00:00:18 -!- notzmv is now known as Guest47808 00:00:27 pjb: ah, ok: read-line's clhs example works because it doesn't end with a newline, whereas my file does. 00:00:32 thanks! 00:00:48 espadrine: otherwise there are other problems with your code. It would be more instructive to set the fill-pointer to some definite initial value, eg. 0. You never change the fill-pointer, so it's useless. You can either set it at the end, or set it to 0, and increment it with (vector-push line words). 00:00:58 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-134-123.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:01:05 oh, a thinkpad. 00:01:09 w520 00:01:37 espadrine: instead of using a fixed size, 47663!? Where does this number come from? You could start with a smaller vector, and make it :adjustable t, so that you can use vector-push-extend that will increase the size of the vector as needed. 00:01:56 espadrine: (vector-push-extend line words (length words)) has an amortized costs of O(n). 00:02:23 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 00:02:35 Is slime working remotely for anyone with the latest quicklisp? 00:02:40 pjb: hmm, I guess I misunderstood the use of fill-pointer. That number is the number of lines in the file I'm using for testing purposes. 00:02:49 espadrine: another alternative is to use a list, and if you really need a vector, coerce it at the end of the loop: (coerce (loop for line = (read-line stream nil) while line collect line) 'vector) 00:03:07 I get a versions differ warning (even locally even i start swank separately) 00:03:19 And remotely i don't even get a repl to show up 00:03:22 espadrine: Of course, the poitn is that it's bad to keep such constants in the source of your program. What if the file is edited with one more or one less word{? 00:03:28 s/even/if 00:03:37 espadrine: the only literal constants you may have in a program are 0 and 1. 00:03:47 Second blog post went live, in case anybody is interested. Crawling interface lift with common lisp. I'd like to hear your opinion either in a comment or here, or by mail 00:04:22 http://christian.ftwca.de:8080/post/practical-common-lisp---crawling-interfacelift-with-common-lisp 00:04:24 espadrine: the fill-pointer is a number between 0 and (array-dimensions vector 0) that indicates the length of useful slots in the vector. (length v) == (fill-pointer v) when v has a fill-pointer. 00:04:53 since you can change the fill-pointer at will, it let you change the length of the vector in O(1) since it's just a simple index. 00:05:11 (of course, the vector always has (array-dimensions vector 0) slots allocated. 00:05:16 Now: Theater in Brooklyn \o/ 00:05:36 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 00:06:29 pjb: about vector vs. list, which one is faster to loop through? 00:06:41 espadrine: it's a complex question. 00:07:02 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-149.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:12 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:07:13 espadrine: vectors are better for random access. List are better when you want to insert or remove elements in the middle. 00:07:13 ddp [~ddp@93.182.131.20] has joined #lisp 00:07:39 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483ADB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:07:47 espadrine: as a use as buffer, the advantage of lists is that they can grow easily, since we need to allocate only small cons cells. 00:08:07 AsmCoder8088 [~student@ip68-97-173-48.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #lisp 00:08:23 espadrine: but cons cells based lists use twice the storage as vectors (assuming 1-word entries). 00:08:52 pjb: and vectors grow in amortized time, which is slower. ok. 00:09:26 espadrine: if you have concerns, it's better to profile and compare. 00:09:40 pjb: will do ;) 00:10:05 -!- AsmCoder8088 [~student@ip68-97-173-48.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:10:08 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 00:10:46 Since you're reading words, on average they are barely longer than a word (on 32-bit, they'd be smaller on average on 64-bit machines). So the advantage of vector over lists is more significant than if you read text with longer lines. 00:11:30 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 00:11:35 espadrine: finally, your call to make-array is non conforming, since you give an element-type without an initial-element. 00:11:45 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:49 (make-array 47663 :element-type 'string :initial-element "" :fill-pointer t) 00:12:11 An implementation may use nil or 0 or something else by default, so that would break the element-type specification. 00:12:29 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.140.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:00 pjb: I don't have the full context. are you suggesting that regardless of context the form (make-array 42 :element-type 'string) is non-conforming? 00:14:01 espadrine: you can get COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.CESARUM.FILE:STRING-LIST-TEXT-FILE-CONTENTS with quicklisp or have a look at it at https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/file.lisp and https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/stream.lisp 00:14:13 Xach: yes, that's my reading. 00:14:23 pjb: What bit suggests that to you? 00:14:46 pjb: My understanding is a little different, that the creation form is ok but reading from any element that has not been initialized has undefined consequences. 00:15:08 clhs make-array says "If initial-element is not supplied, the consequences of later reading an uninitialized element of new-array are undefined unless either initial-contents is supplied or displaced-to is non-nil." 00:15:25 Xach: yes, you're more precisely correct. 00:15:29 Ok. 00:16:06 It helps to realize that the values might be some prior garbage rather than 0 or nil or some "nice" value. 00:16:17 So, indeed, it's not make-array but make-array+aref the uninitialized slots that's not conforming. 00:16:19 Yuuhi [benni@p5483ADB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 00:17:24 I didn't realize that until I used LispWorks, which filled an integer array with "random" values rather than the 0 that SBCL uses. 00:17:43 It feel a little woobling that the standard allows uncontrolled data and even behavior with (safety 0) :-) 00:18:14 -!- Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-62.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 00:18:15 Xach: well, for array, if you are going to fill them yourself, it would be less efficient if they are filled by make-array. 00:18:28 Perhaps make-array should take a function to fill it. 00:18:44 (but then, a function could exit non-locally too early). 00:20:29 cran1988 [~kvirc@212-70-209-1.dyn.adsl.tee.gr] has joined #lisp 00:25:33 That said it may be difficult to control reading from an array. If we enter the debugger, or if there are threads, or even a garbage collection before it can be initialized, we may have problems. 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[~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:57:01 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 02:58:19 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.81] has joined #lisp 02:58:37 fantasticsid [~user@178.18.16.11] has joined #lisp 02:59:04 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:59:19 What was the web page listing the description of the quicklisp systems? 03:01:08 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02:02 http://www.quicklisp.org/beta/UNOFFICIAL/descriptions.txt 03:02:56 Thanks. 03:03:54 It's not uptodate it seems, is it? 03:04:06 no 03:04:07 Kron [~Kron@199.91.214.115] has joined #lisp 03:04:13 maybe later this week 03:06:24 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:08:28 Thanks for all of your work, Xach. We're going to be doing some incognito-mosquito backend monitoring tools in CL, in no small part because of QL. 03:09:36 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:10:08 -!- rotty [rotty@de.xx.vu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:10:15 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 03:10:22 woo 03:10:29 that's what i like to hear! 03:10:34 rukubites [~user@d58-111-185-226.meb802.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 03:11:05 wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 03:11:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@119.255.41.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:12:12 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 03:12:56 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-128.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 03:19:52 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19:52 Where are the logs for this? 03:20:50 -!- jingtao [~jingtaozf@117.79.233.239] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:20:52 there are at least two public logs. Google for irc lisp log 03:21:06 jingtao [~jingtaozf@117.79.232.163] has joined #lisp 03:21:11 Ok. 03:27:38 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28:04 -!- diginet [~diginet@ppp-70-247-41-243.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:21 diginet [~diginet@ppp-70-246-24-18.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 03:31:05 rotty [rotty@de.xx.vu] has joined #lisp 03:32:33 Is there a way to get a lisp backend to execute code once slime is established? 