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Is there a way to get a single column or a single row of an array? I'm looking at (make-array), and :displaced-to looks like what I want, but how would I specify a start/end index? 01:16:15 In case my problem is better solved other ways: I have a location (x, y) of a 2-dimensional array, and I need to find the nearest 0 to the left, to the right, to the down, and to the up of it. I was planning on slicing the array and using (position) 01:16:17 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:17:39 kamoricks, what about diagonally 01:17:48 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 01:18:02 Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:18:09 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:19:02 Quadrescence: Ah. Yes, and diagonally, but I feel like I'd have to handle those special... and if I'm handling all of those special, might as well handle the other four special.. 01:19:37 Suppose I could make a ((0 1) (0 -1) (1 0) ...) for directions, and then check in those. 01:19:48 that's what I would do 01:20:05 Thanks. 01:20:31 kamoricks, or if you don't care about speed, locate the zeros, calculate the distance to your target, and find the minimum 01:21:52 Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:22:25 Quadrescence: I'm generating a game tree. It's easier to check every possible direction than checking direction to every possible zero... Isn't it? 01:22:48 kamoricks, yes, my suggestion above is the easier, "slow" way 01:24:19 kamoricks: you can use displaced arrays for rows, but for columns you will have to copy the elements. 01:24:53 kamoricks: you can use array-dimensions to and array-row-major-index to compute the start end. 01:27:33 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: paul0] 01:32:12 -!- carlo_au [~carlo@ppp59-167-3-142.lns1.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:32:18 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:13 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.200.45] has joined #lisp 01:35:03 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 01:37:12 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:38:15 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.226] has joined #lisp 01:39:31 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 01:43:09 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 01:44:48 -!- deepfire [~deepfire@80.92.100.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:47:28 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:48:13 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: paul0] 01:50:54 -!- kgadek [~konrad@62.121.148.46] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 01:55:50 *Xach* runs into trouble building cl-redis, holds head in hands 01:56:22 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 01:56:29 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-219-139.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:57:02 -!- yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-231-66.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- lispyone [~lispyone@24.144.25.50] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-208-87.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- g000001 [~mc@www14045u.sakura.ne.jp] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:02 -!- foocraft [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- _stink_ [~stink@li61-113.members.linode.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-28-124.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- finnrobi [~robb@xvm-20-190.ghst.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- savant_ [~js@67.208.188.68] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- flip213 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- sbryant [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- timb [~tim@bacon2.burri.to] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:03 -!- Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has quit [*.net *.split] 01:57:15 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 01:58:05 lispyone [~lispyone@24.144.25.50] has joined #lisp 01:59:04 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 yoklov [~yoklov@24-177-5-183.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-231-66.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 cmm [~cmm@bzq-79-181-208-87.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 g000001 [~mc@www14045u.sakura.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 savant_ [~js@67.208.188.68] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 foocraft [foocraft@ibawizard.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 _stink_ [~stink@li61-113.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-28-124.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 finnrobi [~robb@xvm-20-190.ghst.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 flip213 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 sbryant [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 gemelen [~gemelen@gemelen.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 timb [~tim@bacon2.burri.to] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 lonstein [lonstein@ohno.mrbill.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:59:06 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 01:59:10 -!- kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:11 Xach: that bad? 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02:08:22 Everything I've found is a runtime-specific extension. 02:08:28 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-51-122.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 DataLinkDroid [~David@123.208.110.31] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 cYmen [~cymen@squint.a-oben.org] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 dsp_ [~tt@lebesgue.cowpig.ca] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Patzy [~something@bro29-1-82-245-180-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 peterbb [143027@diamant.ifi.uio.no] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 yroeht [~yroeht@x.yroeht.eu] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 loke [~elias@bb115-66-85-121.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 CrazyEddy [~oxlike@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Intensity [1RlKwavoGr@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 ski_ [~slj@c80-216-142-165.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 erg [~erg@li32-38.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Xof_ [~crhodes@158.223.51.79] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 felideon [~felideon@184.105.242.75] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 jsnell [~jsnell@ash.snellman.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Jabberwockey [~quassel@83.151.30.10] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 twopi [~tristan@lvps176-28-16-172.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 egn [~egn@li101-203.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 02:08:28 tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has joined #lisp 02:08:42 kamoricks: I think there are a few projects that incidentally provide command line arguments in a ported way 02:08:54 cl-launch for example, and probably others. they aren't coming to mind at the moment. 02:08:59 -!- gkeith_lt [georgekeit@nat/google/x-mzwdabuodvbdawcd] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:09:01 -!- Tordek [tordek@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:09:09 Tordek [tordek@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #lisp 02:09:45 Mm. Okay. It'll probably be easier to get it as standard input. 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sbcl-1.0.55-x86-windows-binary.msi is not the right way. it barfs on EXE format. anyone have just a tarball? 05:05:24 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has left #lisp 05:05:57 sbcl msi is the installer for sbcl? 05:06:13 you'd load your Lisp code, then do some sort of save-lisp-and-die. 05:07:09 pnathan: i cannot get the installer to run. 05:07:24 wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\dto\Desktop\sbcl-1.0.55-x86-windows-binary.msi 05:07:32 Are you using https://github.com/akovalenko/sbcl-win32-threads/wiki ? 05:07:56 pnathan: no i was using sbcl.org 05:08:00 pnathan: thank you, let me try this 05:08:04 I would also suspect that a "real" windows system is going to make your life massively easier. 05:09:28 -!- vairav [~vairav@c-98-207-170-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:09:28 dto: I'm pretty sure .msi files are not windows executables 05:09:52 Ralith: yes. that's what im saying, "anyone have just a tarball"? 05:11:39 dto: I searched GitHire for lispers near Boulder, and you were the #1 result! 05:12:17 sellout1: haha. 05:12:31 looking for lispers near boulder? 05:12:40 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-231-66.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 05:12:58 sbryant- [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has joined #lisp 05:12:59 pnathan: Nah, just that's where I am, and I wanted to see what GitHire does. 05:13:31 sellout1: i search for "lisp" "massachusetts" and get zillions 05:13:35 i dont see me 05:13:39 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-231-66.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:39 -!- sbryant [~freenode@ghanima.slavasaur.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:13:47 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 05:14:14 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 05:14:27 timb_ [~tim@bacon2.burri.to] has joined #lisp 05:14:35 -!- timb [~tim@bacon2.burri.to] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16:59 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-147-93.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: superflit] 05:17:02 nialo 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"can't load .core for different runtime, sorry" 05:43:25 that's with the winnt branch you linked me, pnathan 05:43:34 xyxu1 [~xyxu@58.41.2.250] has joined #lisp 05:43:52 drysdam [~dr@pool-70-16-206-52.man.east.myfairpoint.net] has joined #lisp 05:43:57 nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 05:44:08 I don't know a good deal about the akovalenko branch - I know it *seems* to be the most maintained windows development from what I can tell 05:44:15 I use Lisp on osx/linux 05:44:15 sunmix` [~user@171.4.38.8] has joined #lisp 05:44:33 -!