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I've bookmarked it. 00:24:32 that is the reader macro stuff, right? 00:24:34 anything else in tehre? 00:25:19 -!- prip [~foo@host189-124-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:21 pnq [~nick@AC8101D0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 00:28:01 sammi` [sammi@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-pbklkzeslqbokmav] has joined #lisp 00:33:48 -!- Kynes` [~GTSpyVan1@adsl-75-0-10-84.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 00:34:00 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:34:35 sunmix [~user@223.204.153.142] has joined #lisp 00:34:42 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 00:35:44 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:01 specbot [~specbot@pppoe.178-66-34-163.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 00:37:09 stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has joined #lisp 00:37:24 minion [~minion@pppoe.178-66-34-163.dynamic.avangarddsl.ru] has joined #lisp 00:38:05 S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has joined #lisp 00:38:35 prip [~foo@host239-123-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 00:40:12 Kynes` [~GTSpyVan1@adsl-75-0-10-84.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 00:46:00 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 00:46:28 -!- dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:46:47 any way to get CCL to do single-stepping? 00:46:57 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-216-155-214-172.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:08 -!- c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.1.47] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:39 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A246A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:07 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.147.46] has joined #lisp 00:52:58 tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has joined #lisp 00:55:55 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:56:42 pjb: that's ccl only? 00:58:28 kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-71.rev.home.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:58:38 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:09 -!- nialo` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:36 Phoon [~tanuki@pool-71-180-6-96.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:03:19 I'm trying to implement this function in a 'clean' way, but I can't figure it out. (Actually, I'm using CLIPS, but its syntax is Lisp-esque.) 01:04:24 I'm trying to scale one value according to another; given minimum, maximum, and current focal length, plus minimum and maximum aperture, I want to calculate current aperture 01:05:44 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:39 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07:23 I know how I'd do it in imperative languages or something like ML 01:11:13 <|3b|> well, CL is an imperative language, so we'd just say 'do it that way then' 01:11:33 alternatively, CL is pretty laid back about how you do stuff, so do it how you'd like 01:11:33 Hrm. 01:11:35 <|3b|> however you'd do it in ML would probably work too for that matter 01:12:37 two- [~textual@c-67-171-131-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:12:55 *|3b|* isn't sure where imperative or not matters for that task though, unless you are counting assigning to temporary variables or something 01:13:20 whatever's less boring 01:13:24 boring code is always boring 01:14:15 CLIPS looks like an expert system, not a programming language in the traditional sense? 01:14:30 -!- prip [~foo@host239-123-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:14:53 prip [~foo@host239-123-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 01:14:55 hmm, sorry, I guess I have been assuming you're talking about CL. 01:15:07 And having parentheses doesn't mean that it has anything to do with Lisp, really. 01:20:56 -!- prip [~foo@host239-123-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:25:10 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has joined #lisp 01:25:26 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-252-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 01:25:37 -!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:26:18 -!- tr-808 [brambles@unaffiliated/contempt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:27:38 -!- Radium_ [~carbon@117.203.17.209] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:52 adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-252-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:28:31 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@78-0-206-93.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:29:25 Radium [~carbon@117.203.0.86] has joined #lisp 01:30:35 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-26-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 01:33:33 prip [~foo@host61-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 01:35:39 BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:45 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-107-3-142-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:45 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:40:50 LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-16-203.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:47:05 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-178-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:26 rme [~rme@50.43.187.220] has joined #lisp 01:48:54 homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-178-141.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 01:55:12 Matt__ [aefcc74f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.199.79] has joined #lisp 01:55:47 -!- BeWhy [~chatzilla@c-76-124-138-194.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193829]] 01:55:49 Earlier, I once on this channel and asked about good videos for learning lisp, and I found one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-BFgErib4k. Thought I should share 02:00:42 I switched my com.informatimago libraries to AGPL3. 