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[~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has joined #lisp 03:45:27 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 03:45:52 idunnoplz [~fold@99-181-48-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:47:25 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Quit: http://www.cyphase.com/] 03:48:41 code review please for span http://paste.lisp.org/display/129974 . (span #'evenp '(2 4 6 1 4 5 6 7 8 9)) -> ((2 4 6) (1 4 5 6 7 8 9)) 03:50:35 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@186.220.5.148] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:51:00 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:51:43 ski [~ski@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 03:51:57 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.46.98] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57:33 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@199.180.99.220] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:58:46 idunnoplz: what does span /do/ ? What's its intention? You're missing a docstring. :P 03:58:48 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.90.186] has joined #lisp 04:01:15 -!- drumond19 [~drumond19@186.214.72.121] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:28 pnathan it goes until function returns nil, (span #'evenp '(2 4 6 1 4 5 6 7 8 9)) => ((2 4 6) (1 4 5 6 7 8 9)) 04:02:53 Yeah. what's the point of it? 04:03:41 By which I mean: comment plz 04:03:45 (or docstring) 04:04:02 (why would you want to call span? ) 04:04:09 idunnoplz: so it goes. 04:04:16 idunnoplz: I'm happy it goes so. 04:04:42 idunnoplz: but without a docstring giving the specifications of the function, there cannot exist any bug. 04:04:54 not even efficiency "bugs". 04:05:32 I wish to be a little girl 04:05:37 idunnoplz: explaining what it does (what the code means) is no good either. If it did something else, we'd explain something else, and won't be more advanced. 04:05:44 idunnoplz: Please go to #morons. 04:06:11 Ooookay. Seconding Zhivago. 04:06:21 idunnoplz: well, that's a specification. Now what's your age, height, and look at what's between your legs. Do that correspond to the "little girl" stereotype? If no, you have a bug to correct. 04:06:42 -!- foom [jknight@nat/google/x-mkwgrwgfondeygqn] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:07:23 but what if I want to split a list based so long as a predicate is true? 04:07:37 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:07:49 Then you could write a function implementing that specification. 04:08:07 and then you could write test cases. 04:08:15 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 04:08:21 and then you could write proof that your function fulfill the specification. 04:08:24 etc. 04:08:28 You could do things. 04:08:40 But just writing a function without a docstring doesn't do anything. 04:08:41 I'm used to perl, we don't document things. I just want it to work once and then I'll use my imagination as to how it works if I ever try to modify it 04:09:04 idunnoplz: What does 'work' mean? 04:09:07 I have written 1000s of lines of Perl, if I didn't document, I got beat up by angry old programmers. 04:09:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.17.201] has joined #lisp 04:09:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.17.201] has quit [Changing host] 04:09:17 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 04:09:21 idunnoplz: Is your question "does this code do what this code does?" 04:09:36 So far, that's his question, yes. 04:09:45 Then the answer is "yes". 04:09:51 Have a nice day. 04:10:37 They really need to add a mandatory class on "how not to be a moron" in schools. 04:11:03 Yes, schools are badly deficient nowdays. 04:14:39 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.140.249.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:15:19 -!- arrsim [~user@128.250.116.167] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:16:22 HMWZ [~AndChat@38.sub-174-230-193.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 04:17:04 -!- antgreen [~user@70.50.67.108] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:17:27 idunnoplz: also, you need to work on your specification skills. What does "split a list" mean? What does "so long as a predicate is true" means? What does "split  based so long " mean? 04:18:01 idunnoplz: my advice would be to give the specifications in terms of pre- and post-conditions. 04:18:08 DataLinkDroid [~David@110.145.65.155] has joined #lisp 04:18:36 #emacs rewrote http://paste.lisp.org/display/129974#2 04:18:49 arrsim [~user@128.250.116.167] has joined #lisp 04:19:19 Still no specification, so same answer: YES. (or as I said, works for me (I don't know what it should do, but it definitely does something)). 04:19:33 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 04:19:34 idunnoplz: without a specification, we cannot write a test case. 04:19:53 It splits list while predicate is true 04:20:03 This doesn't mean anything. 04:20:14 Furthermore, it's not in the right place. It should be in the docstring. 04:20:23 Splits? pops off the first element? splits list after the predicate fails? 04:20:58 Your example does not seem to involve splitting. 04:21:02 -!- dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has quit [Quit: dreish] 04:21:27 User530-207-9476 [~BrandonKi@76.250.251.129] has joined #lisp 04:21:43 If we take the dictionnary definition of split, the only reasonable interpretation would be indeed a destructive modification of the cdr of a cons cell. 04:21:46 partitions the list into pair based until first fail 04:22:18 stlifey_ [~stlifey@116.26.31.249] has joined #lisp 04:22:20 Does it create a new pair for each head? 04:22:56 -!- User530-207-9476 [~BrandonKi@76.250.251.129] has quit [K-Lined] 04:23:07 Well, it's mostly gibberish. idunnoplz are you a native English speaker? 04:23:28 It might be the hormones he is taking. 04:23:30 either foreign or retarded? 04:23:40 idunnoplz: there are a few #lisp channels in other languages, such as #lisp-fr, #lisp-es, etc. 04:23:50 Zhivago: :-) 04:25:01 -!- stlifey [~stlifey@116.26.21.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:25:41 It 04:25:48 It's thundering hard 04:26:27 idunnoplz: I am fairly sure I grasp what you want to do, but you have several issues in your code. First, you don't specify what has to happen - your language is imprecise (c.f. pjb's comments). Second, your variable names are way too short and non-descriptive. Third, you are recursing, for no reason I can particularly tell. Fourth, you don't need to use progn, let has an implicit progn. 