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ozialien [~ozi@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:27 hah, depends on several things (: 00:40:42 ozialien [~ozi@ip68-0-179-160.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:40:52 your desire to be entertained, your saving throw vs. trolling, etc 00:40:59 (I haven't read cll in a loooong time) 00:41:37 S/N ratio seems quite low 00:43:41 -!- kanru` [~user@61-228-152-219.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:44:31 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c27-253-100-110.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 00:48:25 wztian [~quassel@119.41.28.0] has joined #lisp 00:52:55 Hmm 00:54:02 antifuchs: what's a good indicator? 00:54:50 -!- seangrove [~user@70-36-236-249.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:55:52 -!- kwmiebach_ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-44-189.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:13 harish [harish@nat/redhat/x-alrbewblmbhyhymu] has joined #lisp 00:58:50 -!- Guthur 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I guess I'll remove what I have and try again 04:20:55 fractal_heart [~mzhang@c-76-102-23-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:21:06 over the last month or so I have had emacs (with latest sbcl compiled from source) hanging up when I try to inspect arguments in some back traces or if I try to use Slime edit definition while the back trace is still active...has anybody else had such issues? 04:22:14 pnathan1 [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 04:23:30 -!- am0c [~am0c@121.169.146.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:21 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:26:18 -!- irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:26:56 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:29:26 -!- benny [~benny@i577A1CFC.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:29:38 thanks again! 04:29:44 -!- kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:57 -!- c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.156.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:34:41 mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-yopqpjwafmqadmpl] has joined #lisp 04:38:41 -!- mikankun [~mikankun@unaffiliated/angelfly] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:40:44 pnq [~nick@ACA29A3B.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 04:41:44 irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 04:43:54 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 04:45:28 pspace [~andrew@199-188-193-145.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net] has joined #lisp 04:48:54 -!- Quaydon [~aaaaaaa@cpe-071-068-114-143.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:49:35 slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-231-20.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 04:50:28 Jenni_ [~chatzilla@202-154-149-137.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #lisp 04:50:52 hm 04:51:11 can anyone tell me how to specify an ascii char by number? 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So, clx has api for extension defining. There is declare-event macro,  little bit similar as defstruct. There is *unused* field in events in XKeyboard extension. How can I write it? pad8, pad16? 11:24:22 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.229.85] has joined #lisp 11:24:52 -!- m5g [~Matt_S_G@gateway/tor-sasl/mattsg/x-78535695] has quit [Quit: m5g] 11:26:02 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 11:26:53 hello. can someone recommend me a quicklispable hash table or binary tree library that can take any test function? 11:27:20 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:28:01 sezo: com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.llrbtree:make-tree takes a lessp argument. 11:28:05 sezo: i cannot recommend it because i have not used it, but genhash advertises as that. 11:28:15 thanks 11:28:35 sezo: sbcl has a define-hash-table-test macro 11:28:53 -!- _8david [~user@port-92-195-61-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:30:31 wztian [~quassel@119.41.28.0] has joined #lisp 11:31:50 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:32:04 jangbc [~jangbc@1.231.44.192] has joined #lisp 11:32:06 asvil: you should be able to use pad8 and pad16, yes 11:32:25 probably of the form (pad8 0) or (pad16 0) 11:32:38 you might expect to be able to use pad32 too, but I think there's a bug in declare-event 11:33:33 kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 11:35:30 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 11:35:45 kmels [~kmels@HSI-KBW-078-043-223-122.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:39:22 -!- am0c [~am0c@121.160.18.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:02 teggi_ [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has joined #lisp 11:42:12 am0c [~am0c@121.160.18.107] has joined #lisp 11:42:33 -!- jangbc [~jangbc@1.231.44.192] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 11:44:16 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:44 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.40.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:47:31 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 11:48:37 kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:53:35 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:09 -!- flipout_1 [flipout_1@75-175-122-77.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:56:08 -!- treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:11 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:58:10 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@cpe-024-074-197-085.ec.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 12:00:30 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:01:02 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:01:14 -!- Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-136-142.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:56 -!- stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-254-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:06:50 -!- flanfl [~flanfl@cpc2-sgyl22-0-0-cust619.