00:03:35 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 00:07:09 -!- eulyix [~charles@host86-128-9-79.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:32 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-133-33.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:16:13 -!- rpgsimmaster [~rpgsimmas@system00.packetstability.com] has quit [] 00:16:14 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-133-33.netcologne.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:30 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-157-77.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:23 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:19:17 -!- agumonkey [~agu@173.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:26 -!- johnstorey [~johnstore@12.208.167.194] has quit [Quit: Nodding off now.] 00:22:02 -!- saschakb [~saschakb@p4FEA0404.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:16 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:22:41 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-133-33.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 00:22:45 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:25:22 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 00:26:00 -!- nialo- [~nialo@66-87-7-152.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:22 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:30:23 -!- holycow [~holycow@host-64-151-208-2.bchsia.in2net.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:36:17 nialo- [~nialo@66-87-7-152.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 00:39:25 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 00:41:14 kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-42-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 00:42:37 -!- quincunxes [~kennyd@93-138-117-10.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:45:40 kpreid [~kpreid@72-255-115-235.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 00:46:28 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-49-249.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 00:47:34 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:52:03 deech [470b8c12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.11.140.18] has joined #lisp 00:52:34 Hi all, are there any resources that compare ABCL's Java interop with Clojure's? 00:52:56 No. Would you write such an article? 00:53:09 -!- Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:53:46 pjb : As a newbie, I wouldn't feel qualified enough to touch on anything but basic syntactic issues. 00:54:10 Doing the research for such an article, you would leave the status of newbie! 00:54:27 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #lisp 00:54:45 pjb : Fair enough! 00:55:09 ABCL is better because you have CL interoperability as well 00:58:06 stassats: I love the idea of CL interoperability, but I am more interested in various issues of classloaders and smoothness of Java <-> Lisp interfaces. For example, is it possible to create a Java class from the ABCL side without needing to wrap Lisp functions in Interpreter.eval(...). 00:59:20 deech: have you read the user manual? 00:59:26 stassats: For context, the ecosystem I'm trying to move to some kind of Lisp already has about 300K LOC of Java code. 00:59:50 why do you want to move it to lisp? 01:00:15 sbryant: yes I have , perhaps I missed the part where it shows how to do that. I'll read it again. 01:00:32 http://common-lisp.net/project/armedbear/doc/abcl-user.html 01:01:38 stassats: Because we are trying to move to a more modular plugin system, and add a system of hooks to an application that is so far a monolithic Java app. I have a feeling that a good Lisp on the JVM will facilitate that. 01:02:02 sbryant: Thanks! That's the second time you're helped me today. I appreciate it! 01:02:02 (and un-classloading in Java is a terrible thing to manage) 01:02:17 -!- nialo- [~nialo@66-87-7-152.pools.spcsdns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:02:33 can't Java already do that? 01:02:34 deech: do you know enough about ABCL or Clojure in terms of how it garbage collects functions and such? 01:03:04 stassats: as far as I understand it, and we've hit it a number of times, you can't un-classload a particular class, but you can throw away an entire classloader 01:03:29 so usually you end up with something like creating a new classloader for every class you use to try to keep things semi-dynamic 01:03:34 Phoodus: sorry, i wasn't referring to your message 01:03:35 Phoodus: No. I am a newbie at both. I'm more a Haskell geek than anything else. 01:03:41 ah, k 01:04:04 (to both ;) 0 01:04:41 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp121-45-21-58.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:04:50 if you already have a large code base in some language, you're not an expert in the new language, and you want to get things done, i'd suggest leaving it as it is 01:05:16 but if you just want to have fun, then go ahead 01:05:37 (but then i'd suggest to rewrite it in CL completely) 01:05:56 what fun is there in java, anyway 01:06:03 I would be surprised if ABCL or Clojure are all that different in calling Java things from their respective language. Calling ABCL/Clojure from Java, however, I have no idea 01:07:13 Xach [~xach@pdpc/supporter/professional/xach] has joined #lisp 01:07:22 deech: np. 01:08:34 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-49-249.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:08:43 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-49-249.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 01:11:24 ThomasH [~ThomasH@pdpc/supporter/professional/thomash] has joined #lisp 01:11:58 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:25 Greetings from an Android client 01:12:54 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:12:59 so the client doesn't automatically add "- sent from my Android(tm) device"? 01:13:12 haha that would be terrible 01:13:17 can you run x server on android? 01:13:30 Yeah, I'm as surprised as you 01:13:44 ejbs [~user@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has joined #lisp 01:13:50 Haven't ever thought to try 01:14:12 Just seeing how well this works with swype 01:14:20 Excuse me but where do Emacs/SLIME expect to find SBCL:s source code (talking about M-.)? 01:15:09 ejbs: where SBCL tells it is 01:15:22 you can change it with sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location 01:16:11 Do you get the source with a binary install? Or do you have to install from a build? 