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Let's bet on usage of CL symbol in internal expansions. 01:20:39 sounds likely 01:26:43 Wait, I recognize this... 01:27:00 What's the inline-expanded definition of MOD? 01:27:36 ISTR that it expands to something with NUMBER as one of the parameters. 01:28:12 pterygot1 [~me@cpe-76-188-7-196.neo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 01:29:55 nyef: yup. 01:30:38 -!- Phoodus [~foo@ip72-223-116-248.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:51 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-244-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:35:18 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-244-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Client Quit] 01:35:41 mobydick [~textual@burong3.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:48 let's call it dividend instead (: 01:37:05 Dividend or divisor? 01:37:26 And does this mean we get to use minuend and subtrahend in two-arg-- ? 01:37:40 we have number/divisor currently. 01:37:52 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:37:52 Fair enough. 01:38:07 Really, mixing terminology like that was just asking for trouble. 01:39:37 araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has joined #lisp 01:39:43 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.88.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:06 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.81.235] has joined #lisp 01:40:10 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A348B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:00 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl19-244-180.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 01:41:01 nyef: another option would be to have more sort of safeguard and make sure that CL isn't ever CL-during-bootstrap. 01:43:04 -!- quek [~read_eval@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 01:43:20 How would that help? 01:44:09 sb!kernel::number wouldn't be EQ to cl:number. 01:44:26 Ouch. 01:45:05 -!- ikki [~ikki@189.247.143.98] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:46:23 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.111.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:48:38 I think I'd rather see a warning about using a CL symbol for an 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[~voxel@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 10:58:03 light text, dark background 10:58:10 I'm failing to find it :/ 10:58:31 the page has disappeared of the web 10:58:44 and robert's original list is inaccessible as well 10:58:58 and i can't seem to get to web.archive.org 10:59:00 AAARGHS 10:59:07 uniXtrem [~uniXtrem@ABayonne-752-1-5-90.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:59:14 hi 11:04:03 yeah, me too 11:04:11 Death of the Internet predicted 11:04:23 http://abhishek.geek.nz/docs/features-of-common-lisp/ # is the one, but i can't reach it 11:04:50 paul graham is insensible? 11:05:15 nikodemus: no load here either; seems to be serverside 11:05:26 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:46 i am beggining common lisp with stumpwm 11:05:50 iirc that page had an open license. i wonder if someone has a copy 11:05:56 so i am very newbie in this language 11:06:12 can you help me on how to eval the contents of a file ? 11:06:19 Ralith: hyperbolic and make very strange arguments 11:06:24 makes, even 11:06:45 (eval (get-file-contents "/home/me/.run.lisp")) 11:06:47 -!- otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:51 how to do this ? 11:07:04 otakutomo [~otakutomo@KD027083117212.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 11:07:10 (load "/home/me/.run.lisp") 11:07:22 *nikodemus* recommends http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/ to uniXtrem 11:07:46 thanks you, i realy needed a link like this :D 11:08:00 and thanks for the "load" 11:08:59 Yuuhi [benni@p5483B9DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:14:12 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 11:22:25 -!- voxel [~voxel@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:22:35 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 11:24:45 voxel [~voxel@c122-106-254-100.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #lisp 11:25:18 -!- voxel 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[75c2f6cc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.117.194.246.204] has joined #lisp 13:16:58 hello all 13:17:11 i am trying to learn lisp 13:17:19 That is a good idea. 13:17:21 and using sbcl 13:17:31 Also good. 13:17:33 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-31-250.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:40 how can i run my program using sbcl 13:17:54 load the program into SBCL, call its functions. 13:18:07 something like python first.py runs a python program 13:18:21 but how can i do this using sbcl 13:18:22 That is not how you normally use a Lisp program. 13:18:35 could some one please guide me 13:19:01 learning: start sbcl (usually in slime), load your program (usually with asdf, directly or indirectly), call program's functions from repl 13:19:02 Xach: :load filename.lisp ? 