00:01:17 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 00:05:29 now harder, (progn (set-macro-character #\\ (constantly nil)) (set-macro-character #\c (constantly nil)) (set-macro-character #\- (constantly nil)) (setf *read-base* 36)) 00:12:46 -!- kanru`` [~user@61-228-151-132.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:14:53 Is there a way to declare a fixed-length construct of > (word size) on the stack in Common Lisp? (I can think of macroing in let (((#:v1 ..) (#:v2. ..) (#:vn ..)) but there may be something better . . .? ) 00:15:07 Basically, the equivalent of an on-stack C array. 00:15:35 clhs dynamic-extent 00:15:35 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/d_dynami.htm 00:17:05 antonv [5d7d31e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.232] has joined #lisp 00:17:09 -!- ainm [~ainm@238.Red-83-33-83.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: ((call/cc call/cc) (call/cc call/cc))] 00:17:51 Any comments on log4cl ( https://github.com/7max/log4cl ) ? I'm looking for a decent logging system 00:18:08 maxm: have you got any comments on log4cl? 00:22:19 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 00:24:29 -!- vervic [~vervic@91-114-187-99.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: vervic] 00:25:01 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:26:24 -!- Farzad [~farzadbek@46.225.97.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29:16 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-139-71-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:30:46 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 00:30:53 -!- harish [~harish@cm50.beta157.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:35:02 In practice, how far can a (say, SBCL) implementation take dynamic-extent stack-allocation? Does this work for just implementation types like List and make-array, or can it extend these "allocate on the stack" properties to objects created by called functions? 00:36:03 not very far 00:36:38 are you indulging into premature optimization? 00:36:47 No, I'm indulging in understanding. 00:36:48 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002130145004.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 00:37:12 dynamic-extent is just an optimization hint, it might do a thing 00:37:21 it might not do 00:39:02 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 00:39:17 -!- pnathan1 [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:26 Fools. Why don't you make the parameter saying what to do with the file afterwards required already?! 00:39:39 There's obviously no consensus. 00:40:10 :keep or :delete. Done. 00:40:16 ":send-it-to-Hexstream's-mamma" 00:40:39 Hexstream: what's the default? 00:41:01 stassats: No default, my suggestion is to make it a required argument. 00:41:14 With a value of :keep or :delete. 00:41:38 a default would be nicer! 00:42:24 Sure, if you want to choose between the wrong answer and the wronger answer. You might pick the best answer! 00:43:06 the best is the one i want 00:44:34 By the way I'm entirely comfortable with the idea of having tons of trivial-* libraries around. I don't particularly like the idea of integrating this in an utilities library, even if it's the blesstest one. My 0.02$. 00:45:00 controversial-temporary-file 00:45:41 stirring-temporary-file 00:48:38 ikki [~ikki@189.247.202.179] has joined #lisp 00:49:10 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.202.179] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:29 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-103.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:53:06 z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has joined #lisp 00:53:18 hola 00:53:31 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 00:53:33 Hello. 00:53:38 have a clisp-related question 00:54:18 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-92-119.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:54:30 let's hear it 00:54:33 if you don't ask, we can't answer 00:54:35 is there a way to get clisp to reload previous sessions history buffer? 00:54:52 Oops, I hadn't come across Hans' suggestion of with-output-to-temporary-file and with-open-temporary-file. Seems sensible... 00:55:00 -!- two- [~textual@67.23.193.215] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:56:20 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.22.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:56:37 (Yet an explicit required argument would be more... explicit.) 00:58:01 it's hard to pick up the difference from the names 00:58:34 *z1l0g* guesses probably not since it's not mentioned in the manpage 00:58:38 Right. 00:59:50 maybe it's something that would need to be done via readline 01:00:13 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.139] has joined #lisp 01:01:57 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.139] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:02:44 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 01:05:04 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.139] has joined #lisp 01:06:04 z1l0g: I agree, or via a readline-based wrapper such as rlwrap, however, emacs+slime also should be able to remember history 01:06:30 and its history is forms more than lines, which is more convenient 01:08:56 i.e. type meta-p at the SLIME REPL 01:10:06 heh, I'm hopelessly addicted to Vi 01:10:25 have you tried cold turkey? 01:10:26 -!- antonv [5d7d31e8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.125.49.232] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:10:28 pnq [~nick@AC810385.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:10:29 maybe slimv has similar functionality? 01:11:40 might be about to start clisp w/o readline then load the readline ASDF module I've been using w/ ECL 01:12:19 what crazy things people do just not to use emacs 01:12:27 yes... 01:12:30 __class__ [~class@99-105-56-217.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:39 or java 01:12:40 heh 01:12:41 ok, thanks 01:12:45 -!- z1l0g [~jgw@216.99.214.24] has quit [Quit: That's it for today] 01:21:52 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 01:22:04 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:20 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 01:31:08 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:24 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 01:32:38 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:08 Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@94.242.150.102] has joined #lisp 01:36:10 -!- pnq [~nick@AC810385.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:43 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:37:44 oiig_ [oiig_@112.161.134.227] has joined #lisp 01:37:56 -!- Whitesquall [~notwhites@94.242.145.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:39:53 -!- Whitesqu_ [~notwhites@94.242.150.102] has left #lisp 01:40:23 springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has joined #lisp 01:42:03 vpit3833 [~user@mail.protocomtechnology.com] has joined #lisp 01:42:46 ngx2 [~ng@c-98-211-222-243.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:50 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-23-67.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:43:28 como [~como@cpe-67-244-7-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:44:52 sup 01:47:45 -!- mikos [~mikos@188-223-31-58.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:49:55 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 01:50:23 -!