00:00:58 superflit_ [~superflit@71-33-156-171.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:59 I'm going to bookmark that hetzner 00:01:11 once my current VPS contract expires I may switch 00:02:42 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-147-93.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:02:43 -!- superflit_ is now known as superflit 00:03:35 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:04:37 -!- mintsoup [~mintsoup@173-164-33-21-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:05:22 -!- DataLinkAway is now known as DataLinkDroid 00:06:53 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:16 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:38 Xach: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127620#2 00:08:03 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.198.3] has joined #lisp 00:08:34 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:08:42 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:09:07 -!- kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:18 blackwol` [~blackwolf@ool-45763eb0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:29 solussd [~solussd@rrcs-173-198-144-180.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:11:23 zulax: have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/127624 00:12:31 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.198.3] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:51 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has joined #lisp 00:14:22 -!- blackwolf [~blackwolf@ool-45763eb0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:14:43 pjb what is that for? and how would i use it? 00:16:08 <22:20:36> is there a way i can load a lsp function file which will automatically load the 00:16:08 changes if the file is changed? zulax: you can do that indeed. See for example http://paste.lisp.org/display/127619 00:16:09 You can modify it to reload the file when it has changed (clhs file-write-date). 00:16:09 00:16:41 zulax: read the docstring. 00:16:53 ok, i will see if i can understand how to do it, right now i feel overwhelmed :) 00:17:22 Seems a bit heavy to check a file every time a function is called... 00:17:51 basically you (defautoload-on-change f (a b) "/some/dir/f.lisp") and then when you call (f 1 2), it loads the file, and thereafter, if you call again (f 3 4), and the file has changed, it reload the file, etc. 00:18:03 loke: no choice, those are the specifications. 00:18:17 pjb: there is indeed a choice: stick inotify in the event loop. 00:18:22 of course, that would be *massively harder*. 00:18:25 pjb: fsevents could be used to make it very light 00:18:37 pjb: then all it would take is a variable check on call 00:18:57 but yeah, there'd be FFI involved. 00:19:07 not even, since you can redefine a function while it's running: (setf (symbol-function name) ) should be atommic. 00:19:23 how do i get back to the RHEL 00:19:35 it just disappeared when i tried C-o 00:19:47 C-c C-z 00:19:48 zulax: http://www.redhat.com/products/enterprise-linux/ 00:19:49 worked 00:20:03 oops, i knew i would misspell that 00:20:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:20:12 Read Eval Print Loop! 00:20:26 Try it: (loop (print (eval (read)))) 00:20:29 mhenderson [~mhenderso@66.187.166.20] has joined #lisp 00:20:53 zulax: the have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/18280 and try it too if you want. 00:20:53 gives me the blinking cursor 00:20:57 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-137-69.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:21:01 zulax: enter (+ 2 3) 00:21:03 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-165.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:21:33 5 00:21:45 but i dont see the CL-USER] any more 00:21:52 It's the most basic REPL, Read Eval Print Loop. 00:21:55 pjb: I'm not saying that the function should be redefined on file change 00:21:57 Type C-c to break it. 00:22:21 pjb: file change should merely set a flag that is checked on call to determine if the file should be reloaded, as opposed to reloading on every call 00:22:38 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-172-106.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:43 again messed up, 00:22:58 loke: file change => (load "file") => the function is modified (if it's still in the file). 00:23:12 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:23:21 zulax: when you're in the debugger, select the restart you want, such as, revert to the toplevel. 00:23:40 zulax: type ? or help or :help or :h to get some help in the debugger RPEL. 00:23:42 REPL. 00:24:01 pjb: yes, I must have missed something in the requirements (I did join the discussion in the middle after all). Unfortunately I have to go to the office right now so I don't have time to figure out where that confusion lies :-) 00:24:01 nialo [~nialo@ool-18bc9753.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:24:16 i think i must first learn the abc of emacs, i keep messing my screens 00:24:36 C-h t to get the tutorial. 00:25:20 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 00:26:39 zulax: Type Control-H then T ; C-h t is explained in the tutorial 00:26:52 ok 00:30:21 how do i go to the repl screen? C-x o doesnt help 00:30:41 *sykopomp* wonders if displaced-arrays or something like them can be used to simulate circular buffers or something like that. 00:31:01 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.13.206] has joined #lisp 00:31:01 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@122.169.13.206] has quit [Changing host] 00:31:01 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 00:31:41 zulax: C-x C-b 00:31:55 zulax: C-x C-b is explained in the tutorial. 00:32:11 *sykopomp* is hoping to use an array buffer with iolib in a way that doesn't involve either shifting all the elements to the left when a partial buffer read happens, or consing up a new array every time. 00:32:17 zulax: so you've made the proof you don't read what we tell you to read, so you're reputation as a newbie is decreased by ten points. 00:32:48 sykopomp: You can define such a circular buffer indeed. 00:33:15 pjb: how would that work? 00:33:19 sykopomp: but if your buffer is small enough, it's simplier to use replace to shift the bytes. 00:33:41 sykopomp: and "small enough" is big enough in practice. 00:34:14 pjb: I guess replace is good enough until proven otherwise. :) 00:34:34 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-72-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 00:34:47 sykopomp: one easy way to do it, is to actually use a vector of vectors, so that you receive in small vectors, and manage a circular buffer of such vectors. 00:34:59 or a list of vectors. 00:35:29 -!- oGMo [~rpav@66.219.59.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:49 usually the message size is close to the buffer size, so there shouldn't be a lot of bytes to move around. 00:35:55 oGMo [~rpav@66.219.59.103] has joined #lisp 00:36:53 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:36:57 but what will I prematurely optimize, in that case? 00:38:06 sykopomp: you want a deque? 00:39:14 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.13.106] has joined #lisp 00:39:17 pkhuong: I don't know. The problem I'm trying to solve is how to provide iolib with buffers for its event-based socket stuff. 00:39:58 (and I think the nicest solution so far is to indeed just keep a buffer around with read/write indexes and shift them left if they don't get used entirely) 00:40:08 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:40:16 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:34 -!- simon__ [~simon@85.136.137.196.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:27 (- 4.4 4) gives 0.40000001 00:45:36 -!- zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:45:47 zulax: Floating point inaccuracy. 00:45:59 how do i retrieve just 0.4 00:46:38 zulax: FORMAT has ~F, which can format this however you want. 00:46:59 thx, 00:47:46 0.40000001 is just one of many textual representations of some internal potentially inaccurate value... 00:47:55 tankpilot [~user@li298-167.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 00:48:22 yes, we just covered this in our numerical class this week, i thought computers were god 00:49:07 Unfortunately, they're merely "good". 00:49:11 deus ex machina. 00:49:12 is there anybody who wants to advise me about professional career? I'm a 24 years old guy who relocated to US and am very unhappy 00:49:47 our professor hasnt yet revealed us to use Format 00:49:53 dnolen [~user@p72-0-226-202-static.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 00:49:54 p.s advises about using freenode properly are welcome, too 00:50:07 i wonder how he had planned for us to do this problem, but i will go ahead and use format as it seems worthy to learn 00:50:35 tankpilot, did u relocate for job and u are unhappy abuot the job? 00:50:53 zulax: yeah 00:51:20 a company hired me and put lots of effort to provide me a work visa 00:51:35 culture shock? 00:51:49 or work place culture shock 00:51:59 (I am not from US either ) 00:52:09 tankpilot: Where from and where to? 00:52:16 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 00:52:36 from a country in europe to san francisco 00:52:44 I'm not sure that it's culture shock 00:52:53 they don't give me enough responsibility 00:52:58 Bound to be part of it. 00:53:01 You a coder or wot? 00:53:03 tankpilot, sounds like my last internship 00:53:43 tankpilot, unless you are in google or smthg, most places are way too relaxed - infact the competency is low of general co-workers 00:54:15 totzeit: coder 00:54:16 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:54:23 totzeit: I'd use the extra time to explore the workplace 00:54:32 it has been 3 months 00:54:41 and yes, lack of "work stuff" at work can be annoying (had that in my first workplace) 00:54:50 tankpilot, also you dont have to stick to that company, a lot of places sponsor H1B, you should check other places out 00:54:55 leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has joined #lisp 00:55:13 unless u have signed a contract for certain years 00:55:27 I didn't sign a certain contract 00:55:35 but I want to be a good guy. they waited me for 6 months 00:56:01 tankpilot, i would say talking to your supervisor is very important 00:56:09 they are really understanding people 00:56:53 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has left #lisp 00:57:39 myles [~mhenderso@66.187.166.20] has joined #lisp 00:57:46 my supervisor told very positive stuff about me, for several times 00:59:35 but I'm kinda junior dev. nobody tells me about important stuff. for example, they interviewed a guy today 01:00:01 Where does Lisp come into this story? 01:00:17 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:00:33 -!- mhenderson [~mhenderso@66.187.166.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:35 and I didn't know it. we had a meeting at and there was no body telling about it 01:00:50 austinh: sorry, I'm just a lisp fan 01:01:13 perhaps careers counselling should move to a private conversation or another channel?? 01:01:34 ok, just did it with zulax. ths 01:01:36 thx 01:02:45 heh. Someone released what I was thinking about making (in Lisp, of course!). Though I bet it doesn't scale to where mine did ;) 01:03:30 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:04:59 pnq [~nick@ACA21471.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 01:05:14 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:05:44 (they do have a scripting language...) 01:10:16 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-210-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:11:28 ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has joined #lisp 01:14:26 Cosman246 [~user@nat60-100.kcls.org] has joined #lisp 01:16:08 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:12 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 01:19:22 -!- ace4016 [~ace4016@rrcs-70-63-206-143.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:20:12 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:21:13 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-210-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 01:25:36 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:25:41 zulax: go read: http://www.exploringbinary.com/the-four-stages-of-floating-point-competence/ What Every Computer Scientist Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic http://docs-pdf.sun.com/800-7895/800-7895.pdf http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=103163 http://focus.hut.fi/docs/WorkShop/common/ug/goldberg1.doc.html 01:25:41 01:25:57 kanru [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:25:59 thats a great resource, thanks 01:26:25 *hefner* is terrified of floating point numbers 01:27:39 -!- Cosman246 [~user@nat60-100.kcls.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:40 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.161.118] has joined #lisp 01:27:55 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:28:14 hefner: interested in integrating reallib into lisp? 01:28:39 A FFI as first step, and a CDR to integrate it with the Lisp numerical tower then? 01:31:45 no, but that would be cool. 01:35:02 hefner, why terrified? really they arent all that bad once understood anyway 01:35:19 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 01:37:40 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 01:38:06 kamoricks [~james@Syncleus/dev/freeone3000] has joined #lisp 01:38:50 I don't have an (array-copy). Is (make-array (array-dimensions original) :initial-contents original) the easiest way to do this? 01:39:05 kamoricks: copy-seq 01:39:26 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 01:39:26 hypercube32: I expect fp precision issues to pop up at the least opportune moment, an extra kick in the ass while I'm deep into debugging something else on the periphery of my understanding 01:39:28 If the array is actually a vector, that is. 01:39:34 joast [~rick@98.145.91.18] has joined #lisp 01:40:14 Hexstream: It's not. It's an array. 01:40:19 tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-52-188.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 01:40:28 Hexstream: Err, it's a two-dimensional array that could be three-dimensional sometimes. 01:41:27 kamoricks: There's no built-in function to do that. Something like what you said would work, unless there are specializations or displacements and whatnot in play. 01:42:00 Okay. Thanks. 01:44:43 -!- tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-17-194.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:48:37 kamoricks: see com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.array:copy-array run: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum) to get it. 01:49:33 pjb: am i being naive in thinking that :cesarum would do just fine? 01:49:42 xristos: Yes. 01:50:16 kamoricks: there's no copy CLOS object either. See http://www.nhplace.com/kent/PS/EQUAL.html and http://cdr.eurolisp.org/document/8/index.html 01:50:20 xristos: yes. 01:50:26 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:50:33 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-14-16.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 01:50:47 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50:53 xristos: there's an :alexandria which has a different copy-array, and there could be a :com.xyz.cesarum, I don't want to clobber the name space. 01:51:11 (and :alexandria also has a different license). 01:51:12 ok 01:51:58 xristos: but there's a asd for :com.informatimago.common-lisp which loads everything under it. :com.informatimago.common-lisp.* 01:52:28 -!