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I'm a C programmer. So? I don't see a problem. I embraced my UNIX soul long ago and I am happy together with my compiler (who is a cute layered front/backend design!). We have a fucking lot of functions in and outside of the kernel and I am pretty compact and resource conserving. 03:22:26 But thanks anyway asshole. Go and beat off to your stupid garbage collection shit while I #INCLUDE with my preprocessor. 03:23:09 :S 03:23:25 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:24:00 -!- jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:24:19 -!- gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-17-206-32.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:24:21 teggi [~teggi@123.20.28.201] has joined #lisp 03:25:47 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-99-2-149-26.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:00 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:28:37 avenidadebelgica [~avenidade@67-5-152-121.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:29:18 chr` [~user@148.122.202.244] has joined #lisp 03:32:03 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA06EA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 03:34:14 mimoid: EBADC. 03:37:05 pjb: we've been out-badassed. better get over it 03:37:32 -!- mimoid 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hi arbscht 06:13:43 arbscht: 06:19:08 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:20:44 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:29:02 |3b|: Thanks for the tip. I didn't see your comment last night. 06:29:34 -!- wztian [~quassel@119.41.26.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:30:45 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 06:31:56 -!- lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab6ce.dyn.optonline.net] has left #lisp 06:34:25 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Client Quit] 06:43:06 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:45:16 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:51:46 -!- nipra [~nipra@122.177.159.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:51:57 benny [~benny@i577A7F69.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:52:50 -!- mast` [~alex@unaffiliated/mast/x-9924406] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:58:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@67-5-241-41.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: *thrown into relief by bad clothing*] 07:00:01 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 07:02:50 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:05:47 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 07:10:43 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 07:10:56 hiyosi [~hiyosi@59.91.30.125.dy.iij4u.or.jp] has joined #lisp 07:10:57 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 07:11:18 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-153-68.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:12:51 mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #lisp 07:12:51 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@89-68-55-121.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Changing host] 07:12:51 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:16:50 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:22:05 fansshaw [~fansshaw@183.246.24.152] has joined #lisp 07:29:46 -!- fansshaw [~fansshaw@183.246.24.152] has left #lisp 07:33:12 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:33:37 Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 07:37:55 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-117.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:46:52 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 07:47:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@p9117-ipngn100206daianjibetu.nara.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:52:41 drumond19 [~drumond19@186.214.75.76] has joined #lisp 07:53:32 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@141-80-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 07:54:10 -!- drumond1_ [~drumond19@177.133.176.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:55:01 [SLB] [~slabua@host228-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:55:01 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host228-160-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 07:55:01 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 07:55:20 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:57:04 BlankVerse [~pankajm@p9117-ipngn100206daianjibetu.nara.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 07:59:25 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 08:00:02 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:55 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 08:03:08 stat_vi [~steffen@dslb-094-218-224-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 08:04:52 -!- egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@141-80-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has left #lisp 08:06:22 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:04 kwa1977 [~kwa@CPE-121-214-126-60.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:14:15 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:15:28 Need help. I am trying to do the simple database from the book "Practical Common Lisp" and I keep getting style warnings for undefined functions. As far as I know I am defining them correctly. Any advise? 08:16:03 Btw, using EMACS, SLIME, SBCL 08:16:40 Style warnings? On what exactly? 08:16:45 kwa1977: paste code. http://paste.lisp.org/new/lisp 08:17:06 -!- eslick [~eslick@c-67-180-63-197.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Reverting to analog] 08:18:26 pasted. I think. 08:18:35 and the url is....? 08:19:36 http://paste.lisp.org/+2S9H 08:20:30 and what functions are reported as undefined? 08:21:17 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:22:25 it seems like the entire (defun add-cds() function. The add-record, (prompt-for-cd), and (y-or-no-p function are all style warnings. 08:22:57 it would be much easier to help you if you'd just paste the diagnostics as well 08:23:29 did you paste completely? then there is a missing opening paren in the defvar line 08:24:27 -!- shwouchk [~shwouchk@unaffiliated/shwouchk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:24:34 I think I did. Let me check. 08:24:47 The stuff that he pasted with the ( added all seems to work fine in SLIME for me. 08:25:03 (No style warnings) 08:25:24 What LISP executable are you using? 08:25:27 CLISP? 08:25:35 SBCL 08:26:23 Ah, I am unfamiliar with SBCL... I was thinking it might be an implementation issue. 08:26:26 whenever I C-c C-c it it shows no warnings but when I C-c C-z it it messes up. 08:27:27 Yep, it all works here. 08:27:43 (Save the missed parenthesis at the beginning) 08:27:51 Just to let all of you know I am teaching myself. 08:28:17 I have that first parenthesis in the beginnnig 08:28:44 "Just to let all of you know I am teaching myself." Hence Practical Common LISP... It's awesome. 08:29:03 I pretty much don't know what I am doing. EMACS is kicking my butt right now. 08:29:25 Well... C-h ? is a wonderful tool to learn Emacs. 08:29:50 Or "M-x apropos" (Search for functionality) 08:29:56 chaotic_good_ [ad3ccabc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.60.202.188] has joined #lisp 08:30:03 So if it works for you what am I doing wrong. 08:30:36 Unfortunately, I don't know... My best guess is it's something specific to your install of SBCL. 08:30:44 (Maybe someone else in here will know?) 08:32:38 whenever I try to add-cds it tells me prompt-for-cd is undefined. [Condition of type UNDEFINED-FUNCTION] 08:33:38 kwa1977: what happens if you load the whole file using C-c C-k? 08:33:50 Oh hey... 08:33:55 In add-cds 08:34:16 "y-or-n-p" not "y-or-no-p" 08:34:17 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 08:34:32 Why didn't flymake see that? 08:34:35 <_< 08:35:28 Oh yea, let me try that. When I C-c C-k it only showed one style warning for the y or n p. 08:36:11 Geh! I know why flymake didn't see that, I make a test function earlier. 08:36:59 Well, that did it. Thanks guys. It is always the little things that bite me in the butt. 08:37:42 No problem. 08:37:53 hitecnologys [~Adium@109.120.39.236] has joined #lisp 08:38:01 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 08:39:27 -!- hitecnologys [~Adium@109.120.39.236] has quit [Client Quit] 08:39:37 hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.236] has joined #lisp 08:42:55 -!- egp_ [~egp_@31.47.183.234] has quit [Quit:     (xchat 2.4.5  )] 08:43:37 nikodemus [~nikodemus@37-219-42-250.nat.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 08:43:52 quick question: how do I multiply a list of 10 numbers by number x, and have each of the 10 printed out? 08:44:01 I dont want the accumulated total 08:44:09 chaotic_good_: mapcar can do that. 08:44:12 chaotic_good_: or dolist 08:44:56 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:00 so (mapchar '(4 66 33 4.5 7.8 9) 77)? 08:45:01 or 08:45:02 ? 08:45:12 where do I put the *? 08:45:14 clhs mapcar 08:45:14 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_mapc_.htm 08:45:33 chaotic_good_: you need to learn some lisp basics. 08:45:44 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:46:47 Indeed... Someone earlier was reading a pretty damn good start called "Practical Common LISP"... http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ 08:46:58 It describes what you want a bit in even..! 08:47:07 ya? 08:47:30 (mapchar (* 5) (66 44 4.3)) didn't work 08:47:37 looking at spec link 08:47:37 chaotic_good_: no. because it is wrong 08:47:52 mapcar function &rest lists+ => result-list 08:47:52 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.28.201] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48:01 chaotic_good_: you don't know the basic. what introductory text are you using to learn lisp? 08:48:19 I might open gentle intro symbolic computation 08:48:34 chaotic_good_: do it. read several chapters. then return. 08:48:35 I found that to be an excellent book. 08:48:45 :( 08:48:45 ok 08:48:47 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 08:48:48 -!- chaotic_good_ [ad3ccabc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.60.202.188] has left #lisp 08:50:24 -!- bege [~bege@S0106001d7e5132b0.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:51:29 vantage|2 [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has joined #lisp 08:51:29 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has joined #lisp 08:51:30 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:47 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 08:56:04 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-11-59.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:29 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-11-59.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:57:44 -!- vantage|2 [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 08:57:48 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 08:57:55 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has joined #lisp 08:58:33 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81261B.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:09 setmeaway [~setmeaway@118.45.149.126] has joined #lisp 09:00:20 -!- flipout_1 [~scense@75-175-122-77.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [] 09:02:27 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.36] has joined #lisp 09:05:23 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 09:08:27 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 09:10:22 -!- kwa1977 [~kwa@CPE-121-214-126-60.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au] has left #lisp 09:15:19 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91.119.75.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:23 hello guys 09:24:00 Heyas. 09:31:03 -!- alanpearce [~alan@home.alanpearce.co.uk] has quit [Quit: alanpearce] 09:34:19 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 09:34:52 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@141-80-95-178.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 09:35:16 nipra [~nipra@122.177.159.10] has joined #lisp 09:35:22 -!- Myk267 [~myk@71.149.255.106] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 09:39:15 Myk267 [~myk@71.149.255.106] has joined #lisp 09:41:28 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:59:14 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 09:59:32 flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:01:26 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 10:02:57 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-161-167.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 10:05:18 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:07:35 Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:13:46 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:38 agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:19:10 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 10:20:11 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 10:21:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:29:43 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host85-230-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:06 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 10:34:03 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 10:37:39 -!