00:00:17 local-time 00:00:30 But not for arbitrary dates... 00:00:45 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-61-74.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 00:00:53 for what range? 00:00:55 of dates 00:01:13 it will probably be enough. I'll check it out 00:02:42 mlkith: from 1900-01-01. 00:03:12 ok thanks 00:04:12 Karl_H [~Karl_H@f048172070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 00:04:59 mlkith: for the day of the week, you can use the built-in decode-universal-time. 00:05:12 but yes, 1900-01-01 limit 00:07:16 NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:08:04 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-231-253.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:08:13 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl13-208-204.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:08:36 pferor`` [~user@215.233.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 00:09:24 aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 00:10:25 -!- pferor` [~user@122.Red-2-137-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:53 -!- nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:29 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:13:41 nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:19:50 pnq [~nick@172.129.3.31] has joined #lisp 00:19:53 local-time seemed good until I found this. I'd really prefer if the library was portable, as the rest of my program is. "Caveats: This implementation assumes that time zone information is stored in the tzfile format. The default timezone is loaded from /etc/localtime. On non-POSIX systems, this will certainly give different results than the system time handling." 00:20:17 pjb: what do you mean not for arbitrary dates? 00:20:23 huangho [~vitor@189.27.249.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 00:20:33 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128026074.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:39 dlowe it won't work for dates older than 1900-01-01 00:20:47 dlowe: 2000 years ago, the notion of week didn't even exist in most of the civilized world. 00:21:03 it'd be nice if people would give the occasional bug report 00:22:02 pjb: It did in 1899 00:23:23 aliasxerog: not everywhere. 00:24:08 in a worst case you could just run cal and grep the result for the day of week 00:24:53 That doesn't work on non unix systems though 00:25:23 there should be a word for the way my head reared back when you said that 00:25:32 taken aback I guess 00:25:34 That said, the week cycle is more stable than calendars (it didn't change or offset when we switched to Julian or Gregorian calendars). 00:25:56 -!- ZabaQ [~Zaba@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:12 do it on unix and provide it as a service to other platforms 00:27:06 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 00:28:00 -!- nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:12 the week cycle does fail for pre-western chinese dates 00:28:25 nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:28:26 Yes. 00:28:44 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:29:04 depends on what you mean by fail 00:29:27 I don't know any library that deals correctly with date, ie. that takes into account the various dimensions, time, space, political influence, etc. 00:29:28 i mean they didn't have the 7 day week cycle 00:29:44 The Gregorian calendar didn't exist five hundred years ago, but that doesn't mean you can't specify a unique date in it 00:30:01 dlowe: yep, but it'd be rather meaningless. 00:30:11 gregorian and julian are pretty close 00:30:13 pjb: only in certain contexts 00:30:21 compared to chinese for example 00:30:51 actually, from my own testing, the day of week is completely busted in local-time 00:31:42 your locale is just messed up 00:32:24 -!- jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:39 -!- nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:12 nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:33:19 I wrote local-time and I say it's busted 00:33:36 ah, wasn't clear you meant a lisp lib 00:34:24 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.2.151] has joined #lisp 00:34:52 mlkith: it's portable in the sense that the local-time library will give consistent results regardless of platform 00:35:43 I've been reading about time on wikipedia. this shit is complicated if you want to get out of the western world (aka europe and it's current and former colonies) 00:36:31 making it portable is equally as bad too 00:37:05 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-61-74.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 00:37:07 oh, day-of-week is fine 00:37:25 it's timestamp parsing that's busted 00:37:57 no, that's fine too. I'm just an idiot 00:40:03 xpololz [~xpol@50.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has joined #lisp 00:40:26 pjb: I don't see any day of week errors pre-1900 00:40:32 pjb: do you have a test case? 00:40:33 dlowe I meant that it's a bit inconvenient that one has to manually set timezone on non-POSIX systems. (get-univeral-time) gets timezone from OS settings 00:40:55 mlkith: get-universal-time doesn't use a timezone 00:41:23 flo200 [flo200@host-92-25-114-185.as13285.net] has joined #lisp 00:41:28 -!- pokes is now known as UtilitarianBooge 00:41:47 mlkith: decode-universal-time does, though :D 00:41:47 kennyd_ [~kennyd@78-1-137-101.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:42:12 -!- UtilitarianBooge is now known as pokes 00:42:40 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-63-87.