- dsabanin [~dsabanin@89.22.164.95] has quit [Quit: dsabanin] 01:53:34 retupmoca` [~retupmoca@adsl-99-181-132-232.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 01:53:43 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.148.248.29] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:55:40 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 01:56:06 -!- retupmoca` is now known as retupmoca 01:57:47 -!- davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:10 frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 01:59:33 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:00:48 So I have http://paste.lisp.org/display/127625#1 , and it gives me the eroror "The value -1 is not of type (MOD 1152921504606846973)". This is true, probably, but I don't understand what it means. Can anyone help? 02:03:58 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 02:04:03 It means that you provided -1 where a positive fixnum was expected. 02:05:23 we cannot debug it for you since it's missing *movement-ways*. 02:05:33 pjb: No, it's not. Line 2. 02:05:41 pjb: Right after *empty-space* 02:05:57 pjb: Annotation 1, if for some reason it didn't automatically scroll. 02:06:01 in a stand alone executable how can I get that directory of that executable? 02:06:11 s/that// 02:06:19 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:06:27 SBCL 02:07:27 frx: sb-ext:*runtime-pathname* is the path to the executable 02:08:54 kamoricks: ah right. 02:08:57 #lisp: thanks 02:09:03 hefner thanks 02:09:20 kamoricks: so in the backtrace in *sldb* it gives: 0: (aref #) 02:09:20 1: (get-moves-for-loc #2A((1 2 0) (2 2 2) (0 2 2)) 0 0) 02:09:20 02:09:39 so the problem is aref with anegative index, called in get-moves-for-loc with those arguments. 02:12:46 Ah. Okay, I see it. Thanks. 02:13:15 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 02:13:16 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 02:14:19 The *first* movement addition could also place it out of bounds, and I need to check for that. 02:15:16 -!- myles [~mhenderso@66.187.166.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:24 kamoricks: see http://paste.lisp.org/+2QH5/2 for some modifications. 02:15:38 ramus [~ramus@c-50-132-91-53.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:16:09 kamoricks: it outputs (0 1) (0 2) (0 -1) for the updates of the lclpos vector. 02:16:32 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 02:17:30 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 02:18:33 kamoricks: nice function array-in-bounds-p, I should use sometimes (I had written my own version with array-dimensions) 02:19:28 -!- vpit3833 [~user@mail.protocomtechnology.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:20:24 -!- kwmiebach_ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-142-197.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:51 kamoricks: see http://paste.lisp.org/+2QH5/3 02:21:15 Thanks. :) Happen to have one for array-copy? My (make-array (array-dimensions orig) :initial-contents orig) function says that my initial-contents isn't list-ish enough. 02:21:46 kamoricks: see com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum.array:copy-array run: (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum) to get it. 02:21:54 pjb: I do not have that function. 02:22:03 run: 02:22:03 (ql:quickload :com.informatimago.common-lisp.cesarum) to get it. 02:22:13 kamoricks: you can't read can you? 02:22:23 pjb: Not lisp. 02:22:55 you can't read irc channels either. 02:23:14 pjb: Looks like I don't have that package. 02:23:20 which one? 02:23:24 quicklisp? 02:23:35 pjb: Yes. 02:23:37 go to http://www.quicklisp.org to get it. 02:23:43 Thanks. 02:23:56 is there a way to check whether code is running in executable or not? best I could do is comparing (file-namestring sb-ext:*runtime-pathname*) with "sbcl" but I'm not too happy with that solution 02:24:00 kamoricks: ie. http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ 02:24:19 frx: what does it mean "code is running in executable or not"? 02:24:32 any code is executable by definition. 02:24:57 I have a socket server and I want people to be able to choose between writing and reading in either arrays of bytes or some specified string format. Is there a usual way to handle this, API-wise? arrays aren't exactly an external-format, right? 02:24:59 whether it's running in self-contained executable created by save-lisp-and-die 02:25:38 sykopomp: you need an external format to convert between bytes and characters. You don't need when you have just bytes, or just characters. 02:26:00 frx: why do you want to know that? 02:26:41 pjb: right... so I guess API functions should be able to send and request strings and bytes, instead of, say, switching input/output modes or something crazy like that... 02:26:43 frx: why do you want to distinguish a function that's been loaded with the image (that has been loaded from a .fasl before the image was saved) from a function that has been loaded from a .fasl file after the image was saved? 02:26:59 i want to disable some things when it's running in normal lisp repl, like logging etc. so I can develop and debug same code without cluttering log files 02:27:08 sykopomp: basically yes. Unless you want to encode or decode strings, you don't need an external format. 02:27:39 frx: I do: (pushnew :developping *features*) and #-developping (logger ) 02:28:05 Before saving the image, (setf *features* (remove :developping *features*)) and reload the sources. 02:28:12 nice idea 02:28:41 frx: otherwise you can specific an initial function when you save the image, where you can set some flag, if you want to do that dynamically. 02:30:05 -!- senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 02:30:11 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:31:11 gko [~gko@27.246.143.90] has joined #lisp 02:31:46 -!- SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:29 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 02:40:52 -!- zulax [~radarwork@99-120-232-161.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:45:06 Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483AD79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:45:10 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA21471.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:46:54 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483AE95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:47:29 kamoricks: have a look at http://paste.lisp.org/+2QH5/4 02:48:03 kamoricks: we use complex numbers as cell indices so that we can easily add or subtract cells with movements. 02:48:37 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.145.98.147] has joined #lisp 02:57:42 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:05:25 *austinh* writes his first reader macro (and tries not to be corrupted by the power) 03:07:14 Alianse [70049a83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.4.154.131] has joined #lisp 03:07:18 And before that, I made a bunch of function aliases with SYMBOL-FUNCTION. I hope I'm still operating within the valid use-cases for these kinds of things. 03:08:20 i've used function aliases like that, too. 03:08:58 i wondered if there are likely or unexpected ways to get bitten by the practice... :) 03:09:12 In my case I'm abstracting some bit twiddling code that wasn't too clear. 03:09:42 *DataLinkDroid* nods head trying to appear wise 03:10:52 gab31 [5f53543c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.83.84.60] has joined #lisp 03:12:54 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-173-198-144-180.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:14:08 -!- vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:46 Hello. I want to implement a macro that binds a handler but I don't want nested macros binds the handler. Here is an example http://paste.lisp.org/display/127626 03:15:58 I can't use just handler-bind as is because there is a "tree" based on macros and the root macro should bind the handler and child macros shouldn't 03:16:05 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:16:26 gab31: you can expand a macrolet with the same name. 03:23:48 Something like (defmacro with-handler (&body body) 03:24:29 `(macrolet ((with-handler (&body body) `(progn ,@body))) (handler-case (progn ,@body) (error (err) (terpri) (princ err) (terpri))))) 03:27:22 pjb: won't work for me, look at this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127627 03:29:12 gab31: what is that? 03:29:30 pjb: macroexpands 03:29:33 (using slime) 03:29:45 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-bvyvcbrcexmhcskh] has joined #lisp 03:30:45 antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890295.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 03:31:01 slime is wrong. 03:31:34 Yea, thanks, I already checked it out. 03:31:47 There's only a single handler: http://paste.lisp.org/+2QH7/1 03:31:53 solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-18-158.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:32:21 gab31: however I don't know what you want to do that? That doesn't prevent called functions to install their own handlers, outside of the lexical scope. 03:32:38 And in the lexical scope, it's obvious that you have with-handler in with-handler, so you can edit the code! 03:32:50 Jubb [~ghost@pool-72-66-102-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:33:59 WE HEARD YOU LIKE WITH-HANDLER? SO WE PUT WITH-HANDLER IN YOUR WITH-HANDLER SO YOU CAN WITH-HANDLER WHILE YOU WITH-HANDLER 03:34:20 Not WHILE, WHERE! 03:34:33 While is temporal = dynamic, where is spacial = lexical. 03:34:44 That's why this requirement is dumb. 03:35:27 lol 03:35:28 You could rather write an emacs command that eliminates embeded calls to with-handler 03:36:11 So if you copy and paste a with-handler inside another, it magically disappears (not the body). 03:36:48 Actually I will prefer code editing to reduce code size 03:37:02 That's what I'm proposing. 03:38:01 Well, it all was started from slow macroexpansion of bulk restart and handler forms in SBCL... 03:39:13 restart and handler macros in SBCL generate a fuckin bulk of code 03:39:21 Moreover with paredit it's trivial to remove such an operator. move the cursor after hte inner with-handler and type M-. 03:39:50 Dont' put restarts and handler inside the program, just in the main even loop. 03:39:52 evnet 03:39:53 event 03:41:07 Well, there is a lot of small forms that can contain errors and when the error occured the control should be transferred to the next form 03:41:37 So I have to use restarts 03:41:43 You have to do what you have to do. 03:42:15 So I have to provide a restart for every form... 03:42:33 So there is a bulk of code generated by SBCL... 03:42:55 No, you can call a list of functions! 03:43:14 (with-handlers (dolist (f (list (lambda ) (lambda ) )) (funcall f))) 03:43:42 not the CL:DOLIST, you need to continue with the next item in the list. 03:44:40 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:44:51 Sure, but I have to provide a restart for each function in the list, isn't it? 03:45:10 hello all, playing with Scheme's *parser stuff, is there some equivalent of `not-string` a la `not-char`? 03:45:10 I'd like to match not a string 03:45:55 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:46:38 gab31: no, a single restart to continue processing the list. There's only one handler and one restart. 03:46:57 gf3: we don't know scheme very well here. Try on #scheme. 03:47:20 pjb: unfortunately I did, no response :( 03:47:43 pjb: oh, thanks 03:49:09 gf3: well I've been banned from #scheme. I could certainly come with an answer if I was still there 03:49:25 pjb: haha, oh nooo 03:49:31 pjb: how did you get banned? 03:49:49 I said that some scheme code was ugly when somebody presented it as nice. 03:49:59 gf3: if you explain what you want I could come with a Common Lisp solution. 03:50:30 -!- hypercube32 [~hypercube@246.111.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:17 pjb: I'm interested in writing parsers, interpreters, compilers, &c 03:52:17 pjb: I'm still pretty novice though, and I'd just like to learn some of the parsing facilities available to me 03:52:56 Well, in CL we have several parser generators: http://www.cliki.net/parser%20generator 03:53:45 I also have here a little Recursive Decent Parser generator: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/rdp/ 03:54:00 You can get it from https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/ too. 03:54:53 gf3: on Planet Lisp, i recently noticed a 6502 assembler in common lisp. could interest you. 03:55:29 pjb, DataLinkDroid: thank you 03:56:17 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-18-158.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 03:56:25 pjb, DataLinkDroid: if this makes any sense, I'm more interested in learning how to build the parser rather than the actual parsing 03:56:36 if you guys know of any good resources 03:56:37 solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-18-158.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 03:56:49 gf3: well if you use a parser generator, you just write the grammar, and you get a parsing function. 03:57:14 gf3: You might also find Norvig's discussion of a Prolog interpreter in PAIP of interest. Or the whole book, really. 03:57:24 gf3: See http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/rdp/example-lisp.lisp 03:57:37 gf3: I assume you're reading the dragon book! 03:57:54 http://dragonbook.stanford.edu/ 03:57:56 pjb: I've heard of it, but I don't have it yet 03:58:12 aja: I heard that was good, thanks for the recommendation 03:58:32 pjb: I have a little bit of experience with PEGs 03:58:44 Yes, and the new edition contains chapters about garbage collection and so on. 03:59:29 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.87.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:52 lemoinem [~swoog@104-84-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 04:00:54 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-18-158.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:02:21 cataska [~cataska@114-42-62-17.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 04:04:57 ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 04:08:02 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 04:08:15 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 04:10:21 -!- frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:11:59 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 04:12:22 diginet [~diginet@ppp-69-153-141-111.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 04:15:08 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:17:37 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-18bc9753.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:17:37 -!- _UNDEF [none@177.43.148.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:18:31 fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:760:fcfd:cea5:2afc:a54c] has joined #lisp 04:18:46 -!- Cory [~Cory@unaffiliated/cory] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:20:17 -!- dnolen [~user@p72-0-226-202-static.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:30:03 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 04:31:07 -!- kruhft [~user@S0106002401f331bd.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:31:34 -!- fantasticsid [~user@2001:da8:8001:760:fcfd:cea5:2afc:a54c] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:36:23 -!- syrinx_ is now known as mrderp 04:36:27 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:37:41 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has quit [Quit: rme] 04:38:48 -!- mrderp is now known as syrinx_ 04:41:15 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:41:20 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:44:23 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:51:16 pnq [~nick@AC820F79.