- beetbot is now known as dxq 01:50:38 -!- dxq is now known as seabot 01:52:25 -!- vpit3833 [~user@mail.protocomtechnology.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:48 -!- timb_ is now known as timb 01:59:02 oops 01:59:39 I'm wondering if there is a function for Lisp like string.translate in Python? 02:00:40 adu [~ajr@pool-173-66-11-244.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:02:03 string.translate basically replaces characters in a string according to a translation table 02:02:09 -!- pun [~nor@gateway/tor-sasl/nif] has quit [Quit: Host computer in shutdown mode.] 02:04:42 gko [~gko@220.228.255.202] has joined #lisp 02:06:41 como: I don't think there is, but it seems easy to write, like (map-into seq (lambda (c) (or (cdr (assoc c translation-table)) c)) seq) 02:06:46 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:06:47 ISF [~ivan@187.106.49.167] has joined #lisp 02:07:59 it's inefficient though 02:08:21 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 02:08:57 What's inefficient about it? 02:09:37 assoc does linear search 02:10:36 Well, you could make one more like Python's. 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jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:04:01 ehu` [~ehuels@109.35.111.144] has joined #lisp 10:06:00 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.29.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:43 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:11:08 Is it possible/OK to define a method (defmethod) without a generic (defgeneric)? 10:11:19 add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-142-102.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 10:11:36 <|3b|> possible and more-or-less OK 10:11:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:12:14 you may get a warning on some compilers though 10:12:18 |3b|: I see. Well, I'll define a generic then. 10:12:31 -!- Hussaind [~hussain@115.124.115.71] has left #lisp 10:16:33 harish [~harish@cm50.beta157.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #lisp 10:16:55 jasox [~jasox@178.239.26.130] has joined #lisp 10:17:43 KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has joined #lisp 10:25:22 didi: how would you describe a method? 10:25:40 Xach: I don't know. 10:26:14 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 10:26:55 It might be easier to use a defun, then. 10:27:34 I was debugging a program, the problem was that I used assoc and since assoc always returns only the first value of success, it ignored the other associations in the list... did someone write a version of assoc that retrieves all the associations, not just the first one? 10:28:04 francogrex: sounds like a job for remove-if-not 10:28:26 you can use (remove :the-key alist :test-not #'eql :key #'car) 10:28:34 Xach: Even if I'm operating at a object? 10:32:36 Sure. 10:32:37 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.226.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:33:03 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.145.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:33:09 Interesting. 10:33:19 Well, depends on how you operate on the object. If you use slot-value and similar, better define a method, If you only call methods or accessor, you can have a function. 10:33:39 The choice is more about whether you need different versions of the function for different classes of the arguments. 10:34:04 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 10:34:51 Ah. Right. 10:36:46 -!- nydel [~jo@ip72-197-244-33.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:39:31 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@182.Red-88-7-133.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:42:48 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 10:43:54 -!- zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@catv-89-132-196-182.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 10:43:54 zolk3ri [~zolk3ri@unaffiliated/zolk3ri] has joined #lisp 10:44:47 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 10:49:15 nixfreak [~nix@mn-10k-dhcp1-5344.dsl.hickorytech.net] has joined #lisp 10:58:40 snearch [~snearch@f053008110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 11:01:31 H4ns: yes that's perfect the code you wrote 11:04:43 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:05:41 -!- springz [~springz@116.231.109.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:09:26 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 11:10:14 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-59-130.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #lisp 11:10:14 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@188-143-59-130.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Changing host] 11:10:14 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 11:11:19 francogrex: not really. 1- environment variables containing directory paths usually don't end with a slash. 11:11:44 I suspended reading after that 11:14:18 -!- CrLF0710` [~user@223.240.76.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:15:29 CrLF0710` [~user@223.240.76.2] has joined #lisp 11:16:12 noway [d8834814@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.131.72.20] has joined #lisp 11:22:42 -!- maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:23:04 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24:37 iLogical [~iLogical@unaffiliated/ilogical] has joined #lisp 11:26:16 -!- Koven is now known as Kovensky 11:26:39 bondar [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 11:30:12 saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0E2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #lisp 11:31:38 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:58 -!- noway [d8834814@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.131.72.20] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:34:18 Is (integerp 10/2) => T is a correct result? So 10/2 evaluates to 5 before integerp checks the number? 11:34:32 Yes. 11:35:00 pjb: Thank you! 11:35:00 10/2 #2r101 and 5. are syntaxes for the same object. 11:35:20 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-jnsjuyhsumzsbvzp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:35:41 maxm [~user@unaffiliated/maxm] has joined #lisp 11:37:48 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@037096130202.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 11:38:12 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:26 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-167-104.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:38:49 -!- Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:39:38 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:31 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has joined #lisp 11:44:17 hi 11:44:46 anyone has ever tryed to generate salteed MD5 hash using ironclad ? 11:47:07 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 11:47:37 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053008110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:47:38 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-lumsbwxtwfhntaxa] has joined #lisp 11:47:51 renard_: yes 11:47:54 I used MD5 for my MD5 needs. 11:48:21 do you have an example ? 11:49:09 There's an example of my use of MD5 in http://git.informatimago.com/viewgit/index.php?a=tree&p=public/domains&h=f7dcc1b17c7602c8ad61c758466c653ccd1b9ba9&hb=e5cea01c0c6033f91669c7aceba22f3e15a9c249&f=ddns 11:50:49 pjb: this is a MD5 digest right ? 11:51:00 Yes. 11:51:32 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@TK212017097035.teleweb.