01:17:00 stassats: So, I guess there's a variable telling SLIME where it's located? 01:17:39 ejbs: the variable tells SBCL. 01:17:40 ejbs: there's no variable 01:17:46 at the slime side 01:18:14 ejbs: SLIME asks SBCL where its source is. 01:18:26 stassats: Nah, I meant that there's a variable "in" SBCL telling SLIME where the source is located 01:18:50 why are you asking? 01:19:36 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 01:19:42 Because I want to... Oh, yes, well, now I feel stupid. Sorry, I just realised how silly my questions are 01:19:51 Thanks for the help :) 01:20:00 *Xach* completely forgot about sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location 01:20:22 (logical-pathname-translations "SYS")? Would that be the variable? 01:20:27 ejbs: it's better that you ask questions which you mean to ask 01:21:10 Xach: Seems like my copy of SBCL has forgotten about it too 01:21:18 ejbs: update 01:21:22 if you want to change the location where sbcl looks for its source code, then use sb-ext:set-sbcl-source-location, if your sbcl is too old, use what Bike said 01:22:16 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:22:20 Xach: and you wrote it? 01:22:54 Ralith: I'm on 1.0.52, when did this get introduced? 01:23:01 1.0.53 01:23:34 Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has joined #lisp 01:23:58 Hah, oh wow, just my luck I guess 01:24:11 stassats: yes 01:24:24 i meant to blog about it when it was in a release 01:26:07 ejbs: if you don't want to update, you can just copy it, it's self-sufficient: http://sbcl.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=sbcl/sbcl.git;a=blob;f=src/code/target-pathname.lisp#l1771 01:27:08 that is some pretty sweet code 01:28:01 -!- mason [~user@wsip-98-189-9-189.oc.oc.cox.net] has left #lisp 01:29:22 markskilbeck [~Mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 01:30:48 stassats: Thanks but already updated now 01:32:27 _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has joined #lisp 01:32:27 xjiujiu [~quassel@218.77.14.195] has joined #lisp 01:32:29 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-66-65-55-75.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:38 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 01:33:12 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 01:33:29 -!- chenbing` [~user@60.186.241.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:35:46 -!- iwillig [~ivan@66.209.120.98] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:35:51 -!- ejbs [~user@d83-183-51-82.cust.tele2.se] has left #lisp 01:36:47 -!- _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.142.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:37:42 Android IRC client testing complete, it's beer time. 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03:55:20 questions about asking about slime are not tolerated! 03:55:30 It's fine, just ask 03:55:31 :) 03:56:28 jacks-: questions about slime are not tolerated in #emacs 03:56:56 they seem to be, but I can't seem to ever bump into a SLIME user in #emacs. maybe it's bad luck 03:57:21 you can bump into slime developers in #lisp 03:58:09 ok good to know 03:59:27 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-50-240.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 04:00:35 italic [~italic@cpe-74-77-202-204.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 04:01:02 about my question, it appears that Q key does not work in SLIME debugger when connecting to a remote process via slime-connect, while it works fine when debugging a local process. is this a known issue? 04:01:55 just q not shift + q. for quiting to repl 04:03:04 should work fine with a remote connection 04:03:29 it doesn't really work if the error is signalled in a different thread, though 04:04:24 do you use hunchentoot? 04:04:26 maybe that's what is causing it not to work, it's hunchentoot server. let me test 04:04:30 yes 04:04:45 that's right, you it wouldn't work even on a local connection 04:04:49 s/you// 04:04:59 ah ok 04:06:10 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA214F1.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:02 no actually that wasn't it 04:09:48 at least I think it isn't. I just started a sbcl repl in terminal, connected to it, and attempted to call non-existing function. got thrown into the debugger in SLIME, and couldn't press q 04:10:48 got this: "error in process filter: sldb-quit returned [Restart not active [NIL]" 04:11:15 did you call the non-existing function in the terminal or from slime? 04:12:14 although it wouldn't work, this should really be fixed 04:12:21 it really annoys me, i'll look at it 04:12:35 sorry, I called it from REPL not SLIME 04:12:54 you shouldn't really use that REPL 04:13:06 slime is supposed to be used with slime-repl 04:13:28 do you have slime-repl contrib enabled? 04:14:29 CaZe_ [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has joined #lisp 04:14:30 how do I check? I just recently switched to emacs 04:14:59 does a buffer with *slime-repl sbcl* pop out when you connect? 04:15:03 mathrick_ [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has joined #lisp 04:15:06 yes 04:15:33 that's where you should enter the code 04:15:35 not using *inferior lisp* anymore (I was using it the first week though :) 04:16:38 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-138-42-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16:38 -!- CaZe [~CaZe@unaffiliated/y354c] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16:38 -!- brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16:38 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16:39 -!- CaZe_ is now known as CaZe 04:16:45 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 04:16:51 I am, I just wanted to check if the threads were causing q not to work, forgetting that slime sends communicates with lisp process in a separate thread 04:16:56 -!- foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17:03 brendyn [~brendyn@123-2-73-61.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] has joined #lisp 04:17:16 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@AntiSpamMeta/.] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17:19 foom [~jknight@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 04:17:44 kennyd_ [~kennyd@93-138-42-192.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 04:18:15 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@83.1.168.