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:43:00 time wants to be now 00:44:51 or in the electronic computer age anyway 00:45:06 dlowe: even for date between 1900 and 1926, you can get wrong results. 00:45:13 pjb: do you have a test case? 00:45:39 dlowe: So if you want to compute the day of the week of 1910-01-01 in Constantinople, you'll get it wrong. 00:45:45 -!- mlkith [~mlkith@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)] 00:45:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar 00:46:09 pjb: test. case. 00:46:14 Noctifer [~Noctifer@wrzb-4d005aa7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 00:46:20 dlowe: day of the week of 1910-01-01 in Constantinople? 00:46:22 wasnt it istanbul in 1910? 00:46:38 Make it Istanbul if you want. 00:46:50 Actually, it may make a difference indeed. :-) 00:46:52 pjb: so what was the day of the week? 00:47:05 Not the one returned by CL or local-time. 00:47:39 There's 13 days difference in calendars, so the day of the week will be off-by-1. 00:47:56 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:48:00 *JuanDaugherty* will be surprised if it's not Tuesday. 00:48:03 For 1899, it would be off-by-2. 00:48:37 *Saturday 00:48:46 the thought of calendars makes me shiver. it's so important for computers to grok it, and it's so badly designed. 00:49:20 perhaps i should look at it as an examplary piece of what happens when things aren't designed in a well-structured manner. 00:49:21 yeah they are 00:49:26 pjb: since the local-time HEAD explicitly only supports the Gregorian calendar, it's not wrong. 00:49:42 pjb: you are merely attempting to break the contract 00:50:13 It's wrong because in Istanbul on 1910-10-10, the Gregorian calandar WAS NOT used. So you cannot apply CL or local-time to that date in that place. 00:50:25 pjb: sure you can. 00:50:37 allowing local jurisdiction to set the time standard makes no sense in the past 00:50:44 dlowe: that's my point: the contract is too restrictive for applications (eg. computing the age of one's grand father). 00:51:01 pjb: some applications 00:51:05 JuanDaugherty: what do you mean? That's what was done. 00:51:32 yes, but the computer reporting of it is another matter 00:51:39 anyway, I have a local version that supports multiple calendars 00:51:57 dlowe: some applications right, excluding Albania, Latvia, Lithuania,Bulgaria, Russia, Estonia, Romania, Yugoslavia, USSR, Greece and Turkey. 00:52:02 if a machine can compose the algorithm to find the local jurisdiction time standard that would be ok 00:52:10 s/can/could/ 00:52:43 JuanDaugherty: yes, that's my point. A good time library should take into account those parameters, of place and political influence. 00:52:56 pjb: so I take patches. 00:53:03 :-) 00:53:14 pjb: if it bothers you that much, feel free to put up or shut up 00:53:19 I soon as I finish my time machine, I'll provide the required patches. 00:53:31 It bothers me, it's only a question of time. 00:53:55 keep using universal time without decoding it, then 00:54:14 we can still have nice internal representations 00:54:41 There's already some stuff in https://gitorious.org/com-informatimago/com-informatimago/blobs/master/common-lisp/cesarum/date.lisp but that's quite inadequate and insufficient. 00:55:32 whatever. I shouldn't let myself be baited 00:55:41 *dlowe* goes back to hacking 00:57:43 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@122x221x184x68.ap122.ftth.ucom.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 00:57:44 -!- Karl_H [~Karl_H@f048172070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #lisp 00:58:29 -!- xpololz [~xpol@50.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:02:31 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-171-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:32 -!- flo200 [flo200@host-92-25-114-185.as13285.net] has quit [] 01:10:26 -!- Noctifer [~Noctifer@wrzb-4d005aa7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 3.6.24/20111107173218]] 01:13:24 mlkith2 [~mlkith@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 01:18:23 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 01:24:11 -!- aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPad - http://colloquy.mobi] 01:26:12 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 01:28:49 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:29 -!- Guthur` [~user@host86-148-186-247.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:26 ravster [~user@184.175.28.107] has joined #lisp 01:37:29 Hello all 01:38:40 hello 01:38:41 seangrove [~user@68-113-62-237.dhcp.rdng.ca.charter.com] has joined #lisp 01:42:50 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-150-63.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 01:42:50 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-150-63.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:42:50 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 01:43:14 -!- csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:45:29 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:23 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 01:50:04 _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has joined #lisp 01:52:28 wadexing [~wadexing@219.234.141.122] has joined #lisp 01:56:45 what should I use to create nickname for a package? 01:57:33 defpackage or rename-package. The former the better. 01:58:49 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.72.40.