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:52:02 Ok thnaks I gonna play arround with that 11:56:17 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:57:52 pjb: dlowe http://paste.lisp.org/display/129115 11:57:53 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:05 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:06 Hum, Quicklisp seems to have lost the reference to a project that I created using quickproject. How do I make quicklisp remember the path so I can use `ql:quickload' again? 11:58:10 I don't think this is the right way to compute SMD5 11:59:03 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 12:00:52 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:04:58 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 12:06:09 -!- ehu` is now known as ehu 12:07:40 nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has joined #lisp 12:08:50 apathor [~apathor@c-24-218-104-106.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:10:13 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11:47 peterhil [~peterhil@gatekeeper.brainalliance.com] has joined #lisp 12:15:08 didi: create it in a path in asdf:*central-registry* or create it in ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 12:15:21 didi: or add the path to asdf:*central-registry* in your init file 12:17:01 Xach: Roger. 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/var/folders/Yu/YuNMNBNPGoqs9G-1Wmj1dk+++TI/-Tmp-/temp-6rdqdkd1 looks weird 13:53:40 H4ns: perhaps, I don't know cl-fad. 13:53:41 stassats: that is what my operating system sets TMPDIR to 13:54:01 what operating system is this? 13:54:03 pjb: then consider my reply being an assertion, not a question. 13:54:05 (setf (logical-pathname-translations "TEMPORARY-FILES") `(("*.*.*" ,default-temporary-directory))) 13:54:09 this doesn't do what you think it does. 13:54:14 stassats: it is called OSX, I think. 13:54:18 (if default-temporary-directory doesn't contain any :wild. 13:54:20 pjb: because? 13:54:24 that's what i thought 13:54:44 Kryztof [~user@81.174.155.115] has joined #lisp 13:55:08 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:56:47 pjb: can you elaborate a bit, please? i don't know logical pathnames well enough to understand what you say, but i'm eager to learn. 13:57:22 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:58:14 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[~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:02:50 In (when (probe-file (pathname ,stream)) (delete-file (pathname ,stream))) the probe-file has no point and no usefulness. 14:03:10 write (ignore-errors (delete-file (pathname ,stream))) instead. 14:03:13 pjb: delete-file will signal an error when the file does not exist, and i'm not fond of ignore-errors. 14:03:30 pjb: ignore-errors is painful with *debug-on-signals*. i never use it. 14:03:39 otherwise, IIRC, some implementation won't delete a file that's open. I'd have the file closed first. 14:03:50 H4ns: then just delete-file. 14:03:57 ok. 14:03:58 probe-file serves no purpose here. 14:04:12 the file could be deleted in-between probe-file and delete-file 14:04:24 you're right. i'm removing it. 14:04:34 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:45 jlongster [~user@pool-108-4-74-122.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:05:18 too bad there're no standardized fine-grained conditions 14:05:44 stassats: i totally agree. and not even those that are standardized are signalled by all implementation (see #+clisp in the top) 14:06:15 H4ns: congrats on pursuing this library so thoroughly. i like it. 14:07:31 H4ns: protip: (handler-case ... (x (e) (declare (ignore e)))) == (handler-case ... (x ())) 14:07:44 madnificent: thanks 14:07:48 stassats: thanks 14:08:17 *H4ns* loves code reviews 14:08:50 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 14:08:54 -!- mtd_ is now known as mtd 14:09:27 i often implement a class as a series of functionalities bulked together. so i build several classes, each one for a particular functionality, and then i can combine them at will. however, for some methods the combination of two classes requires a different implementation than just an :around method. currently, i define a class which inherits from those two classes and implement the method based on that. however, that's 14:09:27 what i want to say, the two classes could be included by two other class hierarchies which don't include the extra class. is there a library which allows me to specialize a method on the combination of several classes, instead of just one? or should i roll my own? 14:10:14 (for what it's worth: i don't know what term to look for either, this must be a known concept) 14:10:19 *stassats* grumbles, why do people have to rewrite their web interfaces every couple of months? /me does the nth rewrite of postage tracking scrapping script 14:10:31 at least they moved to json now, so it's easier to parse 14:10:34 stassats: they don't want you to have the data :) 14:11:15 well, json is easier to parse! 14:11:16 hiding data behind a ever changing API 14:11:31 before i used closure-html to parse it 14:12:07 JSON is nice. I use it as well. 14:12:17 H4ns: where will that documentation eventually reside? 14:12:41 Xach: let me check, can github host html pages? 14:12:46 and i wouldn't write a thing if i could bookmark post-site.domain?id=postage-id 14:12:50 -!- KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:58 H4ns: sorry, bad joke about the url looking transient. 14:13:15 H4ns: yes, github can host html pages (not sure how) 14:13:29 Xach: let me check. i'd prefer not to use netzhansa.com 14:13:40 *madnificent* would like to know how to do so as well 14:13:41 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:05 Something to do with creating a repo with a special name. 14:14:07 http://help.github.com/pages/ 14:15:01 i'll leave that for tomorrow night, need to turn to something else now. 14:15:04 oooh, nice. branch it to gh-pages 14:15:21 ehu` [~ehuels@109.33.53.207] has joined #lisp 14:16:15 there's still no way for drakma to specify content-type of the returned result? 14:17:32 stassats: i've not seen that as a bug report. has it been discussed? 14:17:50 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:17:51 i've seen questions before 14:18:17 i just resort to babel:octets-to-string 14:18:39 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 14:19:01 if you open an issue on github with your wishes, i might look at it. or send me a pull request. 14:19:21 i'm not to bothered by babel:octets-to-string so far 14:19:25 s/to/too/ 14:22:50 H4ns: fyi, the url you gave for github is your own private one 14:22:57 H4ns: but i can figure out the right public one 14:23:00 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:06 H4ns: here is the API I'd like to have: http://paste.lisp.org/+2RMM 14:23:16 Xach: ah, sorry. i copy and pasted too hastily 14:23:45 dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 14:24:05 ie. a single macro for both usage, with :disposition :keep or :disposition :delete ; :disposition :delete-early can be used to try to delete the file early (but knowing that some impplementations won't allow it, so it's ok, and we delete it after anyways). 14:24:38 Also, disposition can be given early or at run-time. 14:25:24 pjb: i'll look at it later - i'll probably keep the two macros, though, as the with-output-to-temporary-file is common usage and more concise 14:25:44 Then switch the default disposition to :delete 14:25:45 pjb: but the other stuff i'll probably use 14:26:21 err, no, if the default is with-output- that's what my with-temporary-file does, with disposition :keep by default. 