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 05:02:30 wildnux [~wildnux@68-191-210-76.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 05:05:57 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890295.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:07:15 -!- Jubb [~ghost@pool-72-66-102-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Jubb] 05:10:53 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:16:04 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:10 -!- retupmoca [~retupmoca@adsl-99-181-132-232.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:17:25 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:18:28 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 05:29:22 rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has joined #lisp 05:32:14 I want to do (stable-sort '(1 1 3) #'(lambda (x) 1)), but this gives me a STYLE-WARNING about unused parameter x. Is there a way to define a function taking an unnamed parameter, like void foo(int) { } in C? 05:32:25 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 05:32:32 (Searching "function anonymous param" gives me anonymous functions as paramters.) 05:33:07 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 05:33:15 kamoricks: (lambda (x) (declare (ignore x)) 1)? Though in that case you could use (constantly 1) instead, I think. 05:33:33 kamoricks, do you want (declare (ignore x)) ? 05:34:34 Bike: Yes, and I do, thanks. 05:39:01 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:39:06 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:05 *ski_* . o O ( `(lambda (x) x 1)' ? ) 05:44:06 ski_: that's an older (pre-CL) way. Still works on a lot of implementations, but some readers might be confused. 05:45:03 ok -- but would some implementations warn about `x' still there ? 05:46:31 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:46:46 -!- DataLinkDroid [~David@1.145.98.147] has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:47:35 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has joined #lisp 05:48:52 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:49:08 -!- G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49:11 not sure. I would try hard not to style warn on it, but I'm not 100% certain that the standard forbids it. 05:49:36 -!- ramkrsna [~ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:50:44 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:51:22 jakko_ [~jakko@142.150.236.135] has joined #lisp 05:52:24 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 05:57:49 -!- jakko_ [~jakko@142.150.236.135] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:59:39 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:02:33 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.160] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 06:04:39 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #lisp 06:04:55 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has joined #lisp 06:05:10 Went with (constantly 1), because it was shorter. Now I'm having an issue copying my 2d array. I know it's an array, I know it's 2d. Why doesn't http://paste.lisp.org/display/127630 work? 06:10:28 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.192.192] has joined #lisp 06:11:50 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:13:44 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 06:13:46 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:15:45 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:17:12 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 06:17:30 Tried something different, with (row-major-aref). Apparently for init to end is inclusive on both ends. Thanks. 06:19:38 kamoricks: you want "below end". And I can't read that paste; it's too badly indented. 06:21:11 What should the indention look like? 06:22:01 mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has joined #lisp 06:22:55 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:23:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 06:23:25 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 06:23:55 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-128.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:24:01 vpit3833 [~user@mail.protocomtech.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:24:49 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-128.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 06:25:25 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-229-29.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:25:30 MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-122-198.as43234.net] has joined #lisp 06:26:32 kamoricks: look at http://gigamonkeys.com/book - Peter Seibel followed rather classic indentation scheme 06:27:03 ... holy fuck that paste 06:29:18 sunmix [~user@223.205.65.78] has joined #lisp 06:30:34 it's not completely off the charts 06:30:42 closing parens line up 06:30:45 so that's ok 06:30:45 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:31:29 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:32 kamoricks: if you put the closing parens on the end of the previous line, code becomes more compact and still remains mostly readable 06:31:59 that's most if not all lisp code uses that convention 06:33:06 Xach: Do you still have Rainer Joswig's video of DSLs in lisp? If so, would you make it available again? His server is turned off at the moment 06:33:11 Okay. It's unique, but I'll follow it for pastes here. 06:33:30 huangho [~vitor@189.27.228.56.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 06:33:46 it's pretty unique to lisp, but it'll become second nature soon, I'm sure (: 06:34:11 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:34:16 Much like python, people look at indentation. 06:34:16 Old school C does it, and I find it hard to read there (: 06:34:18 when I code ruby, often I have a dozen lines with only "end" on them love that lisp doesn't have that (: 06:35:34 Neronus: hold on, I might have it somewhere 06:36:56 hm, sadly not. 06:37:03 sorry to disappoint 06:38:08 antifuchs: Thanks for searching anyway :) 06:41:32 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 06:43:32 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:43:34 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:44:46 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:58 Adlai`` [~adlai@109-186-99-69.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 06:46:03 maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 06:46:18 Yuuhi``` [benni@p5483AD79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:46:41 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 06:46:45 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:46:47 -!- huangho [~vitor@189.27.228.56.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:46:53 Cosman24` [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 06:47:05 -!- Cosman24` is now known as Cosman246` 06:47:09 Jabberwock [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has joined #lisp 06:47:23 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:47:27 -!- Cosman246` is now known as Cosman246 06:47:39 -!- Jabberwock is now known as Guest65177 06:48:50 peterbb_ [143027@diamant.ifi.uio.no] has joined #lisp 06:48:54 egn_ [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:49:23 cYmen_ [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 06:49:36 Patzy_ [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 06:49:40 tessier_ [~treed@mail.copilotco.com] has joined #lisp 06:49:46 dsp__ [~tt@lebesgue.cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 06:49:49 acieroid` [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 06:50:26 -!- egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 06:50:26 -!- Jabberwockey [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:27 -!- acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:27 -!- Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:27 -!- peterbb [143027@diamant.ifi.uio.no] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 06:50:27 -!- cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:27 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:27 -!- dsp_ [~tt@lebesgue.cowpig.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:17 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52:19 -!- loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- CrazyEddy [~oxlike@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- erg [~erg@li32-38.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- Intensity [1RlKwavoGr@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:19 -!- jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 06:52:24 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 06:52:24 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 06:52:24 erg [~erg@li32-38.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 06:52:39 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:52:39 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:52:45 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 06:52:54 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 06:53:06 ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 06:53:57 -!- slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-197.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:54:20 slyrus [~chatzilla@99-28-161-197.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:54:32 kamoricks: how many integers i such as 0 <= i < 10 are there? 06:54:38 -!- inklesspen [~jon-freen@inklesspen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:44 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483AD79.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:54:44 gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-179-45-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 06:54:50 jingtao` [~jingtaozf@114.112.44.133] has joined #lisp 06:55:11 kamoricks: you cannot sort or stable-sort '(1 3 2) because it's a literal data, therefore it must be considered immutable. It could be immutable in some implementations! 06:55:14 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:55:18 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:55:19 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:19 -!- ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:55:19 ianmcorvidae|alt [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 06:55:25 Yuuhi```` [benni@p5483AD79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 06:55:28 -!- MoALTz_ [~no@host-92-2-122-198.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- oGMo [~rpav@66.219.59.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- wccoder [~wccoder@S01060026f3c6bad7.no.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- limetree [~ircuser@li147-249.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:38 -!- axion [~axion@cpe-67-242-80-89.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:55:45 -!- Patzy_ [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:55:45 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:55:45 -!- kamoricks [~james@Syncleus/dev/freeone3000] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:08 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-45-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56:08 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56:08 -!- herbieB [~herbie@u15287329.onlinehome-server.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:56:10 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 06:56:16 -!- tty234 [telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-hhrtsfxoqpqkwxdx] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- rson [~randy@c-68-32-170-89.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- jasom_ [~aidenn@ip72-194-213-200.sb.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- _3b___ [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- gab31 [5f53543c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.83.84.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- Alianse [70049a83@gateway/web/freenode/ip.112.4.154.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:56:16 -!- ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:56:17 kamoricks: have you even read the doc (clhs) of stable-sort? 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but i wonder (suspect) if this is a specially hairy case? 11:45:10 hypno: hairy in what sense/ 11:45:11 ? 11:45:22 hypno: when reading with READ? 11:45:44 Xach: READ-LINE 11:46:07 hypno: what is the trouble? 11:46:10 hypno: the # is just a character in the string returned. what is hairy? 11:46:23 H4ns: well, i tried a reader macro hack to hook # to ; but no go for some reason. 11:46:35 hypno: read-line does not use the reader 11:47:15 hypno: i'd use a regular expression to get rid of the comment before processing the string further. 11:48:17 i'd use POSITION and SUBSEQ 11:48:36 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 11:49:14 egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@195.160.233.181] has joined #lisp 11:49:56 http://195.43.248.104/~hypno/foo 11:50:17 i am trying to parse that into a more lisp friendly format. 11:50:46 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:52:36 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 11:52:39 -!- eno 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quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:58:40 hypno: if it's not lisp-like code, i don't think using the lisp reader is usually a good idea. 11:59:07 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has joined #lisp 11:59:25 you could use (cond ((eq (peek-char t stream) #\#) (peek-char #\Newline) (get-char)) (t (process-line (read-line stream)))) 11:59:38 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:00:00 stassats`: ah, rather nice yes. 12:00:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:00:42 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:00:53 Xach: it just end up becoming to hairy using the readeror why do you dislike it? 12:01:09 it's a bit more complex than using just read-line, but it produces less consing 12:02:07 -!- _UNDEF [none@177.43.148.70] has left #lisp 12:02:53 hypno: the reader is tuned pretty well for common lisp and in my experience if it works for something not very lispy it's more accident than design 12:03:10 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:03:36 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 12:03:55 maybe others have had better luck 12:04:34 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@212.45.155.200] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:04:44 the reader is a very complex thing, and using it for something as simple as the task depicted is not only abusing it, but also complicating matters considerably 12:05:43 demanding that the maintainer of a simple configuration file reader needs to understand the lisp reader is nothing but gross. 12:06:40 hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 12:07:56 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:08:23 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:39 heh, sure. i've never played with the reader before so i was surprised how easy it was to hook characters, but i'll go with stassats` version. 12:08:51 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 12:09:23 hypno: are you reading very large files? if not, use read-line 12:10:18 Nah, these are basically a very perverted version of asm files really. it's just that they express a relational algebra language instead of cpu instructions... 12:11:08 -!- blandest [~user@79.112.62.190] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:29 hypno: well then, use read-line, not some convoluted combination of cond, peek-char and get-char. read-line will be self documenting and immediately obvious. be easy on your human reader. 12:11:47 or ignore me. 12:11:48 :) 12:12:22 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:29 H4ns: you mean read-line in combination with CHAR= to handle special tokens? 12:12:29 zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 12:12:30 and my version doesn't handle EOF easily 12:12:48 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:12:53 but it's fast, you can save 0.000001 seconds 12:13:41 hypno: i'd use a regular expression. in any case, chose a construct that makes you intent obvious. that'll save you from having to write a comment. 12:13:47 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:13:51 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 12:13:51 heh, right. that's extremly important giving the humongos sparc sunfire systems this will run on. :) 12:15:54 hypno: you could write a function remove-comments that accepts a string and strips comments, if any, returning the resulting string. it also needs to accept non-strings and return them. then you can write (loop for line = (remove-comments (read-line stream nil)) while line do ...) 12:16:11 -!- pnq1 [~nick@AC820F79.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:36 H4ns: :) 12:17:43 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:17:58 or you can obfuscate things by using the lisp reader. 12:18:16 pnq [~nick@ACA29B16.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 12:18:39 and instead of cond you can write (defun skip-comments (stream) (and (eq (peek-char t stream nil nil) *comment-char*) (peek-char #\Newline stream nil nil) (read-char stream))) 12:19:13 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 12:20:02 Guest50995 [~mike@ks391369.kimsufi.com] has joined #lisp 12:22:12 paines [~paines@h-62.96.202.36.host.de.colt.net] has joined #lisp 12:22:27 hi 12:22:54 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-22-174.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:25:47 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:25:52 hypno: surely one of the monadic parser libraries is the way to go, for maximum maintainability (: 12:26:40 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:27:16 I am a total newbie in regards of lisp + slime. I have setup a small project and when I try to compile + load it, I always get "sdl is not a designated package." I am using lispbuilder-sdl and defined that the project depends on it. 12:29:08 splittist: hehe, most definetly. 12:30:16 zfx- [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 12:32:01 paines: paste the .asd file and the error message into paste.lisp.org 12:32:19 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-128-165.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:32:42 okay hans 12:32:42 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:32:43 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:33:52 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-40-20.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:34:43 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:35:44 http://paste.lisp.org/+2QHG 12:35:46 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:54 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:36:09 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36:27 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:36:42 and the error message? use "annotate this paste" on that paste page. 12:37:28 done 12:37:31 sorry mate 12:37:59 did you ever load the system that you defined in your .asd file? 12:38:25 (using ",l" in slime or (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :puyopuyo)) 12:38:46 -!- hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has left #lisp 12:39:01 hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 12:39:57 no 12:40:02 I will try that 12:40:03 paines, if you use quicklisp and have the .asd file somewhere that ASDF will magically find it, it will fetch all those dependencies for you when you (ql:quickload "puyopuyo"). 12:40:06 -!- zfx- is now known as zfx 12:40:10 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Changing host] 12:40:10 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 12:40:28 hmmm 12:40:38 I guess i haven#t understood the concept behind this, 12:41:10 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-210-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 12:41:51 I open emacs, start slime, divide the screen, and edit my lisp code in the right buffer, while the left evaluates. but somehow this doesn't want to work tjhe way I want it to. 12:41:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:42:36 sylecn [~sylecn@49.79.66.38] has joined #lisp 12:42:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:42:43 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.37.14] has joined #lisp 12:42:49 paines: if you are expecting asdf alone to go off and fetch dependencies, that wont happen. 12:43:19 hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 12:43:20 zfx, i thought that is exactly it purpose. 12:43:34 looks like I am mistaken 12:43:39 paines: no, its purpose is to help you build your lisp system. think of it like make. 12:43:54 zfx, okay. then it make more sense 12:43:58 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:44:26 paines: quicklisp will help you with the dependency fetching. it will understand your asdf system and do the necessary magic. 12:44:33 zfx, so i f i put my asd file in the quicklisp folder I don't need (asdf:oos 'asdf:load-op :puyopuyo)) ? 12:44:47 -!- maxm--- is now known as maxm- 12:44:56 see the quicklisp site for more information. 12:45:01 -!- hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:45:05 okay 12:45:10 thanks guys 12:45:27 this isn't trvial at all to be honest 12:45:32 but now it make more sense 12:45:45 it isnt perfect, but I think quicklisp will help you significantly. 12:46:25 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 12:47:07 paines: but essentially, yes, you almost never need to interact with ASDF if you are using quicklisp. 12:47:33 zfx: okay. I will take a look. 12:47:36 the pain subsides once you have it all set up smoothly. promise. :) 12:47:36 thanks again 12:47:42 hehe 12:47:46 sounds good 12:48:52 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 12:51:00 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:51:37 blandest [~user@79.112.54.28] has joined #lisp 12:51:44 paines: rather use (asdf:load-system :puyopuyo) 12:52:13 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 12:52:37 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:39 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:52:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:56:21 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.210.47] has joined #lisp 12:56:34 stassats`: You got my hopes up that there was a puyopuyo clone available in quicklisp :( 12:56:54 -!- fdsa is now known as bps 12:57:25 sykopomp: just wait till paines writes it 12:57:28 -!- kennyd_ [~kennyd@78-1-189-181.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:58:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:01:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:01:08 kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-8-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 13:05:25 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 13:06:51 solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvten.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 13:09:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:12:08 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 13:12:12 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.210.47] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:13:16 Hi, (let ((x "abc789cd")) (concatenate 'string "%" (cdr (loop for i across x until (digit-char-p i) collect i)) "%")) this gives me %bc%, is it the nicest way? what if I wanted %bc7% ? 13:14:14 francogrex: What are you doing? 13:14:35 preparing some data to input into an sql statement 13:14:54 Based on what? 13:15:02 introducing wilds etc 13:15:26 francogrex: SUBSEQ with POSITION-IF might be better. 13:15:34 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:15:35 your transformation rule looks arbitrary 13:15:40 I have the raw data as something like "abc789cd" and would like ... ok I will try those 13:15:44 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-210-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:16:30 I want to remove the first char and in one way read until the fuirst digit. and in another I want to include the first digit 13:16:38 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-210-47.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 13:17:34 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:17:39 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:17:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:17:41 francogrex: you can do that fairly easily by adjusting the indexes passed to SUBSEQ 13:18:21 francogrex: I don't know what you're doing, but it sounds strange 13:20:29 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 13:20:38 DGASAU`` [~user@91.218.144.129] has joined #lisp 13:21:31 nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has joined #lisp 13:22:19 -!- DGASAU` [~user@91.218.144.129] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:23:28 hkarlen`` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:24:01 -!- hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:07 -!- hkarlen`` is now known as hkarlen 13:24:50 ehu` [~ehuels@109.32.214.102] has joined #lisp 13:26:50 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:26:58 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.33.0.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:02 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-22-174.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:36 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-22-174.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:29:12 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 13:29:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:35 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:31:28 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 13:31:42 _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.127.8] has joined #lisp 13:32:05 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-22-174.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:35:59 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 13:36:59 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:38:19 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 13:38:28 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.160] has joined #lisp 13:38:31 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:40:50 zulax [~radarwork@199.8.13.122] has joined #lisp 13:40:55 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-196.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 13:41:06 hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 13:42:22 -!- hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:45:34 on emacs and slime, when i C-c C-c it just compiles only the first function 13:45:43 how can i make it compile everything in the page 13:45:50 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:46:25 C-c C-k 13:46:33 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-72-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 13:46:55 p_l: that will be the whole file 13:47:09 thanks 13:48:06 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA29B16.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:48:42 p_l i can auto complete the function now but it still says undefined function 13:49:00 zulax: package issues? 13:49:10 zulax: you're not autocompleting a function, but a symbol 13:49:12 hellows 13:49:18 ok 13:49:37 well i m not importing or using any package, if thats what you mean, i only have simple functions 13:49:37 pnq [~nick@ACA29B16.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:49:37 well, at least that's what i think 13:50:02 after compiling only the first function seems to work 13:50:23 with C-c C-k? 13:50:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:51:14 G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 13:51:15 that does save and compile 13:51:24 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 13:51:25 but i cant run the functions 13:51:31 other than the first one 13:51:46 are there more than one function? 13:51:51 yes 13:51:55 are you sure? 13:51:59 can you paste the file? 13:52:31 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:41 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:52:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:53:07 http://paste.lisp.org/+2QHH 13:53:36 yuck 13:53:43 That is not pretty 13:53:58 I must say that's the first time I've seen hungarian notation in Lisp 13:54:04 zulax: those names are so bad you can't type them right 13:54:07 (i guess) 13:54:50 well i can autocomplete them 13:55:27 it autocompleted your nick as "std1" for some reason 13:56:08 gtg,thanks 13:56:10 zulax: are you trying to use the function hfGetNickel? 13:56:19 i was 13:56:27 zulax: well, you don't have such function 13:56:38 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 13:56:44 gtg, thanks though, i will look at it more later 13:56:53 -!- zulax [~radarwork@199.8.13.122] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 13:57:13 now, how do i unsee that code? 13:57:30 jdz: you can't 13:57:38 there is only one solution 13:57:42 suicide. now 13:57:54 Not so fast 13:58:10 Whaaa? 13:58:27 Update your wills with Quicklisp in mind 13:58:32 HAHA 13:58:41 :-) 13:58:49 Xach: late changes to wills in suicide cases are contested ;) 13:58:53 speaking of quicklisp. Thanks for the update. I made my donation already :-) 14:00:02 when is the next update coming? 14:00:50 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-14-16.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 14:01:13 30 days or so 14:01:36 The first weekend of each month is "quicklisp weekend". February slipped a bit. 14:05:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:40 cool 14:10:20 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:04 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 14:11:34 -!- Adrinael_ is now known as Adrinael 14:12:43 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:12:43 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:12:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:15:09 -!- paines [~paines@h-62.96.202.36.host.de.colt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:38 -!- November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:51 -!- ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:08 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:16 -!- splittist 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(some libraries maybe) 14:49:18 (or maybe an alternative to the Loop) 14:49:55 so many 14:50:12 egnarts-ms: some people use iterate and some people use reiterate 14:50:46 egnarts-ms, ITERATE is one, if "more parentheses" is true lispy :-) 14:51:34 (OK, ITERATE has more than just parentheses.) 14:51:51 dtw: well, by "lispy" i meant tree structuring, and since the latter is expressed with parentheses... :) 14:52:29 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:52:38 loop uses a tree structure 14:52:41 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 14:53:19 Yeah. Complex if-then-else-if-then things are unreadable with LOOP keywords. 14:53:36 -!- hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:41 hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:49 stassats`: formally yes, it uses, but in fact it just unfolds the tree structure of clauses inline 14:54:17 dtw: i'm mostly concerned with indenting problems in Emacs 14:54:30 but not limiting to, of course 14:54:47 slime has a smart indenter for loop. 14:55:30 pkhuong: this is very good then 14:56:41 YMMV but what I most miss about ANSI loop is the extendability that Symbolics loop has 14:56:42 hkarlen`` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 14:56:48 -!- hkarlen`` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:57:03 SBCL loop is extensible 14:57:19 yeah they use the symbolics code 14:58:19 -!- hkarlen` [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 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I'll see if I can reproduce it. 16:03:17 -!- eno_ [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:03:55 -!- Faed is now known as Fade 16:04:29 'morning 16:04:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:04:58 morning 16:05:10 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:05:38 OK, it happens when I load quicklisp/setup.lisp, then evaluate (asdf:test-system 'protobuf). 16:06:20 So it could be something in hu.dwim.stefil. 16:06:58 ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has joined #lisp 16:07:14 ah 16:07:45 Yes, (asdf:load-system 'stefil) generates the warning ... the quicklisp stefil. 16:08:00 thanks. 16:08:08 *Xach* wonders why 16:08:26 Actually, a non-quicklisp Stefil generates the warning too. 16:08:52 *Xach* wonders if it was like that all along and never noticed 16:09:21 morphism [~Nevermind@123.16.232.66] has joined #lisp 16:09:30 hi guys 16:09:34 long time no see 16:09:35 :p 16:10:35 any attempt on defining a full common lisp on .NET ? 16:10:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:14 what happened to Boston Lisp meetings? 16:11:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:11:46 sipo: I moved away, so no one is interested in going anymore ;) 16:12:28 -!- Guest90359 [~user@178.183.159.126.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:54 echo-area [~user@114.254.101.148] has joined #lisp 16:13:12 -!- JKiiski_ [~JKiiski@178.239.192.192] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:27 Xach: Do you still have Rainer Joswig's video of DSLs in lisp? If so, would you make it available again? His server is turned off at the moment 16:15:25 I have a bunch of .mov files but I don't know what they are. 16:15:39 well, concordia.mov lispm-2a.mov lispm-2.mov rainer-lisp-machine-3a.mov rainer-lisp-machine-3.mov 16:15:45 some of them are self-explanatory 16:15:54 someone posted the DSLs video a week or two ago 16:16:01 ..when Neronus previously asked for it. 16:16:31 you could make a torrent and uploaded them somewhere 16:17:01 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:17:35 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:41 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:17:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:18:12 -!- lonstein_ is now known as lonstein 16:18:59 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:48 sellout: :) you used to organize it? i would love to meet Lispers in the area and learn from them! 16:19:59 sipo: Fare used to organize it. 16:20:00 sipo: No, no  I just attended. 16:20:19 I think Fare just got tired of pulling all the weight himself. 16:21:15 He just had a wee baby arrive too 16:21:18 Time-sinks 16:21:32 Wheee! Baby! 16:21:36 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 16:21:38 *hefner* assumed people ran out of stuff to talk about 16:21:40 *sellout* is days away from that himself. 16:21:59 Xach: hu.dwim.asdf/source/system.lisp redefines sb-impl::line-length to always return 160. 16:22:16 brown```: I wonder why. Are there any explanatory remarks? 16:22:19 hefner: I asked for it yesterday, and someone searched for it on their harddrive. He didn't have it 16:22:31 Neronus: you asked a week or two ago, and two people uploaded it. 16:22:33 on lparallel, if anyone is reading the backlogs: it seems the following can not be printed: (lparallel:make-kernel 2). aside from that it works (though it doesn't run psort in parallel locally) 16:22:43 Says it's a workaround for bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/501075 16:23:33 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:34 hefner: I am sure I did not. Maybe somebody else has 16:23:34 congrats sellout 16:23:57 sellout: Congrats :) 16:24:03 cpc261 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 16:25:29 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:25:29 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:25:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:25:53 Neronus: okay, you're right. it was someone else. 16:26:16 http://core.ubermonkey.net/dsl-in-lisp.mov 16:26:23 thank you :) 16:26:52 fast server, too 16:26:55 -!- cpc26 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26:56 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:27:13 thank spacebat` 16:27:25 Just as I found it on the .tbz of an old disk partition... 16:27:39 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:28:08 Did the new sbcl version support multi-threading by default ? 16:28:21 morphism: On Linux x86/amd64, yes 16:28:57 Xach: Thanks for searching 16:29:46 Yuuhi [benni@p5483AD79.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:29:54 hefner: I would if he was here 16:31:13 Thank spacefrogg, then, and ask him to pass it along. 16:31:45 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:31:46 I thought about this, but I thought space is huge, so they might not meet each other to soon 16:31:49 *Xach* uploads dsl-in-lisp.mov to youtube 16:32:27 Xach, I mean on window. 16:33:02 morphism: Next time please say "on Window" or similar. I don't think threading is on by default. The friendly fork has threading. 16:33:06 By default, I think. 16:33:40 yay 16:33:49 someone gave me one, last time. 16:34:42 doing a lot w/ C# in my company just remind me how much I miss Lisp :-s 16:35:10 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:23 Adlai`` [~adlai@109-186-99-69.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #lisp 16:35:24 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@58.33.127.8] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:35:30 -!- Adlai`` is now known as Adlai` 16:35:35 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 16:35:38 -!- Adlai` [~adlai@109-186-99-69.bb.netvision.net.il] has quit [Changing host] 16:35:38 Adlai` [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 16:35:40 morphism: we've done java the past two days... it's such an odd language when you look at it from a distant perspective. 16:35:59 it's even more odd up close 16:36:04 -!- Adlai` is now known as Adlai 16:36:55 stassats`: unless you haven't seen something better before and keep staring for years and years... then it'll start looking normal 16:37:31 does anyone use lparallel? i can't seem to make it run psort in parallel, at least top doesn't indicate more than 100% cpu usage on a multicore machine 16:37:37 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:38:10 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 16:39:11 -!- tvaalen_ [~r@67.217.170.35] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:39:18 http://youtu.be/5FlHq_iiDW0 is dsl-in-lisp.mov (720p looks pretty good) 16:39:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:39:31 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:39:48 -!- Guest50995 is now known as mk_ 16:40:03 "This video is unlisted." is this intentional? 16:40:10 -!- mk_ is now known as mikekelly 16:40:22 -!- mikekelly is now known as _mk 16:40:29 -!- _mk is now known as mk___ 16:41:04 Yes, for now. 16:41:28 madnificent, I'm still playing with closure in C# along w/ threading to hope one day, I can make my own Lisp implementation on .NET \m/ 16:41:59 tvaalen [~r@67.217.170.35] has joined #lisp 16:42:57 morphism: distant future ;) 16:42:59 why don't you hope on ditching .net and using an existing Lisp implementation? 16:44:01 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:44:10 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 16:44:19 @.@ I want to intergrate it into VS to assist me 16:44:39 Assist you with what? 16:46:26 looking at rainer's dsl-in-lisp movie, I can't help but think he'd be much happier with a few emacs keyboard macros. 16:47:12 lispworks uses an Emacs, so it supports keyboard macros 16:50:57 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:51:03 ooh, thanks for uploading the dsl video! 16:51:17 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 16:51:17 I have a bunch of other videos too. 16:51:31 wow, is that os x tiger? other-cat? (: 16:51:36 *antifuchs* feels old (: 16:51:41 yay, glad you kept them 16:51:51 ikki [~ikki@61-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has joined #lisp 16:51:59 I removed my last remaining copies a while ago, GC bug ): 16:52:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:53:03 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.214.173] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:54:21 Xach: How about uploading them, too, and then linking from cliki? 16:54:27 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:54:27 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:54:27 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:54:27 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 16:55:20 Ah, he's German, I guess. Familiar accent 16:56:04 most Rainers are! (-: 16:56:23 Well, in this time and age you never know 16:56:29 true! 16:58:10 zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has joined #lisp 16:58:21 indeed, keyboard macros would've been good 16:58:36 -!- zmv is now known as Guest39274 16:58:46 kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 16:59:01 -!- Guest39274 is now known as notzmv 16:59:04 benny` [~benny@i577A1DD9.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:59:34 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 16:59:55 and downcase-region 16:59:57 -!- benny` is now known as benny 17:00:40 -!- kamorick1 [~james@68-191-222-2.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has left #lisp 17:00:41 kamorick1 [~james@68-191-222-2.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:00:45 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.133] has joined #lisp 17:01:04 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:01:28 -!- JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:03:00 I can see where this is going. I read developing like this in On Lisp. First write the code that you want your macros to produce, then write the macros. Served me well. 17:04:05 -!- kamorick1 [~james@68-191-222-2.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has left #lisp 17:04:39 kamorick1 [~james@68-191-222-2.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has joined #lisp 17:04:46 -!- kamorick1 [~james@68-191-222-2.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com] has left #lisp 17:05:19 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:05:36 Fade: Your youtube handle is extremely 31337 17:05:42 kamoricks [~james@Syncleus/dev/freeone3000] has joined #lisp 17:06:47 -!- erg_ is now known as erg 17:06:51 alas, the vagaries of a four character handle. 17:07:13 and here I thought it was always elite, if only because it's a valid hex string. :) 17:08:01 this cisco appropriation os "LISP" is annoying. 17:08:10 yes. and intentional. 17:08:34 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:09:57 And I thought he would go through the complete video without a single error. One error is still amazing though 17:09:57 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:10:09 Neronus: I also find it helpful the write the code using the macros you want to exist before writing the macros. 17:10:29 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:12:21 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:13:11 ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 17:14:02 heh, a few declarations gets lisp glxgears up to 3333fps, which is a few short of the C version's 5131fps, but still not bad 17:14:37 zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has joined #lisp 17:14:38 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:14:38 -!- zfx [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Client Quit] 17:14:45 i paid good money for this SLI video card rig, i want nothing less than 5kfps 17:15:09 oGMo: using VBOs? 17:15:14 -!- ikki [~ikki@61-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:15:39 well, this is a workstation card, the 8800s that used to be in here got stupid high FPS, but the point is more matching, glx, and working direct render 17:16:27 Ralith: no, left the default, which is a fairly direct translation of the C version, for a fair comparison. clearly it could be optimized by not rendering the gears every frame, but then it wouldn't be comparable 17:16:41 er, building the gears 17:17:50 oGMo: How did you decide where to put the declarations? Intuition? Did you listen to SBCL's warnings? 17:18:03 experience! 17:18:05 i just eliminted sbcl's notes, yeah 17:18:30 -!- zfx- [~zfx@109.174.157.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18:48 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 17:18:49 (without, was ~1800fps) 17:19:45 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 17:20:41 -!- kaol_ is now known as kaol 17:22:51 -!- egnarts-ms [~smsmfk@195.160.233.181] has left #lisp 17:23:12 -!- nha [~prefect@imamac13.epfl.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:24:06 Xach - i have a hard time believing the the engineers at cisco didn't grok that there was a collision with the programming language, but I wonder why you say it was intentional. 17:25:07 I say it because there are other hilarious "puns" within the LISP spec. 17:25:21 I think they thought "Hey, let's make this great joke about this thing from the 60s that nobody uses any more" 17:25:35 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 17:25:46 guh 17:25:56 levi [~user@c-174-52-219-147.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:26:07 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:26:07 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:26:10 -!- Guest65177 is now known as Jabberwockey 17:26:28 Though maybe I'm remembering wrong. I'll review. 17:26:29 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 17:26:32 Fade: various structures in LISP routing are called CONS, CDR, CAR, etc. 17:26:48 somebody should be boiled in oil. 17:26:56 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:14 does anybody use this LISP? 17:27:27 stassats`: yes. 17:27:35 ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.69] has joined #lisp 17:28:26 Fade: ah yes, see http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-meyer-lisp-cons-03.txt 17:28:29 facebook does 17:28:32 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 17:28:32 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 17:28:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:28:44 Maybe that's one person's personal joke on top of a non-joke 17:28:54 -!- Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:07 I am not impress. 17:29:29 it was bad enough as a negligent oversite. 17:29:50 -!- Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:31:01 Xach: no 17:31:11 it's definitely not "one person's joke" 17:31:44 not given the fact that it's part of ongoing effort to actually get IPv6 deployable 17:31:52 cabaire [~nobody@80.187.200.194] has joined #lisp 17:31:52 Xach: looks like githire is dead. apparently they no longer have access to the github APIs. 17:31:55 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 17:32:21 but i already paid them $1000 to find me a lisp hacker in maine to do quicklisp work! 17:32:45 surely the APIs will come back up? 17:33:08 Ralith: it's not a problem of the API being down. They're no longer allowed to use it. 17:33:10 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:13 what. 17:33:35 hmmm? 17:33:49 there is a TOS on the thing. 17:33:55 I believe. 17:34:00 -!- ikki [~ikki@200.95.163.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:34:30 I presume githire isn't doing anything malicious; what's the violation? 17:34:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:34:59 gigamonkey: is that *very* recent? 17:35:13 Well they may have made too many API calls. Also they spammed github users and made them mad. Is my understanding. 17:35:26 p_l: yeah, I think since that thing in the NY Times came out. 17:35:40 gigamonkey: but recent as in *days*? 17:36:00 hello all 17:36:03 *p_l* doesn't really follow NYT 17:36:26 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:36:26 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:36:26 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:36:27 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:37:02 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:37:05 By the way of new york: Time to go to the metropolitan museum of art. Anybody coming? 17:37:42 but I know that GitHub recently had rather heavy network issues, as well some technical problems, which *could* be caused by unrestricted scraping 17:37:45 do they have an exhibition on Lisp? 17:38:25 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #lisp 17:38:28 gigamonkey: http://developer.github.com/v3/#rate-limiting they already seem to have a limit on request per hour 17:38:35 Xach: Some packages have text in various encodings in comments (usually the authour's names). Depending on environment, that can prevent the package from loading, even though it's just in a comment. 17:38:50 Xach: Do you think there's a way to get QL deal with that? 17:39:09 stassats`: I doubt it :) 17:39:27 loke: I'm a little insensitive about that issue because it's no problem for SBCL. 17:39:36 loke: poke authors to use a proper encoding 17:40:01 are all source files expected to be utf-8 these days? 17:40:01 Xach: actually... the package rfc2388 doesn't load on a default installation of SBCL on OSX 17:40:02 -!- bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:02 loke: I've lobbied CLISP authors to make encoding errors in a comment non-fatal, but some people dreamed up nightmare scenarios that could result and no change was made. 17:40:05 p_l: yes, days, I think. 17:40:07 (because of exactly that) 17:40:17 hefner: ASCII would be fine 17:40:29 loke: That's not in a comment, though. 17:40:35 stassats`: Ah yes 17:40:45 stassats`: that's in an ASDF authour sting 17:40:46 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:40:52 gigamonkey: I suspect they effectively DoSed GitHub 17:41:03 loke: I prefer to set up my Mac OS X environment so that it does use UTF-8 by default. I have a ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist for that 17:41:11 *Xach* digs it up 17:41:17 Xach: what kind of nightmare scenarious would occurr, by the way? (not that I care about CLISP :-) ) 17:41:30 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has joined #lisp 17:41:40 loke: oh, that some character is incorrectly interpreted and it leads to reading lisp data as a comment or vice versa 17:41:58 loke: it makes CLISP behave sanely, which isn't its goal 17:42:00 something to do with missing the end of a line or some such insanely unlikely scenario that would break sbcl and be caught instantly 17:42:05 Xach: yeah, but I figured that since QL should know what the correct encoding is (utf-8, always?) for QL packages, I figured that perhaps QL could always force it when loading? 17:42:29 loke: I think it's too late by the time QL can intercede, and I'm not sure I want it to. 17:42:34 stassats`: yeah, I've often wondered what CLISP's goal was... 17:43:02 lol 17:43:04 Xach: why would it be too late? Wouldn't it be able to always force the correct encoding for all QL project files it knows about? 17:43:11 p_l: that's consistent with what I heard. 17:43:13 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has joined #lisp 17:43:42 loke: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127447 is what i use 17:44:18 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:44:18 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:44:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:44:19 Has anyone played with the cl pdf parser to figure out how to add an image (e.g. a signature) to a PDF document. 17:44:27 loke: the easiest thing i know is setting up the environment before starting the lisp. after that each lisp has its own notion of how to specify the encoding, and i'm not sure how that flows through asdf, either. 17:45:09 Ok... 17:45:18 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 17:45:24 I'm certainly not an asdf expert, so I'll take your word for it :-) 17:46:06 ikki [~ikki@91-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has joined #lisp 17:46:40 I'd like the experience to be painless but I'm not sure I want to take on the pain to fix it yet. 17:46:47 It looks painful. 17:47:22 (setf sb-impl::*default-external-format* '(:utf-8 :replacement #\?)) might solve some problems 17:49:13 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:49:19 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:49:39 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 17:49:39 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 17:49:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:50:06 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.133] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:50:07 -!- Posterdati [~chain@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:08 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-179-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 17:51:16 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:50 bsamograd [~user@184.71.240.90] has joined #lisp 17:53:09 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:53:50 nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #lisp 17:55:47 It seems that CLISP is not liked very much. I "dumped" it basically because of this: (wild-pathname-p (make-pathname :name "*")) => T 17:56:07 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.133] has joined #lisp 17:56:37 dtw: CCL does that too. the lesson to be learned, I think, is to not use pathnames for anything you expect to work. 17:56:44 dtw: it's slow and quirky 17:57:30 I took the lesson to pick a satisfying implementation and not bother too much about portable code between implementations. 17:57:49 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 17:58:06 dtw: the wildcard-in-pathname stuff has been the subject of some recent debate about how to fix. 17:58:25 dtw: i think someone wants to do some right thing but it's not clear and there's not a lot of energy going into ongoing development. 17:59:21 i've often wondered where the clisp devs are. 17:59:38 most of the other CL people seem to make at least glancing visitation to this irc network. 17:59:40 Fade: at least some are high 17:59:55 at least when writing C internals 18:00:28 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 18:00:43 where are lispworks developers? 18:00:47 *hefner* doesn't remember seeing LW or Franz people here. 18:01:01 antifuchs is here. 18:01:03 :) 18:01:05 antifuchs doesn't count. 18:01:08 hefner: didn't antifuchs work for Franz? :) 18:01:11 he was here already! 18:01:11 heh 18:01:22 it seems to me that pathnames are a bit of a mess. it's either too complex, or it doesn't map to what we have now, or it doesn't serve the purpose. 18:01:23 *madnificent* ducks 18:01:55 -!- cabaire [~nobody@80.187.200.194] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:01:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:02:01 Posterdati [~tapioca@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 18:02:45 implementation discrepancies is the worst thing about pathnames 18:02:55 also I think antifuchs is no longer at franz :-) 18:02:56 I've been using iolib.syscalls for some filesystem stuff but I kind of like pathnames too. They work nicely in SBCL with sb-ext:parse-native-namestring and sb-ext:native-namestring. 18:03:37 jsnell: I think he might still be contracting to them a bit, but yeah  he's at Square. The non-lisping company full of lispers ;) 18:03:37 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:03:37 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:03:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:03:46 (Actually, maybe they use Lisp, I dunno.) 18:03:55 s/square/stripe/ 18:03:55 hi 18:04:01 stassats`: but if they are within what the spec allows, then shouldn't the spec have been more explicit? 18:04:04 jsnell: Oh, right, sorry. 18:04:08 is there a list of quicklisp loadable packages? 18:04:36 Too similar names for too similar businesses :) 18:04:59 ok found it! 18:05:03 Posterdati: everything included in quicklisp 18:05:44 bonch [~bonch@174.137.69.7] has joined #lisp 18:09:00 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@dhcp-077-249-189-185.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 18:09:19 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 18:09:39 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:57 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 18:10:04 alek_b_ [~alek_b@99-10-120-63.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:11:53 -!- johann_ is now known as myrkraverk 18:12:51 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@85-220-60-172.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Changing host] 18:12:51 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 18:13:02 -!- bonch [~bonch@174.137.69.7] has quit [Quit: bonch] 18:16:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:17:39 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 18:17:41 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:17:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:20:39 jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.231] has joined #lisp 18:20:54 m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.237] has joined #lisp 18:22:19 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.41.169.117.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 18:23:26 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:24:15 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-8-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: bye] 18:24:57 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:30:00 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:30:22 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:30:49 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 18:31:16 hi 18:31:26 is there commonqt in quicklisp? 18:31:33 Posterdati: commonqt is in quicklisp. 18:31:38 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:31:38 -!- morphism [~Nevermind@123.16.232.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:42 you did find the list, didn't you? 18:31:59 Posterdati: you can answer questions like that yourself, sometimes, with (ql:system-apropos "commonqt") 18:32:18 stassats`: yes, but (ql:quickload "commonqt") failed to load it 18:32:22 Xach: ok 18:32:30 Posterdati: that is not the name of the system 18:32:39 The system is named "qt" 18:32:42 is qt the name? 18:32:49 That system-apropos feature is truly excellent. 18:32:50 ok I saw it from apropos, thanks 18:33:22 working now! 18:33:51 Xach, stassats`: I mistaken it in (quickproject:make-project ...) stuff 18:34:27 quickproject is a swiss-army knife tool :) 18:34:35 cwardell [~cwardell@ool-4351ef1e.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 18:37:08 cpc262 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has joined #lisp 18:38:16 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:38:58 sousousou [~bcarmer@97-119-197-2.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:22 -!- cpc261 [~cpc26@fsf/member/cpc26] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40:57 I was working at franz, and am now working at stripe (: 18:41:14 what is stripe? 18:41:39 oh lord 18:41:45 clearly they haven't gotten enough press hits yet! 18:41:48 antifuchs: how's the influx of millions monies affecting you? 18:41:57 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-128.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 18:43:22 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 18:43:25 not much has changed yet, apart from a bigger team of extremely talented people, and a bigger office ((: 18:43:28 that all goes to improving the arc backend 18:43:29 -!- sousousou [~bcarmer@97-119-197-2.hlna.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:44:42 ahahah oh no help (: 18:45:07 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:46:37 francogrex [6d824979@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.130.73.121] has joined #lisp 18:47:57 Hi, I tried to compile sbcl with Able (http://common-lisp.net/project/able/) it works very well, but (dribble) creates a file but doesn't dribble anything to it 18:48:32 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:39 though thesame sbcl in emacs dribbles fine. Is it possible that the editor influences the behavior? 18:48:41 urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-206-130.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #lisp 18:49:03 tsuru```` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-45-251.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:04 antifuchs: stripe is using lisp in the backend? 18:49:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:44 -!- cwardell [~cwardell@ool-4351ef1e.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: cwardell] 18:49:44 -!- blandest [~user@79.112.54.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:50 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:19 not yet we're not (: 18:50:22 -!- jdz [~jdz@87.4.39.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:50:27 but that may happen one day (: 18:50:42 francogrex: it is possible 18:51:04 -!- tsuru``` [~charlie@adsl-98-87-52-188.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:51:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:52:49 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.179.133] has quit [Quit: Offline] 18:53:52 i remember saikat from #lisp in the past 18:56:44 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:31 Fade: Not to mention their founder  (although I don't recall if he was ever in #lisp) 18:57:34 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has joined #lisp 18:58:39 uh, nice. hardware transactional memory in intels next processor generation. http://software.intel.com/file/41417 18:58:55 aleron [~brad@3.sub-166-248-140.myvzw.com] has joined #lisp 19:00:49 wow. that's pretty sweet. 19:01:12 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:01:54 yeah, heard of it 19:01:55 It's pretty interesting. I need to either a) think about it harder, or b) get someone to explain it to me in small words. 19:02:09 Transaction memory is ... funky. 19:03:45 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:06:50 -!- francogrex [6d824979@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.130.73.121] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:40 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 19:14:00 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 19:15:14 makes me want to write something insanely fast and non-portable :) 19:15:55 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 19:16:10 H4ns: like marc battyani! 