- sunmix` [~user@171.4.38.8] has left #lisp 05:45:03 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Client Quit] 05:45:31 pokes_ [~pp@69.164.222.10] has joined #lisp 05:46:08 rson [~randy@c-68-32-170-89.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:17 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jirercroiwzzkbec] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:46:17 -!- yeltzooo7 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[~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 05:47:37 oh it works! 05:47:43 wine sbcl.exe --core sbcl.core 05:48:09 -!- nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:50:33 Does ccl have the equivalent of vector-sap? 05:51:04 < dto> wine: Bad EXE format for Z:\home\dto\Desktop\sbcl-1.0.55-x86-windows-binary.msi <-- well yes, it's not an executable; try 'wine msiexec teh-msi.msi', but if it's made with a too recent windows installer it won't work 05:53:11 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 05:53:50 ysph [~user@mobile-166-147-124-046.mycingular.net] has joined #lisp 06:01:26 Kovensky: hello, thank you. i was able to extract it through lessmsi, i had no idea about msiexec :) 06:01:31 Kovensky: i have another question now. 06:01:51 -!- khisanth_ is now known as Khisanth 06:01:51 The function SB-BSD-SOCKETS-INTERNAL::WSA-STARTUP is undefined. 06:02:13 thats when trying to install Quicklisp 06:02:20 it seems to work for awhile, but then that happens 06:02:24 i.e. a lot of stuff compiles 06:02:30 i'll paste the whole thing on lisppaste 06:02:47 *Kovensky* hasn't used lisp much lately 06:03:03 I don't think I've ever used SBCL either :S 06:03:23 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:34 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7F95.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:03:42 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 06:04:07 -!- dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:17 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@59.41.113.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:41 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:04:44 http://pastebin.com/5cLWhJwf for what its worth, here is the output. 06:05:04 -!- antgreen [~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890738.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:05:13 wait a minute. i think i've installed this wrong. 06:05:54 gaidal 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I don't see the results descibed in the document and am confused. 08:18:10 (make-package :jane) (in-package jane) (defun foo () "This is Jane's foo") 08:19:15 vervic [~vervic@chello080109071009.14.15.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 08:19:19 sigjuice: as tempting at it may be, you should not read that document :) 08:19:31 I get "undefined function: DEFUN" and "undefined variable: FOO" 08:19:54 sigjuice: from the failure of the first example to work, you can see that it is not a good document. refer to PCL instead. 08:21:14 -!- splittist [~splittist@74-104.198-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: splittist] 08:21:26 I will look into PCL 08:22:00 However, I am curious about what happened here 08:22:38 the "JANE" package didn't inherit from CL, where all the symbols like "DEFUN" are. 08:23:57 Bike: there is no "inheritance" in packages. 08:25:01 Doesn't use the CL package? I've seen it called inheritance. 08:25:42 Bike: it is called "using" 08:25:57 Bike: classes inherit. 08:26:00 Bike: sorry. :) 08:26:08 clhs says this about make-package's :use argument. 08:26:13 use specifies zero or more packages the external symbols of which are to be inherited by the new package. 08:26:26 sigjuice: uh 08:26:31 Bike: SORRY 08:26:43 *H4ns* stops trying to be picky. 08:27:03 Ahaha. "Use" is probably better anyway, since it works pretty differently from class inheritance. 08:29:10 ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has joined #lisp 08:30:34 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:31:13 mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 08:32:40 -!- Vinnipeg [~zaytsev_k@79.126.72.235] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:39 anaumov [~anaumov@opensuse/member/Alexander-Naumov] has joined #lisp 08:36:59 Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 08:37:49 -!- gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:38:04 hkarlen [~user@ip-85-197-171-11.c4stads.bikab.com] has joined #lisp 08:46:16 ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has joined #lisp 08:46:57 good morning everyone 08:47:29 Harag [~phil@dsl-146-202-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 08:49:30 kaidw [~kaidw@113.57.222.202] has joined #lisp 08:50:09 splittist [d417faa6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.23.250.166] has joined #lisp 08:50:13 morning 08:50:52 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Client Quit] 08:50:59 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:52:26 Turns out CCL behaves exactly as described on page 1 of packages.pdf 08:52:42 hi, i seem to have borked my installation while messing around with sbcl.exe and Wine. Now i'm trying to install quicklisp with a fresh sbcl install, and getting this: http://pastebin.com/WiBf9iqR 08:52:56 anyone know what that message means? 08:53:16 moin 08:53:17 sigjuice: that's by accident 08:54:21 jdz: how so? Is there something implementation specific going on here? 08:54:45 sigjuice: l1sp.org/cl/make-package 08:54:56 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-144-181.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 08:55:22 sigjuice: check the default for 'use' parameter 08:56:11 I tried :use '("CL-USER") in SBCL but it didn't seem to help 08:57:36 sigjuice: as far as i can read from section 11.1.2.2, cl-user package does not export anything 08:57:55 sigjuice: maybe you wanted common-lisp package? 09:00:04 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:00:05 jdz: :use '("COMMON-LISP") did the trick. Thanks! 09:02:22 sigjuice: it's not a trick lol 09:03:41 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-108-128.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: seriously impossible!] 09:05:11 I am not sure I completely understand SBCL's make-package behavior. Shouldn't primitive things like defun remain available without resorting to :use? 09:05:57 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-028.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:06:24 sigjuice: no. DEFUN is not a primitive thing, but a symbol exported from common-lisp package 09:07:15 sigjuice: in common-lisp there are no "reserved key words" as in other languages 09:07:25 sigjuice: it's all about symbols 09:07:31 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:08:22 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has left #lisp 09:12:53 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 09:13:39 well, one could argue that the special forms are "primitive things" 09:13:54 forms yes, symbols no 09:14:08 ah, true 09:14:16 jdz: I think I get it. CLHS says that make-package's :use list is implementation defined. 09:14:27 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:15:13 This should explain why CCL and SBCL behave differently 09:15:57 sigjuice: so if you want a consistent behaviour across implementations, you must specify the use list yourself 09:18:54 -!- Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [*.net *.split] 09:18:56 Well ... try naming a variable common-lisp:t. 09:19:14 Zhivago: your point being? 09:19:26 Quadrescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 09:19:38 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-146-202-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:21:29 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-030.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 09:24:20 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:25:09 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:45 easy-iPad [~easyipad@213.47.71.36] has 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what dbus library ? 11:36:26 drwho [~drwho@152-123-174-206.gci.net] has joined #lisp 11:37:35 maxm-: Did you get the IPS-based 27" NEC? 11:37:36 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.130.175.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 11:37:52 fe[nl]ix: from quicklisp: https://github.com/death/dbus 11:37:57 -!- kanru` [~user@118-163-10-190.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:38:29 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:38:40 i use a fork that adds a SASL auth method for the system bus: https://github.com/lucashpandolfo/dbus 11:39:10 kennyd [~kennyd@93-140-177-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 11:39:22 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-140-177-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:14 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 11:41:17 the issue reoccurred after switching to the select muxer, i have since added a max-step which translates to a timeout for the select call and that's been running for ~8 hours 11:43:57 brown`` [user@nat/google/x-ghqcahmfedlquntu] has joined #lisp 11:45:47 kennyd [~kennyd@93-140-177-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 11:46:23 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-140-177-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:29 -!- brown` [user@nat/google/x-yppkqgjhfxvdibfa] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48:15 antoszka: NEC multisync PA271W 11:48:53 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:49:41 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:50:20 maxm-: Thx. How are you finding it? I was thinking about getting it for myself, too. 11:50:41 antoszka: very nice and sharp so far 11:51:24 ysph: do you have a test case ? 