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:43 it's not my package though, so I guess I have to rename. unless there's some other way 02:00:59 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:01:31 Yes, rename-package. I use COM.INFORMATIMAGO.COMMON-LISP.CESARUM.PACKAGE:ADD-NICKNAME. 02:02:35 A strict reading of the clhs says that you cannot (rename-package "P1" "P1" nicknames), you have to (progn (rename-package "P1" "TEMP" nicknames) (rename-package "TEMP" "P1" nicknames))... 02:02:50 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:03:06 I see. is that actually a problem in practice? 02:03:50 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp121-45-88-67.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:04:25 mlkith2: I'm prudent, I use my add-nickname that does the right thing :-) 02:04:33 ok :) 02:04:39 thanks 02:05:26 -!- ISF__ [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 02:06:05 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 02:06:29 -!- naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:04 -!- pnq [~nick@172.129.3.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:09:49 -!- ravster [~user@184.175.28.107] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:17:26 pjb: what about collisions? 02:20:25 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-102-93.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:20:26 Indeed. 02:21:02 There are :steal and :force options to add-nickname. 02:22:35 pjb: collisions on the temporary, I mean. 02:24:22 Well, actually the double-rename is not implemented yet (*^.^*). The temp would have to be choosen like with gentemp so that it doesn't name a package. 02:27:31 -!- chenbing [~user@60.186.111.197] has left #lisp 02:27:35 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-102-93.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 02:27:40 chenbing [~user@60.186.111.197] has joined #lisp 02:35:37 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:36:32 xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:44 Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B01A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 02:39:17 -!- Yuuhi` [benni@p5483AF95.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:39:58 Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has joined #lisp 02:42:14 pjb: how do you guarantee that? 02:42:21 spearalot [~spearalot@c83-248-111-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 02:42:53 replore [~replore@203.152.213.161.static.zoot.jp] has joined #lisp 02:44:26 Not in the presence of threads, but: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126704 02:44:37 (if you have threads, lock around add-nickname). 02:45:02 pnq [~nick@AC8342FD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 02:48:40 -!- nialo`` [~nialo@66-87-7-54.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:38 nialo`` [~nialo@ool-182d5684.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:08 ah, of course. 03:03:57 -!- seangrove [~user@68-113-62-237.dhcp.rdng.ca.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:04:56 -!- davazp [~user@89.100.226.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:20 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 03:14:26 -!- madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:15:23 CaucusMan [CaucusMan@crystal.meth.lab.im] has joined #lisp 03:19:48 -!- X-Scale [email@2001:5c0:1400:b::b793] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20:18 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@c83-248-111-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 03:22:38 heidymadia [~saasten@fm-ip-61.247.42.167.fast.net.id] has joined #lisp 03:25:28 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vqzggiosnomzpvgs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:29 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-juwfcrhubfxcxrdz] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 03:26:44 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.130.170] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:46 spearalot [~spearalot@c83-248-111-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 03:32:00 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-180-132.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 03:34:07 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-148-213.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:36:43 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:38:54 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 03:39:29 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@116.228.89.171] has left #lisp 03:41:13 -!- CaucusMan [CaucusMan@crystal.meth.lab.im] has quit [K-Lined] 03:41:15 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:42:49 -!- linmin_ [~linmin@180.168.30.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:43:14 linmin_ [~linmin@180.168.30.174] has joined #lisp 03:44:31 I have a file like this for a simple script that doesn't need asdf system. (ql:quickload :system) (system::some-func) 03:44:49 -!- huangho [~vitor@189.27.249.224.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46:06 this works if I do sbcl --load script.lisp. but it does not work if I open the file and do slime-compile-and-load-file. I'm getting name does not designate any package error 03:46:38 what's up with that? 03:46:53 huangho [~vitor@189.27.241.25.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #lisp 03:47:34 (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (ql:quickload :system)) (system::some-func) 03:47:48 Compiling a function call will never define a package! 03:48:33 why isn't that needed when I do sbcl --load ? 03:48:47 Because when loading a file, each expression is evaluated. 