14:26:43 H4ns: I've not tested my code ;-) 14:26:44 tensorpudding [~michael@99.32.56.172] has joined #lisp 14:26:46 not entirely - one will still have to return the pathname. 14:26:54 also, i don't like the ignore-errors 14:26:56 it returns the pathname with :keep. 14:27:11 Yes it's very annoying how WITH-OPEN-FILE is specified regarding an NLX out of its body. 14:27:12 Well, theproblem is that delete-file returns a lot of "spurious" errors 14:27:16 ah, ok - that i find slightly obscure 14:27:28 H4ns: otherwise, wrap them in restart-cases. 14:27:28 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:30 later on. 14:28:32 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:28:33 That's the problem when you want to make a new standard, or define a good library API, you need to try several solution to the proof of time :-) 14:28:35 dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #lisp 14:28:42 -!- tcr1 is now known as tcr 14:28:55 sure. i'm not claiming that the thing is finished 14:29:08 it is depressing how such an apparently small thing can eat so much time :) 14:29:20 KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has joined #lisp 14:29:25 For fun, go back and read the cll archives regarding SPLIT-SEQUENCE 14:30:11 that's the beauty of it, i think. it has a lot of tiny details. i doubt anyone would have seen/tackled them all without code-reviews. 14:30:11 H4ns: that's typical :-) 14:30:16 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.134.212] has joined #lisp 14:30:16 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@109.33.53.207] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:31:54 -!- |42| [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3aab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:55 H4ns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEFBR14 14:34:33 A similar story exists for /bin/true too. 14:35:08 |42| [user@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3aab] has joined #lisp 14:36:43 alright, converted scrapping to json, much easier than parsing html 14:36:54 for anyone interested, https://gist.github.com/1150794/ 14:40:12 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-181-99.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:04 it'd be more useful to make it somehow produce RSS, maybe once a day 14:41:15 or sending me an email upon changes 14:42:52 does anybody do mass-email sending from lisp? 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15:14:17 maxm: wasn't me 15:14:38 maxm: Posterdati was interested iirc 15:14:42 *maxm* must have been seeing things 15:15:02 stassats: it was you 15:15:12 but i wasn't asking for comments 15:15:13 maxm: and stassats hinted at you, i guess you've used it or have been working on it. 15:15:30 *madnificent* points guilty finger to stassats! 15:15:41 *stassats* goes to logs 15:15:52 well its hard to figure out if many ppl are using it or no with quicklisp 15:16:06 I made some small updates... Search is coming, but not there yet: 15:16:06 http://docbrowser.dhsdevelopments.com/ 15:16:08 maxm: pnathan was asking for comments 15:16:14 I had around 20+ clones within days of announcement, and two bug reports since then which I fixed the same day 15:16:18 sorry Posterdati, i was wrong 15:16:27 but since its now in quicklisp, had been no cloning activity 15:16:52 maxm: can log4cl send emails? 15:16:56 stassats: ah ok 15:16:57 with logs 15:17:08 -!- pers [~user@076-076-146-017.pdx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:17:08 stassats: you can write a custom appender that does 15:17:49 -!- dropster [~Kim@port284.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #lisp 15:18:03 stassats: or actually there is daily rolling file appender, which has a generic method for "roll-the-file " 15:18:16 which you can use to compress and email old log somewhere 15:18:17 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.16] has joined #lisp 15:18:25 i'm not really interested in logs part 15:18:29 only in the email part 15:18:55 *maxm* is too easy to troll I guess 15:19:08 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-399012.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 15:19:28 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:43 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-410358.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:20:13 -!- DrForr_ is now known as DrForr 15:20:24 i just want to send myself an email once a day with all the interesting stuff which is going on on my system 15:20:47 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 15:20:53 oh.. cron job and print to stdout 15:20:59 it will email it to you 15:21:15 no, that's boring 15:21:20 i want it to be fully-CL 15:21:25 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-195-213.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:21:30 in fact it will only email it if there is any output, so its good for verify-everything-is-in-the-correct-order.sh 15:21:43 [SLB] [~casper@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 15:22:21 minion: cl-cron? 15:22:22 on linux box piping into mail -s subject will work 15:22:22 cl-cron: cl-cron is a simple cron like library that allows you to set up cron-like jobs and run them at predetermined intervals. http://www.cliki.net/cl-cron 15:23:45 madnificent: hi, what's up? 15:23:53 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@182.Red-88-7-133.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:24:19 Posterdati: sorry, my memory was failing. i thought you asked a question yesterday, but i was wrang. shout at me once for disturbing me and walk along :) 15:24:39 oh 15:24:44 don't worry 15:24:51 where are you going pal? 15:25:11 X-Scale [name@2001:470:1f14:135b::2] has joined #lisp 15:25:18 -!- blackwol` is now known as blackwolf 15:26:12 drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has joined #lisp 15:26:38 Posterdati: my brain is wandering around everywhere at the moment. but i think i'm going to let it check out the old printer first :) 15:27:23 just sent myself an email with cl-smtp 15:27:28 through gmail to gmail, works fine 15:27:42 madnificent: are you involved in electrical circuits development/study? 15:27:48 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 15:28:16 wws [~billstcla@p-209-105-142-150.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 15:28:21 -!- BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:28:36 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:29:15 BeLucid [~belucid@cpe-066-057-057-247.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:29:46 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:30:13 -!- krrrcks [~krrrcks@krrrcks.de] has left #lisp 15:30:17 Posterdati: no, that must be someone else. i'm remotely interested to home automation and controlling hardware from the lisp world. but there's a gap in between 15:30:53 H4ns: Yesterday I suggested (after you left) to have a *required* argument to specify what to do with the file after the form is exited. It's value would just be :keep or :delete. What do you think? 15:30:57 madnificent: ah, ok I worked a little with a domotic company 15:31:20 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:31:31 With :keep, the pathname would be returned. With :delete, the body would be executed as an implicit progn. 15:31:52 Hexstream: that is what pjb's proposal does. i kind of like the two distinct macros, though. 