@user-38q42ns.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:53:11 and now my (print-rat (add-rat one-half one-third)) works like in the sicp examples 20:56:41 -!- mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:44 antonv [5d7d31f9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.249] has joined #lisp 20:57:44 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:21 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.133] has joined #lisp 21:04:16 jasox_ [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 21:08:01 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-233-186.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:32 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-250-181.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:11:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.116.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:00 paultreselli [~paul@ool-4570ef43.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:36 in ccl/emacs/slime I am trying to set a hook to evaluate after compilation. slime-compilation-finished-hook looked promising but executes before the new definitions are active -- any ideas? 21:18:22 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:26 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:28 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:18:33 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:49 yakov [~yakov@128-72-128-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:20:49 Adlai [~adlai@93-173-136-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 21:20:49 -!- Adlai [~adlai@93-173-136-79.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Client Quit] 21:21:03 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:21:28 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 21:24:51 Vivitron: compiling doesn't make the definitions "active". 21:24:54 You have to load for that. 21:25:18 And that's all for Poland :( 21:27:53 Well right now I'm not programming lisp for Poland, but I wouldn't mind doing so. 21:27:58 otwieracz: do you have any lead? 21:28:05 -!- Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:57 Ralith [~ralith@63.64.64.178] has joined #lisp 21:28:59 Any lead? Sorry, I do not understand - what a fucking good advertisement for Poland :) 21:31:04 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 21:31:16 pjb: thanks, with that in mind advising cl:load is giving me some success towards what I want 21:32:36 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-164-31.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:42 otwieracz: What lisp program is a good advertisement for Poland? 21:35:47 Vivitron: slime-load-hook and use C-c C-l 21:36:05 pjb: https://github.com/otwieracz/lisp/tree/master/lbus 21:36:08 clintm [~clintm@66.87.67.20] has joined #lisp 21:36:09 pjb: That's it! 21:36:11 pjb: :> 21:36:12 -!- clintm [~clintm@66.87.67.20] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:35 *otwieracz* will compromise the WHOOOOOLE country. 21:37:22 otwieracz: that's nice, but why don't you use dbus instead? 21:37:31 http://www.cliki.net/CL-DBUS 21:37:55 -!- dbushenko [~dim@93.125.19.59] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:56 pjb: Beucase not to use dbus :) 21:38:09 All right. 21:38:12 pjb: I wanted to do it by myself. 21:38:19 And it works, somehow. 21:38:23 That's a good reason. 21:39:43 *pjb* calls it a day. 21:39:56 clintm [~clintm@66-87-67-20.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:51 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:44:35 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.82.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44:45 pjb: that seems to be a hook that is only called after slime itself is loaded 21:47:53 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-234-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:52:53 -!- sav [~lsd@peirce.xored.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:44 joast [~rick@98.145.85.206] has joined #lisp 21:54:32 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 21:55:21 -!- AeroNotix [~xeno@aeal116.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 21:55:49 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 21:56:05 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:00:50 -!- jasox_ [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:01:27 chu_ [~chu@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 22:02:58 -!- smanek [~smanek@12.235.5.35] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:03:15 -!- Adlai is now known as crickets 22:03:25 -!- crickets is now known as Adlai 22:05:20 sav [~lsd@peirce.xored.org] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:18 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-115.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:15:47 hi Adlai 22:20:59 -!- clintm [~clintm@66-87-67-20.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Quit: clintm] 22:27:40 -!- yakov [~yakov@128-72-128-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:32:50 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 22:37:47 -!- nachtwandler [~nachtwand@p5089C034.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:07 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@175.242.223.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:49:11 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49:53 ISF [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 22:54:08 -!- wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-115.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55:20 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-156-243.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:55:31 yakov [~yakov@128-72-128-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:56:07 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-78-35-53-115.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:59:10 -!- eli is now known as elibarzilay 22:59:53 -!- elibarzilay is now known as eli 23:07:33 -!- DrForr [~jgoff@d149031.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:12:23 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:04 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 23:13:14 MimiEA [~Mimi@66-188-168-128.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 23:14:51 -!- drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:14:58 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:17:41 drdo [~drdo@roach0.drdo.eu] has joined #lisp 23:20:21 I'm going to be in Paris next week. Any lisp hacks interested in getting together for a drink? 23:25:35 Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:27:25 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-39-133.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 23:27:58 -!- paultreselli [~paul@ool-4570ef43.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:07 -!- Mazingaro [~Tetsuja@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:52 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.93.147] has joined #lisp 23:31:32 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:31:39 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:32:02 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 23:32:10 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 23:32:31 tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 23:34:00 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-157-66.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:26 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: (quit)] 23:34:31 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:34:53 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 23:35:01 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-201-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:35:26 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 23:36:14 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Client Quit] 23:36:19 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Client Quit] 23:37:08 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 23:37:37 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Client Quit] 23:39:08 -!- yakov [~yakov@128-72-128-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:40:19 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:38 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 23:44:32 -!- iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 23:44:53 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A2DBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:31 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 23:46:25 (Probably a silly question:) Let's say I want to make two instances of the FOO class, each of whose BAR slots has the other instance as its value. However, the BAR slot of the FOO class doesn't have a writer method. Is this possible? 23:47:05 iimoons [~floomini@static-50-43-21-138.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:46 g'evening. 23:50:43 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:50:43 -!- jnbek [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:50:43 -!- Riviera [~Riviera@92.51.147.16] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:51:32 jnbek [~jnbek@pdpc/supporter/active/jnbek] has joined #lisp 23:51:47 zort- (setf (slot-value .. ) ..)