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:25 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 12:09:36 treyka [~treyka@77.109.79.57] has joined #lisp 12:11:04 robertberry [~user@138.253.72.64] has joined #lisp 12:11:55 Hey. In Scheme you can write ((if (> b 0) + -) a b) - is it possible to do this in Common Lisp, or would you need to use apply? 12:12:07 robertberry: apply or funcall 12:12:18 Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 12:12:40 (funcall (if (plusp b) (function +) (function -)) a b) 12:13:03 OK cool :) Thanks for the help 12:13:32 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.124.22.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:14 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 12:18:24 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 12:19:41 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-118-235.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:19:44 lichtblau [~user@port-92-195-61-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 12:22:29 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:23:27 -!- am0c [~am0c@121.160.18.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:11 -!- fractal_heart [~mzhang@c-76-102-23-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:25:17 [SLB] [~slabua@host134-161-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:25:17 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host134-161-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 12:25:17 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 12:26:13 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 12:28:33 -!- robertberry [~user@138.253.72.64] has left #lisp 12:29:04 fractal_heart [~mzhang@c-76-102-23-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:32:08 catnap [~terimpil@radio-65.hut.fi] has joined #lisp 12:32:15 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:46 hello everyone 12:32:51 has anyone used gsll? 12:33:08 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:33:09 Yes, someone has used gsll. 12:33:57 boo 12:34:25 |SLB| [~slabua@host238-164-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:36:35 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36:35 I encountered a slight problem while trying to install gsll in sbcl 1.0.29 12:37:56 .sbcl/systems/package.lisp does not seem to exist, although required 12:38:22 lusory [~lusory@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 12:39:00 the command that I used was (ql:quickload "gsll") 12:39:28 but maybe there is a more subtle way of installing this package 12:39:41 -!- |SLB| [~slabua@host238-164-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 12:39:54 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.145.138] has joined #lisp 12:40:56 -!- fvides [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:40:58 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable151.155-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 12:41:01 r_r_r [~chatzilla@77.127.38.11] has joined #lisp 12:43:26 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@193.136.27.164] has quit [Quit: jcazevedo] 12:45:06 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:45:43 gaidal [~gaidal@78-72-1-19-no190.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 12:45:57 that would be the wrong place to put such a file anyway 12:46:03 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.229.85] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - 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I was probably using a wrong version 13:19:25 stat_vi [~stat@dslb-094-218-251-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:19:41 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 13:20:15 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-195-70.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:21:33 catnap: do you know how to configure apt to install packages selectively ? 13:21:41 sbcl complains that glibc 2.14 does not exist 13:22:03 fe[nl]ix: unfortunately not - maybe you could recommend some tutorial 13:22:25 LiamH [~none@132.250.138.103] has joined #lisp 13:26:37 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 13:26:40 catnap: http://paste.lisp.org/+2S8L 13:28:11 <|3b|> catnap: was that glibc error from sbcl 1.0.57 from sbcl.org? 13:28:37 yes 13:28:59 *|3b|* thought that was supposed to have been fixed on recent builds 13:29:30 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 13:29:50 mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:30:50 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:31:35 ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has joined #lisp 13:32:03 -!- mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:32 mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:32:48 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has quit [Client Quit] 13:34:31 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:35:01 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 13:36:25 yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 13:42:27 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-198-38.uio.no] has joined #lisp 13:43:05 kanru` [~user@61-228-152-219.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:36 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176313909.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:48:19 |3b|: the version was 1.0.57 and it was from sbcl.org, yes 13:50:05 |nix|` [~user@66-194-253-20.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 13:50:11 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176313909.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 13:50:17 easyE`` [rFKIf2vobz@panix3.panix.com] has joined #lisp 13:50:33 -!- lusory [~lusory@bb115-66-195-54.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:50:40 alvis`` [~user@tx-184-6-177-129.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:57 tali713` [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:02 bieber [~quassel@97.97.75.169] has joined #lisp 13:52:09 angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has joined #lisp 13:52:23 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Some of the comment pages are missing from wayback machine. 14:01:22 -!- catnap [~terimpil@radio-65.hut.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:06:14 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:08:23 I heard Xach was a friend of brucio, we should ask him 14:09:30 snearch [~snearch@f053009243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:09:34 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:10:17 -!- Trystam is now known as Tristam 14:12:05 rudi: what's the topic ? 14:12:50 a classic lisp blog which is now lost, like tears in the rain ... 14:13:06 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:13:45 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 14:14:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:29 the word "spoof" is missing there 14:18:42 -!- howeyc_ [~howeyc@2607:f2f8:a958::2] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:10 howeyc [~howeyc@2607:f2f8:a958::2] has joined #lisp 14:22:44 agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 14:23:19 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 14:24:42 -!- sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has quit [Quit: quit] 14:25:37 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: tritchey] 14:25:40 ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has joined #lisp 14:32:38 cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 14:32:46 homie: Brucio, it was Brice de Nice trying to learn Lisp: https://www.google.com/search?q=bruce+de+nice&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=i5L&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=vid&sa=X&ei=6wzST4egFqLC0QX61LWDBA&ved=0CAYQvwUoAQ&q=brice+de+nice&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d55d88c5c84bd503&biw=1680&bih=905 14:34:45 lony` [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 14:35:39 -!- lony` [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 14:37:27 yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has joined #lisp 14:37:54 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:38:05 -!- antonv [2e35c32a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.53.195.42] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:02 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:27 well well well 14:40:28 ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has joined #lisp 14:40:56 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:10 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:34 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 14:41:56 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 14:45:19 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:45:38 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:45:47 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053009243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:46:16 snearch [~snearch@f053009243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 14:46:24 -!- wztian [~quassel@119.41.28.0] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:48:08 -!- mcsontos [mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-yopqpjwafmqadmpl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:50:03 he breaks in without asking me! 14:50:06 lol 14:52:31 http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispOnePointFive confuses me :-) 14:52:54 i see MACRO in Lisp 1.5 Primer 14:53:04 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt] 14:53:13 though the article says macros were not invented back then 14:54:01 fexpr were pretty much like what we use macros for now 14:55:21 faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has joined #lisp 14:57:26 I still like tcl's way. There is no distinction between macros or functions, you're just expected to quote things you want to not be evaluated before the call. 14:58:20 sure, but I have yet to see a nice tcl compiler 14:58:22 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:58:28 tcl does not have any .. too slow heh 14:58:37 which is why we have macros in common lisp and not fexprs 14:58:51 dlowe, wait. 14:58:53 tcl8's new feature was adding a compiler 14:59:03 (a bytecode compiler, but a compiler nonetheless) 14:59:26 tcl is also heavily dependent on C 14:59:54 oconnore [~eric@38.111.17.138] has joined #lisp 15:00:08 foom: is it a compiling compiler or just an interpreter-loop-unroller, though? 15:00:54 and if it's a compiler, is it an _optimizing_ compiler 15:00:57 -!- xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:05 and on and on 15:01:39 -!- yvdriess [~Beef@soft85.vub.ac.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:02:00 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 15:02:09 S11001001: um...not sure exactly what you mean. A compiling compiler, I guess? 15:02:10 http://www.tcl.tk/community/tcl2002/archive/Tcl2002papers/kenny-bytecode/paperKBK.html 15:03:03 really, though, the way to see why lisp does what it does is to write more lisp 15:03:29 heh. it caches its internal representations 15:03:47 so it's kind of like the ruby interpreter in that sense 15:03:49 -!- younder [~john@69.248.16.62.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:05 so more of an AST than even a byte compiler 15:04:06 foom: python's qualifies as the latter 15:04:24 no, it's a byte compiler 15:04:40 with very high level opcodes 15:04:56 that is to say, it's unrolling eval loops 15:05:04 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:20 yeah, pretty much 15:05:41 -!- tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:42 well, no, not really. 15:05:46 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:05:48 so, there's that, which you can do just by parsing the code without any context 15:05:55 tcl's eval loop can't do anything but call functions. 15:05:58 and then there's real analysis and inlining, like what SBCL does 15:06:00 well, more power to them 15:06:03 ah i didn't really see any bytecode reference in that link 15:06:29 you can't e.g. add two integers in tcl without calling a user-redefinable function. 15:06:46 it tracks if that function is available in C, though 15:06:56 yeah sbcl's (and probably other compilers') type inferencing is eye-opening at times 15:07:00 right, the compiler knows how to expand most such non-redefined builtins 15:07:23 into fast bytecodes to do e.g. addition 15:07:36 stokachu_ [~zef@cpe-174-099-042-005.