13:19:36 Is that the file that has your program's functions? If so, yes. or (load "filename.lisp") 13:20:16 my file name is hello-world.lisp 13:20:32 alvis [~alvis@tx-71-2-120-116.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #lisp 13:20:37 and my function is defun hello-world ()(format t "hello, world")) 13:20:42 (load "hello-world.lisp") would load it into SBCL. 13:21:01 Xach: thank you 13:24:08 http://xach.livejournal.com/278047.html has some notes about how make new projects in CL 13:24:56 gko [gko@220-135-201-90.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 13:26:20 -!- saschakb_ [~saschakb@p4FEA0979.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:30:10 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-35.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:03 "how I" 13:31:18 *Xach* *must* update it for ~/quicklisp/local-projects/ 13:34:11 stickycake [~stickycak@ool-ade56413.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:34:11 RomyEatsDrupal [~stickycak@ool-ade56413.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:41 learning: It's not normal to keep using (load ...) all the time, though. 13:36:06 drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has joined #lisp 13:36:11 learning: most people have keys set up to send individual definitions to Lisp from within the editor. 13:37:56 rvirding [~chatzilla@203.41.202.90] has joined #lisp 13:47:00 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:47:05 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:48:26 nicdev [~user@pool-98-113-216-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:51 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:51:18 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:25 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 13:51:33 jmckitrick [~user@108-77-157-187.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 13:52:05 I'm having some issues getting nginx to proxy port 80 to hunchentoot on 8000 13:52:05 splittist [b2c6684a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.178.198.104.74] has joined #lisp 13:52:21 morning 13:52:25 I can access both apache on port 9000, and hunchentoot on port 8000. 13:52:36 splittist: mornin', yourself. 13:52:56 But when I try the same URL at port 80, I get an error page. 13:53:09 jmckitrick: paste the nginx config? 13:53:14 and the error log? 13:53:38 k 13:54:55 -!- ZabaQ [~johnfredc@135.114-84-212.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:33 Xach: did the paste appear? I don't see it.... 13:55:56 Oh, and I'm looking for the error log, except I install nginx w/o building with debug. 13:57:00 It's important to find the error log. 13:57:06 yeah, one sec. 13:57:10 Has little to do with building for debug. 13:57:18 I don't know much about nginx config, but i use this for l1sp.org: proxy_pass http://localhost:7718; 13:58:36 qmake [~chatzilla@58.60.214.223] has joined #lisp 14:01:14 Hmm. Possible issue. The error and access logs were not touched since 8:06. 14:01:19 nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 14:01:35 that's 2 hours into the future! 14:01:45 Hehe, not for me, lol. 14:02:00 But perhaps nginx is not starting correctly. 14:04:06 Xach: you don't use the 'upstream' directive? 14:04:11 Never heard of it. 14:04:30 -!- nicdev [~user@pool-98-113-216-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:04:36 I just found it in a blog on hunchentoot and nginx. 14:05:05 Well, I recommend solving your first problems (starting nginx properly, reviewing the error log) before changing the config. 14:05:26 Maybe upstream is a better directive. 14:07:35 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@203.41.202.90] has left #lisp 14:07:35 Guthur [~user@host86-150-154-98.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 14:12:46 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:13:11 nicdev [~user@pool-98-113-216-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 14:13:12 hmph, bots awol again? 14:14:38 -!- Jeanne-Kamikaze [~Jeanne-Ka@242.Red-88-24-175.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Did you hear that ?] 14:16:20 Xach: ok, I'll reinstall nginx and start there. 14:16:31 *Xach* boggles 14:17:36 m7w [50f956c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.249.86.197] has joined #lisp 14:19:11 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-21-53-225.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:20 -!- quek [~read_eval@router1.gpy1.ms246.net] has left #lisp 14:20:11 -!- tsuru``` is now known as tsuru` 14:24:36 Matt_S_G [Matt_S_G@176.16.237.147] has joined #lisp 14:25:56 waltwhite [~waltwhite@ABordeaux-256-1-94-32.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 14:27:56 naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has joined #lisp 14:29:03 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 14:29:51 Xach: unbelievable. 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[~frre@89.180.87.203] has joined #lisp 18:25:54 nth is a recursive fucntion? 