15:32:14 H4ns: He didn't suggest a required argument, I don't think... 15:32:47 Hexstream: i have not looked at his code really. will do tomorrow morning. 15:33:18 Ok. 15:33:21 Hexstream: i don't quite like having a macro that deals with its body differently based on the arguments provided, in terms of the return value. 15:33:54 Maybe, but all the alternatives seem worse. ;P 15:34:05 what's bad about two macros? 15:34:35 It's a sensible solution. But it may not be immediately apparent to users what the difference between them is. 15:34:58 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:35:09 Especially if they know only of one and haven't seen the other. 15:35:21 You mean, like dolist? 15:35:37 Zhivago: dolist always returns its third argument. 15:35:37 Zhivago: What?... 15:36:15 Well, if you provide a non-nil third argument it acts differently to if you don't. :) 15:36:23 Not really. 15:36:36 The third argument default to NIL... 15:36:48 Re-read what I said. 15:36:57 defaults* 15:36:57 That's what is received, not what is provided. 15:37:00 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has left #lisp 15:37:35 The RESULT argument is an optional argument that defaults to NIL. Doesn't it? 15:38:22 Radium [~carbon@117.203.11.110] has joined #lisp 15:38:45 Hexstream: Zhivago is offering vapid accuracy. 15:38:51 Thus not supplying the argument is equivalent to supplying NIL. And, lo and behold, DOLIST happens to return NIL both if NIL is supplied or if the argument is not specified. 15:39:00 If the form does not provide it, then the macro assumes it is NIL. 15:39:15 I think he's been infected by the pjb-virus. 15:39:23 No. I just know how to read. 15:39:44 An obvious giveaway is "Re-read what I said." 15:40:13 Hexstream: you should've learned by now not to argue with Zhivago 15:40:19 *Zhivago* watches Hexstream meta-troll his time away. 15:40:20 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has joined #lisp 15:40:47 -!- Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:40:49 Instead of that, you could think about what 'provided' means, but no ... 15:42:39 metaphysician [~metaphysi@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 15:42:48 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@nat/redhat/x-lumsbwxtwfhntaxa] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:45:56 -!- CrLF0710` [~user@223.240.76.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:49:05 milanj [~milanj_@109-92-107-108.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:49:10 No, seriously. There is absolutely no semantic difference whatsoever between using DOLIST with or without a RESULT argument. 15:49:18 "only difference is that pig likes it " :-) 15:49:40 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:49:42 Is the provided form the same? 15:50:34 -!- KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:51:17 francisl_ [~flavoie@199.84.164.114] has joined #lisp 15:51:38 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@Lark.price.clarkson.edu] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:51:43 After argument defaulting? Knowing that DOLIST doesn't need to inspect "result-provided-p", I'd say yes. But a more accurate answer is: "this can't matter here anyway". 15:52:19 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-181-99.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52:19 -!- metaphysician [~metaphysi@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:27 -!- Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@chello084112185050.3.11.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: Fullmoon] 15:53:08 -!- wws [wws@clozure-2B71537A.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 15:53:16 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:54:16 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0117ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:54:38 -!- francisl [~flavoie@NFBONF.NFB.CA] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:38 -!- francisl_ is now known as francisl 15:54:48 -!- wws [~billstcla@p-209-105-142-150.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:55:00 Well, assuming by "Is the provided form the same?" you really meant: "Is specifying a RESULT of NIL the same as not specifying a RESULT at all?" 15:55:07 zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.14.87] has joined #lisp 15:55:56 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@2-230-138-74.ip202.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:57:32 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 15:59:41 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 15:59:58 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.183.152] has joined #lisp 16:00:13 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-021-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 16:03:36 -!- kaol_ is now known as kaol 16:04:12 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 16:04:29 nicdev_ [user@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fedf:4986] has joined #lisp 16:05:11 gigamonkey [~gigamonke@adsl-76-254-23-67.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:05:34 madnificent: are you involved in domotics? 16:05:37 gigamonkey: hi 16:05:46 hello 16:06:21 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0117ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:29 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.193.129.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:42 Hexstream: How could a literate person assume that? 16:09:13 Hexstream: Go and look up 'form' in the hyperspec glossary. 16:09:22 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:10:16 kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has joined #lisp 16:10:25 pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:10:43 snearch [~snearch@f053008110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 16:11:48 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d0117ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:10 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:14:08 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-038.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 16:14:57 stassats`: can you tell if making slime-operator-before-point an overrideable function (i.e. making it do (funcall slime-operator-before-point-function), and having the default slime-operator-before-point-function be the existing implementation) would pass muster? 16:16:03 jollyG [~JollyG@KennPAT.uncc.edu] has joined #lisp 16:16:05 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-97-54.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:16:15 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:51 hi 16:17:07 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-31-148.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:13 is there a way to simplify http://paste.lisp.org/display/129121 by removing the setf in some manner ? 16:17:36 Kryztof: no idea, but that's a common pattern, so i'd think it has a chance of passing 16:18:22 renard_: there's no point. If it works like it is, then it's good. 16:18:23 renard_: you don't need PROGN 16:18:33 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:18:39 stassats: well,I tend to put one because emacs doesn't indent it correctly. 16:18:53 fix your emacs 16:19:00 pjb: thanks 16:19:05 stassats ok lets try 16:19:05 Sure. But it's rather complicated to fix indenting of loop 16:19:34 renard_: you could use for nr = x then y syntax 16:19:42 pjb: I was told using setf in a loop is a bad lispy way for a such loop 16:19:57 renard_: CL is paradygm neutral. 