04:26:55 That's my code review. 04:27:18 Also, I'd like to point out that you're acting very silly, and that's really not improving anyone's willingness to help. 04:27:22 the progn is for the if 04:28:11 (if cond (let  ) (other-action)) is legal. 04:28:31 You don't need to wrap the let in a progn. 04:29:19 Note that let is a singular form in your case. If you had multiple forms for the true condition, progn would be indicated (or using cond). 04:29:22 let has an implicit progn, iirc 04:29:37 ah 04:30:16 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 04:32:39 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1903.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:33:44 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 04:33:50 User530-207-9476 [~Arlington@75.39.140.115] has joined #lisp 04:36:31 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:38:28 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 04:43:47 JuanCarlos of Freenode and [[Wikipedia:User:Killiondude|Killiondude]] of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Killiondude Wikipedia] is Brandon Killion. His personal cell # is: (530) 207-9476. 04:43:50 His Twitter is http://twitter.com/#!/btothekdude 04:43:51 His dad is: 04:43:56
Jim D Killion 04:43:57
(530) 669-5708 04:43:59
248 Arlington Cir 04:44:02
Woodland, CA 95695-2878 04:44:04 Mom is Rhonda, and a brother is Seth. 04:44:05 His house is worth about $153,000. 04:44:08 Moreover, he likes to really piss off IP users for things that wouldn't even faze other admins. 04:44:10 ==Other lives of Brandon Killion== 04:44:11 His dad is a pastor at a megachurch also in Woodland. [http://www.cotrwoodland.org/about-us This is their "About Us" page, and Killiondude is one of the boys in the picture. He's either the tallest or the second-tallest.] 04:44:14 He may be a pastor's kid, but acts nothing like a real christian on Wikipedia and Freenode. 04:44:17 His dad also owns and runs the "Lord's Gym" in the same town, and their equipment seems badass. 04:44:17 KindOne [KindOne@colchester-lug/silly-fool/donut] has joined #lisp 04:44:18 ==Killiondude's house== 04:44:20 [http://maps.google.com/maps?q=248+Arlington+Cir+Woodland,+CA%09+95695-2878&hl=en&ll=38.68896,-121.76656&spn=0.016062,0.010214&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=65.302917,41.835938&hnear=248+Arlington+Cir,+Woodland,+California+95695&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.689956,-121.767967&panoid=FMYJEbVmMvkHI6GWOFizHw&cbp=12,71.85,,0,10.77 His house appears to be some McMansion in a suburb, with a basketball stand and some trailer right behind it.] 04:44:21 . hello, can we get this guy banned? 04:44:27 (User530-207-9476, I mean) 04:44:28 Sorry to say, but just from the looks of things, Brandon may be spoiled rotten, hence he seems to think pretty little of lowly IP users like the bunch of us. 04:44:30 ==Insight on this pastor's kid== 04:44:33 A trusted, undercover associate has stated that: 04:44:34
''I think you would be surprised at how atypical the "typical" pastor's kid actually is.'' 04:44:36
''~10% are goody two shoes that everyone hates'' 04:44:38
''~60% you wouldn't know they were different from any other kids'' 04:44:41
''~30% are asshole rebels determined to distance themselves from the PK stereotype as much as possible''
04:44:55 pnathan, that asshole admin of Wikipedia has been made transparent. He can no longer hide behind an anonymity shield. 04:45:36 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o p_l 04:45:38 -!- p_l has set mode +b *!*Arlington@75.39.140.* 04:45:39 -!- User530-207-9476 [~pl@089-101-219086.ntlworld.ie] has been kicked from #lisp by p_l (User530-207-9476) 04:45:47 sorry for being late 04:46:00 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o p_l 04:46:31 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 04:46:32 np, ty 04:46:40 p_l: now your lateness is recorded in the two public logs forever! 04:51:24 60 seconds is late?? :) 04:52:09 my mom said i was born late 04:54:46 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-42-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 04:55:05 DataLinkDroid: well, he managed to spam the channel 04:55:35 *p_l* needs to add some scripting to his /kb 04:56:06 *DataLinkDroid* thinks that could be a good idea :) 04:56:29 Normally I have to re-arm it first 04:56:41 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:57:36 we appear to have a troll problem too ;) 04:58:01 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 04:59:14 If I tried to kick trolls, I'd be quickly on the path to abusing my OP permission 05:00:33 It's funnier when you turn the troll's prompt into serious discussion, too (remember teledildonics?) 05:02:11 sykopomp` [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 05:02:45 p_l: yeah, and sometimes there are those who are naturally trolls and unaware of it... ;) no i don't recall teledildonics, which might be a good thing :) 05:02:48 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 05:05:22 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:05:25 evening 05:05:47 benny [~benny@i577A1A16.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 05:06:15 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 05:06:21 ungodly morning to you too 05:07:15 good afternoon! :) 05:07:35 -!- spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@unaffiliated/spacefrogg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:08:49 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 05:11:18 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 05:11:50 nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has joined #lisp 05:13:22 dkt63 [~dt@203.39.205.3] has joined #lisp 05:16:46 spacefrogg^ [~spacefrog@141.76.92.5] has joined #lisp 05:17:55 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 05:19:06 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-64.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:21:07 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 05:21:51 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:21:53 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 05:22:02 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:25:38 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 05:25:57 Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has joined #lisp 05:27:44 Guest62668 [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has joined #lisp 05:35:18 -!