18:27:05 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:21 nth is a macro 18:27:34 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 18:27:40 Anyone here taken (or taught) a course on numerical analysis? 18:27:51 nth is a function 18:28:03 which may or may not be implemented with recursion 18:28:52 gigamonkey: I've taken one, but it was more engineering-oriented than math. Too bad salex isn't around. 18:29:16 i would expect Kryztof to know a bit about numerical analysis as well 18:30:05 here is my problem. I have a list of lists , but i want a more efficient representation. Vector of vectors? 18:30:24 frre: what is you access pattern? 18:30:26 frre: depends on the operations. 18:30:39 teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has joined #lisp 18:30:45 -!- drake01 [~drake01@unaffiliated/drake01] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 18:31:22 I'm trying to understand something very simple: is numerical analysis is necesarily (these days) concerned with using computers to solve numeric problems. Or is the underlying math sometimes studied separately. 18:31:40 this is for using minimax for a game. Each state is a board of the game. 18:31:47 gigamonkey: the latter is done as well. 18:33:11 they gave us a list of lists, but it is suggested to convert it to another representation that allows to go deeper in minimax 18:33:12 frre: you could also use a 2-d array 18:33:16 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 18:33:19 We have numerical analysis in both the computer science and math dept here. CS is maybe 50/50 split between convergence/precision proof (or, rather, the intuition behind them) and implementation, with a small amount of proof-by-working-program. 18:33:57 pkhuong: so how much of numerical analysis is actually concerned with the vagaries of floating point arithmetic? 18:34:10 i forgot, lists are not the same size. So the best solution is vector of vectors? 18:34:11 the math course assumes finite precision arithmetic, and, maybe rounding rules, but doesn't go in details. And it's all convergence and precision proofs. 18:34:42 frre: the board is currently a list of lists? or what is the list of lists? 18:34:47 So you could get out of a NA course and still not necessarily understand all the details of how floating point math works? 18:34:57 gigamonkey: sure. 18:35:06 And conversely you could understand everything about how floating point works and no basically nothing about NA. 18:35:11 pnq [~nick@AC814552.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 18:35:55 gigamonkey: I think the math people get a <1-lecture overview of the idea of floating point, but it doesn't go into the details of 754. 18:36:22 do you need to store arbitrary objects in it? is the size of the list known beforehand, or do they grow and shrink? do you need to iterate over them, access random elements, etc? 18:36:23 And the CS people cover 754 in their intro to computer arch, not NA. 18:36:59 pkhuong: ah. That makes sense. 18:37:02 gigamonkey: so, yes, I would definitely say so. 18:37:08 frre: what does the board represent? Is it a game we might be familiar with? 18:37:58 I'm thinking of (maybe) writing a book about floating point numbers for programmers (i.e. something bit less mathematical than "What Every Computer Scientist ..." and need to figure out if anything similar has been written yet. 18:38:12 -!- The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 18:38:22 So maybe some computer architecture text is the closest thing to covering what I'm thinking about. 18:38:42 Practical Floating Point. i'd like that 18:38:43 The_third_man [~The_third@ram94-12-78-234-200-168.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:38:47 nikodemus: no, we know beforehand, we need to iterate and acess random elements. It's the "Y game". 18:38:47 frre: depending on the game, with a vector of vectors (or lists of lists, or a list of vectors, etc.) you might be able to share structure between game states, which might save you a fair bit of memory. 18:38:51 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39:00 with a 2d array this won't work ... 18:39:10 frre: and what do you need to store in it? 18:39:50 just 'X, 'O or '* 18:40:00 situ [~quassel@223.183.181.245] has joined #lisp 18:40:26 -!- ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ccorn] 18:40:37 and what are the dimensions? 18:41:15 are you on a 64bit machine, BTW? because with 3 elements you'll need 2 bits, and that means that up to 32 positions you could get by with a single fixnum. 18:41:16 drdo [~drdo@85.207.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #lisp 18:41:34 frre: a one-dimensional array of element-type (unsigned-byte 2) would be the most space efficient one. just have a canonical numbering for the hexes, and use integers 0, 1, and 2 to represent X, O, and * 18:41:53 gigamonkey: I think the treatment in the first 2 chapters of Golub and Van Loan is both typical and very good. 18:42:38 they gave us the dimension in the begginig, so first list has 3 elements, second 6, 9, 12... 18:43:02 ccorn [~ccorn@g132123.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #lisp 18:43:19 pkhuong: this one http://books.google.com/books/about/Matrix_computations.html?id=mlOa7wPX6OYC ? 18:43:20 with dimension 4, we have a list of 4 lists with dimensions 3,6,9 and 12 18:43:54 that way a 36 hex board takes 9 bytes, not 36 words 18:44:20 gigamonkey: right. 18:44:58 frre: how many of these lists do you have? 18:45:22 frre: so indexes 0-2 in the array are list 1, index 3-8 list 2, etc 18:45:37 Guthur` [~user@host86-148-163-10.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 18:47:20 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:48:46 I wouldn't have said that there was a whole book in floating point 18:48:47 -!- Guthur [~user@host86-150-154-98.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:49:22 salex is indeed the nick to watch out for; I have about the same amount of formal NA as pkhuong describes 18:49:45 (but I am a physicist so I have the advantage of error analysis in physical contexts drilled into me) 18:49:54 waltwhite_ [~waltwhite@ABordeaux-256-1-70-75.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 18:50:40 nikodemus: each integer is a line? 18:50:51 Kryztof: yeah, I'm thinking a short book. 18:51:50 frre: each integer corresponds to one element in your lists-in-lists now 18:52:14 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 18:53:03 -!- waltwhite [~waltwhite@ABordeaux-256-1-94-32.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:53:03 -!- waltwhite_ is now known as waltwhite 19:01:10 nikodemus: ok, just if i have lists of the same size, i will probably think of each integer as a line, right? 19:01:31 sorry for my english 19:02:17 samebchase: zazzle 19:02:48 http://www.zazzle.com/wigflip specifically. not a great price imho. 19:03:11 frre: either one here is misunderstanding something 19:04:01 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:26 frre: right now you have stuff like ((O X *) (O O X X O *)) for two dimension thing? 19:05:21 -!- Guthur` [~user@host86-148-163-10.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:39 nikodemus: ((*OX)(******)) 19:05:49 nikodemus: yes 19:06:18 frre: does the outer list need to grow? 19:06:18 nikodemus: i know always the size of the order "n" of the list 19:06:29 nikodemus: no 19:07:08 lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 19:07:08 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@pool-173-65-194-148.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:07:08 lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 19:07:50 nikodemus: i just don't know how many lists the game will have. That parameter is defined by them. The main fucntion as that size as an argument 19:07:53 ok, so, instead you'd have 0=0, X=1, *=2 and #(2 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1) would represent the same thing as that nested list of lists 19:09:11 because you know the first list contains 3 elements, you also know that to grab the first element of the second list you need to do (aref vector 3) 19:09:18 and so forth 19:09:55 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.194] has joined #lisp 19:10:06 paul0 [~user@177.42.34.144] has joined #lisp 19:10:41 nikodemus: ok, thanks. Just one last question. There is some special declaration for element-type (unsigned-byte 2)? 19:11:37 (make-array :element-type '(unsigned-byte 2)) is how you make one, (declare (type (simple-array (unsigned-byte 2) (*)) ) is how you declare one 19:12:04 frre: do you undrstand the space savings involved here? 19:12:15 you want to specify an :initial-element as well. 19:12:25 that too 19:13:06 nikodemus: yes, i understand 19:13:09 thank you all 19:13:30 hm, in the book practical common lisp, it mentions a comman (C-M-q) that indents a lisp code if the cursor is inside the expression 19:13:39 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:14:02 didn't work here, but C-c M-q works when I use it with the cursor on the first parenthesis 19:15:10 "...you can re-indent a whole expression by positioning the cursor on the opening parenthesis and typing C-M-q. Or you can re-indent the whole body of a function from anywhere within it by typing C-c M-q." 19:16:28 oh, C-M-q in the opening parenthesis works, C-c M-q doesn't 19:16:57 -!- naeg [~naeg@194.208.239.170] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 19:19:58 madnificent [~madnifice@83.101.62.132] has joined #lisp 19:21:19 paul0: that may well have changed in SLIME since PCL was written. 19:21:44 -!- teggi [~teggi@123.20.58.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:06 C-C M-q works fine. he just misread it :) 19:22:33 -!- situ [~quassel@223.183.181.245] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:38 or maybe i misread him 19:23:07 C-M-q on the opening paren. 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And the end result is that I want to create a image map accross a range of floats (eg, -1.0 -1.0 to 1.0 1.0), and write it out to a file. 19:54:40 But I'm trying to do everything by writing the unit test first. 19:55:22 Test-Driven Failure 19:55:30 something like that. 19:55:34 H4ns [5b3d4815@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.61.72.21] has joined #lisp 19:55:44 why is beirc failing to identify to the network ? 