03:32:47 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:33:33 rukubites: yes. 03:33:38 *rtoym* attempts to build matlisp with ccl 03:33:42 rukubites: ~/.swank.lisp 03:33:51 -!- hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: hydo] 03:34:26 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:30 Ahh, thanks, but that still doesn't quite do the trick - it wants to set *LISTENER-EVAL-FUNCTION*, which is now defined in the slime-repl.lisp contrib. 03:38:18 That hook might be enough to do a clean~ish workaround though. 03:42:56 pjb: Thanks! I could add a pre-emptive defvar in .swank.lisp for *listener-eval-function* which made things happy. 03:44:22 Good. 03:44:35 Otherwise there are means to "RPC" from slime to swank, and back from swank to slime. 03:46:28 That would probably work too, but this is a much less hacky way. But... are there any guides on how to call the rpc portions, seems interesting... 03:48:37 -!- bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:49:15 bobbysmith007 [~russ@216.155.103.30] has joined #lisp 03:50:38 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:54:11 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-uctmorqnfsrqfrrv] has joined #lisp 03:54:55 vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:58:10 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 04:04:36 rukubites: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127219 and http://paste.lisp.org/display/22414 04:05:22 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:06:43 pjb: thanks muchly. :-) 04:08:27 tiglog [~topeak@123.114.124.80] has joined #lisp 04:09:17 -!- tiglog [~topeak@123.114.124.80] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 04:09:44 tiglog [~topeak@123.114.124.80] has joined #lisp 04:14:13 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.113.103] has quit 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[~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:34 actually quite a few, of the langs of it's type it rates fairly high Tiobe and other rankings ... 11:52:14 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:01 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:54:23 highest in fact, 13 vs 44 for haskell (last I checked) 11:54:45 a faux classicism no doubt 11:55:07 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:55:19 -!- nepnux [~wildnux@pool-71-252-145-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:58:27 zavierlo [~zavierlo@41.248.106.41] has joined #lisp 11:59:27 frx [~redmundia@91.121.197.204] has joined #lisp 11:59:34 -!- zavierlo [~zavierlo@41.248.106.41] has left #lisp 12:00:31 hi. I'm catching all serious-conditions and I want to log errors. what should I include besides error message? is there a way to print backtrace? 12:00:46 tiobe? 12:01:35 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:07 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:02:09 frx: look at trivial-backtrace if you want a portable solution 12:03:40 nice thanks 12:05:12 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:23 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:06:48 TIOBE 12:07:09 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:07:28 http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html 12:09:05 -!- dsabanin [~dsabanin@194.186.248.119] has quit [Quit: dsabanin] 12:09:26 -!- bieber_ [~quassel@169-75.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:10:01 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 12:10:46 i'm actually working with CF funny that it is at the ranking I mentioned for Hassle 12:11:11 silenius [~silenius@i59F72225.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 12:11:45 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.82.80.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 12:13:23 :) 12:13:28 bieber [~quassel@169-75.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:13:40 *its type 12:16:21 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:16:44 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has joined #lisp 12:17:20 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:17:30 so lisp is probably premier in its categry, however you would define it, intellectually high end, ai, people who know stuff really want to use and keep doing so, etc 12:17:50 -!- bieber [~quassel@169-75.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:52 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:05 especially if you include both dialects 12:19:56 i am starting to learn CL 12:20:01 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:21:10 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 12:24:59 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 12:28:38 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 12:30:49 kilon [~user@178.59.17.196] has joined #lisp 12:31:40 solussd [~solussd@user-0cdvten.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #lisp 12:31:48 good afternoon 12:33:39 hello 12:34:13 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:34:27 rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-201-64.uio.no] has joined #lisp 12:34:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:35:37 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.7.35] has joined #lisp 12:35:37 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.7.35] has quit [Changing host] 12:35:37 attila_lendvai 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14:45:51 (tagbody 10 (write-line "dlowe is cool") 20 (goto 10)) 14:46:18 ikki [~ikki@189.195.69.90] has joined #lisp 14:47:06 Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has joined #lisp 14:47:14 -!- clog [~nef@bespin.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:47:33 dlowe put some basic in his lisp so he can do some basic while he's lispin' 14:47:47 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:48:03 -!- redline6561_nop is now known as redline6561 14:48:47 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:48:48 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:48:53 -!- myrkraverk [~johann@unaffiliated/myrkraverk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49:00 Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-171.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 14:50:17 -!- tiglog [~topeak@117.79.232.250] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:50:45 myrkraverk [~johann@85-220-60-172.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #lisp 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C64 is the only one I really used. 15:15:28 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 15:15:31 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:15:56 *ski_* . o O ( ) 15:16:19 yeah, it was part of the standardish basic 15:16:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:16:52 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #lisp 15:17:10 milanj [~milanj_@178-223-179-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 15:17:25 In all its uglyness, there is a kind of beauty in that choice of function name ;-) 15:18:09 reminiscent of perl 15:18:21 I wish I'd known about microlisp in the day 15:18:44 what is microlisp? 15:19:05 that article is terrible. It reiterates the standard horrid introduction with lists and atoms 15:19:15 loke: url above 15:20:12 have to wonder just how much you could get done on a lisp with 64k, though 15:21:18 how much memory did the first machines that ran Lisp have? 15:21:23 not much more than that, did they? 15:21:45 muLisp on DOS was quite usable with 256K, iirc 15:21:59 loke: no, but they could not do much either. 15:22:07 loke: like run eliza, that's it. 15:22:15 cmm: 256k is a lot of memory :) 15:22:16 (not that I r much, what with the senility and all that) 15:22:55 man, this c64 magazine is a hoot. New 1200 baud modem, only $129.99! 15:23:36 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 15:23:41 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:25:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:26:19 -!- hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:27:36 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:39 ugh: talking about mid$ somehow brings up memories from my learning basic days more than 20 years ago. just talking about basic or even looking at basic code didn't do that... 15:28:10 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:29:07 only 20 years? 15:29:23 yes, i am not that old ;-) 15:29:34 For me, it was... hmm... 28 years ago 15:29:42 yeah. 1984 15:30:34 I must bring the average age of this channel down a bit :( 15:30:52 chu: how old are you then? 15:30:58 21 15:31:03 wow 15:31:05 I remember that age 15:31:14 That's when I thought I knew everything :-) 15:31:26 Well, to be fair, I did know quite a bit back then 15:31:27 :-) 15:31:42 Now I know that I don't, though :-) 15:31:45 apparently, the microlisp interpreter took 10k 15:31:51 neat 15:32:02 Hehe, both my parents are kind of big in their respective fields, so I have some good perspective, I think. 15:32:15 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-179-9.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:33:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:34:03 *p_l* is ... wait, 23? 15:34:12 *loke* is... 15:34:14 38 15:34:47 ah right, 23 till april it seems 15:34:55 or I could simply start to suck at math 15:35:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:35:40 -!