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There is such a fascinating body of literature surrounding Lisp. Is there a list that links to all of the (good) essays? 03:18:16 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 03:18:41 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-242-32.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:20:27 -!- wbooze [~wbooze@xdsl-78-35-154-182.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:21:13 fe[nl]ix: Looking for me? 03:23:27 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:35 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:23:35 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@pool-72-79-209-191.spfdma.east.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 03:23:35 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 03:24:09 -!- karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:35 amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-242-32.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 03:26:19 Frozenlo` [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:28 Is there a function to "append" 2 binaries in CL? I have 1010 and 1111; I want to have 10101111 03:27:59 Frozenlo`: are those bit vectors? If so, append. 03:28:09 Cosman246 [~user@c-66-235-50-49.sea.wa.customer.broadstripe.net] has joined #lisp 03:28:27 If they're integers, the operation is badly defined: integers have unbounded bitwidth in CL. 03:28:31 -!- wuj [~wuj@207-172-162-191.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:28:53 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-vwlhuonhclacgfru] has joined #lisp 03:29:15 You could concatenate the low k bits, with something like (logior (ash x k) (ldb (byte k 0) y)). 03:31:03 (that, or (setf ldb)) 03:32:04 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 03:32:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@m212-96-64-234.cust.tele2.kz] has joined #lisp 03:32:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@m212-96-64-234.cust.tele2.kz] has quit [Changing host] 03:32:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 03:34:26 Logior and ash look exactly like what I want. I play around a little with them, thanks! 03:34:33 *I'll play 03:35:24 Would `+' do the same thing as the logior in this situation? 03:35:33 Frozenlo`: sure. 03:35:39 Aethaeryn: you'll probably find some links on cliki.net But such organisational structures seem to be rather new around here. or if not, then they seem to have deteriorated in past time. however, i'm sure that if you start making a list of documents you, as a new lisper, find interesting, that many would be glad if you'd placed it somewhere public. like on cliki. 03:36:59 <3 CXML i've been busy parsing that stupid DTD (admittedly i'm ill) for most of the day and it was a big big mess. then that new search engine pointed me towards CXML which i turned out looking at anyways. quicklisp allowed me to give it a spin in just under a minute and it seemed so much easier than i assumed. all my problems are just gone. they're not here anymore. poof 03:38:11 i didn't immediately understand that it would inform me about the DTD's contents. there is an optional argument which isn't mentioned in teh documentation (which is why i didn't look into it further) 03:39:14 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 03:41:54 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-9.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:42:40 RomyRomy [~stickycak@dyn-160-39-33-144.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 03:42:44 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:12 #o allows me to input an octal and returns a decimal in the repl. But how can I convert a decimal to an octal? 03:44:42 I know I can use format, but it makes me feel weird :P 03:45:40 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 03:46:59 -!- RomyRomy [~stickycak@dyn-160-39-33-144.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 03:48:26 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:48:39 Frozenlo`: (let ((*print-base* 8)) (write-to-string number))? 03:49:13 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 03:49:19 Thanks! 03:49:35 Same as (write-to-string number :base 8) I believe. 03:50:28 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-47-246.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:50:29 -!- amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-242-32.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56:43 amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-242-32.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 03:57:21 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 03:58:23 rmathews [~roshan@122.174.14.175] has joined #lisp 03:59:11 kennyd 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:) 05:54:02 (well, not hate) 05:57:06 amaron [~amaron@cable-178-148-242-32.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined #lisp 05:57:31 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:41 -!- echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:39 echo-area [~user@182.92.247.2] has joined #lisp 05:59:55 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 06:01:16 homie: there are a couple glitches in the video file itself 06:01:29 homie: yes i did the sound :) 06:01:57 with lisp ? 06:01:59 heres yesterdays version of the game, not as fast, but with different music :) http://ompldr.org/vY2ptcw/xalcyon-dual-analog.ogv 06:02:20 well the music and samples are pre-recorded ogg/wav files, but the game itself is in lisp. 06:02:24 -!- benny [~benny@i577A77E8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:02:39 teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has joined #lisp 06:02:46 ah ok 06:02:57 https://github.com/dto/xalcyon.blocky/blob/master/xalcyon.lisp homie 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would do either I guess, I can do string replace) 09:56:56 frx: check the : modifier 10:01:33 frx: any success? 10:01:37 -!- frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: Chateando desde http://webchat.redmundial.org (Ping timeout)] 10:02:56 frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has joined #lisp 10:03:13 -!- spacefrogg^ is now known as spacefrogg 10:04:31 jdz yes I got it thanks. (format t "~:d" 1000) 10:04:51 frx: notice also that you can change the character 10:05:08 frx: it's a bit tricky, though (if you have not done it before) 10:07:59 I guessed the syntax. can't seem to find a list of all the format specifiers in CLHS. I'm just jumping from one glossary to another. http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/lw51/CLHS/Body/26_glo_f.htm#format_control 10:08:10 Guthur [~yaaic@212.183.128.234] has joined #lisp 10:08:42 frx: section 22.3.2.2 10:09:07 frx: l1sp.org/cl/22.3.2.2 :) 10:10:48 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:14:54 ivan-kanis [~user@213.11.201.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 10:16:13 james t kirk programmed the format spec while he was relaxing from programming the Kobayashi Maru' 10:16:59 (format nil "~,,'.:d" 1000) => "1.000" 10:17:07 frx: yay! 10:17:18 don't think I"ll be remembering that one. :) 10:17:44 xan_ [~xan@80.174.78.231.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #lisp 10:18:05 frx: well, at least you have learned how to default the args you don't care about and how to specify a character 10:18:19 frx: i guess you'll want to use the padding feature, though 10:18:30 frx: well, more often than the group separator 10:19:10 -!- keltvek 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(if (= 1 (length (images ad))) (htm (:p (:b "Image:"))) (htm (:p (:b "Images:")))) 11:42:09 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [] 11:42:30 frx: use the if within the (:b ) 11:42:39 <|3b|> (htm (:p (:b (if ...))))? 11:42:47 <|3b|> or (htm (:p (:p (fmt ...)))) with whatever format string can check length of an argument to add the #\s or not 11:42:53 oh, I didn't think that would work 11:44:47 jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has joined #lisp 11:45:00 -!- nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:45:29 <|3b|> (htm (:p (:b (fmt "Image~p:" (length (images ad)))))) maybe 11:46:46 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:50:16 zmv [~zmv@186.204.150.191] has joined #lisp 11:50:42 -!- zmv is now known as Guest15312 11:51:16 I am getting empty

with that. I did it like this. (:p (:b (str (if (= 1 (length (images ad))) "Image" "Images:")))) 11:53:37 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@214-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has quit [Quit: Foo.] 11:55:20 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-044.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 11:56:01 -!- BlankVer1e [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:33 Odin- [~sbkhh@214-106-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is] has joined #lisp 11:56:40 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 12:02:01 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:49 -!- ch077179_ [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:23 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:06:39 paul0 [~paul0@189.26.133.178.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 12:07:43 tca [~tca@175.197.210.194.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 12:07:46 hi 12:08:15 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 12:08:25 I've a question... 12:09:19 Ins't json format format designed for human-readable data interchange (I'm quoting 12:09:19 Wikipedia on this :P) it seems very similar to a early lisp implementation? 12:09:58 the environment part, that is. 12:11:25 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129184056.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12:59 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:54 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 12:14:02 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has joined #lisp 12:16:37 tca: indeed, the lisp printer and reader are also designed for human-readable data interchange. THe purpose being obviously to exchange data between a human and a computer. 12:17:05 tca: and indeed, people have been trying to re-invent lisp for 53 years now. 12:17:34 claiming that json is an attempt to reinvent lisp is a little far-fetched. 12:17:48 s/lisp/parts of lisp/ 12:18:09 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:18:22 pjb: but i mean... when working with json I'm always (cdr (assoc item alist))... 12:18:57 well, you're not working with JSON there, you're working with a sexp built from decoding a JSON stream. 12:19:05 So what's your question? 12:19:05 tca: why are you working with alists? that's got nothing to do with json itself, really. 12:20:10 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:21:03 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 12:21:06 I know I'm working wiht sexp... 12:21:58 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 12:22:10 I'm reading some json objects and parsing it to a alist. 12:22:35 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 12:24:28 if I want to get something I just (cdr (assoc item alist)) and get the cdr of the cons pair,this is similar to the (eval sexp env), isn't it? 12:25:04 No, not at all. How do you see any similarity there? 12:25:23 and in Common Lisp, CL:EVAL takes only one argument. 12:26:55 ok, I'm thinking, for instance, in the john mccarthy eval's 12:27:04 -!- varjagg [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:27:32 So what's your question? 12:27:42 all's you're describing is looking up a named field in a data structure 12:28:04 be it a JSON object, a-list, hashtable, whatever 12:28:32 Probably I'm just perplexed about it... 12:28:38 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-177-200.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:49 tca: about what? 12:29:49 about the similarities of looking up a named field in a data structure and looking for the value of an sexp in a environment. 12:29:56 :D 12:30:17 If you mean that there is a form like (cdr (assoc item alist)) in some implementation of eval, it's quite possible and unsurprizing, since (cdr (assoc item alist)) is the expression that allows you to retrieve the value corresponding to a key in a a-list. 12:30:20 in mccarthy's implementation, the environment _is_ just a data structure with named fields 12:30:33 jbiesnecker [~textual@116.237.69.188] has joined #lisp 12:30:40 in modern implementations, the environment is more implicit behind the scenes 12:30:53 tca: in a more abstract way of programming you'd rather write: (dictionary-get table key). 12:31:22 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:31:23 tca: Have you read AIM-8? http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/index.html 12:33:11 ch077179_ [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 12:33:27 Thanks pjb. I'll read it. Cheers. 12:34:03 blandest [~user@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has joined #lisp 12:38:16 pjb: hi 12:38:31 lo 12:38:51 -!- jack_rabbit [~jack_rabb@arh2459.urh.uiuc.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:54 pjb: it's me I'm testing a wheezy installation 12:38:56 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cl-1290.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:07 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:39:54 :-) 12:40:57 -!- tca [~tca@175.197.210.194.in-addr.arpa] has left #lisp 12:44:44 pjb: I've got problem with nvidia and quicklisp 12:45:04 rtoym: yes 12:45:07 why isn't there a ql:update-dist "blah" function in quicklisp ? 12:45:49 pjb: I've got to remove the quicklisp directory because (ql:quickload "gsll") didn't work anymore 12:46:00 i have now clx linked in /usr/share/common-lisp for cmucl, and deleted the clx git version in software dir of quicklisp, trying to rerequest it succeeds but i fear it's not the version i want 12:46:17 tho i used not (require :clx) but (ql:quickload :clx) 12:46:45 there's no clx-date-git dir in my quicklisp dir now 12:46:46 bah 12:47:04 homie: i'd not try to mix common-lisp-controller and quicklisp in any way 12:47:20 kenanb_ [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 12:47:22 there's no common-lisp-controller, i'm not on debian 12:47:43 homie: so what is this /usr/share/common-lisp then? it certainly is not quicklisp's 12:47:51 but i ask myself now it seemingly loads clx however there's no dir in quicklisp named clx 12:47:59 it's not quicklisps no 12:48:01 -!- tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.206.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:48:03 hi, i need to highlight my CL code to use in a wordpress blog post, what is the recommended way? 12:48:17 homie: i think cmucl comes with a clx 12:48:26 rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #lisp 12:48:46 kenanb_: vim has a :TOhtml command 12:48:50 -!- jbiesnecker [~textual@116.237.69.188] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:49:03 flip214: sorry, i don't have vim 12:49:07 perhaps you can use github as a kind of plugin, too? 12:49:12 kenanb_: not yet ;) 12:49:55 this is the 5th year of "yet" :) 12:50:16 where can i get the quicklisp version of clx ? 12:51:08 homie: (ql:quickload :clx) 12:51:12 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 12:51:16 well, github and paste.lisp.org have some highlight things ... 12:51:26 i see 12:51:29 how about just pasting, and then thieving the HTML? 12:51:30 will check it 12:51:53 Guthur [~yaaic@212.183.128.52] has joined #lisp 12:52:30 p_l have you profiled cl-zmq vs raw libzmq 12:52:38 not yet 12:52:55 specifically interested in the throughput 12:53:46 I'm getting less than desirable with my binding at the moment 12:53:54 my current use case doesn't require significant throughput, so... 12:54:11 around 25% drop 12:54:27 -!- Guest15312 is now known as zmv 12:55:18 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:20 latency was reasonable, around 11% overhead of raw lat 12:55:29 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:55:35 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 12:57:10 <|3b|> kenanb_: i think colorize is in ql (paste.lisp.org uses a variant of that) 12:57:57 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.157.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:59:14 -!- EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:59 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:17 kenanb: pigmentize is reasonable.. 13:01:31 pygments, i mean 13:01:42 EarlGray^^ [~mitra@despairing-occident.volia.net] has joined #lisp 13:04:32 -!- quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:04:47 quazimodo [~quazimodo@c122-106-158-42.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 13:04:59 logical variables become difficult with message passing between processes 13:05:18 wrong tag 13:05:19 twopi |3b| thanks, i guess colorize does the job 13:06:31 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 13:09:33 _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has joined #lisp 13:10:10 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has left #lisp 13:10:38 MH696s*! 13:10:46 hkBst: thanks! 13:11:07 tca [~tca@175.197.210.194.in-addr.arpa] has joined #lisp 13:11:47 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:58 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:14:27 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 13:16:21 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 13:17:09 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17:22 -!- tca [~tca@175.197.210.194.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: bye] 13:17:26 and things for :after methods are backwards because ? 13:17:34 it's like unrolling not ? 13:18:22 someone here who knows RCL? 13:19:13 homie: http://pupeno.com/2007/09/06/common-lisp-method-composition/ 13:20:14 homie: before and after are like parentheses. 13:20:23 francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has joined #lisp 13:20:38 thank you! 13:21:20 I was surprised that when I do (maphash #'(lambda (k v) (when k (push (list k v) store))) *table*) and then change the "store" list the original hash table is also changes? 13:21:51 how can I prevent that? 13:22:03 -!- segfault_ [segfault@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-zylodrtsfklntemj] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:22:09 -!- p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-lclnfhffogwhdbof] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:22:25 (defmethod p :before (x) (princ "(")) (defmethod p :after (x) (princ ")")) (defmethod p :before ((x integer)) (princ "[")) (defmethod p :after ((x integer)) (princ "]")) (defmethod p (x) (princ x)) (p 42) prints [(42)] 13:23:03 francogrex: copy k and v. 13:23:06 francogrex: do you change the "store" list, or the contents of the elements? 13:23:10 how do i if foo && bar? 13:23:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:23:20 its been too long since i "lisped" 13:23:23 quazimodo: AND 13:23:23 (if (and foo bar) .. 13:23:29 I change the store cars and cadrs of the store list 13:23:31 ah thank you Xach 13:23:47 I have to copy k and v 13:24:01 just (copy k) ... ? 13:24:11 in the maphash? 13:24:14 Depends on the type of k and v. 13:24:18 Yes. 13:24:27 Or outside. 13:25:01 BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has joined #lisp 13:25:39 p_l|brage [~pl@089-101-208053.ntlworld.ie] has joined #lisp 13:27:12 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.64.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:27 -!- manishYM [~manish@122.167.37.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:32 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.82.78] has joined #lisp 13:27:34 -!- lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-104-181.w92-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:28:07 splittist [53cef461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.206.244.97] has joined #lisp 13:28:14 morning 13:28:33 _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has joined #lisp 13:29:37 ngz [~user@239.242.24.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:29:41 Irfan_A [~irfan_afi@180.246.183.235] has joined #lisp 13:29:48 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 13:31:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:33 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:32:49 -!- ch077179_ [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:57 p_l [plasek@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-jqppgevaozculzvt] has joined #lisp 13:34:50 -!- BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has quit [] 13:34:54 segfault_ [segfault@gateway/shell/rootnode.net/x-xmmqhurxzhuplegf] has joined #lisp 13:35:19 BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has joined #lisp 13:35:21 hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:35 ok it worked to copy-list v etc.. thanks 13:37:48 See, this is why it's bad to mutate data: you have to copy it first, which is costly (multiply memory requirements, spend time on the copy, spend time on garbage collecting it later, etc). 13:38:27 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:38:36 ch077179_ [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has joined #lisp 13:38:53 It's much more efficient just to start with the answer (: 13:40:15 -!- p_l|brage [~pl@089-101-208053.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:41:17 -!- BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has quit [] 13:41:33 BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has joined #lisp 13:42:20 erm, isn't copying a pretty fundamental part of immutable data as well? 13:42:34 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42:44 ok unlinked the global clx asd link now, and restarted sbcl with my previous quicklisp folder deleted.... 13:44:31 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:44:32 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:44:32 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:44:33 anyone tried to combine Lisp with smalltalk via LispKit ? http://www.zogotounga.net/comp/squeak/lispkit.htm 13:46:17 kilon: that's probably a question for #scheme or #smalltalk? 13:46:32 kilon: and what do you mean by "combine"? 13:46:47 jdz: according to the link support cl Lisp-2 13:47:18 well I would like to call lisp code and use cl libraries and emac facilities 13:47:25 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:47:36 from inside Pharo 13:47:36 pnq [~nick@ACA25061.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:47:44 and Squeak 13:48:31 I will ask at #scheme too thanks 13:48:51 i think it's smalltalk/sqeak specific question 13:48:57 squeak even 13:49:04 kilon: From that page, I don't think he implemented a Common Lisp. 13:49:37 «R4RS compliant, at least according to the r4rstest.scm from the SCM distribution» 13:49:49 "CLisp, a Lisp-1 with lexical scoping and special variables like Common Lisp" maybe a partial implementation 13:50:06 Common Lisp is a lisp-2. 13:50:30 yeap you are right, my bad 13:53:42 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.236.227] has joined #lisp 13:53:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:54:05 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 13:55:40 Hi 13:56:26 -!- francogrex [franco@grex.cyberspace.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:56:34 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:57:10 -!- echo-area [~user@123.120.243.93] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:51 -!- kenanb_ [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:59:06 is there a dynamically scoped common-lisp ? 13:59:13 homie: yes. 13:59:29 which one ? 13:59:29 Common Lisp is dynamically scoped. Just declare your variables special. defvar and defparameter do it for you. 13:59:33 All of them! 13:59:43 ah that way ok 14:00:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:00:43 homie: you could shadow defun, defmacro, defmethod, lambda, let and let* to automatically add special declarations for all parameters and variables. 14:01:11 but why would you want to do that? 14:01:22 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:22 to simulate a lisp-1 ? 14:01:30 Yes, why? But I'm not here to ask questions, but to answers them. 14:01:38 homie: dynamic binding has nothing to do with lisp-1. 14:01:46 scheme has no dynamic binding, only lexical binding. 14:01:56 oh ok 14:01:58 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 14:02:02 (of course, one can simulate dynamic binding, there are scheme libraries for that). 14:02:37 eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 14:02:37 -!- eno [~eno@adsl-70-137-133-209.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:02:37 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:03:01 ivenoticed lisp funcitions and vars are named similarly, as in foo-bar-zef 14:03:21 im assuming you tell them apart via usage and intuitionL 14:03:53 uhh, now what ? i got rid of quicklisp folder, unlinked the global clx asd, and restarted lisp, which quicklisp loaded, i don't get the clx library anymore via quicklisp! 14:04:00 usage. In (a a) the first A is a function, the second A is a variable. 14:04:05 quazimodo: where have you noteced that? i have never seen a variable or function named foo-bar-zef 14:04:14 homie you seem to be confusing dynamic scoping with separate namespace for variables and functions 14:04:33 homie: some implementations provide their own clx. 14:04:47 erm, not really, i just heard the name "dynamic scoping" more with names like scheme and emacs maybe that's why 14:05:07 sbcl ? 14:05:10 homie: don't trust everything you read on the interwebs 14:05:15 i talk of sbcl here 14:05:22 homie: What happens when you try? 14:05:31 it does not fetch the clx lib 14:05:33 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 14:05:36 as it did before 14:05:43 Paste it. 14:05:56 Also paste (ql:where-is-system "clx") 14:05:59 erm , paste what ? 14:06:17 oh 14:06:22 homie: Paste a transcript of what you type and what you see. 14:06:27 it reporeted /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clx 14:06:34 Ok, so that is where it gets CLX. 14:06:37 tho it's asd file is not linked 14:06:43 Sounds like something from common-lisp-controller. 14:06:44 qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:07:35 msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has joined #lisp 14:08:03 i don't know, i thought quicklisp does not search that dir 14:08:25 if that libs asd file is not linked in the systems dir there too.... 14:08:40 ok 14:08:59 i don't have a common-lisp-controller 14:09:03 homie: Quicklisp uses ASDF's source registry to find things, too. 14:09:03 i'm not on debian 14:09:18 homie: carefully set up your asdf:*central-registry*. i'd start with not messing with it at all. 14:10:30 ASDF2 might search that directory by default, regardless of asdf:*central-registry*. 14:10:34 *Xach* checks 14:10:58 i remoed clx from that dir and restarted sbcl, now it fetches again 14:11:00 eheh 14:11:03 Yes, it does. 14:11:21 Xach: /usr/share/common-lisp/source/? that's gross. 14:11:45 I'm sure it solved some problem ITA had at some point. 14:13:17 H4ns: why ? 14:13:47 fe[nl]ix: because it is a very arbitrary path 14:14:04 nope 14:14:09 not us. 14:14:21 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:14:34 _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has joined #lisp 14:14:40 H4ns: in what sense ? 14:14:50 well, as i remember formerly quicklisps asdf didn't search there..... 14:15:09 only the systems asdf did 14:15:22 things have changed ? 14:15:41 homie: Quicklisp has always used ASDF2 and I think searching that path has always been in ASDF2. 14:16:04 fe[nl]ix: just in that sense. in my world, common lisp is not very integrated with the host operating system, and at this point, i'm very used to that. 14:16:11 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:16:19 fe[nl]ix: so please accept my apologies if "gross" insulted you. 14:16:41 Right, we should put our libraries (catenated fasl I'd guess) in /usr/lib. 14:16:42 lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-104-181.w92-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:16:48 And name them libclx.fasl 14:16:53 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.236.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:17:19 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:17:40 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:18:14 Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.236.227] has joined #lisp 14:18:29 Actually you could just write an asdf function to do that. 14:18:55 (asdf:oos asdf:load-op :sys) would load /usr/lib/libsys.$FASL 14:19:56 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 14:20:58 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:23:59 -!- Frozenlo` [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27:53 jdz: i see variables like user-string1 14:28:02 just as an ad hoc example 14:29:03 quazimodo: can't we poke some fun at you? 14:29:18 Of course, there are variables named with the same symbol as functions. 14:29:23 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA25061.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 14:30:26 oh you are here too 14:30:28 ubiquitous! 14:30:29 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-044.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:28 Inescapable. 14:31:33 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 14:37:24 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 14:37:35 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:31 theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 14:41:05 Xach: Yesterday you said you added clod. Was that supposed to imply that you added it to quicklisp? 14:41:53 chr: Yes, it will be included in the next dist update. 14:43:20 Xach: OK, thanks. 14:43:35 patterngazer [~patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has joined #lisp 14:43:41 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.239.173] has joined #lisp 14:47:12 -!- TrystamWrk is now known as TristamWrk 14:47:30 Xach: yesterday I wrote an ASD for Zebu. 14:47:35 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-60.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 14:47:35 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 14:47:51 -!- cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:02 What is Zebu? 14:48:20 Perhaps eventually it'll be good enough for inclusion in quicklisp. But more work is needed, and Zebu likes to write files around when generating grammar, which is not too cool. 14:48:38 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 14:48:54 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-60.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 14:48:55 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-60.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 14:48:55 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 14:49:13 cpape [~user@cpape.eu] has joined #lisp 14:51:01 -!- paul0 [~paul0@189.26.133.178.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:51:09 benny [~benny@i577A8D66.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 14:51:41 maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 14:53:08 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.37] has joined #lisp 14:53:54 hmm, replaced my old nvidia card with geforce 210, and my opteron box died after 1 day, showing "hypertransport bus was flooded on last boot" errors 14:54:23 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54:34 Too much lisp! 14:54:44 *maxm-* probably needs to buy a new box, this one is 4 years old.. Is there any company making "ultimate linux box" type workstations? the one I bought this one went under 14:55:09 s/linux/lisp/ 14:55:13 *maxm-* is looking for multicore, 32 gig ram, the works 14:55:26 maxm-: ask Fade 14:55:29 hey, we are the lisp guys, we must know good linux vendors, too. 14:56:19 H4ns: given the significant preference towards SBCL and SBCL having linux as de facto main platform... ;) 14:56:30 *maxm-* 's current box is was made by monarch computers, and these guys were quality 14:56:35 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 14:56:56 maxm-: I think there's a #hardware channel on freenode. 14:57:12 sykopomp: ah cool thanks for suggestion 14:57:38 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:29 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@180.158.245.230] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:02:39 kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 15:03:49 how can i change the decoding in quicklisp 15:03:58 kenanb: Decoding of what? 15:04:09 i have a package in which there are some utf characters 15:04:24 when i try to load the system with ql:quickload i get decoding error 15:04:32 kenanb: What Lisp do you use? 15:04:36 sbcl 15:04:51 maxm-: processor speed hasn't improved much since 4 years 15:04:54 Xach: pardon me for my silly way of asking this 15:05:01 kenanb: The default encoding is controlled by your locale-related environment variables 15:05:04 At startup. 15:05:08 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:05:25 kenanb: For me, my system automatically has something like this: LANG=en_US.utf8 15:05:35 pjb: processor speed hasn't, but system speed has. larger caches, faster sdram does make a noticable difference. 15:05:44 maxm-: I bought a box similar from a local vendor. I usually make them myself, buying components. 15:06:06 kenanb: iirc SLIME doesn't use utf-8 by default, so if you use SLIME you have to set it manually. 15:06:28 H4ns: slightly. I prefer to space increases, so they're more noticable. I went from 3 hours compilations to 5 mn compilations before-last time I upgraded :-) 15:06:31 better IPC too. 15:06:49 Where you may gain, is on consumption. 15:07:04 Xach: oh, thanks. when i run emacs with proper LANG i got no error 15:07:05 Buy a Rapsberry, and run on 4 AA, instead of 450 Watt. :-) 15:07:31 daimrod: i already set slime for utf, i guess the problem was my system default 15:07:33 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has joined #lisp 15:08:13 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:32 bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has joined #lisp 15:12:53 pjb: I have what they call in russia "hands growing out of the ass" 15:13:12 what a country! 15:13:19 anything hardware wise (other then putting a nail in the wall to hang a picture), I manage to screw up 15:13:27 In America, asses grow out of your hands 15:13:52 putting PCI cards in are is my ceiling, building pc wise 15:15:45 -!- kilon [~kvirc@178.59.17.196] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:15:49 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:16:32 ... I just noticed that the last computer I assembled was from 1994 (because I got it... around 2006?) 15:20:34 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 15:20:40 maxm-: anyways to make a box like this http://fastra.ua.ac.be/en/index.html you need to do it yourself 15:22:04 -!- kruft [~user@c-98-214-105-38.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:22:33 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.80.236.227] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 15:22:41 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.37] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 15:23:12 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-210.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:25:21 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-141-9.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:28:55 pjb: less stream-oriented, more generic supercomputer in big tower case was available from one manufacturer... 15:28:58 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-14-16.lns2.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 15:29:44 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:31:38 did it have blue leds, though? 15:32:01 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:32:49 ... those are an abominatio 15:32:53 *abomination 15:33:41 it had 72 MIPS64 cores 15:33:46 kenanb: Do you use Mac OS X? 15:34:00 Xach: nah, arch linux 15:34:32 Xach: i realized i forgot to add my locale info in rc.conf 15:34:50 Ah. There's some additional setup to get the right environment for Emacs in Mac OS X when it's launched from something other than the terminal. 15:34:53 kenanb: iirc it's in locale.conf now. 15:35:49 daimrod: hmm, i'll test the current configuration, if it doesn't work, i'll search for locale.conf 15:36:32 so what is the proper way of documenting a function? 15:36:52 should i define the inputs and outputs as a block comment? 15:37:09 kenanb: There is no single proper way to document a function. 15:37:34 kenanb: I recommend reading the source of a lot of Lisp stuff to get an idea for what people generally do. Also read the user (developer) documentation for libraries. 15:37:57 Xach: https://github.com/kenanb/twitgraph/blob/master/twitgraph.lisp 15:38:18 i don't have CS education, so i didn't know what to do 15:38:21 that fastra guy is a textbook nerd. 15:38:26 i just wrote what the function does :) 15:39:57 about good coding convention, what systems do you recommend to read? cl-ppcre? 15:40:00 kenanb: If you put the info in docstrings, some tools can help users browse it. 15:40:10 daimrod: cl-ppcre is really interesting to read, I highly recommend it. 15:40:56 kenanb: I would put what you have there in docstrings. 15:40:58 Ok, thanks. 15:41:41 Xach: you mean like this? (defun foo () "hi there" nil) 15:42:40 paul0 [~paul0@177.16.149.185] has joined #lisp 15:42:44 kenanb: Yes. and (defvar *foo* nil "Hi there") 15:44:09 Xach: ok, will do that. I guess it is better to not enter new-lines in the docstring so that documentation tools could organize it in their own way, right? 15:44:11 -!- splittist [53cef461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.206.244.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:45:31 faust45_ [~faust45@94-248-48-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 15:45:39 kenanb: I don't think that matters much. 15:45:43 -!- faust45 [~faust45@94-248-48-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:45:43 -!- faust45_ is now known as faust45 15:45:59 ah, ok then 15:46:02 kenanb: I wrap my docstrings at column 75 or so, but don't usually have a lot of other line breaks. 15:46:16 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:54 osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has joined #lisp 15:48:16 -!- sunmix [~user@171.4.118.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:48:41 -!- msponge [~msponge@18.189.103.48] has quit [Quit: msponge] 15:50:55 -!- ahinki [~chatzilla@212.99.10.150] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0/20120123235200]] 15:52:29 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 15:53:16 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 15:55:33 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 15:56:11 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Client Quit] 15:56:47 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has joined #lisp 15:59:08 -!- osa1 [~sinan@78.189.172.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:01:09 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:22 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:01:25 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:01:45 -!- gensym [~timo@fw-office.allied-internet.ag] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:01 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:41 msponge [~msponge@30-7-244.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has joined #lisp 16:03:50 -!- msponge [~msponge@30-7-244.wireless.csail.mit.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:51 "Hi there" doesn't look like a docstring :-) 16:03:55 -!- kpal [~kpal@janus-nat-128-240-225-120.ncl.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04:10 (defun foo () "hi there" nil) --> /me why the unused string? 16:04:26 foo doesn't look like a function name either 16:04:32 :-) 16:06:00 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:16 *sykopomp* has been eyeing Sphinx as a possible target for experimenting with nice-looking automatic doc generation. 16:06:29 is it a crime to use Another Language as a tool? ;) 16:06:30 mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 16:07:01 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has left #lisp 16:07:10 we could even piggyback on http://rtfd.org that way. 16:07:13 jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has joined #lisp 16:07:39 -!- blandest [~user@ip4-85-204-33-242.euroweb.ro] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:08:35 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:05 n1tn4tsn0k [~moo@188.19.232.85] has joined #lisp 16:09:16 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:09:58 pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has joined #lisp 16:10:11 theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 16:10:28 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:42 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:11:15 -!- pnathan [~Adium@75.87.254.38] has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:42 mintsoup [~mintsoup@173-164-33-21-colorado.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:20 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 16:13:26 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:54 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:14:40 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-210.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:15:00 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-032.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15:18 -!- Buglouse [~Buglouse@cpe-65-28-172-255.wi.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:15:21 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:16:49 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:18:02 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-210.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:18:11 Siphonblast [~Siphonbla@c-98-210-95-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:18:19 ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has joined #lisp 16:18:55 -!- Irfan_A [~irfan_afi@180.246.183.235] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 16:19:06 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@c-3c90e255.56-4-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 16:19:17 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:20:01 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:02 Irfan_A [~irfan_afi@180.246.183.235] has joined #lisp 16:20:19 -!- Irfan_A [~irfan_afi@180.246.183.235] has left #lisp 16:20:36 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:21:13 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-186-210.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 16:21:22 sunmix [~user@171.4.47.28] has joined #lisp 16:22:15 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 16:22:17 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:23:16 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:23:48 marcelino [~marcelino@81.180.210.105] has joined #lisp 16:24:00 -!- marcelino [~marcelino@81.180.210.105] has left #lisp 16:25:02 wth, i get colored output witch cmucl's clx, but not with clx from sbcl it seems 16:25:25 and there's no bool-xor in the latter too 16:25:31 only bool-c2 16:25:40 hmmmm 16:26:29 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:26:49 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27:17 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 16:27:20 milanj [~milanj_@93-86-58-225.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 16:28:16 hmm, the telent clx seems buggy 16:28:31 it's background does not set to black in qix 16:28:41 Xach: on clisp, one cannot load iolib, while it works well eg. on ccl: *** - Error while trying to load definition for system iolib from pathname /home/pjb/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/software/iolib-0.7.3/src/iolib.asd: Component "iolib.base" not found 16:28:50 Xach: however, iolib should work on clisp /me puzzled. 16:29:35 pjb: What did you evaluate that ended with that error? 16:29:48 (ql:quickload :iolib) 16:30:24 (ql:quickload :iolib.base) works well. 16:30:28 I'm afraid I can't reproduce it. When (ql:quickload :iolib) it runs to completion. 16:30:40 and after that, (ql:quickload :iolib) too. 16:30:43 Strange. 16:30:45 *Xach* scratches head 16:31:33 pjb: can you try removing any *.cdb files in ~/quicklisp/dists/quicklisp/? 16:31:38 And restarting? 16:31:54 my asdf:*central-registry* contains (#P"/home/pjb/src/pjb/lse-cl/src/" #P"/home/pjb/src/pjb/lse-cl/dependencies/zebu-3.5.5-pjb/" #P"/data/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/cl-posix/cliki/"  #P"/data/lisp/packages/com/informatimago/tools/" #P"/home/pjb/quicklisp/quicklisp/") 16:32:03 pjb: I don't test on clisp any more, only sbcl and ccl 16:32:04  being other subdirectories of /data/lisp/packages/com/informatimago. 16:32:25 Ok, don't worry, I'll load iolib.base separately as a temporary workaround. 16:33:23 Xach: what's a "zenhabit lifehacking maker hackers"? Or were you being ironic? 16:33:36 pjb: that was just a friendly notice. I also won't accept bug reports for clisp, only patches if not too invasive 16:34:41 gigamonkey: If you have to ask... 16:35:01 -!- hkBst [~marijn@gentoo/developer/hkbst] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:35:17 -!- lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-104-181.w92-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:35:51 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 16:35:54 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:42 rme [~rme@50.43.152.6] has joined #lisp 16:36:46 I don't remember the details but I seem to recall hearing from my friend at O'Reilly that the folks who wrote the original life hacks book had a really hard time meeting their deadlines. 16:37:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:37:08 ASau` [~user@95-27-175-50.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 16:37:48 lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-104-181.w92-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:38:08 *Xach* lisphacks instead 16:38:18 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:39:06 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-401898.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:39:07 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Quit: füniküli fünikülaaa tafra yapma yaa füniküli fünikülaa] 16:39:09 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:40:09 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:54 -!- ASau [~user@95-26-213-211.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:41:22 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-49.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has joined #lisp 16:41:23 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@gray-49.dynamic2.rpi.edu] has quit [Changing host] 16:41:23 TristamWrk [~tristamwr@bodhilinux/team/Tristam] has joined #lisp 16:42:17 nialo [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:58 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host172.190-229-76.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 16:43:17 -!- nialo- [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:43:21 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:01 http://pastie.org/3296745 hellooo 16:45:07 i don't get this 16:45:58 antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-avzsgibgitayzenk] has joined #lisp 16:46:38 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-401898.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:47:03 -!- sunmix [~user@171.4.47.28] has left #lisp 16:47:24 and this is needed too http://pastie.org/3296764 16:48:21 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [] 16:48:23 i have an sbcl-1.0.50 version linux-amd64 on x86_64 slack 13.37 16:48:31 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-408849.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 16:49:42 hmm, maybe i should try a 32 bit version of sbcl on x86_64..... 16:49:55 cause cmucl is only 32bit actually..... 16:50:01 Kazinator [~kaz@S0106687f7426d0eb.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 16:52:30 -!- ch077179_ [~ch077179@unaffiliated/ch077179] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:53:05 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 16:53:31 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 16:53:53 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has quit [Quit: Offline] 16:54:44 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 16:55:44 -!- ltaoist [~mo@183.20.102.30] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56:22 jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 16:59:36 -!- kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:42 The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:00:43 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 17:00:43 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:01:48 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.177.71] has joined #lisp 17:02:12 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:02:26 -!- ramkrsna [ramkrsna@unaffiliated/ramkrsna] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:34 -!- frx [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:03:12 kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 17:03:36 Xach: you were right, after the system-wise locale setting, there is no decoding error 17:03:38 thanks 17:04:08 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:04:18 yay, license inquiry sent to Franz 17:05:05 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:05:13 bleh. CL code faster than FFTW (with the default planner), but nothing publication-worthy that I can see. 17:05:44 -!- Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:51 -!- simplechat_ [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:52 pkhuong: if you're vaguely thinking ELS, don't set the bar too high 17:07:02 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@office.pov.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:07:56 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:08:01 krystof are you hoping to go this year 17:08:31 to els 17:08:39 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:29 hoping 17:11:14 goldenlight [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-eaatszsvkiaarrbm] has joined #lisp 17:11:48 it is a little out of the way 17:12:15 would be nice see Croatia though 17:12:36 -!- goldenlight [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-eaatszsvkiaarrbm] has quit [Client Quit] 17:12:43 *Xach* wishes one of these european meetings could be held in Saint Pierre and Miquelon 17:13:12 -!- Blkt [~user@89-96-199-46.ip13.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:32 Or even in Tahiti. 17:13:50 Too far for me 17:14:15 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:18 Right there: http://castleonthehill.com/beachvolleyball/tahiti.htm 17:14:31 Xach: How about French Guiana? 17:14:43 and maybe the International one could in Dublin 17:15:09 Look, Saint Pierre and Miquelon are right around the corner for me! I am not interested in other, more remote, parts of Europe. 17:15:11 Belfast would really convenient though 17:15:18 Guthur: for you! 17:15:31 Guthur: Flak jackets included in fee? 17:15:40 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:15:51 Although I'm told tanks are hardly ever seen in the streets anymore. 17:16:00 Xach: I'm pretty sure the flights are more expensive than to go to most of eastern europe though ;) 17:16:09 Odin- bring your own I'm afraid 17:16:12 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host172.190-229-76.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:16:48 Belfast is a tourist place now 17:17:08 vs. http://www.larousse.fr/encyclopedie/data/images/1006715.jpg (Saint Pierre et Miquelon). 17:17:10 *Odin-* would be interested in going there, actually. 17:17:42 -!- vantage|work [~chatzilla@d5152EDDB.static.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 17:18:00 goldenlight [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-fmwtsuaopfebdyno] has joined #lisp 17:19:44 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has joined #lisp 17:23:07 TDT [~user@bouncer.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 17:24:13 Hey all. I'm forgetting the function..I'm pretty sure one exists. Lets say I have a list of elements, and there are duplicates by some key. Lets take an example of '(1 2 1 1 5), and I want to "find" all the elements with a 1, and return a list of them. e.g. '(1 1 1) would be returned. I can loop and collect, but is there a built in function that does this...and yeah this example is oversimplified 17:24:21 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:28 TDT: (remove 1 list :test-not 'eql) perhaps 17:26:50 Xach: I'll look into that option, thanks. 17:27:18 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:27:59 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 17:28:04 -!- spacefrogg is now known as spacefrogg^ 17:28:41 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:28:55 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 17:28:56 SegFaultAX|work [~mkbernard@173.228.45.162] has joined #lisp 17:29:34 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host247.190-31-129.telecom.net.ar] has joined #lisp 17:30:41 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:32:08 -!- TDT [~user@bouncer.eng.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:33:45 TDT [~user@bouncer.eng.uiowa.edu] has joined #lisp 17:34:42 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:20 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:50 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 17:41:13 jdz [~jdz@host162-57-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 17:41:37 TDT: (remove 1 list :test-not 'eql :key 'some-field) even. 17:41:44 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:41:55 -!- seangrove [~user@c-71-202-126-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:57 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:42:22 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:44:02 teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has joined #lisp 17:44:11 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:47:21 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-204-107.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 17:49:41 -!- Guthur [~yaaic@212.183.128.52] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 17:51:20 osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has joined #lisp 17:52:10 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.239.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:52:46 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.177.71] has quit [Quit: Offline] 17:56:56 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58:15 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has joined #lisp 17:58:42 lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129093237.mbb.telenor.dk] has joined #lisp 17:58:59 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:25 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has joined #lisp 17:59:42 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:56 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has joined #lisp 18:00:35 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:01:49 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:55 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.177.71] has joined #lisp 18:02:14 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:16 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:02:35 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has joined #lisp 18:03:46 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:18 vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has joined #lisp 18:04:35 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@109.131.69.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:31 vantage|home [~vantage@12.204-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #lisp 18:05:34 -!- pspace [~andrew@76.241.86.82] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:08:12 Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:08:34 -!- bjonnh [~bjonnh@147.210.71.83] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:07 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 18:09:25 Guthur [~user@212.183.128.52] has joined #lisp 18:10:05 konr [~user@189-69-20-8.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #lisp 18:10:13 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:11:11 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:12 -!- lnostdal [~Lars@212.79-161-132.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12:37 Do you remember what project was sponsored by the CL community some months ago? It was done through a crowdfunding site, iirc. 18:13:00 konr: SBCL multithreading 18:13:06 ...stuff 18:13:09 konr: nikodemus's SBCL threading improvements 18:13:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:13:24 Guthur, Xach: thanks! 18:13:29 konr: nikodemus sponsored his work on SBCL's threading + a new threading library (madeira?) that could replace bordeaux threads in the future, iirc 18:13:45 what's wrong with bordeaux-threads? 18:14:10 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:14:15 -!- The_third_bug [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:14:21 daimrod: the greatest common denominator isn't that great. 18:14:52 is madeira going to be an SBCL contrib 18:14:59 or a portable system 18:15:55 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:16:16 but if madeira wants to replace bordeaux-threads, it's going to be the GCD anyway or am I missing something? 18:18:14 daimrod: afaik it was supposed to be a more capable interface, that exposed access to newer, powerful APIs like the (nikodemus-improved ;)) SBCL concurrency stuff, and which could for example provide a common api between SBCL and LW (and I think ACL 9.x will have similar scope in threading apis) 18:18:33 a portability layer can decide to ignore implementations with too few primitives and put pressure on maintainers... Or we can always fake things with hidden mutexes. 18:18:40 -!- EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:19:24 or return an error, possibly changed into a mutex or nop depending on the user of library... 18:20:01 when is :argument-precedence-order of defgeneric useful? 18:20:14 when left to right doesn't work well. 18:20:16 Ok, thanks for the explanation. 18:20:24 Joreji_ [~thomas@u-0-021.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:20:30 -!- Joreji [~thomas@66-060.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:21:39 pkhuong: if it was (defmethod frob ( foobar (foo (bar)) ...) 18:21:47 is that better as right to left? 18:22:00 oh sorry missed a paren 18:23:08 osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has joined #lisp 18:23:12 Is that a valid method lambda list? 18:23:27 sykopomp: nope 18:23:37 I missed a parenthesis 18:23:42 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 18:23:54 should be (defmethod frob (foobar (foo (bar))) ...) 18:23:58 do you have a class called (bar)? 18:24:08 -!- TDT [~user@bouncer.eng.uiowa.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:24:25 sykopomp: in this hypothetical situation I do 18:24:56 Guthur: I thought you were asking about common lisp! 18:25:40 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-204-107.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:25:43 A bugger, really wrong 18:25:46 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-049-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:25:55 not sure where my head was there 18:26:13 I'm eating a bar of chocolate at the same time, that's my excuse 18:26:13 Probably Saint Pierre and Miquelon 18:26:15 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:26:39 (defmethod frob (foobar (foo bar)) ...) 18:27:04 Guthur: it depends on what frob is. 18:27:19 personally, i've never seen :argument-precedence-order used, ever. 18:27:21 sykopomp: in what way? 18:27:42 I tried it, it performed worse 18:28:21 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has joined #lisp 18:28:33 EyesIsServer [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has joined #lisp 18:33:27 -!- Joreji_ [~thomas@u-0-021.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:33:27 BlastHardcheese [chris@pdpc/supporter/active/blasthardcheese] has joined #lisp 18:33:41 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:35:07 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-020.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 18:37:36 vairav [~vairav@209.49.23.82] has joined #lisp 18:38:32 -!- lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-104-181.w92-160.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:40:02 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.21.156.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:08 puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:43:55 theBlack1ragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:26 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.158.68.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:44:30 -!- theBlack1ragon is now known as theBlackDragon 18:46:20 -!- konr [~user@189-69-20-8.dsl.telesp.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:46:49 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:48:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-020.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:48:13 kruft [~user@c-98-214-105-38.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:18 -!- saint_cypher [~rjspotter@c-76-126-70-224.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:48:27 mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has joined #lisp 18:48:29 -!- c_arenz [arenz@nat/ibm/x-gchichcmathdddxd] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:48:49 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 18:49:34 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483A8F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:50:29 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-049-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:50:35 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.177.71] has quit [Quit: Offline] 18:56:23 -!- qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:07 qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:58:00 pspace [~andrew@csu-137-148-234-85.csuohio.edu] has joined #lisp 18:58:04 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:58:52 Yuuhi [benni@p5483A8F3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:59:44 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02:12 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-018.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 19:05:02 rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has joined #lisp 19:05:31 if i request documentation for a function that is not exported, i get undefined function error, is that the intended behavior? 19:06:11 i mean (documentation #'foo-package::bar) doesn't work 19:07:04 in fact even if i call documentation after inpackaging the foo-package,nothing changes 19:07:26 -!- pspace [~andrew@csu-137-148-234-85.csuohio.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:30 pspace [~andrew@69.54.63.114] has joined #lisp 19:08:02 kenanb: DOCUMENTATION takes two arguments. 19:08:18 Younder [~john@186.200.34.95.customer.cdi.no] has joined #lisp 19:14:06 it sounds as if you are doing something else wrong, though 19:14:11 are you sure your symbol names a function? 19:14:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:15:03 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 19:18:31 Xach: yeah i forgot to add the 'function part while writing here 19:18:49 but i used it while writing to repl 19:20:29 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@213.11.201.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:20:48 decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has joined #lisp 19:22:00 kenanb: What did you really write, then? 19:24:18 Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 19:24:38 (documentation #'twitgraph::edge-list 'function) 19:24:39 sykopomp: "09:32:04 personally, i've never seen :argument-precedence-order used, ever." <-- Well, DOCUMENTATION uses it. ;P But it's true that :argument-precedence-order is rarely useful. However I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea that it exists... 19:24:57 (documentation #'twitgraph::edge-list t would also work.) 19:25:08 Oops, well without the dot. 19:25:13 I never said it's a bad idea, did I? 19:25:18 kenanb: Is there a function named TWITGRAPH::EDGE-LIST? 19:25:35 sykopomp: No, but at some point I thought it was a bad idea. 19:25:46 Don't be so paranoid. ;P 19:25:55 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 19:25:56 there is a edge-list function defined in twitgraph package 19:26:42 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:43 kenanb: what error message do you get? 19:26:50 Ok, actually: (documentation #'twitgraph::edge-list t) would work if there indeed is such a function, otherwise (documentation 'twitgraph::edge-list 'function) would work unless there isn't a twitgraph package. 19:26:51 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~moo@188.19.232.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:41 Xach: ah, pardon me, it is my mistake 19:28:16 am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has joined #lisp 19:28:26 Xach: it seems i forgot to remove whe old version of the twitgraph package, there was some functions in it that i renamed 19:28:42 phew 19:29:18 edge-list is one of them, it shows in slime completions, but i can't find the old package files 19:29:46 does slime cache symbol names somewhere for fast completion? 19:29:54 maxm-- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has joined #lisp 19:30:37 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:21 -!- Hexstream [~hexstream@modemcable019.12-178-173.mc.videotron.ca] has left #lisp 19:33:09 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:33:49 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:35:40 -!- goldenlight [goldenligh@gateway/shell/devio.us/x-fmwtsuaopfebdyno] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:35:44 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:53 -!- zmv is now known as nottheiponyourwh 19:39:05 -!- nottheiponyourwh is now known as nottheiponurwhoi 19:39:24 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:39:31 -!- nottheiponurwhoi is now known as zmv 19:42:54 *Xach* wonders if he's found a use for (:method-combination append) 19:44:34 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.213.162] has joined #lisp 19:45:33 So the main point of Lisp is recursion? 19:45:51 Aethaeryn: nope 19:46:34 but recursion looks cool in lisp :) 19:46:42 So the main point of a limited subset of Lisp that they teach in universities is recursion? 19:46:55 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-408849.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:19 Aethaeryn: You'll have to ask the university. 19:47:29 It seems like the vast majority of resources for "Lisp" on Google seem to be academic. 19:47:34 it's used to teach self-interpretation here. 19:47:38 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-224.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:08 hydo [~hydo@c-98-232-33-73.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:48:29 pkhuong: "here" meaning "at your university" 19:48:37 *Xach* got confused and thought #lisp at first 19:48:51 ah, right (: 19:49:57 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-188704.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 19:51:00 *Xach* wishes again for a QL-wide structured code search so he can find (:method-combination append) use 19:51:51 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 19:52:22 Xach: all you need to do is implement it :-) 19:52:40 *Xach* will leave that to bobbysmith007 19:54:25 Aethaeryn: Which is funny, because the CL spec doesn't even require TCO :) 19:54:47 osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has joined #lisp 19:54:54 nor is it a particularly natural or accepted way of solving most problems in CL that require iteration of some sort, ime. 19:55:24 someone told me today that "in Lisp, everything is a list, like everything is a table in Lua" 19:55:52 I learn the most interesting things about CL when I talk to other people. 19:56:07 The table part is fun in Lua. 19:56:18 In my experience people who don't know anything about CL don't mean CL when they write "Lisp" 19:56:26 And they don't have much of an idea about Lisp either. 19:56:44 they were talking about Common Lisp in this case, and referred to it as such during the convo. 19:57:01 I also learned that Lispers only like macros because they're afraid of parsing. 19:57:21 Xach: It's not hard. Lisp is that recursive LISt Processing language with all the parens. ;-) 19:57:48 I like print and read because I'm afraid of parsing. 19:58:00 -!- qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:58:12 qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 19:58:53 I think parsing of well structured programming languages has been a 'solved problem' since the early 60s. We shouldn't spend another letter in ascii on it. 19:59:05 it's a done deal. solved. no longer a problem. 19:59:18 so, if you can achieve that with parens, fine. 19:59:30 if it's with curlies - no better. 19:59:51 ehu: depends. Tracking location information nicely to have useful errors and diagnostics is apparently still a challenge. 20:00:22 {defun frob [] {print ~Hello, world!~}} Do I know clojure yet? 20:00:27 pkhuong: is that because we're unable to solve the problem, or because we're reinventing the wheel? 20:00:31 *Xach* remembers that came up in Shivers' "Anatomy of a Loop" talk. "Well, I do need to improve the error reporting." 20:00:43 sykopomp: System.out.println ;-) 20:01:09 oh sorry, yes 20:01:48 (. System out println "hello world") 20:01:51 ehu: I believe it's a fundamental issue with our standard generative grammar -oriented toolset. 20:01:56 is that how it's written? 20:01:57 *Odin-* never did bother learning Java. 20:02:08 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02:10 {def!? Frob [] {#\!123System.out.println[{arg1:~Hello world~}]}} updated my clojure code. 20:02:24 :D 20:02:26 Qworkescence: see my sample code 20:02:30 -!- antgreen [user@nat/redhat/x-avzsgibgitayzenk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:30 sykopomp: It looks equally foolish when some dipshit joins and says (greetings (lispers (lol)))))) 20:02:51 yes, but the difference is that's readable. 20:03:07 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-204-107.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 20:03:20 Is anyone else bothered by the imbalanced parentheses? 20:03:25 Xach, Yeah it should really be (say 'greetings :to-group (get-group :lispers) :with-expression 'lol) 20:03:50 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 20:03:57 Aethaeryn: no. we use software to keep them matched. 20:04:13 no, I mean... 20:04:15 15:02:30 < Xach> sykopomp: It looks equally foolish when some dipshit joins and says (greetings (lispers (lol)))))) 20:04:16 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-155-194-9.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:25 ^ The parens. 20:04:27 They're wrong. 20:04:43 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-169-80-215.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:04:46 Aethaeryn: the final parens are intended to be smiley parens 20:04:52 :o 20:04:55 prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013e1a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 20:05:07 Aethaeryn, you must not realize that Xach has made a reader macro which ignores #\) 20:05:11 russians don't use :). They use ) by itself. 20:05:18 Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has joined #lisp 20:05:23 -!- schmx [~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:25 hi 20:05:37 Qworkescence: it used to be that way! Old LISPs let you stack as many parens as you wanted at the end of the expression. 20:05:53 :o 20:06:09 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-88-26.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:12 this was regularly done to avoid having to count matches. I want to say I saw this in the LISP1.5 manual, but I can't remember specifically. 20:06:16 plus, it's a common dig at Lisp to use )))))))) to indicate insane levels of nesting or whatever 20:06:18 So emacs's "Mismatched parentheses" warning is unnecessary? 20:06:25 well, truth to be told, there exist still all sorts of lisps with weird habits. That one sounds innocuous. 20:06:32 we're talking *old* LISP, though, not CL. 20:07:00 Yes, but if you didn't have editors to tell you about this, then you would've kept it the same, right? 20:07:35 I don't know. I've never really tried to code CL without an editor. 20:08:02 sykopomp: I use a 9-volt battery and a steady hand. 20:08:04 Phoodus: actually, )))))))))))))))))) was just a trick to reduce the number of turn arround when editing lisp program on 029. 20:08:30 Only one or two closing parentheses were really needed usually. 20:08:45 Then hadn't an interactive emacs to check their parentheses at the time. 20:09:04 They were inventing the language in which to write emacs! 20:09:40 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@129-97-120-69.uwaterloo.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:09:41 and writing lisp in an editor that doesn't help you is bad 20:09:42 yeah, it was the "break" card 20:09:46 I'd love to see those python programmer punching their programs on 029! 20:10:05 pjb: imagine all the spaces typed :D 20:10:05 wasn't there also some lisp that used ] to indicate "close all open parens"? 20:10:18 (a (b (c (d (e] 20:11:38 Aethaeryn: do you have an interest in Common Lisp? 20:12:37 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-018.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:12:56 Phoodus: that's actually pretty cool. 20:13:04 Xach: yes. 20:13:08 Phoodus: Interlisp 20:14:16 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-029.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:18:42 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:19:35 tibaza [~user@c25-ravpn.inflow.pa.bo.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:19:53 -!- tibaza [~user@c25-ravpn.inflow.pa.bo.comcast.net] has left #lisp 20:20:40 *p_l* feels that it might be important... 20:20:55 If things go my way, expect at least one fresh newbie here 20:21:27 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 20:21:31 saint_cypher [~rjspotter@208.178.63.106] has joined #lisp 20:21:44 *p_l* currently hopes that Franz will be nice to his license inquiry 20:22:12 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-049-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 20:22:32 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:24 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:46 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 20:24:09 p_l: what are you up to? 20:24:10 p_l: doing a bulk license of some sort? 20:24:25 p_l: I'v recruited two newbies, but afaict, the don't show up here 20:25:37 Phoodus: asked (begged?) for 6 licenses for ACL student active till summer vacations + AllegroGraph 4... for free, cause our budget is between most-negative-fixnum and 0 20:26:19 is AllegroGraph the triple store? 20:26:29 yes 20:26:48 oh right, AllegroCache was the object database 20:26:48 Express edition fails to compile cl-zeromq :P 20:27:02 Blkt [~user@82.84.158.49] has joined #lisp 20:27:17 Phoodus: AllegroCache is the object persistence, and AGraph is on top of it, yes 20:27:30 oh, I didn't know one was on top of the other 20:27:46 allegrocache was very slow when we tried it 20:28:10 (years ago) 20:28:26 So were all computers 20:28:50 Phoodus: well, we don't need super-duper speed, but we would like to have arbitrarily weird queries on objects that have different sets of attributes, thus idea of using RDF 20:28:54 I mean in comparison with Postgres 20:31:27 -!- pspace [~andrew@69.54.63.114] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:38:08 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-029.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:39:43 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:40:10 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-027.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 20:41:23 p_l: is there no free solution available to you 20:42:02 instead of using ACL 20:43:03 -!- Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-204-107.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:43:06 -!- osa1 [~sinan@88.241.140.107] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:43:17 Guthur: there are possible solutions, however AGraph looks the nicest 20:44:35 Ralith [~ralith@static-209-139-204-107.gtcust.grouptelecom.net] has joined #lisp 20:46:21 -!- sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:50:43 Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.22.37] has joined #lisp 20:51:26 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-049-228.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:52:11 ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 20:53:07 -!- patterngazer [~patternga@globulon.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 20:53:41 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:54:30 Frozenlock [~user@216.113.73.34] has joined #lisp 20:54:36 rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-93-134.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has joined #lisp 20:59:39 sysop_fb [~fb@108-66-160-34.lightspeed.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 21:00:27 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:00:50 -!- am0c [~am0c@124.49.51.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:06:19 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:28 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 21:07:59 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.149.185] has quit [Quit: paul0] 21:08:57 Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 21:09:18 -!- kenanb [5e36ede3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.54.237.227] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:14:03 Seraphim2150 [9869156d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.105.21.109] has joined #lisp 21:14:11 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:14:24 Hi guys, any chance of some help for a newbie? 21:14:48 seraphim2150: quicklisp is the answer :P 21:15:10 Quicklisp? 21:15:25 -!- Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:15:28 Seraphim2150: www.quicklisp.org 21:15:44 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:50 Illiux [~nol@lt-resnet-wireless-71-91.net.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 21:16:34 -!- BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:50 Seraphim2150: what do you need help with? 21:17:32 quicklisp must have solved it 21:17:42 So I'm working through a set problem (UVA 10120) and we have some code to go through a breadth search. here is our code so far 21:17:53 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 21:17:54 (defvar *currentRock* 9) 21:18:08 no sorry won't do that :-( 21:18:08 Seraphim2150: Use lisppaste 21:18:45 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-241-131.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:18:52 -!- Joreji [~thomas@u-0-027.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:19:50 -!- BuffaloBuffalo [~BuffaloBu@158-147-137-27.harris.com] has quit [] 21:20:30 now to something totally different. Any comments on this? http://common-lisp.net/~mmommer/didaduda/ (hint: it got dropdown menues) 21:21:03 Seraphim2150: ...or use any paste thing you are used to 21:21:26 Sorry, tried lisp paste and it failed 21:21:31 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-224-117.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21:35 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:21:51 Seraphim2150: in which way? 21:22:05 It's right here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/127446. 21:22:22 oh ok sorry - new to this 21:22:31 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 21:22:36 prxq: nice 21:22:54 Seraphim2150: lisp paste's irc half is currently AWOL, hence the wonkiness. 21:22:58 Any way, we run that with two numbers as the input and then its spits out this error "Error: attempt to take the length of a non-sequence" 21:23:01 ah ok 21:23:27 end of the error it says a number that increases each time we run it 21:23:37 ehu: what do you think? (of the menues in http://common-lisp.net/~mmommer/didaduda/) 21:23:49 Seraphim2150: this is indened all wrong, making it near unreadable, and breadth-first is missing. 21:24:07 Seraphim2150: I'd say it needs a) more complete code b) proper indentation c) STACKTRACE 21:24:11 prxq: much better! 21:24:18 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.235.212] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:24:43 I hate JS menus 21:25:20 fe[nl]ix: why? 21:25:32 fe[nl]ix: it's not JS... at least doesn't seem to be 21:25:56 Breadth-Search is a function given to us already 21:26:02 BixSqrl [~Bix@c-50-131-212-17.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:26:12 takes in starting point, target point and a LMG 21:26:24 Seraphim2150: it wasn't given to us. 21:26:25 paul0 [~paul0@177.16.149.185] has joined #lisp 21:26:47 also, we need the error message with stacktrace... 21:27:38 ehu: they appear and disappear on mouse hover and are unusable with a keyboard 21:27:45 Seraphim2150: http://imgur.com/jacoj 21:27:59 fe[nl]ix: these are css menues, unless you are on IE 21:28:20 IE7 or less, if I understand this correctly 21:28:45 prxq: they don't work from keyboard, though 21:30:29 -!- Seraphim2150 [9869156d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.152.105.21.109] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:33:43 prxq: if I had a touchpad-only laptop, I'd hate such menus too 21:35:22 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:35:59 -!- paul0 [~paul0@177.16.149.185] has quit [Quit: paul0] 21:36:43 krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:40:02 p_l: like the menues on this site? http://www.mathjax.org/ 21:40:16 p_l: it seems to me that css menues do not work with keyboard 21:41:11 unfortunately not 21:41:12 -!- ignas_ [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:41:54 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:41:55 as I said, if I still had a laptop with touchpad instead of trackpoint, I'd hate it :D 21:42:45 -!- jdz [~jdz@host162-57-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:42:50 well, I have a laptop with touchpad, and 've been with it on the mathjax site a couple of times. I hadn't even noticed that they do not work with a keyboard 21:43:31 DataLinkDroid [~David@123.208.28.125] has joined #lisp 21:46:10 -!- neena [~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:46:16 neena [~neena@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 21:46:41 -!- faust45 [~faust45@94-248-48-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:46:51 faust45 [~faust45@94-248-48-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has joined #lisp 21:47:44 rvirding [~chatzilla@c213-89-147-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 21:48:52 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #lisp 21:53:03 hefner [~hefner@c-69-255-57-56.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:54:05 phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:54:05 -!- phax [~phax@cpc14-haye17-2-0-cust110.haye.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:54:05 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 21:56:17 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@hotspot8.rywasoft.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:42 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.31.44] has joined #lisp 21:57:25 -!- Aethaeryn [~Michael@wesnoth/umc-dev/developer/aethaeryn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:57:39 -!- Frozenlock [~user@216.113.73.34] has quit [Quit: Going home!] 21:57:53 -!- asvil [~filonenko@178.124.160.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:59:03 -!- sipo [~user@static-72-74-85-37.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 21:59:05 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@78-28-93-134.cdma.dyn.kou.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:59:22 ehu: around? 22:00:39 -!- macrobat_ is now known as macrobat 22:00:57 karswell_ [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 22:02:54 do you use (proclaim '(sb-ext:always-bound)) or (declaim (sb-ext:always-bound)) ? 22:04:20 -!- ngz [~user@239.242.24.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:05:58 tensorpudding [~michael@99.148.206.187] has joined #lisp 22:06:50 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-102-3.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 22:07:00 -!- jjkola_work [c064748e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.100.116.142] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:53 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-188704.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:58 -!- krake [~krake@pC19F7E14.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye.] 22:08:08 -!- vantage|home [~vantage@12.204-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:08:09 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:15 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:10:55 gah, every call to (setf foreign-slot-value) calls PARSE-TYPE (which makes a new hash table) 22:10:56 aib [kvirc@unaffiliated/aib42] has joined #lisp 22:11:24 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:13:06 oGMo: not if the compiler macro inlines it 22:13:12 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:19 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:14:52 oGMo: one usually gets that if DEBUG is too high and compiler macros are inhibited 22:15:16 i have speed 1, debug 2 22:15:25 shouldn't be inhibited afair 22:18:10 -!- faust45 [~faust45@94-248-48-175.dynamic.peoplenet.ua] has quit [Quit: faust45] 22:20:51 -!- mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:09 mathrick__ [~mathrick@85.218.148.156] has joined #lisp 22:26:36 if a variable wasn't special when a function is defined in the interpreter, but is declared special afterwards, should the interpreter start to treat it as such? 22:27:03 (defun foo (l) ) (defvar l) 22:29:44 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:31:09 ehu: iiuc no. the l in foo "continues" to be lexical. At defvar time it doesn't really exist as 'l' anymore. 22:32:20 yeah if the compiler macro is invoked, it's rare, assuming it will get invoked inside a define-setf-expander 22:33:04 i use foreign-slot-value all the time with constant type _and_ slot, and always a function call 22:33:19 rgrau_` [~user@99.Red-83-43-155.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 22:33:34 prxq: hmm. I do really agree with that. Wonder how to make the ABCL interpreter think about it the same way: since it doesn't replace the actual symbol, it doesn't know the symbol wasn't special when the function was defined. 22:34:20 the compiler does this correctly: it simply rewrites the parse tree in such a way that the actual symbol disappears. 22:34:29 but the compiler doesn't... 22:34:34 interpreter. 22:35:24 interesting question. 22:35:27 ehu: undefined, iirc. 22:35:29 I'll sleep on it. 22:35:35 undefined. ah. 22:35:39 that's great! 22:35:50 in that case, I'm allowed to fail this use case. 22:36:16 I'll just have to tell the Maxima group to change the name of the local. 22:36:16 I'm not sure about that: part of the point of CL was that the interpreter and compiler should behave identically. 22:36:51 at least, it is nice when they only differ in speed. 22:37:55 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:25 right. but my interpreter directly interprets the parse-tree. which means that it finds a symbol and checks if it's special or not. 22:38:52 I'm afraid I'd consider that a bug. 22:38:52 rme: erh, no? The interpreter is allowed to expand macros multiple times, for example. 22:38:55 but if it's declared special in arrears, it starts behaving differently. 22:41:36 if you have a nice big codebase, you could wreak a lot of havoc by doing (defvar x nil) 22:42:56 *sykopomp* 's havok-wreaker of choice is (push nil *features*) 22:43:06 ehu` [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 22:43:15 sorry. connection got dropped. 22:43:22 francogrex [~user@109.130.72.22] has joined #lisp 22:43:22 sykopomp: that's ok. You'd have to push :nil. 22:43:28 -!- francogrex [~user@109.130.72.22] has left #lisp 22:43:48 pkhuong: oh. Hee :) 22:44:09 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 22:44:29 sykopomp: still - good one :-) although at least you'd have to recompile/reload the sensitive parts 22:45:03 *ehu`* missed sykopomp's remark 22:45:09 just put it in your init file. 22:45:16 *sykopomp* 's havok-wreaker of choice is (push nil *features*) 22:45:18 ^ 22:45:27 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:45:30 -!- dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:55 -!- puchacz [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:46:21 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@host247.190-31-129.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:46:46 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d013e1a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:46:48 hehe. right. but that doesn't really answer my question. I feel for pkhuong's argument that you're allowed to expand multiple times. But I'm not sure that is meant to have any effect on the treatment of a variable which was originally lexically scoped. 22:47:00 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has joined #lisp 22:47:11 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:48:05 the hyperspec says special variables must be declared in the compilation environment 22:48:39 right. but that doesn't have any effect on the interpreter. 22:49:03 right, but it means the behavior differing isn't incorrect afaict 22:49:08 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@89.41.212.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:49:14 pkhuong: My point is that a the semantics of a conforming CL program should be the same way whether interpreted or compiled. 22:49:39 -!- Illiux [~nol@lt-resnet-wireless-71-91.net.pitt.edu] has quit [Quit: Illiux] 22:49:50 oGMo: ah. thanks for the clarification 22:49:53 rme: but that's not the case. After minimal compilation, you'd have a stronger case. 22:50:28 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:50:40 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-183-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 22:53:01 3.2.2.3 looks like it says that a program for which there is a different is non-conforming. 22:53:07 *there is a difference 22:54:21 hmm. but then I need to 'freeze' the state of all specials at the moment the function is defined. 22:54:39 and restore back to that state every time the function interpretation is started. 22:54:44 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.180] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:04 ehu`: I don't believe that's the case. 22:55:37 ok. so what do you believe is the intent of the quoted section then? 22:55:44 see 3.1.2.1.1.2, 3.1 ("Evaluation can be understood in terms of a model in which an interpreter recursively traverses a form performing each step of the computation as it goes. This model, which describes the semantics of Common Lisp programs, is described in Section 3.1.2 (The Evaluation Model).") 22:56:24 ehu`: that section is about compiled programs 22:57:42 ah. but then you could argue that the compiled program should retroactively consider the variable special? 22:58:03 but the interpreter works correctly? 22:58:15 ehu`: no, that section says that if it matters for a compiled program, the program is non-conforming. 22:58:37 ah. ok. the *program* is non-conforming. 22:58:43 not the implementatino. 22:58:46 tation 22:58:48 get it now. 22:58:54 thanks! 22:59:01 *ehu`* needs sleep 22:59:03 later! 22:59:09 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.31.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:05 kleppari_ [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 23:02:50 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:03:25 -!- ehu` [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:04:22 -!- qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: qelsi] 23:07:09 Jovlang [~user@36.109-247-16.customer.lyse.net] has joined #lisp 23:07:51 hi, how do i (func arg1 arg2 arg3) with 1 and 2 extracted from a list? 23:08:39 Jovlang: you extract the elements you want from a list. 23:09:25 maybe i wasn't clear 23:10:30 the 2 solutions i've found are (eval `(func ,@(getthem) arg3)) and (let ((v (getthem))) (func (car v) (cadr v) arg3)) 23:11:12 Phoodus [~foo@68.107.217.139] has joined #lisp 23:11:13 neither of which are esthetically pleasing 23:11:20 Jovlang: i'd use #'first and #'second in that case 23:11:27 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-183-99.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:30 where does arg3 come from? 23:11:38 -!- rpg [~rpg@216.243.156.16.real-time.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:11:42 I don't see the problem with the second one. The first is obviously wrong. 23:11:55 arg3 is constant, arg1 and arg2 come from a list returned by a function 23:11:59 maybe you'll find destructuring-bind more pleasing. 23:12:26 Jovlang: or alexandria:rcurry, you may like that better: (apply (rcurry #'func arg3) (getthem)) ; assuming getthem doesn't have extra elements. 23:12:57 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 23:13:01 Swatting a fly with a chainsaw 23:13:19 Xach: Isn't that what chainsaws are for? 23:13:20 most satisfying feeling ever. 23:13:34 Xach: it's a matter of style. chainsaws have style. 23:14:40 pnq [~nick@ACA208E9.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:15:23 Jovlang: along the lines of your first one is also (apply #'func `(,@(getthem) ,arg3)) 23:15:26 I think 23:15:48 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002129093237.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:52 ugh 23:16:01 :D 23:16:18 Illiux [~nol@cl-wireless-pittnet-150-212-22-220.wireless.pitt.edu] has joined #lisp 23:17:02 i think how acceptable a solution is will depend on the semantic meaning of each of the variables involved. #'first and #'second don't feel all too bad though. 23:17:05 (destructuring-bind (a b) (getthem) (func a b arg3)) 23:18:21 I'm currently learning lisp and so the hyperspec is still somewhat opaque to me. Could someone explain "labels" to me? 23:18:38 Illiux: it is a way to define local functions that can reference each other. 23:18:55 FLET defines local functions too, but they cannot reference each other. 23:18:59 Illiux: think of local function definitions. it's much like a let* binding for variables, but this time around for functions. 23:19:11 Illiux: The relation of labels to flet is similar to the relation of let* to let if you get those. 23:19:41 Except different. 23:19:47 I actually haven't seen let* come up, though I can grok the idea that labels is let for functions 23:20:25 Illiux: No, labels is let* for functions (except different as Xach says, though I can't remember what's different). 23:20:40 antoszka: forward references are allowed in labels 23:20:45 labels is what would be named flet* in a consisent naming convention 23:20:46 Ah, right. 23:20:47 Whats the difference between let* and let? 23:20:48 antoszka: let* doesn't let earlier definitions see later ones. 23:20:48 self-reference, too. 23:20:52 Jovlang: not really. 23:20:54 Jovlang: no. 23:21:12 Illiux: let* is sequential, let is parallel. 23:21:16 Or maybe if by consistency, you mean that foo* is consistently like foo, except arbitrarily different. 23:21:23 and labels is omniscience 23:21:39 omniscient* 23:22:02 Illiux: (let ((a 1)) (let ((a 2) (b a))) b) => 1 (let ((a 1)) (let* ((a 2) (b a)) b) => 2 23:22:48 madnificent: thanks 23:24:33 I think I got it. Though I have another question now that probably doesn't have as definite of an answer: why have both flet and labels? It seems like labels could work everywhere flet does except in easily avoidable cases where you happen to be reusing names between local functions? 23:24:50 -!- Blkt [~user@82.84.158.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:10 you usually use let* if you want to access previously declared variable. for example (let* ((normal "asdf") (upper (string-upcase normal)). with let that wouldn't compile 23:27:02 Illiux: a lot of things are redundant; heck, with lambda, funcall and setf, we don't event need FLET or LABELS. It's also useful to have both when we're interested in writing programs. 23:27:02 Illiux: A) when you use flet, you know you don't have to look for cross-references (as a human). this makes the code easier to understand. B) yes, we could live without flet, but we can also live with it. and in some --rare-- cases it's a nice thing to have. so why not? 23:27:21 qelsi [~qelsi@190.Red-79-156-39.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 23:28:07 gniourf_gniourf [~Gniourf@2a01:e35:2433:3b90:222:41ff:fe23:8d8e] has joined #lisp 23:28:23 I suppose thats enough justification for me. Also, want to say I'm loving lisp so far, its blowing my mind at a steady rate. 23:28:42 i do find the naming a tad odd as it doesn't correspond to let and let*. that would've made it a bit nicer. 23:28:59 Illiux: then you're learning it right, i guess :) 23:29:20 rpg [~rpg@mail.shirtikvah.net] has joined #lisp 23:29:36 madnificent: as has been mentioned, they're not really equivalent constructs. 23:29:45 Maybe LABELS should be called FLET**, though. 23:30:10 or maybe FLET*** (one star for forward-references, one star for backwards-references, one star for self-references) 23:30:16 -!- Jovlang [~user@36.109-247-16.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:25 sykopomp: not equivalent, yet similar nonetheless. something with flet and a modifier symbol would've made sense for me 23:30:32 sykopomp: LoL 23:30:39 As a newcomer, I can say that I like flet as a name more than labels, flet at least expands to function-let. Dunno where "labels" came from. 23:31:30 maybe it's reminiscent of a GOTO-like construct. 23:31:30 *Odin-* noticed that LABEL is used for naming functions according to the LISP 1.5 manual... 23:31:40 or that 23:31:42 the thing with function* is that it just says, this is like function, but different in some way. in that sense i don't see why flet* wouldn't be a suitable name. 23:31:54 madnificent: FLET*** 23:31:57 do it 23:31:58 Odin-: i was wondering where i first saw it, it must've been there 23:32:02 sykopomp: *flet* 23:32:14 *fl*et* 23:32:16 sykopomp: suck it bitch, i'm going to define flet* and use it right now! 23:32:20 ;) 23:32:24 madnificent: don't get nasty! 23:32:45 madnificent: You could go all the way and define both 23:32:51 *sykopomp* is looking forward to some lisp hax tonight, after a long break. 23:32:59 -!- decaf [~mehmet@unaffiliated/decaf] has quit [Quit: füniküli fünikülaaa tafra yapma ya füniküli fünikülaa] 23:33:05 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:14 literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has joined #lisp 23:33:52 Illiux: no, i just find flet*** to be a dull name. and i'm not going to use flet* outside of a single one-of-a-time rum 23:33:55 s/rum/run/ 23:35:09 -!- Sbidicuda [~antani@host188-225-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:22 yay, i'm off to do even less useful stuff now 23:37:08 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-8-151-190.as43234.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37:15 -!- Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:37:18 oh, does anyone know of a description of what isn't xml-compatible in html5, aside from the new data-* attribute names 23:37:27 Bucciarati [~buccia@www.inscatolati.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:06 TDT [~user@75-175-222-89.cdrr.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 23:38:50 Hey all, for anyone using quicklisp (newest version), and has rfc2388 installed, does the newest version of this library work for you? 23:39:08 https://gist.github.com/a52447c0d6b2aa55df5c -- this is what I'm getting upon trying to load the library 23:39:20 I haven't tried reinstalling yet, going to do that next 23:39:50 TDT: what's your LOCALE? 23:40:29 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@99.Red-88-11-28.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 23:41:31 declare -x LANG="en_US.UTF-8" 23:41:49 Which I think is the default for OSX, will verify that 23:42:10 yeah, must be, I'm not overriding it that I can tell 23:43:36 a reinstall didn't help for this library. I didn't have the issue with previous versions 23:44:35 the library is fine; it's your environment. 23:47:39 Joreji [~thomas@u-0-025.vpn.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 23:48:22 (setf sb-impl::*default-external-format* :utf-8) is one option. 23:50:21 although, maybe we should have a script to trim accents in comments. 23:50:47 pkhuong: where did he say he was using sbcl? 23:50:50 TDT: are you using emacs? 23:50:56 madnificent: SB-SYS 23:51:04 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 23:51:10 TDT: i mean, did you start emacs by clicking an icon or something similar? 23:51:35 ah right, i see it now too. i had automatically focussed on the :ASCII key 23:52:56 *Xach* eagerly awaits TDT's response!! 23:53:49 -!- stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54:09 Xach: By clicking on it, sorry, was afk a bit 23:54:33 TDT: what do you get from M-x getenv LANG 23:55:44 Odd, no match. 23:55:48 As in it's not defined. 23:56:01 OK! 23:56:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/127447 is what I use 23:56:45 when searching for a bug, discovering an issue suddenly becomes a good thing 23:56:52 in ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist 23:57:00 from the command line, env is set,and the require works 23:57:03 oops, of course you don't need the PATH stuff 23:58:09 -!- rpg [~rpg@mail.shirtikvah.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:59:24 stepnem [~stepnem@176.119.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #lisp