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:07:39 alright, that is a little better 15:08:33 one of the things that bugs me about these high-level language optimizations is that they always have a poorly defined list of things that if you do them will make an operation take 1000x longer 15:09:13 what bugs me is many people feel the only way to avoid that is by static typing everywhere ;) 15:09:27 saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has joined #lisp 15:09:28 -!- saage [~saage@200.195.179.34] has quit [Changing host] 15:09:28 saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has joined #lisp 15:09:56 Haskell is no speed demon :p 15:10:09 so there's an extreme counterexample 15:10:25 this actually surprised me .. compiling ghc is horribly slow .. with all the hype about automatic parallelization etc 15:10:26 haskell is also lazy 15:10:49 -!- saage [~saage@unaffiliated/saage] has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:51 oGMo: afaik GHC isn't exactly a place that enjoys a lot of automatic parallelism 15:11:03 someone should tell it to get off its lazy bum and start performing up to par, then! 15:11:03 true. fast late binding is hard 15:11:51 haskell can't benefit from type hinting like CL? (not terribly familiar, obviously) 15:13:13 oGMo: Haskell has *strict* static typing. It's always typed, doesn't use tags except maybe for distinguishing pointers 15:13:45 p_l|backup: ah .. sad 15:14:33 sezo [~yhiselamu@lap.ee] has joined #lisp 15:16:18 oGMo: it's just that there are other issues that a) make haskell performance a bit weird (laziness, mainly) b) Haskell compilation is *slow* because it's *complex* 15:16:37 heh 15:17:15 slow to write, slow to build, slow to run 15:19:15 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-198-38.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 15:21:11 -!- agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:21:44 agumonkey [~agu@197.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 15:25:33 harish [~harish@119.234.178.220] has joined #lisp 15:27:08 helloooooo 15:27:24 when i define two toplevel functions with the same name, which one is called ? 15:27:36 the latest one ? 15:27:48 or the foremost ? 15:27:51 the one where you got a nice big function redefinition warning. 15:28:10 oh 15:28:48 which is the second one 15:29:12 -!- iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:29:29 sezo: it's the first one if you count from the bottom up! 15:29:38 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:29:44 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:54 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:43 srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:56 i don't get any warnings 15:34:05 not function redefinition at least 15:34:17 homie: Are they in different packages? 15:34:22 no the same file 15:34:30 two times my-sqrt 15:34:39 but little bit different bodys i think 15:35:04 homie: files and packages have no relation in CL. 15:35:17 teggi [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has joined #lisp 15:35:17 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:32 not they both toplevel then 15:35:34 no package 15:35:43 ok, show us the code :) 15:35:47 teggi [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has joined #lisp 15:35:55 you won't get warnings if you compiled using quicklisp. 15:36:51 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129912 15:37:01 <|3b|> 2 functions with same name in 1 file is undefined behavior as far as i remember 15:38:13 <|3b|> for compilation at least 15:38:28 well sbcl is defaulting to compilation i think.... 15:38:43 <|3b|> for REPL, LOAD, or redefinition in separate compilation units, whichever is evaluated last applies 15:38:43 and i don't know why i don't get any warnings 15:38:57 yes ok then 15:39:06 so in my repl it's the second ok 15:39:07 <|3b|> 'compilation' as in COMPILE-FILE, not just compilation as an evaluation strategy 15:39:09 are you just loading the file? (load "/..file") 15:39:17 yes i was just loading 15:39:26 not load-compiling 15:39:45 -!- kanru` [~user@61-228-152-219.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40:19 *|3b|* isn't sure if the issue is even meaningful for COMPILE or not 15:40:36 ah 15:40:46 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m90-141-61-234.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 15:41:53 <|3b|> if you are directly calling LOAD on a lisp source file, top-level forms are evaluated in order, so last definition is the one that is visible after the file is done loading 15:42:47 -!- mmalorni [~mmalorni@modemcable026.84-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:16 lebro [~xmike@ool-18bab6ce.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 15:45:42 tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:47:37 homie: the answer is complex. It depends whether the redefinition of the function is in the same compilation-unit or not, on where the function calls are with respect to the compilation-unit of the definitions or redefinition, and whether there's a declaration inline or not-inline for those re/definitions.. 15:48:32 irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has joined #lisp 15:48:36 homie: but in practice it's simple enough: do not have duplicate definitions in files. 15:48:36 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:57 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@proxykno.emea.fedex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:40 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:50:10 ok ok 15:50:40 -!- ccomendant [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ccomendant] has left #lisp 15:50:42 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-213-168-118-235.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:47 homie: therefore, read clhs defun with-compilation-unit inline not-inline funcall and the description of the evaluation rules. 15:52:10 danishman [~kvirc@62.243.156.218] has joined #lisp 15:53:45 are cl-store files always portable? meaning can you create a file with one lisp implementation and read it with another? from my very limited testing they seem to be 15:55:26 [SLB] [~slabua@host238-164-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 15:55:26 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host238-164-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 15:55:26 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 15:56:33 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 15:57:01 i saved and read back a hash table, key being a unicode string, value list of CLOS objects 15:57:52 pw4ever [~user@50-90-188-248.res.bhn.net] has joined #lisp 15:57:56 sezo: I don't know. IIRC, cl-store has a serialization layer. The question is whether this serialization layer is implemented correctly, ie. in an implementation and platform independent way. 15:57:57 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-82.