11:52:16 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:52:19 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:52:20 antoszka: only thing I noticed is that I'm booting my linux into text mode by default (the standard 80x25), and this monitor apparently does not support it, as it turns off when I switch to console 11:53:06 maxm-: Hm. That could turn out problematic. Perhaps you should run your console in a higher resolution framebuffer mode. 11:53:18 antoszka: wondering what would happen on reboot.. But I can always re-enable suse default graphical console 11:53:40 Right. 11:53:55 *maxm-* connected it without rebooting, cant reboot right now with german market on fire 11:54:08 -!- gko [~gko@27.243.241.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:42 fe[nl]ix: unfortunately i don't have an isolated case, i will work on it, i wonder whether the fact that it's running in stumpwm could have an impact? 11:54:53 am0c [~am0c@59.5.107.158] has joined #lisp 11:55:15 can't you see bios screen too? 11:55:25 why not create a #stumpwm channel? 11:55:35 decaf: I have not tried rebooting with new monitor attached yet 11:56:17 I assume it will be fine, would have been more noise about such problem on the net otherwise 11:57:38 ysph: I can't see why it would 11:59:24 fe[nl]ix: i'll work on it 12:01:37 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:02:35 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:04:26 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has 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13:32:34 Attempting to read it will signal an error with the default settings. 13:32:35 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:32:37 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:32:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:36:41 kenanb: in slime you can 13:36:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:36:49 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37:40 jdz: does this mean that any presentation that is printed to the slime repl remains referenced until... the buffer is cleared? 13:37:51 jdz: yes, because by pushing that in the current input you infact push the internal representation of that object in slime 13:37:59 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:38:22 H4ns: as far as i know, yes 13:38:56 kenanb: well, the internals work a bit differently, but yeah, like that. 13:39:07 jdz: ok, thanks 13:39:36 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-175-33.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 13:40:30 jdz: it was not exactly what i meant, because if you write yourself (class-name #) in slime, it will error 13:41:00 you should right-click and "copy to repl" 13:41:09 kenanb: or just press enter 13:41:31 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:41:36 ah, good to know :) 13:41:40 wow, I didn't know that 13:42:34 or what i like to do, press C-c C-v i 13:43:01 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:43:51 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:45:02 Xach: hello there. did you know that running the Win32 version of SBCL on Wine on a linux system, can now make Win32 binaries that work on a real windows system? 13:45:05 pnq [~nick@ACA24526.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:45:26 -!- killerboy 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-!- benny [~benny@i577A83DD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:55:10 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:55:34 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:56:33 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:56:34 i remember another lisp regular, beach i guess, whom i haven't seen here for a long time here 13:56:35 Xach: yes. heres my build script: 13:57:15 https://github.com/dto/blocky/blob/master/build-win32.lisp needs some cleanups 13:57:21 kenanb: you are not the only one. 13:57:33 and i can write up some notes on how to get everything installed properly 13:57:37 -!- qelsi [~qelsi@117.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:57:41 qelsi [~qelsi@117.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:58:11 allegro cl? 13:58:34 no, sbcl. sorry that comment is very old. 13:59:06 jdz: him not being around is stranger than other for me because he joined the channel every single day around the same times, and afaik he was a lisp lover academic from france 14:00:04 i would find it strange if a probably over 40 academic lisper suddenly changes his preferred language, especially if that lang is cl :) 14:00:14 he is closer to 100 than 40 14:00:45 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:01:09 Xach: i was trying to be polite in case he has a strange habit of reading the irc logs :p 14:01:13 Xach: He's over 70? 14:01:23 Possibly 80, or 90 14:01:47 Xach: you sure? 14:02:17 last time i saw him, he was on a mission to provide some fresh blood to cl community from university 14:02:27 kenanb: I saw beach at ECLM in October, but even at that time he was not on IRC much. 14:02:37 kenanb: Perhaps he has no time for IRC any more. 14:02:38 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-182.rz.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04:17 Xach: according to facebook, 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seconds] 14:40:29 decaf: i am not linguist nor i know what the hell this library is about but the sentences of translation seemed more or less readable to me 14:40:47 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 14:41:06 am0c [~am0c@59.5.107.158] has joined #lisp 14:41:06 then, please tell me what the heck does that double-array at the and 14:41:11 end* 14:41:38 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.81] has joined #lisp 14:43:03 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:44:27 ehh, i never expected that much correct translation from google, and there is always the possiblity the author of this page is talking nonsense :D 14:44:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-042.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:45:01 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:46:08 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128160234.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 14:46:44 kenanb: you also did not expect people on this channel to be smart enough to try and solve their problems themselves before asking here 14:49:12 jdz: indeed i expect that, i just do not necessarily assume people knowing about google translate 14:50:01 kenanb: even if they tell that google translate does not work for them? 14:50:54 jdz: i forgot to mention i do not necessarily assume people knowing katakana is japan, since i didn't, i just autotranslated 14:51:12 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:51:33 jdz: and this will lead us to the point where you say i don't expect people to be smart enough to see auto-translate option or search for katakana 14:52:44 jdz: and i'll again argue this is not necessarily about smartness which will lead us to the point where you ask why i answered the last part and i'll answer i was kidding after some point 14:52:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:53:00 AFAIK which is completely harmless 14:53:08 so move on please 14:53:15 -!- Ragnaroek [~chatzilla@webuds163-182.rz.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 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objects? 15:19:58 kenanb: for the humans to read 15:20:04 Sometimes you have things that you don't want readback in? 15:20:09 -!- cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:20:11 read back 15:20:52 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 15:20:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:22:36 -!- SurlyFrog [~Adium@c-24-118-228-15.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:22:48 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 15:23:19 kenanb: even if a printed representation is not readable, it still can contain useful information. 15:23:55 i see 15:23:59 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:23:59 kenanb: for instance, if you have a class that represents a record in the dadatabase, the printed representation would contain the primary key of that record. 15:24:15 of a record instance, that is 15:24:32 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 15:25:30 and i just realized there is a *print-readably* which at least in sbcl makes the output completely useful in its text form, or that is what i felt so 15:26:57 cyphase [~cyphase@unaffiliated/cyphase] has joined #lisp 15:27:26 dsabanin [~dsabanin@89.22.164.95] has joined #lisp 15:29:55 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.81] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 15:30:46 jdz: i completely agree printed representation contains useful information, and i find it quite proper, what i wondered was why they made it explicitly unreadable, but than it is already unreadable by machine, having an unreadable object syntax just makes it safer i guess 15:32:27 kenanb: I think you mean "optionally unreadable" 15:33:17 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node41.html#SECTION006140000000000000000 15:33:50 i haven't found the corresponding article in clhs yet, but cltl says the <# is not acceptable to the read 15:34:01 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34:19 kenanb: yes, but you were 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comes with google closure javascript library for DOM (also Enfocus and Enlive) 16:15:24 and we are going with CoffeeScript 16:15:24 -!- G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:31 client-side lisp scripting? :s 16:16:00 EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 16:16:02 or is it pre-compiled? 16:16:05 if you are looking to jquery on top of parenscript, maybe parenscript is not enough (it is a translator like scriptjure) where maybe ClojureScript is something you would be interesting 16:16:06 G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:06 humasect: and in CL? 16:16:08 both 16:16:21 coffeescript with parenscript? ^_^ 16:16:32 *p_l|backup* does an experiment, where people who had never seen Lisp will work on project that has significant CL use 16:16:38 in CL, i just used jquery with parenscript as usual 16:17:30 humasect: no, CoffeeScript is being used on frontend in my current application, because we ship the whole JS as application code to the browser (the server never responds with dynamically-generated HTML) 16:18:26 quick question: rumor has it that CL is terrific for code generation; what are the facts? 