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:18:16 yes, it has the same effect on q (not because of threads, but because it's not in the context of slime-abort restart) 04:18:36 but i'll try to fix that 04:21:41 so you're one of the SLIME developers? 04:21:50 i am, yes 04:22:25 appreciate your work! I switched to emacs just because of SLIME 04:22:38 -!- YokYok [~david@AClermont-Ferrand-651-1-141-146.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:52 kpreid_ [~kpreid@72-255-115-235.client.stsn.net] has joined #lisp 04:23:53 thanks 04:24:01 d2biG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 04:24:09 Ralith_ [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has joined #lisp 04:24:29 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@72-255-115-235.client.stsn.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:24:29 -!- easyE [jzScpfxIgM@panix2.panix.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:29 -!- karswell [~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:24:29 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:29 -!- Ralith [~ralith@216.162.199.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:24:31 -!- kpreid_ is now known as kpreid 04:29:09 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:29:09 I asked this the other day but didn't get a definite answer. is it safe to do something like this: (loop (func)), and then recompile the func function without quitting the loop first? 04:29:12 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.208] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29:33 did you try it? 04:29:35 or as a more realistic example, to recompile callbacks that are called when button is clicked without quitting the gui message loop 04:29:45 should be safe 04:29:48 yes it seems to work but I'm not sure it's safe 04:29:50 unless they're inlined 04:29:55 ok good 04:30:18 What if the function is recursive? 04:30:24 it's safe in any case, just it may not work sometimes 04:30:29 does this make sense: distributing a bundled lisp-based web server with an html/js client as a standalone app? 04:30:47 italic: if it makes sense to you, yes 04:31:17 Some java "applications" are distributed like that. 04:31:27 i'm just wondering how to package it up so it looks "real" 04:31:32 ramusara_ [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 04:31:43 i guess a shell script or something 04:31:50 italic: some browser accept URLs stored in "icons". 04:32:55 to further complicate things, i want to use node.js to handle a websocket to the client and a regular socket to the lisp program 04:33:10 One advantage of this deployment is to let the administrator install the application on a different computer than the user interface. 04:33:21 samebcha1e [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has joined #lisp 04:33:51 tritchey_ [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:35:05 -!- paraboli1e [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:05 -!- inklesspen [~jon-freen@inklesspen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:05 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:06 -!- samebchase [~samuel@76.73.121.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:06 -!- tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:06 -!- tritchey_ is now known as tritchey 04:38:19 lazybone [~yukiy@110.185.232.28] has joined #lisp 04:41:13 inklesspen [~jon-freen@inklesspen.com] has joined #lisp 04:44:38 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:08 Package a copy of chrome set up to run in frameless application mode. :) 04:58:00 -!- deech [470b8c12@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.11.140.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:58:54 frozencemetery [~frozencem@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU] has joined #lisp 05:02:01 _3b [foobar@cpe-72-179-19-4.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:02:05 Noctifer [~Noctifer@wrzb-4d005aa7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 05:02:29 jacks-: should be fixed in CVS 05:03:54 BrianRice` [~water@97-126-49-15.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 05:03:55 -!- BrianRice [~water@97-126-49-15.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:03:55 -!- BrianRice` is now known as BrianRice 05:11:00 pnq [~nick@ACA32E0D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 05:15:49 stassats great, that was fast 05:16:34 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.208] has joined #lisp 05:17:04 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:19 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 05:19:59 -!- drewc [~user@207.6.31.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:20:06 _nix00 [~Adium@180.118.92.10] has joined #lisp 05:23:08 November [november@osiris.parodius.com] has joined #lisp 05:27:48 optikalmouse [~user@CPE0018396f696d-CM0019475d2002.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 05:30:00 -!- jacks- [~redmundia@mail.madito.es] has quit [Quit: Chateando desde http://webchat.redmundial.org (EOF)] 05:39:03 LOOP question; I want to return the most minimal sublist (loop for item in list minimize (blah item)), is there a way to do that? 05:39:21 no 05:39:40 optikalmouse: that's probably the most common reason I read for switching to iterate. 05:40:11 do you know the syntax for it in iterate off hand? 05:40:24 nope, haven't used iterate :S 05:40:25 Vicfred [~Futaba@201.102.81.4] has joined #lisp 05:43:46 ok it's (iter (for x in list) (finding x minimizing (length x))) 05:43:48 I'm basically doing a sort #'> with the key set to #'blah and then returning the first item aren't I... 05:43:57 :S 05:47:30 you can write something like http://paste.lisp.org/display/126670 and be done without iterate 05:47:34 slightly better than that. quicksort is O(n log n). looping over the list and keeping track of the smallest value is O(n) 05:47:52 hmm 05:56:09 Woo, finally got working audio with lispbuilder-sdl-mixer 06:03:00 sbryant: there's a lot of folks in #lispgames with experience using lispbuilder. You might find it pretty useful. 06:03:20 I'll have to jump in there 06:08:43 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 06:10:24 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.208] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 06:11:42 -!- optikalmouse [~user@CPE0018396f696d-CM0019475d2002.