- lifeng [~lifeng@bb119-74-178-124.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:37:49 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Client Quit] 10:39:19 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-17-38.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:40:47 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:42:27 ticking [~janpaulbu@87.253.189.132] has joined #lisp 10:44:27 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 10:46:15 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.79.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:46:23 ... I am so using this to link people to sections of the hyperspec. http://www.shadyurl.com/index.php 10:46:33 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:47:46 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:00 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:48:33 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-175-117.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:46 egp_ [~egp_@31.47.183.43] has joined #lisp 10:48:48 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 10:48:58 That changes this: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_defmac.htm 10:49:02 Into this: http://5z8.info/snufffilms_z0h8we_alqaeda-message-boards 10:49:08 tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has joined #lisp 10:50:09 Archenoth: fascinating. 10:51:28 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.5.25] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:01 -!- agumonkey 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What's the portable way to retrieve the docstring for a GF? 14:49:02 egp_ [~egp_@188.244.158.142] has joined #lisp 14:49:14 I have a symbol denoting a GF and was hoping (documentation sym 'function) would work but it doesn't. 14:49:39 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-8-189.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:49:44 it would (defgeneric f () (:documentation "docstring")) 14:50:10 redline6561: don't confuse the documentation of the function and the documentation of the methods. 14:50:11 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-111-55.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:51:32 teggi [~teggi@123.20.28.201] has joined #lisp 14:52:29 pjb: Oh! Thanks. I knew you could supply docs in the method or GF but didn't realize they set distinct places. Very cool. 14:53:08 redline6561: you can find the docstring of the method if you get a method object with (documentation method 't). 14:53:26 clhs find-method 14:53:26 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/f_find_m.htm 14:54:54 Gotcha. The methods in question are macro generated. I'll have it write a GF too and fetch from that. 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jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:21:08 seems i have problems the other direction.... recursive-> iterative rather ..... 16:21:17 weeee 16:22:28 Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:23:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:23:20 Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:27:44 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 16:28:40 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:30:10 homie: if the recursive call is not a tail call then you have to use a stack (sometimes you can use a queue instead). 16:30:37 homie: now, if there's a single recursive call, you can always make it a tail call using the accumulator pattern. 16:31:02 But if you have several recursive call, the problem may be inherently recursive, hence the need for a queue or stack. 16:31:15 well yes that's it, haven't gotten that far to figure out the pattern and the correct expressions.... 16:31:19 homie: fact is iterative. Tree walking is recursive. 16:32:00 homie: http://paste.lisp.org/display/83337 16:32:36 exercise 1.30 16:32:57 well will do it later.... 16:33:04 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:33:45 homie: http://paste.lisp.org/display/114777 16:34:08 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-8-189.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:35:12 Zol [~Zolomon@li152-84.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 16:35:37 -!- lcc [~user@unaffiliated/lcc] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:38:52 I am interested in learning a LISP, thought I'd write a mud client with built-in support for the Xbox Kinect and speech-to-text. However, that's something that can be added at a later stage. What I was wondering was whether there would be any major drawbacks in choosing Scheme over Common Lisp? I found an ncurses lib for both of them, do both support threading? Is threading easier to do in one over the other? 16:39:42 Can you use a library written in common lisp in a Scheme project? 16:40:08 Zol: just FYI, this channel is specific to Common Lisp, and #scheme is for Scheme. Libraries are not portable between the two. 16:40:25 sellout: Ah, sorry - thank you for that info. 16:41:11 Zol, Threading depends on the implementation (for both Scheme and CL) 16:41:26 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 16:41:40 Quadrescence: There are different implementations for threading, it's not built-in? 16:41:48 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 16:41:54 Zol, Threading is not part of the CL or Scheme standard. 16:42:06 Zol: Each implementation of the language has its own built-in threads (if at all) 16:42:17 Okay, thanks! 16:42:40 Zol: In CL, the Bordeaux-threads library aims to give a common interface across implementations. I'm not sure if something similar exists for Scheme. 16:42:51 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 16:43:44 qU1j0t3 [~qu1j0t3@vm4.telegraphics.com.au] has joined #lisp 16:47:51 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 16:48:06 pixelbrei [~user@83.125.62.155] has joined #lisp 16:48:17 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has joined #lisp 16:49:24 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 16:51:09 -!- ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has left #lisp 16:52:19 -!- hitecnologys [~No_Name@109.120.39.236] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:33 -!- magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:53:48 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54:43 magnificrab [~duranain@202.168.106.176.dynamic.rev.eftel.com] has joined #lisp 16:54:56 sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 16:58:27 -!- 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