- idunnoplz [~fold@99-181-48-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37:06 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 05:37:27 Something I am not 100% clear on - does DEFSTRUCT allow specialization on type with DEFMETHOD? 05:37:43 Yes. 05:37:57 Try (class-of my-instance) 05:38:44 Generic functions dispatch upon class (or eql). 05:39:09 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 05:41:26 -!- X-Scale [name@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:41:34 Ok 05:41:37 Thanks. 05:41:46 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:41:46 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Client Quit] 05:42:04 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:42:10 Ah. There's also an error in your question -- defmethod does not specialize on types. 05:42:11 pnathan: more precisely, defstruct defines a class. 05:42:25 unless you use (:type vector) or (:type list) of course. 05:42:39 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:43:23 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:44:34 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 05:44:44 X-Scale [name@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 05:44:55 Zhivago: If I read the hyperspec correctly, defmethod specializes on classes or an eql-specializer form. Am I to understand that a class is not considered a type? 05:45:05 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 05:45:19 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:45:43 I've generally considered classes to be a user-defined type by and large. 05:45:59 Yes. A class is not a type, but for a given class there will be a corresponding type. 05:46:20 A class is an object that describes how instances of that class are implemented. 05:46:27 so Class -> Types is an injection. 05:46:29 A type is a set of potential objects. 05:46:38 Consider the type (or string integer). 05:46:55 How would that make sense as class? 05:47:45 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:48:17 *pnathan* nods 05:48:19 -!- victor_lowther [~victor.lo@adsl-99-41-71-126.dsl.aus2tx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:48:20 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.29.6] has joined #lisp 05:48:25 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 05:49:08 I think that understanding classes as descriptive, rather than prescriptive can help. 05:50:23 idunnoplz [~fold@99-181-48-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 05:50:59 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping 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#lisp 07:21:18 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-37-187.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:21:35 Could anyone help me? I have mac os x 10.8 and sbcl 1.0.55 installed via brew. When I'm trying to run sbcl from emacs to use it with slime it runs OK but then I get "Error opening /dev/tty: Device not configured". What's wrong? 07:22:25 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@110.145.65.155] has quit [Quit: Bye] 07:22:35 what do you mean by "runs OK" and what is "I get"? 07:22:44 -!- dkt63 [~dt@203.39.205.3] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120420145725]] 07:23:47 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:23:51 By runs OK I mean that I get no errors, by i get I mean that it returns an message to me and then throws me into ldb. 07:24:00 Sorry for my bad English. =( 07:25:02 mrSpec [~Spec@89-159-1-27.rev.dartybox.com] has joined #lisp 07:25:02 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-159-1-27.rev.dartybox.com] has quit [Changing host] 07:25:03 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:25:11 i'm confused, you write you get no errors but then you write it crashes. when does it crash? what did you type between it "ran OK" and it "crashes into ldb"? 07:25:17 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:25:38 Aw, sorry. It crashes when I'm trying to use eldoc. 07:26:15 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-zpvwtokvhrnjuetd] has joined #lisp 07:26:15 This is my .emacs file: http://pastebin.com/PAigyqnE 07:27:31 -!- jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:49 But I think the problem is in the sbcl, yeah? 07:28:11 i don't use eldoc, osx 10.8 or brew, but paste the contents of your *inferior-lisp* buffer, maybe someone else recognizes the problem. also, you could try checking out sbcl from git and build it yourself to see whether the problem is fixed in a newer version. 07:28:19 jayne [~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne] has joined #lisp 07:28:35 OK, let's try. 07:29:54 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:30:22 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 07:31:56 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Client Quit] 07:32:10 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 07:33:34 -!- kiuma 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Another day, I have pasted the iolib.os stack (waiting in SB-PCL:STREAM-READH-CHAR ):http://paste.lisp.org/display/129966#7 . Netstat for ssh shows connection in Recv-q = 0 and Send-Q = 0 and connection in ESTABLISHED 09:15:25 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:28 -!- dbushenko [~dim@86.57.253.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:18:19 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:59 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 09:19:13 After some time, Recv-Q becomes 1 and connection status CLOSE_WAIT 09:21:41 what kind of buffering is it using? 09:22:54 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 09:23:40 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 09:25:27 code does force-output, internally no idea: http://paste.lisp.org/display/129966#8 09:26:25 This code works for fe[nl]ix but not for me 09:27:44 ps shows ssh attached to pts/1 device 09:29:40 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-61-234.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 09:31:04 tcr1 [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 09:31:07 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:31:44 varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has joined #lisp 09:31:54 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host109-155-129-71.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:33:18 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:33:20 kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-fecdxhiacxzivtsh] has joined #lisp 09:33:20 -!