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:42 so, what's the standard installation procedure for asdf'ed up systems, now that everyone's running quicklisp? 06:16:38 -!- srolls [~user@c-76-126-212-192.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:21:05 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.168.137] has joined #lisp 06:22:25 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:23:39 luminaryhart [~luminaryh@75.76.52.253] has joined #lisp 06:24:57 pkhuong: What do you mean? 06:25:20 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-231-253.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 06:31:41 -!- rme [~rme@50.43.130.95] has quit [Quit: rme] 06:35:12 -!- Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Bacteria] 06:36:10 -!- italic [~italic@cpe-74-77-202-204.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:44:50 -!- jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@bl6-92-111.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:47:38 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp121-45-88-67.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:28 JuniorRoy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 06:49:54 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:52:52 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp121-45-88-67.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 06:53:26 -!- _nix00 [~Adium@180.118.92.10] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:54:27 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dlggufzbcpmgxolh] has joined #lisp 06:55:42 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA32E0D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:56:27 drdo: what should I tell newcomers. It used to be I'd tell thme to frob *central-registry* and add symlinks. Has that changed? 06:57:44 .config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/ 06:58:18 Maybe I should update my ql client. 06:58:37 ASDF looks there for config files 06:58:52 I just have one with (:tree "my-projects-dir/") 06:59:30 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:27 pkhuong: mind, *central-registry* still works 07:06:09 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:07:49 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-191-194.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12:49 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402419.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:16:20 SlayersZ [~SlayersZ@70.65.233.0] has joined #lisp 07:16:27 hello 07:17:41 -!- Vivitron [~user@ip98-165-43-236.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:53 angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has joined #lisp 07:23:18 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-161-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 07:25:11 -!- incandenza [u726@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kamxixvhknwaaemb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:11 -!- whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fyrawpshuatzbmhc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:11 -!- SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkhjshmaalilyipk] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 07:26:46 situ [~quassel@202.71.143.2] has joined #lisp 07:27:47 -!- Kron_ [~Kron@69.166.21.249] has quit [Quit: Kron awayyy!] 07:28:22 ISF [~ivan@201.82.172.81] has joined #lisp 07:29:53 Vivitron [~user@ip98-165-43-236.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 07:30:14 -!- _mathrick [~mathrick@85.218.147.227] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:41 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 07:37:29 -!- situ [~quassel@202.71.143.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:31 situ [~quassel@202.71.143.2] has joined #lisp 07:40:35 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 07:40:51 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-71-129-49-249.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:41:21 kami` [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has joined #lisp 07:41:36 anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has joined #lisp 07:43:47 Good morning. 07:44:02 -!- kami` is now known as kami 07:45:21 pchrist [~spirit@gentoo/developer/pchrist] has joined #lisp 07:45:22 SeanTAllen [u4855@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-juwfcrhubfxcxrdz] has joined #lisp 07:51:40 teggi_ [~teggi@113.172.34.252] has joined #lisp 07:53:33 -!- BrianRice [~water@97-126-49-15.tukw.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:33 BrianRice` [~water@97-126-49-15.tukw.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 07:53:34 -!- BrianRice` is now known as BrianRice 07:54:04 -!- teggi [~teggi@113.172.42.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:54:17 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-402419.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:54:39 incandenza [u726@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-weelecnodshxbmem] has joined #lisp 07:55:13 kilon [~kilon@athedsl-403252.home.otenet.gr] has joined #lisp 07:58:42 Hello 07:59:08 Hello loke 07:59:55 *loke* is battling CFFI 08:00:27 -!- situ [~quassel@202.71.143.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:00:51 I am looking at the implementation of process-wait-with-timeout in acl-compat: http://tinyurl.com/cl8mscy 08:01:46 and wondering why it sleeps for 0.1 secs in a loop instead of sleeping for the amount of timeout 08:02:19 -!- duomo [~duomo@120-dcmp11.goeaston.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 08:03:16 Maybe to avoid it from blokcing something else? There may be some bizarre underlying implementation of sleep that blocks interrupts for example? 08:03:20 I have no idea :-) 08:03:24 Ah. Found it: http://www.franz.com/support/documentation/8.2/doc/operators/mp/process-wait-with-timeout.htm "if function does not return true before the timeout period expires" 08:03:29 Sorry for the noise. 08:03:35 -!- tali713` [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:04:53 kami: that doesn't justify it using sleep 0.1 continously 08:05:12 Besides, most implementations of sleep actually uses integer granularity, and 0.1 means 0 08:05:24 that would cause this implementation to use 100% cpu time while sleeping 08:08:00 loke: eh? That's not how CL works. 08:08:02 loke: it is sbcl specific code. And calls nanosleep on unix. 08:10:24 sleep 0.1 still isn't justifiable. 