- yates [~yates@rrcs-97-79-165-138.sw.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.1] 15:36:30 ... I suck at math 15:37:08 22y, 9m, 30d 15:37:51 usually people memoize that value :p 15:37:54 I know some mathematicians who don't do any arithmetic with numbers greater than 7. 15:38:38 dlowe: after passing the 18yo mark, "how old I am" kinda got less and less meaningful 15:38:40 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:15 it was enough to remember "I'm over 18" and then, in case I visit Japan (or god no, USA), that I was over 21 15:40:10 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40:30 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:40:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:41:43 *j_king* is 30 in a couple of weeks. 15:41:45 *eMBee* found an article from 1983 that implements a lisp interpreter in basic 15:43:37 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has joined #lisp 15:44:10 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.195.69.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:44:34 *p_l* has a book that introduced him to lisp... with R2RS 15:44:57 r2rs? 15:45:16 revised^2 report on algorithmic language scheme 15:45:27 a modification of R2D2 15:45:48 it also included an appendix on the "ongoing" Common Lisp standardization process, and mentioned the new extension, CLOS 15:46:00 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:09 there was also a small appendix about changes introduced with r3rs, iirc 15:46:31 heh, would have recognized r5rs... 15:46:53 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:47:47 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:48:02 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-14-16.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:48:04 is there a declaration that means a binding / value in it will be constant... I ask because I cant (declare (dynamic-extent buffer)) without the buffers element-type being constant. which it will be for the run, just not known at compile time 15:48:08 -!- Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-171.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 15:49:26 dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has joined #lisp 15:49:58 bobbysmith007: really? what does the dynamic-extent'ness have to do with constants? 15:51:15 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120201153158]] 15:53:24 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:53:38 -!- snits [~snits@71-223-162-11.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:47 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:55:05 sbcl will not stack allocate an array if its element-type is not contant. If I make a branch of the code that runs with an explicit 'character element-type it will stack allocate. If I have it in a variable it says it cant. Perhaps I am missing something else... I am making a paste to show 15:55:10 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:55:44 snits [~snits@71-223-162-11.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 15:55:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:56:21 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-021.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:57:06 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127614 it doesnt seem like I should need that if statement in the first version 15:58:10 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-021.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:59:46 asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has joined #lisp 16:00:08 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@boccacio.fh-trier.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:21 Illiux [~nol@mc-wireless-pittnet-150-212-10-193.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 16:00:50 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:02:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:03:30 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04:44 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:06:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:08:39 -!- drwho [~drwho@216-122-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Quit: bbl] 16:09:04 it just seems aweful to have to write code like that to make the compiler do its job, though I suppose I see the necessity. I dont think the constant declaration would really help, because the compiler would still not generate both branches of that if automatically 16:10:12 -!- ivan-kan` [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:58 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:24 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:11:36 awful 16:11:58 what you said is shock and 16:12:03 bobbysmith007: what's the performance improvement of the stack allocation? 16:12:16 -!- joast [~rick@98.145.65.117] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:12:21 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 16:12:38 -!- |nix| [~user@66-194-253-20.static.twtelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:41 something like 10% memory and 5% cpu 16:12:58 what? 16:14:08 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:14:14 jdz: on irc, you can just read it again by looking up 16:14:28 jdz: The version with the dynamic extent declaration uses approx 10% less memory and 5% less cpu 16:14:45 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:14:53 -!- hkBst_ [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:16:51 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:17:51 bobbysmith007: i just wonder what exactly you have measured 16:19:51 jdz: reading the entire contents from many files into strings while trying to minimize other impacts such as garabage collection 16:20:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-021.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:34 -!- Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:03 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-022.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:23:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:23:36 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:23:40 bobbysmith007: cl-csv's parsing error messages are so much more useful than say... ruby's builtin CSV parser. saved me a few hours 16:24:14 bobbysmith007: so in one case you read characters, and in other cases numbers? 16:24:46 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:25:05 bobbysmith007: what are the possible values for your stream element types? 16:25:13 felideon: great! glad to hear it 16:25:49 jdz: we were reading files of lisp code as strings in all cases, in all cases the stream element type was character 16:28:58 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:29:00 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:30:29 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:31:00 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:31:08 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:32:53 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:32:56 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:33:19 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:33:47 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:36:00 so, why is ::foo allowed, but :::foo is not? 16:36:46 foom: ::foo is also undefined 16:36:54 ah, sbcl doesn't diagnose it. 16:37:03 http://l1sp.org/cl/2.3.5 16:37:06 oh, duh, it's package private keyword syntax. 16:37:17 that didn't click in my head for some reason. :) 16:38:05 *Xach* wonders if any lisps reject it 16:39:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:40:09 *Xach* can't find any 16:40:33 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:41:41 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:43:45 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:44:09 -!- Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:12 -!- anaumov [~anaumov@dslb-088-070-230-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:56 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:49:20 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 16:49:51 joast [~rick@98.145.91.18] has joined #lisp 16:51:11 -!- sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:20 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:20 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51:24 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-022.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:02 -!- ngz [~user@93.24.242.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:52:38 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:39 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 16:52:39 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:53:02 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:53:56 clog [~nef@bespin.org] has joined #lisp 16:58:39 mintsoup [~mintsoup@173-164-33-21-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:58:54 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:01:27 anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has joined #lisp 17:01:31 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 17:01:54 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:02:50 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:00 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:05:56 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:06:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:07:23 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128228214.