- kushal [kdas@nat/redhat/x-fecdxhiacxzivtsh] has quit [Changing host] 09:33:20 kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 09:33:50 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:34:13 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-xdyazswchwdoauat] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:34:45 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl22-202-74.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 09:35:23 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 09:38:47 It does seem buffering issue, as I put in debugging print statements, and they reach the loop read-line instantly. It should have wait for some network lag and password login 09:39:05 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:39:12 (force-output input) seems ineffective 09:39:45 gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #lisp 09:41:28 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 09:43:18 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 24.1.1] 09:44:12 have you tried finish-output instead? 09:44:36 -!- BeLucid_ [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:53 -!- nipra [~nipra@61.12.27.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44:54 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 09:45:53 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:46:46 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 09:47:03 yes, was trying that now, same , my sbcl is : This is SBCL 1.0.55.0.debian, 09:50:17 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:51:18 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:51:35 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:52:00 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-zpxcossdbaefxhdi] has joined #lisp 09:54:27 tcpdump shows that sbcl does not do anything at all on call of the function 09:54:50 but when it reaches readline in the loop it sends all the chunk accumulated then on the interface 09:56:36 nipra [~nipra@125.20.84.54] has joined #lisp 09:56:55 b_: i don't have a real solution, but a question that might help you further: are you actually interested in dealing with ptys? if not, consider using public key authentication with ssh. then, use a passwordless key to remove the need to send a password to the ssh connection. 09:57:15 b_: bidirectional subprocess communication is always difficult, prone to deadlock and best avoided. 09:58:13 H4ns: or ssh-agent. 09:58:36 -!- Dunrong [~user@119.255.44.227] has left #lisp 09:58:38 pkhuong: or that, if the program is used interactively. 10:01:31 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has joined #lisp 10:01:39 H4ns: agreed, i am pursuing this though as *i think* this approach is more orthogonal (I keep reading this word in lisp books)/general than going into ssh specific solution. On top of it fe[nl]ix already has it working! 10:01:48 -!- mvilleneuve_ [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:01:49 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:02:13 albertlee [~albertlee@59.108.40.194] has joined #lisp 10:02:23 b_: orthogonal and general do not have the same meaning. 10:02:47 yes, but I hope you see what I mean 10:03:24 b_: not really. i'd avoid the whole thing in the sake of robustness. 10:05:19 Yes, I think you have been there done that, while I have a side goal of learning all along, and I learn most when I discover how little i know 10:05:46 OT, test 10:06:05 b_: i'm just trying to spare you spending time on something that you'll liketly find to be a dead end. but i'll end right here. 10:07:40 H4ns: probably and thanks, I wont spend more than today on it, but it cant be a dead end if you take into consideration my side goal (as i have learned somethings) 10:07:44 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:08:25 -!- Guest62668 [~ivan@201.82.158.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:10:38 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:11:28 :) Good news , I made it work 10:11:54 stupidly though, I put sleep of 3 seconds in between each interaction :D 10:12:24 \o/ 10:12:25 less should work too 10:12:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:13:51 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:15:06 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 10:15:47 1 doesnt 2 does :) 10:16:50 so, it's non-deterministic 10:17:00 have you tried waiting for the password prompt? 10:18:55 I miss the question. 10:19:01 You are right, I only need to sleep for password prompt, i removed other sleeps and it still works 10:19:29 i meant actually waiting for it, not sleeping 10:19:46 stassats: sorry..how? 10:19:53 It's a block operate. 10:20:14 block for waiting password, not sleep, right? 10:20:35 b_: iomux:wait-until-fd-ready might work 10:21:55 what about reading from wherever the password prompt should be printed? 10:22:57 jjkola_work [c064782a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.120.42] has joined #lisp 10:24:51 b_: I retried and it worked only because I had an ssh client connected to that machine, and it didn't ask the password 10:25:50 or just write cl-expect 10:25:51 the weird thing is that the pty appears to be the subprocess's controlling terminal, yet when ssh opens /dev/tty and I write to the pty it doesn't work 10:26:26 expect , yes. 10:30:42 fe[nl]ix: how to get the fd of iolib.os:process-stdin? 10:31:27 for trying wait-until-fd-ready 10:31:46 read-line already does that 10:31:47 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:31:49 well, peek-char could accomplish the same thing 10:32:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 10:32:40 the password prompt doesn't usually contain a newline character 10:33:05 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 10:38:03 stassats: thanks for reminding me, that's what I was missing 10:38:04 lol 10:38:29 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 10:42:26 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 10:50:02 -!- ``Erik_ is now known as ``Erik 10:52:35 -!- hitecnologys1 [~No_Name@46.233.214.154] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:55:46 wait for fd ready works for password but I still have to sleep for other interaction, otherwise it quickly skips to read loop and prints the success login message, instead of the output of ls command 10:56:23 if I do fd ready check for those interactions instead of sleep, the call never returns 10:56:51 -!- nha_ [~prefect@koln-5d819d07.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:59:08 b_: you need to wait for something that signifies the end of the ls output, like the prompt. 11:01:09 ah, understand. 11:01:11 or SIGCHLD? 