03:49:09 slime-compile-and-load-file calls compile-file first. That's when you get the error. 03:49:46 okay. this seems to work too by the way. (eval-when (:compile-toplevel) (ql:quickload ..... )) 03:50:23 ok I see it doesn't when I load it. 03:50:53 -!- huangho [~vitor@189.27.241.25.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:08 -!- cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51:41 -!- zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:52:14 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 03:54:08 is it possible to quiet all the echos from quickload. I did :verbose nil and I'm still getting some output 03:55:12 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6245765/suppress-loading-output-in-quicklisp 03:55:12 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-171-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:51 But it's old, perhaps he added the way to do it by now. 03:56:47 pferor``` [~user@122.Red-2-137-179.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 03:57:42 madrik [~user@122.168.37.238] has joined #lisp 03:58:20 -!- pferor`` [~user@215.233.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:16 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@149-84-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:00:46 lemoinem [~swoog@205.233.82.102] has joined #lisp 04:06:41 ok why am I getting error for (load-system :some-system)? it's a simple macro, it shouldn't happen. 04:07:53 Stuff happens. 04:08:24 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126705 04:08:52 i'll paste error in annotation 04:09:17 pasted 04:09:55 The error is unrelated to your macro. 04:10:19 Now of course, since you threw away the messages, you can't know what happened. 04:10:45 Perhaps instead of using a /dev/null, you could store the message into a string stream, and dump it back in case of error? 04:11:20 you're right i get same error with quicklisp 04:11:33 with using ql:quickload directly even 04:11:41 That's an alternative. 04:12:27 and I am getting output, I just didn't read it. it's too late. 04:12:40 it must be printing it to standard error stream 04:12:51 yes 04:16:29 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8342FD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:21 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:36:30 Bacteria [~Bacteria@1.148.239.47] has joined #lisp 04:39:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-251-130-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:41:16 I forget: is there a way to test whether an asdf system has been loaded? 04:41:28 asdf:operation-done-p is not the way - it returns T every time 04:41:37 (find-package :some-package-defined-by-the-system) 04:41:46 yes, thanks. no. 04:42:21 unless you can find a way to find this package for every system in quicklisp 04:42:39 (hint: asdf systems don't need to define packages) 04:42:46 Perhaps adding some :after method to record what has been loaded? 04:43:29 nope; since I'm testing this in a system that has been loaded via quicklisp, it would be lying about itself and its dependencies. 04:43:41 and possibly more software that was loaded before the patch came into effect 04:44:08 -!- Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:46:38 Patch ASDF. 04:46:53 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:47:02 pnq [~nick@AC8115AA.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 04:47:13 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 04:48:53 naryl [~weechat@188.134.95.93] has joined #lisp 04:49:06 I was afraid this would be the answer 04:49:09 (crap) 04:49:25 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@c83-248-111-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 04:49:25 It's an interesting feature, so it should have it. 04:52:23 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@1.148.239.47] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 04:52:32 -!- mlkith2 [~mlkith@76.73.16.26] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:54:25 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkvcnzekeieuvabk] has joined #lisp 04:54:54 ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has joined #lisp 05:07:57 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:14:08 evening and happy-wintertime-holiday-of-your-choice 05:14:53 -!- NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 05:15:30 and to you, slyrus (: 05:15:38 although it doesn't seem too wintery where we are (: 05:16:32 NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:18:38 kpal [~kpal@46.252.124.61] has joined #lisp 05:22:48 kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 05:23:06 Good morning. 05:23:18 -!- rme [rme@705FF19F.6C775BE1.699BA7A6.IP] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:23:19 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.130.95] has quit [Quit: rme] 05:24:35 jaminja [~jameen@85.17.232.145] has joined #lisp 05:24:42 -!- jaminja [~jameen@85.17.232.145] has quit [Changing host] 05:24:42 jaminja [~jameen@unaffiliated/jaminja] has joined #lisp 05:26:37 aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 05:28:45 antifuchs: no, it's a bit sad. 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That functionality seems gone. Or is it a problem at my end only? 09:21:15 doesn't work for me 09:22:20 cyrillos [~cyrill@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru] has joined #lisp 09:23:32 ok got it to work: I needed to add (slime-setup '(slime-asdf)) to my .emacs (after the quicklisp slime helper line) 09:24:36 (slime-setup '(slime-fancy slime-asdf)) used to be a good choice 09:25:18 tcr: yes. I had switched to quicklisp helper, and that only installs slime-fancy. 