08:13:24 Ralith: I guess the people who wrote that had to make an arbitrary choice about the granularity, at which the argument predicate should be tested. 08:13:39 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:14:00 Maybe it is modelled after the granularity which which Allegro tests the predicate. 08:14:51 kami: that seems unlikely. The franz docs are unclear; what exactly does this operator do? 08:15:35 whoops [u549@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-semtohuqaipkkjng] has joined #lisp 08:19:02 slash_ [~unknown@p54B8648F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:19:24 -!- d2biG is now known as dRbiG 08:20:16 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 08:23:13 Ralith: do I misunderstand the second section? "The time granularity is system dependent....". If ACL has a granularity of 0.08 on unix systems, then it seems a good approximation to me to sleep for 0.1. 08:23:40 kami: no, I mean I don't understand what this operator is supposed to do 08:23:48 why doesn't it just sleep for the full duration of the timeout interval? 08:24:05 Ralith: did you read the page I pasted? 08:24:15 yes. 08:24:24 "The wait will timeout if function does not return true before the timeout period expires." 08:24:27 (or rather, block on the process's exit until then) 08:24:55 It takes the predicate into account which is passed as the 3rd arg 08:25:18 it returns when the that function returns true OR the timeout expires 08:25:29 s/the// 08:25:47 ah, I see, it *does* block when the predicate is such that it can. 08:29:54 pkhuong: fair enough. I didn't realise it was SBCL specific code 08:30:04 I do believe CLISP works the way I said though 08:30:27 nope, it doesn't 08:30:30 sorry about that 08:31:52 this seems like a strange design 08:33:25 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:33:42 Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 08:34:38 -!- slash_ [~unknown@p54B8648F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:36:20 -!- kilon [~kilon@athedsl-403252.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:37 lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-97-244.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:37:38 -!- luminaryhart [~luminaryh@75.76.52.253] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:38:54 -!- EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.19.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:42:23 -!- Cryotank2011 [~Cryotank2@c-24-17-62-152.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Cryotank2011] 08:43:49 snearch [~snearch@e178057230.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:45:09 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:46:29 -!- kami [~user@unaffiliated/kami-] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47:06 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 08:53:25 chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 08:54:04 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 08:56:49 slilo [~user@host-94-251-99-133.bbcustomer.zsttk.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:37 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has joined #lisp 09:16:49 -!- Noctifer [~Noctifer@wrzb-4d005aa7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:38 ngz [~user@67.79.199.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 09:31:37 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 09:35:49 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:07 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-dlggufzbcpmgxolh] has left #lisp 09:38:49 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-214-104-215.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: sleep] 09:44:12 mark_burns [~mark@91.125.107.17] has joined #lisp 09:45:27 hey guys. I'm a programmer but lisp newby, is it possible to not be forced to type in abort each time you do a typo in the REPL? 09:48:22 -!- SlayersZ [~SlayersZ@70.65.233.0] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:49:22 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 09:49:55 mark_burns: use slime-repl so you'll have sldb and just have to type Q in it. 09:50:15 mark_burns: which lisp implementation are you using? sbcl asks me for a number... 09:51:09 anyway, typing 'a' works too. 09:51:15 thanks daimrod. i just did a brew install clisp on my mac. so not sure. clasp? 09:51:19 *clisp 09:51:32 works on sbcl* 09:51:38 GNU CLISP 2.49 09:52:37 i'm starting working my way through onlisp. would you recommend sbcl? 09:53:23 not really, but if you already know a bit of programming PCL might be better than onlisp. 09:53:51 the majority of people here use sbcl but recommendations seem to differ based on operating system 09:54:15 onlisp is for beginners? 09:54:22 I don't think so 09:54:47 i thought onlisp was the canonical guide to lisp? 09:54:50 no 09:54:55 no, « It assumes some familiarity with Lisp 09:54:57 it is far from canonical, and it is not a guide 09:54:57 » 09:55:01 -!- anonus [~anonymous@88.80.28.189] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:55:19 where did you get that idea from? 09:56:01 not sure. lisp has always been on my to do list for a long time. i'm far from familiar with it. well i might be being a bit too optimistic but i've been programming a long time so i thought i may be able to pick it up from a non-beginner type book 09:56:08 LoL, PCL and "Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation" are good books to start with lisp depending on your background. 09:56:24 then go with PCL 09:56:45 ok thanks for the advice. but why not on lisp? 10:00:08 I'm fairly new to lisp and I've not yet finished onlisp, but PCL is more a book which teaches you how to program in lisp where onlisp is more a style guide with some advices. 10:01:44 ok thanks. i'll check out PCL 10:02:42 kiuma 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Goddamnint someone must have done this before me. 13:46:42 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 13:46:49 does anybody knows why after I've server an html page, after more or less two minutes, iolisp starts trigging the io-handler read function even if I'm not touching the browser ? (iolib receive-from reads zero bytes) 13:46:59 *know 13:47:00 I'm sure someone has attempted to build a CL-to-Java bridge? 13:47:10 loke: ABCL ? 13:47:14 daimrod: SBCL 13:47:21 ABCL is easy, obviously 13:47:29 -!- agumonkey [~agu@173.217.72.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47:33 kiuma: perhaps the browser is disconnecting? 