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Except I'm the world's slowest editor. 03:40:21 your own work? 03:40:34 Peter Norvig's. 03:40:49 It'd be easy if it was just mine because then I could slash and burn whatever I felt like. 03:41:05 oh, nice 03:41:17 AIMA 4th edition? 03:41:38 Heh, no. An article for Code Quarterly. 03:41:45 :) 03:41:48 Another take on his Sudoku solver thing. 03:42:21 On an unrelated note, today while watching the kids I managed to implement long division in Lisp. 03:42:22 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA23C71.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Client Quit] 03:43:46 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.130.28] has joined #lisp 03:44:23 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-220-99.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:49:28 Evanescence [~chris@122.237.32.85] has joined #lisp 03:49:32 syrinx_ [~syrinx_@unaffiliated/syrinx-/x-4255893] has joined #lisp 03:55:18 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 03:56:26 -!- brandwe [~brandwe@c-71-227-176-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57:15 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 04:06:12 -!- wedgeV [~wedge@cpe-74-66-9-78.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: wedgeV] 04:09:50 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.130.28] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 04:10:00 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:12:11 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 04:14:36 -!- Hundenn [~Hunden@e180103248.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:14:47 -!- setmeaway [~setmeaway@183.106.96.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:55 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 04:18:04 Hunden [~Hunden@e180103227.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:18:11 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:19:10 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-154-127.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 04:29:39 pnq [~nick@AC81270D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 04:30:01 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:31:36 benny [~benny@i577A8325.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 04:34:16 sanjoyd [~sanjoyd@unaffiliated/sanjoyd] has joined #lisp 04:41:53 -!- prip [~foo@host75-123-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:50:55 -!- Harag [~Harag@dsl-242-254-64.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:55:05 -!- emacs-dwim [~user@cpe-74-78-241-181.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:34 prip [~foo@host149-125-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 04:58:33 -!- kslt1` [~user@netblock-208-127-156-174.dslextreme.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:39 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 05:00:12 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:02:26 -!- _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:03:04 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-lukzauqiveveglsh] has joined #lisp 05:07:59 _root_ [~Scalable@li252-14.members.linode.com] has joined #lisp 05:12:22 optikalmouse [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176322271.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #lisp 05:12:36 does it make sense to use contracts with CL? 05:13:10 I'm looking for a design-by-contract library, mostly because I remembered Racket/PLT-Scheme had those, and I'm curious as to whether they're useful for Common Lisp programming 05:13:38 optikalmouse: http://www.cliki.net/DBC 05:13:46 srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 05:13:46 -!- srid [~srid@S010678ca39ff0146.vn.shawcable.net] has quit [Changing host] 05:13:46 srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has joined #lisp 05:15:18 Bike: looks confusing! ;p 05:15:34 I don't know a thing about design by contract, but that's there. 05:16:44 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16:45 true enough, hm ok, I'll see if I need it all first heh 05:18:15 -!- confab [~ubuntu@c-24-10-60-185.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:18:46 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 05:23:38 taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 05:23:43 -!- MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:20 realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 05:40:57 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:42:44 -!- areil [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:44:16 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 05:46:24 -!- serichse` is now known as serichsen 06:03:49 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 06:07:04 areil [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has joined #lisp 06:07:22 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-89.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 06:11:42 Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 06:15:12 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-133.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 06:15:47 spark_ [~spark@123.147.247.114] has joined #lisp 06:17:38 REPLeffect [~REPLeffec@69.54.115.254] has joined #lisp 06:18:08 ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #lisp 06:20:17 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has joined #lisp 06:20:17 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has quit [Changing host] 06:20:17 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:26:22 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:27:16 flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has joined #lisp 06:27:16 -!- flip214 [~marek@2001:858:107:1:7a2b:cbff:fed0:c11c] has quit [Changing host] 06:27:16 flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has joined #lisp 06:30:11 Good morning! 06:30:37 -!- ehu [~ehuels@ip118-64-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:35:49 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Quit: brb] 06:39:33 -!- hussaibi_ [hussaibi@user241-81.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:39:33 -!- hussaibi [~hussaibi@user241-81.wireless.utoronto.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:39:38 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 06:42:36 hi 06:42:57 -!- fatblueduck [~cdepauw@bootes.dreamhost.com] has left #lisp 06:43:00 hows it going? 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linefeed? 07:01:18 yes 07:01:18 -!- Ginei_Morioka [~irssi_log@65.49.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:01:45 -!- ph1234k [~ph1234k@ip72-209-135-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:01:45 ph1234k [~ph1234k@unaffiliated/ph1234k] has joined #lisp 07:02:36 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-133.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:02:41 then (read-line) is appropriate 07:03:50 BTW, does anyone know of something like perl's $/ (INPUT_RECORD_SEPARATOR) in lisp? So that (read-record :sep "~%") would be (read-line), etc 07:03:53 -!- cfy__ [~cfy@123.155.196.94] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:04:53 i will use read-line on each line 07:05:33 -!- ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:06:45 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 07:08:01 vaaal [~vaaal@host3-36-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 07:08:11 yyyyo 07:09:28 insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-90-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 07:09:29 -!- insomnia1alt [~milan@port-92-204-90-27.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Changing host] 07:09:29 insomnia1alt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has joined #lisp 07:10:16 ecraven [~user@140.78.42.213] has joined #lisp 07:12:37 -!- insomniaSalt [~milan@unaffiliated/iammilan] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:12:37 -!- insomnia1alt is now known as insomniaSalt 07:14:10 flip214: split-sequence or CL-PCRE? 07:19:06 -!- Vivitron` [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:44 -!- fatblueduck [~cdepauw@bootes.dreamhost.com] has left #lisp 07:22:06 -!- vaaal [~vaaal@host3-36-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:24:42 -!- ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 07:25:43 Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 07:27:41 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:28:16 hi 07:28:31 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-78-65.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29:21 p_l|backup: no, not in memory ... reading until delimiter found, to avoid having to have everything in memory 07:31:13 e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-cxwrmswynxfiyqwx] has joined #lisp 07:31:19 just curious , do you see Odd Ram usage by your linux (Ubuntu desktop) systems (a random behavior) ? 07:34:53 Night-hacks: is that memory usage reported by /proc/{kpagecount,kpageflage} etc? 07:35:19 because there are lies, damn lies, statistics, and linux's top 07:36:14 p_l|backup: my ram becomes full 07:36:19 and top shows nothing 07:36:34 Night-hacks: are you reading large files? 07:36:45 in fact im doing nothing !!! 07:37:04 and how do you detect that your "ram becomes full"? 07:37:19 i see it in $free 07:37:27 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-154-127.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:37:28 also swap shows it 07:38:35 Night-hacks: any other problems? i mean, do you have a real problem or do you just wonder why the display shows less memory available than what you would expect? 07:39:22 aerique [310225@xs8.xs4all.nl] has joined #lisp 07:39:36 H4ns: yeah, it's a real problem 07:39:47 Night-hacks: how? 07:39:55 i have low ram on this machine 07:40:04 there is no other choice yet 07:40:14 and ive used it for 3 month 07:40:16 mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:40:28 no problem i've had 07:41:02 but suddenly its going wrong 07:41:18 i know ram usage of this machine bit by bit !!! 07:41:21 cfy__ [~cfy@123.158.245.8] has joined #lisp 07:41:55 Night-hacks: i would suggest nmon (http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-analyze_aix/) to help you find the problem, but you fail to say what the problem actually is. 07:43:32 beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-12-116.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 07:44:45 do you think it can be from kernel ? 07:45:02 i don't think anything. 07:45:05 trigen [c1aca602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.172.166.2] has joined #lisp 07:47:22 *p_l|backup* points out that without accessing detailed info no one can help 07:47:49 it could be anything, including memory leak in OS<->GPU interaction 07:47:57 (curse you, Intel!) 07:48:32 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-186-167.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 07:49:15 yes 07:50:23 ASau [~user@176.14.33.178] has joined #lisp 07:52:49 can i see kernel mem usage ? 07:53:15 did you try nmon yet? 07:53:34 yeah 07:53:49 i see just 17MB free of my ram ! 07:56:00 Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 07:57:03 curious_corn [~ecausaran@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has joined #lisp 07:57:44 Night-hacks: ... how much of ram is in buffer cache? 07:57:59 just 4MB 07:58:27 paste `free -m` output somewhere 07:59:11 http://paste.ubuntu.com/658496/ 07:59:57 so... ~90% memory usage... not that bad 08:00:15 Is there any way to execute a bit of arbitrary code in the process of loading an ASDF system? 08:00:46 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:00:48 Night-hacks: drop the caches, reload swap, and maybe restart whatever web browser you have open :) 08:01:00 p_l|backup: but i've still started nothing yet 08:01:13 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.55.156] has joined #lisp 08:01:24 Night-hacks: show me `ps aux` 08:02:39 -!- cfy__ is now known as bfrepl 08:03:22 http://paste.ubuntu.com/658499/ 08:03:28 see no one is using RAM !!! 08:03:37 -!- bfrepl is now known as cfy__ 08:04:49 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 08:05:12 ... remove Chrome and firefox, and your system would have more running than mine. Srsly, wtf Ubuntu? that's a shitload of stuff running 08:05:40 Night-hacks: i am kind of puzzled by your claim that "no one is using RAM" 08:05:56 this is #lisp, right? 08:06:01 Night-hacks: did you add up the values of the rss column at all? 08:06:08 madnificent: oh. now that you say it. 08:06:33 H4ns: just meant ps aux output, no app is using RAM seriously 08:06:46 just 0.4 percent or more 08:07:03 H4ns: no 08:07:16 Night-hacks: as madnificent rightly pointed out, you are off topic. also, you failed to describe your problem other than claiming that you don't have enough ram. do you understand virtual memory at all? 08:07:29 madnificent: ok. i'm stopping here! :) 08:07:46 H4ns: go ahead, I don't really mind :) 08:07:59 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.55.156] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 08:08:52 regardless, of memory issues. does anyone know the author of cl-svg is on irc somewhere? he doesn't seem te reply to his email address and i could use some basic help as i need to modify the library slightly 08:09:11 H4ns: but it's not related to Virtual Mem ! 08:09:20 Night-hacks: it si 08:09:23 *it is 08:09:28 this machine used to work properly for 3 month ! 08:09:30 Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 08:09:43 Night-hacks: and now? 08:09:52 and now its going wrong 08:09:58 Night-hacks: how? 08:10:25 it claims if you want new ram use Swap ! 08:10:55 Night-hacks: "it claims"? 08:11:11 i personally talk about computers as human ! 08:11:29 sorry for bad english ! 08:11:47 you have two databases, at least one of them gathering data, running. You have a rather heavyweight desktop environment running, along with some of the more misguided software (policykit, consolekit, pulseaudio, etc) 08:12:20 Night-hacks: the key point is: you have not told us what your problem actually is. what are you trying to do, how does it fail? 08:12:27 Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-189-112.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 08:13:29 H4ns: just want to start daily programs but system starts to swapping and becomes really slow 08:13:46 can I use RETURN-FROM ? Do people really use that ? 08:13:50 Night-hacks: and you're asking for a solution on #lisp because? 08:13:52 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:13:59 kushal: what would be the problem? 08:14:38 madnificent, no problem, just asking to make sure that I am writing the code in the correct way 08:14:43 madnificent: i just asked people if they see Odd behavior (on ram usage) on linux machines while developing 08:14:55 kushal: you should not use it, unless you really must (i.e. unless it really improves the readability of your code) 08:15:26 Night-hacks: i see slowness on machines that don't have enough ram, yes. 08:15:50 H4ns, ah, then generally how people make sure that a function returns in a if-else block in the middle of some code ? 08:15:51 Night-hacks: so, if we all answer 'no' then you'll ask on #ubuntu? 08:16:05 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 08:16:11 thanks for helps 08:16:37 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:16:40 -!- Intensity [1x1OYOPeDn@unaffiliated/intensity] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17:07 kushal: often, there are other solutions to structuring your code. but i'm not saying that RETURN-FROM is bad. it is just that i rarely use it. 08:17:16 H4ns, ok 08:17:26 kushal: and what H4ns said goes for any other feature in lisp :) a fair question though. and even better advise. it's uncommon, but it's valuable from time to time. 08:17:53 madnificent, ok, I never saw people using it anywhere , thats why I asked 08:18:00 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 08:18:45 kushal: smart 08:18:55 kushal: i rarely use TAGBODY/GO, but sometimes i do. it is in the same class of constructs, i.e. it changes control flow in a non-linear manner and taxes the human reader. 08:19:33 H4ns, ok 08:19:40 madnificent, hehe 08:20:24 i sometimes (rarely, but still) use it in a nested named loop 08:20:25 madnificent, and other obvious reason : I am a new lisper than every else here :) 08:21:44 srcerer_ [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has joined #lisp 08:22:05 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has joined #lisp 08:22:56 daniel_ [~daniel@p5B326BB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 08:23:27 -!- Harag [~Harag@dsl-242-254-64.telkomadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:23:46 -!- zakwilson [~quassel@chat.qniformchat.com] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 08:23:51 zakwilson [~quassel@chat.qniformchat.com] has joined #lisp 08:23:51 Elench`` [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has joined #lisp 08:23:56 DelPuerto [~youguy@22.89.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 08:24:10 -!- Elench [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:24:36 -!- srcerer [~chatzilla@dns2.klsairexpress.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:25:22 -!- daniel___ [~daniel@p5B3267E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:26:18 -!- Elench`` [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:52 hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:26:59 Elench`` [~user@unaffiliated/elench] has joined #lisp 08:29:10 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@22.89.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:19 steevy [~steevy@91-67-216-153-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 08:30:22 jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has joined #lisp 08:30:26 -!- steevy [~steevy@91-67-216-153-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Client Quit] 08:31:13 -!- Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 08:33:57 -!- Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 08:34:59 c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-gljmjgntalhbstmn] has joined #lisp 08:37:17 Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 08:40:07 -!- brandwe [~brandwe@c-71-227-176-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:41:26 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.35] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41:26 Is there any way to get ASDF to evaluate some arbitrary code before loading a particular file as part of a system, or any way to do something analogous? 08:43:21 zfx [~zfx@host86-166-117-115.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 08:43:21 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-166-117-115.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:43:21 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 08:44:29 Ralith: .asd files are LOADed, so you can put stuff there. 08:45:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@78.185.216.43] has joined #lisp 08:45:10 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@78.185.216.43] has quit [Changing host] 08:45:10 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 08:45:35 Ralith: obiously, you cannot rely on other system and packages to already exist, and you also need to cater for the possibility of multiple loads. 08:45:58 H4ns: I don't want it to be loaded before/after the system, I want it to be loaded before a specific component of the system, but after others. 08:46:03 s/loaded/evaluated/ 08:46:22 tfb [~tfb@80.238.0.145] has joined #lisp 08:47:13 Ralith: i'm not sure if i understand. the compile and load order is normally determined by :serial or explicit dependencies. does that not fill your need? 08:48:46 Ralith: ah, i think i understand. no, there is no general evaluation mechanism in asdf to my knowledge. you either have to do it in the files that your system consists of, or write an asdf extension if you insist on doing it in your system declaration. 08:50:46 ah well. 08:51:14 H4ns: I didn't want to stick it in the top level of the actual file, as it should really only be evaluated once 08:52:44 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has left #lisp 08:57:03 -!- Salamander_ is now known as Salamander 08:57:08 Ralith: you can define your own component class, and write :before/:after methods for those 08:57:41 a bit overkill 08:58:56 you don't even need a component class for that, i think 08:59:25 it may be sufficient to just define a asdf:perform :before method for asdf:load-op 08:59:52 Ralith: see https://github.com/hanshuebner/bknr-datastore/blob/master/src/bknr.datastore.asd#L42 09:02:39 sometimes it takes a question from someone to remind me how great clos actually is :) 09:03:34 oh H4ns right, thanks for building bknr.datastore :) 09:03:52 H4ns: yes, it took me this long to lay that connection 09:04:04 madnificent: glad you enjoy it. 09:04:29 dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:06:35 -!- beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-12-116.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:02 Hundenn [~Hunden@e180096169.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 09:07:40 -!- dto [~user@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 09:10:00 -!- Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 09:10:39 mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-134-0-232.monradsl.monornet.hu] has joined #lisp 09:11:00 -!- Hunden [~Hunden@e180103227.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:12:03 H4ns: noted, thanks 09:16:42 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:44 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 09:16:46 -!- Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:03 zfx- [~zfx@host86-166-117-115.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 09:18:39 -!- optikalmouse [~user@bas1-toronto07-1176322271.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:19:56 rstandy [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 09:20:00 -!- realitygrill [~realitygr@c-24-5-7-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: realitygrill] 09:25:44 -!- neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:28:16 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-228-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 09:35:29 Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 09:39:32 dstatyvka [ejabberd@pepelaz.jabber.od.ua] has joined #lisp 09:43:30 -!- areil [148b9232@gateway/web/freenode/ip.20.139.146.50] has quit [] 09:44:09 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.14.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:45:34 -!- Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 09:48:05 -!- cods [~cods@tuxee.net] has quit [Changing host] 09:48:05 cods [~cods@rsbac/developer/cods] has joined #lisp 09:55:07 -!- Joreji [~thomas@83-096.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:11 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:56:34 setmeaway [stemearay@183.106.96.61] has joined #lisp 09:56:37 Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:57:28 beach [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-12-116.w92-149.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 09:59:11 -!- Davidbrcz_ [~david@ANantes-151-1-189-112.w2-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:06:03 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:06:43 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 10:06:55 how do i capture standard output? 10:07:24 i.e. i want ah wait 10:07:33 http://cl-cookbook.sourceforge.net/io.html#redir 10:07:34 :) 10:07:50 heh 10:09:20 -!- pnq [~nick@AC81270D.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:10:06 ah, with-output-to-string 10:10:51 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 10:10:58 -!- Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:05 SuChek [~SuChek@unaffiliated/suchek] has joined #lisp 10:13:52 hi,how can output a hexdemical like C, printf("%x\n",-1),can format do this ? 10:14:17 *print-base* 10:16:26 cfy__: (format t "~X~%" -1) 10:17:12 cfy__: perhaps you want (format t "~X~%" (logand #xff -1)) 10:17:18 pjb: i don't want -1, i want ffffffff like C 10:17:26 cfy__: perhaps you want (format t "~X~%" (logand #xffffffff -1)) 10:17:32 leo2007 [~leo@123.114.55.156] has joined #lisp 10:18:16 Is it possible to re-open a slime repl buffer if the swank server is provided by a inferior lisp process? 10:18:25 pjb: thx,i may use most-postive-fixnum :) 10:19:19 leo2007: If you pass :dont-close t to swank:create-server it will not close after you disconnect 10:22:20 cfy__: perhaps you didn't read Message-ID: <87pqkoxi7w.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> 10:22:45 cfy__: I don't see how most-positive-fixnum is of any relevance, but then I don't know what you know. 10:23:18 pjb: message-id? in maillist? 10:23:33 Usenet. 10:23:56 Harag [~Harag@dsl-242-254-64.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 10:24:00 pjb: dose most-positiv-fixnum equal 2^x-1 ? 10:24:15 drdo: it seems the swank server by inferior lisp always closes it. 10:25:03 leo2007: You can always just create it from lisp and use slime-connect 10:25:11 ok 10:26:15 cfy__: Nothing in the standard says so. All we know, is that most-positive-fixnum >= 2^15. 10:26:19 pnq [~nick@AC816CCD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 10:26:57 drdo: I was wrong, I need to make sure the form to start swank server have :dont-close set to t 10:28:41 pjb: oh,got it.so most-postive-fixnum is not equal LONG_MAX 10:29:35 misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has joined #lisp 10:30:09 Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 10:32:32 -!- aoh [~aki@85.23.168.123] has quit [Quit: poof] 10:35:13 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 10:39:30 drdo: any idea how to have two slime repl buffers connected to the same inferior swank server? 10:39:56 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has joined #lisp 10:41:55 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 10:42:40 leo2007: use (swank:create-server :port 4005 :dont-close t), then slime-connect to that swank from multiple emacsen 10:43:22 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43:26 multiple connections Just Work(TM) 10:43:31 even from the same emacs 10:43:46 H4ns: yes, I have that working already. I am running the Kawa swank server, which is better started as an inferior emacs process. Hence my question. 10:43:58 leo2007: ah, ok. 10:45:26 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 10:45:35 alama [~jessealam@n138138.science.ru.nl] has joined #lisp 10:48:47 -!- Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:49:02 -!- curious_corn [~ecausaran@84-53-64-50.adsl.unet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:47 damingeay [~damingeay@108-69-249-57.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 10:50:10 -!- damingeay [~damingeay@108-69-249-57.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Client Quit] 10:50:41 -!- benny [~benny@i577A8325.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:47 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:56 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.119.222] has joined #lisp 10:55:44 H4ns` [~user@p4FFC9BF4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:57:32 Yuuhi [benni@p5483BBC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 10:59:10 -!- ASau [~user@176.14.33.178] has quit [Quit: off] 10:59:25 -!- H4ns [~user@p4FFC84D4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:59:46 is there any other webapp using clsql-fluid whose code I can find ? 10:59:58 -!- H4ns` is now known as H4ns 11:01:43 kushal: no idea about that. which database do you need access to? 11:02:40 kushal: did you look at https://github.com/jwr/weblocks-jwr 11:02:51 hypno, mysql, yesterday many people here helped me but I failed to do simultaneous access to the db from a webapp :( 11:03:40 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-89.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 11:03:51 H4ns, yes, that is only example I found and have to admit many things went above my head :( 11:04:05 kushal: why don't you try to make it work first? 11:04:14 kushal: use a lock, make progress, worry about performance later. 11:04:35 benny [~benny@i577A8325.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 11:04:40 H4ns, to make it work, I moved my data to sqlite , so the users are happy 11:05:07 H4ns, now trying to come back to the yesterday's issue 11:05:18 if you're free to move, consider postgresql. postmodern is one of the better db libraries out there. 11:06:39 it's not hard these days to wrap up the stuff you need in cffi and do the stuff yourself either (i do this with oracle)... 11:06:52 hypno, I am not :( that is why I have to move from sqllite to mysql 11:07:16 gilligan_ [~gilligan@p4FEA4FD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:16 mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 11:08:16 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 11:08:16 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 11:08:33 SuChek_ [~SuChek@unaffiliated/suchek] has joined #lisp 11:08:54 kushal: ok. so just do what H4ns said then. if the underlying C-lib isn't thread safe, you need to take care of it yourself. 11:09:42 hypno, in C I can create different connection objects to the mysql and use them in various threads 11:10:09 hypno, that worked in another python app I wrote where the backend is a python module written in C 11:11:57 well, python has big lock. afaik, it can not do parralellism properly with threads at least. 11:12:21 -!- SuChek [~SuChek@unaffiliated/suchek] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:12:39 hypno, true 11:12:58 kushal: i'm pretty sure that you can impress your coworkers more by implementing actual functionality rather than wrestling with problems that may well turn out not to be problems in the end. 11:13:16 H4ns, yes 11:13:27 H4ns, I implemented the service and it is up 11:13:43 now to put in servers, I need to move the db to mysql 11:18:17 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-nennxhgsovqxkvwm] has left #lisp 11:20:03 hypno: That's cpyton. 11:20:10 er, cpython. 11:20:15 The GIL isn't mandatory. 11:20:28 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.152.185] has joined #lisp 11:20:33 vaaal [~vaaal@host3-36-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #lisp 11:20:43 Zhivago: ah, right. Jython is better in that regard? 11:20:50 No idea. 11:21:29 JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:21:36 hi 11:21:51 our yesterday conversation make me think about the design of a neural network 11:22:11 Sounds like an improvement. 11:22:16 so since you guys have for sure more experience then me, i would an advice about this thing 11:22:19 yep, zhivago 11:22:31 btw, i've seen that change that array into a list was really simple 11:22:46 so 11:22:52 since now 11:23:07 my code organize the connection into a slot of each neuron 11:23:34 dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:23:44 so neuron1 ha a slot "forward connection" (forwc), a list with all the neuron connect to neuron1 and the weight of each connection. 11:23:52 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 11:24:04 Obviously each neuron also a slot "backward connection" as well. 11:24:15 How this design seems to you 11:24:16 ? 11:24:42 Was that a design? 11:24:56 is a way to organize the connection 11:24:59 :-) 11:25:22 Having forward and backward connections sounds good if you're going to use them. 11:25:37 sure 11:25:42 the problem here 11:25:57 and i ask an advice about this, maybe isn't a real problem and i'm missing something 11:26:12 -!- pnq [~nick@AC816CCD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:26:24 for instance, n1 and n2 are connected. 11:26:44 When i change the weight of n1->n2 connection, i've to change two slot 11:26:55 the backw connection of n2 and forw connection of n1. 11:26:59 this seems pretty ugly to me. 11:27:19 :-\ 11:27:23 how do you see this? 11:27:31 vaaal: perhaps you need to reify the connections. 11:27:49 ? 11:27:52 what that means? 11:27:53 (defclass neuron () (...)) (defclass connection () (from to weight)) 11:27:57 mmm 11:28:05 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:06 reify means make an object of something. 11:28:12 ah ok i didn't know.. 11:28:19 pjb i was thinking another solutionn 11:28:25 listen to me ^^ 11:28:42 i could make a sort of database of connection 11:28:52 so when the user make a connection, this connection go to the database 11:28:53 When you have a 1--* association, you can keep the data of the association in the 1- object. But it's not as clean as reifying the association. 11:29:10 Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 11:29:26 mm 11:30:38 pjb, sorry i can't figure out what you mean :-\ 11:31:00 -!- C-Keen [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:33:06 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 11:33:44 C-Keen [cckeen@pestilenz.org] has joined #lisp 11:33:45 vaaal: perhaps you should read some introduction to object oriented programming. Or watch some video, there are object oriented programming lectures on the web. 11:34:34 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 11:34:50 uhm 11:34:58 i've readed the sonya keene book 11:35:10 That's good. 11:35:12 i've not understand you statement for other reason 11:35:43 (i don't remember the "reifying" word in keene book, btw ^^) 11:36:14 ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has joined #lisp 11:36:26 Well understanding what one read is even better than just reading... 11:37:06 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:37:26 uhm 11:37:37 -!- JuanDaugherty [~Ren@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 11:38:00 what do you mean "when you have 1--*" assosiation? 11:38:26 "when you have 1--* association"? 11:38:27 Yeah! That's basic OO modeling. Go read an introduction. 11:38:35 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 11:38:42 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:38:47 one to many. 11:39:05 well 11:39:11 vaaal: i've never seen that notation either. 11:39:14 as i sayd, i've read sonya keene book 11:39:19 and never see that notation. 11:39:38 He was probably mocking you. 11:39:59 so funny. 11:40:20 vaaal: I wouldn't trust Zhivago if I were you... 11:40:29 French people are like that. 11:41:18 workthrick [~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk] has joined #lisp 11:41:47 -!- housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:19 vaaal: See how Zhivago is bad for your mental health: http://yuml.me/diagram/scruffy/class/%5BCustomer%5D-1---*-%5BOrder%5D 11:43:52 is a some of one to many notation? 11:44:03 housel [~user@mccarthy.opendylan.org] has joined #lisp 11:44:58 dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-159.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 11:45:09 vaaal: it's UML, the standard graphic OO notation, that you would know if you read some basic introduction to OO. 11:45:45 pjb is being humorous again. 11:46:01 Not at all. 11:46:08 You're too hard on yourself. 11:46:11 pjb, do you think keene book is a basic introduction? 11:46:14 It was a good attempt. 11:46:16 this is #lisp, no need to bring UML in here 11:46:35 also, i know basic of uml 11:46:47 and never seen used in keene book. 11:46:58 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:47:00 vaaal: may i recommend that you turn to your editor for some coding? 11:47:17 why? 11:47:37 vaaal: because you will learn more from that than from continuing this discussion. 11:47:54 do you think pjb is mocking me? 11:48:10 vaaal: i have no opinion to share. 11:48:17 oook. 11:49:38 Has somebody managed to use lisp-magick on a Windows box (with ccl)? 11:51:42 -!- leo2007 [~leo@123.114.55.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:52:26 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-lukzauqiveveglsh] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:52:48 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ljeqfkvvnotuuown] has joined #lisp 11:53:32 taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 11:53:41 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: nicdev_] 11:54:01 nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #lisp 11:54:09 -!- nicdev_ [~nicdev@209-6-50-99.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 11:54:17 -!- dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-159.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:54:48 dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-69.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 11:55:43 :( my connection was lost. has anybody responded? 11:56:11 No response. 11:56:43 dbrunner: Are you having trouble with it? 11:58:23 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.152.185] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:59:11 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-ljeqfkvvnotuuown] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:32 mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fijbkekkhkdctqqj] has joined #lisp 12:01:40 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 12:02:56 Xach, if i remember you used adw-charting, can you please help me with this strange error? 12:02:58 http://paste.lisp.org/display/123674 12:03:13 vaaal: I have not used it, but I'll take a look. 12:03:21 thank you 12:03:34 I don't know what that means. I suggest contacting the author. 12:03:41 ok thank you 12:07:04 -!- peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:07:26 yes. 12:07:39 under windows the lisp-magick is unable to load the dlls ... 12:08:01 i am not sure which dlls I need (because the ones in the source code do not match to those on the ImageMagick web site) 12:08:25 -!- dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-69.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:29 dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-69.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #lisp 12:09:42 i discovered, that emacs has a C semantic debugger 12:10:20 it kept highlighted a variable, that later prooved to be superfluous(everything was syntactically correct) 12:11:18 urandom__ [~user@p548A5B12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 12:11:44 dbrunner: Hmm, maybe the author can help. 12:12:02 yeah. i'll send him a note. 12:12:11 thx. :) 12:12:39 -!- vaaal [~vaaal@host3-36-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: http://irc2go.com/] 12:14:23 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-6-95.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:14:41 -!- dbrunner [~user@tmo-107-69.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:14:45 Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 12:14:57 ells [~Adium@c-107-3-238-180.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:15:41 -!- Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has left #lisp 12:15:55 so, to ask something every day: have any of you heard of using lisp/slime to execute JIT compiled cuda code interactively? 12:16:17 -!- ells [~Adium@c-107-3-238-180.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #lisp 12:16:58 I have not heard of that. 12:17:40 *|3b|* uses lisp/slime for opencl stuff, and there is cl-gpu which is at least related to cuda (not sure exactly what it does though) 12:18:23 |3b|: i saw its github site, but frankly, i dont see any documentation for that 12:18:55 what i would like, is something resembling the usual cl development process 12:19:21 according to http://clsql.b9.com/manual/connect.html if-exists value :new creates a new connection, any clue on what happens to the old connection 12:19:21 ? 12:19:34 to interact with the gpu the slime way, but i dont want to write lisp for the gpu 12:19:56 carlocci [~nes@93.37.223.65] has joined #lisp 12:21:02 leo2007 [~leo@123.123.249.222] has joined #lisp 12:21:14 *|3b|* would like to get to that point with opencl eventually, not there yet though :( 12:21:46 <|3b|> though opencl is fairly dynamic already, so you can do stuff more-or-less interactivelt 12:21:54 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:21:56 <|3b|> *interactively 12:21:58 i guess a running sbcl could load the cuda runtime, cudart, and just wrap the functions, im not familiar with cffi at all 12:22:02 aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has joined #lisp 12:22:11 |3b|: how so? 12:22:31 opencl is in c++ right? 12:22:57 <|3b|> opencl is 2 parts: a C api, and a c-like language for writing gpu code 12:23:01 -!- aoh [~aki@adsl-99-115.netplaza.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:22 <|3b|> you pass the "Opencl C" code to the driver, and it compiles it for the hardware 12:23:22 so far it seems to be like cuda 12:23:37 thats like cuda jit 12:23:46 There is CL-GPU, too: http://www.cliki.net/cl-gpu 12:23:58 Joreji [~thomas@78-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:24:06 flip214: yes, |3b| mentioned that 12:24:23 peterhil` [~peterhil@gw.maxisat.fi] has joined #lisp 12:24:29 ok, sorry .. didn't read the whole scrollback 12:24:30 |3b|: what i dont understand, why did you say interactive? how do you keep an environment up? 12:24:49 oyu know what im getting at? 12:25:00 <|3b|> just don't exit sbcl? (or whatever lisp){ 12:25:14 hm 12:25:25 so you use the cffi? 12:25:30 <|3b|> yeah 12:25:52 |3b|: you might know that im not an experienced lisper, is that hard to use? 12:26:15 im need to do my stuff pretty quickly, theres no time to waste 12:26:37 <|3b|> cffi? a bit, since you need to know lisp and C reasonably well, and figuring out a good interface between the 2 can be challenging 12:26:41 yes 12:26:50 *|3b|* has a partially done binding for opencl though 12:27:02 <|3b|> still working on the "good interface" part :/ 12:27:24 the thing is, that we decided to stick with cuda, we dont want to mess with opencl for the time being 12:28:07 ok, thx for the enlightening, when i have spare time ill look at the cffi 12:28:25 <|3b|> cl-gpu probably has some of the cuda stuff you would need 12:28:53 can you point me to a wiki/docs/examples? 12:29:03 -!- Joreji [~thomas@78-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:32:05 <|3b|> hmm, looks like cl-gpu uses some strange definer macro, so harder to look at for examples or grab code from than it might be :/ 12:32:07 Joreji [~thomas@78-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has joined #lisp 12:33:25 -!- lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36:44 -!- incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:19 -!- spark_ [~spark@123.147.247.114] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:40:51 genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has joined #lisp 12:42:13 incandenza [~incandenz@ip68-231-109-244.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 12:52:41 Hey. 12:53:06 Some function returned (#) - how to convert it back to XML with cxml? 12:54:33 What function returned that? 12:54:51 That doesn't quite look like a cxml object to me, but it could be my faulty memory. 12:55:14 pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 12:55:14 -!- pnkfelix [~Adium@c-71-225-165-188.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:56:31 Xach: cl-xmpp returned this. 12:56:43 Xach: that's response from XMPP server. 12:56:58 Does cl-xmpp use cxml? 12:57:17 looks like it does. 12:57:34 Yes. 12:59:59 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 13:02:04 -!- cfy__ [~cfy@123.158.245.8] has quit [Quit: ] 13:06:51 Any ideas? 13:07:51 Not offhand, but I would start reading http://common-lisp.net/projects/cxml/ to get ideas if I wanted to do it. 13:08:33 Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 13:08:52 otwieracz: http://common-lisp.net/project/cxml/sax.html#serialization -- I think that you can use cxml:make-octet-vector-sink together with with-xml-output. 13:09:57 -!- varjag [~eugene@122.62-97-226.bkkb.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:59 Hmm. Make-string-sink, rather. 13:14:05 -!- trigen [c1aca602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.172.166.2] has left #lisp 13:14:13 trigen [c1aca602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.172.166.2] has joined #lisp 13:14:23 -!- sonnym [~sonny@rrcs-184-74-137-69.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:26 -!- mindCrime [~chatzilla@cpe-076-182-089-009.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:51 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 13:19:51 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 13:19:51 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 13:20:48 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Quit: mrSpec] 13:22:03 'morning 13:26:15 -!- Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-19-176.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:26:34 Davidbrcz__ [~david@ANantes-151-1-46-168.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 13:26:35 hi Fade 13:26:46 heya, fe[nl]ix 13:35:07 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 13:37:32 bzzbzz [~franco@modemcable240.34-83-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #lisp 13:41:45 -!- Kenjin [~josesanto@bl15-228-94.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 13:42:10 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 13:46:38 -!- Evanescence [~chris@122.237.32.85] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 13:47:01 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:50:45 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:55:07 -!- zfx- is now known as zfx 13:55:07 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-166-117-115.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 13:55:07 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 13:59:08 ChibaPet [~mason@74.203.221.34] has joined #lisp 14:04:18 sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has joined #lisp 14:07:21 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-fijbkekkhkdctqqj] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:08:14 -!- flip214 [~marek@unaffiliated/flip214] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:08:38 ehu [~ehuels@109.34.28.127] has joined #lisp 14:10:05 -!- sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:10:05 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@cpe-98-14-92-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 14:10:06 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:13:45 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:14:09 BlankVerse [~pankajm@202.3.77.219] has joined #lisp 14:14:57 sykopomp [~sykopomp@gateway/tor-sasl/sykopomp] has joined #lisp 14:16:03 sykopomp: hi! 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Any chance you might recall who/what that was? 15:31:18 mon_key: sitegrinder3 is one that springs to mind 15:32:09 H4ns, I really want a USB adaptor for my lisp kb 15:33:10 Qworkescence: http://netzhansa.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-to-convert-your-symbolics-keyboard.html 15:33:23 Xach: Thanks for the memories! 15:33:27 H4ns, Yes, I have that printed and everything 15:33:41 Qworkescence: but? 15:33:45 H4ns, Unfortunately I just don't have the tools and stuff to Get The Job Done (tm) 15:34:16 H4ns, When can I pay you to do it for me? :) 15:34:20 Qworkescence: let me check whether i have any of them left. 15:38:27 Qworkescence: sorry, i'm out of stock and i don't currently have the time to build them. please ask again in like 2 weeks or so. 15:38:39 H4ns, Okay, thanks. :) 15:39:50 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 15:40:48 jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-133.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #lisp 15:43:53 ehu [~ehuels@109.32.199.250] has joined #lisp 15:46:54 -!- bleakgadfly [51a6aba8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.166.171.168] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:48:41 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 15:48:56 -!- cfy__ [~cfy@123.158.245.8] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:53 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-cxwrmswynxfiyqwx] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:54 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:51:44 kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.225] has joined #lisp 15:51:44 -!- kushal [~kdas@114.143.163.225] has quit [Changing host] 15:51:44 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 15:52:23 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-134-0-232.monradsl.monornet.hu] has left #lisp 15:55:31 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:01:01 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:53 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-185-89.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:02:17 LiamH [~healy@12-146-45-127.guest.alyeskaresort.com] has joined #lisp 16:03:02 -!- trigen [c1aca602@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.172.166.2] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:14 -!- misterncw [~misterncw@82.71.241.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:37 -!- genieliu [~genieliu@59.78.62.120] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:08:26 alama [~jessealam@86.93.35.187] has joined #lisp 16:11:38 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:12:29 -!- jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:51 -!- brandwe [~brandwe@c-71-227-176-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:15:02 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-215-245.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 16:15:33 Bike [~Glossina@71-214-98-135.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #lisp 16:16:20 HG` [~HG@p5DC04BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 16:19:45 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-148-107.lns21.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20:42 leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.231] has joined #lisp 16:21:20 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 16:21:22 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.102] has joined #lisp 16:22:22 -!- ehu [~ehuels@109.32.199.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23:12 -!- srcerer_ is now known as srcerer 16:24:03 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-217-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 16:25:23 -!- tfb [~tfb@80.238.0.145] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 16:25:54 tfb [~tfb@80.238.0.145] has joined #lisp 16:26:40 -!- tfb [~tfb@80.238.0.145] has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:37 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.22] has joined #lisp 16:28:41 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:47 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 16:33:04 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-132-71.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 16:39:41 dl` [~download@dhcp95.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 16:39:43 -!- Lycurgus [~juan@cpe-72-228-177-92.buffalo.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:52 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 16:40:55 clsimons [~csimons@65.122.158.192] has joined #lisp 16:41:03 -!- dl [~download@chpcwl01.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:41:42 Why is (myvar (mapcar (read-from-string ff)) mylist) an illegal variable specification in a "let"? (ff here is a string containing a lambda function) 16:42:04 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@VEROXITY.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #lisp 16:42:14 clsimons: I don't see a "let" there. 16:42:32 clsimons: there are three elements in that list. 16:42:46 MYVAR, a list starting with MAPCAR, and MYLIST 16:43:23 Normally a LET binding has one or two, but not three. Also MAPCAR takes two or more arguments, not just one. 16:44:29 Ah, I see what is going on now. I had an additional function wrapping the mapcar and left a paren on there; 'mylist' is supposed to be an argument to mapcar 16:44:38 pnq [~nick@ACA2870E.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 16:45:13 -!- ivan-kanis [~user@89.83.137.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46:52 trigen [~MSX@87.209.144.213] has joined #lisp 16:48:41 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 16:50:46 Here is the deal; I am trying to call map a user-defined function to a list but getting "FUNCALL: argument (LAMBDA (X) (- 50 (* X X))) is not a function. 16:51:04 ". Code is at http://cl1p.net/fitness/ 16:51:53 It's not. It's a list. You'd have to evaluate it to get a function 16:52:11 clsimons: maybe you quoted the lambda expression? 16:53:41 clsimons: I'm guessing FF is "(lambda (x) (- 50 (* x x)))" then. 16:53:51 Xach: correct 16:54:01 clsimons: you have to evaluate it to get a function object as bike mentioned. 16:54:01 So should I stick a #' in front of (lambda? 16:54:12 No, then you'd get a list (FUNCTION (LAMBDA ...)) 16:54:12 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 16:54:20 You'd have to evaluate it still. 16:55:10 Would (eval (read-from-string ... do that? 16:55:18 yes. 16:55:37 -!- jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.102] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55:58 Ah, sweet. It is working now. Thanks for the help; I'm new to Lisp and haven't used 'eval' before 16:56:37 EVAL is often the first thing novices reach for and often the last thing experienced users reach for. 16:56:54 How did you wind up with code in a string? 16:57:07 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-217-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57:23 I'm trying to create a basic evolutionary computation engine that allows the user to pass in a "fitness function" to test the suitability of each individual in the candidate population, so it seemed natural there 16:57:38 So in this program, the user passes in the function, among other parameters, on the command-line. 16:58:27 Another option is COMPILE. 17:00:05 -!- Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:34 To compile the function up front so it will be ready to call during this part of the program? 17:01:13 Yes. 17:01:18 cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 17:01:31 Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has joined #lisp 17:01:37 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 17:01:43 e.g. (compile nil (read-from-string ff)) will produce a compiled function object if FF is formatted properly. 17:02:05 -!- Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:24 So would (defun ffunc (compile nil (read-from-string ff))) work? 17:02:43 ^ () 17:03:00 (defun ffunc () (compile nil (read-from-string ff))) 17:03:20 It would work in that ffunc would evaluate to the compiled function, so you'd have to (funcall (ffunc) ...), probably not what you want. 17:03:23 I'd pass FF as a parameter if I were writing it. 17:03:29 Dodek [dodek@nolajf.pl] has joined #lisp 17:04:47 -!- zmv [~daniel@c95334de.virtua.com.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:05:33 -!- c_arenz [~arenz@nat/ibm/x-gljmjgntalhbstmn] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:07:35 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:08:19 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 17:10:31 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:31 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 17:10:31 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 17:12:03 -!- setmeaway [stemearay@183.106.96.61] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16:51 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:19:11 zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-217-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #lisp 17:21:48 oudeis [~oudeis@109.64.200.17] has joined #lisp 17:23:11 -!- markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:24:55 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:12 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 17:29:48 Intensity [lpsJvkyqT2@unaffiliated/intensity] has joined #lisp 17:31:39 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 17:33:34 peearr [~aaron@159.153.4.51] has joined #lisp 17:34:30 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:35:00 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@85-127-217-153.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:35:07 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:26 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:35:30 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 17:36:32 -!- dl` [~download@dhcp95.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:36:35 setmeaway [setmeaway3@183.106.96.61] has joined #lisp 17:36:47 dl` [~download@dhcp95.hpc.unm.edu] has joined #lisp 17:36:59 -!- dl` is now known as dl 17:37:03 -!- leo2007 [~leo@222.130.128.231] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.3.50.1] 17:37:25 -!- Daev is now known as M-x_slime 17:41:00 betta_y_omega [~betta_y_o@90.166.231.220] has joined #lisp 17:43:02 -!- trigen [~MSX@87.209.144.213] has quit [] 17:45:31 -!- rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has quit [Quit: rfg] 17:46:33 -!- LiamH [~healy@12-146-45-127.guest.alyeskaresort.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:51:52 markskilbeck [~mark@unaffiliated/markskilbeck] has joined #lisp 17:54:10 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.22] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:18 kpreid_ [~kpreid@216.239.45.22] has joined #lisp 17:54:29 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 17:55:04 Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 17:56:51 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:58:04 -!- Generic_Dumbass [~chatzilla@pool-173-79-166-252.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:07 acieroid [~acieroid@wtf.awesom.eu] has joined #lisp 18:03:32 LiamH [~healy@12-146-44-179.guest.alyeskaresort.com] has joined #lisp 18:09:40 rstandy [~rastandy@net-2-32-234-43.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 18:11:13 nauar [~kvirc@70.Red-213-4-38.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #lisp 18:11:21 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:00 -!- kpreid_ [~kpreid@216.239.45.22] has quit [Quit: kpreid_] 18:13:22 -!- gilligan_ [~gilligan@p4FEA4FD4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #lisp 18:18:06 manuel_ [~manuel@pD9FDD99E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 18:18:27 hi 18:18:40 howdy manuel_. 18:19:56 -!- tessier [~treed@kernel-panic/copilotco] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:33 hi manuel_! (: 18:20:40 :! 18:20:44 long time no see (: 18:22:17 rfg [~rfg@dsl78-143-206-87.in-addr.fast.co.uk] has joined #lisp 18:24:19 kpreid [~kpreid@216.239.45.22] has joined #lisp 18:27:57 -!- LiamH [~healy@12-146-44-179.guest.alyeskaresort.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:28:08 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 18:28:08 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:28:08 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 18:30:38 milanj [~milanj_@109-93-62-105.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #lisp 18:32:11 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@net-2-32-234-43.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:33:33 -!- agspathis [~user@ppp-94-64-159-105.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:35:10 lichtblau [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #lisp 18:36:49 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:37:45 -!- nikodemus [~nikodemus@cs181056239.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:39:54 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 18:39:54 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:39:54 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 18:40:50 -!- araujo [~araujo@gentoo/developer/araujo] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:42:33 -!- Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:43:13 -!- Joreji [~thomas@78-043.eduroam.RWTH-Aachen.DE] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:43:53 Nshag [user@chl45-1-88-123-84-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #lisp 18:44:14 -!- clsimons [~csimons@65.122.158.192] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:45:12 LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has joined #lisp 18:48:06 -!- LiamH [~healy@vpn219118.nrl.navy.mil] has quit [Client Quit] 18:52:22 -!- dl [~download@dhcp95.hpc.unm.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:53:15 -!- ph1234k [~ph1234k@unaffiliated/ph1234k] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:53:37 ph1234k [~ph1234k@ip72-209-135-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #lisp 18:53:37 -!- ph1234k [~ph1234k@ip72-209-135-200.ks.ks.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 18:53:37 ph1234k [~ph1234k@unaffiliated/ph1234k] has joined #lisp 18:54:39 hargettp_ [~hargettp_@dhcp-161.mirrorimage.net] has joined #lisp 19:01:33 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:19 greaver [~joe@41.138.11.188] has joined #lisp 19:09:12 ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.241] has joined #lisp 19:10:11 SuChek [~SuChek@unaffiliated/suchek] has joined #lisp 19:11:15 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2870E.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:12:26 -!- SuChek_ [~SuChek@unaffiliated/suchek] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:13:48 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-62-105.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:14:18 -!- lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:15:43 17SAA2NNG [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:15:43 45PAAE241 [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:19:06 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip72-200-123-53.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #lisp 19:19:06 -!- ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@ip72-200-123-53.tc.ph.cox.net] has quit [Changing host] 19:19:06 ianmcorvidae [~ianmcorvi@fsf/member/ianmcorvidae] has joined #lisp 19:24:44 -!- 45PAAE241 [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:10 hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 19:28:58 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31:05 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 19:31:27 renjikken [~ryuurei@142.162.11.232] has joined #lisp 19:32:17 Hello I seem to be having trouble with some code. I'm quite a novice. I seem to be getting nil for my call to assoc in the code seen: http://pastebin.com/hyWZBurv . Could I get any help? 19:34:01 phrixos [~clarkema@unaffiliated/phrixos] has joined #lisp 19:34:06 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-215-16-133.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:34:11 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-95-53-186-167.vologda.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:00 renjikken: works for me. Note that defvar doesn't overwrite pre-existing bindings. 19:35:33 *digit-counter* might be bound to a previous, different, value. 19:35:41 Huh... I was just being told I got NIL. I'll fire up SBCL again. 19:36:36 Also, if you want to extract the digits of a number, it's much simpler to use integer division (e.g. truncate) than to print the number to a string. 19:37:01 What do you mean? 19:37:10 Or rather, could you provide me with an example? 19:37:28 pkhuong: simpler? 19:38:10 mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has joined #lisp 19:38:10 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@ceres.etla.org] has quit [Changing host] 19:38:10 mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #lisp 19:39:01 pkhuong: btw, I figured out how to do long division and print out the actual decimal value of .2d0 19:40:42 -!- phrixos [~clarkema@unaffiliated/phrixos] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:41:18 -!- M-x_slime [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:41:35 Xach: the same way it's simpler to heat up soup on a campfire than with a USB heater. Not necessarily more convenient. 19:41:56 Makes sense. 19:42:11 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42:13 phrixos [~clarkema@unaffiliated/phrixos] has joined #lisp 19:44:22 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 19:46:00 Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has joined #lisp 19:46:17 renjikken: something like (loop with digits = '() while (plusp integer) do (multiple-value-bind (q r) (truncate integer radix) (push r digits) (setf integer q)) finally (return digits)) 19:46:57 The USB heater way is (map 'list 'digit-char-p (princ-to-string integer)) 19:47:24 Uh-huh... 19:47:34 I'll look into both. 19:48:37 jcazevedo [~jcazevedo@81.193.39.156] has joined #lisp 19:51:41 Or the commie way ;) (defun digits-of (number radix &optional tail-digits) (if (zerop number) tail-digits (m-v-b (q r) (truncate integer radix) (digits-of q radix (cons r tail-digits)))) 19:53:07 -!- pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:28 lnostdal-laptop [~lnostdal@77.16.33.126.tmi.telenormobil.no] has joined #lisp 19:55:25 -!- greaver [~joe@41.138.11.188] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:56:37 -!- hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:56:40 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 19:58:54 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-166-32.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 19:59:48 gkeith_lt [~gkeith@74.125.60.1] has joined #lisp 20:00:25 hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #lisp 20:01:29 -!- Athas [~athas@130.225.165.40] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:45 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC04BBE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HG`] 20:06:18 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 20:14:03 pnq [~nick@ACA2AB31.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 20:14:47 btw, some of you might be interested - free (graded! with certificate!) AI class taught by Norvig and Sebastian Thrun: http://www.ai-class.com (you get official certificate from stanford for this class) 20:15:42 nice, thanks p_l|backup (: 20:16:26 They're gonna use AIMA, too :) 20:16:51 ah, I wish I hadn't sold my copy (: 20:16:51 hi 20:17:11 I'm reading PAIP it's a big book! 20:17:39 it is! and there are a lot of good things in there (: 20:17:57 loooots of good things :) 20:18:11 antifuchs: sure! 20:18:33 some of my favourites were the chapters on compiler writing, including those Scheme and Prolog interpreter/compilers 20:18:43 I wonder what kind of AI experiment they're hoping to pull off with this AI class. 20:19:02 sykopomp: undercover Google recruitement ;-) 20:19:09 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:19:13 I loved that I could use it as a supplement to that natural language processing course I took in university (: 20:20:14 Ah, to be a student again. I wish I had so much time available. :) 20:20:21 heh, yeah 20:20:33 I did a lot of exploratory lisp hacking back then (: 20:20:52 anyway. I'm interested in taking this course. maybe others in the area will be too 20:22:04 i'm interested too. but I'm not a CS major so I'll have to go over the probability and linear algebra stuff on khan academy or something. 20:22:30 I wonder if I can transfer credits to my uni xD 20:23:08 p_l|backup: I think it might work (: 20:23:45 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:25:55 -!- hussaibi_ [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26:02 -!- 17SAA2NNG [~hussaibi@CPE00222d3a5d80-CM00222d3a5d7c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:26:06 MeanWeen [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 20:26:11 anyway. made my day. this is very interesting (: 20:26:17 -!- ISF [~ivan@143.106.196.241] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 20:29:19 What felideon said. My math chops are less than adequate. But I did sign up. :) 20:30:13 fortunately, probability and linear algebra will be just a refreshing from HS for me 20:32:05 *sykopomp* failed calc2! 20:34:51 -!- gkeith_lt [~gkeith@74.125.60.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36:00 -!- csdwifi [~csdwifi@76.177.215.56] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:44:49 xan_ [~xan@vpn9.hotsplots.net] has joined #lisp 20:45:43 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:46:36 trigen [~MSX@87.209.144.213] has joined #lisp 20:51:01 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:54:37 phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:46 -!- phax [~phax@adsl-68-73-148-217.dsl.ipltin.ameritech.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:54:46 phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has joined #lisp 20:55:02 hmmm... can anyone point me to a good example of a preallocated object cache in CL? 20:55:05 -!- phax [~phax@unaffiliated/phax] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:43 (preferably CLOS objects, but structures are fine too) 20:58:37 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA2AB31.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:46 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:46 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:58:46 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 20:59:21 pnq [~nick@ACA2AB31.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 21:03:46 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:04:19 (defvar *cache* (make-list 1000)) (defun kons (a d) (if *cache* (let ((r (pop *cache*))) (setf (car r) a (cdr r) d) r) (error "Out of cached objects"))) (defun kree (object) (setf (car object) nil (cdr object) *cache* *cache* object)) 21:05:11 Oh hey... I did this Linear Algebra in high school. I totally forgot about this. I almost think we called it linear programming. 21:05:13 and now the killer: (defmacro with-cached-object (var &body body) `(let ((,var (kons nil nil))) (unwind-protect (progn ,@body) (kree ,var)))) 21:05:34 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:05:34 -!- scrimohsin [~cmsimon@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 21:05:34 scrimohsin [~cmsimon@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 21:05:37 linear programming and linear algebra are quite different. 21:05:50 (Actually the macro should use a private variable to keep a reference to the cached object, so the body can set the var). 21:05:56 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:05:58 I must be mistaken then. However some of this stuff I'm seeing on Khan is familiar so far. 21:06:49 Probably. 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