16:18:34 like this : (chain ($ document) (ready start-graph)) 16:18:41 p_l|backup: That's an experiment ITA has been running for a while. 16:18:46 lisps are great for code generation 16:19:05 armornick: you get a ton of stuff that you'd otherwise have to write yourself, so code generation is easy, if your input comes in form that can be done with using READ 16:19:07 or " (setf *ctx* (chain (@ ($ "#screen-canvas") 0) (get-context "2d"))) " (to get html5 canvas) 16:19:14 I want to create a to-C compiler as a hobby project 16:19:25 and I was also interested in trying something new 16:19:30 i am looking at Elisp actually for a to-ObjC project 16:19:35 sellout1: yeah, I'm doing it with my team for a project we have to hand in in May 16:19:41 armornick: pick up a copy of LiSP 16:19:55 p_l|backup: ITA gives each dev a copy of PCL. 16:20:01 haha 16:20:06 =p 16:20:18 sellout1: the people who want to work on the core logic (written in CL) are getting PCL from me :) 16:20:38 ITA? 16:20:43 we are using AllegroCL, btw 16:21:04 Odin-: They're called "Google" now ;) 16:21:09 Haxe uses OcaML so I was thinking of trying that first, but I really took a liking to Scheme and the like 16:21:21 but Scheme refuses to work 16:21:34 Odin-: Big lisp-using company  they do the flight search stuff behind almost every site except for Expedia. 16:21:37 there are many schemes 16:21:41 and various dialects 16:21:44 sellout1: afaik they are still rather separate in Google internals... but I don't have that much of insider view ;) 16:21:47 and this channel is for none of them 16:22:04 sellout1: heh 16:22:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:22:10 sellout1: Hm. Had the right one in mind, then. 16:23:33 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:23:53 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:24:01 -!- humasect [~humasect@d24-235-167-67.home1.cgocable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:52 however, Lisp Cabinet includes Racket, which seems to mean that Scheme and CLisp have a relationship ;) 16:25:32 armornick: CL is much more standardized than Scheme (or at least, the standard covers a lot of practical stuff), and there are some good portability libs covering the rest, so I find it nicer to work than Scheme in general (where every variant gets much, much different outside of r5rs, or even r4rs) 16:25:34 armornick: Java and Javascript have a relationship, too. 16:25:57 of name and using brackets 16:26:00 armornick: by "CLisp" do you mean "Common Lisp" or "CLISP"? 16:26:15 CLisp = Common Lisp 16:26:18 sorry for the confusion 16:26:24 CLISP is an implementation of CL: http://www.clisp.org/ 16:26:29 though Icurrently use CLISP 16:26:54 The More You Know 16:27:03 indeed 16:27:18 *sbryant-* rocks out on sbcl 16:27:23 -!- sbryant- is now known as sbryant 16:27:48 I have just installed ECL, SBCL and CLISP with Emacs (and Racket) 16:28:17 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:29:01 to me, Scheme vs CL seems very much like Linux vs BSD :D 16:29:33 Get over it. 16:29:38 there's a bit of that tribal thing 16:29:53 and you know, the fact that they're completely different languages. 16:29:54 eventually scheme will grow to include everything in CL and then it will be pure tribalism. that will be a happy day 16:30:00 armornick: it's more difference than that. Both BSD and Linux go after single standard 16:30:06 but we needn't concern ourselves with such trivialities 16:30:12 tromey: we are already joking about r6rs-big ;) 16:30:40 :) 16:30:44 p_l|backup: r7rs-big? 16:30:58 sellout1: that was r7? 16:31:07 the 7th r is "really" 16:31:24 p_l|backup: r7 is in process  two standards, small and large. 16:31:33 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:31:39 *p_l|backup* lost track, stopped caring around time r5rs was the king and he discovered PCL 16:31:59 a lot of schemes stopped with r5rs as far as I know 16:32:28 tromey: At which point none of the nominal reasons to prefer Scheme over CL will apply, and most of those actually interested in Scheme's design will have mutinied and started over..? 16:33:00 I think some people genuinely prefer the lisp-1 thing and I guess that will remain a differentiator 16:33:09 Ah. 16:33:12 There is that, yes. 16:33:22 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483ADB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:33:26 people often think they care about minimalism but in the end they usually abandon it 16:33:36 I never really buy that explanation 16:33:49 rmathews [~roshan@59.92.77.89] has joined #lisp 16:34:09 Although I've caught myself accidentally using variable names that are standard function names ... not getting an error on that is rather useful. 16:34:57 I'm more of a lisp-2 person myself but not for any better reason than I learned emacs lisp first 16:35:49 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:36:04 (lambda (list) (handle list)) is valid in lisp-1s, too :) 16:36:33 I don't know if scheme yells at people for rebinding built-ins. 16:36:44 True. 16:37:07 But I noticed it when I wanted to do something like (max max new). :p 16:37:38 I'd say it's a very bad thing to be able to redefine built-ins :s 16:37:52 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 16:38:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:38:09 usually 16:38:44 *splittist* thanks everyone, but is more confused... 16:39:10 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:39:48 Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:39:55 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120129021758]] 16:39:56 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:40:00 wow, Emacs looks strange 16:40:05 first time using it 16:41:04 yup, it looks.. 16:41:10 but turns out to be quite useful.. 16:42:16 i started using it about 2 weeks ago.. printed out a cheat sheet for emacs.. good to look sometimes.. 16:42:23 Yuuhi [benni@p5483ADB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:27 also, it has a built-in tutorial.. 16:44:06 and it has SLIME ;) 16:44:49 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:46:00 i'm having issues with abcl and including jar files. i've added some jar files to my classpath, but don't seem to be able to use them. ie i can't call forName on the included class. 16:46:39 armornick: you'll come back from that once you head back to eclipse from some time using emacs 16:47:24 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:48:52 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:49:09 anyways, the java snippet is Class.forName("org.firebirdsql.jdbc.FBDriver"); i don't understand why it doesn't run in my abcl instance. 16:50:23 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:52:14 mintsoup [~mintsoup@173-164-33-21-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:32 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:52:40 -!- ChibaPet [~ChibaPet@fsf/member/chibapet] has left #lisp 16:54:19 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54:45 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385490.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:56:00 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:56:09 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 16:56:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:58:26 oh, so clojure is actually a lisp dialect :o 16:58:30 I didn't know that 16:58:41 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.180.118] has joined #lisp 16:58:49 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:59:20 what did you think it was? 16:59:45 well, I never even looked at it, tbh :D 16:59:58 just heard about it 17:01:32 armornick: Please convert your external monologue into an internal one. 17:01:48 excuse me 17:02:42 it's not really obtrusive. 17:03:09 fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-035-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:06:49 rtoyg [chatzilla@nat/google/x-zhecbaemxibvlzdy] has joined #lisp 17:08:18 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:09:21 Anyone know if ccl has the equivalent of cmucl/sbcl's vector-sap, with-float-traps-masked, and without-gcing? 17:09:45 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:10:09 Well, I'm also assuming that things like (simple-array double-float (*)) stores the double-float data in a contiguous chunk of memory. 17:12:05 -!- G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:12 -!- drwho [~drwho@152-123-174-206.gci.net] has quit [Quit: bbl] 17:14:56 apropos loop: is it standard behaviour, that in cases like this: (loop for i in nil for x = (print "unused") finally (return (list 'i i 'x x))), all evaluations afte ='s are skipped and set o nil? 17:15:08 G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 17:15:12 s/o/to 17:16:16 rtoyg: http://ccl.clozure.com/ccl-documentation.html#Tutorial--Allocating-Foreign-Data-on-the-Lisp-Heap 17:16:23 -!- weinholt [weinholt@2a02:9a0:6:821a:20a:e4ff:fe2d:16e4] has quit [Changing host] 17:16:23 weinholt [weinholt@debian/emeritus/weinholt] has joined #lisp 17:16:26 *trebor_dki* re-reading loop chapter 17:17:28 gz: Thanks. 17:18:00 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 17:18:16 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 17:18:18 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:18:26 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:18:50 -!- joast [~rick@98.145.65.117] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:10 trebor_dki: clhs 06_abb seems to say so. the variables must be initialized to a sane default for their type. for type t, the default is nil. 17:19:28 -!