11:01:48 it's not quite on topic, but I spent a little bit of time getting to know emacs' handling of processes (specifically, using a process-sentinel to defer work until after a long-running process finishes) 11:01:58 that was quite nice. (The lack of lexical binding wasn't) 11:02:16 SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-198-83.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:02:30 Kryztof: ie write handlers in CPS? 11:02:44 -!- SeanTAllen [~SeanTAlle@cpe-98-14-198-83.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:03:04 that sounds sophisticated and computer sciency 11:03:20 so, maybe, but if so only by accident 11:03:22 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-audbjvkkummombkk] has joined #lisp 11:04:04 b_: http://paste.lisp.org/+2SA6/9 11:04:44 Kryztof: 'sok, that's also how javascript does it ;) 11:06:22 the trick with ptys is to block on each step, because data written to the pty before the peer starts reading will be discarded 11:07:31 edgar-rft [~me@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:07:54 fe[nl]ix: aha? 11:07:55 fe[nl]ix: this code is wow! spending time understanding it, heap big thanks! 11:08:14 -!- antifuchs [foobar@care.boinkor.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:08:16 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 11:10:04 antifuchs [foobar@care.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 11:11:34 H4ns: actually, I'm not sure it's ssh that does it or pyts in general, but if I write the password without reading first the "user@host's password: ", then it doesn't work 11:12:03 fe[nl]ix: readpw() flushes the input before reading to prevent you from starting to type before the echo is off. 11:12:34 fe[nl]ix: it is an educational device only :) 11:13:13 -!- ur5us [~ur5us@121-98-128-74.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:13:45 Guest62668 [~ivan@143.106.196.15] has joined #lisp 11:15:33 getpass, not readpw 11:15:36 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:18:38 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host109-155-129-71.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ceti331_] 11:18:49 i'm looking at this http://paste.lisp.org/display/129978 error and i don't know how to debug it. suggestions? 11:18:54 -!- b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:20:08 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 11:20:15 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 11:20:18 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:20:44 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 11:21:55 recompile with more debug? 11:22:40 -!- galdor_ is now known as galdor 11:22:54 stassats: i had hoped that (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 2) would do all that is needed? 11:24:54 it would 11:25:14 well, then what's left is "think hard" 11:25:22 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 11:25:35 \o/ 11:26:51 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.33.248] has joined #lisp 11:27:37 oh yeah... issues with backtraces and two-arg-foo functions. 11:31:45 VieiraN [~vieiran@177.103.136.5] has joined #lisp 11:32:20 H4ns: is it executing any requests? 11:34:24 -!- VieiraN [~vieiran@177.103.136.5] has quit [Client Quit] 11:34:40 VieiraN [~vieiran@177.68.152.157] has joined #lisp 11:36:24 -!- limetree [~ircuser@li147-249.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:09 limetree [~ircuser@li147-249.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 11:37:30 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 11:38:50 stassats: what do you mean by "it"? 11:39:03 whatever you have there 11:39:44 yeah, sure, it works for a long while and then signals the error. and the error only occurs when i'm running it with the large expected result set 11:40:07 and that call-with-connection is around a big chunk of code, so basically, i have no backtrace at all. 11:40:09 *sigh* 11:40:26 -!- VieiraN [~vieiran@177.68.152.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:41:09 sounds like fun debugging 11:41:19 [SLB] [~slabua@host137-53-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:41:19 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host137-53-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 11:41:19 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 11:42:39 might have a fix. 11:42:48 technically, I think for good backtraces you want not just (> debug 1), but actually (> debug (max 1 speed space)). While that may be given in your case anyway, I think it's worth pointing out, because r-c-p cannot enforce it. 11:43:03 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-64.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:44:27 lichtblau: sadly, it is in fact given in my case 11:45:12 good thing then that pkhuong is on it! 11:45:21 :) 11:45:44 lichtblau: the problem is that we don't set up call frames before two-arg-foo. 11:46:21 We could try and fake one up when debug is high enough, but I think we can smarten up the backtracer just enough. 11:46:35 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:24 ignas [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has joined #lisp 11:51:06 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:51:47 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-11.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:52:11 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:52:43 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:52:53 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:53:40 -!- free_thinker [~willijar@134.151.144.246] has left #lisp 11:54:56 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:56:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:57:31 dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 11:57:51 Vutral [ss@mirbsd/special/Vutral] has joined #lisp 11:59:35 -!- antonv [2e35c32a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.42] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:59:56 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:04:20 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:04:34 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:04:35 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 12:04:35 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 12:05:46 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A547.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:08:03 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 12:08:55 b_: everything ok ? 12:09:07 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:10:00 pnq [~nick@AC82653A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:10:44 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 12:13:36 what? 12:14:39 no, too hairy for this afternoon. 