02:01:15 Shaftoe: yes, all my CL libraries are in there. 02:01:26 Check the new README.pdf ;-) 02:03:19 This little CL program should help newbies find out what implementation they want to use: https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/small-cl-pgms/what-implementation.lisp 02:05:24 "Please, start writing a new Common Lisp implementation." 02:05:48 BruceLisp 02:07:22 -!- Radium [~carbon@117.203.0.86] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:39 mjonsson [~mjonsson@38.109.95.185] has joined #lisp 02:08:50 -!- DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:10:31 S11001001: there are surprisingly a big number of CL implementations. I don't even try to be exhaustive. 02:10:55 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has left #lisp 02:14:00 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has joined #lisp 02:17:21 BruceLisp would make me very happy 02:17:22 NIF in cl-user 02:19:22 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129057010.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:31 pjb, isn't ECL mostly written in C? 02:22:06 -!- Matt__ [aefcc74f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.199.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:08 IIRC, no, it's written in CL. 02:22:11 Let's check. 02:22:51 You're right, it's written in 1126 .c files vs. 101 .lisp files. 02:23:24 pjb: maybe most of the features are still in the .lisp files? 02:23:44 Updated. 02:24:16 By the way, I'm in the process of collecting *features* too; I'll add the results to that *implementations* db. 02:24:26 (well, in a couple of weeks). 02:24:35 plateforms? 02:24:56 i was wondering about that 02:25:03 All I can find (Linux MacOSX MS-Windows-7 and MS-Windows-XP, and I'll install a FreeBSD VM just for it). 02:25:24 knowing pjb, though, plateforms could be some ancient etymology of platform 02:25:32 I have ppc and v various Athlon and Intel processors. 02:26:08 Well, ok, billions platform vs. millions plateform. 02:26:29 c0atz1n_ [~c0atz1n@189.224.2.58] has joined #lisp 02:27:25 -!- c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.224.147.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:29:50 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-74-96-16-203.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:01 -!- mensch [~mensch@c-67-189-240-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:31:15 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31:59 http://www.plateformag.com/spip.php?page=sommaire&lang=en 02:32:31 Zhivago: in French for example, it's plateforme. 02:33:38 And you can tweeter about it. 02:36:08 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 02:36:31 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8101D0.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 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visiting the file.asd buffer? 06:46:03 M-x slime-load-system 06:46:21 hrm my slime doesn't have that 06:46:28 needs slime-asdf 06:48:11 I get component not found 06:48:30 it's not an asdf system 06:48:36 it's a slime-contrib 06:48:43 not the slime thingy, for my file.asd 06:48:43 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-110.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:48:54 just trying the asdf:load-system 06:49:14 well, it needs to be in the load path of asdf 06:49:33 well, it got loaded once 06:49:36 not sure how 06:49:48 i'm trying to get a weblocks project going 06:50:18 i added a dir and file to the src dir, and updated the asd file's deps 06:50:19 ezakimak: you can try pressing C-c C-~ in file.asd buffer and then do (asdf:load-system 'file) 06:50:43 C-c C-~ is undefined 06:50:52 just C-c ~ 06:51:43 that will assume that asdf is configured to load things in the current directory 06:51:51 prip [~foo@host61-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 06:52:00 if that fails, try to C-c C-l on file.asd and then doing (asdf:load-system 'file) 06:52:42 but if you're planning on loading it in the future, add it to the central registry of asdf, or to local-projects of quicklisp, or whatever the cool kids do nowadays 06:52:51 what do I put for 'file ? "file" or "file.asd" ? 06:53:00 'file 06:53:37 "file", :file, '#:file will work as well 06:53:44 -!- adu [~ajr@pool-71-241-252-15.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: adu] 06:54:29 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:54:42 unsymbol [~unsymbol@unaffiliated/unsymbol] has joined #lisp 06:55:39 hrm. getting a non-descript compile error 06:55:53 it's compiling file.lisp 06:56:38 -!- S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has quit [Quit: sleep] 06:56:39 oh. i see 06:56:54 it's erring because it's compiling file.lisp from file-asd package 06:57:23 but file.lisp does in-package at the top. hrm. 07:02:58 does the package it uses exists at that moment? 07:05:05 -!- killown [~geek@unaffiliated/killown] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:05:52 afaik 07:06:03 it's all working, i can update stuff and see changes in the web pages 07:06:20 i can load each .lisp file one-at-a-time still to update 07:09:12 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:09:56 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-84-44-178-141.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:35 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 07:11:35 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-194-86.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 07:12:11 -!- jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:14:27 -!- Bike [~Glossina@75-175-22-210.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 07:16:18 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.104.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:16:27 shifty`` [~user@114-198-37-54.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 07:17:31 -!- teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:17:43 -!- Euthydemus` [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:17:55 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@h77-53-198-146.