- G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:19:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:19:48 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:21:03 kenanb [~user@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 17:22:05 madnificent: thanks, i stumbled over things like this (loop for i in nil for x from 3 finally (return (list 'i i 'x x))) -> (i nil x 3), but in case for x = "used?" then "unused" -> (i nil x nil) 17:22:52 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:23:09 gz: That's not quite what I want. I have a lisp array and want to get the address of the data area and send that to a foreign function. I don't want to create a foreign array on the lisp heap. (But I guess that's possible implementation for matlisp.) 17:23:15 trebor_dki: AFAI< the first one could have returned the same. 17:23:21 Tjat 17:23:30 (and the last one either). 17:23:34 That's not possible in ccl 17:23:46 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:09 -!- armornick [~armornick@102.164-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:11 gz: No? Not even with super-secret internal hacks? 17:25:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:26:05 pjb & madnificent: is this the reason? 6.1.2 Variable Initialization and Stepping Clauses -> Stepping assignments are made in the loop body before any other forms are evaluated in the body. 17:26:08 Well, I suppose you could tenure it and avoid full gc. 17:26:18 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 17:26:45 *trebor_dki* fears to rely on an implementation/feature/ 17:27:21 If the optional type-spec argument is supplied for the variable var, but there is no related expression to be evaluated, var is initialized to an appropriate default value for its type. 17:27:31 In general, in ccl if you want an object to not move, you have to allocate it outside the lisp heap. It can look like a lisp object and be treated as such by all normal functions. But once you've created an object in the lisp heap, you can't really pin it down. 17:27:35 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 17:27:37 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 17:27:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:27:42 -!- Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:27:51 Ashii [~Ashii@c-0657e255.246-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 17:28:00 trebor_dki: it seem sto me, that there are no forms to be evaluated, as the 'in' clause terminated too early. therefore, they must be initialized to their default value. 17:28:25 gz: Yes, with cmucl and sbcl, I turn off GC for the duration of the foreign call, so that nothing moves. But if an ivector behaves exactly like a Lisp vector, this will work out just fine. 17:28:50 rtoyg: use the static-vectors package 17:28:51 cmm: special operators are not primitives, because CLHS allows implementations to implement them as macros (and macros as special operators, and function too, inasmuch as they can be opencoded). So the actual set of primitives depends on the implementation. 17:28:58 or with-pointer-to-vector-data 17:29:03 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-19.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:29:06 trebor_dki: though that could be exclusive to the with clause though. 17:29:17 Well, if you can make sure, in your application, that nothing is going to gc, then, well, nothing is going to gc... 17:29:59 But if you don't have full control of all threads, the only way to do that is to suspend all other threads while your foreign call runs. 17:31:30 gc (even ephemeral gc) doesn't happen spontaneously, it happens when some code running in some thread attempts to cons. 17:32:06 rme [~rme@50.43.133.173] has joined #lisp 17:32:37 gz: This is for matlisp. Matlisp itself doesn't use threads, but the users of matlisp might. (But matlisp, I think, is not thread safe because it uses a few globals unnecessarily. That should be fixed.) 17:32:48 vimja [~kyle@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 17:32:59 *rtoyg* looks up static-vectors 17:33:37 Yeah, I don't think you can rely on the not-consing approach in a general purpose tool. 17:34:11 rtoyg: Maybe ccl:with-pointer-to-ivector would work for you. 17:34:35 joast [~rick@98.145.65.117] has joined #lisp 17:34:44 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:34:46 -!- kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-87-79-48-50.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:51 kwmiebach [~kwmiebach@xdsl-78-34-204-7.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:36:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:36:48 rme: That seems like it will work. And there's even an example calling Fortran. :-) http://trac.clozure.com/ccl/wiki/ForeignFunctionInterface. 17:36:51 G68196 [~toor@cayce.dropsonde.net] has joined #lisp 17:37:08 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-385490.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:37:12 Oh hey, I wrote that. 17:37:22 Imagine that. 17:37:23 :-) 17:38:24 osa1 [~sinan@31.140.21.20] has joined #lisp 17:39:04 vitka [~vitka@188.32.243.108] has joined #lisp 17:39:23 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187846.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 17:39:28 rme: That seems perfect! Now all I need is a way to disable all fpu exceptions. (Not strictly necessary, but Fortran assumes it, so weird things might happen.) 17:40:23 ccl:get-fpu-mode and ccl:set-fpu-mode can do that. I think they're in the manual. 17:40:26 *rme* checks 17:41:44 Yes. http://ccl.clozure.com/ccl-documentation.html#floating-point 17:42:56 rme: Thanks! 17:43:14 -!- osa1 [~sinan@31.140.21.20] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:43:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:56 With these hints, it looks like matlisp will probably be able to run with ccl. 17:44:58 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.180.118] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:45:23 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 17:45:23 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:45:23 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:46:13 Guthur [~user@212.183.140.55] has joined #lisp 17:48:04 rtoyg: with-pointer-to-vector-data probably uses that internally, and should be more portable 17:48:28 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:49:02 Ralith: From the static-vectors library? The code is already pretty non-portable, but using static-vectors might be a nice update. 17:49:17 CFFI, actually 17:49:26 (apropos is nice) 17:49:30 Cosman246 [~user@D-69-91-156-94.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 17:49:42 static-vectors is an orthogonal solution 17:50:13 w-p-t-v-d is nice in that it works with normal vectors that don't need global extent 17:50:43 but it also may be implemented as copy-in/copy-out on some platforms 17:51:52 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.180.118] has joined #lisp 17:54:28 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:38 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:56:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:57:32 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:57:38 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58:07 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 17:58:30 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 17:58:35 Ralith: Ok. (I don't have cffi with me right now.) If that's a part of cffi, then with-pointer-to-vector-data is perfect. And allows matlisp to work with any lisp. 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18:58:29 yeah .. although looking at the source i don't understand how this could be breaking, since the code apparently translates it to the new form anyway 18:59:04 oh, it's not actually 18:59:07 hello all ... is the lizard or lizard like thing a mascot of lisp? i noticed that sometime ... also is "mascot" the right terminology? 18:59:14 m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.141] has joined #lisp 18:59:30 oGMo: what is it, is it an un-exported func of cffi 18:59:39 I can't work out what it is 18:59:53 Guthur: what do you mean? 19:00:05 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:00:12 oGMo: what is cffi-fsbv 19:00:30 fsbv port of cffi 19:00:38 fsbv is an alternative to asdf 19:00:45 ah 19:00:46 Guthur: fsbv means foreign struct by value, read the docs/diffs/etc 19:00:47 never heard of it 19:00:52 or so i heard.....! 19:00:57 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 19:01:03 homie: that is entirely wrong 19:01:16 oh heh 19:01:24 goog to have it corrected then 19:01:26 good* 19:01:29 oGMo: It is not in the quicklisp version of cffi, hence i could not work out what it is 19:01:45 s/is/was 19:01:53 Guthur: ah yeah, it's a branch 19:02:02 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:02:14 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-qsrfpmksgahrtrby] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:34 also your abbreviation was non standard, hehe 19:02:43 cffi:f-s-b-v 19:03:31 cffi:fsbv would probably be acceptable as well 19:04:08 -!- gic [~m@202.3.77.232] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 19:04:43 -!- Buglouse [~buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:04:58 Kron_ [~Kron@129.97.120.19] has joined #lisp 19:05:22 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 19:05:52 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 19:06:47 -!- dtw [dtw@pdpc/supporter/active/dtw] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:07:16 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:04 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:08:05 coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:08:05 -!- coyo [kvirc@pool-71-164-238-90.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:08:05 coyo [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 19:08:27 Khisanth [~Khisanth@50.14.244.111] has joined #lisp 19:10:23 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:16:27 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:17:44 hi 19:17:47 Xach: the zs3 updates post keeps popping up in the plant lisp twitter gateway. any ideas why? 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19:38:43 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:38:47 and reduced redundancy 19:38:53 as well as call for ideas to add 19:39:05 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:05 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:39:05 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 19:41:10 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 19:41:33 Good stuff 19:41:49 I think I plans to use that library soon-ish 19:42:31 dnjaramba [~dnjaramba@41.72.206.142] has joined #lisp 19:45:25 ehu [~ehuels@87.212.64.118] has joined #lisp 19:46:22 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:46:40 gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-24-217-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:08 brooomden [~bromden@89.222.240.145] has joined #lisp 19:48:21 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:48:30 totzeit [~kirkwood@64.9.146.138] has joined #lisp 19:48:30   19:48:44 Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-149.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 19:48:46 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-219-139.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:48:56 |nix| [~user@66-194-253-20.static.twtelecom.net] has joined #lisp 19:49:10 -!- brooomden [~bromden@89.222.240.145] has quit [Client Quit] 19:49:45 <|nix|> hi all 19:51:30 <|nix|> how do we make (format) not wrap at 80 19:52:20 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:52:38 -!- ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:19 -!- sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:53:26 -!- wildnux [~wildnux@pool-71-252-145-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:54:08 |nix|: how would you describe the limit at 80? 19:57:08 <|nix|> splittist: somehow when i try to print a lst using format it sort of does a newline/indent at 80 column 19:57:21 sawjig [~sawjig@gateway/tor-sasl/sawjig] has joined #lisp 19:57:46 Bucciarati [~buccia@212.45.155.200] has joined #lisp 19:57:47 ivan\ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined #lisp 19:58:20 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:58:25 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 19:59:03 <|nix|> splittist: (format stream "~{~s~^:~}~%" cd) 19:59:10 |nix|: perhaps "right margin" might be a possible description? What happens if you use APROPOS to look for things about 'margin'? 20:00:11 -!- Harag [~phil@dsl-146-202-89.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:00:12 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:00:23 <|nix|> splittist: *PRINT-RIGHT-MARGIN* (bound) 20:00:23 <|nix|> :MARGIN (bound) 20:00:23 <|nix|> :PRINT-RIGHT-MARGIN (bound) 20:00:23 <|nix|> :RIGHT-MARGIN (bound) 20:00:26 <|nix|> QUICKLISP-CLIENT::MARGIN 20:00:29 <|nix|> SWANK::PRINT-RIGHT-MARGIN 20:00:48 |nix|: I don't think splittist was asking for his benefit. 20:02:39 _UNDEF [~none@177.43.148.70] has joined #lisp 20:02:48 ineiros_ [~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:02:56 <|nix|> splittist: Ralith: thanks 20:03:49 -!- ineiros_ [~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20:04:22 |nix|: (let ((*print-pretty* nil)) (format )) 20:04:35 -!- Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:05:45 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:05:54 <|nix|> pjb: thank you. This is much better than what I was trying to do :D 20:05:57 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:00 -!- ineiros is now known as ineiros_ 20:07:26 eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has joined #lisp 20:07:37 -!- eno [~eno@70.137.133.209] has quit [Changing host] 20:07:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:08:11 -!- pjb is now known as pascal 20:08:15 -!- pascal is now known as robert` 20:08:19 -!- robert` is now known as jean` 20:08:26 -!- jean` is now known as informatimago 20:08:29 -!- informatimago is now known as ogamita 20:09:42 ineiros [~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 20:10:29 schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has joined #lisp 20:13:52 paul424 [~chatzilla@91.207.68.2] has joined #lisp 20:15:29 timor [~timor@port-92-195-107-49.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 20:16:21 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:16:49 -!- jewel [~jewel@196.215.168.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:17:43 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:18:23 JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has joined #lisp 20:18:40 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:20:10 ok I am at inferior lisp mode in emacs, how do I evaluate experssions ? 20:20:41 paul424: Did you try typing them in and pressing return? 20:20:59 yeap it does not work ... 20:21:00 paul424: (+ 1 2) RET 20:21:16 paul424: how did you arrive at that mode? 20:21:24 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:21:24 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:21:24 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:21:31 -!- ogamita is now known as pjb 20:21:50 emacs example.lisp 20:22:19 this is not enough to get an *inferior-lisp* buffer. 20:22:20 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 20:22:29 paul424: type M-x inferior-lis RET 20:22:31 paul424: type M-x inferior-lisp RET 20:22:40 (well the first would work, thanks to autocompletion) 20:23:31 pjb: output file descriptor is closed ... >_> 20:23:47 btw , I wanna try common lisp in emacs .... what to do ? 20:24:51 have you installed a Common Lisp implementation? 20:24:59 pjb: yes 20:25:30 Type C-u M-x inferior-lisp RET and give the path to your cl implementation executable. 20:25:44 By default it tries lisp which is cmucl, which may not be the one you installed. 20:25:51 pjb: is there a quicklisp screencast about how to setup slime? it'd be something that could come in handy when linking... using quicklisp to set it up is by far the easiest way 20:26:18 madnificent: I don't know. Perhaps something in Xach's blog. 20:27:01 paul424: Most people use SLIME to interact with Lisp from Emacs. You're better off setting that up. 20:27:24 Let's first have *inferior-lisp* work. 20:27:29 It's already installed. 20:27:31 donno ..... I wanted just to try out ,,, yeah 20:27:52 major mode is Comint ... what does that mean ? 20:28:31 but ok how do I evaluate the bloody s-expersion ? 20:28:33 comint is the mode used to communicate with the inferior processes. 20:28:51 So once eyou have a prompt in *inferior-lisp* you just type (+ 1 2) RET at it. 20:29:00 A few days ago, somebody posted a good quickstart guide to getting things running. I don't recall the link. It may have been geared towards SBCL and Linux, but I don't recall. 20:29:09 uhh I got it from #emacs , its c+x c+e :D 20:31:50 paul424: you can M-x customize-variable RET inferior-lisp-program RET so that next time you just have to type M-x inferior-lisp RET 20:32:45 aha 20:32:45 paul424: or download quicklisp (quicklisp.org), after installing it do (ql:quickload "slime-helper") and follow the instructions on how to get slime up and running 20:33:05 paul424: it shouldn't take more than a minute 20:33:25 If you should decide you want to program serriously in Common Lisp, yes, add quicklisp, slime and paredit. 20:33:30 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:34:16 -!- vitka [~vitka@188.32.243.108] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:34:51 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:09 pjb: little play with repos :D .... time for 20:35:39 if to install lisp libraries, use quicklisp. 20:35:46 Xach played with the repos for you. 20:36:07 Once installed, just type (ql:quickload :) to download and load . 20:38:58 pjb: I am utterly confused what works under what ... 20:39:10 -!- totzeit [~kirkwood@64.9.146.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:39:45 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 20:40:04 yaht3e [~nicholasb@74.195.43.20] has joined #lisp 20:40:27 paul424: you may run your cl implementation in a terminal to see what's provided by CL. 20:41:11 pjb : how do I load file from under clisp 20:41:30 It's standardized: the same as in any other CL implementation. 20:41:33 (load "file.lisp") 20:41:34 (load "/path/to/my/file.lisp") 20:41:46 :) 20:41:52 yeah I found that out :D 20:48:21 -!- Patterngazer [~Patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: Copywight 2011 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.] 20:48:31 What Downloading MegaOntologicalDatabase -- " HEGEL " 764 Terrabytes of data to download ..... 20:48:58 ..... and I wanted just to write a few simple macros .... 20:49:05 (*** joke //// ) 20:52:40 -!- _UNDEF [~none@177.43.148.70] has quit [Quit: Ok, Charlie. Now you can leave my finger.] 20:52:43 pnq [~nick@AC8124B5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:54:53 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:50 -!- redline6561_ is now known as redline6561_nop 20:56:13 pjb: ok how do I now start the slime ? 20:56:39 You have to install it first. You may get it from quicklisp. 20:56:41 paul424: if you've installed slime through quicklisp: M-x slime 20:56:53 (otherwise too, but i didn't see you installing it) 20:57:19 I did trust me :D , hmmm 20:57:52 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:58:16 -!- kamoricks [~james@Syncleus/dev/freeone3000] has left #lisp 20:58:23 http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/ 21:01:21 hm 21:01:36 (local-time:timestamp+ (local-time:parse-timestring "2011-03-31") 1 :day) 21:01:44 is this supposed to cause an infinite loop? 21:02:41 yes. 21:02:56 we carefully build infinite loops into all our libraries 21:03:06 Poonigbyte [~MaukeNig@ip72-207-16-214.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:31 oh, uh, hi dlowe 21:03:35 works for me, incidentally 21:03:45 what timezone are you in? 21:03:50 dlowe: GMT +2 21:04:12 Is that what your actual timezone is set to or just your offset? 21:05:02 there was a bug that's been fixed in the development head on certain time zone files 21:05:45 MikeSeth: what does local-time:*default-timezone* give you on the REPL? 21:05:53 *default-timezone* is # 21:06:08 (now) returns @2012-02-08T23:04:28.783858+02:00 21:06:22 this is a quicklisp version, maybe I should update.. 21:08:12 don't bother. does it for me too 21:08:22 it's a genuine bug then? 21:08:30 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:08:45 -!- rtoyg [chatzilla@nat/google/x-zhecbaemxibvlzdy] has left #lisp 21:08:50 actually, pay no attention to me. *I* had an old version on this machine 21:09:13 Poonigbyte = white supremacist spam bot 21:09:22 -!- m7w [~chatzilla@80.249.86.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:09:26 MikeSeth: devhead works fine 21:09:38 dlowe: updating, then 21:09:50 solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:09:50 *dlowe* should cut another release. 21:10:03 thanks for the library, btw 21:11:25 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:14:34 -!- Poonigbyte [~MaukeNig@ip72-207-16-214.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [K-Lined] 21:16:06 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 21:16:49 -!- shotaboi [shotaboi@sh3lls.ca] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:18:16 shotaboi [shotaboi@sh3lls.ca] has joined #lisp 21:21:12 dlowe: git version still seems to be doing this for me 21:23:35 MikeSeth: I'm looking at it 21:25:11 dlowe: want a stack frame from inside the loop when I interrupt it? 21:25:47 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-187-169.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:00 hm, pastebin is broken 21:26:25 MikeSeth: handler-bind 21:27:11 MikeSeth: no, I've reproduced the problem 21:27:20 pjb: I don't know what that is :) 21:27:30 -!- shotaboi [shotaboi@sh3lls.ca] has quit [K-Lined] 21:27:37 clhs handler-bind 21:27:48 pjb: yeah 21:28:16 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 21:28:43 H4ns: i haven't changed anything that i know of. i've seen several older items show up on the twitter feed. 21:28:52 -!- diginet [~diginet@ppp-69-153-143-53.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:29:12 pjb: it doesn't raise a condition though, it just loops infinitely 21:29:43 pjb: (I am assuming handler-bind is to be used to debug?) 21:30:38 -!- gigamonk` [~user@adsl-99-24-217-187.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:25 MikeSeth: handler-bind let you handle an error from inside the loop, ie you can get the stack frame from inside the loop when you interrupt it if there's a handler bound with handler-bind. 21:31:48 -!- osa1__ [~sinan@31.140.47.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:48 MikeSeth: usually, there's a toplevel handler bound with handler bind to let you debug when you interrupt. 21:32:08 But if you install your own handlers, with handler-case, they may override it. 21:32:16 Environerd [Environerd@strangled.me] has joined #lisp 21:32:23 So for debugging, indeed, you may want to add an inner handler-bind. 21:33:47 francogrex [~user@109.130.73.121] has joined #lisp 21:33:58 ok ok so how do I work with that slime ? 21:34:03 pjb: I see. Thanks. 21:34:14 what's that paredit ? and how do I install it ? 21:34:22 google for it. 21:34:39 (defvar x) (setf x 3) or (defvar x) (set 'x 3) ... what difference? 21:34:41 paul424: just like with *inferior-lisp*, but using *slime-repl-clisp* instead of *inferior-lisp* (slime uses *inferior-lisp*). 21:34:50 francogrex: none. 21:34:53 francogrex: one is old-fashioned 21:34:54 aha 21:34:55 SET is oldish. 21:35:11 ah! 21:35:14 paul424: but slime adds IDE features in the lisp-mode buffers. 21:35:25 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o Xach 21:35:28 -!- Xach has set mode +b *!*nvironerd@strangled.me 21:35:32 -!- Environerd [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has been kicked from #lisp by Xach (Environerd) 21:35:39 francogrex: (setf (symbol-value 'x) 3) works too. 21:36:29 -!- hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: now what?] 21:36:35 ok 21:36:41 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 21:36:44 -!- Xach has set mode -o Xach 21:37:24 diginet [~diginet@ppp-70-246-26-249.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:50 -!- HG` [~HG@dsbg-4db589e6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:37 the thing is if I want to do (setf y 7) there will be complaints because no declaration first, but (set 'y 7) seems acceptable without defining the variable 21:39:01 francogrex: you need to use defvar or defparameter to define global special variables. 21:39:11 kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has joined #lisp 21:39:18 francogrex: you must use *x* not x to name special variablles. 21:39:33 Use (defparameter *x* 7) instead of (setf y 7). 21:39:57 so is (setf (symbol-value 'x) 3) also no need to define first.. 21:40:17 but pjb in case of (set 'y 3) is y a special or a global? 21:40:22 no. 21:40:35 It sets the symbol-value slot of the symbol. Which can be done without declaring the symbol special. 21:40:37 pjb: I ve got major mode : lisp minor mode : slime ... is that what e wanted ?" 21:40:45 how do I evaluate the expression nwo ? 21:41:20 paul424: yes. You also want to add paredit as a minor mode. 21:41:28 what kind of major is comint ? 21:41:39 major mode i mean in emacs ... 21:41:40 (+ 1 2) C-x C-e in the .lisp buffer, or (+ 1 2) RET in the *slime-repl-clisp* buffer. 21:41:51 aha ok ok :D 21:42:02 comint is a major mode, to COMmunicate with an INferior Thread (= process). 21:42:35 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.73.121] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:43:25 aha 21:44:18 comint is used by inferior-lisp which is used by slime. 21:44:32 Did any of you heard of some university department with emacs faculty :D ? 21:45:09 pjb: hi 21:45:24 paul424: most faculty use emacs. 21:45:31 or a lot at least. 21:45:46 -!- diginet [~diginet@ppp-70-246-26-249.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:47:07 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:22 huh http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ParEdit 21:47:31 pjb: this is where we want that emacs ? 21:47:41 Yes. 21:47:41 ohh paredit ... I am tired :D 21:48:22 diginet [~diginet@ppp-70-247-41-243.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #lisp 21:48:48 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 21:49:41 -!- Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-149.dhcp4.washington.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:50:09 pjb: to the emacs.d right ? 21:50:51 karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 21:50:55 paul424: Well, I put stuff likethat either in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp or in my ~/emacs/ directory. 21:51:01 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-187846.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:07 so ok 21:51:24 paul424: The point is that the directory where you put it be in load-path, so that you can then write (require 'paredit) in ~/.emacs 21:51:39 yeah yeah 21:51:40 (require 'cl) (push "~/emacs" load-path) (require 'paredit) for example. 21:53:49 -!- ysph [~user@mobile-166-147-124-046.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:59:32 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:00:52 ok thx GG 22:00:55 -!- paul424 [~chatzilla@91.207.68.2] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/2011122000]] 22:01:32 Phlogistique [~no@neetwork.net] has joined #lisp 22:02:38 -!- Phlogistique [~no@neetwork.net] has left #lisp 22:05:36 -!- fiveop [~fiveop@dslb-094-218-035-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: humhum] 22:08:32 i'm trying to run the sbcl 1.0.55 binary on the latest ubuntu, and it says GLIBC_2.14 not found. am I screwed? 22:08:48 i have libc-2.13.so 22:09:42 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 22:10:34 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:11:13 limetree: Is compiling your own build out of the question? 22:11:17 Let us all praise glibc versioned symbols. 22:12:18 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:12:21 antoszka: not if i have to 22:12:57 maybe i can do it with the previous version 22:12:58 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129.97.120.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:15:28 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.78.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:15:44 it starts, at least, and i guess i don't *need* the latest version. 22:16:13 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.144.162] has quit [Quit: paul0] 22:16:22 limetree: it's pretty easy to build the latest from the previous 22:16:27 limetree: either compile your own, or update to glibc 2.14 22:17:09 Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has joined #lisp 22:17:26 -!- JKiiski [~JKiiski@178.239.193.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:40 -!- solussd [~solussd@rrcs-76-79-44-2.west.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: solussd] 22:19:05 DataLinkDroid [~David@110.140.203.213] has joined #lisp 22:23:52 -!- Frozenlo` [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-182.electronicbox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:23:58 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:25:14 limetree: Compiling SBCL from source is reasonably easy 22:25:17 just takes a while 22:25:53 that's pretty much the reason it exists 22:25:59 might as well try it 22:26:11 -!- superflit [~superflit@71-33-147-93.hlrn.qwest.net] has left #lisp 22:26:13 I still wake up drenched in sweat from dreams of compiling cmucl 22:26:30 dreams? nay, nightmares of the most eldritch, demented sort 22:26:31 Cosman246 [~user@D-173-250-202-149.dhcp4.washington.edu] has joined #lisp 22:26:34 dlowe: did it take longer than SBCL? 22:26:55 Guthur: depends on how many times you had to try 22:27:07 Each night I had the same cmucl dream with slight incremental changes from within. 22:27:07 hehe, oh that bad 22:27:47 well, the only SBCL compile fail i remember was so concurrency contrib test 22:28:00 which probably doesn't even count 22:28:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:28:41 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:30:47 limetree: just follow the compile from source section in the INSTALL file 22:30:50 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 22:30:52 you can't go far wrong 22:31:03 pjb: "08:29:49 cmm: special operators are not primitives, because CLHS allows implementations to implement them as macros (and macros as special operators, and function too, inasmuch as they can be opencoded). So the actual set of primitives depends on the implementation." 