12:15:10 pkhuong: thanks for trying. meanwhile i've found the culprit. 12:15:17 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:17:49 fe[nl]ix: I had gone for lunch basking in happiness, now will play around 12:22:09 I'm writing a program, for processing log data. 12:22:48 -!- naiv_ [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-175-87.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:23:52 b_: thanks, btw. this experience gave me a few ideas on how to improve iolib.os:create-process :) 12:24:34 arrsim [~user@2001:44b8:415c:cc01:a800:4ff:fe00:a04] has joined #lisp 12:24:42 naiv [~quassel@AAnnecy-552-1-158-32.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:25:01 -!- arrsim [~user@2001:44b8:415c:cc01:a800:4ff:fe00:a04] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:18 -!- sykopomp` is now known as sykopomp 12:26:43 cool! 12:27:18 albertlee: I would be getting around to doing that too soon. this whole ssh thing was to analyse a remote server through lisp 12:28:17 b_: H4ns's advice still stands: use a password-less key to avoid all this 12:28:28 pnq1 [~nick@ACA21164.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:28:38 I wrote a program, using ssh for remote control. And it has run for a year. (but it has been replaced by some other guys :( 12:28:49 agreed, thats the practical way 12:29:03 -!- pnq [~nick@AC82653A.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:29:06 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 12:29:18 albertlee: you used key files i assume? :) 12:29:33 YES. 12:29:41 heheh ok! 12:29:50 It simplified the question. 12:31:35 Joreji_ [~thomas@74-098.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:32:20 My environment is: Linux, SBCL, slime, quicklisp, etc. And I usually connect to a remote living lisp process, and develop codes online.... 12:32:28 Is this too wired? 12:32:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:34:23 albertlee: no, that's what most people here use 12:34:49 :) 12:36:37 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@74-098.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:38:13 Joreji_ [~thomas@95-251.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:40:11 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:41:35 ssh sb-ext:run-program version now also works retrofitted with changes of iolibs version :) 12:41:35 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.90.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:35 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.90.186] has joined #lisp 12:43:10 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 12:43:26 -!- ozialien_ [~ozi@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: ozialien_] 12:43:43 oh no, it complains about ask-pass and lists local directory! sorry 12:45:07 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 12:45:09 *chuckle* 12:46:30 (sb-ext:process-pty conn) 12:46:40 idunnoplz [~fold@99-181-48-105.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:46:46 I'm reading my code. 12:47:41 -!- brendyn [brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:05 brendyn [brendyn@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:65b4] has joined #lisp 12:49:15 oh, I have a problem: SBCL 1.0.57 cannot compile on my Mac 10.7. 12:49:44 It complains somewhat glib version? 12:50:01 fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.75.149] has joined #lisp 12:50:11 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 12:50:22 albertlee: post the error message to lisppaste 12:51:23 -!- b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:52:39 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-37-187.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:05 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 12:53:07 ok, i'm make.sh it now. 12:55:00 fantazo_ [~fantazo@91.119.112.29] has joined #lisp 12:56:36 jimmy1980 [~jimmy@123.130.55.178] has joined #lisp 12:56:45 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 12:56:53 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.75.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:48 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 13:01:06 Croms [~Croms@dhcp-089-098-010-207.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 13:01:16 how do I get address to the lisp object? I only need it to print the value in print-object 13:01:45 sezo: can't you use print-unreadable-object? 13:02:01 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:04:14 I don't think so. I wanted to do some thing like this (format stream "#" (foo-name obj)
) 13:04:48 and you can't use print-unreadable-object because? 13:04:55 sezo: That is basically exactly what print-unreadable-object does. 13:06:14 ok thanks, ill check CLHS 13:07:45 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:07:54 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:08:38 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.90.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:00 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.195] has joined #lisp 13:12:07 -!- zanoni_ is now known as zanoni 13:13:48 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:13:48 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 13:14:09 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:15:40 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@h081217030118.dyn.cm.kabsi.at] has joined #lisp 13:15:42 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host109-155-129-71.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 13:16:14 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-248-158.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:17:41 fe[nl]ix: just for my understanding: you used with-open-stream only so to close the proc as proc is process not a stream but closeable..? 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14:08:49 not lispy but ooh, russia doing well in google code jam: http://www.go-hero.net/jam/12/regions 14:09:53 Dodek: beginner here, If you are really after frameworks then bknr and really really then weblocks 14:10:06 Dodek: I think weblocks has the most users, but caveman would probably be more familiar to you if you're coming from the rails world, and restas is being used as well. 14:10:11 otherwise use macro stuff and hunchentoot to do your own 14:10:36 Fade: i don't come from rails world. weblocks you say, hmm, thanks 14:10:42 b_: bknr? 14:11:17 Dodek: http://bknr.net/html/home.html (i havent used it myself but docs look good) 14:11:23 from the belin lisp meetup announcement, it sounds like Marco Barringer is going to be speaking to the web subject. 