09:28:04 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@nantes.visionobjects.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:09 CrazyThinker [~CrazyThin@unaffiliated/crazythinker] has joined #lisp 09:30:10 kpreid [~kpreid@72-255-8-188.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 09:30:56 -!- H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:11 H4ns [hans@netzhansa.com] has joined #lisp 09:32:15 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:35:15 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.168.137] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:00 any ideas why an easy-handler that used to work suddenly stops working with a new hunchentoot? 09:36:15 (newest hunchentoot from quicklisp) 09:36:30 it simply can't find it. 09:38:01 -!- wadexing_ [~wadexing@219.234.141.122] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:38:15 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:40:13 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has joined #lisp 09:43:49 as far as i can tell, dispatch-easy-handlers isn't even being called. 09:44:07 anyway, downgrading quicklisp distro one notch 09:44:14 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:47:34 nah, that bombed everything away and now nothing works 09:47:36 -!- kuzary [~who@gateway/tor-sasl/kuzary] has quit [Quit: return 0;] 09:49:09 slash_ [~unknown@p54B878AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 09:50:29 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-185-42.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:54:17 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.186.58] has joined #lisp 09:56:15 -!- REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:56:29 -!- heidymadia [~saasten@fm-ip-61.247.42.167.fast.net.id] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:57 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 09:58:08 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59:19 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-28-190.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 09:59:21 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 10:02:35 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:37 jtza8 [~jtza8@196-210-142-155.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:02:38 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-59-64.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 10:03:41 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.2.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:08 not even slime is working now 10:06:24 -!- madrik [~user@122.168.37.238] has left #lisp 10:13:21 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 10:13:28 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 10:13:56 -!- aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Quit: peace out guys!] 10:17:02 anyone here knows his way around hunchentoot? 10:18:16 dan64 [~dan64@c-71-206-193-42.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 10:19:13 csdserver [~csdserver@unaffiliated/csddesk] has joined #lisp 10:22:29 -!- kilon [~thekilon@178.59.17.196] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:15 prxq: a bit 10:29:20 what's the problem? 10:30:17 I've done something like (setf *dispatch-table* (list #'dispatch-easy-handlers ...))) in my tests 10:30:26 that worked 10:30:42 i've fixed it by now. The new version of hunchentoot needs an easy-dispatcher (not a dispatcher, as in the past) for easy-handlers to work 10:31:11 anyway, there go two hours I had different plans for. 10:32:07 flip214: thanks 10:32:17 never mind, didn't really help 10:32:31 rather you told me what I'll have to fix when I'm resurrecting my project ;) 10:33:18 that's a nasty one. 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With the he later builds (later than 1150) it fails very quickly, locking up the "server" 13:23:04 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:23:08 X-Scale` [email@89.180.131.223] has joined #lisp 13:23:59 Modius: does 1155 also lock up? 13:24:07 akovalenko: Yes, just tried it. 13:24:09 -!- X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:12 akovalenko: Reinstalled 1150, last one that "works" (at least, it takes a few hours to get to the LDB crash) 13:27:36 urandom_ [~user@p548A29DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:28:11 akovalenko: Were you able to get "Wreck" to run as I described? 13:28:27 -!- mathrick_ [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:07 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A4C6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:30:20 Modius: up to this moment, I didn't try (another tests of my own were able to run into problems faster, i.e. 1150 crashed in a few minutes) 13:30:41 akovalenko: Well, > 1150 locks up Wreck.lisp (server) in a few seconds 13:31:01 By lock up I mean it stops responding, and the REPL doesn't talk any more (I mean from straight command line SBCL here) 13:31:16 > 1150 dies HARD from wreck.lisp, there's no waiting. 13:31:52 mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 13:34:01 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA31012.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:43 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-67-249-179-243.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:11 well, I have to think of it a bit. 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(just want to check that the loop parameter is a correct one) 14:40:27 -!- xpololz [~xpol@50.80-203-124.