13:47:43 kiuma: HTTP/1.1 allows the browser to keep the ocnnection open 13:48:13 -!- chromaticwt [~user@67-41-15-81.albq.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:48:24 loke, infact I don't close it 13:50:40 kiuma: Perhaps a finalizer is closing it. 13:50:52 I but maybe could be something like I don't close my side 13:51:11 of the socket 13:52:54 now I try to send a page request, and then close the browser, if after two minutes sbcl starts eating cpu, it's that I'm not closing the socket on my side 13:53:34 loke: I was remembering of someone who wants to do a FFI for java and I've just realized it was you. 13:54:03 I didn't need to wait 2 minutes :) 13:54:10 -!- elliottcable is now known as possiblyakshatj 13:54:47 I've a problem when browser closes its connection with my server 13:57:01 daimrod: :-) 13:57:20 daimrod: well, I'm working on one now. But I'm frustrated 13:57:53 -!- possiblyakshatj is now known as elliottcable 13:59:34 more difficult than expected ? 14:00:08 daimrod: well, kinda 14:00:19 daimrod: It's CFFI that makes me want to tear my eyes out 14:03:24 loke: why ? 14:04:48 Can I get excited about Common Lisp as well? 14:05:01 Let's give it a go... 14:05:04 Common Lisp! 14:06:35 I still feel the same, maybe I have reach my peak excitedness 14:06:46 I suggest that you get excited about getting excited about Common Lisp. 14:07:12 meta-excited? I like that 14:15:55 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17:49 zophy [~zophy@host-5-150-220-24.midco.net] has joined #lisp 14:17:59 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 14:18:37 if a potential subset is empty why would a test for it return true ? 14:20:09 How is the potential subset represented? 14:20:12 -!- sylecn [~sylecn@207.7.149.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:25 it's just empty 14:20:33 Gibberish; try again. 14:20:51 i assume there is some definition involved here 14:21:29 the empty subset is a member of all sets or something 14:21:46 And, how is it represented in lisp in this case? 14:23:07 the code reads ((null L1) t), what is provided as L1 i don't know 14:23:33 That's not a legal form -- look at the containing form. 14:25:28 In any case (null nil) is T, and everything else is nil. 14:25:38 why when I close the browser (that is keeping socket open) iolib read io-handler is called and how do I know that connection has been closed by the browser ? my handler has a handler-case of socket-connection-reset-error and end-of-file on receive-from call I've none of these exceptions 14:26:49 null nil makes sense 14:27:53 kiuma: the connection is closed when a read returns 0. receive-from will never signal an end-of-file 14:28:06 xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.26] has joined #lisp 14:28:31 ah, just that check ? 14:28:35 this particular handling of the empty subset is more logical than mathematical i think 14:29:50 fe[nl]ix, so if receive-from has 0 bytes read it' means that the socket is closed ? (when into the read handler) 14:30:01 yes 14:30:33 cool 14:31:49 tali713` [~tali713@c-75-72-193-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 14:33:33 -!- [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has quit [Quit: [ Close the World, Open the nExt ]] 14:35:01 kiuma: Those are the posix semantics. 14:35:12 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:36:35 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:37:15 listen to my cpu fan... Heared anything ? no ? ahhh finally cpu is quiet now :) 14:37:47 sbcl 0% cpu :D 14:37:51 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:39:36 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:40:19 kiuma: Your SBCL is clearly under utilised, write more code NOW! 14:40:24 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-171-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:40:37 lol 14:41:02 it's 24 of Dec and it's saturday :) 14:41:24 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:42:24 Lambdas are 24/7/365. The parenthesis are calling you, can't you hear them? 14:44:22 -!- lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-97-244.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:46:58 -!- pnq [~nick@AC820C92.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:47:27 *chenbing* is struggling with pathname 14:49:15 pnq [~nick@ACA218BC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 14:52:51 chenbing, what's the struggle? 14:53:35 Bound to be using them to try to deal with stuff not made by lisp. 14:54:13 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA218BC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:55:33 portable and logical pathname 14:56:39 I recommend only using them for a virtual lisp file-system. 14:56:41 chenbing: can you give an example? 14:57:07 For externally sourced files, I suggest namestrings. 14:57:33 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 14:57:40 no, I just start from some articles. found a aritlce from gigamonkeys http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/practical-a-portable-pathname-library.html 14:57:49 but how do you read directories? seems no way around pathname for that 14:58:19 yeah, i am headcahe about pathname-directory 14:58:26 chenbing: ah, i read that before. any specific questions you have? 14:58:44 no, it's chaos 14:58:58 pathname-directory is ok, because the implementation knows how to deal with the host. 14:59:12 So you can just turn them into namestrings :) 14:59:51 yeah ,the term "namestring" and "designator" are part of headache 15:00:14 And you can convert between host namestrings and pathnames automatically. 15:00:15 namestring is just a string 15:00:27 like "/etc/passwd" 15:00:45 may I think a disignate as a variable or reference? 15:00:56 Zhivago: but different systems give different results or have different ways to get a complete directory listing 15:01:14 exactly what is discussed in PCL 15:02:06 great. some missing part from ACL will be supplemnet by PCL 15:02:23 That's why you use namestrings -- if "/etc" is a namestring, then (directory "/etc") should work 15:02:38 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02:47 hmm 15:02:55 Then you can convert the resulting pathnames into namestrings. 15:03:04 Keeping all of the external stuff that way. 15:03:26 Reserving logical pathnames for a virtual lisp fs for your own stuff. 15:04:01 Trying to perform pathname operations on host derived stuff is where it gets tricky. 