14:11:24 __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.40.243] has joined #lisp 14:11:36 I hope the talk gets captured. :) 14:12:04 -!- __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.40.243] has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:19 weblocks is supercool if you are happy to live in weblocks world (i was not) 14:13:47 H4ns: how much would it cost to hire somebody to record the talk ? 14:15:23 Guest62668 [~ivan@143.106.196.15] has joined #lisp 14:16:47 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:17:55 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@c9063460.virtua.com.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19:11 -!- jimmy1980 [~jimmy@123.130.55.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:21:22 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-zpvwtokvhrnjuetd] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:54 Dodek: I almost read "I am not of this world" :) 14:22:03 phadthai: haha. 14:27:54 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 14:29:49 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@95-251.eduroam.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:13 Does anyone here use cl-clickatell or some other package to send sms messages? 14:30:15 Marco's slime movie was what got me into lisp for real. 14:30:44 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:48 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:25 mthk [803e5568@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.62.85.104] has joined #lisp 14:43:17 -!- mthk [803e5568@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.62.85.104] has quit [Client Quit] 14:43:54 Fade: link? 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I was impressed; prior to seeing that movie I had read ANSI Common Lisp by Graham, but I had read it as a curiosity, not realising that lisp was a viable option. 14:53:35 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:53:49 Well, Graham's book is also something I have a grudge against :-) 14:53:56 It contains too many errors. 14:54:14 it was 'good enough' as a starting point to figure out what was what 14:54:23 as they say, close enough for rock and roll. 14:54:37 this was prior to PCL being available. 14:54:43 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA21164.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:54:45 minion: please tell Fade about slime.mov 14:54:45 Fade: please see slime.mov: "using SLIME" video by Marco Baringer, http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 14:54:45 As for books, I don't think there is any doubt that the Gigamonkey book is the best one right now. 14:55:04 j_king: ^^^ that link is good 14:55:11 excellent. 14:56:15 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #lisp 14:56:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-60-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:58:41 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: #yhiselamu | www.yhiselamu.ee (EOF)] 14:59:11 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-60-48.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 15:04:43 -!- ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:04:59 -!- Guest62668 [~ivan@143.106.196.15] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:10:31 foom [jknight@nat/google/x-viftgqncfdpybzsn] has joined #lisp 15:16:02 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:16:29 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:19:29 flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@186.192.87.33] has joined #lisp 15:19:47 aceluck [~aceluck@123.136.106.116] has joined #lisp 15:20:20 mrdtt [~mrdtt@115.73.13.81] has joined #lisp 15:21:24 kami```` [~user@p57A2B979.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:23:09 -!- kami``` [~user@p57A2D934.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:25:08 coming from lisp, i realize just how much better enyojs could have been if javascript would have been common lisp. 15:25:15 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:26:46 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-78-2-27.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:26:54 Everything would be better if there was only one language for everything. 15:27:32 gko: no. 15:27:39 Everything would be better if there was only lisp for everything. 15:27:51 that was implied. 15:28:15 Have been just learning myself some Erlang, the syntax is horrible. 15:28:19 On VogonSphere, there's one language for everything: COBOL. 15:30:39 gko: no, the thing is not /one/ language. the thing is a lot of my problems would simply g o a w a y 15:30:56 gko, there is also "lisp flavoured erlang" and "erlang in lisp" 15:31:08 neither of which are very interesting. 15:31:12 I would rather write Lisp. 15:31:14 *madnificent* couldn't care less if it was named forualekaotkoetnmkncub instead of lisp 15:31:30 sykopomp: you should finish your erlang lib! 15:32:01 madnificent: it's making a lot of progress. Once I've improved the supervisor a bit, I think I'd be comfortable using it. 15:32:42 The core parts (signaling, monitoring, linking, debugging) are already in place. 15:33:12 and I already have a gen_server clone I'm happy-ish with :) 15:33:50 sykopomp: also, you've used chillax intensively, right? 15:34:31 I was using it. Then I stopped because I stopped liking couchdb :< 15:34:36 LoL 15:34:39 Ended up switching to pomo. 15:34:40 wai? 15:35:19 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has left #lisp 15:35:36 it's a pain in the ass to work with, that's why. It's really not very easy to do even relatively simple things, compared to how easy it is to work with pomo once you've become even marginally familiar with SQL. 15:35:49 -!- kushal [kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:36:03 Also, no transactions or uniqueness constraints pretty much killed it for me. 15:36:30 and the only approximation of uniqueness constraints involves ugly hacks using _id. 15:36:36 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.94.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:38:15 do you have an article about pomo somewhere so i can evaluate it? also, some of the motivation for using chillax is because i don't feel like setting up an sql server (yes, i'm that lazy) 15:38:22 (not that i dislike sql) 15:40:00 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:41 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:40:43 aside from that one pointless blog post about pivot tables, not really. 