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 17:08:55 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:48 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-046.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:10:54 -!- anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:11:26 anonus [anonymous@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:2cc7] has joined #lisp 17:12:03 -!- Illiux [~nol@mc-wireless-pittnet-150-212-10-193.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 17:13:13 -!- Kron_ is now known as Kron 17:13:58 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:14:26 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:15:15 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:19:52 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:22:26 -!- pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-241-100-169.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:24:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-046.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:24:48 pnq [~nick@AC822D68.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 17:27:39 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-blucpujebsvyccrh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:28:35 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-042.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:31:33 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 17:31:45 Of course emacs is the preferred way of editing lisp. But is there any other GUI which, while not having SLIME, can indent lisp code correctly? 17:31:56 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.99.225] has joined #lisp 17:32:19 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-45-190.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:39 i think textmate will indent lisp code 17:32:48 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:32:53 presumably the dandelion plugin for eclipse does it, too. 17:34:05 -!- rudi [~rudi@1x-193-157-201-64.uio.no] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 17:34:45 the clozure ide 17:34:51 climacs and hemlock 17:35:02 the lispworks and allegro ides 17:35:07 a lot, really. :) 17:35:23 though climacs is not very stable 17:36:55 ultraedit claims to do it, but I have no proof. 17:36:57 Qworkescence, Vim can indent Lisp but I have not used it seriously. 17:37:07 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:38:19 bieber [~quassel@169-75.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:38:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-042.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:39:17 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:39:26 A spacebar will also indent Lisp code. ;-) 17:39:33 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:40:14 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-011.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:40:25 -!- Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:40:48 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:41:31 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:18 gigamonkey, keyboard, a lisp printer. 17:44:08 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.99.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:33 Heh. Just saw this http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2012/02/introductionary-article-about-rpython.html 17:44:44 "In short: never again do new languages need come with unusably slow VMs." 17:45:06 Of course that was probably true when Python and Ruby started, if they had built on top of a native-compiling Common Lisp. 17:46:56 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:47:25 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:25 Well, maybe not quite as Python came out in 1991 and CMUCL wasn't yet running on Sparcs, let alone x86. 17:47:43 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:47:51 yeah python running with Python :) 17:50:00 Word. I got a copy of the class notes from MIT 6.001 from 1982, i.e. before SICP existed as a book. 17:50:04 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:50:24 *Xach* never heard back from rpg re: CL discussion archive 17:52:17 kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has joined #lisp 17:53:15 Xach: do you want me to try? You're asking him for the archive so you can put it up somewhere accessible to the world? Or do you just want to see it for your own use? 17:53:38 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:54:43 If you've got a better connection than me and you don't mind trying. I would like to publish it for anyone to peruse. 17:54:52 Barring that I'd still love to read it privately. 17:54:56 anonymous666 [~user@dsl-239-115.melsa.net.id] has joined #lisp 17:55:34 kmcorbett_ [~kmcorbett@mobile-198-228-193-009.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:26 kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 17:56:43 Dunno about a better connection. But he has in the past replied to my emails. 17:57:28 _schulte_ [~eschulte@adaptive.cs.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 17:57:40 which cl discussion archive? 17:58:12 jsnell: the ones that lead to CLTL1 17:58:14 jsnell: the standardization email archive. 17:58:21 And then ANSI too, I think. 17:58:26 I have a copy that seems somewhat complete 17:58:33 jsnell: How did you get it? 17:58:37 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@199.180.145.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:58:37 -!- kmcorbett_ is now known as kmcorbett 17:58:54 rahul [~rjain@66-234-32-156.nyc.cable.nyct.net] has joined #lisp 17:59:22 xerox parc had an ftp server with some of the discussions, but I can't seem to locate it at the moment 17:59:23 don't remember exactly, it was publically but very obscurely available in some way 17:59:37 jsnell: Would you send it to me? 17:59:55 yes, I'll send you a copy once I get home. don't have it anywhere network-accessible 18:00:00 Ok, thanks. 18:00:04 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.35.42.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:00:25 -!- silenius [~silenius@i59F72225.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:59 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:08 Xach: if you work your magic on what jsnell has and it seems there are missing bits, I can try rpg and also gls to see if they have the rest. 18:01:16 -!- Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:01:23 It'd be easier if I can point them to something already up on the web. 18:01:49 Illiux [~nol@fq-wireless-pittnet-150-212-2-249.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 18:01:53 I'd send you what I have but I can't remember whether I promised not to share it or not. 18:02:16 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 18:03:33 tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:03:46 gkeith_glaptop_ [~gkeith@66.102.14.18] has joined #lisp 18:03:52 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:03:59 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:04:20 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 18:04:29 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:45 mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 18:05:20 Guthur [~user@212.183.140.53] has joined #lisp 18:05:48 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:06:25 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:06:32 *sipo* would like to peruse through those archives but will wait fo 18:06:42 Patterngazer_ [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 18:06:51 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:09:13 tfb_ [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:09:30 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:09:32 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:09:38 -!- tfb_ is now known as tfb 18:10:56 -!- stassats` [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:11:27 xach: does this help? http://cl-su-ai.cddddr.org/ (can't say it's exactly the same set of messages that I have, and of course it's as webpages rather than conveniently in some oddball mail archive format from the 80s) 18:11:35 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7-dev] 18:11:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:11:52 ftp://ftp.parc.xerox.com/pub/ has some standards emails, it has a very slow response time right at this moment 18:12:35 the organization of it isn't obvious to me, I've landed in the emails there by googling for the ansi cleanup issues 18:12:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:13:11 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 18:14:27 jsnell: interesting, thanks. 18:14:43 *Xach* is a bit surprised to see Robert Maas in there 18:16:21 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:17:00 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.18.28] has joined #lisp 18:18:29 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19:43 Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has joined #lisp 18:20:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:21:48 perhaps this is the matrix's way of telling you that the archive is fake 18:21:55 ;-) 18:22:15 He was at MIT at the appropriate time, I think. 18:22:49 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:59 gigamonkey: physically or bureaucratically as well? 