00:03:39 OK, back to question b. How would I pack the array of bytes from ironclad into a single fixnum? 00:04:50 -!- bizarrefish [~lee@cl-15.lon-03.gb.sixxs.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:04:55 antoszka: loop, accumulate, mask 00:05:05 why a fixnum? 00:06:43 rosario [~rosario@2002:4fcd:ced2:0:21f:e2ff:fea9:b9d8] has joined #lisp 00:07:05 -!- sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:07:34 Xach: Just checking whether it will be necessary, perhaps not. 00:08:35 On a side not: perhaps reduce + ash would be simpler than a loop construct? 00:08:58 fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:09:16 huangho [~vitor@201-66-170-112.paemt700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #lisp 00:09:39 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 00:14:23 -!- srid [~srid@unaffiliated/srid] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:15:19 -!- fisxoj [~fisxoj@cpe-74-67-199-254.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: 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Woot!Woot! :) 03:19:47 You must not have owned it for very long or live somewhere with a very reliable power grid. 03:20:32 joshe: at my last place, I had ~one power outage per year. I moved a couple blocks away, and now it's ~one per month 03:21:15 joshe: I purchased it this april just before our local tornado season. where we usually have +/- 4 in a month :( 03:21:51 No idea what caused this blink -- maybe should peek head out of cave... 03:22:51 How do you have negative outages? 03:22:59 One per year sounds right for where I am now. When I bought my first UPS it was quite a bit more frequent. Undersea power cables do not appear to be as reliable as one would wish. 03:23:07 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-28-139.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:23:16 Euthydemus: ~4 per month :P 03:24:02 I finally got tired of loosing/recovering multi-week Emacs sessions... Finally paid off. 03:24:14 joshe: lucky you. I think the part that really pisses me off about this situatin is that it seems like it's the last mile that fails. 03:24:16 bombshelter13b [~bombshelt@76-10-149-209.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #lisp 03:24:27 I've only had two >1 minute outages in the past several years since I've moved. 03:24:53 One was due to a tree being blown over onto a power line, which can hardly be faulted. 03:25:06 Actually, both of them were. 03:25:50 pkhuong: I do live in a larg-ish US city now, that certainly helps 03:26:09 -!- Salamander [~Salamande@ppp121-45-82-23.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:26:16 fewer trees ;) 03:26:25 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-142-204.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 03:26:49 Not this city, unfortunately. 03:26:58 pkhuong: fewer tornados too i bet. 03:28:06 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-28-139.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:31:27 Is anyone using conduits? the documentation left me wondering how I should actually use them (do I use some conduit-provided alternative to the COMMON-LISP package?) 03:31:31 -!- poindontcare [~user@cloudbovina.bovinasancta.com] has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:36:03 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 03:37:41 juniorroy [~juniorroy@212.36.228.103] has joined #lisp 03:39:17 Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 03:40:42 con do it 03:40:45 -!- drdo [~drdo@91.205.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:42:18 ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.46] has joined #lisp 03:42:31 *JuanDaugherty* learns something new. 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06:21:52 what's up? 06:22:34 oder wie geht's 06:22:53 JuanDaugherty: Are you German? 06:22:59 no 06:23:14 estadoudinese 06:23:38 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-025-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 06:24:27 but people only use moin in german speaking contexts for the most part, or where there are german speakers 06:26:24 JuanDaugherty: Yeah, true. Although on Brits and Americans used it on LinuxNet too, way back when I used to hang out there. I only found out later that moin is lower saxonian for good morning. 06:26:40 Ambriely [~jorixTZXL@banjo12.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU] has joined #lisp 06:26:58 actually it's a general greeting, doesn't have to be morning 06:27:11 so especially net appropriate 06:27:21 -!- McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:27:34 JuanDaugherty: True. 06:28:54 benny [~benny@i577A7BC4.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 06:29:41 -!- jamief [~user@158.223.51.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:30:00 jamief [~user@158.223.51.80] has joined #lisp 06:30:47 McMAGIC--Copy [~McMAGIC--@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmagic--copy] has joined #lisp 06:31:45 kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #lisp 06:32:03 -!- leo2007 [~phd@114.247.10.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:35:29 -!- Xof [~user@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:36:19 -!- beaumonta is now known as abeaumont 06:36:25 Xof 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the name of an string from an string object? 11:16:24 s/an/a 11:16:30 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-occqdxbyblcovmuz] has left #lisp 11:17:19 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.250.170] has joined #lisp 11:17:59 zfx: when I do (format nil "~A" #'map) I get a representation like #, I would like to get the map symbol back 11:18:00 ignotus: function-lambda-expression, maybe. 11:18:38 Xach: ah that's it, thanks 11:18:57 really? 11:19:19 zfx: yes. maybe. 11:19:21 I didnt realize functions had names. 11:19:44 I thought symbols had names. 11:19:45 zfx: they might. 11:19:49 interesting. 11:19:54 symbols might be the names of functions sometimes. 11:24:15 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-mujcafoqvvvzcafc] has joined #lisp 11:24:19 hmm, I see. seems like a broken concept to rely on. 11:24:20 -!- spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-mujcafoqvvvzcafc] has left #lisp 11:24:38 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-tunormylfgpopuud] has joined #lisp 11:25:21 -!- altctrldel 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not the other way around. 11:48:39 that was my understanding. but it seems that F-L-E could return a "name" for debugging purposes. 11:49:42 dnolen_ [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 11:51:48 -!- minion [~minion@tiger.common-lisp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:54:42 What's the name of 3.1415926535897932384L0 ? 11:55:42 pi? 11:55:45 no. 11:55:53 Wrong, CL:PI is bound to 3.1415926535897932385L0, not 3.1415926535897932384L0 11:56:35 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:58:51 Jasko3 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 11:59:01 -!- Beetny [~Beetny@ppp118-208-143-106.lns20.bne1.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:05 ALMOST-PI then? 11:59:51 pjb: that kind of error is known as a "faux pi" 12:00:12 No. 12:00:27 Xach: good one 12:00:30  = 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 12:00:39 (defun function-names (f) (loop for p in (list-all-packages) nconc (let ((names '())) (do-symbols (s p) (when (and (fboundp s) (eql f (symbol-function s))) (push s names))) names))) 12:01:00 So, when rounede it wil be 3.1415926535897932385 12:01:02 ignotus: (function-name (function map)) 12:03:07 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.255.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:13 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Be back later] 12:09:24 ignas [~ignas@78-60-36-123.static.zebra.lt] has joined #lisp 12:11:22 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 12:13:28 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.162.151] has joined #lisp 12:15:12 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.228.110] has joined #lisp 12:21:22 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.84.5] has joined #lisp 12:21:31 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.84.5] has quit [Client Quit] 12:21:36 zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.84.5] has joined #lisp 12:21:47 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24:59 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 12:25:55 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.45.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 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13:38:04 mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 13:38:04 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 13:38:04 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 13:39:15 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-8-113.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 13:39:38 -!- dnolen_ [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen_] 13:41:54 hi 13:42:19 ecraven: a dream? 13:42:43 or a nightmare 13:43:00 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-064-181-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 13:43:12 ;) no, i remember it was somewhere.. it showed a few programming languages as dots, and AMOP as a region... but who knows, i might be hallucinating 13:44:37 might have been a CLOS book too :( 13:45:57 bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has joined #lisp 13:46:42 'morning 13:46:48 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.123] has joined #lisp 13:47:06 Kiczales et al have a couple of papers on the topic, and they'd tend to be oriented toward more languages than just Lisp or Scheme. 13:47:45 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:48:48 rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has joined #lisp 13:48:59 pkhuong: thanks, i'll look at some of their papers on the subject, very good idea! 13:49:06 ecraven: I don't remember a diagram of what you're talking about, but the subject is discussed in AMOP. 13:50:56 -!- BountyX [~erhan@81.212.107.145] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:00 -!- H4ns` [~user@p4FFC81F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:11 H4ns` [~user@p4FFC81F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 13:54:27 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8111A4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:55:52 -!- rmarianski is now known as rmar|mtng 13:56:19 pnq [~nick@AC8111A4.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 13:56:46 -!- yroeht [yroeht@server5.tonbnc.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:57:35 yroeht [yroeht@server5.tonbnc.fr] has joined #lisp 13:59:01 dlowe 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I dont know why I said "symbol quotes". my question is really what are these quotes (since they get a nice coloring in emacs) generally used for in docstrings? 14:59:55 -!- ikki [~ikki@201.144.87.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:59:56 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:29 maybe it's just "whatever you want" but wanted to know when do other people use them. 15:01:45 In emacs they provide links to the relevant function (symbol, whatever). Don't know if they serve a function in cl, or maybe just a convention adopted from emacs users. 15:02:13 serve a purpose* 15:04:27 chu_: ah interesting 15:06:03 xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.162.88] has joined #lisp 15:06:07 -!- scharan [~scharan@97-90-195-82.dhcp.losa.ca.charter.com] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 15:07:23 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-67-180-32-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 15:10:36 felideon: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html 15:10:45 -!- armence [~armence@unaffiliated/armence] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:11:23 -!- udzinari [~user@nat/ibm/x-taovnqygdgvrqvox] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:05 homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-51.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:12:07 felideon: Use unicode. "\"«»" 15:12:14 brown [~user@nat/google/x-bhzqybjzkjubhbep] has joined #lisp 15:12:28 `' is just ugly. 15:13:51 -!- homie` [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-51.netcologne.de] has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:06 ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has joined #lisp 15:14:07 ... says the one who writes ALLCAPS 15:14:19 Abbaduxo [~jorixbwdX@115-64-27-246.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 15:14:21 fe[nl]ix: with fonts that have nice uppercase letters, yes. 15:14:23 -!- Abbaduxo [~jorixbwdX@115-64-27-246.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:49 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-140-52.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:28 pjb: I agree it looks ugly, and that page explains the lingering question I had as to why this ugly quoting style is used. 15:16:01 homie [~levgue@xdsl-87-79-196-51.netcologne.de] has joined #lisp 15:16:23 HG` [~HG@p5DC057FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 15:16:53 (`foo' doesnt really look that bad with the font I use though.) In any case, emacs colors `quoted' words and I've seen them in a lot of CL docstrings. 15:16:56 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@adsl-75-36-181-173.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Offline] 15:17:27 felideon: what I do is that I use the actual symbol name to name parameters in docstrings. 15:17:33 Ie. I write them in uppercase! 15:17:55 (defun thingy-named (name) "Returns the thingy named NAME." ...) 15:18:22 -!- gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-24-216-52.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:24 So it works also when printed in black on white. 15:18:58 True. Except I use modern mode and NAME would probably be unbound. 15:19:00 :D 15:19:01 -!- mcsontos [~mcsontos@nat/redhat/x-givhtdeexvtanajb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:19 Modern doesn't mean better... 15:20:00 felideon: unless your identifiers actually depend on case sensitivity, that's irrelevant. 15:20:00 gigamonkey [~user@adsl-99-179-45-240.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #lisp 15:22:57 -!- pnq [~nick@AC8111A4.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:23:52 pkhuong: Well strictly speaking 'name' really is 'name', not 'NAME', in modern mode (Allegro). Obviously in the docstrings it doesn't really matter. 15:24:04 I was being tongue-in-cheek, though. 15:24:15 it's name, not `name'. 15:24:20 rosario [~rosario@2002:5796:76f3:0:21f:e2ff:fea9:b9d8] has joined #lisp 15:26:27 felideon: otherwise, I tend to format my docstring as if they were to be included in a reStructured document, so `name` could be used, as well as *emphasis* **strong emphasis** etc. 15:26:37 http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html#inline-markup 15:28:45 ikki [~ikki@201.155.92.12] has joined #lisp 15:35:24 pkhuong: indeed. 15:36:22 -!- mikejs [~mike@ec2-50-16-185-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36:22 mikejs [~mike@ec2-50-16-185-74.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 15:36:28 pjb: oh that seems like a good idea. 15:36:37 pjb: thanks 15:38:58 morphling [~stefan@gssn-4d003aa9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #lisp 15:39:38 Spion [~spion@79.125.200.198] has joined #lisp 15:39:41 -!- Spion [~spion@79.125.200.198] has quit [Changing host] 15:39:42 Spion [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has joined #lisp 15:40:01 -!- kiuma [~kiuma@85-18-55-37.ip.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:17 -!- jdz [~jdz@193.206.22.97] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43:04 -!- Spion_ [~spion@unaffiliated/spion] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:49:01 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:52:03 super__ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has joined #lisp 15:54:57 -!- lolsuper_ [~super_@unaffiliated/lolsuper-/x-9881387] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:55:24 -!- Xof [~user@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:55:33 -!- pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:57:23 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 15:57:23 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:29 -!- kytibe [~kytibe@212.174.109.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59:56 Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 16:00:41 -!- Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:00:48 kytibe [~kytibe@212.174.109.55] has joined #lisp 16:02:32 am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.189] has joined #lisp 16:03:14 tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:03:57 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:27 -!- trebor_dki [~user@mail.dki.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:45 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-uqxtggwshrtmlzrl] has joined #lisp 16:11:26 -!- fourier` [~user@213.141.149.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:11:51 -!- ramusara [~ramusara@220.156.210.236.user.e-catv.ne.jp] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:13:56 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:14 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 16:14:14 -!- zomgbie [~jesus@84.119.84.5] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:14:36 tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:17:16 seangrove [~user@c-98-234-242-197.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 16:17:27 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:17:56 rakete [~user@static.228.2.63.178.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 16:18:46 -!- hlavaty [~user@91-65-217-112-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:19:42 tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 16:19:42 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:39 -!- tcr [~tcr@217-162-207-189.dynamic.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 16:21:32 -!- chu_ [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-43-95.lns3.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 16:22:15 -!- rstandy [~rastandy@93-63-185-248.ip29.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24:17 -!- rmar|mtng is now known as rmarianski 16:25:55 -!- vtz [~user@client-73-37-12.speedy-net.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:26:13 -!- newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:26:36 dbushenko [~dim@178.154.53.241] has joined #lisp 16:26:54 -!- dbushenko [~dim@178.154.53.241] has left #lisp 16:27:20 -!- xxxyyy [~xyxu@222.68.162.88] has left #lisp 16:27:51 sellout1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-37-125.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 16:27:52 -!- sellout [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-37-125.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:19 newcup [newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #lisp 16:29:16 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC057FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:32:50 Hello, Dragons! 16:34:39 looopy [~looopy@adsl-074-236-131-226.sip.cae.bellsouth.net] has joined #lisp 16:34:53 -!- e-user [~e-user@nat/nokia/x-vhkorkdnechnzniq] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:59 pdelgallego [~pdelgalle@1385159933.dhcp.dbnet.dk] has joined #lisp 16:40:34 -!- ngz [~user@104.236.75.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:44:17 -!- drunkk [~proba@cpe-67-244-127-222.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:45:33 mon_key pasted "SBCL probe-file of non-existent symlink ??" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/123384 16:45:58 ^^^ Anyone care to help me puzze that one out? 16:47:34 -!- Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:49:24 Xantoz [~hejhej@c83-251-227-152.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #lisp 16:50:41 booyaa` [~booyaa@adsl-67-121-157-253.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 16:53:06 -!- mvilleneuve [~mvilleneu@LLagny-156-36-4-214.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:55:21 mon_key: not really. Probe-file on a dead symlink should be nil. 16:55:41 Other implementations will probably differ there. 16:55:46 -!- jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.45.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:07 pjb: clisp returns nil if the symlink is passed in "file form" 16:56:18 pjb: clisp it errors if the trailing slash is appended. 16:56:24 jtza8 [~jtza8@41.56.45.136] has joined #lisp 16:57:46 I understand why the implementations differ w/r/r to #P"/path/to/non-existent-symlink" its the logic behind latter case that confuses me. 16:58:17 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 16:59:39 littlebobby [~bob@i5E8799B.versanet.de] has joined #lisp 16:59:41 -!- littlebobby [~bob@i5E8799B.versanet.de] has quit [Changing host] 16:59:42 littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has joined #lisp 17:00:20 mon_key: I'm pretty sure it has to do with the directory/file distinction that sbcl sometimes enforces with an iron fist 17:00:57 antifuchs: yes, i'm examining return values around truename/directory right now. 17:01:41 DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.155.153] has joined #lisp 17:02:01 My confusion is around the one corner case where SBCL returns the parent dir... and more specifically whether it is a "bug or feature" 17:02:03 so, if you probe-file what you declare a directory, things will look different than if you probe-file what you declare a file 17:02:12 I'd guess both 17:02:21 bug /and/ a feature (: 17:02:23 <_3b> from the comments i'd have expected it to return the same with or without final / 17:02:50 *_3b* failed to follow the actual code to see what was going on though :p 17:02:55 mon_key annotated #123384 "with TRUENAME and DIRECTORY" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/123384#1 17:03:08 you might want to try osicat - it has a readlink function (: 17:03:26 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@VEROXITY.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #lisp 17:04:28 -!- am0c [~am0c@211.49.101.189] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:02 antifuchs: sb-posix too... likely quite similar (: 17:06:23 depending on which implementations you need to target, one or the other 17:06:49 osicat has a few more nice&convenient dir traversal things, like with-directory-iterator 17:07:11 the CL pathnames are not made to deal with symlinks. Just say no to symlinks :-) 17:07:21 rachekhan [~Rachekhan@94.50.9.104] has joined #lisp 17:07:23 just say no to CL pathnames (: 17:08:08 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: sleeping] 17:09:42 -!- DelPuerto [~youguy@90.162.155.153] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:11 _3b: Imagine you have a function which walks a directory tree and somewhere in that tree ther may be symlinks arbitrarily strewn about some dereference to files others dereference to directories -- some of these are live some point nowhere. In some cases it is important to verify liveness/deadness. 17:10:48 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-045-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 17:10:51 *_3b* suspects that last PATHNAME in query-file-system should be FILENAME 17:11:22 <_3b> mon_key: i'm in the "don't use CL pathname for anything involving real filesystems" group 17:11:43 So what do you guys do instead? 17:11:59 <_3b> mon_key: i'm just reading the code because it is interesting, rather than having any opinion on what it 'should' do :) 17:12:05 *_3b* just avoids messing with files from CL :/ 17:13:26 <_3b> yeah, if it is a bug, that change seems to fix it 17:13:53 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:14:21 mon_key: basically, create a safe directory for CL files, and have there only files created by CL. 17:15:01 For access to the POSIX file system, use POSIX API. 17:15:22 POSIX C API or POSIX CL API? 17:15:58 _3b: for the final pathname in :query-for :truename case? 17:16:15 mon_key: to define a POSIX CL API requires a lot of work. I started such a project once upon a time. 17:16:28 What about osicat? 17:16:34 Yes. 17:16:50 <_3b> mon_key: yeah, i think so... last one in the function, about 7 lines from the end of function 17:16:51 a POSIX CL API would be a specification, not an implementation... 17:17:51 pjb: It wouldn't be a CL interface _to_ the specification? 17:18:27 Several CL implementation offer some POSIX package or functions. 17:19:26 HG` [~HG@p5DC057FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 17:24:51 rstandy [~rastandy@net-2-32-119-227.cust.dsl.teletu.it] has joined #lisp 17:24:51 pjb: Yes, im comfortable doing (sb-posix:s-islnk (sb-posix:stat-mode (sb-posix:lstat #P""))) just seems wastefull in so much as SBCL has prob. already stat'd the hell out of #P"" already :( 17:26:59 Qworkescence [~quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] has joined #lisp 17:27:28 scharan [~scharan@169.235.25.47] has joined #lisp 17:29:04 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-230-245.w90-54.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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be said about anything 19:39:58 true 19:40:13 please I need to talk against "design patterns" how can I argument that? 19:40:33 z0d: but you can't scratch diamonds! 19:40:38 Posterdati: maybe http://norvig.com/design-patterns/ 19:41:10 you read my mind, I'm reading it right now! 19:41:26 :-) 19:43:15 littlebobby: also http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?AreDesignPatternsMissingLanguageFeatures 19:43:22 which links to the norvig page 19:43:57 Posterdati: see felideon 19:44:13 oh, sorry. :) 19:44:25 I've missed the opportunity for a GOTO 19:44:52 thanks 19:46:39 argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.51.172] has joined #lisp 19:50:00 Posterdati: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.lisp/msg/ee09f8475bc7b2a0?hl=en&dmode=source 19:50:56 pjb! 19:52:08 Posterdati: and particularly: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.programming/msg/9e7b8aaec1794126 19:52:29 in dynamic programming? heh 19:52:52 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 19:53:06 i just saw someone unable to solve a relatively simple problem because of patterns 19:54:10 So, yes, design patterns are missing language features, but one cannot design a language with all the features. Hence the need for lisp macros, and to let the user add features to the language. Therefore design patterns = macros, QED. 19:54:28 nice 19:55:16 what about functions? 19:55:51 They're the normal abstraction tool. 19:56:04 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:56:26 well, you can do anything macros do with functions, semantically 19:56:41 provided that you have first-class functions 19:56:42 pjb: good post 19:56:50 pjb: the above URL, I mean 19:57:02 Yes. There are two. 19:57:09 pjb: lol 19:57:19 pjb: reading your link 19:57:20 pjb: the above of the 2 above <-: 19:59:34 -!- bhaskara [~user@gw.willowgarage.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:12 stassats: Yay for turing tar pit 20:00:36 drdo: well, this is something that you should consider. 20:00:43 What should i consider? 20:00:44 drdo: it's not a particularly deep pit 20:00:53 first, lambda calculus was invented before turing machines (Turing was a student of Church). 20:00:55 using functions for things is actually sane 20:01:14 Then, you can perfectly well write programs in lambda calculus. Scheme is a thin layer over lambda calculus. 20:01:26 But you cannot write Turing Machine programs so easily. 20:02:12 pjb: I'd agree that lambda calculus is nicer than turing machine 20:02:49 The proof, is that it is trivial to implement a Turing Machine in lambda calculus or in Lisp (McCarthy did in one of his first lisp papers), but it's not so easy to implement lambda calculus in TM. There are some references that Turing did in an annex to his paper (but I didn't find it on the web), and it might just be a sketch. 20:02:54 If it makes you happier, i can start calling it  tar pit 20:02:59 and i wasn't talking about lambda calculus 20:03:23 So basically, Turing Machines are a depraved mechanism whose unique purpose is the Turing Tar Pit. 20:03:35 -!- sellout1 [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-37-125.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:51 Programming languages are all about making it easy and not at all about making it possible 20:03:52 sellout [~Adium@ALagny-751-1-37-125.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 20:04:05 drdo: it's much harder to call lambda calculus a tar pit, because you only need a page of definition to make it useful. 20:04:42 but it's not pure lambda calculus, you can't have abstractions! 20:05:48 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 20:05:54 sup 20:05:55 Writing programs in untyped -calculus is about as nice as doing it in brainfuck 20:06:03 stassats: you can name subexpressions. 20:06:24 naming is for cheaters, no naming 20:06:31 drdo: it's easy to reach lisp level from lambda calculus. 20:07:11 If you can name stuff then yes it increases the niceness by orders of magnitude 20:07:12 screw your theoretical machines, let's talk transistors 20:07:16 One funny thing with Turing Machines, is that if you want to keep the 'infinite memory' property (eg. when you implement lambda calculus or universal turing machines), then you are forced to use base 1. 20:07:52 stassats: Electronics stop being fun when you need millions of dollars of equipment to do anything 20:08:21 you can emulate transistors with lambda calculus, can't you? 20:08:26 I'm not particularly wealthy, so :S 20:08:57 stassats: exactly. Computer hardware following Von Neuman architecture was developed coarsely at the same time, and without much influcen from Turing Machines or Lambda Calculus. 20:09:06 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:12:14 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:13:29 pjb: what does "coarsely" mean? 20:13:53 -!- sonnym [~sonny@singlebrookvpn.lightlink.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:14:23 in this context it appears to mean "at approximately the same time" 20:14:34 pjb: or rather, what is meant by "coarsely" above :) 20:15:04 zfx [~zfx@host86-133-8-97.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 20:15:04 -!- zfx [~zfx@host86-133-8-97.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Changing host] 20:15:04 zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has joined #lisp 20:15:10 -!- argiopeweb [~elliot@155.31.51.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:16:06 turbofail: that meaning is still not apparent to me. 20:16:15 <_3b> "roughly" ? 20:17:42 -!- TristamWrk [~tristamwr@2620:0:2820:b03:214:22ff:fe45:5204] has quit [Quit: Some days you're the pigeon, some days the statue...] 20:17:49 approximately? 20:20:09 dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 20:20:27 setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@183.106.96.108] has joined #lisp 20:20:48 mon_key: it means that the exact date of creation of the Von Neuman architecture may be later than Lambda Calculus and Turing Machines, but time is relative, and the light cones are overlaped. 20:20:50 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:21:07 Or, what turbofail says. 20:21:31 pjb: Thanks, my intention wasn't pedantic. I wondered if you had some other insight into the thing you were only hinting at. 20:21:48 dlowe is a brilliant guy 20:22:05 No, just that. It seems that the hardware was developed without thinking about Turing's mathematical construct. 20:22:27 ITA, huh? are they still going to use lisp once they get g-assimilated? 20:22:28 were there actual hardware implementations of lambda calc? 20:23:07 what's the definition of "hardware implementation"? 20:23:07 mon_key: define "hardware implementation". 20:23:44 because, you know, my intel CPU can calculate lambdas 20:23:55 there's the scheme processor: http://repository.readscheme.org/ftp/papers/ai-lab-pubs/AIM-514.ps.gz 20:24:00 You can implement a memory system that would match the needs of lambda calculus (some kind of associative memory). But it'd be easier to implement it with some firmware, or just in software, as a VM. 20:24:14 stassats: can it? 20:24:34 it does! 20:24:41 typed? 20:24:57 any flavor you want 20:24:58 -!- SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@VEROXITY.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:16 turbofail: IIRC the general consensus is that gg would be insane to migrate the ITA codebase.. 20:26:25 Well, so far they were a separate business, not really g-assimilated. The question can be asked, will they be g-assimilated, and in this case it's most probable that they'll try to translate the code, as everybody else tries. 20:26:39 jweiss__ [~user@209.132.181.86] has joined #lisp 20:26:58 I mean, if they want to run it on the mapreduce, they'll have to rewrite it in Java, no? 20:27:13 SegFaultAX [~mkbernard@VEROXITY.ipcolo1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net] has joined #lisp 20:27:32 jweiss___ [~user@nat/redhat/x-wajuysqburmvjcxr] has joined #lisp 20:27:45 -!- jweiss_ [~user@nat/redhat/x-hqdaubdpzdeiksvl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:08 -!- Sulimo [~angel@host245-214-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:08 they can use ABCL 20:28:21 They could. 20:28:32 pjb: Its an interesting question independent of ITA/GG. Hows your CL<-> Objective C translation project going? 20:28:34 i think google's implementation of mapreduce uses C++ 20:28:36 -!- mstevens [~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:29:16 But the problem is not the compiler. It's the other "engineers" at google who don't understand lisp and can help on the maintainance. When you get 1000 perl/java guys, against 100 lispers, things get to move... 20:30:12 Is there anything public w/r/t to ITA's stuff not being somehow up to par? 20:30:25 I think Google is required by law to keep using common lisp for five years 20:30:27 mon_key: it's not a translation, just a DSL to write GUI stuff with the Objective-CL syntax. There has not been any progress on it, since almost complete. Now I need to use it. 20:30:33 but IANAL 20:31:20 so, lisp will be finally dead in five years? 20:31:31 So, Google+, Shuting down Google Labs, and in five years, rewrite of ITA software in Java... The end is close for Google. 20:31:38 Even after five years, I think they'd be insane to change it 20:31:56 We could bet on it. 20:32:03 -!- jweiss__ [~user@209.132.181.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:32:09 http://www.longbets.org/ 20:32:31 pjb: have you had any success/attemptys integrating with the ios? 20:32:44 Bet 217. Within the next 5 years, Google employees will become dissatisfied, and kick-start a new wave of new technology and prosperity in Silicon Valley. 20:32:56 erm 20:33:08 i think that's been happening since google started 20:33:14 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 20:33:35 mon_key: I didn't start yet. I guess I'll have to move to ecl which works well for iOS. There's a branch of ccl, but it might require more work. 20:33:38 i don't think google considers that to be a problem 20:33:53 google hires a monoculture of young, white, males from prestigious universities. academic pedigree is their #1 hiring criteria 20:33:54 I don't think google has much problem. 20:34:58 theve automated their hiring practices to bin any applicant that doesnt ahve a 4.0 from a top 10 university. of course there are exceptions: prominent open source devs, or someone with a high-pagerank blog 20:36:04 and yet... anyone who can get a job at google could be making 5x as much on wall street. so its puzzling how google can be as selective, or perhaps more selective than higher paying employers 20:36:26 part of that is because working for wall street usually sucks 20:36:44 apparently so does Google. ask Facebook's new chef. 20:37:08 jikanter [~Adium@66.146.192.111] has joined #lisp 20:37:44 sure working for a company whose motto was once "dont be evil" is better than working for a copmany like goldman whose implicit motto is "be as evil as possible"... but cubcicle slaves don't really have much choice - they have to pay the rent 20:38:05 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 20:39:56 http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2011/01/credentialism-and-elite-employment.html 20:40:12 pjb: maybe they will see the beauty of lisp and rewrite their C++ and Java codebase in CL 20:40:23 pjb: So ECL is probably best bet. Do you think its possible? 20:40:34 stassats: the probabilities are low, however. 20:40:42 mon_key: it's been done. 20:41:30 pjb: you've gotten something objective-cl <-> Ios on Ecl? 20:41:39 mon_key: but in anycase, ecl is easier, because it's just a library to be linked withyour C or Objective-C program. 20:41:40 why doesnt google use their own language - Go 20:42:04 HumanRemains: because they are waiting for you to teach them CL 20:42:39 sure google hires brilliant people, but their selection criteria heavily weights credentials 20:42:39 mon_key: I didn't try my objcl library on ecl yet. It should be easy to adapt it, there's only a few changes to make to call up the Objective-C stuff with the ecl FFI. 20:42:41 i don't think that's the place to discuss Google aside from the Lisp side 20:43:08 confab [180a3cb9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.10.60.185] has joined #lisp 20:43:29 pjb: I'd like to start fooling around with that stuff I guess i need to look at ECL more :) 20:43:35 oh hai HumanRemains! have you found your way into off-topic discussion again? 20:43:44 the one-armed bandit problem suggests that you use a mixed strategy that balances exploration (searching for new sources of talent) vs. exploitation (using known good sources of talent) 20:43:55 antifuchs: metachat is off-topic 20:44:14 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o antifuchs 20:44:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit 20:45:29 mon_key wishes Xach was around to tell HumanRemains to "go away" 20:45:35 bandu [kvirc@unaffiliated/bandu] has joined #lisp 20:45:44 you should use a mixed strategy, such as: Epsilon-greedy strategy: The best lever is selected for a proportion 1 of the trials, and another lever is randomly selected (with uniform probability) for a proportion . 20:45:47 awww 20:45:49 -!- HumanRemains [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has been kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (we're not here to validate your opinions.) 20:45:57 HumanRemains [~RawdealHu@oldwww4.internection.com] has joined #lisp 20:46:03 o.o 20:46:12 no one asked you to validate anything 20:46:15 -!- antifuchs has set mode +b *!~RawdealHu@oldwww4.internection.com 20:46:15 -!- HumanRemains [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has been kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) 20:46:29 in fact. HR got warned a couple times. too bad. 20:46:32 -!- antifuchs has set mode -o antifuchs 20:46:43 um.. should i leave? 20:46:49 nonono 20:46:52 pls don't (: 20:47:01 *bandu* is kindof spooked by the display of power 20:47:06 bandu: sorry about that. 20:47:07 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-148-217.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:12 *bandu* snugs antifuchs? 20:47:21 *antifuchs* cuddles 20:47:24 *bandu* calms 20:47:29 so, how are things? 20:47:32 God bless #lisp. Also, lisp. 20:47:45 somebody, kick bandu and antifuchs! 20:47:50 LOL 20:47:57 HR had been trolling for responses and resisted suggestions to return to topical chat for a while - we prefer things strictly on the business side of the REPL (: 20:48:14 lisp is awesome. i tried learning python, ruby, perl, lua, and even scheme. but i just keep wanting to come back to lisp 20:48:16 so here i am. 20:48:22 lisping until the end 20:48:43 i missed the repl and compiling projects in place ;~; 20:49:15 -!- jewel [~jewel@196-209-224-145.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:49:40 I was debugging a python thing yesterday, and was super-frustrated by the lack of argument values in backtraces 20:49:45 *bandu* grins at stassats, "so what's going on?" 20:50:03 anyone have an opinion on the latest Xamarin/Mono announcement. Seems like now would be a good time to consider CL bindings. 20:50:21 antifuchs: oh, i see. 20:50:33 nothing stops python from having a similar to slime environment (perhaps there is, but not for emacs), but i guess there's no much demand 20:50:36 common lisp.NET? 20:50:42 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 20:50:49 stassats: I'm not sure - I think python exceptions unwind permaturely 20:51:06 but yeah, it would be nice to have I guess (: 20:51:07 LISP.NET would be interesting. 20:51:16 how exactly would that work? 20:51:24 stassats: it's not obvious. Ruby as something like a REPL too, but it's horrible to use, you can't really debug a program with it. 20:51:45 gdb is pretty good. 20:51:49 didn't Edi Weitz write a .net adapter thing for lisp? 20:51:49 -!- Elench is now known as Hcnele 20:51:58 rdznl 20:52:01 yeah, that 20:52:12 no, rdnzl 20:52:19 bandu: lisp.net is parked. So you'd have to fork money to buy back the domain. 20:52:34 hehe. 20:52:41 i didnt mean the domain. 20:52:56 though that would be a prestigious domain to have 20:53:18 Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has joined #lisp 20:53:21 Well the Xamarin people seem to have a pretty good stance w/r/t to licensing models and platform interop 20:53:23 Well, it's urgent to wait with .NET; Microsoft is switching to Windows 8 - their iOS clone, so they may drop a lot of older "technologies"... 20:53:48 win8 is going to be like iOS? 20:53:57 meaning.. win8 is going to be based on darwin??? 20:54:06 pjb: win8 is going to be like gnome3 20:54:11 hahaha 20:54:12 *bandu* makes a mess in his pants 20:54:18 all javascript and html5 20:54:33 santero [~santero@ip98-182-45-93.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 20:54:34 -!- elliottcable is now known as ec|fkn_away_nick 20:55:02 that would be interesting. to see windows become more like mac os x 20:55:15 -!- ngz [~user@231.179.205.77.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:55:23 to use a generation 3 or 4 microkernel 20:55:37 -!- gravicappa [~gravicapp@p57A4021F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:43 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 20:55:51 one reason the Xamarin guys are kinda neat is they kinda told the gnome people early on to get f*cked 20:56:18 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyotos i wish microsoft bought this, and made win9 out of it 20:56:44 *bandu* is a kde fan 20:56:45 I think you'll find a couple people that don't love the darwin ukernel + mach + monolithic kernel design all that much. 20:56:50 isn't that what the Hurd is based on?... 20:56:53 bandu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsNwHoM7txs 20:57:01 pbj: watching. 20:57:03 I don't know what they put below, but above... 20:57:35 bandu: well they hired the author of coyotos, but not to work on coyotos... 20:57:36 pkhuong: everybody actually working on the OS level on the darwin kernel? (: 20:57:50 No, not really, not. 20:58:10 There was Tenavian, but he's CTO, so that doesn't leave him much time to program anymore. 20:58:28 antifuchs: or with ;) 20:58:35 Evening there. I'm having problems again \o/ I'm trying to build a pathname out of a list of strings (like ("foo" "bar") to "foo/bar") but sbcl tells me that the string i supply "is not allowed as a directory component." 20:58:51 It must start with :absolute or :relative 20:58:52 TrIpNI [~santero@ool-45720071.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 20:58:57 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:58 greetings 20:59:04 (make-pathname :directory (list :relative "foo" "bar")) 20:59:24 pjb: Yes, but I have the strings as argument 20:59:36 Give me a sec, I'll post the code 20:59:37 (make-pathname :directory (cons :relative path-items)) 21:00:22 pjb: http://pastebin.com/LZj5dyCV 21:00:33 pjb: that works if path-items is a list? 21:00:36 tcr [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 21:00:37 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:39 on the lisp and .net issue there has been attempts at lisp variants in dotnet 21:01:03 phryk: the functions to build lists are list, append, cons, etc. 21:01:17 huh. 21:01:19 phryk: quote is not a function, it's a special operator. It's purpose is not to build anything, but to do exactly nothing. 21:01:23 that's actually pretty cool. 21:01:31 This old Miguel de Icaza email has some interesting discussion apropos a long term vision which (I think) de Icaza has managed to sustain where others havent: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-06-011-20-OP-GN-MS 21:01:40 a neat new interface, looks like it was inspired by android 21:02:09 pjb: the argument 'args' is a list of strings is what I mean 21:03:38 Harag: the idea/insinuation was that now that Xamarin/Mono is less impeded w/r/t legal junk surrouding Mono it might be a good time to revisit the issue :) 21:04:55 mon_key: i helped implemented mono on symbian opperating system and mono is a mess and will always be to far behind 21:05:12 -!- ace4016 [ace4016@adsl-98-64-83-200.mia.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: When there's nothing left to burn you have to set yourself on fire.] 21:05:25 i personally think that some of the stuff they added to dotnet to support F# could actually make it possible now to implement a full cl on dot now 21:05:30 Harag: from the horses mouth, I stand corrected :\ 21:06:36 but personnally i would rather see ms die than help with the monopoly they have 21:07:02 MS is no longer the beast... 21:07:07 pjb: thanks the second one of you works. Now I'll just have to understand the notation :) 21:07:11 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 21:07:23 -!- vert2 [~vert2@newshell1.bshellz.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:17 -!- pnq [~nick@172.162.53.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:09:02 phryk: you need to read a book. 21:09:03 Harag: I'm personally far more tantalized by the thougth of there being a reasonable ios/android interface for CL than one for MS. 21:09:11 minion: tell phryk about pcl 21:09:24 phryk: http://gigamonkeys.com/book 21:09:27 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:44 phryk: http://www.franz.com/resources/educational_resources/cooper.book.pdf 21:09:55 chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has joined #lisp 21:09:55 -!- chiguire|m [~chiguire@190.39.219.179] has quit [Changing host] 21:09:55 chiguire|m [~chiguire@gentoo/developer/chiguire] has joined #lisp 21:10:36 And since those references have already been given to you, AFAIR, perhaps you should try a gentler approach with this book: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/ 21:11:47 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:12:12 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:12:21 Hundenn [~Hunden@e180103053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 21:12:57 pjb: sorry, this was a last minute ditch thing Book should go out to the parcel service in a few days I think this should be the last dumb thing I bug you with without properly reading about it before 21:13:16 -!- Hunden [~Hunden@e180103053.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:13:27 I also have an older lisp book at home, but I'm currently out 21:13:31 vert2 [~vert2@newshell1.bshellz.net] has joined #lisp 21:13:42 -!- zfx [~zfx@unaffiliated/zfx] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 21:15:38 phryk: all those books are ON LINE! I gave you the links to the PDF! 21:16:01 It doesn't matter where you leave them they're always available on the web! 21:16:10 phryk: this is 2011, not 1611!!!!!!! 21:16:47 Good night. 21:17:34 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 21:17:37 tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has joined #lisp 21:18:10 what was in 1611? 21:18:20 you only had offline .pdfs? 21:18:30 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:19:38 hi 21:20:07 yello 21:21:19 i want to say element 2th of my list point to what element 3 is pointing to and element 3 to point element 2 21:21:36 you just said it 21:21:42 yeah thanks 21:22:18 clhs setf 21:22:18 http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_setf.htm 21:22:40 s0ber_ [~s0ber@111-240-171-216.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #lisp 21:22:43 -!- s0ber [~s0ber@111-240-173-60.dynamic.hinet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:49 -!- s0ber_ is now known as s0ber 21:23:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-132-188-166.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #lisp 21:23:18 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@catv-89-132-188-166.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Changing host] 21:23:18 attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has joined #lisp 21:23:26 rotatef might be more apropos 21:23:52 jsnell: thanks 21:24:24 cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has joined #lisp 21:24:39 jsnell: i wanted to reinvent that ! 21:25:39 -!- Davidbrcz [~david@ANantes-151-1-230-245.w90-54.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:27:46 -!- schoppenhauer [~christoph@unaffiliated/schoppenhauer] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:28:40 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-67-180-32-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:29:40 rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust941.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #lisp 21:30:39 urandom__ [~user@p548A4C57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:20 sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-67-180-32-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:31:26 dmiles_afk [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-46-145.cascadeaccess.com] has joined #lisp 21:31:57 -!- jjkola [~jjkola@syi-ogw1-3000.syi.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:32:38 -!- looopy [~looopy@adsl-074-236-131-226.sip.cae.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:27 -!- dmiles [~dmiles@dsl-72-19-48-065.cascadeaccess.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:34:12 -!- dlowe [~dlowe@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:25 -!- sabalaba [~sabalaba@c-67-180-32-11.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:35:11 nm Mono is basically targeting the LLVM (as is GG with their Native Client) 21:35:58 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 21:36:33 Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 21:37:39 billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has joined #lisp 21:38:40 -!- Amadiro_ [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:44 phadthai [mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net] has joined #lisp 21:39:29 Amadiro [~Amadiro@ti0021a380-dhcp3462.bb.online.no] has joined #lisp 21:39:34 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:40:17 im still here? lol 21:40:29 im going to put something on pastebin hold on 21:41:28 bhaskara [~user@c-98-248-43-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 21:42:12 before i go 21:42:21 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 21:42:21 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 21:42:21 When Fuchs isn't lurking, he engages in endless meta-chat. Fuchs is a topic nazi. Check this out: * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (we're not here to validate your opinions.) * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) Clearly antifuchs thinks that Freenode's network policies don't apply to him. Fuchs enjoys off-topic chat, as 21:42:21 long as it's his own: 21:42:21 [12:40] Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke way too far [20:54] wow, xach! wigflip.com has a business model now? (-: [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who 21:42:21 gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: 21:42:23 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 21:42:23 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 21:42:23 When Fuchs isn't lurking, he engages in endless meta-chat. Fuchs is a topic nazi. Check this out: * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (we're not here to validate your opinions.) * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) Clearly antifuchs thinks that Freenode's network policies don't apply to him. Fuchs enjoys off-topic chat, as 21:42:23 long as it's his own: 21:42:24 [12:40] Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke way too far [20:54] wow, xach! wigflip.com has a business model now? (-: [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who 21:42:24 gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: 21:42:25 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 21:42:25 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 21:42:27 D: 21:42:28 -!- attila_lendvai [~attila_le@unaffiliated/attila-lendvai/x-3126965] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:42:37 gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: 21:42:47 looaoooalalaalaooaolol 21:42:47 -!- HG` [~HG@p5DC057FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:42:49 haha 21:42:51 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 21:42:51 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 21:42:51 When Fuchs isn't lurking, he engages in endless meta-chat. Fuchs is a topic nazi. Check this out: * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (we're not here to validate your opinions.) * You were kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) Clearly antifuchs thinks that Freenode's network policies don't apply to him. Fuchs enjoys off-topic chat, as 21:42:51 long as it's his own: 21:42:51 [12:40] Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke way too far [20:54] wow, xach! wigflip.com has a business model now? (-: [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who 21:42:51 gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: 21:42:51 Whoah! santero weren't you going to use the *pastebin* 21:42:54 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o antifuchs 21:42:57 please stop. 21:42:57 andreas fucks = nazi troll 21:43:02 Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 21:43:06 -!- antifuchs has set mode +b *!~santero@ip98-182-45-93.ri.ri.cox.net 21:43:06 -!- santero [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has been kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) 21:43:07 /ignore santero 21:43:13 #Lisp is renamed to #pastebin 21:43:16 thank you x.x 21:43:18 thank god for idiots 21:43:21 what would we do without them 21:43:25 Ah, too slow :-) And I can't type for toffee it seems. 21:43:38 indeed. 21:43:50 also, /ignore isnt a cure-all 21:43:56 not a panacea by far 21:44:00 lol 21:44:06 i prefer /oper 21:44:06 you will notice that #lisp is a strange attractor for all kinds of people off their psych meds 21:44:06 someone doesn't like antifuchs 21:44:12 hehe 21:44:23 I really wish I was joking 21:44:31 Yeah, it's at the bottom of the labels - "Now go join #lisp" 21:44:37 -!- Transformer [~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:44:37 i am bipolar, but you seem like a nice enough guy. 21:44:43 (; 21:44:46 ;3 21:44:57 antifuchs - hes crazy because you're a bad op? excellent logic there 21:45:03 but i take REALLY expensive medications to keep me stable 21:45:19 TrIpNI: you may wanna read up on the history before passing judgement there (: 21:45:20 anyway. 21:45:33 not that there's anything wrong with non-neurotypical people. just... people are trying to get work done here. 21:45:40 hehehe 21:45:41 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 21:45:50 those good old neuroatypicals 21:46:04 *bandu* is pleased to be one of them 21:46:42 lisp is atypical too 21:46:42 bipolarity can be really useful :o 21:46:56 hypomania is fun :F 21:46:58 :D 21:50:22 -!- rmarianski [~rmariansk@mail.marianski.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:50:33 jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has joined #lisp 21:52:55 ArchMonkey [~ArchMonke@S0106001b63f2b998.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 21:58:26 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 22:00:51 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:26 antifuchs- [~antifuchs@ip98-182-45-93.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #lisp 22:01:28 It's only "off-topic" if Andreas Fuchface - the Austrian topic nazi troll - disagrees with it. Check this out: [15:43] oh hai HumanRemains! have you found your way into off-topic discussion again? [15:43] antifuchs: metachat is off-topic Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke 22:01:28 way too far 22:01:28 [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: || What the fuck does schopenhauer have to do with CL exactly? Fuchs is an offtopic troll who bans ppl doing exactly what he does lol. The pastebin http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP and reddit 22:01:28 post will remain up until antifucker complies with freenode policy against personally-motivated bans 22:01:28 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 22:01:29 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 22:01:31 loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool 22:01:32 It's only "off-topic" if Andreas Fuchface - the Austrian topic nazi troll - disagrees with it. Check this out: [15:43] oh hai HumanRemains! have you found your way into off-topic discussion again? [15:43] antifuchs: metachat is off-topic Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke 22:01:33 way too far 22:01:33 [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: || What the fuck does schopenhauer have to do with CL exactly? Fuchs is an offtopic troll who bans ppl doing exactly what he does lol. The pastebin http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP and reddit 22:01:33 post will remain up until antifucker complies with freenode policy against personally-motivated bans 22:01:33 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 22:01:33 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 22:01:37 It's only "off-topic" if Andreas Fuchface - the Austrian topic nazi troll - disagrees with it. Check this out: [15:43] oh hai HumanRemains! have you found your way into off-topic discussion again? [15:43] antifuchs: metachat is off-topic Fade: mine come from typing convenience on weird keyboards [12:40] also, from taking an inside inside joke 22:01:38 way too far 22:01:38 [20:54] "You can put the poster on your website, or even get a print for just $9.95. A giant, 36" wide print is just $19.95!" (-: [11:39] hee hee. who gave Zhivago the Schopenhauer? (: || What the fuck does schopenhauer have to do with CL exactly? Fuchs is an offtopic troll who bans ppl doing exactly what he does lol. The pastebin http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP and reddit 22:01:38 post will remain up until antifucker complies with freenode policy against personally-motivated bans 22:01:38 http://pastebin.com/9n0HFsVP - Andreas Fuchs (also known as "antifuchs") is an Austrian nazi / troll on the Freenode #lisp IRC channel. Address: Andreas Fuchs Westbahnstraße 14/12 Vienna, AT, A-1070 asf@boinkor.net asf@void.at antifuchs Registered : Aug 29 21:52:21 2003 (7 years, 46 weeks, 4 days, 23:40:47 ago) Last addr : ~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com http://stea 22:01:38 mcommunity.com/id/antifuchs http://www.youtube.com/user/antifuchs http://twitter.com/#!/antifuchs http://www.linkedin.com/in/antifuchs 22:01:39 *antifuchs* sighs 22:01:44 -!- antifuchs has set mode +b *!~antifuchs@ip98-182-45-93.ri.ri.cox.net 22:01:45 -!- antifuchs- [~foobar@ec2-184-73-244-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has been kicked from #lisp by antifuchs (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.) 22:03:19 how large /can/ that ban list grow anyway 22:04:32 no idea 22:04:45 it used to be set to a smaller limit a while ago, I think 22:04:46 anyway. 22:05:17 -!- Night-hacks [~nullpoint@95.38.52.69] has left #lisp 22:05:30 dude tells me he's teaching me a lesson. I'm sure we are all very grateful that he's letting you all take part in the learning experience. )-: 22:05:41 charmed, i'm sure. :/ 22:06:12 anyway. anyone else want to take over the ban hammer? Zhivago? Xach? I'm getting tired of this. 22:06:31 shake [~shake@cpe-24-242-102-222.gt.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:06:37 At least I now know you are Austrian. 22:06:44 haha, yay (: 22:06:52 pleased to meet you :3 22:07:01 ASau``` [~user@95-27-147-30.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #lisp 22:07:02 hi all 22:07:04 Erm, guten abend? 22:07:04 also, nice name 22:07:27 antifuchs: I can do it 22:07:33 thanks, fe[nl]ix (: 22:07:35 -!- antifuchs has set mode -o antifuchs 22:07:36 is asf@void.at an xmpp address? if so, may i add you? ;3 22:07:44 it's been out of service for ages. 22:07:52 aww 22:07:54 try the one listed on boinkor.net (: 22:08:00 okay! :D 22:08:32 vert2_ [~vert2@newshell1.bshellz.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:34 sinohscrim [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:08:55 cyrillos_ [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has joined #lisp 22:08:55 jkantz_ [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has joined #lisp 22:09:12 -!- ChanServ has set mode +o fe[nl]ix 22:09:24 *bandu* adds antifuchs 22:09:36 good to know 22:09:48 whenever someone pulls that crap, i just start adding friends on xmpp XD 22:10:27 antifuchs: how many ops does #lisp have ? 22:10:48 you can query chanserv, AFAIR 22:10:58 cmatei_ [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has joined #lisp 22:11:25 fe[nl]ix: I've added you to the chanserv ops list; /msg chanserv flags #lisp 22:12:18 can anyone recommend good intro for c(++) programmer but lisp noob? 22:12:20 anyone who agrees to be antifuchs white knight gets ops :) 22:12:45 shake: Practical Common Lisp 22:12:53 TrIpNI: you may very well think that, but I couldn't possibly comment. 22:13:00 ISF_ [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has joined #lisp 22:13:06 pnq [~nick@ACA250B0.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 22:13:10 stassats: ty 22:13:52 -!- ArchMonkey [~ArchMonke@S0106001b63f2b998.ok.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:52 -!- vert2 [~vert2@newshell1.bshellz.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:52 -!- Kryztof [~user@csrhodes.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- scrimohsin [~cms@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- cmatei [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- setmeaway2 [~setmeaway@183.106.96.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- cyrillos [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- jkantz [~jkantz@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- Jasko2 [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:53 -!- mon_key [~user@unaffiliated/monkey/x-267253] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:54 -!- ISF [~ivan@187.106.54.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:54 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:55 -!- v0|d [~user@93.94.250.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:55 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:55 -!- ASau`` [~user@95-27-147-30.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:13:55 mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:56 Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 22:13:58 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@c-66-31-28-194.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:13:58 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 22:14:03 hmm 22:14:12 netsplit? 22:14:14 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 22:14:18 what should i agree to become so that the minion returns? 22:14:33 <_3b> c-l.net op? :p 22:14:45 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 22:15:43 or somebody-who-adds-auto-reconnect 22:15:45 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 22:15:52 ltriant [~ltriant@lithium.mailguard.com.au] has joined #lisp 22:16:18 <_3b> yeah, that might work too 22:16:19 stassats: it is generally agreed that minion needs a rewrite, along with lisppaste 22:16:27 hint, hint 22:16:34 what doesn't need a rewrite 22:16:41 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 22:17:35 -!- milanj [~milanj_@109-93-204-169.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:18:00 -!- rootzlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: quit] 22:19:00 -!- jao [~user@pdpc/supporter/professional/jao] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:25 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:20:36 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:21:37 -!- stassats [~stassats@wikipedia/stassats] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22:21 Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:24:10 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:17 i want to write a PSYC client and server in LISP 22:24:19 it would be cool 22:24:24 so i'm learning LISP now 22:24:32 with the Gentle Guide 22:25:42 ArchMonkey [~ArchMonke@S0106001b63f2b998.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:25:43 (see the PCL link I just sent you over there) (-: 22:25:56 bandu: What's PSYC? 22:25:57 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 22:26:54 antoszka: http://about.psyc.eu/User_talk:Coyo#Introduction 22:27:05 thx 22:27:34 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:44 -!- cyrillos_ [~cyrill@188.134.33.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:27:45 from http://about.psyc.eu/PSYC :: PSYC is a flexible text-based protocol for delivery of data to a flexible amount of recipients or people, by unicast or multicast . 22:28:06 it's basically supposed to be IRC done right. 22:28:13 What are the major advantages over IRC? 22:28:16 (if any) 22:28:20 but the project desperately needs more developers 22:28:23 hoping, a non-insane protocol (: 22:28:41 well, interserver traffic doesnt require complete trust between server admins, for one thing 22:28:46 multicast is saner 22:29:02 the network is global. 22:29:09 here's a screenshot 22:29:51 Multicast should be done right, first. It never was, and doesn't seem it is/will be in IPv6, either. 22:31:51 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4975626/snapshot-10.png 22:31:57 very true 22:32:21 i wish they implimented true multicast in ipv6, but i guess we'll just have to wait for that. 22:32:36 however, such restrictions dont exist in an overlay network, now do they ;3 22:34:19 :) 22:36:43 -!- replore_ [~replore@ntkngw133234.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:04 -!- ignotus [~ignotus@unaffiliated/ignotus] has left #lisp 22:37:22 -!- rswarbrick [~rswarbric@cpc1-cove3-0-0-cust941.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:37:32 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:37:39 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 22:37:52 pavelludiq [~pavelludi@87.246.58.193] has joined #lisp 22:38:52 -!- peterhil [~peterhil@hoasnet-ff04dd00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:14 sonnym [~evissecer@rrcs-184-74-137-167.nys.biz.rr.com] has joined #lisp 22:39:52 -!- sinohscrim is now known as scrimohsin 22:40:00 -!- scrimohsin [~cms@c-98-246-47-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:40:01 scrimohsin [~cms@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has joined #lisp 22:41:08 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.112.85] has joined #lisp 22:42:18 Salamander [~Salamande@ppp118-210-88-31.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 22:42:45 mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.112.85] has joined #lisp 22:43:23 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.112.85] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:43:55 -!- mishoo [~mishoo@79.112.112.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:45:45 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-8-113.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:47:33 dto1 [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:08 Ralith_ [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 22:50:42 peterhil [~peterhil@hoasnet-ff04dd00-56.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #lisp 22:52:33 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA250B0.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:12 -!- shake [~shake@cpe-24-242-102-222.gt.res.rr.com] has left #lisp 22:54:33 -!- Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:33 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:34 -!- Jasko [~tjasko@c-174-59-204-245.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:34 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-uqxtggwshrtmlzrl] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:34 -!- Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:34 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:54:35 -!- jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:55:03 jiacobucci [~jiacobucc@gw-asdl.ae.gatech.edu] has joined #lisp 22:55:42 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 22:58:27 -!- ISF_ is now known as ISF 22:58:58 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59:29 zfx [~zfx@host86-133-8-97.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #lisp 22:59:29 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-uqxtggwshrtmlzrl] has joined #lisp 22:59:29 Dodek [am291698@students.mimuw.edu.pl] has joined #lisp 22:59:44 -!- AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:01:33 -!- literal [hinrik@w.nix.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:01:41 AntiSpamMeta [~MetaBot@unaffiliated/afterdeath/bot/antispambot] has joined #lisp 23:03:49 -!- Ralith_ is now known as Ralith 23:04:55 Kenjin [~josesanto@bl16-193-212.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #lisp 23:05:25 mgr [~mgr@mail.phinn.de] has joined #lisp 23:09:27 ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has joined #lisp 23:10:02 :3 23:10:06 *bandu* snuggles someone at random 23:11:05 mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:11:05 -!- mrSpec [~Spec@pool-151-204-255-122.bstnma.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 23:11:05 mrSpec [~Spec@unaffiliated/mrspec] has joined #lisp 23:11:07 wow, lisp is amazing. so a lisp interpreter is actually, literally, a virtual lisp machine! it simulates the old vacuum tube machines with registers and content portions... 23:11:11 i love lisp. 23:11:36 car and cdr.. that's why those are called that.. 23:11:39 i never knew 23:11:54 it's not an interpreter, though (: 23:12:03 (at least many lisps out there aren't) 23:12:11 they compile transparently 23:12:23 (or explicitly, if you use the COMPILE function) 23:13:03 -!- tfb [~tfb@restormel.cley.com] has quit [Quit: gone] 23:13:56 e.g. sbcl will automatically compile to machine code and call that (: 23:14:09 neat :o 23:14:17 i use sbcl 23:14:23 and yes, it's often faster than C++ 23:14:31 Vivitron [~user@pool-71-174-61-33.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:14:34 -!- pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15:41 -!- mishoo__ [~mishoo@79.112.112.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:16:42 :3 23:18:01 zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 23:21:55 -!- zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:24:49 -!- billstclair [~billstcla@unaffiliated/billstclair] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:25:25 pnq [~nick@ACA21351.ipt.aol.com] has joined #lisp 23:26:15 -!- cmatei_ [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:27:06 -!- kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-uqxtggwshrtmlzrl] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 23:27:52 bandu: if you want to have some fun, here is the original LISP paper, AIM-8: http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/aim-8/index.html http://www.informatimago.com/develop/lisp/small-cl-pgms/m-expression/index.html 23:28:02 oooooh :o 23:28:16 looky.. 23:32:14 chu_ [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-43-95.lns3.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:32:27 -!- tessier [~treed@216.105.40.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:32:47 cmatei_ [~cmatei@78.96.101.240] has joined #lisp 23:34:17 -!- chu_ [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-43-95.lns3.civ.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:02 chu_ [~mathew.ba@CPE-58-169-43-95.lns3.civ.bigpond.net.au] has joined #lisp 23:35:48 zmv_ [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has joined #lisp 23:36:41 kpreid [~kpreid@nat/google/x-rkepjsvmybsgfcst] has joined #lisp 23:38:41 -!- zmv [~Telefonic@187.57.24.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39:20 -!- tcr [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:50 -!- scrimohsin [~cms@unaffiliated/scrimohsin] has quit [Quit: 'bye.] 23:41:02 -!- zmv_ is now known as zmv 23:44:52 -!- ignas [~ignas@ctv-79-132-160-221.vinita.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46:23 rootzlevel [~hpd@static.6.236.40.188.clients.your-server.de] has joined #lisp 23:49:39 pferor [~user@177.212.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lisp 23:49:41 -!- pferor [~user@177.212.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Changing host] 23:49:41 pferor [~user@unaffiliated/pferor] has joined #lisp 23:50:17 pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-96-250-220-99.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 23:52:42 -!- benny [~benny@i577A7BC4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]