16:20:05 renard_: by whom? 16:20:26 dlowe: I tried but the problem is nr = INITIAL-VALUE then FORMULA ds not fit that example 16:20:39 renard_: furthermore, when you're implementing an algorithm specified in a certain way, it's safer to transcribe it the same way, rather than try to rewrite it in a different style. 16:20:48 since INITIAL-VALUE is used for the first loop 16:21:07 renard_: that code is fine. 16:21:12 and the algorythm need a computed value for the first loop 16:21:26 dlowe: by a friend of mine 16:21:38 renard_: well, imo :-) 16:21:39 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0E2B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:46 renard_: your friend needs to back the f off 16:21:49 imho 16:21:50 Ok thanks guyes 16:22:01 dlowe: he would read it  :-) 16:22:01 renard_: your friend may be a true scotsman, but sometimes you need setf 16:22:31 i would've used more LDB and stuff 16:22:32 renard_: and grats for having an ipv6 addy 16:23:22 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:24:10 stassats ok thanks works nice without the progn 16:24:37 well what I said to renard_ is that I tend to dislike setf as not being functional style 16:25:06 I didn't say that you have to code in a functional style when doing CL, it's just personal preference 16:25:09 I didnt told them it was you  :) 16:25:15 who cares about functional style 16:25:16 yeah :) 16:25:22 renard_: if you limit setf to local variables, it's ok. Don't mutate external data. 16:25:38 pjb: ok nice to hear that 16:25:56 -!- developernotes [~user@173-18-189-145.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:55 pjb: hi 16:31:58 stassats: hi 16:32:25 don't say "hi" to everyone 16:34:15 may I say "ok"? 16:34:31 no 16:34:37 heh 16:34:43 ok 16:35:21 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.183.152] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:36:30 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960550.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:35 if you will say "hi" three hundred times, it'll be a mess, if you say "hi" to only a couple of people, the other 298 will feel left out, so it's better just to broadcast "hi" 16:36:39 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-92-107-108.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:16 hi 16:37:31 stassats: but my first "hi" was for all 16:37:51 KognizantKog [~user@72.168.55.98] has joined #lisp 16:38:14 jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-216.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:38:44 mrunal [mpatel@nat/redhat/x-xxzxfqlaoiiqgxpr] has joined #lisp 16:38:51 -!- nanoc [~conanhome@201-251-62-201.static.speedy.com.ar] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 16:41:50 -!- mrunal [mpatel@nat/redhat/x-xxzxfqlaoiiqgxpr] has left #lisp 16:42:40 Everyone but stassats, with stassats explicitly excluded: Hi. stassats: Hi. 16:42:53 :) 16:44:05 '(stassars all) 16:44:20 sorry 16:44:30 (setf channel '(stassats all)) 16:44:41 (greet (rest channel)) 16:44:53 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.183.152] has joined #lisp 16:45:13 Hooray for moronic bullshit. 16:45:42 ah the sheriff 16:45:56 ehu` [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 16:48:33 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has left #lisp 16:48:53 -!- sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:48:59 -!- ehu` is now known as ehu 16:50:31 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:51:03 -!- [SLB] [~casper@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Il motivo per cui le persone sono meravigliose, non è forse perché credono nei sentimenti e uniscono le loro vite? ]] 16:51:35 -!- jollyG [~JollyG@KennPAT.uncc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:56 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442426.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 16:53:51 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@182.Red-88-7-133.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:08 -!- pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:00:36 -!- tcr [~tcr@178-83-229-138.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:01:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-038.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:02:27 pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:02:48 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:03:26 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-038.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:05:15 Froward [~uh-oh@206.231.99.110] has joined #lisp 17:06:24 -!- drl [~lat@110.139.229.172] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:40 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:09:51 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:09:53 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has joined #lisp 17:12:29 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-96-254-154-58.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:12:29 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-96-254-154-58.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:12:29 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 17:13:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-038.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:14:13 -!- Kvaks [~kvaks@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:14:22 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:23 Kvaks [~kvaks@15.123.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 17:14:28 ferada [~ferada@dslb-188-097-116-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:06 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-026.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 17:16:39 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:17:39 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-syidstxrsjervmyk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:19:31 Sgeo [~sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 17:19:53 dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:21:38 sykopomp: where could I read about how to benchmark conserv? also, what cl are you doing most of your development in? 17:22:48 dekuked: SBCL and CCL. madnificent is one person to ask about benchmarking, since he was the one running them. What I do is really just slam various versions of hello world with some http benchmarking tools. 17:24:10 Usually httperf 17:24:58 sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has joined #lisp 17:26:18 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:26:44 cyphase_ [~cyphase@adsl-99-22-94-144.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:29:31 Of course, if you're doing things the http way, then that ought to be cached, so ... 17:30:09 tcr [~tcr@84-72-21-32.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 17:30:30 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs78186070.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:34:22 -!- cyphase_ is now known as cyphase 17:34:34 Zhivago: the benchmark is really just to test how fast (and how many) connections can be handled, with very basic, uncalculated output. 17:34:34 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:34:38 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@adsl-99-22-94-144.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:34:38 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 17:35:13 Yeah. The point is that that shouldn't be interesting to anyone. 17:36:21 Zhivago: it was interesting to me while developing. 17:36:29 I'm looking for an existing project/lib allowing me to push new data in a webpage (ajax) and refresh charts or the like, think live monitoring of a CL written daemon, any tip? 17:37:16 syko: It probably shouldn't have been, since that's the exact case that shouldn't occur in prouction. 17:37:28 -!- pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 17:38:10 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189368.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:38:46 -!- sn0rri [~sn0rri@62.169.219.149] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:39:19 -!- seangrov` [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:22 pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:39:43 Zhivago: that's, like, your opinion, man. 17:40:05 i'm new to lisp, and am trying to build a turn based game engine. any tips on getting started? 17:40:33 pirateking-_-: /join 3lispgames 17:40:34 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-399012.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:40:35 err 17:40:36 #lispgames 17:40:39 thank you 17:40:39 check out lisperati too 17:40:54 pirateking-_-: otherwise, start with an openining parenthesis, name an operator, list the arguments, and close the parenthesis. 17:41:50 to be more specific i am trying to implement the ruleset of an existing popular collectible card game in lisp 17:42:56 pirateking-_-: there's a number of technologies you can use, depending on what you want. There's bindings for SDL and opengl available for lisp, as well as a good number of web-related libraries. 17:43:03 wasn't there a similar example in "gentle introduction to symbolic computation"? 17:43:05 dim: lisperati is awesome 17:43:35 sykopomp: I think pirateking-_- wants something more basic, like implementing the logic. 17:43:35 I'm not interested in graphics of any sort for this project, i will be doing that using objective-c 17:43:46 but the backend will be in lisp 17:43:50 prxq: correct 17:43:50 mucker [~harsha@183.83.227.117] has joined #lisp 17:43:51 pirateking-_-: :) 17:45:08 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-189368.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:09 would implementing the ruleset in lisp, instead of say ruby or objective-c, offer any benefits? 17:45:23 -!- Zemyla_ is now known as Zemyla 17:46:00 [SLB] [~casper@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 17:46:27 of course, you'd be doing lisp instead :) 17:46:37 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385824.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:46:43 if anyone is familiar with the rules of the game magic: the gathering, you know that there are a ton of unforseen edge cases that can popup 17:46:50 pirateking-_-: check ecl if you want to merge Lisp code into Objective-C. 17:47:24 or ccl, right? 17:47:25 pirateking-_-: otherwise, check ccl, which allows you to write the GUI in lisp too, and along with my Objective-CL reader macro, let you write [received messageWith:argument] in lisp too. 17:48:43 -!- pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:48:55 pirateking: You might find that a declarative constraint style, like prolog, helps for that kind of problem. 17:49:02 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-398262.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:50:25 pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:50:45 -!- zhangkaizhao [~zhangkaiz@27.47.14.87] has quit [Quit: ] 17:51:08 Phoodus [~foo@wsip-68-107-217-139.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 17:51:26 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 17:51:41 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385824.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:53:38 one thing that would be nice, is to be able to change a rule, and automatically have any other rule that is dependent on the changed one, to properly re-evaluate 17:53:54 based on the higher level rules of the system 17:55:03 -!- pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55:27 It's more likely that you want a set of rules in play, and to evaluate them in two phases -- the first to see which rules are applicable this turn, and the second to apply their effects. 17:55:30 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.183.152] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:55:36 pirateking-_-: check KR or Cells. 17:55:49 Otherwise you'll run into issues with dependency orderings. 17:56:14 pirateking-_-: reminds me a little bit of will hartung's post at https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/86cf454beb8a42f9?&noredirect 17:56:57 pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:59:13 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:00:21 so, streaming values to the browser from hunchentoot or the like and have charts redrawn thanks to some json data flow, any existing project? :) 18:00:39 what about polling? 18:00:40 -!- Posterdati [~tapioca@host187-229-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:00:59 that could work too yes 18:01:04 Xach: awesome, that was a very nice read 18:01:23 I don't know about javascript at all so I did want to have a much as possible happen server side 18:02:48 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 18:03:38 sn0rri [~sn0rri@79.167.210.236] has joined #lisp 18:03:51 dim: if you want to stream data to the browser, you'll be better off learning javascript. it is not a big language and it is actually fairly nice. 18:04:09 dim: are you using websockets? 18:04:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-026.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:04:54 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:06:26 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-026.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #lisp 18:06:53 -!- pokes [~pp@69.164.222.10] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:07:25 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-317655.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 18:07:36 -!- kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-398262.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:10:12 TimKack [~user@c-2ec2ae98-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined #lisp 18:10:17 CampinSam [~Sam@24-176-98-217.dhcp.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #lisp 18:13:36 Posterdati [~tapioca@host107-237-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:14:46 -!- pnq [~nick@AC826F62.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:50 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:15:21 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 18:15:27 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.226] has joined #lisp 18:15:37 -!- snearch [~snearch@f053008110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:15:56 H4ns: parenscript might do the trick 18:16:04 pirateking-_-: nothing at all yet 18:16:32 dim: parenscript does not save you from having to learn how javascript actually works in the browser. 18:16:49 just wondering how to best publish internal data from a running CL program, and I think embedding a web server and doing the UI as an interactive web app is the way to go 18:17:31 dim: i agree. i'd use hunchentoot. there is a hunchentoot websockets integration thing, but i've not looked at it in a while. 