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19:11:21 the interface looks like it 19:11:32 kenanb: yep, ive been working on it bit by bit 19:11:35 -!- kmcorbett [~kmcorbett@173-166-107-217-newengland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Quit: Quit] 19:11:46 i just released a blocky game 19:12:02 i mean a demo of a blocky game , it's not quite finished :) but it uses this for the joystick setup. 19:12:17 that looks great man 19:12:20 id like to tweak the button positions a bit 19:12:34 im polishing the whole system up for a release in 2012 19:12:41 it looks like you have your own clim-like interface system :D 19:12:43 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 19:13:03 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:13:05 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:06 hmm, more smalltalk-inspired, a la Morphic. you should try it, i even have Morphic halos that you can move/resize/delete objects with 19:13:14 Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-12.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 19:13:14 kenanb: are you on linux? windows? mac? 19:13:18 linux 19:13:41 i tried your blocky library some days ago, i think i was missing some libs 19:13:49 does it use sdl maybe? 19:13:54 it was probably sdl 19:14:06 dto: ever see scratch? was looking at a demo @mozilla headquarters here in toronto... cool .edu project for kids. 19:14:07 yeah 19:14:17 looked a lot like blocky 19:14:24 j_king: yes :) i'm trying to make a much more powerful Common Lisp scratch 19:14:29 ah nice 19:14:38 j_king: http://blocky.io is where i admit all my conceptual borrowings :) 19:14:50 unfortunately some broken links there, but i'll fix that soon. 19:14:50 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-048.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:14:57 i had thought i was about to meet you when I saw it at the booth and didn't realize it was scratch 19:15:11 j_king: haha 19:15:12 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 19:15:13 where was this 19:15:17 _UNDEF [none@177.43.148.70] has joined #lisp 19:15:33 mozilla offices in toronto, canada 19:15:38 kenanb: i have a win32 binary up, and im about to upload the linux one. 19:15:43 jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has joined #lisp 19:16:05 theres a full INSTALL file with many details about making sure you have the right libs installed from package manager. brbr 19:16:35 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:28 btw does blocky also use your prototype-based oop implementation? 19:17:58 -!- sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:18:08 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-215-92.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 19:18:20 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:18:24 i always wondered why lisp game programmers tend to create an specific oop layer for games, sykopomp also did that i think (sheeple) 19:18:48 *hefner* wonders that too. 19:19:40 *sykopomp* wonders what possessed him to do that, too. 19:19:41 kenanb: yes and yes :) 19:19:52 Fortunately, I learned my lesson. 19:19:54 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:20:30 ok, link to binaries is coming 19:20:40 -!- Illiux [~nol@fq-wireless-pittnet-150-212-2-249.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 19:20:50 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:30 https://github.com/dto/xalcyon.blocky/blob/master/README.org 19:22:58 http://jng.imagine27.com/articles/2009-08-19-011225_clojure_the_false_lisp.html 19:22:58 dto: suggestion: add an ABORT restart so C-d in the debugger quits. or disable the debugger. 19:23:03 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 19:23:13 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c0f91.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:23 Xach: good suggestion. thanks. 19:23:26 what error did you get? 19:23:34 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-035-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:23:36 Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:23:46 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:48 libSDL_mixer.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. 19:24:03 I do have it installed, though. 19:24:09 xach, kenanb: the morphic halos should work if you right click stuff 19:24:14 *Xach* did not read the directions 19:24:15 xach, try installing the -dev versions 19:24:23 dto: I have the -dev version installed. 19:24:45 do you have that .so somewhere? 19:24:51 It's in /usr/lib 19:24:58 hmm. 19:25:47 hmm my unix build script is missing a (pop cffi:*foreign-library-directories*) 19:25:47 ] 19:25:59 after loading blocky 19:26:02 Kron__ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:26:30 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:26:30 thats what the win32 version does, i thought it was supposed to keep it from saving lib paths in the binary, no? 19:27:07 Xach: i admit i have not made a linux binary in a while. the windows one should work under Wine, though. in the meantime i'll try to figure it out 19:27:16 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 19:27:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-048.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:27:38 heh: /usr/lib/libSDL_mixer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 19:28:08 -!- Kron [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:12 oh, i'm sorry Xach. 19:28:42 i dont have 64 bit linux, although i do have an amd64 machine 19:28:53 maxm--- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 19:29:12 dto: I am happy to provide feedback of the "didn't read the docs or any readme and just ran stuff"-style user! 19:29:26 -!- maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:37 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:30:28 Xach: totally 19:30:32 :) 19:30:50 benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has joined #lisp 19:30:52 Xach: im curious to see if the win32 version works for you in wine 19:31:25 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:31:27 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:30 -!- pnq [~nick@AC822D68.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:31:33 it does here 19:31:35 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:31:53 Xach: Does l1sp.org have a way to access the documentation for LOOP keywords? 19:32:01 now i no longer have to use my moms laptop to make win32 releases. i just go into ~/blocky and do "wine sbcl --load build-win32.lisp" instead of the usual "sbcl --load build-unix.lisp" 19:32:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:25 Hexstream: There aren't any index entries for them. It could be added without much pain. 19:33:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:34:12 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187963.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:35:11 Ok. I'm writing a "Getting started with the CLHS" guide and I'm including some l1sp.org examples for getting the canonical URL of stuff. 19:36:21 What is the canonical URL of LOOP's "do"? 19:36:24 Now we'll have a good answer when a newbie doesn't even know what the CLHS is... 19:36:55 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 19:37:13 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 19:37:48 Xach: http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/06_ae.htm 19:38:16 The longest part was getting from the local URL to the online URL, as usual. o_o 19:38:31 Hexstream: If you make a file with two columns, the loop keyword and the URL, I'll add it to l1sp.org 19:38:50 Xach: I'll do it. 19:39:52 simon__ [~simon@85.136.137.196.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 19:40:02 hello everyone 19:40:07 simon__: Hello. 19:40:24 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 19:40:31 french [~french@164.136.1.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 19:40:37 -!- Kron__ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:40:41 do you can help how to use regular expressions in lisp 19:40:41 ? 19:40:50 simon__: cl-ppcre 19:41:07 I have a text with diferent lines structure 19:41:19 me I need help for a function on common lisp 19:41:37 french: Don't ask to ask. 19:41:42 and want to read just lines whose has 3 elements 19:41:59 simon__: do you know how to use regular expressions? 19:42:15 flip215 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has joined #lisp 19:42:15 -!- flip215 [~marek@86.59.100.100] has quit [Changing host] 19:42:15 flip215 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 19:42:20 -!- flip215 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:23 in php yes but in lisp never used them 19:42:31 simon__: they're just the same 19:42:46 Hexstream, I have CLHS lookup function for Emacs. With prefix argument it uses online clhs, without prefix it uses local version. http://paste.lisp.org/display/127616 19:42:47 simon__: use the cl-ppcre library 19:44:40 dtw: Actually, that sounds like a good feature to add to Slime's C-c C-d h and related functions... 19:44:44 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.150.119] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 19:45:02 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:07 do i have to install it? 19:45:36 simon__: (ql:quickload "cl-ppcre") will do it. quicklisp.org if you don't already have it installed. (you should!) 19:45:59 -!- maxm--- is now known as maxm- 19:46:40 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:47:13 who can correct my recursive function please, my function sends back nil : http://pastebin.com/VEeVNEnB 19:47:48 davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has joined #lisp 19:47:52 french: The length of NIL should be 0, not NIL... 19:48:13 actualu I am a litle bit lost 19:48:17 And (+ 1 foo) can be written as (1+ foo) 19:48:22 don't know what i should yo do 19:48:27 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081EE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:38 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: (make-condition 'dtw:sleep)] 19:48:42 simon__: perhaps you should learn a little more CL, then 19:48:56 simon__: try http://gigamonkeys.com/book/ 19:49:13 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:20 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:50:36 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 19:50:48 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-12.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:51:07 sigjuice [~sigjuice@c-71-204-168-88.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:51:48 my function must compte the sub list who have the lenght give in expression 19:52:01 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:52:32 and when I use the function I have an erreur nil is not a number 19:52:32 -!- xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.163.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:52:50 s/compte/count/ 19:53:38 french: if this is for a course, your prof or TA is probably better equipped to help you. 19:53:45 (defun count-sublists-of-length (length list-of-lists) (count-if (lambda (sublist) (= (length sublist) length)) list-of-lists)) 19:54:45 it's not for curse I try to learn , it's enough 19:55:31 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 19:56:25 pjb: (count 3 list :key 'length). 19:56:40 pkhuong: duh! Of course. I'm not awake yet. 19:56:58 french: (defun count-sublists-of-length (length list-of-lists) (count length list-of-lists :key 'length)) 19:58:25 acml [~user@92.44.26.164] has joined #lisp 19:58:30 Hah, I had no idea that you could do (loop for key in '(:a a :b b :c c) by #'cddr do (print key))! (I thought BY was only for ON in the way of lists). 19:58:40 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-72-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 19:58:52 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:06 Hexstream: good languages have orthogonal operators. 19:59:20 s/operators/constructs/ even 19:59:28 pjb: I guess that's why I didn't expect LOOP to have it. 20:00:03 that trick breaks down when you want to, say, group things by 20s 20:00:22 french: You don't seem to be using emacs to edit your lisp code. 20:00:42 french: if yo used emacs, the indentation would be "correct" and errors in indenting would tell you where you got it wrong. 20:00:48 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 20:01:02 french: see http://paste.lisp.org/display/127617 (we prefer http://paste.lisp.org for lisp pastes) for solutions. 20:01:37 french: NOT is used for booleans. NULL is used when you want to test for the symbol NIL. ENDP is used to test the end of proper-lists. 20:02:08 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081EE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:10 pjb: what's canonical for testing for an empty list? 20:02:22 endp 20:02:53 you'd think there'd be a emtpy sequence predicate 20:02:54 french: one advantage of lisppaste is that you can annotate pastes, adding addendum: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127617#1 20:03:15 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:18 dlowe: (defun emptyp (sequence) (zerop (length sequence))) 20:03:35 pjb: amazingly, I know how to define functions 20:03:44 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 20:03:48 dlowe: or if you want to optimize: (defun emptyp (sequence) (etypecase sequence (null t) (cons nil) (vector (zerop (length sequence))))) 20:03:48 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 20:04:11 |3b|: any idea why all GL functions would result in memory faults? basic %gl:get-string should return a null pointer even if nothing else has been initialized (does in C), but loading libGL in lisp causes a fault 20:05:10 Xach: Does l1sp.org have support for out-of-clhs disambiguation pages? For instance, there's no single canonical URL for LOOP =, as it's part of many different clause types. If l1sp.org doesn't have such support, then I'll just make it point to the FOR =... 20:06:48 thanks, I try to learn lisp because I work in industrie 20:07:51 oGMo: are you on OS X? 20:08:07 pkhuong: linux (x86-64), nvidia 20:08:10 Hexstream: l1sp.org can introduce disambiguation pages 20:08:46 french: do they use lisp at your company? 20:08:46 in that case add a third column for the type 20:08:50 french: what domain is it in? 20:08:51 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:16 Xach: Ok, cool! 20:09:20 Buglouse [~buglouse@176.31.24.235] has joined #lisp 20:09:23 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@176.31.24.235] has quit [Client Quit] 20:09:26 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 20:10:13 in electric protection 20:10:25 Hexstream: http://l1sp.org/clim/:y-spacing for example 20:10:32 french: you may also ask questions on news:fr.comp.lang.lisp (or in news:comp.lang.lisp where there are more lispers, but it's in English). 20:10:47 Exactly what I needed. 20:12:30 thanks 20:13:52 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:14:10 -!- snits [~snits@71-223-162-11.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:14:58 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 20:15:09 snits [~snits@71-223-162-11.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:15:26 -!- ASau`` is now known as ASau 20:15:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.175.238] has joined #lisp 20:15:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@176.222.175.238] has quit [Changing host] 20:15:44 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 20:21:23 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:23:20 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:24:00 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:25:17 Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081EE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 20:26:16 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-027.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 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[~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 21:17:41 ddp [~ddp@rrcs-24-43-232-194.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:17:55 ace4016 [~ace4016@rrcs-70-63-206-143.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:20:11 zulax [~radarwork@99-120-232-161.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:20:54 is there a way i can load a lsp function file which will automatically load the changes if the file is changed? 21:21:07 what's lsp? 21:21:19 .lsp file 21:21:35 right now i use clisp and i need to do (load "file.lsp") 21:21:48 since i am developing i dont want to reload the file again and again manually 21:21:55 use slime instead 21:21:58 Then you'd love SLIME! 21:22:13 not used it before, but will give it a try 21:22:14 also, use .lisp for your extensions. 21:22:24 will it allow me to do what i want? 21:22:28 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-146-202-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:22:40 see also https://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/6e91e20f2f371b52?&noredirect for some nice ideas about loading. 21:22:46 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:23:01 looks like ubuntu repo dont have slime in them 21:23:15 which is good, use quicklisp instead 21:23:32 zulax: It's even better than what you are describing. You can evaluate any lisp expression right in your text editor (as long as your text editor is Emacs). 21:23:45 :( i am a vimmer 21:23:52 you know, for all their faults, at least windows users aren't afraid of downloading software and installing it (indeed, they do so to a fault) 21:23:52 zulax: that's curable 21:24:15 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.47] has joined #lisp 21:24:16 (Oops, repeated a word. I am shamed.) 21:24:24 hefner: they have no choice 21:24:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 21:24:59 stassats: sure, they could use the excellent programming tools that come bundled with Windows, like notepad and batch files. 21:25:12 I think that guy french was eui from the other day 21:25:29 his code looks very similar, same type of issues 21:26:14 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has joined #lisp 21:26:49 Guthur: is "not knowing lisp" one of them? 21:26:50 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has joined #lisp 21:27:04 stassats: actually yest 21:27:05 yes* 21:28:00 the code is actually not as bad this time 21:29:02 at least it is compilable 21:31:03 zulax: though i'd advise against it, there is a vim mode for lisp 21:31:28 madnificent, i downloaded slime 21:31:37 will give it a try 21:31:59 here was the code from the other day: http://pastebin.com/48GDFW5b 21:32:03 maybe i need to learn emacs also 21:32:39 so at least there has been progress 21:33:17 Guthur: he seems French, indeed 21:33:27 i just installed slime, how do i run it? 21:33:50 M-x slime 21:34:04 so i first open up emacs? 