19:55:47 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.55.90] has joined #lisp 19:55:49 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:56:15 found your hostname is the last sane thing and then *** No ident response 19:57:23 -!- angavrilov [~angavrilo@217.71.227.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:57:23 So TDD, whether or not its a good methodology, its driving me nuts because I'm having trouble even doing it at all, I can't even develop an opinion on it because I just fall on my face if I try to write unit tests first. 19:57:25 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:57:27 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-111-205.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 19:57:27 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-111-205.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 19:57:27 insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 19:58:00 Maybe I'm actually a bad programmer or I've been trained to write bad programs, I have no idea. 19:58:18 derekv: tdd, like anything else, is not a silver bullet. 19:58:40 -!- rbancroft [~rumble@S0106000024ccf2b4.cg.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:58:48 H4ns, I would guess that your right, but I should be able to at least do it. 19:59:25 derekv: maybe you need someone to guide you 19:59:43 I mean, I can, but it seems to take me about 3/5 times longer. By the time I've gotten the tests and code working, i've thought of a better way to do it that invalidates the tests anyways. 19:59:46 udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #lisp 19:59:50 *H4ns* has said to himself so-and-so often to try tdd next, but never did. 20:00:43 derekv: you can also just dismiss tdd as being a fashion that will go away in a while, when people realize that tests are not a substitute for proper design 20:00:47 derekv: i don't think it fits together with lisp perfectly. it's much easier to write a piece of software and then see if it abides the contract. i try out my code in the repl and tell is-right to create a test-case of it if it was correct.. that's what works best for me at the moment. the less dynamic the language, the better TDD seems to become. 20:01:28 derekv: Test driven development is 'okay', but it doesn't preclude thinking about the problem. 20:02:02 hmm, so madnificent you think maybe i'm picking the wrong language to practice TDD with? 20:02:37 derekv: It also seems to provide the most bang for the buck ime when applied to behaviors instead of, say, mathematical functions. 20:02:41 derekv: there certainly are languages that you'll find more examples of tdd in. 20:03:55 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:00 Actually I do think its a fad, intuitively. 20:04:15 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 20:04:16 *derekv* is trying to avoid programming in java. 20:04:48 derekv: ruby folks love tdd 20:04:55 ohhhhh hmmm 20:05:04 Interesting idea. 20:05:26 snearch [~snearch@e179157077.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 20:05:33 derekv: pick some random rails tutorial and you'll quickly find yourself being pushed to use rspec or some such. 20:06:40 chp [~chp@dyn-carl-202-105.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 20:08:00 -!- akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.55.90] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:08:02 derekv: do you write functions and then test them in the repl or similar? 20:08:50 oGMo: You write expressions in the REPL, and they type M-p, and wrap it in a bigger expression, and so on. When it's big enough you wrap it in a defun and it's done. 20:08:53 oGMo, a combination ... i do fragments in the repl 20:09:12 tdd is just doing that in some sort of framework that tests the output for you in the future 20:09:32 pjb: heh 20:10:18 -!- nicdev [~user@pool-98-113-216-238.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:10:23 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-248-92.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:12:14 oGMo: i think the biggest value of tdd is that software becomes easier to refactor if you have a good test harness. but maybe, if the test harness is really good, the software it tests is also good enough to not need such a big refactoring. 20:12:24 OK thinking over my attempts I think there's a couple things hindering me ... one is knowing the framework I'm working in, eg I can find examples of writing out to a file so that is fairly easy, but to check it in a unit test, requires more sophisticated knowledge of streams. 20:12:50 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 20:14:56 which, I suppose this is the other thing, do go bottom up or top down with your tests? whats the right level of granularity? 20:15:05 *H4ns* likes system-level tests more than unit tests. 20:15:14 derekv: outside-in or inside-out. 20:15:33 right. 20:15:46 Directional metaphors get confusing quick. 20:15:47 testing functionality on the level that the customer sees makes a lot of sense. 