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:58:15 -!- pw4ever [~user@50-90-188-248.res.bhn.net] has left #lisp 15:59:27 I think it was platform independent for specific subset of objects 16:00:37 Well, it'd be simple enough to make it platform independent for all the storable objects, if you don't use implementation specific shortcuts. 16:00:51 implementation specific shortcuts = C pointers. 16:02:03 Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has joined #lisp 16:02:07 -!- Levenson [~Levenson@office-gw.skytel.spb.ru] has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:59 iocor [~textual@unaffiliated/iocor] has joined #lisp 16:04:47 nowhere_man [~pierre@2001:660:2402:14:76de:2bff:fe41:2f1] has joined #lisp 16:05:26 hi all 16:08:35 I've just created a library for macros I use often 16:08:44 https://github.com/kephas/thierry-macros/blob/master/macros.lisp 16:09:13 but it's only 3 macros, and I'm wondering in which existing library they could fit 16:10:05 -!- fractal_heart [~mzhang@c-76-102-23-188.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:07 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 16:11:12 nowhere_man: you could propose them to alexandria. 16:11:50 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-178-22.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:12:27 -!- stokachu_ [~zef@cpe-174-099-042-005.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:13:52 nowhere_man: the first one looks like alexandria:if-let 16:15:19 *|3b|* would probably declare the functions in with-functions inline 16:16:21 |3b|: yeah, I'm considering it 16:17:14 Seems to me that, coming frome scheme, you might be overusing recursion 16:17:41 sykopomp: ha, yes, (cif foo (bar) (frob) (frotz)) == (if-let (foo (bar)) (frob) (frotz)) 16:18:04 the with-functions doesn't use its body argument? 16:18:47 tcr: man,I must have copied a wrong version 16:18:55 tcr: what do you mean by overusing? 16:19:05 a similiar macro was proposed for inclusion into the standard, proposed name back then was FUNCTIONAL. Idiomatic CL just uses funcall nowadays 16:19:36 tcr: not exactly, it's purpose is to compensate for lisp-2-ness. 16:19:51 what "not exactly"? 16:19:55 (defun hof (fun arg) (with-functions (fun) (fun arg))) 16:20:16 idiomatic CL doesn't exactly just use funcall. 16:20:26 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20:32 Ie. idiomatic CL includes that kind of macros. 16:23:05 [6502] [5ea6b22d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.166.178.45] has joined #lisp 16:25:12 macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #lisp 16:25:23 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 16:27:18 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-66-176-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:21 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:57 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-16-10.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 16:31:27 b_ [~chatzilla@cpc14-acto3-2-0-cust114.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 16:32:46 -!- cnl [~cnl@95.106.55.40] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 16:34:17 my code spends a lot of time in SB-KERNEL:VALUES-SPECIFIER-TYPE. 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And from what field should I start definition, for e.g. in specification event starts with code, detail, sequence, and in clx/input.lisp definition sometimes starts with detail, sometimes with sequence. 18:08:01 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-117-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:50 -!- slyrus_ [~chatzilla@adsl-108-80-231-20.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:10:17 lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 18:10:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:10:31 -!- lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 18:10:33 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:31 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:12:50 -!- yakov [~yakov@77.72.122.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:32 -!- EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:36 -!- kaol_ is now known as kaol 18:15:10 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 18:15:13 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 18:15:18 SplinterOfChaos [~soc@cblmdm24-52-84-142.buckeyecom.net] has joined #lisp 18:16:21 Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:16:53 KingsKnighted [~quassel@c-174-52-149-13.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:25 pnpuff [~uu@host192-91-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:19:25 -!- pnpuff [~uu@host192-91-dynamic.247-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 18:19:25 pnpuff [~uu@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has joined #lisp 18:20:10 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:20:18 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 18:22:18 kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has joined #lisp 18:22:51 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-255-106.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 18:23:26 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-145-238.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 18:23:47 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-87-79-195-70.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:25:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-195-70.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:26:22 -!- smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:35 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:26:40 smanek [~smanek@173-228-44-49.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 18:29:48 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-195-178.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:26 Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-255-106.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:32 EyesIsMine [~Eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 18:38:32 -!- huangjs [~huangjs@190.8.100.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:38:49 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-244-50-247.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:42:19 asvil: I think you just write out the specification. You might want to check the spec for the core protocol events, so that you can see how they're translated in clx/input.lisp 18:42:58 prxq: something somewhere is converting a type specifier (symbol or cons) into an internal type. Calling TYPEP at runtime is one way for that to happen, or calling SUBTYPEP 18:43:02 -!- guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: guyal] 18:43:46 guyal [~michaelmu@108-235-117-64.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:26 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:34 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 18:45:17 -!- Myk267 [~myk@adsl-71-149-255-106.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Myk267] 18:48:12 pnq [~nick@AC813922.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:55:45 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:21 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.90.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:56:50 asvil [~asvil@178.120.90.73] has joined #lisp 18:57:50 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.90.73] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58:07 asvil [~asvil@178.120.90.73] has joined #lisp 18:58:33 [SLB] [~slabua@host254-173-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:58:52 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host254-173-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 18:58:52 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:00:28 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Quit: o7] 19:01:13 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 19:03:03 Myk267 [~myk@71.149.255.106] has joined #lisp 19:04:02 lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 19:04:55 -!- lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 19:04:55 -!- flavioribeiro [~flaviorib@177.98.210.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:01 what does this mean?: ~/built/sbcl-1.0.57 $ INSTALL_ROOT=/home/k/bin/ sh install.sh 19:09:05 .: 13: Can't open output/prefix.def 19:12:50 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483A98D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:13:24 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:13:30 err, I'm going to get the binary instead, seems like that's the easier route 19:13:55 cddr [~user@ec2-23-20-5-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 19:15:10 kanedank: there's a script that uses the . built-in command to source the file output/prefix.def, but it cannot open it, either because it doesn't exist, or because it doesn't have access rights. 19:15:22 kanedank: Try: find . -name prefix.def -ls 19:15:59 possibly, this file could have to be created in the destination, and access rights prevent that, so further opening it is impossible so check also access rights on /home/k/bin 19:16:15 (and sub-directories). 19:16:34 find ~/built/sbcl-1.0.57 /home/k/bin -type d -ls 19:16:57 find ~/built/sbcl-1.0.57 /home/k/bin -name prefix.def -ls 19:17:57 would you recommend building from source? It really doesn't matter to me, I'm not trying to do anything fancy, just use a current v of sbcl 19:18:09 just trying to use 19:19:19 kanedank: Yes, I usually build from source. The reason is because I occasionnaly need to make patches to the implementation, so having the sources and being able to build from them is a time saver. 19:19:46 But if you just want to try it out, using the binaries or the distribution provided cl implementations is good too. 19:20:08 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-13-80.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 19:20:13 sbcl makes monthly releases. In general you don't need to be that current. 19:20:57 What distribution do you use? 19:20:57 19:21:10 debian stable 19:21:24 squeeze I mean 19:22:18 Is there bug in clx, I need to use (declare-error .... ((sequence :length 8) unused)), but sequence-get does not contain "index" argument, only keys? see macros.lisp:367 19:22:27 apt-get install sbcl clisp ccl ecl # should set you up. 19:22:58 kanedank: then install quicklisp from http://www.quicklisp.org and then with quicklisp install swank and slime. 19:23:32 asvil: perhaps, perhaps not. Perhaps you're not using the right version or fork of it. 19:24:17 If you're using clx from quicklisp, then you may consider it up-to-date and report inconsistencies as bugs. 19:24:49 pjb: ah, that seems to be a lot simpler than the tutorials I was looking at. thanks for the suggestions! 19:24:49 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:38 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:26:15 pjb: sorry, now I find, that sequence-get contains *keyword* "index" argument, and, I think, (sequence ...) does not want to work with declare-event macro 19:26:56 it is not bug, but small inconsistence 19:27:13 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:27:14 -!- ZC|Mobile [~weechat@108-222-196-145.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:27:14 ZC|Mobile [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #lisp 19:27:24 May be I need to use sequence other way 19:27:36 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:17 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 19:29:21 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 19:30:29 not sure if I should ask here, but now I get: /home/k/bin/sbcl/bin/sbcl: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /home/k/bin/sbcl/bin/sbcl) 19:31:05 -!- Kvaks_ [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:06 kanedank: http://paste.lisp.org/+2S8L 19:31:08 -!- pnq [~nick@AC813922.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:31:34 kanedank: did you install sbcl binaries in your home dir? They've been compiled with a different glibc version than what you have installed. 19:31:36 Kvaks [~quassel@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:32:41 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-uiynpuhoiewffrjz] has joined #lisp 19:32:56 fe[nl]ix: thank you! that looks very useful! 19:33:11 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has joined #lisp 19:33:11 -!- lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@181.132.160.27] has quit [Changing host] 19:33:12 lobo_d_b [~lobo_d_b@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435] has joined #lisp 19:33:58 ASau [~user@95-26-235-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 19:38:09 -!- kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:16 kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has joined #lisp 19:40:25 fe[nl]ix: you're paste metnions /etc/apt/preferences, so I created that file. But when I tried to install sbcl again it just installed the 1.0.40 one again. Do I have to pass apt an optional command? Or what did I screw up? I also ran apt-get update after touching those files/before trying to install sbcl again. 19:40:49 tomodo [~tomodo@gateway/tor-sasl/tomodo] has joined #lisp 19:41:10 kanedank: if you apt-get install ccl or clisp, what version do you get? 19:41:45 I ask because eg. with clisp, if you get 2.49 or 2.48, you get a current version. 19:41:57 If you get 1.7 or 1.8 ccl too. 19:42:17 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.163.71] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:19 kanedank: you need to do apt-get update first 19:42:26 Even a ccl-1.6 or clisp 2.47 are entirely usable. 19:43:24 ccl? I don't think that's in the debian repository. 19:43:58 that's correct 19:44:04 c0atz1n_ [~c0atz1n@189.238.48.52] has joined #lisp 19:44:22 Well, getting ccl is even simplier: just svn it in /usr/local/src/ and and cp script/ccl /usr/local/bin 19:44:53 -!- c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.145.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:47:14 Kron__ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has joined #lisp 19:50:45 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:51:12 well thank you very much pjb and fe[nl]ix, you've been very helpful! 19:51:23 -!- kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:51:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@ht-210.humtec.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:42 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:57:09 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053009243.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:58:02 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@78-72-1-19-no190.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:26 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-183-93.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:39 -!- angavrilov_ [~angavrilo@217.71.227.190] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02:47 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:44 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 20:04:26 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:06:43 Kryztof: ah I see. Thanks. 20:07:01 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:07:08 kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has joined #lisp 20:07:26 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-uiynpuhoiewffrjz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:29 fe[nl]ix: what am I screwing up here? 20:07:35 http://paste.lisp.org/display/129916 20:08:13 Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-93-80.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 20:08:14 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@d75-156-93-80.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:08:14 Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has joined #lisp 20:09:15 sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 20:09:49 I cleared my cache and have run apt-get update a few times, to no avail 20:10:11 and I put the preferences file in /etc/apt/preferences and /etc/apt/preferences.d/sbcl 20:12:12 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-235-225.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 20:13:20 kanedank: I don't know, it should work 20:13:52 -!- sporous [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:13:58 sporous_ [~sporous@antispammeta/bot/irssi/sporous] has joined #lisp 20:14:28 okay, well thank you. I'll just fiddle with it til something works. 20:14:30 -!- kanedank [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:429e] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:19:35 -!- sporous_ is now known as sporous 20:20:35 -!- fvides [~quassel@56.165.216.87.static.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:29:26 killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has joined #lisp 20:29:40 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-82.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:31:11 -!- EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:31:52 EarlGray [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 20:35:10 _schulte_ [~eschulte@67.42.71.67] has joined #lisp 20:38:29 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:19 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 20:42:02 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:26 DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-120-241.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 20:44:59 pnq [~nick@AC81E6AD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:46:01 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 20:48:59 Vivitron [~Vivitron@pool-98-110-213-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:53:36 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:53:58 wakeup [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-128-94.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:53:59 hi 20:54:00 wakeup, memo from pjb: abstract away the notion of source file reference, with subclasses for text files (line/column) and for binary files (index position). 20:54:36 thanks minion :) 20:55:08 minion: thanks! 20:55:08 you're welcome 20:55:26 -!- Alice3 [~Alice@cpc3-grim12-0-0-cust856.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 20:55:27 can anyone explain to me why sbcl often has stack traces like 0: foreign function 1: NOTHING ? 20:55:43 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.71.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55:46 and maybe how to avoid that while debugging 20:56:11 I mean if the code signals a condition somewhere I would at least like to know what function signalled it? 20:56:27 and ideally a full stacktrace with all function calls 20:56:45 I tried (declaim (optimize (debug 3)) 20:57:00 wakeup: what platform are you on? 20:57:03 linux 20:57:26 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-157-128.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:57:27 [SLB] [~slabua@host254-173-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 20:57:27 -!- [SLB] [~slabua@host254-173-dynamic.55-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 20:57:27 [SLB] [~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 20:57:33 what linux? 20:57:55 if I do a (declaim ...) does it affect the stuff compiled by subsequent (require ...)? 20:57:57 wakeup: don't call foreign functions. 20:58:06 not necessarily. 20:58:08 arch linux 20:58:27 I'd guess the nothing is the trampoline. 20:58:27 wakeup: try (sb-ext:restrict-compiler-policy 'debug 2) instead 20:58:54 x86 or x86-64? 20:59:32 x86 21:00:40 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:19 -!- ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-117-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:26 SBCL version? 21:02:17 1.0.54 21:02:41 stassats: that didn't do anything as far as I can tell... 21:04:02 I will try tto upgrade sbcl now... just pro forma 21:04:19 Arch used to have a build issue due to fomit-frame-pointer by default, but that should have been fixed in 1.0.54 already. Are you installing from sbcl.org? I'd try that first. 21:04:56 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-157-128.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:07:11 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.3.222] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09:37 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 21:12:55 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:15:23 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:17:55 -!- Kron__ [~Kron@2.49.96.76] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 21:20:17 Phoodus: using 57 binary from sbcl.org now and I see a big improvement 21:20:34 its quite an old arch linux install so maybe it was that 21:26:19 ceti331_ [~walterlyn@host86-168-6-8.range86-168.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 21:27:52 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:28:37 gaidal [~gaidal@78-72-1-19-no190.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #lisp 21:29:19 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@67.42.71.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:37 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:46 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 21:36:19 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81E6AD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:08 -!- irpanech6 [~user@24.68.147.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:39:28 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@217.17.38.43] has quit [Quit: dobranoc] 21:41:53 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:43:20 -!- Bacalli [~Bacalli@unaffiliated/bacalli] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:44:31 -!- LiamH [~none@132.250.138.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:44:40 jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 21:45:38 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 21:45:43 lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 21:45:45 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:46:16 -!- lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 21:46:55 -!- jasox [~user@178.239.26.130] has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:07 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:53:48 -!- pnpuff [~uu@unaffiliated/pnpuff] has quit [Quit: pnpuff] 21:56:26 Bacalli [~Bacalli@c-98-233-160-79.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:26 -!- Bacalli [~Bacalli@c-98-233-160-79.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:56:26 Bacalli [~Bacalli@unaffiliated/bacalli] has joined #lisp 21:56:34 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:34 -!- tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:06 dnolen [~user@pool-96-224-18-215.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:54 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:01:43 -!- cddr [~user@ec2-23-20-5-148.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:02:56 -!- apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #lisp 22:03:47 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:09:43 Is there a way to get the name of the currently-executing function? (for debug purposes, some approximation to this is good enough) 22:09:44 dreish [~dreish@minus.dreish.org] has joined #lisp 22:13:13 lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 22:14:11 -!- lony [~user@hoas-fe3ddd00-245.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #lisp 22:14:57 -!- faust45 [~faust45@89.22.255.54] has quit [Quit: faust45] 22:19:34 nothing portable, I believe. 22:20:36 well, no. I was wondering if swank or similar had such a tool already. 22:22:08 -!- tr-808_ [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:22:23 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:24:33 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@70.83.76.188.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 22:26:35 Iceland_` [~user@194.144.228.86] has joined #lisp 22:26:48 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@78-72-1-19-no190.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:27:32 <|3b|> does trivial-backtrace do what you want? 22:28:26 poindont` [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has joined #lisp 22:28:35 ghast` [~user@host250.190-30-150.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 22:30:22 urandom__ [~user@p54B0EFD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:30:55 rpgsimmaster_ [~rpgsimmas@system00.packetstability.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:10 crypto_ [~z0d@q.notresp.com] has joined #lisp 22:31:15 jacobw2 [~jacobw@fedora/jacobw] has joined #lisp 22:31:15 mikaelj_ 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