19:17:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 19:20:11 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.193.86] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:21:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:25:48 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 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francogrex (let ((x "abc789cd")) (concatenate 'string "%" (cdr (loop for i across x 19:40:12 collect i until (digit-char-p i))) "%")) --> "%bc7%" 19:41:11 barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-134-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 19:41:27 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@mobile-198-228-194-087.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 19:43:01 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:43:15 kwmiebach__ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-222-193.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:16 -!- kmcorbett [kmcorbett@clozure-C1AA9842.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout] 19:44:28 -!- pjb` is now known as pjb 19:44:30 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-166-107-217-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:44:30 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 19:45:08 -!- kwmiebach_ [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-222-226.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:46:31 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 19:47:06 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better. 19:55:50 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:55:50 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:55:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:56:10 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-399891.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57:38 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:12 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-190406.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:58:42 Xach: of course, the next trick is to read the whole file with various encoding doing statistics on the words 19:59:31 perhaps it would be simplest to just cycle through all known encodings in order of commonality until one works 19:59:55 Ralith: Just start with Latin-1 :) 19:59:56 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-246.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:00:14 ^^ 20:00:28 O(1) 20:05:05 kilon_alios [~kilon@athedsl-402575.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 20:05:35 -!- kilon 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20:16:35 add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-14-115.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 20:17:33 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 20:19:34 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqrkmlaqzchxdswa] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:20:45 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itrnbzeazcjpvetj] has joined #lisp 20:21:01 -!- kilon_alios is now known as kilon 20:22:23 -!- Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: Life without danger is a waste of oxygen] 20:24:17 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-027.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:26:50 Ralith: in practice, byte sequence found in files can be decoded successfuly with a lot of encodings. Most encodings don't have erroneous code sequences. But if you do spellchecking on the result (at least on words that change from one encoding to another), you should be able to restrict to some probable encodings. 20:27:23 Ralith: now of course, your file could be full of dingbats, that don't spell check well But even dingbats are subject to statistics. 20:27:40 pjb: the goal is to successfully load the code, not to correctly decode the comment. 20:28:15 Even dingbats are subject to statistics. 20:28:37 cabaire [~nobody@xdsl-78-35-172-24.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 20:28:41 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.160] has joined #lisp 20:29:56 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 20:30:05 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:31:24 -!- aleron [~brad@3.sub-166-248-140.myvzw.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:34:08 Ralith: what if the code is like that: (defun sous-chaîne (chaîne début fin) (subseq chaîne début fin)) ? 20:35:27 Granted a wrong decoding would be the same in the whole file so it wouldn't change the meaning of it, only the name of the symbols. 20:35:30 then it will be decoded correctly on the first try, because UTF-8 is the appropriate first attempt. 20:35:43 Not if it is encoded in iso-8859-1. 20:35:55 sepuku_ [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has joined #lisp 20:36:01 your example was UTF-8 ^^ 20:36:30 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:51 -!- sepuku_ [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has quit [Client Quit] 20:39:24 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:41:21 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:41:21 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:41:21 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:41:32 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-itrnbzeazcjpvetj] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41:42 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-157-185.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:42:24 Cosman24` [~user@D-69-91-157-185.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 20:42:34 246 20:42:38 -!- Cosman24` is now known as Cosman246` 20:43:01 Nicer color. 20:43:47 of course, what would really be nice would be a way to decode UTF-8 such that unrecognized sequences were merely replaced with the 'invalid character' character 20:44:02 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-157-185.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:44:03 Ralith: clisp can do it. 20:44:09 -!- Cosman246` is now known as Cosman246 20:44:13 good 20:44:22 -!- kamoricks [~james@Syncleus/dev/freeone3000] has left #lisp 20:44:24 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:44:25 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:56 but I thought Xach implied there was no way to decode a file containing invalid characters? 20:45:55 many lisp unicode implementations have a character substitution restart 20:46:20 *Ralith* recalls being unable to find such a thing for sbcl some time ago 20:46:48 patch it :D 20:47:54 With gray-streams, is it possible to have a fundamental-character-output-stream that, given an array of bytes instead of a string, still writes the sequence out? 20:47:59 -!- cabaire [~nobody@xdsl-78-35-172-24.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:08 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:49:16 I've noticed on CCL that even though I have a stream-write-sequence method for the stream class, CCL bypasses that when I call write-sequence, and starts using stream-write-char instead (...even though I *also* have a stream-write-string method, to boot) 20:49:16 seems like you'd be better off just having a stream of unsigned-byte to start off with 20:50:18 _sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has joined #lisp 20:50:46 dlowe: well, I'd like to allow character output into that stream, as well. 20:51:10 so if you send in characters, it'll convert it to some external-format automatically, otherwise it'll just send the data through as-is. 20:55:14 I think flexistreams were made for that particular use case 20:56:05 I'm using flexi-streams under the hood. I was hoping to hide that from the user. 20:56:25 I see 20:57:11 -!- _sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:00:33 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@m212-152-14-115.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Quit: add^_] 21:01:09 sepuku__ [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has joined #lisp 21:01:26 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 21:02:16 Hah. Solved. Looks like I needed to subclass trivial-gray-stream-mixin before the other stream classes. Works fine now. :) 21:03:55 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Quit: #WeeChat #Mises #emacs] 21:07:46 davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has joined #lisp 21:10:13 I hope I did not wasted my time writing this, coz I asked on #emacs before if it existed 21:10:14 http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/newpaste.el 21:10:27 Hello all. A question for you 21:11:05 I had a macro do-cartesian to avoid to nest loops 21:11:09 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127653 21:11:13 RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:13 stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:11:29 however I want to integrate do-cartesian with blocks well, 21:12:10 It is already. 21:12:11 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:12:11 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@cpe-69-203-115-155.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:17 I guess that (return) will exit from the inner loop, and I want that the nil-block exits 21:12:28 of all the do-cartesian macro, any idea? 21:12:41 (block outer (do-cartesian (a b c) (block inner (if (zerop (random 2)) (return-from inner) (return-from outer))))) 21:13:12 pjb: integrate :-), I want it to be the default (nil) block 21:14:01 davazp: You must refrain from the built-in dolist, then. 21:14:09 french [~french@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:14:21 either use a lower level construct such as tagbody, or insert a new block nil. 21:14:34 Xach: any loop has not an implicit block? 21:14:42 pjb: Insert a new block nil where? 21:14:51 osa1 [~sinan@88.243.108.145] has joined #lisp 21:14:52 around ,@code 21:15:01 pjb: What good will that do? 21:15:03 but it will have to derecursive the do-cartisan macro. 21:15:21 So that a (return val) from ,@code exits from that block. 21:15:32 Is this a case where you have quickly given a wrong answer and you will spend six or so questions and answers discovering it? 21:15:33 Hi 21:15:55 Then stop asking questions, I'd be faster at coding it. 21:16:07 what a pain. Someone should provide a package with non-blocked versions of the main loops 21:16:15 ok, `loop' could be avoid :-D 21:16:25 how do i remove a package with quicklisp, i see uninstall and uninstall-dist but they mostly errored or didn't output any deleted signals 21:16:42 kenanb: uninstall is the thing to use. 21:16:56 davazp: MAP doesn't have blocks 21:17:04 kenanb: Do you mean you want to remove the disk files of a project? 21:17:39 yeah 21:17:50 kenanb: What project do you want to uninstall? What happened when you tried? 21:18:18 kenanb: Why do you want to do it? 21:18:40 stassats`: good idea! 21:18:47 Xach: i was trying to delete glaw 21:18:52 davazp: i know! 21:19:18 kenanb: why? and what happened when you used (ql:uninstall "glaw")? 21:19:24 So, githire wasn't totally useless. A twitter conversation mocking them launched my current job search which just came to a successful conclusion. 21:19:36 I try to create a function who give the number of sub list with a number of atom who will give like argument. who can help me ? http://pastebin.com/Wa8PAiVz 21:19:41 davazp: http://paste.lisp.org/+2QHX/1 21:19:59 (ql:uninstall "glaw") outputs nil, (ql:uninstall (ql-dist:release "glaw")) errors 21:20:01 gigamonkey: With whom? 21:20:04 Etsy. 21:20:31 I'm not going to be a data scientist but I'm going to play one on the web. 21:20:35 kenanb: NIL means it worked. I'll change it to t. 21:20:45 gigamonkey: Nice. My mom is a happy customer. 21:20:53 -!- bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Adios] 21:20:54 change it ":everything-is-deleted" 21:20:58 Xach: ah, great, thanks 21:21:20 the system still seems loaded but i guess that is the expected behavior 21:21:20 Xach: Excellent. Buying or selling? 21:21:31 Something non-nil, anyway. I always hated when asdf returned nil to mean "yep it worked" 21:21:49 kenanb: you still haven't answered: why are you uninstalling it? 21:21:53 return :succes. 21:21:54 -!- yours_truly [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:21:58 pjb: sorry, but the (block nil) should be outer! otherwise (return) should somelike that 'continue' 21:21:59 gigamonkey: Selling handmade dolls. 21:22:03 :success would be better 21:22:10 pjb: but map is the solution 21:22:11 I will return non_NIL. 21:22:14 davazp: no. Because dolist introduce inner block nil! 21:22:15 non-nil, that is 21:22:24 :non-nil 21:22:27 :D 21:22:29 Xach: it seemed problematic 21:22:37 Xach: link? 21:23:01 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:23:04 pjb: (do-cartesian ((a list1) (b list2)) (return)) should do nothing 21:23:05 mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 21:23:08 kenanb: Ok. uninstall deletes the files but it does not modify your running environment. 21:23:28 http://maineartisen.etsy.com [sic] 21:23:30 in your case, it will iterate across all the loops 21:23:36 Xach: it starts to error constantly if it fails to run an example once, probably trying to reinitialize something but fail, i am not sure 21:24:22 kenanb: uninstall will not hurt, but it does not fix that situation. you might have to restart the lisp environment. 21:24:27 and the examples were crashing on unicode character input when i run it from slime, but i am very sure my locale settings are utf8, so i guessed the problem is glaw related 21:25:18 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:25:37 *Xach* discovers his mom's twitter account 21:25:37 i find this hard to believe 21:25:55 it's true, i tell you! 21:26:07 Xach: i just have this mental sickness of uninstalling everything that i decide not to use, an illness that dates back to times of me being a windows user 21:26:20 davazp: you're right it wasn't correct, here it is: http://paste.lisp.org/+2QHX/2 21:26:26 you know, nearly everything effects windows boot times 21:26:31 even the weather outside 21:27:12 Hey, those aren't true Waldorf dolls--they have eyes! 21:27:49 Actually, we may have bought a doll from your mom--we have one just like that, named Heavy Baby because it is heavy enough that Amelia could barely pick it up when she was 18 months old. 21:29:27 -!- sepuku__ [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:30:03 -!- ikki [~ikki@91-r9-r1m.bb.itelcel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:32:15 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 21:36:16 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 21:36:39 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-188-196.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:49 -!- barryfm [~barryfm@fl-71-2-134-179.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has left #lisp 21:38:51 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.40.133] has joined #lisp 21:39:01 -!- notzmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:23 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:41:20 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 21:43:39 -!- french [~french@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: IRC webchat at http://irc2go.com/] 21:45:01 sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has joined #lisp 21:46:35 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:47:53 myrkraverk [~johann@85-220-60-172.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #lisp 21:47:53 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@85-220-60-172.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has quit [Changing host] 21:47:53 myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has joined #lisp 21:48:31 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: =/] 21:48:35 -!- sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:49:22 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 21:50:55 sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has joined #lisp 21:51:46 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.243.108.