20:15:49 The level of granularity is effectively the amount of reliability you need to test your system to, along with the expected regression testing. 20:16:12 gigamonk` [~user@cpe-76-167-161-98.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:16:17 mo' future change, mo' test suits. 20:16:19 *suites 20:16:23 H4ns, UI level tests are more fragile. but it works for say libraries 20:17:32 -!- gigamonkey [~user@cpe-76-167-161-98.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:18:43 derekv: sorry, no, not at all. what i'm saying is that TDD becomes less valuable as the time you need for writing code becomes less, proportionally, to the time you need to write tests. with write i mean both the time you need to figure out what you need to code and write the code itself. 20:21:01 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 20:23:21 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 20:23:44 madnificent: when you say you tell is-right to make a test-case, do you mean that you have a function that takes the last repl call, and its output, and adds those to a test file as a test case? 20:24:15 madnificent, Yea that's where I'm frustraded, tests take too long to design write and debug. 20:24:22 Basically, yes. 20:26:57 H4ns: eh sortof. tdd helps catch stuff you test for, which is nice, but that's about the extent of it. handy, but still limited 20:28:08 hmm, so, current problem is that, its tedious to write a test that operates on a stream then checks what is written to it to make sure its correct. and, in the might not want to generate the entire array first, then format it to a file... 20:28:32 definitely helps to have tests anyway .. the hardcore java-style formal tdd stuff is a bit silly imho .. i've done less formal test stuff in ruby, and it helps to a point 20:29:49 in an wholly informal sense, testing is a proof of correctness by construction. How provably correct do you need your software? 20:29:50 derekv: work on smaller pieces 20:29:56 So my problem is that the most obvious test to write (test a function that takes an array, stream, writes an image file to stream) was not correct 20:30:25 derekv: if you have a function that's hard to test because it's a "do a bunch of stuff and write it to a stream," that _is_ an indication your coding style needs work 20:30:36 derekv: have I previously pointed you to http://www.gigamonkeys.com/misc/fischer-random-chess.txt and http://www.gigamonkeys.com/misc/impossible-book-tdd.txt ? 20:30:43 If not, the may be mildly interesting. 20:30:48 oGMo, perhaps. I've already got smaller peices working. 20:31:03 -!- gigamonk` is now known as gigamonkey 20:31:14 gigamonk`, I read the impossible book one I have the other bookmarked. 20:31:51 derekv: well, you can leave it at the smaller functional bits, which are hopefully the important bit .. you could set up a mock framework for i/o or similar if really necessary 20:32:55 oGMo, so maybe I take it too literally. 20:32:58 osa1 [~sinan@141.196.87.133] has joined #lisp 20:33:33 meh I feel like an idiot. Sorry for waisting everyones time, thanks for letting me talk it through though. 20:34:08 well my view of tdd is not nearly as hardcore as what a java person would probably tell you, but i've mostly done this in ruby and only to the extent i find it useful 20:34:46 -!- MoALTz [~no@host-92-18-28-48.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:33 You could write a couple of macros to define tested functions (def-tdd-fun f (params) (declare (test (... (f ...) ...))) body...) 20:36:19 -!- rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:36:21 s0ber_ [~s0ber@114-36-234-104.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 20:36:23 -!- locci [~Nessuno@unaffiliated/carlocci] has quit [] 20:37:04 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@114-36-232-74.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:37:16 I think I know what I'm doing wrong. 20:37:19 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 20:40:22 chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-31-250.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 20:40:35 Writing a test first isn't going to make it obvious how to make a good interface, its just going to m try to write ridiculous tests. 20:40:54 derekv: well, in tdd you write the tests firsts. So I fail to understand how it's tedious to write them. The tests define what function you have to write after. 20:41:11 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 20:42:17 -!- killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:42:31 pjb, do you tend to just check known input/output pairs? 20:43:30 dnolen [~davidnole@pool-68-161-131-102.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:43:32 For example, if you want to write a function that takes a list and returns a new list with the elements reversed, you'd have the following tests: (and (equal (r '()) '()) (equal (r '(1)) '(1)) (equal (r '(1 2)) '(2 1)) (equal (r '(1 2 3)) '(3 2 1)) (let* ((l (list 1 2 3)) (c l)) (r l) (and (equal l '(1 2 3)) (eq l c)))) 20:43:40 Vivitron: 'yes', is-right tries to emit a semi-human-readable test. is-right is just a test to see if it would be nice to work in such a system. if you're interested, i'll place the code online somewhere. 20:43:41 derekv: you could also use random values. 20:44:26 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:42 madnificent: I would love to see the code 20:44:55 derekv: i agree, i don't like writing the tests in all cases. i found it to be too time consuming as well. though in many cases, it makes sense to write them. in some cases they ensure that your interface is nice enough, so you can more easily query the information in your model. 20:44:58 derekv: (let ((l (make-list (random 1000)))) (map-into l (lambda (x) (random)) l) (equal (r l) (reverse l))) 20:45:16 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85a1dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: benkard] 20:45:22 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 20:45:25 It is just a way to write the pre/post conditions of the function... 20:45:29 *madnificent* searches for the code and heads to github 20:45:42 * cheers 20:45:52 I suggest to look through design by contract ideas. 20:46:07 It's probably more useful. 20:46:32 pjb, Well so I have function that given two floats and in int, returns an int, it is deterministic and stateless. I already have tests for that. What I want is to create an grayscale image from the span from one pair of floats to another, and write it out to a file, given a format. 20:47:11 So my first idea was, ok write a test that given 2 dimensional array full of ints and an output stream writes out the image to th stream. 20:47:46 er rather checks the stream to see that it matches what was expected 20:48:07 for testing, you can often equate stream with file-stream. 20:49:46 (assert (progn (write-image path data) (equal (read-image path) data))) 20:49:52 It's easy enough to test... 20:50:18 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@cpe-67-249-228-147.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Offline] 20:51:07 hmm 20:52:56 -!- waltwhite [~waltwhite@ABordeaux-256-1-70-75.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: waltwhite] 20:53:10 -!- pnathan [~Adium@dsl231-034-016.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:25 -!- benny` is now known as benny 20:53:28 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 20:54:22 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-18-166-81.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 20:56:16 You may also use string streams, but they are only text streams, not binary streams. 20:56:47 jacius [~jacius@c-24-13-89-230.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:57:28 -!- gz [~gz@209-6-49-85.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #lisp 20:58:03 pjb, yea I ran into that 20:58:37 On the other hand, you would have to design more sophisticated tests, to ensure the file is written in binary, with a specific format... 20:59:16 -!- chp [~chp@dyn-carl-202-105.dyn.columbia.edu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:00:11 chp [~user@dyn-carl-202-105.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #lisp 21:02:30 benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85a6f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:03:21 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp0217.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:04:03 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d858a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:07:05 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d85a6f0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:07:05 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 21:07:50 -!- am0c [~am0c@222.235.56.158] has quit [Quit: am0c] 21:09:22 yes its not just how to write the tests, or when to write them, but which things do you test? sometimes its simple and obvious but I find bugs in my code happening in ways that are more application level and the tests for them would be quite sophisticated ... if your not just testing against known input/output pairs or simple conditions, your test becomes basically the inverse of the functionality being testing and probably, you'll just m 21:09:22 ake the same mistake in the test as in the code 21:10:25 thanks for the input, bbl. 21:11:37 -!- Vicfred [~Vicfred@189.143.106.28] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:12:47 -!- ThePawnBreak [~quassel@94.177.108.25] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:13:54 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:12 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 21:15:49 who wrote beirc ? 21:16:05 homie: why? 21:16:45 i can't connect, and trying to reconnect i get an error undefined method for gf clim::tab-layout-pages(1) nil 21:17:03 -!- stis [~stis@1-1-1-39a.veo.vs.bostream.se] has left #lisp 21:17:18 hmm. it probably needs maintenance. 21:18:11 superflit [~superflit@71-33-155-94.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 21:19:48 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:22:09 akovalenko [~akovalenk@95.73.125.225] has joined #lisp 21:22:10 wbooze [~Brucio-40@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 21:23:21 Vivitron: sorry for the delay, it's quite hectic here. see https://github.com/madnificent/is-right 21:23:31 oh man 21:23:41 homie: beslyrus uses beirc 21:23:52 sdemarre [~serge@91.176.42.187] has joined #lisp 21:23:54 now i connected 21:23:59 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:24:20 -!- udzinari [~user@ip-89-102-12-6.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:24:22 Vivitron: if you intend to use it, give me a shout, i'll check if there are details which aren't clear from the documentation. the code is written with literate programming (that's is-right.org) 21:25:41 madnificent: thank you, checking out out now:) 21:25:51 ok, setqing the variables for beirc, somehow breaks some things.... 21:26:29 without them i can connect 21:26:59 it suffices to just set my nick in my .beirc file that it does no more connect 21:27:39 hmm and the scrolling of the tab-pane is nono 21:27:42 -!- chu [~mathew.ba@CPE-124-176-31-250.lns2.dea.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 21:28:00 is there no autoscrolling for it ? 21:28:46 can anyone point me a guido to setup emacs-slime setup with auto-complete, documentation lookup, etc. I'm a vim user and trying to install setup emacs for common lisp 21:28:56 and is there a difference to starting it as (beirc:beirc) from cl-user as to start it from within package beirc as (beirc) ? 21:28:59 -!- uniXtrem [~uniXtrem@ABayonne-752-1-5-90.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:29:05 madnificent: please see is-right.org for more information  NXDOMAIN 21:29:40 -!- theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:29:44 madnificent: nvm, I'm a moron, I thought that's a domain name ;) 21:31:09 stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has joined #lisp 21:32:12 -!- wbooze [~Brucio-40@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:32:42 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-66-56.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:34:10 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:29 -!- nonduality [~alex@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:34:37 antoszka: never thought of it. i could claim it and redirect it to the right page though ;-) (would be a total waste of dns space) 21:34:55 nonduality [~nondualit@chello084114039189.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #lisp 21:34:57 nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-49-8.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 21:34:59 stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has joined #lisp 21:35:09 antifuchs: my homebrew SBCL pull request got merged! It only took 3 months. --32bit option :) 21:36:29 rme [~rme@50.43.151.225] has joined #lisp 21:40:21 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:41:42 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 21:42:07 -!- stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:42:59 theos [~theos@unaffiliated/theos] has joined #lisp 21:43:51 Kenjin: hah! 21:43:54 Kenjin: at last (: 21:44:06 antifuchs: ;) 21:45:11 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d85555c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 21:47:19 -!- benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-5d85555c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:47:31 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 21:48:31 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-5d858a36.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:53:10 -!- osa1 [~sinan@141.196.87.133] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:16 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:54:48 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:56:56 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 21:56:59 -!- sdemarre [~serge@91.176.42.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:57:40 -!- nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:58:29 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 21:58:42 -!- rvrebane [~rvrebane@valjapaas.vkhk.ee] has quit [Quit: time to go..] 21:59:19 entrix_ [~entrix@89-178-88-122.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 21:59:45 stickycake [~stickycak@64.134.240.123] has joined #lisp 22:00:37 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:37 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 22:01:48 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 22:02:39 ThomasH [4b1349ad@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/tmh] has joined #lisp 22:02:46 Greetings lispers. 22:02:51 beirc-user [~beirc-use@xdsl-87-79-198-84.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 22:03:35 -!- derekv [~Real@c-76-112-218-47.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03:37 hello :-) 22:03:46 *killerboy* isn't a lisper yet 22:04:03 gensym [~user@dslc-082-082-099-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 22:04:51 i have a question regarding the channel panes layout customization, where do i put the :background and :foreground arguments for it in beirc ? 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