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has joined #lisp 07:18:00 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@h77-53-198-146.dynamic.se.alltele.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:18:00 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 07:18:30 -!- shifty` [~user@114-198-37-54.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19:08 teiresias [~teiresias@archlinux/trusteduser/teiresias] has joined #lisp 07:21:40 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-134-59.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 07:22:56 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-147-252.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:23:03 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:23:06 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@50.Red-88-11-24.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 07:23:19 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:20 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 07:26:37 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:35:26 jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-85.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 07:37:15 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:38:03 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 07:40:25 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:40:48 treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has joined #lisp 07:41:06 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.255.164] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:54:08 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-134-59.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:56:16 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:57:41 Beetny` [~Beetny@ppp118-208-10-103.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:58:33 -!- impulse32 [~impulse@bas3-toronto48-1177960550.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:58:57 MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-129-109.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 07:59:49 Aceofspades [6ce01995@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.224.25.149] has joined #lisp 07:59:49 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-10-103.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:00:17 -!- Aceofspades [6ce01995@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.224.25.149] has quit [Client Quit] 08:04:15 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:57 Matt [aefcc4ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.196.202] has joined #lisp 08:06:23 -!- Matt is now known as Guest88473 08:06:29 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-2.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:46 diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-2.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 08:06:54 Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has joined #lisp 08:07:13 (print (* 3 4)) (let ((* 4) (/ 3))(print (+ * /))) is my code, but it's failing, does anyone know why? Shouldn't it print out first "12", and then "7"? 08:07:26 what am I missing? 08:08:50 It works if my symbols are letters, however. But I thought that a symbol can be named anything? 08:09:11 teggi_ [~teggi@113.173.29.162] has joined #lisp 08:10:31 Guest88473, what is it doing 08:10:39 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 08:10:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.62.38] has joined #lisp 08:10:50 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.62.38] has quit [Changing host] 08:10:50 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:10:53 * and / are special symbols referring to the last result, btw 08:10:55 edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #lisp 08:11:43 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:12:06 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 08:12:35 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.173.29.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:14:24 What is the plural of apropos? 08:14:30 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 08:15:40 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 08:15:40 -!- rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rdnbiiwfhlqwvxin] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:16:08 rvirding [u5943@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-igvfyedckhsxoeck] has joined #lisp 08:16:40 borkman [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 08:17:46 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-232-253.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18:16 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-9-35-41-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Client Quit] 08:18:58 ZabaQ: `apropos' is not a noun ... 08:19:33 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:19:47 apropos facts. 08:20:41 Houl: You are right. But what happens when you have two systems loaded with two different apropos functions and you want to describe the situation? I guess 'apropos functions' has to be the plural noun phrase. 08:20:59 jathd [~user@mon69-5-88-169-253-165.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:21:25 Or, perhaps, mechanisms. 08:21:33 benny` [~benny@i577A853D.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 08:23:42 -!- Guest88473 [aefcc4ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.252.196.202] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25:20 -!- prip [~foo@host61-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:26:02 In Denmark there is a noun apropos, meaning "aside". Maybe you could use the danish plural "aproposer"? 08:26:04 prip [~foo@host61-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 08:29:00 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has joined #lisp 08:29:54 dna` [~user@41.215.130.236] has joined #lisp 08:30:38 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:31 ZabaQ1 [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 08:31:41 -!- ZabaQ1 [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Client Quit] 08:34:56 -!- Houl [~Parmi@unaffiliated/houl] has quit [Quit: weil das Wetter so schön ist] 08:36:50 mcox` [~user@203-206-28-125.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 08:37:35 Which code search engine is best for ferreting out interesting bits of Common Lisp? 08:38:17 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:38:25 -!- mcox [~user@203-206-28-125.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:40:55 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 08:41:22 -!- benny` is now known as benny 08:41:31 -!- mcox` [~user@203-206-28-125.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:42:00 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 08:42:09 -!- pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-107-3-142-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: pirateking-_-] 08:45:47 -!- lebro [~monx@ool-18bc4a28.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:46:00 Buglouse [~Buglouse@176.31.24.226] has joined #lisp 08:46:14 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 08:47:43 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-182-232-253.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 08:50:31 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:52:25 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:52:31 araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has joined #lisp 08:52:31 -!- araujo [~araujo@190.38.61.1] has quit [Changing host] 08:52:31 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 08:53:07 add^_ [~add^_^@m83-185-142-102.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 08:54:03 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 08:59:01 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:01:09 -!- Radium [~carbon@117.203.9.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:06:14 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:07:04 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:08:06 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 09:11:16 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 09:13:52 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Client Quit] 09:16:22 mathslinux [~user@106.3.63.206] has joined #lisp 09:16:48 -!- mathslinux [~user@106.3.63.206] has left #lisp 09:17:18 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 09:19:18 -!- prip [~foo@host61-196-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:21:38 pirateking-_- [~piratekin@c-67-169-182-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:21:44 smatt454 [~smatt454@c-68-62-82-189.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 09:27:00 ivan-kanis [~user@80.101.204.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:26 prip [~foo@host113-82-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 09:32:33 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:32:44 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@178-10-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 09:35:10 saeftl [cbauerm@pestilenz.org] has joined #lisp 09:36:24 some component of cl+ssl (gotten from quicklisp) is complains about missing libpthread symbols on OpenBSD. how to fix? 09:37:56 what are the symbol missing ? 09:37:57 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 09:38:03 *missing symbols 09:39:07 ZabaQ [~johnfredc@ip-89-176-173-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 09:39:07 sbcl:/usr/local/lib/libnspr4.so.21.1: undefined symbol 'pthread_cond_signal' 09:39:15 loads of that 09:40:12 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.202.245] has left #lisp 09:40:18 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-013-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 09:40:19 pthread_cond_signal() exists on openbsd 09:40:35 -!- galdor_ is now known as galdor 09:40:35 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 09:40:54 joachifm [~user@2001:1ad8:c:a4b:2e27:d7ff:fea9:27b6] has joined #lisp 09:40:58 yes, but it's in libpthread, which seems not to be linked in 09:41:22 saeftl: it might be obvious, but did you build sbcl with threads enabled? 09:41:55 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-133-83.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 09:42:12 h4ns: i did not, the package system did. but will check 09:42:25 nope 09:42:52 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 09:43:16 saeftl: i'd try loading libpthread explicitly to support the threaded c libraries 09:43:19 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-2-129-109.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:43:29 how ? 09:44:06 (in c i'd know :) 09:44:33 cffi:load-foreign-library may work 09:44:55 if you don't have cffi loaded, you'll have to use the sbcl specific way which i don't know from my head. 09:45:30 LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has joined #lisp 09:45:51 but i wonder why loading libnspr4 did not automatically load libpthread. that does not seem quite right. 09:45:53 sb-alien:load-shared-object 09:46:13 maybe libnspr4 doesn't support multithreading on openbsd 09:46:41 why would it call pthread_cond_signal then? 09:48:04 galdor: did not help 09:48:27 i'll check the nspr lib. 09:48:32 saeftl: it may sound unhelpful, but openbsd is not a good platform for lisp beginners. 09:48:32 thanks all 09:48:42 h4ns: i noticed 09:48:46 :) 09:48:55 linux works best if you seek support here 09:49:01 ok 09:49:03 now that rthreads are included in -current, it may improve in the future 09:49:26 bbl 09:52:23 francogrex [~user@109.130.82.27] has joined #lisp 09:53:31 where do you look for recent projects usually? i look in recent changes in cliki and every now and then planet lisp site. Anywhere else? 09:53:38 BigHugeDog [~QQ@221.0.11.215] has joined #lisp 09:53:50 the topic here 09:54:15 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:20 github has listing of active projects per language 09:55:39 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 09:56:42 github.com/explore Ctrl-F common lisp RET Recently Updated 09:57:47 Hmm 09:57:58 Google Code doesn't have a good way to search in a similar way 09:58:04 -!- cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:58:11 Dalek_Baldwin [~Adium@71-84-33-22.dhcp.mtpk.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 09:58:20 cods [~cods@tuxee.net] has joined #lisp 09:58:50 here small size of CL community is actually an advantage. 09:58:53 maxm-: that's good. 09:59:00 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-117-85.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:59:05 Coogle code I thought they closed it down 09:59:12 can scroll through recently updated in reasonable time.. I can imagine for Js or Python anything will be lost in teh noise 09:59:15 francogrex: no 09:59:20 francogrex: My projects are on there 09:59:50 code search is down not the repositories 09:59:51 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 09:59:59 mathrick__ [~mathrick@94.144.63.10] has joined #lisp 10:00:10 g+ gonna buy github imho 10:00:20 -!- mathrick__ is now known as mathrick 10:00:37 To me, Github's problem is that it's using git. 10:00:56 ah right, they took the search web off. That's weird, why would they do that? did they think just using google's main search engine was enough to locate the code projects? 10:01:10 francogrex: legal issues perhaps? 10:01:58 I think google code search was not just for repositories on google code, they searched pretty much all open source projects 10:02:17 it was actually pretty awesome with clickable crossrefs for functios 10:03:29 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:07:01 yes it was really cool. github search is also very nice I see 10:07:13 Guthur [~user@host86-148-167-55.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 10:07:42 I am finding plenty of good and recent projects I didn't know about 10:10:35 I am looking at this project: http://cl-www.msi.co.jp/projects/manardb/api.html the target users are not end users but programmers. I think it should be made clearer 10:11:23 the name gives the impression that it's a database system for end users, while it's not really 10:11:29 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:15:31 there is apparently Japanese lisp community, that somehow hibernated over the ai winter 10:15:43 my weblocks app is stuck. I rededined a class, and now even though the store claims it's empty, the grid view lists one object (same id) twice, and I can't clear it out. 10:15:55 and survived their "prolog all the things" shtick 10:16:10 *maxm-* had log4cl followed by some crazy lisp implementation he never heard of 10:16:19 -!- achiu [~achiu@ip68-96-95-213.oc.oc.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:16:43 I want to do something like (format t "~%~{~A,~}" '(1 2 3)) but without a comma after the last element is printed. is there a simple way to do use a control string directive to treat the last element differently without changing the way I pass in the arguments as one whole list? 10:17:01 Radium_ [~carbon@117.203.9.43] has joined #lisp 10:17:34 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:18:03 Dalek_Baldwin: (format t "~{~a~^,~}" '(one two three)) 10:18:08 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.202.245] has joined #lisp 10:19:05 ahh, great 10:21:22 ezakimak: I would save image, then find weblocks developer and ask their suggestion on debugging it. 10:21:55 it's using cl-prevelance backend atm, I'm trying to figure out how to clear it directly 10:22:19 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-133-83.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:22:28 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.82.27] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 10:22:40 knowing nothing about weblocks, from description of your problem, a class unique id may be used as a key to some hash/store, that is updated on class redefinitions 10:23:08 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:54 ezakimak: also, as this is a showstopper, concentrate on trying to reprocude it, rather then solving your immediate problem. If you can reproduce it consistently (by doing class redefinition), you'll solve the underlaying bug. Getting the bad object disappear will just clear the symptom 10:24:28 *maxm-* stops himself from giving more unasked and probably wrong advice :-) 10:24:34 MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-237-165.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 10:24:40 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 10:24:46 is there a "proper" way to redefine a class besides simply evaling the defclass form again? 10:25:07 ezakimak: no evaluating a defclass is perfectly fine way to do it 10:25:47 one tricky thing with CLOS is, if you had a defmethod and change its signature, the old defmethod is not deleted 10:26:00 mcox [~user@203-206-28-125.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #lisp 10:26:04 #lisp 10:26:39 Do (or did) any multi-user lisp machines exist? 10:27:21 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.202.245] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:27:27 maxm-: Yeah, but what's the difference between changing a method's signature, and adding an additional one? 10:27:30 maxm-: I fail to see how CLOS is meant to register the difference 10:27:36 ie if you had (defmethod whatever (object foo-type) (print "here I a am")) then decided to generalize it and changed it to (defmethod whatever (object ancestor-of-foo-type) (print "more general thing")), you may be surprised that old method is still called 10:28:01 scombinator: no difference, but intuitively it feels that if you edit the method, and C-c C-c it, that it "replaces" the old one, right 10:28:45 but when you changed its specializers, its same as adding a new one, even tho you no longer have the source for the old (since it morphed into the new one) 10:29:05 have to evaluate #'method from REPL, and use inspector to delete the old method in that case 10:29:11 *maxm-* had bitten by this many times when refactoring 10:29:15 Well I don't think you can expect C-c C-c to be smarter either. 10:29:16 -!- eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:29:37 bjonnh [~bjonnh@2a01:e35:2420:ea0:21e:64ff:fe84:8986] has joined #lisp 10:30:01 If you did want that, I imagine you should eval the whole buffer/set-of-files, and clear out all defmethods that share the name. 10:30:15 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-215-120-164.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:32 -!- BigHugeDog [~QQ@221.0.11.215] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:31:33 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 10:31:41 (defgeneric) does not appear to clear old methods, at least in SBCL.. Only full restart of lisp does 10:31:54 nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-244-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #lisp 10:32:33 well I guess unintern does too 10:32:52 -!- egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@178-10-124-91.pool.ukrtel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:25 -!- Radium_ [~carbon@117.203.9.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:33:34 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 10:34:29 -!- teggi_ [~teggi@113.173.29.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:16 how would you use the inspector to delete a method? 10:35:35 sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.93.144] has joined #lisp 10:36:12 ezakimak: if you use slime, evaluate #'method, the result will be generic function object, you inspect it (by middle-clicking and selecting inspect) and it will have [remove] buttons next to methods 10:36:34 ok. good to know. 10:36:52 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.93.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:12 sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.93.144] has joined #lisp 10:39:16 ezakimak: non slime version is (closer-mop:generic-function-methods #'foo), followed by (remove-method #'foo (first *)). Replacing "first" with the method you need 10:39:29 or C-c C-v TAB 10:39:33 to inspect 10:39:47 i didn't even know that menu was there 10:39:56 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A61F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:40:35 Guthur: yea did not know the default keybinding, somehow its C-c I in my slime, but I vaguely remember it disappearing and adding it back myself, so did not want to confuse 10:41:27 inspect can be super handy 10:42:04 ezakimak: well inspector is pretty useful, you can also copy things from it to REPL by pressing M-RET 10:42:25 its also invoked to inspect local vars or parameters from a debugger 10:43:07 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 10:43:10 -!- macrobat [~fuzzyglee@h-17-133.a328.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 10:47:27 ainm [~ainm@130.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 10:47:39 -!- ur5us [~ur5us@17.196.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:48:03 sheol [~sheol@110-174-5-214.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:48:30 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@91-67-230-210-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:58 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 10:49:11 Is there anything that needs improvement about sbcl error reporting? 10:49:37 -!- CrazyEddy [~fibrochon@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:50:49 -!- scombinator [~user@121-73-59-25.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:36 n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@188.19.142.11] has joined #lisp 10:58:30 ZabaQ: i'm sure there are several suboptimally worded error messages, or ones that should use the pretty-printer to get a nicer layout 10:58:37 how so? 11:03:16 there is some global state in pretty printer that is not in the per thread vars 11:04:58 coz I'm occasionally getting extra newline before the object name, in sldb buffer.. Ie "Error #{103123123}># 11:05:15 comes and goes intermediately 11:05:35 maxm-: do you have multiple threads printing to the same stream? 11:06:33 nikodemus: let me think.. I'm using qt-repl, so everything I type in repl, gets eval'ed from qt gui thread 11:07:30 other then slime itself doing ops like compilation, no, my printing is from same thread 11:08:01 is the surrounding context in which the printed representation appears always the same? context can cause layout to change 11:08:08 on the other hand, I now have an recollection, that above problem actually happens most often after C-c C-c, for which slime spawns separate thraed, does it not? 11:08:49 not sure offhand 11:09:36 nikodemus: I seen this for multiple, completely unrelated errors, and it goes away when you repeat the operation, and I think newline is always in same place, that is in #{address}> 11:09:48 Radium_ [~carbon@117.203.9.43] has joined #lisp 11:09:52 i'll save screenshot next time it happens 11:13:41 maxm-: that sounds very much like the pretty-printer being confused by multiple threads printing to the same stream 11:14:06 pretty printer state should be all per-stream 11:15:00 chown_ [~NotproN@gateway/tor-sasl/notpron] has joined #lisp 11:16:07 nikodemus: this very much could be.. Does pretty printer enforce the correct nesting of blocks via unwinds etc? 11:17:10 nikodemus: that is, can i confuse it by serially doing stuff to it? 11:19:15 anyway, not enough info to speculate, don't know why i mentioned it.. I'll attempt to get reproducible case next time it happens 11:19:26 -!- chown_ [~NotproN@gateway/tor-sasl/notpron] has left #lisp 11:21:01 ha, in early-pprint.lisp, there is ;; FIXME: Don't we need unwind protect to ensure this always gets called, before (end-logical-block) 11:21:21 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@50.Red-88-11-24.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 11:21:58 i see that. a test-case that shows how it goes wrong would be good 11:22:26 will try next time it happens, hacking on c++ side of my code right now, so in a few days 11:24:31 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@87-95-244-7.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:25:45 -!- daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1000:21:baac:6fff:fe99:7ada] has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:27:13 -!- sheol [~sheol@110-174-5-214.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:33 ft [efftee@shell.chaostreff-dortmund.de] has joined #lisp 11:34:32 -!- mikos [~mikos@188-223-31-58.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has quit 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fails, so you can inspect the test 12:52:18 Posterdati [~tapioca@host187-229-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:53:15 -!- kvsari [~kvsari@119-173-226-71.rev.home.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:54:55 pnq [~nick@ACA2D63C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:55:15 prip [~foo@host56-134-dynamic.42-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 12:55:18 will try stefil later 12:55:54 c0atz1n [~c0atz1n@189.238.49.193] has joined #lisp 20:30:51 ccl-logbot [~ccl-logbo@setf.clozure.com] has joined #lisp 20:30:51 20:30:51 -!- names: ccl-logbot ainm gaidal toekutr c0atz1n tsuru` ignas Kynes` Hexstream Guthur DDR ISF_ schmx rme argantonio lemoinem nixfreak sysfault treyka rvrebane Davidbrcz killerboy SrPx theos starji Buglouse literal derekv n1tn4tsn0k blackwolf sergv ecraven LaPingvino jtza8 CampinSam Spion Kron_ dnolen BigHugeDog sawjig mishoo alvis jathd nanoc tensorpudding eli pnathan1 mrSpec theBlackDragon kennyd lichtblau huangjs gko Phoon_ klltkr macrobat MoALTz 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-!- treyka [~treyka@85.234.199.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:01:00 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@afcv83.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:01:22 OK, at the end of this whole utf-8 mess, I see it was probably wrong to push for such a rapid change. 21:01:48 and didn't envision the best end point either. 21:02:50 It's good to stir the pot from time to time though. 21:02:50 dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #lisp 21:03:01 madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has joined #lisp 21:03:12 I still think we'll end up with a definite progress. 21:04:02 But I think it's better to put a minimal change in asdf, keep the current behavior as default, and experiment for a few more months, all the while trying to get those last few offending systems to convert to utf-8, before we change the defaults. 21:04:24 and experiment with autodetection in a separate system asdf-encodings for now. 21:04:40 Which may or may not get merged into asdf after things get stable. 21:04:55 pjb: does that plan sound good to you? 21:05:06 pjb: how compatible is your coding: thing with emacs 21:05:07 ? 21:06:21 Fare: please let's not autodetect. that sooner or later fails spectacularly 21:07:12 RachaelLee [~nobody@unaffiliated/rachaellee] has joined #lisp 21:08:20 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d012f1c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:10:01 Well, not all files in the wild have a -*- coding -*- header. 21:11:19 As I mentionned, I put all my files in utf-8 nowadays. From the census done on quicklisp systems, it looks like almost everybody does that too. NOw of course, there remains asdf systems not in quicklisp, and old code that hasn't a asdf definition yet. 21:11:43 -!- RachaelLee [~nobody@unaffiliated/rachaellee] has left #lisp 21:15:52 and 7 files in quicklisp that are in latin1 or so. 21:16:05 -!- BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:11 BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:17:02 Not only could we auto-detect, but we could also auto-convert when running on an old implementation that doesn't have unicode :-) 21:18:01 -!- BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:18:16 BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:45 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-240-221.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:46 -!- BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:59 BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:23:00 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-237-8.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:23:10 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:24:05 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:26:13 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-215-145.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:29:00 Legato [~34tan@auv95-1-82-241-80-196.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 21:35:09 -!- Legato [~34tan@auv95-1-82-241-80-196.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:35:10 does anyone know how I could use the BSR assembly instruction on an (unsigned-byte 32) in sbcl? 21:35:32 prxq: integer-length? 21:35:51 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 21:36:34 pkhuong: thanks! 21:38:39 -!- rme [rme@591A099.BE4DF583.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Quit: rme] 21:38:39 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.187.220] has quit [Quit: rme] 21:42:24 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 21:43:19 -!- sheol_ [~sheol@110-174-5-214.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:44:35 wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 21:51:49 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@46.28.98.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:19 Can anyone point to examples of using cl-launch with quicklisp? It is failing to dump an image for me with an error message that component :vecto is not found. (Vecto happens to be the last package in the :depends-on in the relevant asd file) 21:53:54 S11001001 [~sirian@c-98-216-249-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:05 -!- S11001001 [~sirian@c-98-216-249-29.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:54:05 S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has joined #lisp 21:54:06 -!- robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:24 robot-beethoven [~user@c-24-118-142-0.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:39 I'm quite happily using vecto from the REPL, so not sure what is going wrong with the error message about unhandled asdf:missing-dependency 21:56:12 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@h164n1-m-sp-d4.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:49 -!- LaPingvino [~LaPingvin@d54C06DE6.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:57:02 ainm_ [~ainm@116.Red-83-61-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 21:57:33 -!- asvil [~asvil@178.120.86.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:00 -!- ainm [~ainm@43.Red-83-33-84.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:58:05 -!- ainm_ is now known as ainm 21:59:46 -!- nif [~nI@gateway/tor-sasl/nif] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:54 -!- madalu [~user@unaffiliated/madalu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:00:22 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:00:56 If I take out vecto out of the project, it generates the same asdf:missing dependency error, just with the new last entry in the depends-on entry in the asd file 22:02:06 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 22:02:41 This is with a cl-launch invocation of cl-lauch.sh -s my-test-package -d my-test-package-image from a shell inside emacs 22:03:28 -!- ainm [~ainm@116.Red-83-61-38.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:06:04 les_ [moreorles@lesharris.com] has joined #lisp 22:09:35 wol: I haven't used cl-launch but since you didn't get a response I'll throw a guess: it looks like cl-launch is trying to build an image without loading ql; asdf probably can't find those ql installed systems without ql being loaded 22:10:28 -!- les [moreorles@unaffiliated/les] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:28 -!- les_ [moreorles@lesharris.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:29 daniel_ [~daniel@p50829BE2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:15 wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-68-173-17-122.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:43 -!- daniel [~daniel@p5082BE52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:14:32 -!- argantonio [~tony@5ac37a6c.bb.sky.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:53 -!- sergv [~sergey@80.252.242.43] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:17:12 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:36 clintm [~clintm@64.134.140.113] has joined #lisp 22:17:39 nif [~nI@gateway/tor-sasl/nif] has joined #lisp 22:17:42 dnolen [~user@pool-71-183-176-110.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:05 -!- EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:27 EarlGray^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:19 eni [~eni@gob75-5-82-230-88-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:08 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-50-60.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:27:54 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:28:10 -!- kornshell [~user@gateway/tor-sasl/skulls] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:28:14 mikos [~mikos@188-223-31-58.zone14.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:29:31 -!- diginet [~diginet@adsl-69-153-135-2.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:30:25 -!- nif [~nI@gateway/tor-sasl/nif] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:32 Vivitron:That was the impression I had. I'm also still trying to figure out how to do a save-lisp-and-die from inside emacs. I think all the swank threads are getting in the way. But I don't think that relates to my cl-launch problem. 22:32:03 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129057010.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 mutley89 [~mutley89@cpc1-hudd6-0-0-cust741.4-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:36:40 DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-14-2.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #lisp 22:39:06 -!- S11001001 [~sirian@fsf/member/S11001001] has quit [Quit: acpi sleep] 22:42:12 wol: yes, when I tried that out I think I moved to the *inferior-lisp* buffer and manually killed all the swank threads, but in general I think save-lisp-and-die on an image you were developing in swank may be the wrong thing 22:42:26 les [moreorles@lesharris.com] has joined #lisp 22:42:27 -!- les [moreorles@lesharris.com] has quit [Changing host] 22:42:27 les [moreorles@unaffiliated/les] has joined #lisp 22:42:28 wol: the documentation in cl-launch.sh talked about a wrap command for changing the command line arguments, it looked like you could use that to use a custom --userinit file to point asdf towards the ql repository. 22:42:28 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 22:43:41 nif [~nI@gateway/tor-sasl/nif] has joined #lisp 22:50:52 BrianRice` [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:52 -!- BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:52 -!- BrianRice` is now known as BrianRice 22:55:41 rme [~rme@50.43.187.220] has joined #lisp 22:58:06 -!- dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:59:19 DataLinkDroid [~David@58.171.245.250] has joined #lisp 22:59:58 -!- nixfreak [~nix@mailserver.dayport.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:00:24 -!- FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:28 FACEFOX [~facefox@pool-74-111-197-200.lsanca.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:02:38 -!- BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:02:58 BrianRice [~water@75-172-21-21.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:03:35 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:59 Vivitron, hi 23:06:43 wol: yes, you could add quicklisp support to cl-launch, or use an image with quicklisp pre-loaded, or load quicklisp with your -f argument (or as a load command in that file) 23:07:17 Who was it who suggested a smiley (and unicode character?) for "patch welcome" ? 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