22:31:07 and if you do I'm sure it can be sorted here 22:31:09 ^-- I object to the notion that macros and/or special operators can be implemented as functions... At least, not without a change of syntax that's incompatible with the standard. 22:31:14 I also don't think it's very illuminating to say that "special operators are not primitives" just because they don't necessarily have to be in any particular implementation... 22:31:49 Hexstream: I think pjb meant to say the standard permits functions to be implemented as special operators. 22:32:03 Ralith: I... don't think so. Quote? 22:32:46 "...CLHS allows implementations to implement [special operators] as macros (and macros as special operators, and function [as special operators]..." 22:32:53 That makes no sense. You couldn't funcall the function then. 22:33:00 indeed. 22:33:12 nonetheless, I believe that's what pjb meant. 22:33:35 Hexstream: the sections 11.1.2.* are defined so that the compiler may opencode CL functions. 22:34:01 echo-area [~user@123.120.237.28] has joined #lisp 22:34:30 pjb: That doesn't really make the function a "special operator"... 22:35:10 -!- mintsoup [~mintsoup@173-164-33-21-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:35:28 Hexstream: well, there must be a function entry, because of funcall and apply, but when the compiler sees (cl:car x) it can generate move.l x(4),d0 instead of any jsr call. 22:35:36 jsr car 22:36:02 Similarly, macro implemented as special operators must still have a macro definition, so that code walkers and macroexpand work. 22:36:07 Unless you're willing to say that efficient CL implementations tend to treat everything as a special operator... Which is pretty ridiculous. 22:36:34 It's not ridiculous and that's what I'm saying. 22:36:37 Guthur: yeah, it was pretty simple. and it took less than 5 minutes, too. 22:36:53 and again, that's what all the rules in chapter 11 are about. 22:37:00 pjb: You're conflating semantics and implementation/optimizations. 22:37:07 limetree: you obviously have a beefier PC than me 22:37:53 I would like an upgrade, just can't really justify the cost 22:38:29 I was just thinking that compiling SBCL would probably be only meaningful benchmark for a new PC, hehe 22:38:47 Hexstream: it came from the use of the word primitive, which is meaningless in CL. 22:38:47 s/probably be/probably be my 22:38:56 -!- sellout1 is now known as sellout 22:39:06 Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-62.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 22:39:11 mine is over 2 years old, but it was one of the better available at the time 22:39:37 pjb: With your willingness to warp the meaning of everything, then everything is meaningless, true. 22:39:58 Hexstream: what is a special operator? 22:40:15 Guthur: four cores, 3.2 GHz - but does compiling use more than one? 22:40:29 It's an operator that the compiler compiles directly. Since it's allowed by the standard to do the same on macros and on functions, they may all be implemented like special operators. 22:40:31 seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:41:25 pjb: The standard specifies a list of 25 special operators. Implementations are free to implement an operator on that list as a macro, or to implement one of the specified macros as a special operator, as long as a macro-function is also provided. 22:41:44 limetree: well you have 2 more cores and 50% more ghz than myself 22:41:53 not sure on the parallel compilation of SBCL src 22:42:14 Hexstream: yes, and the rules of 11.* say that the same apply to functions too. 22:42:18 to functions in CL. 22:43:02 Making a function inlineable or inlined does not make it a "special operator", even if in a mechanical sense the compiler treats them in similar ways... 22:43:14 Both inlined functions and special operators, I mean. 22:43:22 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:43:55 pjb: Right, they might be "implemented like" special operators. That does not make them "special operators". But anyway. 22:45:16 -!- Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-62.wireless.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 22:45:32 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:46:41 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Quit: funikuli funikulaaa tafra yapma yaa funikuli funikulaa] 22:47:12 Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-5-62.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 22:48:15 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:49:18 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:50:07 hrm, any way to inhibit sbcl's "; loading ..." messages? 22:50:48 Maybe something to do with *LOAD-PRINT* and *LOAD-VERBOSE*. 22:51:11 tensorpudding [~michael@99.56.172.57] has joined #lisp 22:51:18 *sykopomp* uses quicklisp to load systems when he doesn't care to see all that output. 22:51:49 Hexstream: not from what i tried 22:52:24 sykopomp: good point .. it's doing that 22:53:02 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 22:55:36 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:56:44 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 22:56:51 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 22:57:44 yoklov [~yoklov@137.99.243.122] has joined #lisp 22:58:47 wildnux [~wildnux@pool-71-252-145-78.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:01:26 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:08 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:04:47 ah, swank-loader hardcodes :verbose t when loading its fasls 23:06:21 would be nice to be able to control it 23:06:37 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:42 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:07:06 a debug value that got left, perhaps 23:07:29 no 23:07:34 it's intentional and explicit 23:07:38 ah 23:08:25 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:53 *Xach* feels the strength to do a quicklisp update today!! 23:10:52 Go Xach! 23:10:53 -!- tali713 [~tali713@75.72.193.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:52 tali713 [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:23 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:17:31 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:19:07 -!- daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1000:21:baac:6fff:fe99:7ada] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:57 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-039.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:27:26 -!- yaht3e [~nicholasb@74.195.43.20] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:29:43 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-71-227-253-228.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:31:47 Xach: you can do it! 23:34:52 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.23.81] has joined #lisp 23:35:34 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.237.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:23 echo-area [~user@123.120.237.28] has joined #lisp 23:36:59 *Fade* orders the first non-apple notebook computer he's ever owned 23:37:15 gmlk [~gmlk@2001:888:10f4:0:cd87:8132:7e7:ef53] has joined #lisp 23:39:11 -!- JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:19 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:41:22 -!- p_l|backup is now known as p_l 23:41:41 -!- perseus [3f6b8723@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.107.135.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:45:08 -!- saint_cypher [~rjspotter@208.178.63.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:47:44 Why does ((lambda ) ) in the function position is executed correctly, but something returning, say, a closure in a similar position does not work anymore in CL? 23:48:41 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:48:43 -!- gmlk [~gmlk@2001:888:10f4:0:cd87:8132:7e7:ef53] has quit [Quit: Left] 23:48:51 antoszka: the evaluator has that exact form as a special case 23:49:02 it is not a general feature 23:49:06 Right. 23:50:40 Frozenlock [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-182.electronicbox.net] has joined #lisp 23:51:05 Fade: what brand is it then? 23:51:51 Anyway, I am trying to loop over the lines of a file. 23:51:57 daedric [~daedric@2a01:e0b:1000:21:baac:6fff:fe99:7ada] has joined #lisp 23:51:58 I don't understand why this fails: http://paste.lisp.org/+2QGH 23:52:55 # has reached its end 23:53:13 espadrine: have a look at COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.CESARUM.FILE:STRING-LIST-TEXT-FILE-CONTENTS 23:53:28 espadrine: the error message is clear! What word don't you understand? 23:54:17 pjb: I understand the error, but I would think that read-line would set eof to t 23:54:19 espadrine: read clhs read-line ; what are the two values returned by read-line? 23:54:25 espadrine: what eof? 23:54:29 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8124B5.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:54:43 eof is what I set the secondary value of read-line to 23:54:51 espadrine: read again clhs read-line. 23:55:05 What's after "=>" ? 23:55:38 |nix|` [~user@cpe-184-153-8-136.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 23:56:05 *espadrine* reads again 23:56:32 missing-newline-p is "true if the line was terminated by the end of file" 23:56:59 espadrine: yes. Instead of, line was terminated by a newline, followed by end-of-file. 23:57:15 espadrine: this is to detect files that ends without a newline at the end. 23:57:38 espadrine: famously, some early unix tools would ignore such unterminated lines 23:58:03 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-152-100.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 23:58:25 espadrine: the optional parameters eof-error-p eof-value are more useful to deal with end-of-line. 23:59:32 By default, read-line will signal an end-of-file error. You can handle it with handle-case. Or you can set eof-error-p to nil, and give a eof-value that will be returned. Since read-line only returns strings, you can give any non-string value to eof-value so that you can detect end-of-file. The default value NIL is convenient. 23:59:43 notzmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has joined #lisp 23:59:46 Hence: (loop for line = (read-line stream nil) while line collect line)