21:34:06 stassats: It was the more the formatting that made me think of the same code 21:34:41 yeah, it worked 21:35:11 stassats, is there a guide to this for a first timer? what do i do next 21:35:46 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@p5081EE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:36:01 watch this first http://common-lisp.net/project/movies/movies/slime.mov 21:36:08 -!- blandest [~user@79.112.62.199] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:29 then you can read http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/lather-rinse-repeat-a-tour-of-the-repl.html 21:36:36 thx 21:36:39 and then the manual 21:37:02 -!- Vutral [~ss@2a01:198:35a::1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:28 and sometimes further in the future, http://slime-tips.tumblr.com/ 21:37:50 (which should really be updated sometime soon) 21:39:06 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has joined #lisp 21:39:18 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.3.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:41:40 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187963.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:01 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-182-121.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:38 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:49 -!- ddp [~ddp@rrcs-24-43-232-194.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ddp] 21:58:37 zulax: you can do that indeed. See for example http://paste.lisp.org/display/127619 You can modify it to reload the file when it has changed (clhs file-write-date). 21:59:47 Guthur: yes, their code look similar. You may be right. 21:59:51 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 22:00:00 Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has joined #lisp 22:00:07 If the guy had kept his nick, he would have received my memoserv memo 22:00:07 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:15 Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has joined #lisp 22:01:00 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.248.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:01:36 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:02:52 -!- amagnus [~alice@alice.ipq.co] has quit [Quit: amagnus] 22:03:48 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:04:44 dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has joined #lisp 22:10:57 pjb: at least he came back, and seemed to get the help he needed. 22:11:49 -!- gkeith_glaptop_ [~gkeith@66.102.14.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:14:25 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.19] has joined #lisp 22:16:03 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:16:07 -!- saint_cypher [~rjspotter@208.178.63.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:17:42 Xach: Ok, here's the mapping: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127620#1 22:18:37 bbl 22:18:57 that's loop! how could you? 22:21:39 DataLinkDroid [~David@1.148.248.29] has joined #lisp 22:24:41 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:25:34 tsuru`` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-17-194.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 22:27:46 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:27:46 -!- tsuru` [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-50.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:30:37 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 22:35:05 i did M-x and slime 22:35:05 stassats: I guess my love of completeness and convenience is greater than my hatred of LOOP. 22:35:11 it opens up the interpretor for me 22:35:21 how can i edit a file and compile it? 22:35:39 i m 0 at emacs 22:36:07 zulax: Did you watch that video or follow any of those links that were given to you? 22:36:35 couldnt understand, it seems like its for pros 22:36:39 zulax: read http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/lather-rinse-repeat-a-tour-of-the-repl.html 22:36:41 Completeness and convenience with respect to lookup of CLHS stuff, that is. I still don't use LOOP, obviously. ;P I started working a "Loopless 1.5" based on a very powerful MAP function. Let's see how that goes... 22:37:18 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:37:24 stassats, that is helpful, thanks 22:37:57 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Quit: funikuli funikulaaa tafra yapma yaa funikuli funikulaa] 22:38:20 Hexstream: Some lines in that file have only URLs. 22:38:22 1.5? what happened to 2..0? 22:38:37 Xach: That's lisppaste wrapping I think. 22:38:44 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:38:46 i recall reading something of a library which offered parallel versions of some lisp functions, like sort, but can't find it anymore. any ideas? 22:39:48 Hexstream: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127620,1/raw at the end does not look like wrapping 22:40:03 madnificent: http://www.cliki.net/concurrency 22:40:13 There are a few, I think. 22:40:15 Hexstream: It would really help if you put it in the format I asked for, much easier for me to put it in place. 22:40:36 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:41:01 madnificent: I'm sorry, actually I don't recall seeing one with sort, but I haven't looked for that specifically. 22:41:12 stassats: 2.0 is very ambitious and will take a very long time to make. Meanwhile I'm having a hard time surviving without LOOP nor an extra-standard alternative, so I had some ideas and decided to make a powerful MAP function that won't have some traditional limitations... 22:41:31 austinh: thanks! 22:41:43 Xach: That's what I did, there was some pasting fail in the process apparently. 22:42:46 Hexstream: I asked for either two columns (keyword and url) or three columns (keyword, type, url) 22:43:05 If there are duplicate keywords, use the latter form. 22:43:21 realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has joined #lisp 22:43:59 Xach: Ah, uh, I understood that it was first the keyword and then one URL if there's no ambiguity or several URLs for a disambiguation page. 22:44:27 C-c C-c gives me not connected, 22:44:37 zulax: you should then 22:44:53 (connect, that is) 22:45:33 I'm glad to clear it up. 22:45:35 Xach: Could you give an example of "keyword, type, url"? I'm not sure what "type" is supposed to be exactly. 22:45:57 like (list function ...) (list class ...)? 22:46:01 Hexstream: did you see the :y-spacing thing eaerlier? 22:46:09 Yeah. 22:46:27 The linked text is the type 22:46:32 in double-quotes is fine 22:47:02 if there is no ambiguity a type of t is fine 22:47:48 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:50 stassats, i m editing a file, if i do M-x slime then it goes to the interpretor, how do i connect 22:48:30 -!- Trystam is now known as Tristam 22:48:46 Alright, I'll see what I can do... 22:48:47 -!- Guthur [~user@212.183.128.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:04 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.47] has joined #lisp 22:49:16 zulax: If you got a REPL with M-x slime, then it sounds like you are connected. 22:49:57 now when i do C-c C-c it flashes yellow 22:50:16 but in the interpretor thats on the below window, i cant use the function still 22:50:27 austinh: http://lparallel.com/api/cognates/ was it. i was searching for parallel, instead of concurrency. i think i had it from that page one day :) 22:50:37 zulax: which means that you're using them in the wrong way 22:50:52 :( this thing is complicated 22:50:55 madnificent: Thanks! That's the first I've heard of that one. 22:51:11 rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 22:51:18 it is complicated if you've never done it before, what isn't? 22:52:03 i think it still says not connected 22:52:08 what is not connected? 22:53:04 on the video they said like connect to Swank server ...still sounds complicated 22:53:23 M-x slime connects to the server 22:53:23 zulax: Which guide to setting up slime are you following? How did you install slime? 22:53:37 sudo apt-get install slime 22:54:22 not the best idea 22:54:23 You should've used quicklisp, as stassats suggested. 22:55:49 http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ looks like a reasonable guide 22:56:22 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:56:50 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 22:57:18 keep in mind that if you decide to go the quicklisp route (which you really should), you need to purge slime first, sudo apt-get purge slime cl-swank 22:57:51 ok, i will give slime a couple more tries before i decide to ditch it for now 22:59:44 don't ditch it, using CL without slime is like walking on crutches 23:01:14 stassats: same with paredit once you get used to it (though i generally don't advise it to newcomers until they had a few days of practice) 23:01:37 i would really like to use slime, 23:01:47 its just i need to atleast be able to do a hello world 23:01:52 then i know i will pick it up 23:01:52 zulax: i switched from vim to emacs for lisp and don't regret it. i don't know how good slimv is right now, but at least a few years ago, it really made sense to switch. 23:02:00 that's easy 23:02:32 -!- milanj [~milanj_@178-223-179-77.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:38 zulax: M-x slime(format T "Hello World!") (you should probably wait a bit between and entering content, the repl takes some time to load at first. 