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(i think the slime repl is matching the close-paren against my history)... any fixes? 18:22:37 i don't use paredit at the repl 18:23:59 iirc Paredit doesn't use M-p by default 18:24:17 daimrod: that's not the problem 18:24:59 why? slime-repl-previous-input is bound to M-p by default 18:25:04 robot-beethoven: yes, paredit at the repl is not a good idea, because nothing prevents a program to output unbalanced parentheses. 18:25:12 a) this, and b) that. 18:25:13 so it should work unless he binds it to something else 18:25:24 daimrod: that's not the problem 18:25:48 doh I should read the sentence until the end 18:25:53 paredit deactivates itself when there are unbalanced parenthesis, IIRC. 18:26:12 pjb: a proper fix would include only scanning the current prompt 18:26:24 -!- stokachu [~zef@50.58.87.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:26:28 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host109-155-129-71.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ceti331_] 18:26:49 it could just search for up to (point) 18:26:51 indeed, a special case for REPL. 18:27:30 I thought that was what it did, and the problem with paredit was that RET would always send off the expression 18:27:55 you can use C-j 18:27:58 i use C-j anyway 18:29:00 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.59.26] has joined #lisp 18:29:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.59.26] has quit [Changing host] 18:29:01 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 18:29:36 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host109-155-129-71.range109-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:30:57 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:31:38 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:31:47 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:31:56 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 18:32:25 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.138.106.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: paul0] 18:33:40 okay, disabled paredit at the repl... wish i had known this before spending time to get paredit's backspace working in it! 18:33:45 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 18:34:00 just write less complex code in the repl 18:34:20 and use *slime-scratch* instead 18:34:28 Just use C-x C-e or C-u C-x C-e in a .lisp buffer. 18:34:55 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 18:35:31 -!- pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:35:50 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:36:37 alvis```` [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:25 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:05 -!- alvis``` [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:39:06 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 18:40:27 *robot-beethoven* is just discovering *slime-scratch*, and noticing how every day with lisp, his workflow becomes more efficient 18:42:30 robot-beethoven: start with some data: (let ((a 42) (b "hello world")) (list a b )) C-x C-e 18:43:05 then replace the body of the let with a more complex expression: (let ((a 42) (b "hello world")) (aref b (truncate a 10 ))) C-x C-e 18:43:17 and go on like this, until you have a full function body. 18:43:35 Then replace the let by a (defun fname (a b) ) C-x C-e and go on to the next function. 18:43:40 All that in the .lisp file. 18:43:52 Bottom up programming, with light-table behavior. 18:44:06 yeah, I almost never use the repl. Better to just start from a file in the first place. 18:44:29 -!- mrdtt [~mrdtt@115.73.13.81] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:15 I have a bad habit of writing lots of test code right into the REPL, which is probably better off in files, or slime-scratch. :) 18:47:19 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-242-244-241.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Quit: Eish] 18:47:21 sykopomp: indeed, the same principle applies to test writing too. 18:47:23 pnpuff [~pnpuff@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:47:26 https://github.com/rpav/CheckL this is pretty cool in that respect. 18:47:30 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:47:47 C-u C-x C-e gives you the output, check that it's good, and wrap test form and output in an (assert (equalp )). 18:47:56 Then gather the asserts in a test/something function. 18:49:47 when I embed a swank listener in an executable core, I cannot connect to it unless the swank sources are present on the machine where the executable is deployed, is this normal ? 18:49:47 18:49:52 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.138.106.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:50:01 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:50:06 and apparently the path has to be the same than on the machine where the executable was generated 18:50:09 yes 18:50:35 No, it's not normal. 18:50:58 it seems to be something with swank modules 18:51:11 Load them before saving the core. 18:51:34 ok, I'll give it a try 18:51:36 galdor: yes, it will try to load the requested contribs upon connecting 18:52:10 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:52:40 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl22-202-74.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 18:53:25 thank you 18:53:28 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:57 -!- alvis```` [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59:10 sykopomp 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SWANK-IO-PACKAGE::SWANK-MEDIA" errors when connecting 19:18:19 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:21 -!- KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:26 -!- Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:18:26 hugod [~user@bas1-montreal08-1279584440.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 19:19:42 __rahul__ [~rahul@59.178.59.14] has joined #lisp 19:21:39 -!- ksergio [~ksergio@mail.ageophysics.com] has quit [] 19:24:33 Yamazaki-kun [~bsa3@jetalone.facefault.org] has joined #lisp 19:24:33 FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has joined #lisp 19:27:34 ksergio [~sgarcia@mail.ageophysics.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:08 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:28:32 -!- kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:51 ok, using SWANK-REQUIRE instead 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