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 14:41:25 (loop ... do nil) 14:42:12 tried that but sbcl complained "A compound form was expected, but nil found." 14:43:19 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 14:44:45 just don't put any do 14:46:01 so what should I use instead of do (there is if .. else .. )? 14:46:13 what are you really doing? 14:47:47 (progn) if all else fails 14:48:12 but there are negated conditionals in loop too -- (loop unless xx do yy) 14:48:50 ah, forgot those 14:49:13 even if there weren't, NOT would also do the job 14:50:28 -!- NihilistDandy|aw [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:52:17 nitro_idiot [~nitro_idi@EM114-51-98-157.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 14:53:02 pasted the code to: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126707 14:54:20 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54:34 by the way, paste.lisp.org doesn't seem to be working fully, after submitting a paste I got a blank page 14:55:11 rme [~rme@50.43.130.95] has joined #lisp 14:55:45 wws [~billstcla@p-209-105-142-74.dsl1.rtr.chat.fpma.frpt.net] has joined #lisp 14:55:50 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:02 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:56:07 just don't submit to #lisp (or any channel) 14:56:19 jjkola_work: minion is down; it's a side effect of lisppaste trying to announce pastes. 14:56:19 I see 14:56:52 pkhuong: ok 14:56:53 -!- zmyrgel [~user@dsl-lprbrasgw1-fe91fa00-218.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:56:59 assoc is not an acessor 14:59:21 pkhuong: i heard you were working on something in the likes of package-local-nicknames 15:00:16 -!- X99 [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:56 jjkola_work: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126707#1 15:05:28 s/(rawdata.component::name param)/name/ in ERROR 15:06:42 stassats: thanks a lot, it is now much clearer as well as correct :-) 15:07:49 hi 15:08:17 smokycat [~smokycat@p4220-ipngn100402kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:10:17 and just for your information, if you want to use assoc as an accessor, use alexandria:assoc-value 15:10:48 stassats: I'll keep that in mind 15:11:11 (and by accessor i mean that it can be used with SETF) 15:11:31 yes 15:13:32 and it also has a nice property that you don't need to call CDR on the result 15:13:53 although i'm not entirely sure why it has different argument order than ASSOC 15:14:37 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 15:16:11 ok 15:16:37 -!- smokycat [~smokycat@p4220-ipngn100402kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: ] 15:25:11 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.214] has joined #lisp 15:25:11 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@87.247.56.214] has quit [Changing host] 15:25:11 attila_lendvai 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a bad state before, and had to restart 17:04:28 but that's not the case here 17:06:18 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126708 17:07:13 josemanuel [~josemanue@248.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 17:08:07 the weird thing is that it was working fine 17:08:53 wishbone4 [~user@167.216.131.126] has joined #lisp 17:09:14 i don't really know how shared libraries are shared in memories, but sbcl may have corrupted the library and it's still loaded because some other application is using it 17:09:26 I rebooted the machine to check 17:09:58 have you tried the same thing on ccl? 17:10:14 can y ou run any other gl apps? glxgears for instance 17:10:41 other sdl/gl apps work fine 17:10:45 haven't tried ccl 17:11:00 sbcl was working fine about 15 minutes ago :p 17:11:12 that's a long time! 17:11:18 it didn't work after rebooting? 17:11:24 no, it didn't 17:11:41 sdl brings up a non-opengl window fine 17:11:42 no obvious upgrade to sdl/gl? 17:12:03 no changes to underlying software 17:12:10 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libGL.so found pointed to the mesa libraries :p 17:45:08 -!- meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:19 -!- felideon [~user@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:46:01 dlowe: weird, how did that happen 17:46:03 ? 17:46:18 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-hlatkfqqhhponspb] has joined #lisp 17:46:22 cron'd ldconfig perhaps? 17:46:30 hah 17:46:31 longshot 17:47:23 that usually happens for me after updating x-server related things 17:47:26 meta-coder [~meta@unaffiliated/meta-coder] has joined #lisp 17:48:08 what platform is that? 17:48:28 linux 17:49:02 stassats`: what distro? 17:49:03 for future reference, ldconfig -p is invaluable for discovering which libraries are in the search path 17:49:19 prxq: any 17:49:24 well, he said he didn't upgrade anything 17:49:39 upgrade by cron? 17:49:42 stassats`: strange, that never has happened to me 17:49:47 corni 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sdemarre [~serge@91.176.186.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:40:23 what is paip ? 21:40:43 what is google? 21:41:49 Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming....I hope to get it soon..... 21:41:58 It's an altavista competitor 21:42:15 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:08 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8157AB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44:08 baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more 21:44:21 *Phoodus* bobs his head 21:44:48 Phoodus: you're mixing PAIP with something else 21:49:24 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@216.200.217.234] has joined #lisp 21:50:58 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-4d010af7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:52:35 NihilistDandy [~NihilistD@c-75-69-129-101.