15:04:18 But if you just deal with all of the host stuff as namestrings, then that problem disappears. 15:04:30 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:04:45 (Since the implementation has the magical knowledge of how to deal with the stuff that it produces) 15:04:49 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:45 (directory "/etc") doesn't give me a list, only (directory "/etc/*") (directory "/etc/.*") (directory "/etc/*.*"), and you need all 3 to get a complete listing. and the results for each part are not the same accross implementations 15:07:47 Slightly off -- (mapcar #'namestring (directory "/etc/*")) 15:09:17 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.159.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:10:11 eMBee: I've been told that using wildchar in directory isn't good because even if it's accepted the standard doesn't explain how they must be interpreted. 15:10:57 daimrod: yes, but that is the problem. i have not found a way to get a directory listing other than with wildcards 15:11:27 eMBee: There's cl-fad:list-directory 15:11:55 I've used cl-fad:list-directory + file-namestring 15:12:38 that is the abstraction from PCL which just builds on the existing directory and pathname stuff using wildcards 15:13:00 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 15:13:21 Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has joined #lisp 15:15:04 eMBee: indeed but I think it's more portable than rolling your own. 15:17:02 sure 15:18:45 nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:18:49 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.168.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:59 chenbing: still wondering about this topic? 15:20:35 -!- Cosman246 [~cosman246@64.134.188.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:03 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 15:21:47 i would not get to hung up on it. the purpose of the chapter on PCL is not to show how different directory handling is in lisp, but just to have a practical example of building portable functions 15:25:23 kpal [~kpal@46-252-114-180.sibtele.com] has joined #lisp 15:25:33 aliao [~user@61.54.62.31] has joined #lisp 15:25:48 Xach: well, Napa FFT lives (https://github.com/pkhuong/Napa-FFT). Do you have a checklist of things that make systems quicklisp-friendly? 15:26:02 -!- aliao [~user@61.54.62.31] has left #lisp 15:26:07 eMBee: :-) It's too late, I will learn it tomorrow. Merry 15:27:41 -!- Joreji [~thomas@77-23-251-130-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:06 -!- kpal [~kpal@46-252-114-180.sibtele.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:20 Kron_ [~Kron@199.91.214.5] has joined #lisp 15:33:26 kpal [~kpal@46-252-114-180.sibtele.com] has joined #lisp 15:34:36 pkhuong: in the readme about performance you explain that the the input stored in row-major order is first processed by column, and that your implementation transposes the input so that columns become rows. that too is described as being in row-major order. now i either don't understand what row-major order means or the second is not row-major? 15:35:49 eMBee: row-major refers to the way two (or more) indices are mapped into a linear vector. 15:36:17 eMBee: both are row-major: the index computation looks like (+ (* row column-count) column). 15:37:36 so row-major means the first index is the row, the second the column... 15:38:30 no. it describes how row and columns are mapped into a single integer. 15:38:52 oh, ok 15:40:24 Fortran is column major; the mapping is (+ (* column stride) row). For naive math code, that's a pretty solid decision: we tend to fully process columns in matrices, one after the other. 15:41:07 C is row-major, because C doesn't have multi-dimensional arrays. 15:41:57 yes, makes sense, thank you 15:42:53 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:42:59 mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.130] has joined #lisp 15:43:45 doesn't "row-major" or "column-major" imply multi-dimensional arrays? 15:44:20 Having a 1d array isn't row or column major, it just is in order. 15:44:43 LiamH: CL fairly clearly favours row-major order. 15:44:44 well, it is multidimensional input data serialized into a flat array 15:44:59 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 15:45:15 eMBee, indeed, that is my point 15:45:47 liam: It has arrays of arrays, which produces a row-major memory structure. 15:46:36 Zhivago: yes, I see 15:54:20 benny` [~benny@i577A1C24.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 15:56:09 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7D40.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:53 In the spirit of what I just read: Common Lisp! 15:57:14 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 15:58:38 -!- gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59:01 gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:00:21 X-Scale` [email@89.180.162.215] has joined #lisp 16:00:32 -!- X-Scale` [email@89.180.162.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:28 -!- X-Scale- [email@2001:5c0:1400:b::b793] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:01:48 kiuma: long time no see 16:02:16 hello madnificent 16:02:27 yes, very long :) 16:02:31 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:36 how did your web company turn out? 16:02:37 Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 16:02:50 (sorry, i forgot the name, i should've remembered) 16:03:11 I had many opened projects, now reduced to one fortunately ) 16:03:20 madnificent, Wings Tech 16:03:22 -!- gko [~gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:03:52 gko [~gko@114-34-168-13.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 16:04:12 right Wings Tech, that was it. 16:04:19 more than enough work, that's a good sign 16:04:38 italic [~italic@cpe-74-77-202-204.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:05:02 Athas [~athas@ip1.c291.frb32.cust.comxnet.dk] has joined #lisp 16:05:11 actually I'm full of work, but my country is robbing all I earn 16:05:39 kiuma: italy? 16:05:53 how did you guess ? :P 16:06:04 kiuma: your domain :-) 16:06:08 hehe 16:07:09 anyway kuma http server is turning out pretty well 16:07:28 -!- rtoym [~chatzilla@24.130.4.105] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:39 -!- edgar-rft [~user@HSI-KBW-078-043-123-191.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:07:48 kiuma: what's wrong with hunchentoot? :-) 16:07:51 even if a pretty hell mixing event based with threads 16:08:03 se ^^ 16:08:09 *see 16:08:12 kiuma: is your webserver code up to look at, if you don't mind me asking? 