23:03:13 zulax: put (defun hello-world () (print "Hello, World")) into a .lisp file, position the cursor somewhere inside it, press C-c C-c, then press C-c C-y, and then press enter 23:03:34 i did emacs file.lisp 23:03:42 then M-x slime? 23:04:00 stassats: just today i realized how much more content it is in java.. 23:04:02 first M-x slime 23:04:21 gives me the interpretor 23:04:29 -!- benkard [~benkard@141.84.69.67] has quit [Quit: benkard] 23:04:34 zulax: does it have CL-USER> ? 23:04:37 what interpreter? 23:04:39 no 23:04:41 0] 23:04:47 that's an error 23:04:48 zulax: CL implementations compile! 23:05:00 pjb: cut him some slack :) 23:05:12 zulax: it's the REPL. 23:05:21 so is the aptitude repository broken then? 23:05:24 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has joined #lisp 23:05:29 pjb: plus, i thought clisp had an interpreter also. am i wrong? 23:05:51 madnificent: yes, most implementations have also interpreters. But in most, compiling is the default mode of operation. 23:05:53 zulax: really, do sudo apt-get purge slime cl-swank, and follow the steps at http://www.mohiji.org/2011/01/modern-common-lisp-on-linux/ 23:05:55 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@thewall.novi.lib.mi.us] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 23:06:08 ok 23:06:10 will do 23:06:50 Hexstream: I'm inclined to index them under l1sp.org/cl/loop/ 23:06:51 it's really easier and you would need to use quicklisp in the future anyway 23:07:16 Xach: That's what I had in mind. 23:07:17 zulax: and you should skip sbcl and emacs installation steps 23:07:23 zulax, probably what you are calling the "interpreter" is what lispers call the REPL (Read Eval Print Loop). It's an interactive environment which can both compile and interpret the code you input. 23:07:36 makes sense 23:07:44 It would be tragic to pollute the global namespace with LOOP keywords, IMHO... 23:07:51 madnificent, zulax Re slimv, I used slimv recently and find that emacs+evil+slime is better than vim+slimv 23:08:00 Hexstream: as long as you use keywords 23:08:14 stassats, so i just do the quicklisp and skip the first two? 23:08:46 Hexstream: but (in-package :m) (defmacro while ) (export 'while) (in-package :c) (loop while nil) (use-package :m) breaks. 23:08:49 zulax: right, start from "Download and install Quicklisp" and till the end 23:09:02 pjb: I think you're missing a bit of context... 23:09:06 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:09:06 -!- sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:09:06 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-172-106.netcologne.de] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:09:06 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [*.net *.split] 23:09:09 Ok. 23:09:10 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-035.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:09:12 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 23:09:28 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:10:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-172-106.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:11:03 jasom_: evil? 23:12:13 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.160] has joined #lisp 23:12:33 madnificent: http://emacswiki.org/emacs/Evil 23:12:35 madnificent: some vification atrocity 23:12:59 madnificent: it basically gives you vim keybindings and features for emacs 23:13:03 aptly named 23:14:04 -!- Kron [~Kron@69.166.23.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:14:43 stassats: It's getting good enough that I may use emacs for more than just my lisp IDE... 23:16:55 it's even better without such things 23:17:10 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:17:45 -!- mhenderson [~mhenderso@cpe-024-074-118-001.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:57 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:18:31 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:18:36 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 23:19:09 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has joined #lisp 23:19:13 -!- joast [~rick@98.145.91.18] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:21:04 where is my .emacs file? 23:21:10 i see .emacs.d in my ~ 23:21:27 ~/.emacs 23:21:45 should i create one? 23:22:02 you can pay somebody to create it for you 23:22:21 i am assuming thats a mockery :) 23:22:27 stassats: I first used a vi 20 years ago and have tried many editors since then, but vi is best for manipulating code; furthermore from what I know of the emacs way, adding modal keybindings via elisp makes perfect sense 23:22:39 zulax: check for ~/.emacs.d/init.el 23:23:16 nop, emacs.d just has auto-save-list 23:24:02 senj [~senj@S01060026f323bcdf.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:32 yeah! i got a CL-USER] 23:24:47 great, now open a file, and do what i said 23:24:53 -!- DataLinkDroid is now known as DataLinkAway 23:26:38 jasom_: i think i prefer stassats's commentary :) 23:26:44 stassats, thanks it works :) 23:26:48 awesome! 23:27:52 ok, great, now i can do some lisp finally 23:30:12 are the 2 windows called windows in emacs? i wanna google how to switch between those 2 screens 23:30:19 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 23:30:32 zulax: Emacs has excellent built-in documentation. 23:30:47 (wow, i get auto-completion as well) 23:30:56 zulax: press C-h t 23:30:59 ok 23:33:29 -!- tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:34:03 stassats: i hope this month's slime is good 23:34:18 -!- wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:48 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 23:35:05 is it worth it to try to use vim key bindings with emacs? 23:35:07 this, as in Februrary? 23:35:18 Februhairy :) 23:35:31 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 23:35:58 its gonna be hard switching back and forth with vim and emacs now 23:36:10 anyway, there weren't any big changes this year, so it's as good/bad is it was 23:36:20 zulax: just ditch vim 23:36:27 Buglouse [~buglouse@176.31.24.235] has joined #lisp 23:36:56 :( 23:37:03 me thinks 256MB for an email server, postgres and hunchentoot is pushing it a bit too far 23:37:13 my VPS has ground to a halt 23:37:30 s/M/G/ 23:38:16 i appreciate you guys helping me out today , 23:38:49 -!- dnolen [aa95640a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.170.149.100.10] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:40:40 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128228214.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:18 umm I might treat myself 23:41:35 to some more memory 23:41:48 here's a nickel, kid 23:42:13 Xach: if only it was that 23:42:19 ...cheap 23:42:22 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-137-69.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 23:44:39 well, an extra £3pm would get me 384MB 23:47:00 -!- acml [~user@92.44.26.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:48:04 and 6? 23:49:06 hetzner.de seems ludicrously cheap to me 23:49:12 *Xach* thinks about putting quicklisp.org there 23:49:22 they had cheap dedicated servers at one point, iirc 23:49:27 or beefy VPSes 23:50:20 Xach: and their service is quite good too 23:50:22 Xach: that is very cheap 23:51:10 for less than I am paying now I could get double the mem 23:51:28 tfb [~tfb@92.40.27.15.threembb.co.uk] has joined #lisp 23:51:29 Xach: Is your current amazon hosting lacking anything? 23:51:42 Xach: From what you mentioned it's already dirt-cheap, too. 23:52:11 antoszka: i use amazon s3 for hosting .tgz and index .txt files, but the website is on a leased server 23:52:24 Xach: Oh, I see. 23:52:33 p_l: hehe, a dedicated would be nice 23:52:34 alek_b [~alek_b@99-10-120-63.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:53:01 the specs are pretty sweet even on the low end 23:53:07 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:53:15 buy a beefy internet connection and host it from home 23:53:17 the bottom end VPS looks more than enough for me 23:53:35 Xach: iirc it's possible to host a static website from S3 23:53:44 stassats: probably end up more expensive 23:54:44 p_l: it is. i do not want to have a static website (even though that's what I have now) 23:54:51 I use my mobile phone for my internet connect 23:55:01 Xach: what would you prefer, then? 23:55:10 Guthur: _that_ sounds expensive 23:55:57 stassats: not really, it's standard enough contract, for the phone, and it has unlimited data 23:56:34 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:44 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.163.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:56:46 I got it just as the provider came out so they were trying to attract new customers with sweet deals 23:57:00 p_l: something where i can handle some requests with lisp. i like leased servers a lot. 23:57:01 mobile operators have a strange notion of unlimitness 23:57:20 they may throttle it, but at least there is no charge 23:57:34 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 23:57:48 stassats: ISPs in general, in my experience. 23:59:12 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.135.19] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.4.1] 23:59:36 hypercube32 [~hypercube@246.111.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp