00:00:07 Wow. Six implementations, six different results, and all of them arguably wrong. 00:01:13 The CMUCL response is the least comprehensible, to my mind. 00:01:56 glen_222 [~chatzilla@dsl-69-171-154-122.acanac.net] has joined #lisp 00:02:00 -!- benny [~benny@i577A76DF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:29 -!- glen_222 [~chatzilla@dsl-69-171-154-122.acanac.net] has left #lisp 00:02:45 *p_l* finds a *currently* developed L4 variant that might be usable! OSdev, I come home! xD 00:02:52 Heh. 00:02:57 p_l: Good luck. 00:03:08 nyef: I want to put SBCL on that ;_) 00:05:41 pjb: I actually find the spec to be reasonably unambiguous here, the result should be (57), NIL. 00:05:50 make lispy little OS (ethernet + serial console) and see what one can build 00:05:57 But the return value from PUSH should simply be (57). 00:06:10 I'd expect that if push expands to (setf (values a b) (cons 57 (values a b))). 00:06:21 p_l: I had hard disk and text-mode console drivers going before I stopped with SBCL-os. 00:06:36 But push could use get-setf-expansions and expand t something else, hence signaling an error for the mismatch. 00:06:40 nyef: ah right, block devices too 00:06:51 nyef: I'm not going to run SBCL's runtime ... in normal way 00:07:11 p_l: I didn't /have/ a runtime for my SBCL core in SBCL-os. 00:07:34 pjb: PUSH actually /has to/ use GET-SETF-EXPANSION or its moral equivalent. 00:07:53 hence my preference for the error signaling. 00:08:05 L4? 00:08:08 pjb: But then you get down to the semantics of assigning a single value when more than one is expected, which is that each value past the first is set to NIL. 00:08:50 pjb: Further, SETF in such a situation must return all of the values for PLACE, even if only one is set, while PUSH only returns the primary value. 00:08:52 Ralith: a microkernel (closer to nanokernel, really) 00:09:08 neat 00:10:11 nyef: I think you're right, all those implementations are wrong. 00:10:28 Time to make SBCL do the right thing, then. 00:10:46 And the other implementations too. 00:10:55 nyef: I want to make a weird mix of VMS and SBCL :) 00:11:05 I can fix SBCL, I don't have commit access to the others. 00:11:11 p_l: Nice! 00:11:15 You have bug report access. 00:11:35 -!- nicdev [~user@c-76-24-21-219.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:39 nyef: so, asynchronous calls etc. 00:12:12 pjb: Perhaps, but you're the one that found the bugs in all of the non-sbcl implementations. :-P 00:13:00 My left hand is unusable for now. I cannot make heavy keyboard use this week... 00:17:20 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:52 benny [~benny@i577A7DF4.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 00:20:49 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-173-239-80-026.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 00:23:25 We should get Xach to make a lisp tip for this one. Including the mention that "a recent survey of six lisp implementations demonstrated six different results for this example, all of which were wrong." 00:28:58 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:30:50 Ah, damn, still a bug with PUSH in my current tree. 00:31:01 Worth pushing anyway, though. 00:36:00 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.85] has joined #lisp 00:36:39 -!- wakeup_ [~wakeup@xdsl-89-0-88-146.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: "GAY HARD CREW IN THE HOUSE (MAYBE NOT ANYMORE)"] 00:36:47 What's wrong with this picture? http://paste.lisp.org/display/125437 00:37:39 (Hint: At least three things.) 00:38:25 -!- GrayMagiker [~steve@c-174-56-88-247.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 00:41:49 <|3b|> 'right justify' seems like an odd term to use for bits 00:42:26 It's not as odd for a field, though. 00:42:29 <|3b|> setf lambda list could have nicer names 00:42:40 For the compiled function? 00:42:47 <|3b|> 'field' has multiple lines that could all end at the same place? 00:42:49 Yes, that's one of the three I saw. 00:43:02 <|3b|> i understand what it means, just doesn't seem like the best way to say it 00:43:37 <|3b|> not that i can come up with anything better off hand 00:43:40 Perhaps. So, we're up to four things wrong? 00:44:12 <|3b|> not sure i'd go as far as wrong, but not good either 00:44:19 Mmm. 00:44:57 The other two "wrong" things have to do with docstrings. 00:46:40 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:46:42 (In one case, there is no docstring. In the other case, the docstring is a bit silly given the context.) 00:46:44 *|3b|* would probably also document what (setf ldb) returns 00:47:17 I wouldn't, I'd just presume that it follows the usual conventions for SETF. 00:48:12 *|3b|* wouldn't be sufficiently confident on what the 'usual convention' means when the value being stored might not be the actual new value passed 00:48:40 <|3b|> i'd probably assume the value passed, but then i'd probably know what the function does if i knew that much about setf in the first place :p 00:48:50 I suspect that (SETF LDB) as a function is actually an egregious hack. 00:50:32 <|3b|> are 'accessors' in clhs specified to to be functions or not? 00:51:01 They are /usually/ functions, but some are only functions for their readers. 00:51:37 Also note that if you have SBCL installed, it will probably say something different for this example. 00:52:07 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-159-71.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:52:51 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.22.115.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:54:56 <|3b|> also s/number/integer/ in the setf ldb docstring 00:57:27 *|3b|* wonders how hard it would be to provide a useful automated summary of a setf expander 00:57:48 tritchey [~tritchey@c-68-51-88-12.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 00:58:46 -!- alexgordon [~alexgordo@host-2-97-43-32.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com] 00:59:22 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.169.88] has joined #lisp 01:03:48 doritos [~joshua@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:04:16 prxq_ [~mommer@mnhm-4d010791.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 01:07:28 -!- prxq [~mommer@mnhm-590c080a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:08:00 -!- hagish [~hagish@p549819A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:23 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 01:08:32 -!- Adlai [~user@unaffiliated/adlai] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:06 timack [~timack@hlfx55-2b-34.ns.sympatico.ca] has joined #lisp 01:17:32 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:02 -!- gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:33:53 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:35:15 -!- phzbOx [~pheze@68.67.68.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:35:25 phzbOx [~pheze@68.67.68.168] has joined #lisp 01:35:34 -!- wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:55 pnathan [~Adium@76.178.165.160] has joined #lisp 01:37:10 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.169.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:38:35 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.169.88] has joined #lisp 01:47:45 -!- waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:49:44 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 01:52:48 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53:24 -!- dodecahedron [~joel@lolnet.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:38 dodecahedron [~joel@lolnet.org] has joined #lisp 01:54:00 triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 02:01:49 -!- Guest84516 [~Kron@69.166.23.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:14 Guest84516 [~Kron@69.166.23.18] has joined #lisp 02:03:14 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.169.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:04:11 cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:08:00 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-133-202.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:48 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-132-27.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:16:20 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:20:02 -!- morris is now known as hyoyoung 02:29:08 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483BB5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:35:48 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:37:18 sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:38:30 -!- maxm- [~user@p84-72.acedsl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:35 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 02:39:09 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@wbs-41-208-207-226.wbs.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:59 Is there any CL package which allows one to select on not just sockets but file descriptors from other sources (such as devices)? 02:41:28 iolib 02:41:46 I'm looking at the docs and I only see socket functions; what am I missing? 02:42:10 I'm pretty sure the internals wrap select, epoll and much more. 02:42:30 they'd have tobut all that seems to be exposed is networking stuff. 02:42:54 pnq [~nick@AC814FAC.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 02:43:06 Ralith: iolib doesn't really have docs 02:43:06 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 02:43:14 -!- Soulman [~knute@175.80-202-238.nextgentel.com] has left #lisp 02:43:18 oh. 02:43:23 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 02:43:24 in that case, does anyone know the answer? 02:43:28 rather 02:43:44 the answer to: how does one use iolib to multiplex reads from non-sockets? 02:43:46 iolib afaik fits what you're looking for on posix 02:44:00 Ralith: I'm sorry, I think you need to check the source 02:44:05 righto 02:44:29 iolib is a project I want to spend some time on in near future 02:44:39 it certainly seems worthy 02:44:47 especially if this win32 port I hear word of goes somewhere. 02:45:11 right now the closest I've been to it was contemplating switching to hu.dwim's web server 02:45:28 Ralith: ... I fear the most win32 iolib talk was from me, so far only theory 02:45:32 from hunchentoot? 02:45:37 Ralith: yeah 02:45:46 the maintainer mentioned someone was working on it 02:45:51 I forget who 02:45:56 oh, goo 02:45:57 *good 02:46:08 I don't have a windows machine handy 02:46:16 may have been referring to your discussion, but iirc he implied code was written 02:46:47 that's good, maybe someone took it further 02:46:50 if my own projects get to the point where it'd matter, I'd certainly contribute. 02:47:05 I hope it uses generic AIO, not winsock's select() 02:47:27 yeah 02:48:20 damn. my today's experiment ended in... failure 02:48:43 nefo [~nefo@unaffiliated/nefo] has joined #lisp 02:49:15 p_l: So... no OSdev? 02:49:54 nyef: no, today's experiment was building a two-node VMScluster 02:49:59 Ahh. 02:50:01 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-71-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 02:50:01 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-71-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 02:50:01 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 02:50:23 I'll work some more on it later 02:51:13 man, iolib is big :/ 02:53:03 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:53:05 can anyone recommend an exoh, there's an examples dir, neat 02:53:13 nyef: I think my mistake was using pcap by two VMs on single interface 02:54:34 nyef: I should have set up two tuntap devices and bridge them 02:55:50 cause I suspect the reason the alpha node didn't boot was because both nodes didn't see each other's DECnet packets 02:55:57 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:59:50 nyef: Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the feedback. 03:00:07 austinh: Good luck with your project, whatever you end up using it for. 03:00:46 p_l: I'm afraid you know far, far more about setting that sort of thing up than I do. 03:00:47 el-maxo [~max@p5DE8C694.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:36 -!- el-maxo_ [~max@p5DE8F531.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06:43 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@222.68.156.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:08:00 heh 03:08:24 looks like I managed to fix my error in configuration with VMS8.4 on alpha... that is,I can login to it :P 03:10:32 Okay, I need to get some sleep. 03:10:36 nyef: I agree with all of your comments. 03:10:39 Good night! 03:10:43 -!- nyef [~nyef@pool-70-109-155-234.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: G'night all.] 03:18:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:18:25 oconnore [~Eric@c-66-31-125-56.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:18:27 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-89-130.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:29 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@67-194-81-70.wireless.umnet.umich.edu] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 03:19:21 -!- cb` [~user@cpe-72-134-23-187.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:13 -!- kennyd [~kennyd@93-136-161-189.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:22:12 kennyd [~kennyd@93-141-16-126.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #lisp 03:22:57 cesarbp [~cbolano@189.247.169.88] has joined #lisp 03:24:23 dsrguru [~dsr@ool-44c78c16.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:25 wtetzner [~wtetzner@c-24-218-217-69.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:25:59 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:27:02 hey guys, I come from a lisp-1 (scheme/racket/clojure), and I decided to learn common lisp today 03:27:03 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:27:20 I like a lot of what I've seen so far, particularly CLOS 03:27:42 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:28:00 I was wondering, and this is a total noob question, but how does one serialize objects? 03:28:09 the reader doesn't appear to work well with CLOS 03:28:11 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:28:27 * lisp-1 background 03:28:42 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:29:09 dsrguru: not with the reader. There are various ways. make-load-form is standard. 03:29:12 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29:40 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:29:43 pkhuong: thanks, there were a ton of persistence libraries I found on google, but there had to be a standard way 03:30:01 It doesn't cover everything, though. 03:30:01 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:32 pkhuong: what does and doesn't it cover? 03:30:55 read the spec. 03:31:17 I'm in the process 03:31:35 I haven't yet found an answer to the former 03:31:38 hba [~hba@189.229.191.31] has joined #lisp 03:32:28 besides no circular dependencies 03:33:28 are the other times when make-load-form doesn't work? 03:33:30 *there 03:34:05 ah, this seems good: http://www.pentaside.org/paper/persistence-lemmens.txt 03:34:36 all right thanks for your help 03:34:37 -!- dsrguru [~dsr@ool-44c78c16.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:36:36 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 03:37:05 -!- phzbOx [~pheze@68.67.68.168] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:37:39 How does CLOS handle diamond-shaped class heirarchies? 03:38:13 -!- timack [~timack@hlfx55-2b-34.ns.sympatico.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:38:33 Ralith: the default handling is written out in AMOP, iirc 03:39:11 well, all I really need to know right now is if there's any weirdness like duplicated slots 03:40:34 manuel_ [~manuel_@pD9FDD840.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 03:40:49 I think it went kinda like DFS 03:41:07 Ralith: no, slots are identified by symbols. 03:41:09 ok, time to get a shower 03:41:18 This isn't C++. We don't confuse inheritance and composition. 03:41:39 good to know! 03:43:50 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 03:44:00 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46:15 askatasuna [~askatasun@190.97.54.87] has joined #lisp 03:46:26 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:49:02 xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has joined #lisp 03:50:23 _6502_ [6d70cfec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.112.207.236] has joined #lisp 03:50:23 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:34 <_6502_> yo 03:50:48 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:50:59 <_6502_> at the airport... leaving for amsterdam :-) 03:51:38 <_6502_> way too early.... I suppose 03:51:39 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:52:10 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 03:52:10 totzeit [~kirkwood@c-24-17-10-251.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 03:54:42 -!- _6502_ [6d70cfec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.112.207.236] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:56:50 _6502_ [6d70cfec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.112.207.236] has joined #lisp 03:57:01 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:57:28 <_6502_> hmmm... seems qweb irc client closes the connection on ipad when you open other tabs 03:58:09 -!- jleija [~jleija@50.8.10.126] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:59:45 ruud_s [~ruud@114.112.47.120] has joined #lisp 04:00:37 Anyone here use lispbuilder-sdl? 04:01:03 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@243-76-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:27 lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.144] has joined #lisp 04:01:28 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01:31 <_6502_> I did 04:01:51 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:01:52 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 04:02:04 Do you know how to clear a specific area of a display? 04:02:32 hmmm, actually... I guess I can do it on my own I think 04:02:33 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:02:55 <_6502_> like drawing a black rectangle you mean? 04:03:01 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 04:03:05 Yeah, basically 04:03:31 I'm used to printing a space, but maybe an image works better 04:03:33 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:54 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 04:04:45 <_6502_> iirc the function is fillrect, but i'not on my pc now and i cannd check 04:04:46 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:03 hmmm, I'll check that 04:05:05 Thanks 04:05:12 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 04:05:42 <_6502_> about to leave for amsterdam... see you there for who's coming to eclm... 04:06:45 -!- _6502_ [6d70cfec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.112.207.236] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:06:46 -!- gaidal 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living 1.5 hours from amsterdam and would love to take a look, but suddendly another resonsibility popped up for tomorrow... 07:55:21 1.5 hours is a lot of hours, definitely too far. 07:55:34 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.115] has left #lisp 07:55:36 *Xach* flew 4000 miles which is too many kms to count 07:56:52 mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.115] has joined #lisp 07:57:23 -!- mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.115] has left #lisp 07:58:04 mikecsh [~mikecsh@203.145.92.115] has joined #lisp 07:58:51 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@2.82.86.27] has quit [Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/] 07:59:33 no, amsterdam is always worth a 1.5 hr trip. 08:00:37 how long are you staying? 08:01:00 I am here until Monday morning. 08:01:13 Short trip. 08:02:20 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:02:22 do you know if the talks are gonna be recorded in some way? 08:03:56 The talks will be recorded and shared unless a speaker opts out by refusing to grant permission. 08:04:09 I do not plan to opt out, so at least one recording will be made and shared. 08:04:27 My talk will probably be the worst, though. Sorry! 08:04:46 *Xach* tries to manage expectatoins 08:05:44 Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has joined #lisp 08:08:22 -!- Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu2.unidsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:10:26 Joreji [~thomas@vpn-eu1.unidsl.de] has joined #lisp 08:11:27 -!- neena [~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:11:48 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-221-173.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 08:12:13 -!- nostoi [~nostoi@131.Red-81-32-247.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 08:12:24 -!- samebchase [~samuel@pi.nipl.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:23 Xach: sorry, that slot is already gone 08:14:02 cpt_nemo_ [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has joined #lisp 08:14:09 *Xach* will fight for it 08:14:37 -!- cpt_nemo [cpt_nemo@rfc1459.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:40 -!- cpt_nemo_ is now known as cpt_nemo 08:19:22 gko [~gko@111.81.136.72] has joined #lisp 08:20:48 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 08:31:08 -!- triliyn [~desmond@76-206-56-151.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:34 -!- H4ns [3ec30258@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.195.2.88] has quit [Quit: updating chrome] 08:38:35 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:56 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 08:39:39 H4ns [3ec30258@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.195.2.88] has joined #lisp 08:39:40 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39:55 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 08:42:43 pspace [~andrew@adsl-76-243-177-231.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 08:45:36 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 08:45:49 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@proxysup.isae.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:07 -!- paul0``` [~user@189.26.135.61.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:50:15 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 08:59:38 How do you aref into a simple-array? SBCL seems pretty unhappy with actually using aref. 08:59:38 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:57 Ralith: aref is the way. 09:00:02 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:00:06 Ralith: how does sbcl express its unhappiness? 09:00:45 derived type of A is (values (simple-array ...) &optional) conflicting with its asserted type vector 09:00:46 _6502_ [511e2361@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.30.35.97] has joined #lisp 09:01:10 The exact message is important. 09:01:12 <_6502_> yo 09:01:56 s/.../(unsigned-byte 8) (lots of asterixes here) 09:02:17 if the exact number of *s is important I can go copypaste it but that would surprise me 09:02:23 <_6502_> 8 bits are enough 09:02:37 <_6502_> :-) 09:02:47 Ralith: that means sbcl thinks it has more than one dimension, but you used only one index argument to aref. 09:02:56 Ralith: where did you get the array? 09:03:01 -!- dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has left #lisp 09:03:23 Xach: this error is in response to a type declaration I've made: (simple-array (unsigned-byte 8) 8) 09:03:29 did I mangle that? 09:03:35 Ralith: that says it has 8 dimensions. 09:03:39 whups. 09:03:40 Ralith: (simple-array (unsigned-byte 8) (8)) 09:03:57 dRbiG [drbig@unhallowed.pl] has joined #lisp 09:03:57 doesn't make-array interpret that as 8 elements? 09:04:01 Ralith: no. 09:04:08 huh. 09:04:11 heard somewhere it did. 09:04:13 *Xach* used to make that mistake but with (simple-array (unsigned-byte 8) *) 09:04:16 *Ralith* fixes 09:04:23 thanks 09:04:49 well, make-array will interpret 8 as (8) in its particular cases, but that's only because "8 unknown dimensions" don't make sense there 09:05:07 ah. 09:05:08 Oh, sorry, yes, make-array. 09:05:16 that would be what confused me then 09:05:29 make-array's first argument is a list designator, which turns a non-list argument into a list of one element (that argument). 09:05:30 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:57 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04d124.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:04 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:06:12 Ralith: i find it useful to define an octet-vector type for that kind of thing, e.g. (deftype octet () '(unsigned-byte 8)) and (deftype octet-vector (&optional size) `(simple-array octet (,size))) 09:07:06 potentially little-known fact: unspecified optional arguments in deftype default to *, not NIL. 09:07:06 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:07:25 that would be useful. 09:07:36 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:07:49 enough that I wonder that it's not part of one of the major utility libs 09:08:29 The deftype? 09:08:29 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:31 Farzad [~root@46.225.96.237] has joined #lisp 09:08:43 it might be, i don't know. 09:09:02 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:09:39 ah. 09:09:39 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:09:47 benkard_ [~benkard@mnch-4d04d124.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 09:10:04 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:11:03 guys why am i getting err 400 with this? (push (create-folder-dispatcher-and-handler "/files/" "/home/farzad/") *dispatch-table*) 09:11:04 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:38 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:12:00 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04d124.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:12:00 -!- benkard_ is now known as benkard 09:12:35 Farzad: what is "err 400"? 09:12:36 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:49 http bad request 09:13:04 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:13:18 when i try this: http://localhost/files/ 09:13:18 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:34 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 09:13:58 marsell [~marsell@120.20.191.7] has joined #lisp 09:14:58 ah never mind, its just that i need to access a file like http://localhost/files/.emacs it wont list the dir 09:18:00 -!- 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sending it off? 12:23:49 s/tada/data/ 12:26:16 eMBee: that's the right way when you know data length in bytes in advance, otherwise adjustable array could be more appropriate. And flexi-streams & babel-streams both provide some higher-level means to your goal (WITH-OUTPUT-TO-SEQUENCE) 12:27:16 ah, ok 12:29:22 eMBee: (babel-streams:with-output-to-sequence (out) (write-string "foo" out) (write-sequence #(1 2 3) out)) ;; babel-streams sets up a bivalent stream by default, where you may mix character and byte output. External-format for character encoding can be specified as well 12:30:27 nice, thanks 12:38:41 killerboy [~mateusz@users69.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:44:31 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 12:45:23 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:45:35 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:08 H4ns [53a376b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.163.118.180] has joined #lisp 12:53:23 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 12:53:39 -!- Euthy [~euthy@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:58:27 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 12:59:41 gorthaur [~Thauron@88-134-184-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 12:59:46 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.35.139] has joined #lisp 13:00:39 -!- gorthaur [~Thauron@88-134-184-212-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 13:04:50 -!- j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04:52 -!- Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:08:29 -!- H4ns [53a376b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.163.118.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:11:18 -!- juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:11:22 ngz [~user@201.144.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has joined #lisp 13:21:17 -!- Demosthenes [~demo@206.180.155.43.adsl.hal-pc.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:23:59 -!- marsell [~marsell@120.20.191.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:24:11 juniorroy [~dima@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 13:31:31 -!- replore_ [~replore@softbank221022058026.bbtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:24 -!- Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:34:26 benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e181.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 13:35:41 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 13:36:32 Brendan_T [~brendan@46.105.251.111] has joined #lisp 13:43:11 -!- xyxu [~xyxu@58.41.14.46] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:44:29 Fade [~fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #lisp 13:45:41 puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has joined #lisp 13:46:17 j_king [~jking@mortar.walled.net] has joined #lisp 13:49:39 airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 13:49:43 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-197.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:51:42 -!- kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:53:19 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:57:28 -!- djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:59:15 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 14:01:52 fantazo_ [~fantazo@178-190-235-197.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #lisp 14:01:52 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:16 gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has joined #lisp 14:03:06 djanatyn [~user@173-13-139-236-sfba.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #lisp 14:04:52 -!- airolson [~airolson@CPE00222d55a738-CM00222d55a735.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 14:05:45 -!- fantazo [~fantazo@91-115-174-42.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:11:56 -!- killerboy is now known as el_superbeasto 14:11:57 -!- gaidal [~gaidal@219.136.213.253] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:13 -!- el_superbeasto is now known as killerboy 14:13:46 kleppari [~spa@bitbucket.is] has joined #lisp 14:14:03 -!- killerboy is now known as braindead 14:14:26 -!- braindead is now known as killerbo 14:14:27 -!- killerbo is now known as killerboy 14:19:12 angel [~quassel@host133-226-dynamic.10-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 14:19:13 dlila [~dlila@72.53.74.234] has joined #lisp 14:19:22 -!- angel is now known as Guest80808 14:19:30 -!- Guest80808 is now known as vincent_quassel 14:19:34 hi 14:21:19 X-Scale [email@sgi-ultra64.broker.freenet6.net] has joined #lisp 14:21:21 -!- vincent_quassel is now known as lisper-weasel 14:21:27 better 14:27:39 really? 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good idea why :) 17:44:22 *francogrex* though there would be noone here today all in Amsterdam smoking joints 17:44:39 Umm... But string isn't a subtype of (array character). 17:45:21 Strings are /vectors/, not arrays. 17:45:24 so the answers given are rubbish ? 17:45:40 nyef: no, that's not the reason 17:46:01 Yeah, still a little rusty. 17:46:35 nyef: do you want to correct the response there because the asker probably chose a bad answer as best answer... 17:46:39 nyef: vector _is_ a subtype of array. If we didn't have (vector nil), that subtypep could return T T for implementations with no separate base-chars 17:46:41 I know that STRING is a UNION type... 17:47:00 -!- knotpine [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:06 or akovalenko anyone who has a subscrition 17:47:21 I don't have an SO account. 17:47:45 I'll post it in your name if you want :) 17:47:49 -!- ignas [~ignas@217067203062.itsa.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:25 I'd expect some implementations to fail here (while it's widely known nowadays that clhs requires (upgraded-array-element-type nil) === nil, iirc it wasn't initially recognized in some CLs) 17:48:47 Undocumented primitive type specifier? What? 17:49:24 francogrex: no account and no interest, sorry. If you repost, you'd better plagiarize fully, assuming full responsibility for further discussion :) or send people to #lisp, maybe :) 17:49:25 sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:49:38 My understanding is that SBCL is the only lisp that actually has (ARRAY NIL) types, because Xof wanted to make a point. 17:50:13 clisp - (subtypep '(vector nil) 'string) => T T 17:50:37 There's definitely a confusion between type specifiers and the actual type of an array. 17:50:45 nyef: maybe SBCL is the only one where such array can be actually _created_, but that's another story than having a type 17:50:53 Okay, sure. 17:51:10 nyef: (upgraded-array-element-type nil) => nil ;; in clisp as well 17:51:46 -!- S1am [~guest@eth-209.20-homell.natm.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:54 nyef: ..and clisp can make such an array, too 17:52:13 Fair enough, then. 17:52:19 so I'm confused... who wrong and who's right ? 17:52:21 -!- rgrinberg [~rudi@24.52.246.61] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:52:34 francogrex: I'm certainly right :) 17:52:55 yes but in what way, compared to the others who gave answers on SO 17:53:29 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 17:54:01 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:54:05 Okay, I'm going to get back to what I was doing to the SBCL build scripts. 17:54:26 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Client Quit] 17:54:32 wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 17:54:57 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 17:55:39 Hrm... Got ahead of myself. Looks like my current build is a pre-commit check of some unwind-to-frame-and-call cleanups. 17:56:23 -!- wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:56:42 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-183-237.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:56:56 francogrex: no correct answer there so far (the requirement of (vector nil) being a subtype of string follows from the standard, even if base-char and character are equivalent in an implementation). 17:59:06 Heh. Remember that recent stretch of non-unicode SBCL builds failing due to a bug in the handling of (ARRAY NIL) in unions of array types? 17:59:17 gffa [~gffa@unaffiliated/gffa] has joined #lisp 18:00:56 akovalenko: I'll post this: Try (subtypep '(vector nil) 'string) in sbcl and other implementations to understand... leave it enigmatic 18:02:33 If I get good points I'll thank you there publicly... 18:03:51 francogrex: you normally don't get any _positive_ points for enigmatic answers like you're going to post :) 18:04:48 well at least I'll tell what's right without caring about the points 18:05:08 francogrex: and CCL gets it wrong :) 18:05:54 hah, the lisp answers there are a disgrace 18:07:41 i think almost anyone here can prove that (u-a-e-t nil) should be nil, but it's T on ClozureCL.. 18:08:48 raise your hand, people who actually care about that discrepancy. 18:09:26 I care (because of the points) 18:11:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:07 It's Clozure CL, I find it hard to care overmuch. 18:11:19 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has joined #lisp 18:12:06 but it's also NIL T in ecl as well (at least the version i have) 18:12:48 I'm still impressed over the (PUSH ... (VALUES ...)) thing having six different wrong results on six different lisps. 18:13:16 (And it's still wrong on SBCL, actually, in one respect.) 18:13:24 nyef: clearly, it's not a use case ever tested. 18:13:54 Where it should be added, is in the ansi-test project, it's used by several implementations. 18:14:14 pjb: The thing of it is, some of the responses are clearly well-thought-out extensions, even though they're wrong. 18:14:22 nyef: (PUSH ... (VALUES ...)) where, do you have a test (shall i see the logs) ? 18:14:38 We shall be uncompromizing on conformance. 18:15:11 francogrex: http://paste.lisp.org/display/125436 18:15:55 francogrex: Current SBCL HEAD does something different, and still wrong, but not detectably wrong by that particular test case. 18:18:41 (PUSH is required to return only one value, but it currently returns all of the values of PLACE.) 18:23:59 jjkola [~jjkola@xdsl-83-150-83-66.nebulazone.fi] has joined #lisp 18:24:07 ignas [~ignas@217067203062.itsa.net.pl] has joined #lisp 18:26:18 josemanuel [~josemanue@26.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 18:33:48 Frozenlock [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:11 antifuchs [~foobar@care.boinkor.net] has joined #lisp 18:34:27 -!- Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has left #lisp 18:35:33 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-014-127.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:36:23 I'm well aware that this is probably the simpliest thing in the world, but I'm quite new to common lisp. I found this little software that I would like to try https://github.com/LiteTabs/CL-CAD. Any advice on how to do that? 18:36:43 The readme says " 18:36:43 To install CL-CAD, unpack the CL-CAD sources, and add them to asdf:*central-registry*: 18:36:44 18:36:44 (push "/path/to/cl-cad/" asdf:*central-registry*)" But.. well I don't really understand :( 18:36:53 -!- ehu [~erik@62.140.137.93] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:28 I have some elisp background, so I understand that I'm adding the path to the central-registry list, but that's about it. 18:38:18 Frozenlock: Which CL implementation are you using? 18:38:39 Gnu common lisp. Binary for windows 18:39:03 Frozenlock: GNU CLISP or GNU Common Lisp? 18:39:21 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~novak/gclwin.html 18:39:45 I ready to change, if it's necessary 18:39:49 *I'm 18:40:14 Whatever you're trying to do, unless it's running maxima, you're probably better off with something else. GNU CLISP is it must be GPL. Otherwise Clozure CL works well on windows. 18:41:05 *Frozenlock* went to get clisp 18:41:20 toki [~toki@151.63.2.171] has joined #lisp 18:41:41 -!- toki [~toki@151.63.2.171] has left #lisp 18:42:10 I can't read the commits, but the readme suggest it's developed under SBCL. 18:43:09 Shouldn't they all be somewhat equivalent? 18:43:25 And the code that only ClozureCL and SBCL are supported. 18:43:42 Frozenlock: only for what's defined in the standard. 18:43:57 Oh, I see 18:44:17 *Frozenlock* now searches for SBCL 18:44:50 EmmanuelOga [~emmanuel@190.244.27.236] has joined #lisp 18:44:54 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:58 On windows, CCL may be a better idea. 18:45:16 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has joined #lisp 18:46:04 Yeah, the sbcl.org page shows "port in progress for windows" 18:46:55 LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 18:49:55 -!- ngz [~user@201.144.80.79.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:50:54 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:51:13 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-020-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 18:51:18 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has joined #lisp 18:54:49 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.207.166] has joined #lisp 18:55:58 "At the moment, the 32-bit Clozure CL does not run under 64-bit Windows." Nooooooo 18:56:19 Perhaps it's time I make *the change* 18:57:04 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:24 Oh wait, it seems to work... 18:57:25 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has joined #lisp 18:58:21 xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has joined #lisp 18:59:04 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-020-047.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:01:33 Cloud__ [~cbolano@187.193.211.53] has joined #lisp 19:01:45 AIUI, the 32-bit CCL doesn't work on 64-bit windows, but there is a separate 64-bit CCL. 19:02:45 I thought they fixed that recently. 19:03:00 -!- cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.207.166] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:03:47 -!- sellout [~Adium@c-98-245-162-253.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:05:05 -!- josemanuel [~josemanue@26.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 19:06:55 -!- Cloud__ [~cbolano@187.193.211.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:08:41 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.203.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:15 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-031-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 19:10:48 -!- parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:09 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 19:12:35 parabolize [~gyro@c-75-71-247-61.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 19:15:01 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:25 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 19:18:52 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 19:19:19 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Client Quit] 19:19:23 DaDaDosPrompt [~DaDaDosPr@184.99.13.214] has joined #lisp 19:19:37 ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has joined #lisp 19:21:20 I don't know if they fixed it, but at least historically it was the case. 19:22:05 kpavn [~kpavn@77.41.103.59] has joined #lisp 19:22:39 Ok, now I have a my command window running with lisp running it it. I might use emacs and slime later, but for now can I run the software direcly? 19:23:02 -!- schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-031-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:23:27 Yes. 19:29:25 -!- tsuru [~charlie@adsl-74-179-28-14.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:55 uhh, i started clim-listener with cmucl and sbcl, after a while i created a png file and loaded it in the sbcl interpreter, and after a while waiting my konsole prompt from where i started the listener tells me something about unprocessed client message, however natural maybe that seems, the thing is i get the same message withing the cmucl's interpreter too, tho only one png image in only one listener of the sbcl interpreter was 19:32:55 loaded, so why is the same message getting even onto another process ?? 19:33:46 the image was loaded in the listener started from sbcl, the listener from cmucl was never loaded an image.... 19:34:51 gtk_load_iconthemes is the type of the message 19:39:08 -!- wbooze` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:39:25 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:42:17 homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:43:00 wbooze [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-131-206.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 19:44:17 -!- doritos [~joshua@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:44:44 manuel___ [~manuel_@pD9FDDDEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 19:46:38 -!- manuel___ is now known as manuel_ 19:50:13 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:49 -!- dlila [~dlila@72.53.74.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:30 dlila [~dlila@72.53.74.234] has joined #lisp 19:56:39 -!- _danb_ [~user@124-149-162-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:57:33 -!- Frozenlock [~user@cable-quebec-15.246.173-179.electronicbox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59:35 -!- ISF [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:59:58 -!- ISF_ [~ivan@201.82.133.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:37 dnolen [~davidnole@71.249.142.141] has joined #lisp 20:06:48 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-210-187-81.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:32 -!- Bike [~Glossina@71-38-159-71.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: restarting.] 20:16:38 S1am [~guest@eth-209.20-homell.natm.ru] has joined #lisp 20:23:59 -!- kpavn [~kpavn@77.41.103.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:24:59 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:45 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:01 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:17 Bike [~Glossina@71-38-159-71.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:31 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:29:36 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:36 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:32:11 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 20:32:17 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:18 -!- realitygrill_ is now known as realitygrill 20:34:15 madnificent [~user@83.101.8.122] has joined #lisp 20:34:45 rme [~rme@195-3-178-181.netaffairsdsl.nl] has joined #lisp 20:35:59 -!- drdo` is now known as drdo 20:39:29 The 32-bit Windows version of Clozure CL (as of release 1.7) does in fact run on 64-bit Windows, by the way. 20:39:54 rme: wasn't that expected? 20:40:12 It didn't always. 20:40:59 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:42:01 *rme* finishes kibozing. 20:42:06 oh 20:43:45 -!- puchacz_ [~puchacz@87-194-5-99.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:27 -!- benkard [~benkard@mnch-4d04e181.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: benkard] 21:01:05 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.149.2] has joined #lisp 21:01:18 doritos [~joshua@c-76-118-155-244.hsd1.ct.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:01:33 does something like push exist, but which adds the element to the end of the list? 21:02:26 madnificent: not built in to CL. 21:03:14 thanks Xach 21:03:17 how's eclm? 21:05:35 As the dutch say, "It is very good" 21:07:18 LoL, translates "Het is heel goed" :-) 21:07:31 No, they say it in English. The Dutch are nice that way. 21:08:09 especially in the Netherlands, in Flanders it's a tad less so 21:11:47 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.34.149.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:25 madnificent: (appendf list-place (list new-element)) 21:12:33 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.149.2] has joined #lisp 21:12:35 -!- dlila [~dlila@72.53.74.234] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:12:52 madnificent: appendf is found in alexandria and in clhs define-modify-macro. 21:13:06 You may also want to use nconcf instead. 21:14:41 pjb: guess i'll start including alexandria :) 21:16:22 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-223-193.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:44 -!- nha [~prefect@5-74.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:17:36 -!- Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:18:21 triyo [~triyo@197.111.107.64] has joined #lisp 21:18:21 Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has joined #lisp 21:18:23 -!- xcv [~xcv@dsl-225-28.hive.is] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:43 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.34.149.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:19:43 when I eval this: (setq *cont* #'identity) in my REPL, I get a warning, "undefined variable: *CONT*". Why is this the case? 21:20:12 triyo: because you haven't created it :) 21:20:26 Because you haven't defined *CONT* as a variable. 21:20:27 triyo: use (defparameter *cont* #'identity) to avoid the warning :) 21:20:44 great. :) *blind* 21:20:55 Technically, you've invoked undefined behavior, and the implementation is free to exec angband. 21:21:33 I haven't been programing in CL for some time and I picked up OnLisp again and just ran some sample code.. 21:21:50 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.188.209.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:21:54 http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/paulgraham/onlisp.lisp 21:22:04 Historically, of course, all of the tutorials and books just used SETQ or SETF, and nobody really noticed that it was disallowed by the spec. 21:22:24 nyef: you're serious, right? 21:22:24 hehe, though it might be that :) 21:22:32 Oh, and using SETQ is typically discouraged in current styles, in favor of SETF. 21:22:34 *thought 21:22:46 theBlackDragon [~dragon@213.219.153.125.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:47 i thought i noticed such use in OnLisp as well, but assumed i was missing something obvious 21:23:25 I remember doing this few years back but in Clozure, and don't recall any warnings :) 21:23:31 madnificent: I'm serious. Find any lisp book older than PCL, and possibly even PCL for all I remember, and you'll see using SETF or SETQ on undefined variables at toplevel. 21:23:36 I'm on SBCL now 21:23:44 Yeah, SBCL likes to pick nits. 21:24:14 (Makes the situation with PUSH to a VALUES-place even worse, really. How did that get missed?) 21:24:43 nyef: i think the PCL did it correctly 21:25:02 Probably did, I just couldn't be bothered checking. 21:25:14 nyef: I had thought that using setq to define variables was allowed in some prior version of CL, or maybe a predecessor like zetalisp. 21:25:20 that's what i assumed and why i said it :) 21:25:39 -!- hakzsam [~hakzsam@aqu33-5-82-245-96-206.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:51 Bike: Sure. The tutorials had to get that idea from somewhere, after all. 21:26:25 There's only two versions of the CL standard, though, so it should be easy to check to see if it was ever legal in CL. 21:26:38 Adlai [~adlai@unaffiliated/adlai] has joined #lisp 21:26:47 Almost certainly was legal in ZetaLisp or MACLisp, though. 21:27:11 But then, neither of the latter two had real standards, just "whatever was implemented". 21:27:21 right. okay. 21:28:03 -!- rme [~rme@195-3-178-181.netaffairsdsl.nl] has left #lisp 21:36:22 -!- lnostdal_ [~Lars@ti0030a380-dhcp0111.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:36:27 ehu [~ehuels@109.37.234.102] has joined #lisp 21:40:47 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-69-201-186-74.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 21:41:31 waveman [~tim@124.170.43.134] has joined #lisp 21:42:48 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.37.234.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:25 -!- Blkt [~user@dynamic-adsl-62-10-9-201.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [Quit: cya] 21:45:59 -!- wtetzner 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has joined #lisp 23:11:30 -!- katesmith [~katesmith@75-138-199-162.static.snfr.nc.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:11:30 katesmith [~katesmith@unaffiliated/costume] has joined #lisp 23:20:49 I have two (unsigned-byte 8)s representing a signed 16-bit integer. How can I convert them into this form? 23:21:38 that is 23:21:59 how can I convert them into a CL number of whatever repr 23:22:23 -!- lutok [~luckystok@ip98-169-240-101.dc.dc.cox.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 23:23:05 -!- lemoinem [~swoog@216.252.79.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:23:23 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 23:23:31 Euthydemus [~euthydemu@unaffiliated/euthydemus] has joined #lisp 23:23:36 lemoinem [~swoog@148-91-252-216.dsl.colba.net] has joined #lisp 23:24:19 Ralith: depends on what the byte mean. For instance, you could (+ (ash x 8) y). 23:24:57 two's complement encoding, I think 23:25:07 that's what I'm currently doing and it mangles negatives. 23:25:52 basically, it's data that's meant for a C program to just cram straight into memory, but this isn't a C program so I can't do that 23:26:31 as far as I know, anyway. 23:26:36 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:54 realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:30:01 if greater than #x7fff, subtraxt #x10000 23:35:01 -!- Oddity [~Oddity@unaffiliated/oddity] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39:45 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:07 realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.132.175] has joined #lisp 23:41:00 cesarbp [~cbolano@187.193.242.167] has joined #lisp 23:41:38 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@76.226.132.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:39 realitygrill_ [~realitygr@adsl-76-226-132-175.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 23:43:14 Ralith: http://common-lisp.net/gitweb?p=users/abridgewater/perry.git;a=blob;f=fileutils.lisp;h=768f6faa119574711046d4a470bbc21ec6fc33a8;hb=88bb139ebdc19a53f51ae38640bcb48e11bb53fc;js=1 contains some code that I've been using for dealing with extracting various integer types from a ub-8 vector. 23:45:23 handy, thanks 23:47:05 Mmm. I find it convenient to keep around, but easy enough to rewrite from scratch when necessary. 23:47:36 -!- knotpliny [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:03 Okay, DATA-SECTION required some cleverness, and I clean forgot about the file structure stuff. 23:50:16 -!- njan [~james@freenode/staff/njan] has left #lisp 23:54:08 -!- LiamH [~healy@pool-108-45-22-54.washdc.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:54:34 kpreid [~kpreid@128.153.212.239] has joined #lisp 23:57:23 les [les@unaffiliated/les] has joined #lisp