16:08:38 sbryant, let me commit last changes 16:09:09 I've pretty much settled with zeromq and mongrel2 bindings for web stuff 16:09:37 Though I do want to play with huchentoot and ucw just to do some presentations for the lisp meetup 16:09:59 sbryant: if you bolg, please blog about it. i read something you said about it on reddit, but that didn't really gave me much trust in it. 16:10:13 madnificent: which part? 16:10:22 because zeromq is amazing on it's own 16:10:23 I really like hunchentoot, I only wanted to create something different 16:10:27 sbryant: or a recorded presentation, that would be even more awesome. << mongrel2 zeromq lisp 16:10:30 -!- eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:32 *loke* really likes hunchentoot 16:10:32 OH 16:10:44 I'll put together something for that 16:10:51 loke: /me too, however it doesn't hurt to look around 16:10:54 madnificent: It's almost too easy 16:11:18 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.254.37] has joined #lisp 16:11:24 sbryant, you'll need git version of https://github.com/kiuma/thread-pool 16:11:42 I looked at UCW first and it provides hooks all the way down into so I can easily replace the IO mechanisms 16:11:50 sbryant, http server code is https://github.com/kiuma/kuma 16:11:56 which after that it's just messages in a particular format 16:12:09 -!- Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:14 eno [~eno@nslu2-linux/eno] has joined #lisp 16:12:22 but I really have to go now! 16:12:24 anyway, i have to go, later! 16:12:28 Alright thanks! 16:12:33 Happy Xmas to all 16:12:36 I'll read the code and maybe play with it later 16:12:48 see u from 26 16:12:50 loke: do you have something up with huchentoot 16:12:50 ? 16:12:58 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@93-35-245-89.ip57.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:04 Nisstyre [~yours@infocalypse-net.info] has joined #lisp 16:14:05 sbryant: well, I'm using it for a project righ tnow 16:14:37 Ah how's the huchentoot experience? It looked really nice and easy. Especially with the easy-acceptors 16:14:53 Almost Catalyst-like from Perl 16:15:04 sbryant: well, I just (last week) moved away from easy acceptors :-) 16:15:54 Ah 16:16:40 sbryant: that's because I built an authentication mechanism with users and groups and stuff, so now all I do to add a page is to declare it like so (define-secure-handler NAME "/some/path" (required permissions here) ...) 16:17:03 [SLB] [~balthasar@unaffiliated/slabua] has joined #lisp 16:17:11 There is also some other helpers to make JSON-based REST handlers easy and convenient 16:17:20 Ah neat 16:17:59 That way, the handler gets a decoded sexp of the json stuff (from CL-JSON) and all it has to do is to return another such sexp describing the return json) 16:18:17 Then Ajax stuff becomes very easy 16:19:25 Indeed 16:19:25 it automatically handles illegal permissions, and sends the user to the correct login page or error page if needed. All in all it's very nice. 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that protocol documented anywhere besides the source itself now? 19:50:50 no 19:51:11 it's easy actually 19:51:13 alright 19:51:33 but i didn't look at the recent changes, but they weren't too revolutionary 19:51:33 yes it is easy but a bit annoying too 19:51:43 why do you want to know it? 19:52:24 maybe in order to drive something other than lisp (: 19:52:29 I wonder how swankr is faring 19:52:37 I have worked on a chicken scheme swank server at the beginning of this year and set it aside after a while due to other "urgent" things 19:52:51 -!- dabd [~dabd@a79-169-214-13.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:53:05 my shell slime is probably not working anymore, oh well 19:53:30 ikki [~ikki@189.247.130.170] has joined #lisp 19:54:23 -!- sacho [~sacho@90-154-150-124.btc-net.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:13 sacho [~sacho@90-154-150-124.btc-net.bg] has joined #lisp 19:56:29 -!- EyesIsAsleep [~eyes@WiseOS/Founder/EyesIsMine] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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array-in-bounds-p call because "lower array bounds unknown or negative and upper bounds not negative". What does this mean? 20:04:29 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@31.163.209.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04:57 that it doesn't posses enough information to make sure it can operate safely without checking array bounds 20:05:30 -!- sacho [~sacho@90-154-150-124.btc-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:05:55 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06:35 -!- dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:11:22 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.34.146] has joined #lisp 20:14:11 and about negative part, if your array index is, say (integer -1 5), which means the lower bound is negative, but it still can be a correct array index fro 0 to 5, so it can't optimize it away 20:14:29 hm. thanks. 20:15:01 while if it's (integer -5 -1), both bounds are negative, and no array index can be negative, so it'll optimize it away (and the body of IF which depends on it) 20:15:26 lolsuper_ 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unknown subscripts bounds, or bounds are not a subset of dimensions" 20:19:52 but with a better wording 20:22:06 maybe "array bounds are unknown or incompatible" 20:24:18 if somebody comes up with something better or backs this up, i might commit it 20:28:31 -!- n1tn4tsn0k [~nitnatsno@31.163.209.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:32:48 -!- alexzin [~Alexey@ppp85-141-146-94.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:34:06 vectors are great 20:34:29 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:13 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:36:08 sometimes 20:38:55 dnolen [~user@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:41:37 lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-127-253.w90-43.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:42:11 -!- lispmeister [~fix@AStDenis-551-1-127-253.w90-43.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 20:43:27 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-171-26.washdc.east.verizon.net] 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