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 21:55:40 Matin [~Matin@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:44 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:50 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:55:50 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:55:50 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 21:56:08 Hi 21:56:12 I try to create a function who give the number of sub list with a number of atom who will give like argument. who can help me ? http://pastebin.com/MHptxjeP 21:56:34 changing names won't help you 21:56:53 you can start by reading Practical Common Lisp 21:57:36 this guy may be a troll imho 21:57:50 the (char (string x)) is just too unbeleivable 21:58:16 maxm-: not all ignorant people are trolls 21:58:33 but its like the 3rd day he comes back with that problem 21:59:37 i thought the first time he was here people pointed him the right direction, pjb especially i think 22:00:28 maxm-: and different nick each time 22:00:45 the code style gives it away though 22:02:47 Matin: so you're guite late doing your homework aren't you? 22:02:55 -!- asvil` [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:03:15 Matin: notice news:fr.comp.lang.lisp and http://cliki.net/ 22:03:46 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:34 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@31.24.92.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:04:53 Or, is it the same IP? At least it's the same ISP. 22:05:47 Matin: on the contrary, changing nicknames dis-serves you, because you may get answers (stored in memoserv) while you're not connected. If you connect with a different nick, you don't get them. 22:06:01 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:06:22 sipo: well, the first time he left too soon, so I memoed him but since he connects with a different nick 22:06:54 Matin: you can read the logs: http://ccl.clozure.com/irc-logs/lisp/ 22:07:52 osa1 [~sinan@88.243.108.145] has joined #lisp 22:08:27 Drop, it is not grave, if it's a problem to help me. 22:09:55 gab31 [5f53543c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.83.84.60] has joined #lisp 22:10:36 I don't feel like to be understandable during hours 22:10:56 Matin: we like to help. But you don't seem to catch anything. 22:10:59 the only thing you can do to help yourself is to start reading books, like Practical Common Lisp, or Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation 22:11:09 hi guys, there is a nested plist: (:foo (:bar bar) (:baz baz)) how can I modify BAZ (in common lisp)? 22:11:38 gab31: that doesn't look like a plist to me 22:12:12 stassats`: give me an example of your plist 22:12:14 and what do you mean by modifying baz? it's a symbol, you can't modify it 22:12:51 gab31: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/26_glo_p.htm#property_list 22:13:18 Matin: unfortunately they're all in English. There's only this text in French: http://web.archive.org/web/20100107065817/http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~strandh/Teaching/Programmation-Symbolique/Common/Book/HTML/programmation.html 22:13:37 Matin: but if you had any reading capacity, you'd know that already, since you'd have found it in cliki.net. 22:13:54 Hey guys, it looks like beach's page at labri is out! 22:14:11 alternative link: http://dept-info.labri.fr/~idurand/enseignement/PFS/Book/programmation.html 22:14:15 Matin: people here do help and i can vouch that as a beginner like yourself just that as they point out, they resolved your question when you were not around so you should check the logs and see what they pointed out 22:14:20 stassats`: modify the element of the list (i.e. replace BAZ to FOO) for example 22:14:30 pjb: link? 22:14:42 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.243.108.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:58 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:22 gab31: fine, so, did you get what a plist is? 22:15:32 Matin: We made a number of answers to your question last night. 22:15:38 stassats`: Oh, I'm sorry: (:foo (:bar bar :baz baz)) 22:15:38 *sipo* did not know about memo serve, and has been different nick fro 22:15:48 bsamograd: http://dept-info.labri.u-bordeaux.fr/~strandh/ 22:16:19 pjb: Access forbidden... 22:16:34 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.134.199.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: paul0] 22:16:38 Yes, that's what I'm saying. 22:16:59 oh haha, i thought you meant out like released 22:17:11 Universities are dumb: they discontinue home pages when their searchers/professors leave them it seems. 22:17:14 *sykopomp* plays around with a defprotocol macro. http://paste.lisp.org/display/127661 22:17:16 gab31: that's better 22:17:34 gab31: (setf (getf (getf list :foo) :baz) 10) 22:17:34 stassats`: I tried to do (setf (getf (getf ... bot it won't work 22:17:43 Matin: This is the recursive one: http://wklej.org/id/685906/, the other would be: (defun longueur-2 (x liste) (count-if #'(lambda (y) (and (listp y) (equal (length y) x))) liste)) 22:18:22 Matin: There was a map (check sublist length returning 0|1)/reduce #'+ version, too. 22:18:43 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.192.192] has joined #lisp 22:18:52 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:19:40 stassats`: oh 22:19:44 stassats`: works now 22:19:47 Matin: if you have problems with English, try #lisp-fr 22:19:50 of course it does! 22:23:25 I've got, it won't work with let.. 22:24:01 hello to everyone 22:24:06 sousousou [~bcarmer@97-119-197-2.hlna.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:11 gab31: your let is wrong 22:24:16 for example (let ((var (getf (getf ... )))) (setf var 'foo)) won't work 22:24:39 Sure it'll work. It'll set the variable VAR. 22:24:59 gab31: what even made you think it will? 22:25:26 -!- ghoti- [4c1b035d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.27.3.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:21 If you define an accessor for the key you want (both reading and writing, you can write: (with-accessors (var getf--accessor) (getf ) (setf var 'foo)) 22:27:11 gab31: (let* ((sub-list (getf list :foo))) (setf (getf sub-list :baz) 10)) will work, on the other hand 22:27:22 Isn't there some straightforward way of concatenating symbols into a new symbol that I'm forgetting? 22:27:32 sykopomp: no 22:27:34 (besides converting them to strings, concatenating, and interning) 22:27:43 hm. Alright. Thanks. 22:27:50 i'm studying practical common lisp and i try to make a 'dummy' db to keep record of which albums i have ripped to mp3,taken a back up and edited the id3tags 22:28:05 sykopomp: (alexandria:format-symbol *package* "~a~a" 'a 'b) 22:28:20 sykopomp: (intern (format nil "~{~A~}" '(a b c))) is straigforward. 22:28:25 zulax [~radarwork@99-120-232-161.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 22:28:53 the problem is that i use format as the examples in the book ,but don't see it the way i want(i don't want the info to be shown in a row) 22:28:53 it's true. I just thought I'd seen something really concise before. :) 22:29:05 here's my code, if anyone can help: 22:29:11 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127663 22:30:06 sepuku: you didn't say what you wanted. 22:30:19 sepuku: the ~% is what causes the newlines, if that's what you don't want. 22:30:27 Matin: my offer for #lisp-fr is over. 22:31:01 pjb: i did: i don't want the info to be shown in a line 22:31:15 it isn't shown in a line 22:31:20 gigamonkey: i want new lines but i don't see them 22:31:35 sepuku: as gigamonkey said: (format t "{~a:~%~10t~a~%~}~%" music) 22:31:43 sepuku: can you paste what you see and what you want to see? 22:31:48 sepuku: as gigamonkey said: (format t "~{~a:~%~10t~a~%~}~%" music) ; your pasted code is wrong. 22:31:52 annotate the paste 22:32:17 pjb: just a moment 22:32:39 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:33:56 that's what i see: 22:33:57 (add-music (make-music "Dream Theater" "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" t t t)) 22:33:58 ((:ARTIST "Dream Theater" :ALBUM "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" :RIPPED T :BACK-UP T :ID3TAGS T)) 22:34:11 well, duh 22:34:25 you need to run (dumb-db) to see something pretty 22:35:22 stassats`: that's the problem,look what *db* returns: 22:35:24 *db* 22:35:25 ((:ARTIST "Dream Theater" :ALBUM "A Dramatic Turn Of Events" :RIPPED T :BACK-UP T :ID3TAGS T)) 22:35:33 can you read what i said? 22:35:39 yes 22:35:58 did i ask you to evaluate *db*? 22:36:05 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:36:32 paul424 [~chatzilla@91.207.68.2] has joined #lisp 22:36:32 stassats`: chill, got it. 22:36:51 huh sorry to bother you again , how do I call the clisp session under emacs ? 22:37:01 paul424: M-x slime RET 22:37:05 c u m x does not work 22:37:08 huh ok ok :D 22:37:10 paul424: configure inferior-lisp-program. 22:40:33 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:40:48 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:41:51 pjb: huh not bad , although I must learn everything ... 22:41:59 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:11 so what do you mean by " paul424: configure inferior-lisp-program." ? 22:42:35 -!- sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.223] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:42:47 and sldb clisp/0 buffer is for debbuging I suppose ? 22:42:51 paul424: in your .emacs put (setq inferior-lisp-program "/usr/bin/clisp") 22:42:59 Illiux [~nol@dhcp-lp-130-49-25-68.oakland.resnet.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 22:42:59 By default emacs uses /usr/bin/lisp which is cmucl. 22:43:08 or whatever path you need to specify your clisp binary 22:43:10 ok 22:43:19 paul424: so M-x customize-variable RET inferior-lisp-program RET and set it to /usr/bin/clisp or whatever. 22:44:09 paul424: Yes, sldb is a debugging frame. You've encountered an exceptional situation. You may quit from it with q. (and do other thins before like debugging). 22:44:10 aha I get it ... those variables can be set both from config file or by cmd :D 22:44:15 Yes. 22:44:25 sepuku [~sepuku@83.212.44.209] has joined #lisp 22:44:29 notice the config file for emacs is ~/.emacs which is full of lisp expressions 22:45:21 -!- gab31 [5f53543c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.83.84.60] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:45:34 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:10 aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has joined #lisp 22:46:55 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:47:37 snorble_ [~snorble@c193-14-18-68.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 22:48:43 pjb: strange I have that line in config file , although I have to start slime by m x 22:49:01 that's how it's supposed to be started 22:49:14 that line just tells slime which lisp to use 22:49:27 paul424: you have to start slime with M-x slime RET. 22:49:42 m x means typing m and x, which gives: mx 22:50:00 paul424: read the emacs tutorial. Type Control-h then t. 22:50:07 I know that shortcut ... ok ok Ithough slime would start for now for each lisp session ok 22:50:25 paul424: you can add (slime) at the end of your ~/.emacs 22:50:44 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402575.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:46 paul424: ~/.emacs is a elisp program that's run by emacs when it starts. 22:51:45 so you can put anything you want in that program! 22:52:02 is there a difference in terms of code quality with C-c C-l and C-c C-k? 22:52:03 ok ok 22:52:08 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402575.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 22:52:08 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:52:11 sbcl, i should say 22:52:19 None that I know. 22:53:19 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:57 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 22:53:57 limetree: C-c C-l doesn't handle forward definitions 22:54:48 ok 22:55:55 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-197-149.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:57:41 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:02:59 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:17 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 23:06:17 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:06:17 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 23:06:34 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:44 -!- aja [~aja@unaffiliated/aja] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 23:08:18 -!- Matin [~Matin@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Matin] 23:11:10 -!- prip [~foo@host254-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:12:32 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has joined #lisp 23:13:50 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.40.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:17:02 borkman [~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:30 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:00 Buglouse [~weechat@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:19 bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 23:20:27 -!- Buglouse is now known as Guest63768 23:21:30 -!- bfein [~bfein@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Client Quit] 23:22:55 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:35 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-157-185.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:26:11 H4ns: i managed to put together a pretty printer for yason. it seems to work good! 23:26:33 prip [~foo@host179-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 23:27:17 -!- nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:27:32 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:32 H4ns: if the code is any good, that's another story... i was thinking about doing it differently. maybe provide a pretty printer stream? i don't know how complex that would be. 23:30:48 pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-241-100-169.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:33:07 -!- urandom__ [~user@ip-88-152-206-130.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:13 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402575.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:30 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:40:58 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-148-167-59.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:54 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:24 spacebat` [~user@150.101.97.47] has joined #lisp 23:50:17 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:48 originalserver [~originals@nviro1w.demon.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:53:51 I selling dedicated servers in different countries, only windows xp,2003,2008, seven 23:54:02 -!- paul424 [~chatzilla@91.207.68.2] has quit [Quit: GG] 23:54:29 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 23:54:31 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*originals@*.demon.co.uk 23:54:35 -!- originalserver [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (originalserver) 23:54:37 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.37.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:54:37 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 23:54:40 -!- echo-area [~user@114.254.101.148] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:48 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o fe[nl]ix 23:57:11 -!- ChanServ has set mode -o fe[nl]ix 23:57:20 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 23:57:22 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach