00:00:37 i guess i'm confyoosed. 00:00:55 let's limit the discussion to clsql 00:02:08 if i'm creating a new database, do i do it through the definition of clsql base table view classes, and then at some point issue a command to create the tables? 00:05:00 -!- razieliyo [~user@unaffiliated/razieliyo] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:06:26 Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.159.62] has joined #lisp 00:07:55 -!- shaggy- [~yes@93-141-5-61.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [] 00:09:19 -!- rvirding [~chatzilla@95.209.48.42.bredband.tre.se] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]] 00:10:07 -!- setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:03 guther [guther@newshell1.bshellz.net] has joined #lisp 00:13:01 ... and the mome raths outgrabe 00:13:14 all mimsy were the borogroves 00:14:59 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 00:19:58 xxxyyy [~xyxu@58.41.1.251] has joined #lisp 00:21:12 -!- fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:19 fe[nl]ix [~quassel@pdpc/supporter/professional/fenlix] has joined #lisp 00:22:08 -!- pdenno [~pdenno@129.6.72.17] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:26:02 setmeaway [setmeaway3@118.45.149.131] has joined #lisp 00:26:12 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.159.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:30:50 -!- ch077179 [~urs@xdsl-188-155-1-133.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:30:59 neoesque [~neoesque@210.59.147.232] has joined #lisp 00:37:29 Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.159.62] has joined #lisp 00:45:15 -!- taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:51:11 -!- Yuuhi [benni@p5483BA1A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 00:52:29 -!- ec|detached is now known as elliottcable 00:54:05 taiyal [~taiyal@bb-216-195-184-102.gwi.net] has joined #lisp 01:00:32 -!- xan_ [~xan@94.Red-193-152-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:05:38 insomniaSalt [~milan@port-92-204-100-160.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #lisp 01:14:06 -!- carlocci [~nes@93.37.214.147] has quit [Quit: eventually IE will rot and die] 01:19:15 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp121-45-67-204.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:21:04 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:21:49 -!- mcstar [~mcstar@adsl-89-132-3-104.monradsl.monornet.hu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 01:31:23 wormphlegm [~wormphleg@c-50-131-44-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:31:58 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-190-43.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 01:34:28 -!- yates [~yates@nc-71-54-138-121.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1] 01:36:47 topeak [~topeak@123.114.122.113] has joined #lisp 01:36:55 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:38:41 -!- zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:33 zenlunatic [~justin@c-68-48-40-231.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 01:49:14 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.231.214] has joined #lisp 01:53:02 -!- _pw_ [~user@123.112.65.96] has left #lisp 02:01:07 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 02:05:08 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:42 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:06:16 Good morning everyone! 02:06:33 dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #lisp 02:10:50 -!- fmeyer [~fmeyer@187.105.253.191] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:10:59 bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 02:12:01 -!- Trystam is now known as Tristam 02:15:09 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 02:16:51 -!- Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 02:19:04 _mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has joined #lisp 02:19:14 -!- mathrick [~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:28 -!- Textmode [~boneidle@adsl-syd-2-23.ozonline.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:23:34 college-ruled [48d58dc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.213.141.195] has joined #lisp 02:23:34 beach, no, good night :-) 02:23:46 -!- littlebobby [~bob@unaffiliated/littlebobby] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:24:00 hi girls and guys 02:24:14 Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 02:24:41 hello college-ruled 02:25:04 hello beach 02:25:11 college-ruled: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick. 02:25:24 beach: yes i am new to lisp and this channel 02:26:56 i've been trying different implementations (LispWorks Personal, SBCL, found one called ReadyLisp for Mac). So far it's been neat, but I am having some trouble incorporating 3rd party libraries. 02:27:24 -!- Tristam [~Tristam@72.226.124.205] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:40 You should probably use quicklisp then. 02:28:09 http://www.quicklisp.org 02:30:04 college-ruled: Quicklisp is used with some implementation, typically SBCL to install libraries. 02:30:40 beach: that's what i've been having trouble with. It fails on cl-gtk2 and cl-opengl claiming a foreign language function error. 02:30:47 Ralith [~ralith@S010600221561996a.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #lisp 02:31:01 On which implementation? 02:31:06 SBCL 02:31:22 What version of SBCL do you have? 02:31:50 1.0.49 02:32:23 This is the error 02:32:23 debugger invoked on a LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY-ERROR: Unable to load any of the alternatives: ("libglib-2.0.0.dylib" "libglib-2.0.dylib") 02:32:39 college-ruled: do you have libglib installed? (I assume you're on mac?) 02:32:57 Yeah I am on mac. No I haven't. What is that? 02:33:50 It's a library that provides a lot of support code that's used by gtk applications. 02:34:13 pkhuong: thanks I will look into it. 02:34:22 Thanks beach for your help. 02:35:01 college-ruled: Sure. That one I would not have found. Good that pkhuong was here. 02:35:54 lol, I am just glad someone helped me here. I've tried #quicklisp, seems like everyone is asleep. I didn't see any documentation at cliki about needing glib installed though. 02:40:15 -!- zort- [~eitan@bas1-toronto07-1176321428.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:40:42 college-ruled: that would usually come with installing the rest of gtk 02:44:04 pkhuong: I am seeing that the only gtk+ is gtk-osx which seems to fail when I try to build it. x( 02:48:38 Tristam [~Tristam@cpe-72-226-124-205.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 02:52:16 -!- Mococa [~Mococa@189.115.159.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:53:32 I see a gtk+ in brew as well. That's likely going to work through X11 instead of using the native API. 02:55:21 Penten [~user@114.255.149.182] has joined #lisp 02:55:43 -!- kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:56:30 -!- _mathrick is now known as mathrick 02:59:10 -!- urandom__ [~user@p548A420C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59:42 -!- Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Quit: bbl] 03:02:15 -!- Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:02:31 Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 03:03:28 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 03:03:57 -!- Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has quit [Client Quit] 03:05:55 scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has joined #lisp 03:06:44 is there an apply like function (3rd party even) that's designed for splicing args in a arg positions other than the end? 03:07:06 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.231.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:07:33 -!- pizzledizzle [~pizdets@pool-98-113-194-183.nycmny.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 03:07:34 Axioplase [~Axioplase@fortigate.kb.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp] has joined #lisp 03:08:09 (apply2 f a b '(:splicing (c d e)) f g) => (apply f '(a b c d e f g)) 03:08:59 -!- loke [~elias@bb116-14-205-201.singnet.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:09:05 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.218.113] has joined #lisp 03:10:05 (apply f a b '(c d e) f g) 03:10:37 that doesn't do what you want? 03:11:17 -!- dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has quit [Quit: dnolen] 03:11:29 kennyd: do you know how apply works? :) 03:11:51 scottj yes 03:11:54 (apply #'+ 1 2 '(3 4)) is ok, (apply #'+ 1 2 '(3 4) 5) is not. argseq must be last 03:12:16 (apply f `(,a ,b ,@(list c d e) ,f ,g))? 03:12:45 ok I'll shut up now 03:15:24 -!- Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:15:51 pinterface: thanks 03:16:16 loke [~elias@bb116-14-205-201.singnet.com.sg] has joined #lisp 03:16:24 Possible (apply (rcurry (curry f a b) f g) (list c d e)) 03:16:31 Possibly* 03:17:44 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.218.113] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:19:46 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.75.188] has joined #lisp 03:20:09 kushal [~kdas@fedora/kushal] has joined #lisp 03:23:28 Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has joined #lisp 03:27:23 -!- _schulte_ [~eschulte@c-174-56-1-147.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:42:38 ehine1 [~ericyoda@69.205.154.161] has joined #lisp 03:44:09 -!- zeroish [~zeroish@135.207.174.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:47:30 -!- dto [~dto@pool-96-252-62-25.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:54:24 mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.124.25] has joined #lisp 03:54:50 -!- mishoo_ [~mishoo@79.112.124.25] has quit [Client Quit] 03:54:58 -!- college-ruled [48d58dc3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.213.141.195] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:57:07 cataska [~cataska@210.64.6.233] has joined #lisp 03:58:20 -!- scottj [~scott@206.212.250.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:00:39 dottnpp [~dottnpp@c-67-188-3-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #lisp 04:01:53 -!- dottnpp [~dottnpp@c-67-188-3-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:04 -!- tauntaun [~Crumpet@ool-44c711b3.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:17:56 nowhereman [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-91-149.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:18:27 -!- theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:18:44 -!- nowhere_man [~pierre@AStrasbourg-551-1-101-227.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:19:31 theBlackDragon [~dragon@83.101.84.27] has joined #lisp 04:25:18 plage [~user@ABordeaux-552-1-128-43.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #lisp 04:25:51 morganb [~user@64-238-171-196.cab.apt.gru.net] has joined #lisp 04:26:30 zardoz- [~mickey@76.73.16.26] has joined #lisp 04:27:45 parolang [~parolang@c-64-246-121-114.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #lisp 04:27:59 -!- homie [~levgue@xdsl-78-35-132-149.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 04:29:58 timi [73ee5924@gateway/web/freenode/ip.115.238.89.36] has joined #lisp 04:31:09 if one wanted to implement a balanced binary tree would you use conses/list or a struct to represent the node? 04:32:20 legumbre [~user@ec2-174-129-82-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #lisp 04:32:28 I'd go with structs. 04:32:37 zardoz-: I would use a struct, for it's easier to read for humans when debugging. 04:32:38 Much nicer to work with, and for others to use. 04:32:53 Or, even, a class, if the design isn't set in stone still. 04:33:00 gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-148-150.vologda.ru] has joined #lisp 04:33:29 (in fact, I never use structs in CL. Always classes. I don't know how bad this is, nor what the overhead is) 04:33:35 thanks. i asked out of curiousity because i got the impression that lispers prefer conses for everything (as confirmed in #emacs) 04:34:08 and i saw no reason why one would prefer (car node) over (node-left node) 04:34:42 That is why CL has gifted with the :type option in defstruct. 04:35:05 Even if you do want to represent your data with conses, nice informative names are still useful. 04:35:26 so CL has classes too? how are they different from structs 04:35:48 -!- Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:36:41 sorry for my ignorance, i've been jumping from elisp to scheme to CL back and forth (mostly elisp) 04:36:45 they support redefinition, and the autogenerated accessors are guaranteed to be CLOS methods. 04:37:00 zardoz-: CL has a quite impressive object layer that allows some to do magic. I'm too bad at OOP to use it well, though :) 04:38:08 xyzzy- [xyzzy@178.73.192.214] has joined #lisp 04:38:39 -!- bugQ [~bug@c-71-195-207-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:40:21 -!- pnq [~nick@ACA24714.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:40:23 reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Lisp_Object_System , looks very interesting 04:40:31 -!- abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:46 Hundenn [~Hunden@e180102140.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #lisp 04:49:39 -!- Hunden [~Hunden@e180100068.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:53:00 -!- Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-190-43.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:54:00 -!- Axioplase is now known as Axioplase_ 04:58:30 abeaumont [~abeaumont@90.165.165.246] has joined #lisp 05:00:22 -!- anvandare [~anvandare@78-22-146-205.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:03 -!- gor[e] [~svr@gw2.masterhost.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02:27 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.75.188] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:03:56 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.217.172] has joined #lisp 05:05:48 Salamander_ [~Salamande@ppp118-210-165-206.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net] has joined #lisp 05:08:31 -!- gemelen [~shelta@shpd-92-101-148-150.vologda.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:09:10 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.217.172] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:09:18 spradnyesh [~pradyus@nat/yahoo/x-rydswqytydrptsxr] has joined #lisp 05:11:09 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.79.122] has joined #lisp 05:12:12 gravicappa [~gravicapp@ppp91-77-163-6.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #lisp 05:12:42 tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #lisp 05:15:43 didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has joined #lisp 05:17:23 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.79.122] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:19:52 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:09 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.102.42] has joined #lisp 05:26:28 Bacteria [~Bacteria@115-64-180-132.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 05:29:12 hello, everyone 05:29:20 Hey timi 05:30:20 do everybody make program with commonlisp or schem 05:30:53 cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #lisp 05:36:57 this is a common lisp channel 05:38:07 -!- didi [~user@unaffiliated/didi/x-1022147] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 05:38:22 Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has joined #lisp 05:41:05 realitygrill [~realitygr@184-195-188-80.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #lisp 05:41:43 schaueho [~schaueho@dslb-088-066-061-089.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #lisp 05:46:25 -!- BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.167.102.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:46:57 Daev [~KAPITAL@cpe-174-099-078-028.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #lisp 05:48:00 -!- Deesl [~bsdboy@unaffiliated/deesl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:48:14 BlankVerse [~pankajm@122.178.195.172] has joined #lisp 05:49:39 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 05:58:33 -!- cafesofie [~cafesofie@ool-18b97779.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:58:49 good day 05:59:40 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:45 -!- tcr1 [~tcr@77-58-246-74.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:02:59 hello z0d 06:03:02 hello timi 06:03:47 timi: New here? 06:04:38 yes 06:04:47 I just new here 06:04:53 Are you learning Lisp? 06:04:55 I learn commonlisp 06:05:01 trying to uyse 06:05:04 use 06:05:11 That's good. 06:05:23 but I have some difficult 06:05:27 I donot have good IDE 06:05:45 timi: Most people here recommend Emacs+SLIME. 06:05:46 I donot know how to use emacs and slime(sbcl) 06:05:46 hi beach 06:05:58 yes i know emcas and slime 06:06:05 I donot know how to use 06:06:11 timi: So you have a good IDE but you don't know how to use it. 06:06:16 yes 06:06:20 -!- Bike [~Glossina@adsl-66-122-184-70.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06:20 timi: The fix is simple: learn it! 06:06:35 yes ,no one teach me 06:06:39 faust45 [~faust45@139-159-134-95.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #lisp 06:06:43 no material 06:06:57 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:06:57 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 06:06:57 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 06:07:05 beach: is Climacs development still active? 06:07:10 timi: Emacs comes with a complete manual that is available inside Emacs as info as well. 06:07:24 z0d: Not at the moment, but I recently started thinking about it again. 06:07:40 z0d: In the context of CLIM3. 06:07:56 There's a new CLIM? 06:08:09 No, that is also a project. 06:08:21 I know how to use emacs 06:08:26 z0d: I wanted to remove the dependencies of CLIM II and perhaps create a TTY-based display engine. 06:08:39 and how to wirte code ,but I donot know how to compile my code 06:08:43 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:59 hi 06:09:14 timi: (compile 'name-of-function) or (compile-file "name-of-file") 06:09:24 dnolen [~davidnole@184.152.69.75] has joined #lisp 06:09:48 compile in slime or in emcas shell command 06:10:05 beach: wow. a tty-based engine. seems a bit hard considering CLIM's nice features 06:10:07 In slime, you can use C-c C-k to compile the file. 06:10:21 z0d: One would lose some features, yes. 06:10:31 z0d: But several people seem to want that. 06:10:32 simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #lisp 06:10:32 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@123-243-79-139.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 06:10:32 simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has joined #lisp 06:10:43 C -c? 06:10:49 c -k? 06:11:00 can you give me a example ? 06:11:04 timi: Go through the emacs tutorial, it will explain what that means 06:11:07 just like this is usre> 06:11:09 timi: C-c means "hold the control key and then press the C button" 06:11:09 then 06:11:50 I am chinese ,my English is not very well 06:12:00 I hope someone can teach me directly 06:12:18 then I can write code happiliy 06:13:37 -!- bgs100 [~ian@unaffiliated/bgs100] has quit [Quit: meh!] 06:14:06 -!- simplechat [~simplecha@unaffiliated/simplechat] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]