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:56:26 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-001-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:57:26 _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:55 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:00 -!- CallToPower [~CallToPow@calltopower.org] has left #lisp 22:02:03 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 22:02:35 wol [~wol@67.174.222.215] has joined #lisp 22:06:29 -!- bieber [~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:43 bieber [~quassel@162-78.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:07:41 hY, some biased linux lisp benchmarks from my computer 22:07:43 http://paste.lisp.org/display/126713 22:07:49 might be interesting for others... 22:08:49 -!- ASau [~user@95-27-174-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:09:26 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:02 Funny, I would have thought ECL was faster. Are you sure you compiled with the C compiler in ECL? ECL has several different compilers... 22:10:19 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:10:33 corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1116:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has joined #lisp 22:10:33 -!- corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1116:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has quit [Changing host] 22:10:33 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 22:10:45 ASau [~user@95-27-174-189.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:11:05 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp121-45-88-67.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 22:11:08 pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 22:11:11 -!- spearalot [~spearalot@c83-248-111-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 22:12:19 i used simply compile-file for each lisp 22:12:58 but from the log it seems yes, it used gcc 22:13:39 thank you Cosman246 22:15:33 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 22:15:47 wow massive boost in sbcl , how so ? 22:16:48 no problem, kilon 22:17:15 bege: perhaps a (require 'cmp) ; in ecl is in order... 22:19:40 pjb: i will try, but what does that do? 22:20:25 peterhil [~peterhil@xdsl-77-86-196-131.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 22:21:08 bege: it should load the compiler targetting gcc. 22:21:13 fantazo [~fantazo@178-190-237-51.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 22:21:47 perhaps it's (require "cmp") I don't remember. 22:23:03 -!- xjrn [~chatzilla@c-67-174-244-103.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:23:15 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24:19 chp [~user@c-68-45-180-238.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:55 -!- cnl [~cnl@95.106.65.176] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:25:14 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:27:31 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:28:25 pjb: no difference based on the first few tests 22:28:37 but in the log it doesn't seem good 22:28:46 OPTIMIZE levels: Safety=2, Space=0, Speed=3, Debug=0 22:29:05 as i set safety = 0 22:29:08 Those levels sound good. 22:29:09 Odin- [~sbkhh@adsl-2-92.du.snerpa.is] has joined #lisp 22:29:21 I wouldn't set safety lower than 2... 22:29:27 pjb: CMP is autoloaded in ECL, iirc 22:29:50 corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1116:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has joined #lisp 22:29:50 -!- corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1116:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has quit [Changing host] 22:29:50 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 22:31:33 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:02 kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has joined #lisp 22:34:31 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust941.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 22:35:41 -!- lars_t_h [~lars_t_h@002128060170.mbb.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40:48 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:05 toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has joined #lisp 22:43:30 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:44:23 -!- kenanb [~kenanb@94.54.237.227] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:39 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@pool-96-242-142-128.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Offline] 22:46:45 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-383088.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:53:55 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:00:36 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:00:37 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:00:37 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 23:02:48 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:05:30 Well, I think this will work now 23:07:58 (get-fps) 23:08:00 pjb: why wouldn't you set safety lower than 2? only during coding, or would you do that always. even in performance-centric applications? 23:08:08 oops, wrong buffer 23:08:59 madnificent: it rarely makes a meaningful difference, I think 23:09:01 aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has joined #lisp 23:09:18 corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1112:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has joined #lisp 23:09:18 -!- corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1112:7a92:9cff:fe4b:5188] has quit [Changing host] 23:09:18 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 23:09:19 -!- aliasxerog [~aliasxero@184-8-142-241.shasta.clsm.pa.frontiernet.net] has left #lisp 23:09:44 -!- toekutr [~user@50-0-51-2.dsl.static.sonic.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:42 -!- LiamH [~none@pdp8.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:11:03 Ralith: sometimes pjb has nice insights. i guess you're right. 23:12:01 kpreid [~kpreid@pool-96-242-142-128.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:50 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has joined #lisp 23:15:08 -!- pavelpenev [~pavelludi@83.222.167.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15:52 -!- pavelludiq is now known as pavelpenev 23:16:20 -!- add^_ [~add^_^@h100n5c1o838.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:19:57 -!- corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:23:15 -!- JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27:04 pnq [~nick@AC82CA76.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:31:57 ISF__ [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 23:32:12 corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1030:ea9a:8fff:febf:7356] has joined #lisp 23:32:12 -!- corni [~corni@2001:67c:20a1:1030:ea9a:8fff:febf:7356] has quit [Changing host] 23:32:12 corni [~corni@drupal.org/user/136353/view] has joined #lisp 23:32:21 chrilisch [~chrilisch@e181214036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 23:34:21 Would this work? (let ((lexicon (with-open-file (stream lexfi :direction :input))))) 23:34:38 (where lexfi is a lexical variable specifying a filename) 23:35:21 or is that stupid and should I use the stream variable 23:35:30 -!- dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has left #lisp 23:36:01 (I'll be using another with-open-file within this closure.) 23:36:02 Cosman246: do you want lexicon to contain the contents of the file? 23:36:08 madnificent: yes 23:36:34 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:36:43 -!- chrilisch [~chrilisch@e181214036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:01 you realize that with-open-file doesn't read the contents, right? 23:38:45 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@216.200.217.234] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 23:40:08 -!- hypnocat [~hypnocat@unaffiliated/hypnocat] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:08 madnificent: What is a better way? 23:42:40 Cosman246: sadly, i'd solve it in a lame way, using read-line over and over (assuming the lexicon is a string) 23:42:46 wait, in what format is the lexicon? 23:43:13 a bunch of words in a plaintext file 23:43:13 -!- Yuuhi`` [benni@p5483B01A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:44:56 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@216.200.217.234] has joined #lisp 23:46:21 madnificent: do you have any advice? 23:47:29 -!- felideon [~user@65.23.61.98.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:47:41 Cosman246: are they on a single line or on multiple lines? 23:47:47 Cosman246: do you remember the advice I gave you about designing this to be stream-oriented, not buffer-oriented? 23:48:21 madnificent: luser-dependent 23:48:40 Ralith: somewhat, though I'm not sure exactly how I'd do it 23:49:06 I explained that when giving you the advice. 23:49:21 OK, then no 23:49:26 I don't remember, sorry 23:49:54 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 23:51:42 madnificent: the correct way would be to read-sequence into an file-length vector. 23:52:09 Kron_ [~Kron@CPE0013f7c06a42-CM0013f7c06a3e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 23:52:19 Cosman246: the idea is that instead of reading the entire file all at once, you only read what is necessary to process, as it becomes necessary. 23:52:41 Ah, cool 23:52:42 Cosman246: i don't doubt that there's a nicer way to do this, but this should work: http://paste.lisp.org/display/126714 23:53:17 Ralith: yeah, that'd be a lot better. i considered it, but then i was somewhat surprised that there is no command which states read-file. 23:53:25 s/command/function/ 23:53:28 madnificent: what? 23:53:32 use read-sequence. 23:53:34 i know, it's trivial to write, yet still 23:53:58 gah cl-ppcre 23:54:00 wtf 23:54:02 why are you using regexps 23:54:04 for READING A FILE 23:54:09 >.< 23:54:40 Ralith: because i assume that if he's reading a word-list he may want to accept certain symbols and may want to assume certain symbols represent splits. i didn't know which ones he'd like in his wordlist, so i took the easy way out. 23:54:56 spaces are splits 23:55:19 I was under the impression that he wanted to read the file. 23:55:44 Well, actually, the splits matter not 23:55:50 -!- RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@216.200.217.234] has quit [Quit: RomyEatsDrupal] 23:55:55 I'm not actually using the individual words 23:55:59 and it certainly isn't desirable to process it line at a time. 23:56:01 just the file as a whole 23:57:17 alexandria has a function to read a file 23:58:58 -!- tcr [~tcr@95-88-46-7-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:24 I don't want to have to use another library for reading a file. Thanks though 23:59:25 dlowe: ah, i assumed so 23:59:36 Cosman246: it's easy to fetch it through quicklisp though