18:17:42 dim: for something old-school, there's cl-snmp 18:17:52 ideal if you want to wire your lisp image up to nagios 18:18:57 hagish [~hagish@p5DCBCC88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:19:53 I've used hunchentoot+clws for websockets. I wouldn't recommend using the hunchentoot websockets thing unless you expect to have fewer than 100 users, ever. 18:19:58 well I think I first want a nice UI 18:20:42 dim: sykopomp is right. don't use hunchentoot + websockets if you plan to have hundreds of concurrent users. 18:20:44 FreeArtMan [~fam@213.175.106.134] has joined #lisp 18:20:45 Xach: first use case is a benchmarking program, I want to see what's happening inside, second use case is a data loader, third use case a kind of interactive monitoring app 18:21:27 H4ns: I don't, and websockets are not something that looks like high concurrency indeed (more like keep alive...) 18:21:55 dim: clws is able to handle a large number of concurrent clients on a single thread. 18:22:08 and it's easy enough to integrate with a hunchentoot app. 18:22:13 the bench and loader cases would typically see a single user, maybe a couple of them 18:22:36 and clws is in quicklisp 18:22:49 Xach: I'm missing the project URL in the system-apropos output 18:24:04 sykopomp: thx for clws it looks exactly like what I want 18:24:21 PissedNumlock [~resteven@igwe32.vub.ac.be] has joined #lisp 18:24:25 dim: I'm not sure where to put it. 18:24:33 I would probably then try to hook it up with google charts or maybe http://code.shutterstock.com/rickshaw/ 18:24:47 dim: the downside of using clws is that you can't share ports. Not that big a deal, imo, though. 18:25:00 Xach: # 18:25:12 share ports? 18:25:27 oh, do some other web stuff on the same port 18:25:34 like static pages + websockets 18:25:36 mmm 18:25:39 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 18:25:47 right, your websocket server needs to listen on a different port than your webserver. 18:25:49 dim: for a nice UI, maybe you can look at d3.js (http://mbostock.github.com/d3/) 18:26:23 dim: I'm not so sure. That could get pretty ugly. 18:26:34 but the ws url isn't really something the user ever sees, so it's not a big deal, and you might be able to hide it using a proxy. 18:26:54 it would save me time 18:28:02 sykopomp: yeah you can have an hunchentoot webserver delivering pages containing URLs to the other thread doing websocket stuff, I think 18:28:50 is there a way conconvert a string to a little-endian byte array ? 18:29:21 renard_: that is a bit hard to understand. 18:29:29 coerce, and bytes are endianless 18:29:30 such as : "ArtifLo23" => #(4100 7200 7400 6900 6600 4c00 6f00 3200 3300) 18:29:30 renard_: what does the string represent? 18:30:12 Xach: it is to hash passwords 18:30:30 renard_: you could make something simple with char-code and multiplication. 18:30:31 I need this for deprecated LM Hash 18:30:38 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-026.vpn.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:51 -!- dim [~dim@prometheus.naquadah.org] has left #lisp 18:30:53 such as (ash c << 8)  ? 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19:54:12 I made changes. Only the fickle opinion of users will say if they are improvements. 19:55:01 Xach: now there's an author and description keys in the .asd file 19:55:56 ignas [~ignas@78.63.105.97] has joined #lisp 19:56:14 http://xach.com/lisp/quickproject/ has some of the details 19:57:15 would be fine to integrate quickproject in emacs 19:57:27 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-060-128.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:57:51 clintm [~clintm@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:33 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442426.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:58:53 impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1176442426.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 20:03:45 what xml/html parsers are recommended? Tried to load xmls (using quicklisp), but it ruined everything 20:05:37 s-xml is nice 20:07:05 daimrod: oh, found it on the cliki, but where is the documentation? 20:07:30 follow the 1st link 20:07:39 paul0: you can also use cxml 20:07:39 http://common-lisp.net/project/s-xml/ 20:07:56 oh, the first link is the project page, didn't noticed that, thanks 20:08:04 Fullmoon [~Fullmoon@dsl-stat-43-17.mmc.at] has joined #lisp 20:08:06 cxml is what i use and enjoy 20:08:12 closure-html for html 20:08:28 -!- clintm [~clintm@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: clintm] 20:08:36 *Fade* seconds Xach on both counts 20:09:18 oh, I've used closure-html once 20:09:59 just playing around with CL again, unfortunately I don't have much time to spend with it 20:10:28 -!- ASau` [~user@95-25-227-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:39 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 20:11:25 -!- naiv 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I was wondering: Should I use this? I question it because while setting the callback, an object might be at address X but later, Lisp might have moved the object to another memory address. 23:22:39 23:22:39 23:22:55 didi: the solution is simple: 23:23:08 create an array on the lisp side 23:23:25 store items in that array 23:23:35 then use (cffi:make-pointer index) to pass the index of an item through the pointer 23:23:48 and (cffi:pointer-address) to get it out. 23:23:55 the array acts as indirection to handle any possible GC issues. 23:24:09 and introduces next to no overhead. 23:24:53 Ralith: Awesome. thank you. 23:25:03 np ^^ 23:29:47 -!- dekuked [~user@pool-108-20-217-59.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:30:14 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:32 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:34:35 como [~como@cpe-67-244-7-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:40:12 -!- _death is now known as adeht 23:41:20 MrBusiness [~MrBusines@184.99.7.19] has joined #lisp 23:41:43 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-173-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:37 homie [~levgue@78.35.173.141] has joined #lisp 23:43:58 -!- wyan [~wyan@92.243.10.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:44:20 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 23:44:49 rstill [~rstill@12.104.148.2] has joined #lisp 23:45:27 oiig_ [~eohnik@112.161.134.227] has joined #lisp 23:45:45 -!- rstill [~rstill@12.104.148.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:32 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-97-54.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:46:34 kephas [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-4-228.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 23:47:06 wyan [~wyan@92.243.10.205] has joined #lisp 23:47:15 rstill [~rstill@12.104.148.2] has joined #lisp 23:49:07 mensch_ [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:49:08 dnm__ [~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 23:50:10 -!- ghuntley [~ghuntley@CPE-60-225-85-11.hhui2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:10 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50:10 -!- dnm_ [~dnm@li97-254.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:48 -!- rstill [~rstill@12.104.148.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:51 -!- FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:53:34 ghuntley [~ghuntley@CPE-60-225-85-11.hhui2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:55:20 -!- ainm [~ainm@238.Red-83-33-83.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:56:29 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:15 FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp